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Alec Baldwin Tweets Buddha Quote, Angers Grieving Victim's Hubby · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Why won't he just be quiet? Now?
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Speaker 1: That could really apply to a lot of people. Right now,
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Speaker 1: I'm talking about blockbuster movie star Alec Baldwin. In the
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Speaker 1: last hours, he's tweeted something out about being truthful and Buddhism.
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Speaker 1: What And it's coincidentally the same day that the grieving
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Speaker 1: widow of Helena Hutchins speaks out about him, shifting blame
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Speaker 1: and sounding like he Alec Baldwin is the victim of
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Speaker 1: the fatal rust set shooting that claimed the life of
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Speaker 1: a wife, a mother of a little boy, boy Andrews.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I see Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank
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Speaker 1: you for being with us here at Fox Nation and
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Speaker 1: Serious XM one eleven. You know I've enjoyed his movies.
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Speaker 1: I've enjoyed him on Saturday Night Live. Not anymore, Not anymore.
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Speaker 1: If you can't speak without taking blame or shifting blame
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Speaker 1: to somebody else, for Pete's sake, he had the gun
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Speaker 1: in his hand when Elena was shot dead. Just don't
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Speaker 1: say anything. Just don't speak, for Pete's sake. You know
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Speaker 1: what I believe. Miss Hutchins's husband says it all. I
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Speaker 1: don't need to speak for him. Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: Matt Hudges speaking to our friend Hoda on NBC. Remember
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Speaker 1: the production team told me that Helena had been shot,
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Speaker 1: and my heart sank right away, completely inexplicable to me
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Speaker 1: that it could have happened at that moment, and the
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Speaker 1: first thing I thought. I sat down and I said,
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Speaker 1: I have to get my son because I had to
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Speaker 1: be with him. I rushed home, and on the way
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Speaker 1: I decided that we had to go to Santa Fe.
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Speaker 1: And when I got through to the doctor and spoke
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Speaker 1: with him, and he detailed exactly what had happened and
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Speaker 1: that she didn't survive. I mean I was. I was heartbroken,
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Speaker 1: and I knew that I had to tell my son
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Speaker 1: right away when I saw him, I just had to
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Speaker 1: be very direct and blunt, because going to pick him
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Speaker 1: up and go to the airport to go to Santa Fe,
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Speaker 1: I didn't want him to think that we were going
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Speaker 1: to be seeing her and having fun together and getting
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Speaker 1: his hopes up. I told him, sitting together, you know,
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Speaker 1: that his mother had been shot and died, and of
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Speaker 1: course he didn't believe it right away. He didn't want
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Speaker 1: to believe it. I'm just hearing that how do you
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Speaker 1: tell your little boy that mommy has been shot and
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Speaker 1: is dead and then load your child up in a
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Speaker 1: car and take off to the scene of the shooting.
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Speaker 1: Just before I introduced our all Star panel, let me
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Speaker 1: go first to doctor Jerry Cross and psychologist Faculties Saint
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Speaker 1: Leo University and author of Operation SOS Doctor Jury. I
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Speaker 1: know I'm projecting again, but when my fiance Keith was murdered,
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Speaker 1: all I wanted to do was get there because in
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Speaker 1: my mind, I guess I thought maybe I could fix it.
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Speaker 1: I did. I thought I could fix it. Then I
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Speaker 1: can anvince myself that it was wrong, that he was
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Speaker 1: not dead, that he was just in the hospital, and
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Speaker 1: if I could just get there, I could fix it.
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Speaker 1: I could tell the doctors to do something I didn't
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Speaker 1: know what, but something and save him. And I'm thinking
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Speaker 1: about this dad just flying up the interstate to the
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Speaker 1: airport to try to get there. What is that impulse? Well,
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Speaker 1: that's trying to bring some kind of comprehension or coherence
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Speaker 1: into this trauma, this traumatic situation. By him telling his
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Speaker 1: son up front, you know, I think that was a
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Speaker 1: good thing because, like he explained that he didn't want
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Speaker 1: them to think we're going out to visit mom and
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Speaker 1: they can start the bonding and healing of the grief
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Speaker 1: process together as father and son. How can you do
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Speaker 1: that when you don't really even know what's happened yet. Well,
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know that she is dead, so you
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Speaker 1: can start grieving from that point, and you can start
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Speaker 1: again that bonding from father and son trying to explain things,
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Speaker 1: remembering good times. All of this is all that process
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Speaker 1: that comes from that traumatic jolt again. I mean, see Grace,
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Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories and thank you for being with
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Speaker 1: us here at Fox Nation. In series XM one eleven,
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Speaker 1: apparently Alec Baldwin, megastar on the big screen and on TV,
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Speaker 1: just can't stop talking. Take a listen to our friends
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Speaker 1: at Inside Edition. The husband of cinematographer Helena Hutchins, who
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Speaker 1: was accidentally shot and killed by Alec Baldwin. He's breaking
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Speaker 1: his silence, just so angry to see him talk about
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Speaker 1: her death so publicly in such a detailed way, and
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Speaker 1: then let's not accept any responsibility after having just described
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Speaker 1: killing her. Matthew Hutchins tells the Today Shows Hoda Copy
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Speaker 1: that he finds it shocking that Baldwin is portraying himself
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Speaker 1: as the victim. Hearing him blame Helena in the interview
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Speaker 1: and shift responsibility to others and seeing him cry about it,
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Speaker 1: I just feel like, are we really supposed to feel
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Speaker 1: bad about you, mister Baldwin. In the days after his
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Speaker 1: wife was shot to death, Matthew Hutchins was seen embracing Baldwin,
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Speaker 1: but now he says it's time for the actor to
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Speaker 1: take responsibility for what happened. The idea that the person
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Speaker 1: holding the gun causing it to discharge is not responsible
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Speaker 1: is absurd to me. Well, I've got to agree with him,
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Speaker 1: Matthew Hutchins, Helena's husband. But what exactly to Alexis Terrestchuck
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Speaker 1: Crime online dot com investigative reporter with Me Alexis Terres Chuck.
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Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor, author of Red Flags and host
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Speaker 1: of Today with Doctor Wendy k c b Q. You
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Speaker 1: can find her at Wendy Patrick PhD dot com, Doctor
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Speaker 1: Jorry Crows and psychologist at faculty at Saint Leo University,
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Speaker 1: author of Operation so Os Paul Zike for a police commander,
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Speaker 1: and author of Stopped Him From Killing Them on Amazon
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Speaker 1: doctor Michelle Dupree, forensic pathologists, former medical examiner and author
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Speaker 1: of Homicide Investigation Field Guide Matte Alexis Terrestuck. What is
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Speaker 1: Matthew Hutchins talking about when he is set saying that
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Speaker 1: Alec Baldwin is blaming his wife. So four months later
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Speaker 1: and Alec Baldwin gives an interview where he says, you
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Speaker 1: know someone was responsible for this death, but it wasn't me, okay,
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Speaker 1: So Alexis terres Schuck, Baldwin is now saying it's not
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Speaker 1: my fault. He is, he has said it was not
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Speaker 1: my fault. It's somebody's fault. But it certainly wasn't me.
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Speaker 1: But he was the one holding the gun. He was
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Speaker 1: the one pointing it at her. He was one holding
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Speaker 1: it when it went off and shot her and in
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Speaker 1: fact shot another person. And now Baldwin tweeting out something
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Speaker 1: about being truthful in Buddhism, he did, okay, take a
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Speaker 1: listen to our cut eleven in from NBC. Baldwin has
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Speaker 1: not commented on the interview, but posted this cryptic message
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Speaker 1: on social media. In Buddhism, being truthful goes beyond simply
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Speaker 1: not telling lies when anyone feels no shame in telling
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Speaker 1: a deliberate lie. There is no evil. They will not do.
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Speaker 1: The actor also posting this clip of Nina Simone singing
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Speaker 1: Please don't let me be misunderstood. In an earlier statement,
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Speaker 1: Baldwin's attorney says any claim that Alick was reckless is
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Speaker 1: entirely false. The Santa Fe County DA's office says it's
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Speaker 1: still investigating the shooting and has not decided whether to
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Speaker 1: file criminal charges. The FBI is doing ballistic tests and
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Speaker 1: analyzing the revolver used in the shooting. The DA writing,
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Speaker 1: while my office has reviewed weapons with similar actions and
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Speaker 1: varying conditions, it is premature to guess or speculate about
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Speaker 1: the functionality of the particular firearm. Mister Baldwin discharged. WHOA
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Speaker 1: he sounds like a cat in a room full of
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Speaker 1: rock and shares he's really parsing his wars. We've done
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Speaker 1: a lot of tests on a lot of guns, but
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Speaker 1: not that guns, so we don't know if Balwin pull
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Speaker 1: the trigger or not. So in Buddhism, being truthful goes
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Speaker 1: beyond simply not telling lies what. It's very confusing, and
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Speaker 1: I doubt pretty seriously. Alexis Terrez Chuck that one of
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Speaker 1: the all time greatest singers in the world, Nina Simone
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Speaker 1: may she rest in peace, wants to be dragged into
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Speaker 1: this with Alec Baldwin, but's also just so disrespectful, like
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Speaker 1: he yes, you are an actor, but you are also
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Speaker 1: a father, you are a husband. You should understand the
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Speaker 1: devastation of this his cause for the family. And to
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Speaker 1: put up a quote from a singer or a Buddhist quote,
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Speaker 1: are you are you even a practicing Buddhist Alec Bublin?
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Speaker 1: This is it's just a slap in the face to
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Speaker 1: the family of the woman he killed. And you know
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Speaker 1: what he said in that interview where he totally didn't
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Speaker 1: kick anyblame at all. He said, someone put a live
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Speaker 1: bullet in a gun, a live bullet that wasn't even
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Speaker 1: supposed to be on the property. I can't see who
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Speaker 1: that is, but I know it's not me. Someone's responsible,
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Speaker 1: but it's not. That reminds me so much Wendy Patrick
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Speaker 1: at trial when I would try co defendants together that
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Speaker 1: I'll go like this, pointing at each other, not me.
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Speaker 1: The money did it, but it wasn't me. And another thing,
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Speaker 1: Wendy Passion. While I've got you California prosecutor author red flags.
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Speaker 1: From my understanding, matt Hutchins the husband, He's no idiot.
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Speaker 1: He didn't just fall off the turnip truck. I understand
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Speaker 1: that he is a Harvard educated lawyer. Yeah, you know,
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Speaker 1: it is really hard to hear, especially I can imagine
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Speaker 1: being a lawyer. Matthew is listening to Baldwin say I'm
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Speaker 1: not responsible when he was the one with the gun
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Speaker 1: in his hand. So what Boldwin is trying to say,
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Speaker 1: Remember he's a civil defendant here, He's trying to say,
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Speaker 1: I'm guilty of killing her, not murdering her. But that's
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Speaker 1: not a distinction with a difference to a grieving family,
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Speaker 1: and we see that sometimes in cases like this. That's
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Speaker 1: why it's so hard, no doubt from Matthew and others,
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Speaker 1: to listen to this. Why has Alex Baldwin changed by
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Speaker 1: the way it says something that really struck me wrong.
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Speaker 1: Not that you're inaccurate, but you're right, this is a
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Speaker 1: civil proceeding, But why is this not a criminal proceeding such?
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Speaker 1: I don't have any belief that Alec Baldwin meant to
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Speaker 1: shoot a person, much less Helena Hutchins. I don't think
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Speaker 1: he meant to, but there is such a thing as
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Speaker 1: reckless hall side and das still looking at it, and
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Speaker 1: she was very clear, why are they still looking? What's happening?
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Speaker 1: Well according to their office, and I think he just
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Speaker 1: played a little bit of the cliff. They're still analyzing
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Speaker 1: the evidence, but they've had a long time to do
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Speaker 1: that between the between the killing and between now. So
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Speaker 1: it's a great question as to why criminal charges aren't there.
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Speaker 1: It's not it's easy to understand why a civil suit
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Speaker 1: has been filed. So I hear you, Paul sit jumping in,
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Speaker 1: who's that? Yes, it is so. Bottom line is he's
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Speaker 1: a film producer, star of the film, in the big
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Speaker 1: name on the set. Nobody's going to tell him what
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Speaker 1: to do or what not to do. He brought that,
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Speaker 1: he took the possession of the firearm, he aimed the firearm,
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Speaker 1: and he caused the firearm to discharge from a beyond
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Speaker 1: a reasonable doubt. That's going to take some time, and
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Speaker 1: they're taking some time to put that together from the
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Speaker 1: pondering to the evidence of civil suit. That's a slam dunk.
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Speaker 1: Speaking of Ali Balden and what are you saying now
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Speaker 1: other than tweeting out Buddhist comments. Take a listen to seven,
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Speaker 1: and this is him speaking with our friends at ABC.
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Speaker 1: And she says to me, hold the gun lower, go
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Speaker 1: to your right. Okay, right there. I do that. I'm
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Speaker 1: showed a little lower and she's getting me to position
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Speaker 1: the gun. Everything is in her direction. She's guiding me
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Speaker 1: through how she wants me to hold the gun for
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Speaker 1: this angle. And I draw the gun out and I
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Speaker 1: find a mark. I drew the gun out off a cock.
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Speaker 1: And what's really urgent is the gun wasn't meant to
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Speaker 1: be fired in that angle. So if you're shooting directly
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Speaker 1: into the camera lens, you're not aim I'm not shore
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Speaker 1: into the camera lens. I'm shooting just off, just off
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Speaker 1: in her direction. I'm holding the gun where she told
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Speaker 1: me to hold it, which ended up being aimed right
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Speaker 1: and below her armpit. It was what I was told.
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Speaker 1: I don't know. This was a completely incidental shot, an
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Speaker 1: angle that may not have ended up in the film
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Speaker 1: at all, but we kept doing this new so that
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Speaker 1: I said to her, now in this scene, I'm going
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Speaker 1: to cock the gun. And I said, do you want
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Speaker 1: to see that? And she said yes, So I take
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Speaker 1: the gun and I start to cock the gun. I'm
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Speaker 1: not going to pull the trigger. I said, do you
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Speaker 1: see that? She was, will just cheat it down and
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Speaker 1: tilt it down a little bit like that. And I
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Speaker 1: cop the gun to go can you see that? Can
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Speaker 1: you see that? Can you see that? And she says,
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Speaker 1: and then I let go with the hammer of the
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Speaker 1: gun and the gun goes off. Time stories with Nancy Grace,
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Speaker 1: we kept doing this news so that I said to her,
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Speaker 1: now in this scene, I'm going to cock the gun.
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Speaker 1: And I said, do you want to see that? And
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Speaker 1: she said yes. So I take the gun and I
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Speaker 1: start to cock the gun. I'm not going to pull
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Speaker 1: the trigger. I said, do you see that? She was,
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Speaker 1: We'll just cheat it down and tilt it down a
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Speaker 1: little bit like that. On I cop the gunn go
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Speaker 1: can you see that? Can you see that? Can you
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Speaker 1: see that? And she says, and then I let go
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Speaker 1: with the hammer of the gun and the gun goes off.
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Speaker 1: That's I believe it's that portion of his statements that
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Speaker 1: is just stabbing the victim's family in a heart. She
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Speaker 1: told me to do what she told me to do
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Speaker 1: this She said, yes, I can see now why Matthew
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Speaker 1: Hudgins is so angry take us an our cut ten
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Speaker 1: in Our Friends at NBC see him talk about her death.
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Speaker 1: Matthew Hutchins expressing his grief and anger at Alec Baldwin
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Speaker 1: her comments the actor made following the Rust tragedy. Just
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Speaker 1: so angry to see him talk about her death so publicly.
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Speaker 1: Hutchins has filed a wrongful death suit against Baldwin and
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Speaker 1: other members of the production team, telling Hoda he takes
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Speaker 1: issue with Alec Baldwin's account of the fatal incident, holding
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Speaker 1: I'm just showing how about that? Does that work? Do
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Speaker 1: you see that? Do you see that? Just say? She goes, yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's good. I'm not going to the hammer bang, the
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Speaker 1: gun goes. Mister Baldwin goes out there and talks about
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Speaker 1: these details about how he caused the gun to discharge
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Speaker 1: and yet takes no responsibility. And in my mind, it's
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Speaker 1: just very simple that he was holding the gun and
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Speaker 1: caused it to go off. Baldwin has not commented on
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Speaker 1: the interview and also insists he did not pull the
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Speaker 1: trigger or take a Listen to our cut eight in
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Speaker 1: Our Friends at NBC, I let go of the hammer
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Speaker 1: of the gun, that gun goes on at the moment
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Speaker 1: and decides that was the moment the gun went off.
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Speaker 1: Yet that was the moment that coming on. It wasn't
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Speaker 1: in the script for the trigger to be pulled. Well,
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Speaker 1: the trigger wasn't pulled. I didn't pull the trigger, and
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Speaker 1: so you never pulled the trigger. No, no, no, no no.
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Speaker 1: I would never point a gun anyone to pull the
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Speaker 1: trigger at them. Never. Never. That was the training that
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Speaker 1: I had. You don't point a gun and pull trigger.
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Speaker 1: On day one of my instruction in this business, people
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Speaker 1: said to me, never take a gun and go click
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Speaker 1: click click, click click. Because he didn't, even though it's incremental,
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Speaker 1: you damaged the firing pin on the gun if you
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Speaker 1: do that. Don't do that. And Hall's attorney told ABC
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Speaker 1: News that he was watching and agrees that Alec did
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Speaker 1: not pull the trigger and that his finger was outside
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Speaker 1: the trigger guard. So you know this cold forty five,
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Speaker 1: you just pulled the hammer as far back as I've
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Speaker 1: been without cocking the actual and you're holding onto the hammer.
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Speaker 1: I'm I'm just sorring. How about that? Does that work?
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Speaker 1: You see that? Do you see that? Just say? She
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Speaker 1: goes yeah, that's good. I'll let going the hammer, bang,
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Speaker 1: the gun goes off. That's so we're hearing. Now we
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Speaker 1: understand why an inspection of that weapon is so critical.
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Speaker 1: To doctor Michelle Dupre, forensic pathologists and former medical examiner,
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Speaker 1: author of Homicide Investigation Field Guide, why is it so
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Speaker 1: critical that the tests are appropriately run, the ballistic tests
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Speaker 1: on the shooting weapon. Nancy, that's gonna you're gonna look
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Speaker 1: at the bullet and you're gonna look at the bullet
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Speaker 1: that's recovered after a test firing, and you're gonna be
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Speaker 1: able to say that, yes, this is definitely the gun.
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Speaker 1: This is definitely the weapon that shot this person in
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Speaker 1: fact killed them. And it's just sort of you know,
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Speaker 1: dotting your eyes and crossing your teeth. It's also making
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Speaker 1: sure that the weapon didn't malfunction, that it's like functioning
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Speaker 1: weapon and so it was not quote accidental. What about it, paul'syke, Okay,
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Speaker 1: So that a hammer and that type of weapon, it's
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Speaker 1: a single action fire. He's pulling that hammerback and he's
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Speaker 1: doing a great job with playing with words. He's pulling
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Speaker 1: the hammerback. No finger on the trigger. If he pulls
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Speaker 1: that back and he doesn't pull it back far enough
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Speaker 1: to where that hammer a lots by him releasing the
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Speaker 1: hammer with his thumb and that hammer going forward using
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Speaker 1: the firing pin, I'm the hammer striking the cartridge and
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Speaker 1: the weapon goes off. So he is he's misrepresenting the
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Speaker 1: truth and telling the truth at the same time by
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Speaker 1: saying I didn't look okay, you know what, I have
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Speaker 1: no doubt. Paul's like that, You're right, but I don't
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Speaker 1: know anything you just said. Can you just speak to me,
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Speaker 1: like I have never prosecuted a shooting death, Just tell
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Speaker 1: me what you just said in simple words. Because you
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Speaker 1: can't pull the trigger and not pull the trigger. You
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Speaker 1: can't shoot and not shoot right. I may not know
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Speaker 1: a lot, but I know that much. Both statements can
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Speaker 1: be correct. That single action firearm that could forty five
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Speaker 1: does not have to have the hammer pulled all the
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Speaker 1: way back, and you don't have to pull the trigger.
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Speaker 1: He can pull the hammer partially back and let go
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Speaker 1: of it, and that hammer still is enough force to
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Speaker 1: go forward, strike the cartridge and fire the gun. And
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Speaker 1: it sounds like that is what happened in this case.
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Speaker 1: So Wendy Patrick, even under the scenario that Alec Baldwin
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Speaker 1: has painted for us speaking to our friends at ABC.
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Speaker 1: He is still responsible for the shooting, whether he pull
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Speaker 1: the trigger or not, if Paul Zyke is correct. And
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Speaker 1: that's why Paul Zyke would be my number one expert witness.
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Speaker 1: He'd be the star of the show because that's the
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Speaker 1: issue here is negligence and was it some sort of
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Speaker 1: negligence supervision? Remember Baldwin was also the executive producer, so
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Speaker 1: there's different levels of liability that jury can look at.
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Speaker 1: But that's exactly it. They're going to have to prove
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Speaker 1: that what he did with that gun, the way he
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Speaker 1: manipulated it, let's just call it, that did not violate
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Speaker 1: some sort of standard of karats my Pnfhill Dodle, Paul Zey,
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Speaker 1: will you say it one more time, just as few
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Speaker 1: words as necessary. The manipulation of the firearm that Alec
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Speaker 1: Baldwin engaged in was enough to cause that firearm to
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Speaker 1: discharge with or without the pulling of the trigger. The end,
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Speaker 1: the way he Baldwin is handling the gun, whether he
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Speaker 1: pulled the shagger or not, resulted in the bullet ejecting.
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Speaker 1: Is that what you just said? Absolutely absolutely, and it's
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Speaker 1: because he helped pull the hammer back. Explain everybody what
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Speaker 1: the hammer is. The hammer is simply the thing that
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Speaker 1: you would grab with your thumb. It's where it's located
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Speaker 1: about where your thumb is. And in a single action firearm. Again,
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Speaker 1: not all firearms have hammers, this one does. He pulled
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Speaker 1: back the hammer and pull the trigger. Yeah, well if
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Speaker 1: it locks, If the hammer pulls all the way back
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Speaker 1: and locks, you then have to pull the trigger to
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Speaker 1: get it to fire. If you pull it back and
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Speaker 1: say three forced the way back where it doesn't lock,
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Speaker 1: and then you let go of the hammer, they're still
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Speaker 1: in the energy and that hammer dropping to use the
20:04
Speaker 1: hit the cartridge itself with that hammer and cause it
20:08
Speaker 1: to fire. And bottom line, if it wasn't aimed at
20:12
Speaker 1: a person, even if that worder case and he just
20:15
Speaker 1: dropped the hammer, nobody would have been shot. But in
20:18
Speaker 1: fact it was aimed at somebody while that happened, Okay,
20:22
Speaker 1: that makes it jump in Legally, the big issue is
20:25
Speaker 1: going to be who should have known there was a
20:27
Speaker 1: live bullet in the gun? I mean that seems to
20:29
Speaker 1: do what a lot of people are focusing on that
20:32
Speaker 1: work on the set. But Wendy Patrick, I mean, you've
20:34
Speaker 1: handled guns in front of a jury. The first thing
20:37
Speaker 1: I hate guns to start with, But whenever I would
20:41
Speaker 1: prosecute a case, I would have to handle the gun.
20:43
Speaker 1: And the first thing you do is pick it up,
20:46
Speaker 1: pointing down, open it in front of the jury, look
20:51
Speaker 1: yourself to make sure there's no bullet sent it. Shake it,
20:55
Speaker 1: says the jury knows there's no bullet sent it, and
20:57
Speaker 1: either leave the shamer out or wreck it back in
21:01
Speaker 1: and then handle it. Everybody in their right mind knows
21:06
Speaker 1: you have to check the see if there's a bullet
21:08
Speaker 1: in there. And if there had been, well there was
21:11
Speaker 1: a live round in there, he would have seen that
21:13
Speaker 1: if he had checked. Yeah, that's exactly right. And that's
21:16
Speaker 1: what the focus right now is. Why didn't he check?
21:18
Speaker 1: Should he have checked? Would he trained a check in?
21:20
Speaker 1: His talking continually about the case is not helping him.
21:24
Speaker 1: He said he was trying and quoting out some Buddhist
21:27
Speaker 1: quote is not helping anything. Listen to nine in This
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Speaker 1: is Baldwin still talking on ABC. Well, everyone is horrified,
21:38
Speaker 1: they're shocked. It's loud, they don't have their ear plugs,
21:42
Speaker 1: and no one was the gun was supposed to be empty.
21:44
Speaker 1: I was told I was handed an empty gun, if
21:47
Speaker 1: there were cosmetic grounds and nothing with a charge at all,
21:50
Speaker 1: or a flash round, nothing where she goes down? I
21:53
Speaker 1: thought to myself, but is she faint? The notion that
22:00
Speaker 1: there was a live round in that gun did not
22:05
Speaker 1: down a mate probably forty five minutes to an hour later,
22:08
Speaker 1: forty five minutes to an hour. Well, she's laying there,
22:10
Speaker 1: and I go, did she hit it by wadding? Was
22:12
Speaker 1: there a blank Sometimes those blank rounds have a wadding
22:15
Speaker 1: inside that packs us like a cloth that packs the gunpowder,
22:19
Speaker 1: and sometimes wadding comes out and can hit people and
22:21
Speaker 1: it can feel like a little bit of a poke.
22:23
Speaker 1: But no one could understand did she have a heart attack?
22:27
Speaker 1: We could remember the idea that someone put a live
22:29
Speaker 1: bullet in the gun was not even in reality. Did
22:32
Speaker 1: you go up to her? Did you back up to her?
22:34
Speaker 1: And then we were meeting aboard told to get out
22:35
Speaker 1: of the building. We were forced to get out of
22:36
Speaker 1: the building. The medicis came in and I stood over
22:38
Speaker 1: her for sixty seconds as she just laid there kind
22:42
Speaker 1: of in shock. Was she conscious? My recollection is yes,
22:47
Speaker 1: he couldn't see the blood. Let's see when you when
22:51
Speaker 1: you say he didn't know she was shot for forty
22:54
Speaker 1: five minutes to an hour. He thought she may have
22:57
Speaker 1: passed out or got hit by the wadding and the gun.
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Speaker 1: And that's not what we're learning on an immediate nine
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Speaker 1: one one call. Take a listen to our cut sixteen
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Speaker 1: in they were but doubled over the ID and the
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Speaker 1: camera woman and the direct and the director. They're clearing
23:14
Speaker 1: the roads ten to come back. We're back on the K.
23:16
Speaker 1: So back in the town, if you call them, were
23:18
Speaker 1: back in the western town. Is there any serious belieing?
23:22
Speaker 1: I don't know. I ran out of the building, but fine,
23:25
Speaker 1: I still have to go through these Okay, are they
23:27
Speaker 1: completely alert? We don't know, Sallo, Hi, I have a
23:34
Speaker 1: protocol of questions I need to add if you think
23:36
Speaker 1: you'll just sounds in the best in came. Okay, aren't
23:38
Speaker 1: they completely alert? Um? Yeah, well part of the body
23:44
Speaker 1: was injured. I'm not sure. I'm not in there. Fine,
23:48
Speaker 1: is there more than one wound? I think there's one
23:51
Speaker 1: on on two individuals, one one on two individuals. Okay, yeah, okay,
23:56
Speaker 1: So I mean everyone's helping outstandlineal see exactly want to
23:59
Speaker 1: do next? Okay, I'm gonna tell you how to stop
24:03
Speaker 1: the bleeding and listened carefully, make sure we do it right.
24:06
Speaker 1: We do. We do have a medic on set. They're
24:10
Speaker 1: already doing. That is the bleeding controls um if I'm
24:16
Speaker 1: allowed to get it. So immediate calls from nine one one.
24:20
Speaker 1: They obviously know people have been shot, but Alec Baldwin says,
24:24
Speaker 1: forty five minutes to an hour goes by before he
24:29
Speaker 1: realizes she didn't just faint or get hit by the
24:33
Speaker 1: wanting Yet he says he was standing over her. Did
24:37
Speaker 1: he not say that? Alex? Alexis ures check, that's exactly
24:40
Speaker 1: what he said, and he said, and that's I'm so
24:43
Speaker 1: glad you just played that nine one one call because
24:45
Speaker 1: it's a complete contradiction. The woman who placed the nine
24:48
Speaker 1: one one call immediately said, there's been an accidental shooting
24:51
Speaker 1: on the set. So how did Alex Baldwin not know
24:53
Speaker 1: when he's in the room and then where they say
24:56
Speaker 1: there's a medic taking care of her, and they weren't
24:58
Speaker 1: letting people back in. The woman, the operator who was
25:01
Speaker 1: trained to teach people how to stop the bleeding, wasn't
25:04
Speaker 1: even they weren't even allowed to go back into help,
25:06
Speaker 1: which they clearly needed because she didn't make it. And Baldwin,
25:10
Speaker 1: you have to remember, is a very very very good actor,
25:13
Speaker 1: an award winning actor, and he's had months now to
25:18
Speaker 1: change his story, to come up with a different plan,
25:21
Speaker 1: to come up with a different version of what happened
25:23
Speaker 1: to DNA Michelde pre forensic pathologists joining us form a
25:26
Speaker 1: medical examiner. What were hauling his injuries exactly? Well, she
25:30
Speaker 1: was actually shot and bled to death, so we call
25:34
Speaker 1: that excanguination. She was shot in the upper part of
25:37
Speaker 1: her body. I don't know what organs or vessels had
25:42
Speaker 1: actually hit, but it was a certainly enough to cause
25:44
Speaker 1: her to bleed to death. How could he stand over
25:47
Speaker 1: her and not know she was bleeding out right there?
25:51
Speaker 1: I do not understand that. I don't understand that either.
25:54
Speaker 1: And you know, this is what we've learned a small lie.
25:59
Speaker 1: For instance, I for forty five minutes that she would
26:01
Speaker 1: been shot, when you know he also said still he
26:05
Speaker 1: stood over her for sixty seconds following at least following
26:08
Speaker 1: the shooting. The two of those can't be true. At
26:12
Speaker 1: a trial, a jury is instructed by the judge. It's
26:16
Speaker 1: a black and white letter of the law. If you
26:19
Speaker 1: find a defendant has lied in part or in hole,
26:24
Speaker 1: you can throw out their entire testimony and disregard it.
26:29
Speaker 1: Why would he say that? Take a listen to our
26:32
Speaker 1: cut five in this is Helena Hutchins's husband speaking to
26:35
Speaker 1: our friend Hodah. He said, essentially he felt grief but
26:39
Speaker 1: no guilt. Almost sounds like he was the victim. And
26:43
Speaker 1: hearing him blame Helena in the interview and shift responsibility
26:49
Speaker 1: to others and seeing him cry about it, I just
26:52
Speaker 1: feel like, are we really supposed to feel bad about you,
26:56
Speaker 1: mister Baldwin? So do you think that the majority of
26:59
Speaker 1: the blame lays on Alec Baldwin? The idea that the
27:02
Speaker 1: person holding a gun causing it to discharge is not
27:06
Speaker 1: responsible is absurd to me. Every individual who touches a
27:10
Speaker 1: firearm has a responsibility for gun safety. But gun safety
27:15
Speaker 1: was not the only problem on that set. There were
27:17
Speaker 1: a number of industry standards that were not practiced and
27:24
Speaker 1: there's multiple responsible parties. Well, he's right about that. The
27:29
Speaker 1: husband of Helena Hutchins describing a very lax attitude towards
27:35
Speaker 1: safety on the set of Rust, the movie, the major
27:38
Speaker 1: motion picture that Alec Baldwin was filming. Take a list
27:42
Speaker 1: of our cut six in This is Matt Hutchins again
27:44
Speaker 1: speaking the suit, which alleges at least fifteen safety practices
27:48
Speaker 1: were disregarded on set, claims there was a wider culture
27:52
Speaker 1: of cost cutting that ultimately led to Helena's death. In
27:55
Speaker 1: a statement, Baldwin's attorney says, any claim that Alec was
27:59
Speaker 1: reckless is in tirely false. In your mind's eye, what
28:03
Speaker 1: does justice look like? You know, we're pursuing justice every
28:09
Speaker 1: way we can, with the lawsuit seeking to hold accountable
28:14
Speaker 1: the people who are responsible for Helena's death, which was
28:20
Speaker 1: totally preventable. In the end, you know, justice won't bring
28:26
Speaker 1: Helena back, but maybe the memory of her can help
28:31
Speaker 1: keep people safe and prevent something like this from ever
28:35
Speaker 1: happening again. I can tell you another thing it will
28:37
Speaker 1: do seeking justice, and that is how Ease is suffering
28:43
Speaker 1: of her little boy, eight years old. Ambrose will grow
28:47
Speaker 1: up one day and if no one does anything about
28:51
Speaker 1: this shooting of his mother, he will feel helpless the
28:56
Speaker 1: rest of his life. You never get over that. I've
29:00
Speaker 1: spoken to so many adults that were child victims of crime,
29:04
Speaker 1: and one of the main things they suffered the rest
29:06
Speaker 1: of their lives is. Nobody did anything. Nobody did the
29:12
Speaker 1: right thing. Nobody protected my mother, No one avenged her death, nothing,
29:17
Speaker 1: and that is so wrong. And I don't understand why
29:21
Speaker 1: the prosecutor is sitting on his thumb. Alexis terrest like,
29:25
Speaker 1: what's happening there? And see afraid of movie started, might
29:28
Speaker 1: get mad at him and trash him on TV. It
29:31
Speaker 1: seems like what they're trying to do is make sure
29:33
Speaker 1: they have all their tea's crossing their eyes dotted by
29:36
Speaker 1: testing this gun, because they've said they've tested other kinds
29:40
Speaker 1: of guns, but this one they have never done a
29:42
Speaker 1: test on why. I don't know why it's a prop gun,
29:45
Speaker 1: but it's happened they done a test, Alexis, I do
29:49
Speaker 1: not know why they haven't done a test yet. Well,
29:50
Speaker 1: I can tell you this much. How long did it
29:53
Speaker 1: take to get Alec Baldwin's cell phone? Because let's look
29:58
Speaker 1: at those phone calls. He went right outside it got
30:00
Speaker 1: on the cell phone after her. Lena was shock. What
30:03
Speaker 1: was he saying? What was he texting? Did he say,
30:06
Speaker 1: oh my stars, I just shot someone. It was an accident.
30:10
Speaker 1: I don't think I pulled the sugar? Is that what
30:12
Speaker 1: he said? Or did he say something very different. How
30:14
Speaker 1: long did it take to get a cell phone? Alexis,
30:17
Speaker 1: It took absolute months. And there's I'm not sure what
30:20
Speaker 1: kind of investigative tools they have, but there are lots
30:23
Speaker 1: of ways to actually delete things off of cell phones
30:26
Speaker 1: in even one hour. So they waited so long, it
30:31
Speaker 1: took so long? Months? Did it take months to get
30:34
Speaker 1: a cell phone? I mean he was pictured holding talking
30:37
Speaker 1: on the cell phone in public weeks and weeks after
30:41
Speaker 1: the shooting, the same cell phone he was using after
30:44
Speaker 1: the shooting, immediately after the shooting. Alexis, Yes, and they
30:47
Speaker 1: didn't get it. He is with all the talk and
30:49
Speaker 1: the interviews that he wasn't responsible. He is not really cooperated.
30:53
Speaker 1: Doesn't appear that he's cooperating with the investigation very much. Well,
30:57
Speaker 1: jump in real quick, so you know the other thing.
30:59
Speaker 1: We don't have to be you don't have to be quick.
31:02
Speaker 1: I want to hear the whole thing. Okay, this is
31:05
Speaker 1: a workplace, right, This is something that somebody has an
31:08
Speaker 1: obligation to make sure it's secure. People are expected to
31:11
Speaker 1: come to work, perform their duties, and go home. And
31:15
Speaker 1: that is a double shock to the husband. You know,
31:21
Speaker 1: the kid like, how could that possibly happen? It's a
31:23
Speaker 1: movie set. The work problem was just used here. That
31:27
Speaker 1: is not what this was. This is a full functioning
31:29
Speaker 1: deadly weapon. As far as why has it not been
31:33
Speaker 1: tested so to speak, it's because of the allegations that
31:37
Speaker 1: it malfunctioned. So they're going to have to take this
31:39
Speaker 1: weapon and put it under a host of different circumstances
31:44
Speaker 1: to see if there's any way possible due to the
31:47
Speaker 1: mechanism being worn down, the things inside the gun that
31:51
Speaker 1: are meant to be failsafe, did they or could they
31:54
Speaker 1: have failed? Because that's going to be his big defense
31:58
Speaker 1: is that this malfunctioned. This didn't do what it was
32:01
Speaker 1: supposed to do, and he's going to put a lot
32:04
Speaker 1: on that. Well, him aiming the firearm at this person's
32:08
Speaker 1: going to, you know, certainly mitigate a lot of his
32:11
Speaker 1: attempt to say it malfunction, but it's going to take
32:15
Speaker 1: a lot of testing to make sure, No, that's impossible,
32:19
Speaker 1: that didn't happen. And I think that's what the delay is.
32:35
Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, the response of Baldwin's family
32:44
Speaker 1: has come under fire. Take a listen to our cut
32:47
Speaker 1: twelve in Our Friend Jim Ray at Inside Edition, Alec
32:52
Speaker 1: Baldwin and his family are doing what they can to
32:54
Speaker 1: get back to normal, posting images of a festive Halloween.
32:58
Speaker 1: Baldwin is dressed up as a creature from the children's
33:01
Speaker 1: book Where the Wild Things Are. His wife Alaria is
33:04
Speaker 1: glammed up as a spider witch, matching two of their daughters.
33:07
Speaker 1: Alaria posted parenting through this has been an intense experience,
33:11
Speaker 1: to say the least. Referring to the accidental shooting death
33:14
Speaker 1: of cinematographer Helena Hutchins, we're also learning about Helena Hutchins's
33:19
Speaker 1: final and haunting words as she lay dying after Alec
33:22
Speaker 1: Baldwin fired the fatal shot. Moments before Baldwin fired the
33:26
Speaker 1: gun during rehearsals, which he had been told was not loaded,
33:30
Speaker 1: he announced, I guess I'm going to take this out,
33:32
Speaker 1: pull it and go bang. The bullet hit the forty
33:35
Speaker 1: two year old woman in the chest. Then a fatally
33:38
Speaker 1: wounded Hutchins spoke these haunting last words, that was no good,
33:42
Speaker 1: That was no good at all. As an active investigation
33:45
Speaker 1: interms of warm dying, she was my friend. She was
33:50
Speaker 1: my friend. I don't think anyone believes for a moment
33:54
Speaker 1: that Baldwin meant to shoot Helena hutchins 's never been
33:58
Speaker 1: on the table. Then why keep the cell phone and
34:04
Speaker 1: not hand it over? What were his immediate texts? Who
34:08
Speaker 1: did he call? Can they tell us what Baldwin was
34:12
Speaker 1: saying in the immediate aftermath of Elena hutchins shooting death?
34:18
Speaker 1: What is the response? What does the ballistics report show
34:23
Speaker 1: not on a facimile, but on the actual weapon itself.
34:29
Speaker 1: Is Baldwin's statement even possible? Is it? Is it possible
34:38
Speaker 1: that what he's saying happened did happen? And if he
34:43
Speaker 1: is telling the truth to you, doctor Jerry Crawsen, I
34:47
Speaker 1: think he would get a lot more respect if he
34:49
Speaker 1: said I did it, I didn't mean to do it,
34:54
Speaker 1: it was an accident. Do you notice how he shifted?
34:58
Speaker 1: He admitted, you know, like no guilt. But then in
35:01
Speaker 1: his quote from Buddha, it talks about feel no shame.
35:05
Speaker 1: Guilt is personal, shame is public. You look at what
35:08
Speaker 1: he's doing now. He's doing everything public to downplay or
35:13
Speaker 1: alleviate his shame. He's an actor and he's doing a
35:16
Speaker 1: good job. Look at the pictures they put out an Halloween.
35:21
Speaker 1: You know, if like now it's in a recovery mode
35:25
Speaker 1: of his persona. In the public much has been made
35:29
Speaker 1: of an embrace shared by Alec Baldwin with the husband
35:36
Speaker 1: Matthew Hutchins. Take a listen to our cut four in
35:39
Speaker 1: Our Friend Hoda at NBC. Alec Baldwin called you afterwards
35:45
Speaker 1: and it was an embrace and a meal. Well, tell
35:50
Speaker 1: me what that was like. Well, I feel like to
35:53
Speaker 1: understand that moment, you have to remember the shock we
35:56
Speaker 1: were in and I spoke with mister Baldwin and was
36:00
Speaker 1: just looking for a way through the storm. Was did
36:03
Speaker 1: he seem distraught during that time? There are a lot
36:05
Speaker 1: of emotions, for sure, on both sides. Hutchins, who's filed
36:09
Speaker 1: a civil suit against Baldwin and other producers and crew
36:12
Speaker 1: members on the film, now expressing outrage with Baldwin's recent
36:16
Speaker 1: interview where he says the actor shifted blame over the
36:19
Speaker 1: death of his wife, Helena. I feel that someone is
36:24
Speaker 1: responsible for what happened, and I can't see who that is,
36:28
Speaker 1: but I know it's not me. But watching him, I
36:31
Speaker 1: just felt so angry, just so angry to see him
36:35
Speaker 1: talk about her death so publicly in such a detailed way,
36:39
Speaker 1: and then to not accept any responsibility after having just
36:44
Speaker 1: described killing her. And here is more of Helena's husband,
36:49
Speaker 1: the father of their child, our cut one in one
36:53
Speaker 1: sitting and speaking to our friend Hoda at NBC. When
36:57
Speaker 1: do you miss her the most? I saw a picture
37:01
Speaker 1: of her smiling the other day and I just thought,
37:05
Speaker 1: you know, she'll never smile again, and that's really hard.
37:10
Speaker 1: I didn't know her, but I know you loved her.
37:13
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a parent sitting across from you in
37:15
Speaker 1: this moment when you first met Helena? Was it? Wow?
37:20
Speaker 1: Was it like fireworks? What was it like? Pretty much?
37:23
Speaker 1: Was it? You knew right away? It was pretty magical
37:28
Speaker 1: meeting her. It was love at first sight. Matt Hutchins
37:31
Speaker 1: traveling two thousand miles to Ukraine, Helena's native country, to propose,
37:36
Speaker 1: getting engaged only three months after they met. Well, I
37:42
Speaker 1: like to trust my intuition on matters of the heart.
37:45
Speaker 1: And I was like, well, I can just get on
37:48
Speaker 1: a train and go two thousand miles and get there.
37:50
Speaker 1: That's what love does. Wow. And it was along the
37:54
Speaker 1: way where I decided to propose, and I got that
37:56
Speaker 1: on my knees. Let's get married. And now he's focused
38:00
Speaker 1: on dealing with Alec Baldwin's statements in the press and
38:06
Speaker 1: cryptic Buddhist quotes about the truth or a partial truth.
38:12
Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure what he's trying to say, and
38:15
Speaker 1: working on what we call is a recree. Tell me
38:19
Speaker 1: alexis terres Chuck, what does the recreation show? So it
38:25
Speaker 1: is you would almost call it an animated video, and
38:27
Speaker 1: it shows. It starts off showing the church, which was
38:31
Speaker 1: the set that they were filming on, and it's an
38:33
Speaker 1: old Western movie and it shows it from the outside
38:36
Speaker 1: and then you go inside and it shows of character,
38:39
Speaker 1: a person that's clearly Alex Baldwin being handed a gun
38:43
Speaker 1: and this is by Dave Halls, who was the assistant
38:47
Speaker 1: director and he but he is not the armorer. Remember
38:51
Speaker 1: that the woman who was the armor who was in
38:53
Speaker 1: charge of all the weapons, was kept outside of the
38:56
Speaker 1: buildings because of COVID protocol, so she was there she
39:00
Speaker 1: gave it to him. The person the character hands Baldwin
39:05
Speaker 1: a gun, he is seen tucking it into a holster
39:09
Speaker 1: inside his costume, which is like a jacket and a shirt,
39:14
Speaker 1: and then it shows him pulling it out and then
39:17
Speaker 1: it bangs and you hear it's an actual very loud
39:20
Speaker 1: bang and you see a burst of fire, and then
39:25
Speaker 1: she grabs herself and there's a noise and then shows
39:29
Speaker 1: her falling to the ground. To you, doctor Michel Dupree
39:32
Speaker 1: joining us princy pathologist form a medical examiner and author,
39:37
Speaker 1: how does a recreation a recreate and I know you've
39:39
Speaker 1: looked at it. How does that help the case? And
39:44
Speaker 1: what do you think of the recreation as it fits
39:47
Speaker 1: or doesn't fit with the injuries that we know of, Nancy,
39:51
Speaker 1: This is a very good thing to do so that
39:53
Speaker 1: we can tell the trajectories. We can, as you said,
39:56
Speaker 1: verify the stories of what people saw or didn't see.
39:58
Speaker 1: And in this case, I think it actually helps us
40:01
Speaker 1: understand where Helena was hit and how she was hit.
40:05
Speaker 1: Um it verifies most of that as as far as
40:09
Speaker 1: I can tell, and it also helps us get a
40:11
Speaker 1: better understanding of what might have been going through each
40:14
Speaker 1: Prussian's mind at the time this actually happened. Alex, you
40:20
Speaker 1: have reported to me that there are plans to enlarge
40:24
Speaker 1: the Baldwin family. There is a blind item on a
40:27
Speaker 1: gossip website that says that the family is consider that
40:32
Speaker 1: they're considering having more children. The commenters are saying that
40:36
Speaker 1: it is Hilaria Baldwin and they are they already have
40:40
Speaker 1: six children's and the blind item claims that this family
40:44
Speaker 1: is planning to expand their brew to take to distract
40:48
Speaker 1: from the attention which everybody in every industry, whether you're
40:52
Speaker 1: a politician, whether you're an actor, or you know the
40:55
Speaker 1: CEO of a big business, you always use something for distraction.
40:59
Speaker 1: So this could cause be something that would distract having
41:02
Speaker 1: a seventh baby. Yes, take a listen now to our
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Speaker 1: cut two. In this is Helena's husband speaking to Hoodah
41:10
Speaker 1: that ring he gave Helena he now wears. Matt and
41:13
Speaker 1: Helena were happily married for sixteen years, raising a loving son.
41:18
Speaker 1: There was a picture that struck me so deeply, and
41:21
Speaker 1: it was she and andros knows to knows. And when
41:27
Speaker 1: I saw that, I thought that's pure. She just felt
41:30
Speaker 1: that connection and just loved him so much. And Helena
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Speaker 1: calling every night from the Rust movie set to wish
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Speaker 1: him good night. What were their conversations like, Well, they
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Speaker 1: would get on video and you know, she would just
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Speaker 1: do everything that she could as a mom to reassure him.
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Speaker 1: You just give him kisses And how did that make
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Speaker 1: him feel when he saw her on video like that.
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Speaker 1: I think it helped him get to sleep every night,
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Speaker 1: knowing that she was thinking about him. I feel like
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Speaker 1: in life, we expect certain things to happen. We expect
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Speaker 1: the sun to rise, we expect the sun to set,
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Speaker 1: and we expect our loved one to come home at night. Well,
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Speaker 1: I certainly expected her to come home and to be
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Speaker 1: there with us in our new home. We wait as
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Speaker 1: just as sun falls. Nancy Grace Crumb's story signing off
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Speaker 1: Goodbye Friend,