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2094 - Pop and Bravo with Melissa Reich (Your Bish Therapist) · Pink Shade: Reality TV with Mary Payne

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  Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to Pink Shade. It's Thursday. That means
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  Speaker 1: we're going to talk about pop culture and Bravo in
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  Speaker 1: the news today. I've got my friend. It's Melissa of
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  Speaker 1: your bitch therapist or your bish therapist if you're trying
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  Speaker 1: to be PC. Hey Melissa, Hey Mary Payne, how are you?
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  Speaker 1: Thanks so much for having me back.
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  Speaker 2: Does anybody ever call you mel or missy?
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  Speaker 3: You know, funny story. I grew up in the eighties
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  Speaker 3: on a block with three different Melissas. Uh huh, and
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  Speaker 3: so there we all had to have nicknames. But mine
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  Speaker 3: was Lissy because that's my grandparents used to call me.
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  Speaker 3: It's Lissy. So I was never a Missy or a
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  Speaker 3: mel I was Lissy. But you can call me anything
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  Speaker 3: you want.
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  Speaker 2: Lissie's pretty cute.
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  Speaker 3: Though I loved it. I loved it when they gave
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  Speaker 3: it to me. I still love it to this day.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's cute and unique. And I don't know, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I'm kind of missy. I don't think I'm a missy.
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  Speaker 3: That's not my this's not my vibe.
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  Speaker 2: No, you don't come off across as like a mel
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  Speaker 2: or Melly either.
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  Speaker 1: No, I don't think so I'm always interested in people's names,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm always interested, Like when I was younger, they
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  Speaker 1: called me this, but now it's this. I interviewed a
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  Speaker 1: ninety Day Fiance person that was on the show yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: Her name was Paulina. She's from Brazil, but on the
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  Speaker 1: show they call her Paula. So I was calling her Paula,
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  Speaker 1: and she said, you know, really, I think I didn't
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  Speaker 1: know enough about the show to tell them I prefer
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  Speaker 1: to be called Paulina, but now I'm Paula and Thomas,
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  Speaker 1: but really I'm Paulina, right right, Well you're stuck with
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  Speaker 1: Paula now because it's on every Chiron. We're twelve episodes
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  Speaker 1: in Girl, you know.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, But I do I think that's you know,
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  Speaker 3: when I was a therapist in practice, I mean, really
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  Speaker 3: it seems like a very simple question, but I would
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  Speaker 3: always ask, you know, not just what's your name, but
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  Speaker 3: what do you prefer to be called? Because so many
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  Speaker 3: people will have like a legal name that was given
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  Speaker 3: to them that either for trauma reasons, they just or
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  Speaker 3: they don't like it, and so yeah, that's one of
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  Speaker 3: those things. I think it's a great question, and I'll
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  Speaker 3: tell you A fun fact. So, when I was a kid,
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  Speaker 3: my sister who was four years younger, she was trying
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  Speaker 3: to say Lizzie and it came out ditzy. So to
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  Speaker 3: this day, I am forty five years old and my
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  Speaker 3: entire family call me Dits. That is my nickname. My
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  Speaker 3: nieces and nephew they call me anti ditzy. So I'm
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  Speaker 3: not ditzy in the traditional sense, but that is actually
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  Speaker 3: pretty much what I'm called, so, you know, and seriously,
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  Speaker 3: some of my friends from back in the day, they'll
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  Speaker 3: just be like, hey, Dits, what's up, which is.
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  Speaker 1: So funny because you're so not ditzy, you know.
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  Speaker 3: Right right exactly. But I don't know, I just love it.
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  Speaker 3: I just love when people call me anything, call me whatever.
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  Speaker 1: My friend mom was Diane and they called her Disy,
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  Speaker 1: so it'd be like, Hi, Disy. I always thought that
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  Speaker 1: was I was like, yeah, her mom diesy. I was like,
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  Speaker 1: I thought her name was Diane. But all right, go
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  Speaker 1: with it.
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  Speaker 3: It's funny how those things come about.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, Now, somebody with a nickname is Angie K.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 1: Angie K is a real housewifs of Salt Lake City.
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  Speaker 1: She's in the news there was a rumor and some
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  Speaker 1: nastiness that she and her husband were separated, and.
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  Speaker 2: Then I guess page.
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  Speaker 1: Six perhaps confirmed it. It's been a lot of confirming,
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  Speaker 1: but they haven't said anything unless it came out this morning.
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  Speaker 3: Not that I know of. Yes, you're correct, a lot
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  Speaker 3: of confirming without the two of them confirming, but it
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  Speaker 3: definitely seems like it something's going on, Yes, after I
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  Speaker 3: think twenty seven.
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  Speaker 1: Years, yes, a long time.
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  Speaker 3: Twenty seven years. Yeah, it's a long time.
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  Speaker 1: And of course when we first met them, there were
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  Speaker 1: rumors about him because he's, you know, with her owned
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  Speaker 1: these hair salons and they owned the franchise and you know,
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  Speaker 1: they're very successful, and because he's a male hairdresser, there
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  Speaker 1: were rumors that he was gay. Now, not one person
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  Speaker 1: ever came forward, and you know there are thirst book
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  Speaker 1: gets out there who will take their one thousand dollars
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  Speaker 1: from TMC and spill it. So now one person ever
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  Speaker 1: came forward with any of this, and so obviously it's
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  Speaker 1: not true.
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  Speaker 2: But that was a storyline.
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  Speaker 1: And then they say, now the roomors and the nastiness
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  Speaker 1: is that he was having like an affair with somebody
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  Speaker 1: that worked to one of the salons.
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  Speaker 3: Oh boy. Oh, well, here's the thing. I he was married.
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  Speaker 3: Wasn't he married to one of the Mormon wives or.
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  Speaker 1: Was that somebody else that I'm no, no, no, no, that
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  Speaker 1: was the other Angie. Okay, there's another Angie. Yes, that
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  Speaker 1: had that husband that got super involved in some sort
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  Speaker 1: of like spam account.
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  Speaker 3: Remember, yes, yes, thank you, thank you for clarifying that,
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  Speaker 3: because I was like, wait, is this him? No, you're
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  Speaker 3: totally right. That was the other Angie.
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  Speaker 1: I oh, he was married to one of the Mormon wives.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, that's that's right. That's right. I would hope
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  Speaker 3: that that's not the case, because you know, here's the thing.
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  Speaker 3: I think, Angie she can be, like I call her,
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  Speaker 3: like a sour patch kid. She can be very sweet,
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  Speaker 3: but then she could also like chop your head off
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  Speaker 3: when she's up so with you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm looking to make sure that she hasn't made
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  Speaker 1: a statement just that we haven't seen.
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  Speaker 3: It's a smart idea, because lord knows, it couldn't break
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  Speaker 3: while we're recording. But I assume this is going to
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  Speaker 3: be on the next season of sal La City. I
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  Speaker 3: would assume. Yeah, so we're going to find out eventually.
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  Speaker 3: But of course, we're all like, we want to know now,
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  Speaker 3: but it's just very sad. I mean, I think it's
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  Speaker 3: like twenty seven years. Some people don't have that long
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  Speaker 3: of relationships period. That's not a failure by any means,
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  Speaker 3: but you would just hate for something to end over infidelity.
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  Speaker 1: I would hate that, Franngie. Okay, I want to back
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  Speaker 1: up what I said. Okay, So on Real House Loves
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  Speaker 1: in Salt Lake City, when we saw Angie Harrington, she
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  Speaker 1: had the marriage to the guy who got involved in
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  Speaker 1: like the spam account talking about somebody Ginshaw probably if
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  Speaker 1: I recall, Okay, she Angie Harrington was married to Brett
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  Speaker 1: Brett who is now married to Demi.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you, you solved the mystery.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, yeah, So so Angie's current husband is
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  Speaker 1: who she's married to, the guy that set up the
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  Speaker 1: Ginshaw account, but she was previously married to Brett who's
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  Speaker 1: now married to Demi.
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  Speaker 3: Right, and clearly she I mean she she picked a
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  Speaker 3: gentleman who like a spotlight, I guess is what I'll
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  Speaker 3: say about that.
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  Speaker 1: So that's interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'm very sorry about Angie.
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  Speaker 1: K I don't maybe it'll be uh he had an
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  Speaker 1: infidelity and we're separating, but we're gonna work through it
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  Speaker 1: on the show. Kind of situation. I tell you I
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  Speaker 1: met him at Bravo Kan I'm wearing my.
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  Speaker 2: Bravoconn T shirt twenty twenty two.
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  Speaker 1: In New York Beautiful and New York.
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  Speaker 2: So this.
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  Speaker 1: So then we had twenty twenty three and twenty twenty
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  Speaker 1: five in Vegas, so I believe in twenty twenty three
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  Speaker 1: is where she was doing.
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  Speaker 2: One of those things.
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  Speaker 1: And he was standing to.
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  Speaker 2: The side and I said, oh, you know, your angie
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  Speaker 2: s usband. Can I get a picture? And he and
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  Speaker 2: I don't have it right here. I wish I did.
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  Speaker 2: He whipped out.
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  Speaker 1: One of those ring lights that go on your phone
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  Speaker 1: like it was like sure, Like I handed.
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  Speaker 2: I was going to do the picture, and he was
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  Speaker 2: like slapped.
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  Speaker 1: It on my phone. I was like, okay, okay, you know.
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  Speaker 3: Listen, I appreciate a person who appreciates good lighting.
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  Speaker 1: He was prepared.
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  Speaker 3: That's that is that is being prepared. Uh, that's wild.
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  Speaker 1: He wasn't gonna let me take the picture without the
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  Speaker 1: proper lighting, let me tell you that much. He was
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  Speaker 1: perfectly nice. And then we saw them in the airport
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  Speaker 1: when we were leaving Vegas.
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  Speaker 2: Of course they were going to Salt like we were
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  Speaker 2: going to d C.
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  Speaker 1: Ended up riding in the little tram you know, between
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  Speaker 1: terminals with Heather, chatting with her. Very nice.
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  Speaker 2: But before that, we were walking through.
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  Speaker 1: And talking to Angie and her husband, and this was
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  Speaker 1: the room they that was just their first season. They
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  Speaker 1: had just had their first season, and uh so I
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  Speaker 1: was just talking to Heather like she likes the Grateful Dead,
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  Speaker 1: and so do I, and I said we were the
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  Speaker 1: We were the people that were giving out the This
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  Speaker 1: is all Kisha does is make fun of me because
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  Speaker 1: I can look around my desk and find anything.
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  Speaker 2: We had.
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  Speaker 1: We had Pokacha, we have poker chips with our logo
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  Speaker 1: and the QR code that people could subscribe and everything
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  Speaker 1: on the QR code. So I said, we were the
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  Speaker 1: ones that get I said, we were the ones that
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  Speaker 1: gave you the poker chips. He pulled it out of
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  Speaker 1: his pocket and he goes, yeah, I didn't want to
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  Speaker 1: throw this away for all the stuff that we got,
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  Speaker 1: because it's like so heavy and so nice. I was like,
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  Speaker 1: marketing works, Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Mary Payne, you not only can pull anything from your
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  Speaker 3: desk and at youment of time.
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  Speaker 1: But you leave I can't find a poker chip right now.
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  Speaker 1: I know, I'm shocked.
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  Speaker 3: Also, I'm shocked. But you also do have like the
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  Speaker 3: best marketing stuff. I mean you really the way that
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  Speaker 3: your brain works. With that, I'm like, I wish I
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  Speaker 3: had one tenth of that because it's, yeah, the way
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  Speaker 3: your brain works. I just love it. And you have interesting,
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  Speaker 3: cool marketing things.
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  Speaker 1: So well follow me Instagram because I mean, I'm out
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  Speaker 1: here hoard myself for every follower I could get, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm still not even probably half of what you've got.
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  Speaker 3: Let me tell you, Mary Payne, it's not all it's
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  Speaker 3: the more my account grows, the more yelling into the
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  Speaker 3: void there is. And I'm telling you. The other day,
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna be honest. I posted something about Riley Burris
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  Speaker 3: and I got so trolled that I was like, I
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  Speaker 3: might just delete my account.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let's let's let's switch to do because I don't
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  Speaker 1: you know, I don't fuck with the gen x. I
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  Speaker 1: don't fuck within the city. It's a young person's game
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  Speaker 1: and I'm too old for it. But I did see
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  Speaker 1: a lot because I'm going to follow all the news, right,
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  Speaker 1: so I did see that a lot of people were
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  Speaker 1: saying on the last episode that Riley had really bad behaviors,
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  Speaker 1: seemed drunk, it was being mean to people. So what
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  Speaker 1: happened and what was your diagnosis of the situation that
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  Speaker 1: you got called for?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, I'll I'll tell you what happened and what I
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  Speaker 3: got drolled for. So Riley, and by the way, I'm
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  Speaker 3: not young. I'm forty five, so it's never too late,
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  Speaker 3: by the way, but I wear younger the oh boy,
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  Speaker 3: well I feel elderly. But okay, you're right. So then
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  Speaker 3: Riley and there's a girl named Georgia. Riley was very intoxicated.
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  Speaker 3: She really was very intoxicated, and she was being belligerent.
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna be honest. Her behavior was atrocious. She was
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  Speaker 3: yelling at Georgia, she was being nasty to her. She
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  Speaker 3: picked up a glass, like a glass glass and went
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  Speaker 3: like this to chuck it at her, and someone.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good Housewives.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. It was so bad, and you know,
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  Speaker 3: it's interesting in the scene. So there's Gia Judae yeah,
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  Speaker 3: and then Arianna Beerman and they both kind of whispered
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  Speaker 3: in her ear and they're like, this is gonna be
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  Speaker 3: a problem for you, so we need to step away.
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  Speaker 3: Like they were trying to produce, and it was not
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  Speaker 3: working because Riley was just like it seemed like she
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  Speaker 3: was kind of blacked out, out of control. But then
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  Speaker 3: she made this nasty comment about how like Georgia couldn't
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  Speaker 3: even afford a burkein, and it was just like it
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  Speaker 3: was gross. It was bad. It was really it was
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  Speaker 3: really icky. I'm gonna say that, okay, But what I got,
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  Speaker 3: by the.
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  Speaker 1: Way, that's not really a slam because like less than
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  Speaker 1: one of the one percent of people in the world
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  Speaker 1: can afford a Borken, and of that one of the
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  Speaker 1: one percents, a lot of people don't even want one.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I hear from the people who have one that
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  Speaker 3: they're heavy and they're hard to carry and they're very inconvenient,
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  Speaker 3: but you know.
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  Speaker 2: It's just status.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, But to.
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  Speaker 1: Say that to like a twenty something year old and
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  Speaker 1: a dive bar in New York seems odd.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it was odd, and it was. It was a
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  Speaker 3: very entitled kind of yes, bratty moment, Brady moment where
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  Speaker 3: it was like, well, you can't afford a burken either,
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  Speaker 3: your mom can, but like I don't think you can yet, honey, bunny,
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  Speaker 3: you know.
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  Speaker 1: Let's take a step back here.
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  Speaker 3: But okay, So this was my take and I still
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  Speaker 3: stand by it, is that at this time Candy and
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  Speaker 3: Todd were in the middle of a contentious divorce. Something happened.
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  Speaker 3: They made the announcement the family was disintegrating. And my
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  Speaker 3: take is that number one, Riley's twenty three years old.
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  Speaker 3: Our prefrontal core taxes are not fully formed until research
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  Speaker 3: shows twenty five, but some research shows with people who
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  Speaker 3: are neurodiversent, that number could be closer to thirty two.
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  Speaker 3: And why to know, I know why and why that matters.
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  Speaker 1: Thinking of my kids at my house, I'm like, oh shit.
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  Speaker 3: Oh Mary payn rip you have a lot more parents.
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  Speaker 3: There's a lot more ahead of you. I'm sorry, I'm
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  Speaker 3: very sorry to tell you that. Okay, but the prefrontal
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  Speaker 3: core texes control things like impulse, emotion, regulation, decision making, right,
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  Speaker 3: And so my point was, let's have some empathy and say,
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  Speaker 3: who of us has not been an asshole? Either a
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  Speaker 3: drunken hasshole or just a twenty year old, young, immature asshole.
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 3: Did she fuck up?
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  Speaker 1: For sure?
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  Speaker 3: Did she make mistakes? Absolutely? Was it? Okay?
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  Speaker 1: No, it wasn't.
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  Speaker 3: But my point was, let's have some empathy and understanding
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  Speaker 3: for the fact that she's still a young adult, and
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  Speaker 3: developmentally speaking, young adults are different from adults, and sometimes
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  Speaker 3: adults miss that nuance. Well, guess what. All the adults
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: missed the nuance of my post and they roasted me
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: in the comments. It's like, sometimes having empathy and understanding
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: people don't want that. People want to say, well, she's
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: a brat, That's what people kept saying. And it's like,
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: would you like to be characterized by your worst moment
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: in your twenties? Would you? I refuse to slap this
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: person with like a painted brush if she's a brat
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: because she made a mistake. Now, if she's pulling a
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: Danny Buco and continues this over and over and over again,
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: well that's a different story. So that was essentially my take,
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: and people were real mad.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: I think that's a great take, and I think, you know,
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: I see a lot of funny posts about like, you know,
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: when me, let's speak for myself. When I was in
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: my late teens and twenties, I was literally at at
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: a keg party in a field, and my parents didn't
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: know where I was and didn't care, and as long
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: as I just came home, they would check and make
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: sure I was there. You know, Now we track everything,
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: and everything's different and the world is so different. So no,
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: I would definitely not want to be defined by one
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: of my many, many terrible moments that I had as
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: a twenty three year old, you know, and by then
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: graduated from college and had a job, still acted like
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: an asshole. I'm sure.
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: Oh, I feel like most of us our twenties were
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: just like it's like one big pharaoh mental breakdown your
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: twenties to your thirties, and I just think understanding development
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: but also just being an empathetic person, I just don't
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: when I get frustrated about Bravo fans and especially women.
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: They're so judgmental and harsh, but it's like their own stuff, right,
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: So if someone's doing that to Riley, chances are they're
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: probably going to be really judgmental to self another's period.
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: So it's like, I understand where it comes from. But
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: you know, also what I appreciated about the scene is
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: that Candy. They showed Riley facetiming with Candy and Candy
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: was not having it. Candy asked her what was going
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: on she said she gave Riley gave this BS answer,
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: and Candy was like, I don't want to hear any
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: politically correct bullshit. You tell me what's going on right now,
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: and we're going to talk about this. And so again
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: I think it's like her, the people in her life
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: that are important to her are holding her accountable. It's
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: not the Bravo audience his job to hold Riley accountable.
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: And I'm not like I people, I joke people want
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: me to be like doctor Phil, where I'm like, you know,
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: you yuriin, you uck, you really need to go to
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: treat you know, just like such a miserable asshole. It's
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: like I don't that's not who I am. I'm never
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: going to rape on a child who's like, can we
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: give her a bread?
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: People want you to be like doctor Phil Yeah, I'd
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: be like you know you, you know, he was so
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: harsh and mean sometimes to like his teenage guests.
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: It's like, I'm that's not me, that's not me.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: Sorry, Oh god, that's funny. Oh that's funny. Well okay,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: so another U Bravo. A person in the news is
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: Milania uh Judais, not Trump and Milania Judais. I've I
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: had a spanning on last week and he did the
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: funniest impression where he like rolled his chair halfway out
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: of the frame and was like, and he goes, that's
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: what she was doing.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: He goes, why was she so.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: Far away from the camera sitting behind her lawyer, like
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: like a little troll. And she's just like, okay, so
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: you know she hit someone in the house with the
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: initials elle R. Now, you and I were talking before
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: and you were saying el R could also be Louie's
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: son l R.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: Louis Junior.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: Now let's clarify he has two sons. Louis Junior is
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: the older one who I don't think lives there. I
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: do think the younger one who has autism lives there
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: a lot of the time, so she could have gotten
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: mad and hit her stepbrother m because she and Louie
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: are out there posting every day together, just hold in
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: the hands, dancing through the fields. They're best friends, best.
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: Friend who's posting that.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: Milania and Louie are constantly now posting things together, like
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: she's doing tiktoks, like where she's talking and he's behind her,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: like eating a sandwich, like they are just bessies. She
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: the arrest, Yes, she posted after the arrest and yeah, okay.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: So my interpretation of that is that's damage control. And
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: that's because Teresa also posted something with Milania, and I
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: just think, yeah, I think it's damage control. And I
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: think that's a shame because the one thing that Milania
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: posted was like it said I read it on my
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: podcast last week, but it said something like a lot
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: of things have happened to me and you all have
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: no idea. And I think that that's really important to
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: remember is that we've watched these people on TV, but
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: we don't really know their life. We don't know we've
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: seen some of her trauma, like when her mom had
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: to go to jail, and then her dad went to
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: jail and then never came back. I mean, we've watched
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: enough trauma for her to have issues, and then it's
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: like you add in the components of what we haven't seen.
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: I just have a lot of empathy for all these
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: children of these Bravo folks. You know, it's like they
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: didn't necessarily ask to be put on TV, and it's
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: a tough situation.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: So she's only twenty to speaking of it, speaking of preferental.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: Cortexas yeah, yeah, I mean also I could tell that
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: when Milania, like in the early days, when Joe and
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: Teresa were going to jail, I could tell that Milania
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: was just probably going to be the most impacted because
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: she was so close to Joe. She was old enough,
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: like the younger too Audreanna and Gabriella. When you're young,
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: it just like protects you naturally from some of that
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: stuff because you just don't understand it. But I think
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: Milania really had the toughest time. Gia had to be
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: like the eldest daughter and keep all of it together, which,
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: by the way, what's so fascinating about next Gen and
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: what I love is Gia is a completely different person
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: than her mom, and she even said on Next Gen,
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: she goes, you know, I've seen my mom flip tables.
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: My family can be very aggressive, she goes, But in
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: my friendships, I don't want that. And so in her
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: friendships because of her trauma, she's the mother. Hen, she's
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: the mother. Hen that says Riley, You're gonna look bad.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: Don't do this. Have some water, you know. So she
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: almost flipped the script because of her family scenario. So
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: I do think it's interesting to see how each one
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: of her beautiful daughters manages each of these situations, because
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: all kids are going to handle it different. In Lee
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: and I just think Malania is having a tough time.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: There's also some weird post that Louis did where he's,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: you know, just always just always self filming, just always
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: with the camera just right on him with his red face,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: and he's like, you know what, she got home from work?
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: You know why I do it because of this, and
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: he swings around and behind him, sitting at the kitchen
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: island is Teresa Gia and her fiance m h and
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: they it literally looks like a hostage video. It looks
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: like and then because they all go, can we like
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: how weird in the kitchen and be like, I'm having
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: a conversation with my wife, her daughter and the fiance,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, I think I'm just gonna
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: wip the phone out and show everybody, this is what
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: I do it for.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: Like what?
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: And also, if you're doing it for your family, you
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: probably don't need to tell the world that you're doing
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: it for your family. If that's really why you're doing it,
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: you know, to call that out kind of like that's
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: the opposite. I don't record myself pretty much doing anything
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: because it doesn't feel authentic to me other than podcasting. Yeah, yeah,
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: I think Louis is just like he He and Brian from
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: Pontorelli from Real House. He's a Rhode Island. They are
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: cut from a very similar cloth, I feel.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: Oh Brian Rule's husband.
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: Yes, okay, yeah.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: I had to take a minute on that.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: Something else came out about him recently that he he
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: had a marriage before and he did a similar thing,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: or he had a mistress before.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: Or what was that about?
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: Can you remember?
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: Okay? Yeah, so the question was was Rula the mistress?
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: So he was married and this came out at the reunion.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: Brian was married before he The allegation was that he
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: met Rula left his wife, but then the divorce didn't
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: take place until like eight years later, so then they
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: were calling into question was he were the marriage between
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: he and Rula? Is it legal because of the timing
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: of that, And I just think.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: She would not She would not say the date of
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: her wedding.
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: She wouldn't, which I find really like for all the
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: things to not be willing to come out with, that's
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: that seems really like a huge red flag to me.
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: You can't just say the date that you got married.
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: I mean that should be ingrained in your brain. But
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: she didn't want to.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: She has she had GAT documents. She had GAT documents.
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, exactly.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: And that's why I like Joellen because she was reading
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: court documents because she's like, I've got nothing but time.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: But then.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: Joellen was my favorite.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: But then we got all sorts of like bad stuff
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: about really gross tweets and things that she was liking,
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: you know, against immigrants, against gay, trample, against trans people,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: really vile stuff.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: She's like, I posted it, Yeah.
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: Oh I pos so, because okay, this is the story
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: on this. I saw those screenshots and I have someone
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: personally that went to the account that she was like liking,
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: which it's Donald Trump Junior, by the way, that's what
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: we're talking about here. So Joellen was liking a ton
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: of transphobic, homophobic, really just ugly things. Rula was as well,
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: and I posted it actually to my Instagram if you
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: want to see. I took screenshots of it and I
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: posted it because to me, it was so egregious that
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: it's like I stood up for Joellen in terms of
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: like her trauma, and I always like to give people
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: the benefit of the doubt, but hate doesn't deserve empathy.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: And the fact that I posted about this, a lot
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: of other content creators posted about it. She went into
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: some content or creators dms. Guess whose dms she didn't hit?
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: That's right mine, because I'm not able to be manipulated.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: So what did she say to these content creators? Because
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen any kind of public apology or statement
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: from her saying I looked back on this and I
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: she she can't even do theg gressen ROSSI of, like,
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: I have a social media manager. I didn't know she
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: could just go and say I liked all these things.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: I was misinformed and I've educated myself and I'm sorry.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: That's all she can say. But she hasn't done that
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: to my knowledge.
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: No, she definitely has not done that, because if she
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: did it, I would have known about it. And one
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: of the accounts that I could tell you that she
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: did this too, it's account called Mister Housewives. Both Joe
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: Ellen and Rosie got into his well I don't know
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: who runs the account, but got into those dms and
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: then basically encouraged that person to take those posts.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Down, which they did they did.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: So Yeah, So what I'm saying is I think that
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: there's no apology, there's no acknowledgment. They just want to
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: clean this up and make sure it goes away. But
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: I've heard that it is going to be a storyline
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: on season two of Real House Was of Rhode Island,
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: and it will be addressed in some way, shape or form.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: Because for me, I am done with Joellen. If that's
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: really where she stands, I kin have empathy for anyone
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: in terms of like, these these things that she was
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: liking were from twenty twenty three, so it's twenty twenty six.
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: That's not that long ago, but it's not yesterday either.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: So if you were to acknowledge it and say, you know,
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: I've made mistakes, I've learned, I've grown, I can hold
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: space for anything like that. But to just ignore it
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: and try to encourage people to just to delete their posts,
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: that smells of guilt to me.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's guilt.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: She did it, but it's just a matter of you
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: would think that right away there would be some sort
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: of I'm just you know, really regret that i made
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: these things. Maybe because they're currently filming, they were like,
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: don't say anything, you know, say it on camera, save it,
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: save it for the trailers, to make people watch it.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: You know, that's also very true, the power of editing
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: and filming a show. You just never know. But I'm
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: going to need her to say some stuff because it
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: was very egregious.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: Seems like I was like, oh, well, when somebody could
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: come to her and say, you know, I have a
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: gay brother or I have a you know, transgender person
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: in my life, you know, somebody could come to her
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: and explain from their point of view why this would
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: be hurtful. To maybe have a teaching moment. That's what
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: you hope for. But we don't always get teachable moments
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: on our housewives.
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: So that's right.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: I really am not sure what I need to shut
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: up because none of that's going to happen.
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: Okay, no, but I like where you're going. I like
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: where you're going because there should be but you're right,
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: there won't be so good call.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean I think a lot of times, you
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: know people that are you know, anti anti gay, anti
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: you know, gay rights, gay marriage, all these things, maybe
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: they have really never met a person in their life
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: that is a gay person. Because if you have one friend,
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: one coworker that you know that is a gay person,
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: and you go, okay, well that doesn't change my opinion
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: of them. There's still my work friend, there's still my buddy,
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: there's still my friend's brother sister. Then you do start
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: to shift your opinion because you're like, wow, okay, that
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: is a person of a normal, whole life who's just
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: like me, So why shouldn't they have the same rights
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: as me. You know that when you have somebody in
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: your life, your opinion can shift and you can see.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: You can have more empathy and understanding. I suppose when
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: you when it's closer to you. But yeah, it's butt
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: Like I mean, homophobia is like there, it can be
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: a real phobia. And so for some people it's they're taught,
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: like hate and bigotry is taught, you know, it's passed
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: down through generations. You're not born not liking people who
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: have more melanin in their skin or you know, have
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: a different orientation. And so I think that's the pervasive issue,
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: is that the people who are teaching us things. But like,
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: you know, for me, for example, growing up, I grew
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: up with a very hateful father, and I remember being
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: little and being like that ain't right, you know, but like,
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: not everybody has that ability. I remember being like a
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: little kid being like this man ain't right. But I
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: think that I just was like born this way. I
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: just like came out of the room with like two
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: middle fingers. So I think that for some people it's
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: just innately understood, and for others they have to have
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: more of a personal experience. I personally don't understand what
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: upsets people and makes them care so much. It doesn't
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: impact them at all. But I could go on about
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: that for a millennium.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: Well, I can remember one time my husband saying to
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: me when we were first dating something that you know,
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: this was in ninety nine or two thousands, a long
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: time ago, and something was said somebody about gay marriage
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: or something, and he goes, I don't understand why anybody
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: would care about gay marriage. If you're not gay, why
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: do you care who gets married? Like nobody's going to
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: force you to marry a gay person. He's like, Hey,
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: I don't understand why other people have opinions about gay marriage.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: It don't get gay married, Like it doesn't affect you.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: Like I remember thinking like, all right, this is my man.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: This is a man, forward thinking.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: You know, Like I was like, it's like that's a
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: great point.
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I love us a smart tolerant man. That's right.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: He's like, he's like, I just don't even understand why
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: anybody would care about why other people who they marry,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, okay, let's let's move on to another
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: topic that is in our news, which is Gina Koh
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: has come out she has a tongue cancer that this
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: spread to the olympos and I'm not sure what the
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: cancer diagnosis is now, but she has a cancer diagnosis now.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: She of course is one of our original OC housewives
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: and uh, you know well beloved and kind.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: Of has popped in through the decades or whatever.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: People are a little upset that she started a gofund
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: me because she is has a wealthy family and her
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: children are doing just fine. So people are sort of
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: upset that somebody who has the means is out there
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: asking for money for help. I kind of didn't think
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: about it. I'm not going to donate to it, so
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: it didn't occur to me that people would be upset
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: about it. But I have seen people are like, it's
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: kind of gross that they're out here going on vacations
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: to Tahiti and now asking for money for her health
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: care bills.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: Now, we do know that healthcare.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: You more than anybody know that healthcare in this country
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: is extremely expensive, and she's doing cancer treatments that perhaps
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: whatever insurance she has is not going to cover. But
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: people are like, well, then her kids should be helping her.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: Why are they putting out of gofund me. And I'm like, well, also,
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: like why do you care? Just like donate to it
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: or don't you know?
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: Well, right, just like what we said, It's like, if
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: you don't want to donate, that's fine. But one thing
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: I can explain, so you are aware of this. But
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: I'm a two time cancer survivor. So when I was seventeen,
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: I had ovarian cancer that I wasn't supposed to survive, chemotherapy,
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: multiple surgeries, blah blah blah, the whole thing. Now I'm
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: living with a chronic cancer called chronic emphasisic leukemia, and
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: I'm actually I was just telling you before that I
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: have to start another infusion. So I'm on immunotherapy and
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: I'm going to be on another immunotherapy. And so the
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: reason why I share all this is that I call
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: myself a professional patient, and what that means is I
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: understand the healthcare system in ways that are horrifying but realistic.
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: And what people don't want to understand or believe is
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: that being a cancer patient in this country can bankrupt you.
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: It shouldn't, there's no reason why it should have to,
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: but it does because especially for types of cancers like
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: I don't know specifically. What I can tell you is
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: with a tong cancer, if it's in the lymphoes, that
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: means that it's moved to other places in the body.
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: That means it's definitely past stage one. It's more advanced.
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: And when you have a cancer that's not your norm,
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: or a little bit tougher to treat, a little bit
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: more aggressive. You have to act quickly, and you have
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: to do things that are dramatic, and sometimes that comes
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: with a very hefty price tag. People can work their
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: whole lives, have millions of dollars, work, work, work, do
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: the right thing, and still become bankrupted by medical bills
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: and treatment. So I guess, on the one hand, I
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: just want to advocate for folks who don't understand that
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: even you could be rich, you could be a multimillionaire,
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: and you get one diagnosis that let's say you need
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: something your insurance won't cover it, Well, do you die
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: or do you go into debt to pay for what
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: you need? And these are really seriously hard decisions that
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: people are having to make. So I just think people
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: don't understand. But also like, yeah, like you said, if
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: you don't want to donate, you think it's silly, that's fine,
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: but let her live and do her thing. I think
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: because I get it, you know, I get it.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I just thought it was interesting that it was
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: such a hot topic because it just didn't when it
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: came across I was like oh wow, Like, I'm sorry
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: for her. Now, I will tell you something interesting in
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: my in my ninety day world, there's a couple Kenny
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: and Armando, and they've been married like seven years, and
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: so Armando years ago over state of Visa in this
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: in the state, so he's never been able to come
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: to the ninety States since they've been married.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: So they live in Mexico.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: They live like right over the border, like right in
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: like the Baja Mexico California border area. And Kenny runs
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: I mean sorry, Armando runs like a doggy grooming daycare company,
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: and you know, Kenny works there with him, and Armando
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: has a daughter from his first marriage, Hannah. Well, like
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: I said, they've been together at least ten years at
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: this point, because they've been married like seven and they've
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: been on thirty shows, and they are just a staple
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: in the.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: Oh, I'm familiar. Yeah, that's how I'm familiar with them,
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: because if they're like a staple in that world, I've
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: definitely watched some. I think they're wonderful people. They're just
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: they're wonderful humans.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and they had to you know, they were getting
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: gay married in Mexico and they had to like go
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: to another.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: Jurisdiction to even get it approved. And we followed all that.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: It was very you know, it's a very interesting story
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: and how they found each other on like a Facebook
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: group for gay dads, and you know, it's just and
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: there's a big there is a big age difference there.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: Kenny's in his sixties and Armando is in his thirties.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: But they've been together all this time. So Armando, we've
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: been following his journey trying to get a visa, a
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: spousal visa to go over to the States because Kenny,
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: you know, can he's got grandchildren now and wants to
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: be in the state some more, just to be.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: Able to freely go back and forth.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: And he's denied again, and they said something about the
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: age difference. Of course, they're like, we've been on TV
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: together for ten years, we've been married for seven, Like
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: it's not you know. So his daughter Hannah got very
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: sick and he said he was looking. She called him
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: and said, I don't feel well, and he went over
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: to where she was. They were in Mexico, and you
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: see all her whole side of her face is drooping.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: She's like fourteen years old.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: Oh my God, and her speech was slurred and so
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: he immediately they immediately called an ambulance and the hospital
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: there where they were immediately airlifted her to Phoenix, Arizona.
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: So his mother, her grandmother.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: Was able to go with her because she has you know,
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: a passport or whatever, it could go. But because Armando,
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: the dad, the biological dad, Kenny's also the dad has
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: been denied several times now, so he couldn't go. Meanwhile,
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: Kenny was in Florida or somewhere visiting his family. He
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: was already in the state, so he was able to
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: get to Hannah. So Hannah had her mom, I mean,
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: Hannah had her grandmom and Kenny her other dad there,
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: but Armando could not get there and she doesn't have
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: a momm The mother died.
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: So my heart.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: So they literally got you know, people were calling and
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: they were trying to get like an emergency visa for
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: him to be able to go over, and it finally worked.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: Mark Kelly, who is either from Arizona maybe Arizona maybe congressman. Anyway,
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: Mark Kelly came through and another congresswoman came through got
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: him this visa. But then they just posted all the
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: update about it about she's gonna have to stay in
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: Phoenix for a while because they're trying to figure out
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: why she had a brain bleed. She had a brain
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: bleed and they're trying to figure out why, like, oh,
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: how did it happen? So she has to stay in Phoenix.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: But Armando's visa runs out on Sunday, so he'll have
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: to leave her again, right.
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: But also what you're talking about, this is what people
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: don't realize about medical issues. When you have a loved
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: one in the hospital and they're in there for months,
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: you don't you have to pay for housing for you know,
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: for yourself, for food, for to take care of yourself
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: and this other person while they're in the situation. There's
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: so much that an insurance will not cover. But those
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: are just like added expenses. But my god, that is
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: so sad.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: So they set up a gofund me, and of course
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: immediately they didn't set it up, their friends set it
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: up for them, and immediately it was just through the
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: roof with donations.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: Because they are so like beloved.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: And on TV and kind of currently always around their
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: own occurrencies in ninety day diaries right now, going through
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: this visa process with Armando, and they put out like
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: a three part video where they're both just like sobbing,
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: like thanking the people that gave them money because now
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: they're going to be trying to fight this visa things.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: Armando doesn't have to go back to let him stay
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: medically with his daughter. And then also this astronomical medical
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: bills are going to be paying.
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: Oh asked when it's brainstuff. And this is what people
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: do not understand. Here's my message to people listening. If
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: people are more mad that people have to do gofundmes,
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: then you are at the government for requiring that that
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: healthcare is so inaccessible, it's so expensive to regular joes
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: that that's what we should be mad at. We should
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: be mad at the gofund means. We should be mad
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: that this is the system that we're living in, because
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: that's disgusting.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because people are like, oh, well they're on TV.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: I'm like, they're not on They're not the Lee's on
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: the Walking Dead, do you know what I mean? Like,
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: they're not in Game of Thrones. They're not.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: They don't they are on a you know.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: My joke always is like everybody wants that sweet, sweet
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: Matt Sharp money because Matt Sharp, but they make nothing
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: and even though they've been on all these years, they're
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: not I mean they're making a few thousand dollars per season.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: I mean Armado fully has a business and Kenny helps them,
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: and you know they most most of the ninety to
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: eight people have regular, full time jobs. They're not like
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: housewives or like my job is to be a reality
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: TV star. So in that case, I posted it, and
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, if any if you if you
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: can donate, if you can't, don't.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: Feel bad about it. So it's very it's very interesting.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: The the dichotomy between how people feel about donating to
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: Gina Kio versus these two guys, because it's verse faived
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: that she has so much money and it's perceived that
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: they probably don't have the money to pay for it.
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: You know, that's right, And so to your point, it's
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: all about perception and the general public because of parasocial relationships.
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: We humans, we tend to think that we know way
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: more about people than we do. People could be on
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: The Walking Dead, they could be making a ton of money.
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: We don't know how much they have, what they do
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: with it, how they manage it. And then you add
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: to that the fact that healthcare is just it's it's
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: a broken, disgusting system. I mean I could easily, Like
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: what scares me the most is I know that at
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: any point if my stuff gets out of control and
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: to try to save my life, I mean, I could
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: easily bankrupt my own family. And we've done everything right,
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: you know, and so but I think that's it's interesting
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: that our perception is reality because if you don't have
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: a problem with like certain people doing it, but then
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: you do have a problem with certain people doing it,
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: it's like we should just be more mad that this
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: is the system.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: But yeah, that's exactly that's Yeah, it's very interesting and
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: sort of the whole like people talking about how hot
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: the Luigi Mantiuni, like, well he's so hot, I'm like,
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: he still killed somebody. Yeah, you know, like I can't say, like, Okay,
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: the healthcare system is great, but let's don't go around
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: murdering people. I don't really think that.
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no, no, let me be clear, that's
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: not the answer. I like, and I get it because
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: the you know, the person from United Healthcare, which by
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: the way, they still suck. You know, it's like their
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: CEOs want to have beach houses, and then people are
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: getting denied anti nausea medication for chemotherapy. That's what we're
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: talking about here. We're talking about people being denied that.
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: But the system needs to change, right, we need to
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: advocate for the system to be changed. Isn't going to
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: do anything other than sensationalize it and then have nothing changed,
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: which is exactly what's happened. So yeah, I you know,
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: I get the anger and I get the frustration, but
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: we are responsible for our behaviors and our actions, and
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: that is I understand it. There have been times where
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: I've been unhinged and walked out of a doctor's appointment
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: yelling like a maniac. Yeah, I've been unhinged, But you
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: gotta you gotta manage your shit, you know.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, I tell you speaking to people that
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: may be unhinged, I mean, we're so many, so many
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: people that are unhinged. But Taylor Frankie Paul as a
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: from a therapist standpoint, if you were her therapist.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: What would you tell her? Should she? Should?
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: She?
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: Her job is to be a social media person. That's
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: her job. That was her job before.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: Even Mormon wives. That's how she had. That was how
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: she started her career. So that's what she knows. And
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: she feels the need to dispute recent single, tiny little thing,
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: whether it's in court or perceived or this and that
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: and the other. And a lot of people are like,
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: she should just completely go away for like six months
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: work on herself, and I'm like, but her job is
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: to be in social media, right, So what's your thought
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: on that as a therapist?
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: Oy? I actually just talked about this because I had
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: Caitlin Marshall on my podcast that came out yesterday. If
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: you want to listen to that, it's up now at
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: your Bish Therapist podcast. We talked about this because Caitlin
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: is in that TikTok world. She's connected to like the
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: Mormon Wives crew and things like that. And so I
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: believe that Taylor and Dakota were both abusive to each other. Yeah,
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: And I believe that they both participated in a really toxic,
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: unhealthy relationship that for me gives me flavors of like
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: a love addiction. When you see people who go into recovery.
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: So Dakota said that he's sober. If you go into
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: recovery and you don't do the work, it's going to
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: come out sideways, and so I think that their drug
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: of choice is each other. And I think that for
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: like Taylor, she will repeat relational patterns that she's not
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: willing to address. So I guess as if I were
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: her therapist, I would ask her to kind of like,
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: what do you think your role in all of this
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: is right? Because I understand that sometimes trauma happens to us.
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: We can't change it, we can't help it, but trauma
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: may not be our responsibility, like we didn't cause it,
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: but it's our responsibility to fix if that makes sense, right,
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: especially for the next generation of our family and things
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: like that. So for Taylor, my concern with her, she's
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: always pointing the finger at other people. So Taylor seems
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: to have these chronic relational issues, which essentially means that like,
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: it's not that she just happens upon these people who
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: are treating her poorly, she's choosing people. And I think
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: that's tough for trauma survivors, including myself. Right, I have
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: picked people to be in my life based on what
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: I thought and felt about myself, and I ended up
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: picking people who were emotionally neglectful and it wasn't like
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: I'm a bad person making those decisions. It was like
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: when we let trauma lit us. Sometimes we pick people
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: who mirror our wounds in ways that are just really
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: not good, you know. And so I think that for
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: her it would serve her to say, Okay, let's put
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: down the finger pointing and the blaming and the this
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: and the that, and let's look at for you, what
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: do you need to do different to get yourself healthier
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: and like number one, and then to be with someone
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: healthier number two. People have this big belief that like
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: you can't like you have to deal with your own
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: ship before you can date someone, And if that was
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: the case, all of us would be single forever because
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: like when have you, Like, no one's ever fully healed.
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: It's not like a achievement. You ring the bell and
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: you're done. So yeah, right, I think it's one of
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: those things. It's like, she does need to do better,
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: make better decisions for herself and for her family, and
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: she won't be able to do that if she continues
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: to just look at all the way she's been aggrieved
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: and not her own piece, if that makes sense.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so rough because there's you know, kids there,
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: and you just like, you just you just want her
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: to be better.
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: And I don't know why.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know what it is about her that make
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: you know, that makes us just like and then you know,
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: and then she's got all the other mom talk. People
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: go on and talk shit about her, and then she
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: talks about them, and then it's like are they Yes,
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: at one point they really were friends, and now you've
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: got the fame, and I don't know, like, if she
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: put out a GoFundMe, would people donate?
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: You know, Oh my god, that's a great question. I'm
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: sure that they would, because that's the thing she's now.
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: What I worry about with her fans is like the
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: toxic fandom that will just be an echo chamber of
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: your right, Taylor, you're the queen. Yeah, can do no wrong.
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: That doesn't serve us, That doesn't serve us at all.
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: Taylor does need to do better for her and her kids,
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: and I hope that she's able to. And now in
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: terms of like going offline, I just don't know. I
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: think that could be healthy for her because at the
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: same hand, could she have some sort of like internet
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: use issue. So they're in the DSM, there are now
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: kind of diagnoses around technology, because technology, internet, social media,
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: that can be as addictive as literally a drug.
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: As anything else.
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, as we know. I mean, you know, obviously,
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: like I can't amait having her number of followers. But
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: it's like when you have millions of people in an
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: echo chamber telling you that you're fabulous. Well, sometimes that
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: can inflate your ego and your sense of like victimhood,
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: and that's just not going to serve her either. So
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: while I think it would be good for her to
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: walk away, does that seem realistic? Probably not. And also
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: she's got to make money. I mean, she does have
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: to support her family, and so you know, I do
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: understand that. But either way, I don't care what she does.
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: She's just got to do something different.
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, God bless.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: Okay, let me see if there's anything else I want
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: to chat with you about. We have to quickly chat
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: about The Valley because I'm obsessed, and I know I'm
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: like one of the only people in the world.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: I think it's a great show.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: I'm very concerned it's gonna get canceled because I really
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: like it, and.
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: You should be at this point. You should be concerned
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: because it's I mean, it's bad. It's bad, very bad.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: Do you think it's bad because it's so dark?
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: Yes, well I was so. You were on my podcast
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: a couple of weeks ago and you had kind of
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: have turned my page about maybe it's not as dark
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: as I think. And then we had the most recent
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: episode where everyone was questioning Janet and I was just like, Yeah,
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: it took the wind right out of my sails. It
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: felt so dark and gross and inappropriate that I was
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: just like, Oh, this is bad. It's bad.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: Well, I think let me tell you what if this
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: show is canceled, Lacey's out of here. She's like, She's like,
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: I'm only yeah, I'm only only with you to be
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: on this show.
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let me shoot again.
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: For the Real Housewives of OC, the reason I think
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: it is so good is because they, especially with like
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: Kristin and Luke, they do sort of come to a
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: conflict resolution with her trying to explain to him, you know,
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: sort of what she's going through, and she does seem
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: to be doing much better. But what was really sort
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: of in the news this week was they did showed
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: clips all for the internet. That's like about the after show,
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: which I don't watch and Danny saying he had been
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: not watch porn in six years, and everybody's like, wow,
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: it was as if he said, you know that he
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: had been sober for six years or something. Now, he
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: didn't say he had a porn addiction and that he
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: had gotten himself clean from that, and that would be
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: something else, that it would be like a sex addiction
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: and he shouldn't be proud of him.
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: But he didn't say that.
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: He just said, you know, six years ago he decided
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: that he would no longer watch porn, and then sort
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: of indicates he and Nia had made a tape that
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: he would watch. And then, of course Kristen, who's so
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: far up, Nia's asked for no reason, we don't understand.
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: She just really hits herself to that wagon. Chris is like,
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: Nia is just such a rock star. I mean, she's
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: so amazing. I was like, that's what you got from that,
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: Danny hasn't watched porn in six years, So Nia's a.
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: Rock star, Like yeah, what it's what she made a
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: sex tape for him and maybe she didn't want to.
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: That makes her rock starting now now, she's amazing. Anyway,
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: Danny just just continues to give me every ick that
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: has been known to man. I hate him, and of
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: course I've talked a million times about it's a personal
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: trigger for me because if his behavior because I am
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: married to a recovering alcoholic coming up on twelve years,
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: and it doesn't matter if it was twelve years ago,
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: it's I still remember. I still remember these behaviors of
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: the hiding and the lying, and then I didn't do that,
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: and then Nia's behavior reminds me a lot of myself
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: of the protecting and the shielding. Never in any history
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: of time have I ever stood between my husband and
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: somebody else that was trying to like confront him about
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: his drinking.
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: I'd be like, go ahead, maybe you could talk some.
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: Self where You'd be like please go ahead, yeah, please,
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: I'll be over here.
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: Help me out, Yeah, help me out. So I I.
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: Don't want it to get canceled.
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: I want him to give it.
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: Come on.
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's okay. Here's why I think it has
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: crossed the line for me into super problematic is that
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: you have a group of people who they're not really
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: authentically friends clearly. I mean, these people hate each other.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: Uh, some of them are, some of them are from
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: back in the day. I mean Janet has been around,
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: course all has Janet has been in that Kristin Vanderpump
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: Rules with Shorts and everybody and Lalla for years, as
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: has Jasmine. They've all been around, and then Zach has
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: always been around. Now the Danny, Nia, Michelle, Jesse, Lacy,
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: that is sort of a new addition to right, yeah.
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: Right, But that's what I mean is that Kristin and
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: Luke and Danny and Nia and Jesse and Lacy are
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: like aligning into this like superpower where they clearly just
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: don't want Janet around and they're trying to So for me,
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: what it crossed the line into horribly dark when like
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: when it's triggering viewers. That's my that's my issue when
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: there's a Bravo show that's literally triggering viewers who we
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: either have been essayed and haven't been believed or who
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: have seen, you know, been in relationship issues with I'm sorry,
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: the who have been in relationships with people who have
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: addiction issues and things like that. But I think when
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: when Danny was getting the group to question Janet's experience.
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: For me, I.
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: Here's the thing. I'm not even the biggest Janet Fan.
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying like I don't know her, right, we've
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: never talked. I don't DM her, but I just refuse
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: to accept that someone could share their experience and then
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: a group of people on TV can be like, yeah,
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: I think this is convenient. I mean, they basically were
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: saying without saying, I think she's lying. And you know
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: why this matters is because when I posted about it
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: on my page, there were a ton of people who
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: came into the comments who were like, Janet's lying.
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: Don't worry.
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: They got blocked because if you're going to do that,
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: you don't belong on my page. We don't do that
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: on my page, because you can do that on that page.
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: Janet's lying, Like, that's a pretty specific story to make up.
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: Like she's not lying. I mean that obviously, it never
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: occurred to me that she's lying. She obviously is telling
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: from the heart something very traumatic that happened to her,
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: and she's trying to explain to La La, who hates
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: Danny anyway, to be like this is why I can't
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: say sorry to him for using those specific words. The
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: specific words are the issue that she said he's sexually
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: assaulted Jasmine. Now in my opinion, as just a regular
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: person walking into the world with no degrees in psychotherapy
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: or any sort of medical feing or police work, can
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: tell you that if somebody grabs your ass, that is
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: sexual assault.
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: They have grabbed your body part. It would be no different.
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: If he honked or mob you know. Yeah, so he
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: grabbed her ass, that is sexual assault. Those are the
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: correct words. And I guess because they're trying to be
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: like we were all in a bar and it was
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: a joking situation. Well, Melissa didn't like it, didn't ask
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: for it, and she doesn't speak much, but Jasmine has
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: tried to stick up for her fiance and so for
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: Janet to say, that's why I won't say I'm sorry
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: for using those words, because I didn't know that that's
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: what happened to me. I didn't know to use those words.
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: But I've educated myself and I know that that was
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: the correct word. So I want I'm a one per
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: team Janet, and I appreciated that she explained it to
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: Laala because Laala does come across holier than thou or narcissistant,
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: but you can see Laala at the end of the
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: day is a girl's girl. And is listening to jan
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: and taking it in probably in her mind going through
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: something that she probably is also experienced.
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: So many women have experiment yes, right, And that's what
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: is making me wild, is that a lot of the
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: comments I'll get is why are we still talking about this?
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: And it's like, why are we still talking about someone
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: being sexually assaulted? Are you asking that as a serious question?
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: Like I just the lack of humanity in the bravosphere
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: sometimes is just it will really knock my socks off
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: because and not only that, people are like I've had
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: to block I've told you this multiple times more people
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: in the last couple months than in the last few
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: years over Danny Buco. There is something about these people,
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: and Kristin and Luke have bought into that, whatever that means.
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: And I think that Kristen's probably gonna regret it because
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: it's like, oh, yeah, how are you gonna say that
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: you wish people would have believed you, but now you're
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: gonna question Janet's timing. Kristin did that. I you know,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: I've seen both sides of the fandom about Kristin, but
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: for me, I'm gonna be honest. She completely lost me
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: last episode. You cannot claim to be an advocate and
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: ally a support for marginalized groups when you just don't
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: like Janet and now are trying to weaponize and say
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: she's lying. It's like that's and people will parse, parse
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: through semantics about like, well, no one said lie, and
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: it's like, uh, okay, we understand what the intimation is.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: The what Danny and Luke whatever was trying to say,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: we're not idiots. We understand what that means. And for
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: Kristin to hang her hat on that and Lazy, by
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: the way, Lazy has a podcast dedicated to survivors of
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: domestic abuse and she is sitting there questioning in it,
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: and I'm like, what like? And that's the thing for me,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: as a passionate supporter as you can hear of victims
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: and survivors, I'm never gonna questions anyone's story. It's not
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: our job. It's not my job, it's not the Bravo
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: Versus job to legitimize Janet or not. She doesn't need
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: us to do that. She's already legitimized because she told
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: us her story. She doesn't need us to give it
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: the stamp of approval. And that's what I think is
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: so shitty about fans? Is that, like, why are we
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: so narcissistic to believe that we know more about her
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: life than her? That's wacky.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, that's wacky. I think people just kind of
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: got on the I hate Janet train, and so now
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: they're on it. So no matter what, they're going to
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: stay on it, they're going to stick with it. And
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: I do think Kristen's going to regret she could still
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: not be a fan of Janet for whatever their past
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: history is for the past fifteen years. They can still
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: not be friends. But in this situation, you don't need
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: to hop on that. I don't like Janet train. I
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: don't know if she's telling the truth because you're so
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: so so up Danny and Nia's ass like it's not
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: going to turn out well for you. You know, Danny
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: and Ya are not fan favorites like you thought they
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: would be, you know.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: And now Kristen and Luke are not fan favorites either
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: because of how they've been behaving. And I just think, well, well, well,
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: if it isn't the consequences of your actions, I have
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: no who would have ever thought that Laala would be
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: saving the Valley number one and number two would be
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: the voice of reason because as you and I talked about,
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: as a sober woman, she is clear headed, she sees
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: things for how they are. She knows what's going on
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 3: in this group, and she has her finger on the
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: pulse in La La we trust.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, now that's wild. I love sober Lalla. And you
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: know she was on Watch What Happens a lot recently.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: They asked her about the Sheena of it all and
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: like how she's just like not going to say why
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: she and Sheena aren't friends. And I do know a
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: little bit about that from some sources air quote, And
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: I do think it would be kind of interesting if
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: Sheena comes back, because I think she was like, I
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: got to take a break from these people. I'm just
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: gonna watch my husband, who also is problematic, you know,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: build things in my driveway for a season. But if
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: the show comes back, and I think they're trying to
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: breathe some life into it, I think they will bring
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: Sheena back. And then if there's a Shena and La
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: La you know problem, that is good because they do
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: have houses next door to each other, and yeah, yeah,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: and they are They were best rider diyes and now
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: they're not and get Danny Nia out of here. We
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: don't need the Santa Clarita twelve for how many kids
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: they have, we don't need them all.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, here's the crazy thing. Nia's been
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: on this press tour now because she does her codependency dodgeball,
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: where now she takes the hits for Danny. She you know,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: she was on Fox News talking about the secret to
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 3: a Healthy marriage and I was like, oh no, what
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: she was? She was on Fox News talking about the
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: secrets to healthy marriage?
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: M hm? Does just okay? Does she did she reveal
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: what it is?
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: Is it?
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: Because you know, I couldn't bring myself to watch it,
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: if I'm being honest, not even for one second. I
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 3: really I was like, whatever bullshit is about to spew
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: out of this? I can't. I cannot listen to it.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 3: I just think that she's doing her pageant thing. She's masking,
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 3: She's trying to put on this facade because you know,
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: they thought that this was going to go another way,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: and you know, the fans are seeing them for who
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: they are. But there was one really interesting part where
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: Danny when he was going to get his vasectomy and
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 3: he was mad that Nia like had the had the
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: nerve to work while he had to get this seven
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 3: minute elective procedure, which, by the way, you know, I've
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: had biopsies and things without any sort of numbing at all,
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: and so I would just like to note the privilege
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: that Danny experienced getting all the healthcare.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: Let me just point that out, okay.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: But Danny said, well, you know, I like for my
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: woman to take care of me, and he just made
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 3: this face and I took a screenshot of it on TV.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: I never did anything with it, but I was like,
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: this is the smug look of a man who really
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: just wants Nia to buy this. You're a second class
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: citizen in this house. Your body is feeding our children,
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 3: it's keeping them alive, it brought them here, and now
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: you also need to take care of me, and this
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: is what our religion says, is okay. So I just
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: think there's it's very inequitable, and Danny seems to love that,
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 3: which is again red flag red flag, red flag redlo.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: I do believe that the job she was going to
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: was probably paying for his surgery, and I do think
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: she makes the most money. And also if it was
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: such a big deal. Why didn't you just change the
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: date when she was right? Because it's elective.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: It's elective. He could have done this whenever he wanted
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: to do it, but I think he probably wanted to
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: do it on film so that he could, you know,
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 3: complain and woe is me and poor me. But it's
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 3: really going, it's really going the opposite direction.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: My husband had of a sectomy, came home, sat around
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: with peas on you know, frozen peas on the.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: Balls for a couple of days, watching football, and went
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: right back to work.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: It was fine, you know, And he had a complication
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: of some sort.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: I don't know what it was.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: I didn't care.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: Sorry, I had two c sections.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: What do you want me to do? Okay?
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: All the women who their bodies have been just ravaged
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: and destroyed by you know, children, and then the men
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: are like, oh, I had a minor day of pain.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: And it's like, sir, please, you're fucking yeah.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: I will say that that all the men in my life,
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: everybody has had a vasectomy, because I mean the women
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: are just like, oh really okay, Well then no, mo're sex.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: I mean it's pretty easy.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: We could. We're tired of being on birth control. So
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: now it's your turn.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: You know, that's exactly right, And I love that for
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 3: your family, Mary Paine, I love it. I just love
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: every single bit about that.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: I said to my husband.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: And the other option is I can go back under
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: the knife and have my tubes tied. Now, would you
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: like me to have a third surgery? He's like no,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: Like right, You're.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: Like, that's the right answer.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: It was a long time ago. I will tell you, guys,
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: goo that when the whole thing about Danny saying about
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: the porn and stuff. The conversation got started because you
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: have to have thirty five ejaculations after the vasectomy to
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: get all the sperm out. That's how the conversation started.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: But let me tell you something. My sister's husband, they
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: had three sons. They were they were four to two
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: and zero.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: And her husband had a sectomy. Guess what, she had
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: another baby.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: No, Oh, it worked. He just didn't go back because
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: you go back for a follow up to make sure
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: you're shooting blanks, and he just didn't go back for
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: the follow up, and so he wasn't shooting blanks. And
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: so anyway, she's almost thirty now, the daughter. Everything's fine,
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: but two three sons, and then they had a daughter
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: because he didn't follow the instructions. So it's very important
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: to follow this post up instruction.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: Extremely important, yes, or you could.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: End up with the fourth child or in their case
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: of fifth.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: So so, was he saying that he had to watch
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 3: the pornography to do the thirty five ejaculations?
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: No, because I think the guys were like, well, that's
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: what porn is for, that's kind of what it was.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: He was like, No, it was hard because I don't
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: watch porn. I had to come up with things on
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: my own or bang my wife or I don't know what.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I was so disgusted with him. I
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: was like, Okay, nobody thinks you're a hero, Like, you know,
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: it's not.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: Such a wild way to talk about your wife and
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: women in general. Like So, because I can't imagine that
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: Nia would feel really excited that he would say that
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 3: they made a tape together. She doesn't seem like she
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: would have signed off on that, right. And I just
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: think the way that he talks about sex is so
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 3: juvenile and concerning that he just like doesn't get it
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 3: at best and at worst, well, I don't want to
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: say at worst.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: Red flags? How about that? Yeah?
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 3: My red flag right here there you go, yeah, red flag?
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: So many things in this office, everybody, We are done.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for chatting with me. We didn't
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: get into Atlanta. I'm a little behind on it. I
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: got to catch up over the weekend. I'm a couple behind.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: We've got OC. We didn't talk about that. I know
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: you're grateful.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 3: I'm very grateful because I cannot stand O S. I mean,
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 3: did you even it was so boring this second episode?
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 3: Didn't you think, Yeah.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: It's a little boring.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: It was a little it was a snooze fest. It's like, Okay,
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna be honest. I saw a little bit when
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 3: you were podcasting with Ace and Ace making fun of Shannon,
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 3: and I almost peed myself laughing because he's so correct that, like,
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 3: I feel like she does this lucial ball shtick.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, stopped. It's like it's like de Renda saying her
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: own taglines like stop stop.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 3: Right, and to me, I just think it means OC
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 3: has jumped the shark for me. But listen, we're only
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 3: two episodes in. I'm happy to come back and talk
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: to it. If there's something more interesting other than Tamor's
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 3: feelings were hurt. I can't. I just I you know,
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 3: I just cannot do it. I can't with the Shannon
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 3: Shannon's this sticky person. Vicky is still falling asleep at dinner.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's like it's been twenty years but nothing
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 3: has changed. And that's kind of not what you want
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 3: to see, you know what I mean.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of people do think this is the
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: swan song and they'll cancel it. And then in my thoughts,
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: I'm like, well, maybe they'll cancel it, and then this
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: is what they've told Heather to brow just stay one
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: more season and then we'll let you go to Beverly
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: Hills because that's all she wants. And they're like, you,
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: gus season twenty and then we'll allow you to go over.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: And I would like to see that. Because of the
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 3: OC ladies, I think that Heather has the most to offer,
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 3: like for other franchises. Oh my gosh. Also, here's one
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: thing I wanted to tell you before we wrapped. Did
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 3: you see that when Jen Patrante had posted about her
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 3: son starting the fire, she was actually in Cabo. Oh
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 3: and Ryan were in Cabo, and I was like, Oh,
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 3: you're so concerned that your son set a ton of
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: things on fire that almost s bren't people's houses down,
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 3: and you just like casually vacationing in Cabo girl by.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: Well, I know, but then I have to say, like
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: they were probably already in Cabo, and then they got
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: this information, They're like, well shit, now we had to
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: put out a statement, but we're on a vacation.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: Cabo's not that you come.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 3: Home from the vacation. You can go home if you're
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 3: that can if your children. Because here's the thing that
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 3: we see in the preview, Jen talks to one of
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: her sons about how he's feeling about the divorce because
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 3: he's acting out. Maybe you should do that instead of
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 3: being in.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: Cabo, is what I'm saying.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 3: Right, if your sons are acting out and they're doing
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 3: things that they're not used accustomed to doing, well, they
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 3: may be crying out for some help and just need
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 3: someone on one time, you know what I mean.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, But I'm always I'm always like, oh, they probably
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: got a free vacation or something, they were already there,
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: but they should have come home.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: They should have they should have come home.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 3: But anyway, TVD on OC. But yeah, it's it's not
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 3: looking promising to me at all.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: I'll always watch it.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: I did, like somebody pointed out that there's not any
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: way in any world that Shannon Badoor would be friends
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: with this Carmela girl. There's no way in any way
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: she would ever be friends with her. But she's like
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: my friend Carmela ever, Like, you're not friends with this girl.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 3: That's what makes me crazy about housewives. It's like, are
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 3: we still pretending that this person wasn't cast? Are we
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 3: really still trying?
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: She lives in San Diego, right, It's.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 3: Like, and doesn't Carmela, an ex playboy who's lived an
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 3: interesting life, seem like a Shannon Badour friend. I mean,
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: come on, good one, but I do. The one thing
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 3: I can't wait to see is how she gets under
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 3: Vicky's skin because it's just so it is fun to
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 3: watch Vicky like freak out because she's just like so
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 3: judgy and she just she has to die with like
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 3: the og of the OC on her tombstone, like that
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 3: is her defining case characteristic And I just feel like
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 3: that's so sad. You're a beautiful woman with lots to offer,
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 3: this is your defining case, I don't. I just I
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 3: don't know.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: I've said too much. I'm sorry I keep dabbling. Last
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: thing you saw the Rone trailer, Yes, looks good.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 3: It does look good.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: It looks brilliant.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: I'm happy that they brought up about Carol being in
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: the Epstein files. I mean, you know, we know why
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: she's in the Epstein FLEs blah blah blah. We don't
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: have to debate that.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: But I did like.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: That Carol was like, I'm excited about the summer, even
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: though like I've passed my life. I mean, I have
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: a shirt that says Carol's last good summer. That's from
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: Bitch Sash. It was some of their merch. So like,
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: I like that Carol's back because she's closer to these
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: women's age, and I has Sai always had a tattoo.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: Behind her ear.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 3: I asked myself that question too. I'm like, either I'm
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 3: not observant or she just got that. I think that's new.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: That would be an choice.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, Beside is very like, you know, she's
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 3: kind of tough. She's kind of tough, she's a little bold.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 3: I could see her making you know, fun choices like that.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't find that fun. But I could
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 3: understand how that seems fun. Oh yeah, I don't behind
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 3: your fun.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: I don't either.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: I don't like it.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 3: No to me, that would hurt soap bad.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: You know else has one.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: Brittany has one, and also Dolores's Paulie. He also has one.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 3: Pie Really listen, I have two tattoos. I'm not a
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 3: post to them, but I just feel like behind the
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 3: ear there's not a lot of tissue. It's just your
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 3: bone that seems like it would Oh god, that would
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 3: give me a headache.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: I can't. But I'm not a fan. Well, I have
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: lots of tattoos. I don't care about tattoos. I just
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: don't like one behind the ear. That's my personal opinion.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 3: That's my opinion.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: And tell everybody where they can follow you and your
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: podcast in all of your very very insightful posts about
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: what's happening on our Bravo.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 3: Well, thank you. You can find me at your bish
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 3: therapist on Instagram, which I'm not gonna live. Taking a
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 3: couple days hiatus because people were really yelling at me
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 3: on the internet, and I'm gonna be honest. I needed
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 3: to check people and be like I do this for free. Okay,
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 3: this takes a lot of time, and I do it
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 3: for free and I don't make money from it. So
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 3: I'm taking a little break for a couple of days,
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 3: seeing if that helps people chill out and come correct
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 3: next time. TVD and you can also find me at
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• 1:16:30
  Speaker 3: if you like to watch video, I'm on Spotify video,
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• 1:16:38
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• 1:16:42
  Speaker 3: for having me Mary Payne.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: And you guys. It comes from Joe Judai saying Teresa
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: Judaice was my bitch wife.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 3: Yes, I messaged Amy about she had like a question
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 3: about lexapro and I was like, Hi, this is your
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 3: bitch therapist, and then I was born from there and
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 3: then yeah, it's technically bish because you don't want to
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 3: have a person in your name. That's that inhibits you
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 3: in a little ways.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: But you know, I love it.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I am I am a little bitshy.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: So okay, thank you, I'll see you next time.