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Candice and Jordan of Be Old Later on Traveling the Pan-American in a 1997 Mitsubishi Delica · The Overland Journal Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the Overland Journal podcast. This is
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  Speaker 1: Ashley Jordano, senior editor at Overland Journal and Expedition Portal,
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  Speaker 1: Guys drove down from Squamish Swamish PC Menior in our
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  Speaker 1: ninety seven Misubishi Delica, and you also took that vehicle
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  Speaker 1: from is It Squamish to Shwaya.
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  Speaker 3: Vancouver to tuk Tikta down to actually.
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  Speaker 4: Starting in Overland expos in twenty eighteen is where we
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  Speaker 4: initially started our journey.
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  Speaker 5: Amazingack went all.
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  Speaker 4: The way to the top, yup, all the way the
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  Speaker 4: top through the Canadian Way, and then all the way
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  Speaker 4: to the bottom. Skipped a couple parts because we have
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  Speaker 4: a right hand drive, but otherwise and there's restrictions in
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  Speaker 4: some countries, but otherwise, yeah, then all the way to
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  Speaker 4: the bottom of South America.
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  Speaker 1: So how did you deal with the steering wheel restrictions
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  Speaker 1: right hand drive.
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  Speaker 6: We basically just shipped around Costa Rica. Okay, I had
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  Speaker 6: to ship it out of Guatemala, Like our time schedule
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  Speaker 6: was like a little short in the middle. So we
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  Speaker 6: were like we had been to Costa Rica before and
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  Speaker 6: was like, yeah, we'll ship out of there. We had
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  Speaker 6: heard that El Salvador was sketchy for right hand drive.
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  Speaker 6: We had heard that Nicaragua could be like on the
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  Speaker 6: southern border but re entering. Yeah, so like if you
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  Speaker 6: got turned back from Costa Rica, maybe you would have
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  Speaker 6: to like get stuck between borders.
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  Speaker 5: Happened to a guy.
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  Speaker 4: He had to put his truck on like a flatbed
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  Speaker 4: and then pay for that and then paid a ship
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  Speaker 4: to Columbia.
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  Speaker 5: Oh wow, so like triple threat right there.
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  Speaker 4: So we there was a chance like we could have
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  Speaker 4: maybe maneuvered something where it looked like our steering wheel
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  Speaker 4: was on the other side or distracted, like the border
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  Speaker 4: with a big bowl of fruit, and like just tried
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  Speaker 4: to talk to them.
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  Speaker 5: Like don't look in the front, but it was too.
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  Speaker 4: Risky, too sketchy, and if people did pull you over
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  Speaker 4: in certain place places where that wasn't allowed, you just
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  Speaker 4: have to keep like you know, bribing or keep talking
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  Speaker 4: or get impounded or get like yeah, good to avoid.
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  Speaker 4: We actually found out about that rule at a Tahoe event.
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  Speaker 6: There was like a Tahoe van event or some bob
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  Speaker 6: who does all the recovery stuff. He was like, oh,
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  Speaker 6: you guys are not going to be able to drive through.
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  Speaker 6: I think he told us maybe Nicaragua, and we were like,
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  Speaker 6: oh man, we should look that up. And then yeah,
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  Speaker 6: it turned out to be coastreet.
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  Speaker 4: It's a fun fact and we're like, okay. We initially
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  Speaker 4: didn't buy the Delica for this trip. We bought the
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  Speaker 4: Delica for just like let's camp riise this, take this on,
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  Speaker 4: like go for reel driving on the weekends, like just
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  Speaker 4: do like weekend stuff because we were working full time.
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  Speaker 5: But then it turned into the trip. Like oh and
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  Speaker 5: we when we.
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  Speaker 4: Were like hiking up to get married on the summit
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  Speaker 4: of the Grand Titans, we were just kind of like
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  Speaker 4: we just had this like aha moment, like we.
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  Speaker 5: Should just do like a really big trip.
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  Speaker 4: So when we got the Deli, it wasn't initially for
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  Speaker 4: Pan American Highway. I feel like if we had that
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  Speaker 4: initial idea before buying a car, we would have been interesting. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: so it just kind of into that, and a lot
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  Speaker 4: of people with right hand and drives, like Costa Rica's
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  Speaker 4: outlawed that stuff since twenty thirteen.
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  Speaker 5: It's just been kind of you either get lucky or
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  Speaker 5: you take a risk, or you don't. So gotcha.
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  Speaker 1: So you used what you had to do the trip
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  Speaker 1: exactly awesome.
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  Speaker 4: And then the logistics unraveled themselves, like okay, well now
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  Speaker 4: you got a ship from Guatemala or somewhere that's possible.
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  Speaker 4: And I think we were like maybe the first handful of.
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  Speaker 3: People, maybe third group. Well, I mean, I'm sure people
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  Speaker 3: have done it.
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  Speaker 6: Alan Jomena were a little ahead of us, and they
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  Speaker 6: had done it in Adelica, shipped it over and gave
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  Speaker 6: us all their information and then like we did a
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  Speaker 6: giant type up of it, asked that to people after us.
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  Speaker 6: So like now there's like becoming like Guatemala to Columbia route,
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  Speaker 6: so that shipping.
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  Speaker 5: Companies probably like, please don't tell any more people. You
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  Speaker 5: can't do that. It's not organized. We literally got to
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  Speaker 5: that shipping place and he's.
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  Speaker 4: Like, you have fifteen minutes to get your stuff together
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  Speaker 4: and then you have to go to the port.
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  Speaker 5: You did not say that on the phone.
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  Speaker 1: So you guys are originally from the US, is that right?
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  Speaker 1: But you've spent a lot of time living in Canada.
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  Speaker 1: Where did you get the vehicle from? Did you buy
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  Speaker 1: it an States? Do you buy in Canada?
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  Speaker 3: And that way Canada?
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  Speaker 6: In Vancouver there's the Delicas there a dime a dozen
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  Speaker 6: and the fifteen year import is the L four hundred
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  Speaker 6: like the newer models of course, so in Vancouver proper,
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  Speaker 6: even in Squamish, it's just like, oh, Delica, Delica, Delica.
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  Speaker 6: It's not like interesting anymore, like punch.
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  Speaker 5: Buggy, but punch Delica. Right, it was like punch dozen
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  Speaker 5: and no punchback.
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  Speaker 6: But then as soon as you go over the border
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  Speaker 6: into the state, the first gas station you're at like
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  Speaker 6: somebody's walking.
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  Speaker 4: Up and like that's right there, and then like twenty
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  Speaker 4: minute conversations with random people who don't know what the
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  Speaker 4: car is but yeah, no it's interesting or really comment
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  Speaker 4: up and you've probably seen them a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, West Coast on Vancouver Island. Oh yeah, tons
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  Speaker 1: of them as well.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, nice.
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  Speaker 1: And then so you guys decided to do this trip,
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  Speaker 1: did you? Were you like, we're gonna do the Pan
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  Speaker 1: American Highway or did you have other ideas about the
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  Speaker 1: big trip when you started talking about it.
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  Speaker 5: We had a couple other ideas.
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  Speaker 4: I've wanted to do, like a hike through the Great
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  Speaker 4: Divide Continental Divide, doing all of the US with the
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  Speaker 4: Continental Divide, and then going up into Canada doing the
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  Speaker 4: Great Divide. Like I would love to just be in
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  Speaker 4: the woods hiking for months at a time, just going
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  Speaker 4: from point A to point B.
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  Speaker 5: And that was that was my idea. And then like.
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  Speaker 6: Niking and stuff, like she was like, let's do a
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  Speaker 6: six month trail, and I was like, maybe we could
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  Speaker 6: do like a really long drive and do a lot
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  Speaker 6: of hiking on the drive. And I pitched it like, oh,
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  Speaker 6: we'll be like way more places. We'll get to do
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  Speaker 6: way more cool hikes instead of like boring sections of
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  Speaker 6: trails or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: I said. That was kind of like a good compromise.
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  Speaker 5: I think it was a good idea.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, just to see all those countries and just
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  Speaker 4: to be able to it was a great decision to
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  Speaker 4: go with that. And plus we're going to do some
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  Speaker 4: of the GDT this summer anyways, so I get what
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  Speaker 4: I want now. But yeah, so like we were literally climbing,
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  Speaker 4: hiking up to the ground like some of the Grand Teton.
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  Speaker 4: We just kept having these conversations because of course, like
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  Speaker 4: when you hike, you know, like conversations flowing. And we
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  Speaker 4: were just about to get married, so just like a
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  Speaker 4: lot of things were just coming up, and it was like,
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  Speaker 4: let's do something big, like this is the time to
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  Speaker 4: do it. Don't wait, set our goals, let's figure out
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  Speaker 4: how we can get to this point at like this
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  Speaker 4: point of our lives, like how much money needs of
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  Speaker 4: just all that stuff in the beginning, and that was
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  Speaker 4: like the big conversation of the hyke.
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  Speaker 5: Then we literally tied the knot.
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  Speaker 4: Of our harnesses figuratively and like what we actually did
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  Speaker 4: at the top of the Grantee Dome. We got married
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  Speaker 4: by who is now our friend, but he was a
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  Speaker 4: climbing guide who was also ordained by the Church of Dude,
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  Speaker 4: which is the big Lebowski church.
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  Speaker 5: And he's like, I'm pretty sure this is official, Like
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  Speaker 5: this is fine.
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  Speaker 3: Pretty legit, and we're like, oh yeah, it looks super legit.
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  Speaker 5: We literally got to the top. I had a good
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  Speaker 5: weather window.
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  Speaker 4: He think he had like a little he had a
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  Speaker 4: cap gun for us to shoot Jordan didn't have a
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  Speaker 4: real mullet at that time. He had a mullet wig
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  Speaker 4: and then I had like a little like weird like
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  Speaker 4: makeshift veil and we got married on top of there,
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  Speaker 4: and yeah, conversations just about the trip rolled out of that.
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  Speaker 4: After we were done getting married, we kind of just
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  Speaker 4: like focused on how we're going to make that trip happen.
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  Speaker 1: Did you see other people online doing the trip?
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  Speaker 5: Is that what sparked?
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  Speaker 1: Did you?
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  Speaker 5: Were you just aware of it?
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  Speaker 6: I mean we'd seen you guys's trip. Probably when we
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  Speaker 6: started researching the Pan American we lived in New Zealand
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  Speaker 6: for a while and saw like all kinds of crazy
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  Speaker 6: vans over there, and we're like, oh, these are also
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  Speaker 6: when you saw people like Chilean plates and like places
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  Speaker 6: we had traveled, and like in Patagonia we had been before,
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  Speaker 6: and we're like, oh, what are these like crazy vehicles?
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  Speaker 6: You know, And like I was probably in like the
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  Speaker 6: twenty twelve time, first time we saw people like really
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  Speaker 6: going for it in vehicles. And we had traveled into
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  Speaker 6: like a super U with like a platform in the
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  Speaker 6: back of it for a while, nothing that we would
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  Speaker 6: consider like overlanding. We're just like Oh, we're just traveling
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  Speaker 6: for months, you know, in the Super.
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  Speaker 4: Three months in the States, living on a like sleeping
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  Speaker 4: in a platform that was like two inches from the ceiling.
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  Speaker 4: So if you got up suddenly, just you learned real
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  Speaker 4: quick that you don't have a lot of space, Like
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  Speaker 4: good night, Mary, be like oh God in my face.
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  Speaker 6: Well yeah, Like as soon as you start researching like
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  Speaker 6: long vehicle travel, you're like, oh, Pan Americans, like the
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  Speaker 6: longest route. You see all the other people doing it, Like, yeah,
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  Speaker 6: we saw you guys. There's land Delicas overland in the
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  Speaker 6: Americas of mountains and beaches. A dude from you know
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  Speaker 6: those guys, Yeah, they had a Delica And I was like, whoa,
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  Speaker 6: this is crazy. Like we actually met that at MEC
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  Speaker 6: like right after we're driving by, and I was like,
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  Speaker 6: oh wow, I know that Delica and we like stocked
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  Speaker 6: them down in history.
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  Speaker 3: Love where you've done.
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  Speaker 5: I love when that happened. I know I too.
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  Speaker 4: And then when it happens to you, like you just
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  Speaker 4: like you just want to pay it forward. But yeah,
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  Speaker 4: but it's one of those things like if people have questions,
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  Speaker 4: you just want to just like any advice you can
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  Speaker 4: give anything, just like motivate them, inspire them.
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  Speaker 5: So yeah, you guys.
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  Speaker 4: Did it for us, and like over then the Americas
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  Speaker 4: and a couple others and then we just kind of, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Formed our goals, figured out a bit of a plan.
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  Speaker 1: What did you learn from the platform and the Subaru
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  Speaker 1: that you like applied to your next build?
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  Speaker 5: That was very small? Yeah, I just wanted to be
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  Speaker 5: bigger than that. And it was very hot.
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  Speaker 6: It's super capable, and like it had ac in it,
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  Speaker 6: which was nice, but like oh nice, yeah, like it
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  Speaker 6: was what it was definitely small and how we had
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  Speaker 6: it loaded. We were just like we moved out of
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  Speaker 6: a place and we were just kind of like no
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  Speaker 6: end to point, just like traveling across the states with
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  Speaker 6: like kind of too much stuff in it too, you know.
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  Speaker 6: So like if occasionally we camp in like you know,
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  Speaker 6: a neighborhood and you have like the Subaru with like
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  Speaker 6: all this trash on top of it, that like we
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  Speaker 6: pull out so we could sleep and like on the
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  Speaker 6: roof rack and like tucked under the car.
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  Speaker 5: Just like not stealthy, no, super obvious.
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  Speaker 3: And we thought we were you know, we thought we
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  Speaker 3: were like a window covers.
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  Speaker 4: No, it was like reflected so obvious, like Okay, someone's
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  Speaker 4: clearly sleeping in there and just like fogged up windows. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: we learned like we want more space. We slept in
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  Speaker 4: the tent a lot too, because it was way too hot.
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  Speaker 4: We want minimalist stuff with us. We want to be organized.
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  Speaker 4: Organization is like not very good on that trip we did.
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  Speaker 5: And we also.
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  Speaker 4: Wanted like four by four capability because there was some
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  Speaker 4: instances when we're trying to go to like I think
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  Speaker 4: it was like the south rim of the Grand Canyon. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: we almost got stuck in the middle of nowhere with
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  Speaker 4: no one else around. We want something that's a bit
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  Speaker 4: higher clearance. That's when we realized like we definitely want
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  Speaker 4: to do more four by four off roading. It taught
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  Speaker 4: us a lot, but it was like our first i'd say,
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  Speaker 4: like three months just like going around it was really fun.
• 10:40
  Speaker 5: It's hard to have the dog in there.
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  Speaker 4: Too, there's not a lot of space, right at least
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  Speaker 4: we had ac though in the van. He was just like,
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  Speaker 4: I'm so hot, guys, I can't handle Mexico.
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  Speaker 5: We need to swim every ten minute.
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  Speaker 1: What was your dog's name and what kind of dog
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  Speaker 1: were you traveling with?
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  Speaker 5: Nugget he's a border CALLIMX. He's the best. He's a sweetheart.
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  Speaker 1: How was it traveling with a dog along the Pan
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  Speaker 1: American Highway.
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  Speaker 4: In the Big I would say the north was pretty great.
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  Speaker 4: It was nice and cool. He didn't get super hot
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  Speaker 4: all the time. Like we have a fan and stuff
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  Speaker 4: in the Delica, so like that helps, but in more
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  Speaker 4: space for him. But we were just concentrating on like trails,
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  Speaker 4: we're concentrating on just being outside ninety nine percent of
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  Speaker 4: the time unless it was like super rainy or whatever,
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  Speaker 4: so we'd always be outside. So just to have him there.
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  Speaker 4: He's just been so many places, like our parents are
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  Speaker 4: like that dog's been more places than we've been and
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  Speaker 4: he has. It's like it was great to have him
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  Speaker 4: and he's but he's not a guard dog or anything.
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  Speaker 4: He's a guard dog to like people we like and
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  Speaker 4: our friends. But if like crazy people want to come
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  Speaker 4: and break into the van, he's like, oh, they're probably fine,
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  Speaker 4: and he like wouldn't bark.
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  Speaker 5: Then the worst judgment, terrible judgment.
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  Speaker 1: On a dog, Like I love everybody.
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  Speaker 3: Except your friends.
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  Speaker 6: All your friends know someone he'd be like, oh, I'm
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  Speaker 6: gonna market them for sure, but like just some random
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  Speaker 6: person like scouting around your vehicle or something.
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  Speaker 3: He's like, oh, I seemed legit.
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  Speaker 4: But then when he just wants to say hi really loud,
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  Speaker 4: that's all we would say. He's like, oh, he's just
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  Speaker 4: saying hi really loud to you. Just pat him, you'll
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  Speaker 4: be fine.
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  Speaker 5: He won't bite you. Yeah, it was great to have
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  Speaker 5: him in the North and in the States.
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  Speaker 4: When we got through into Mexico, it was very hot, right,
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  Speaker 4: So having a dog with no a c you're focusing
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  Speaker 4: every day and where are we swimming?
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  Speaker 5: Focusing on the dog basically like not dying in the car.
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  Speaker 3: Just like, never leave him in the North.
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  Speaker 6: If you had to leave him for you know, an
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  Speaker 6: hour or something in the van, throw the fan on,
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  Speaker 6: you could like go into a restaurant and stuff. He's
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  Speaker 6: like super at home in the van and just chills
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  Speaker 6: and he's like this smice safe spot.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 6: It was like perfect temperature. Mexico is like you never
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  Speaker 6: leave Wars with you anywhere.
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  Speaker 4: He can't go to the ruins, he can go a
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  Speaker 4: lot of stuff. So like there's a lot of restrictions
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  Speaker 4: having a pet with you. So then in Mexico we
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  Speaker 4: decided we were gonna beg our parents to see if
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  Speaker 4: they would watch him for the rest of our trip,
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  Speaker 4: and Jordan's parents were amazing enough to be.
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  Speaker 1: Like, yeah, bring them up, let's figure this out.
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  Speaker 5: So we actually left the van in Cancun and we
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  Speaker 5: flew for Christmas.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Christmas. Yeah. We flew from Kancun to to Atlanta.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and then we got like a rental car and
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  Speaker 4: drove down to his family in Pensacol, Florida with Nugget.
• 12:55
  Speaker 5: Who we did give doggy drugs too to be on
• 12:57
  Speaker 5: a plane. He's not a good idea, babe works for
• 12:59
  Speaker 5: some dog. But we went to like some rendom that
• 13:01
  Speaker 5: it was like, yeah.
• 13:02
  Speaker 3: Just give him this, it'll be totally fine, and we're like, okay.
• 13:04
  Speaker 4: He like couldn't open up his eyes for like eight hours.
• 13:07
  Speaker 4: We had to like carry him down the stairs. Probably
• 13:10
  Speaker 4: didn't look very good at an airport. Fine, eventually it
• 13:13
  Speaker 4: just peed a couple of times uncontrollably, but it's all good.
• 13:16
  Speaker 4: So I don't recommend giving your dog doggy drugs for
• 13:18
  Speaker 4: an airplane, but at least we could bring him on
• 13:19
  Speaker 4: the plane with us at that point.
• 13:21
  Speaker 5: That was easy.
• 13:21
  Speaker 6: So yeah, I mean, at that point it was like
• 13:23
  Speaker 6: Mexico was kind of the point of no return because
• 13:25
  Speaker 6: like if we pushed further south that he was going
• 13:27
  Speaker 6: to be We thought we'd take like a sailboat across
• 13:29
  Speaker 6: the Darien Gap if we had him with us instead
• 13:30
  Speaker 6: of flying, so that would eliminate a plane flight. But
• 13:32
  Speaker 6: like on the way back, we were going to ship
• 13:34
  Speaker 6: the van back. How do you get him back from
• 13:35
  Speaker 6: you know, like South America or it's going to hopefully
• 13:38
  Speaker 6: you could still do like the yesay kind of situation
• 13:41
  Speaker 6: and like bring him on with you or you just
• 13:43
  Speaker 6: have to like throw him in a cargo.
• 13:44
  Speaker 3: And at that time he was thirteen years old. He's
• 13:46
  Speaker 3: twelve twelve with thirteen.
• 13:48
  Speaker 4: So yeah, it didn't want to put him in a cargo, right,
• 13:50
  Speaker 4: So it was it was definitely a big decision and
• 13:52
  Speaker 4: a hard one. But like, he's way happier staying in
• 13:55
  Speaker 4: one place. He's not a travel dog. He loves routine.
• 13:57
  Speaker 4: That was like probably the worst thing for him. New
• 14:00
  Speaker 4: people every day, new places. Oh my god, him always
• 14:02
  Speaker 4: on my toe, is what do I have to do
• 14:04
  Speaker 4: to guard these people? And then when he was at
• 14:06
  Speaker 4: Jordan's parents' house and then also my parents' house, he
• 14:08
  Speaker 4: was like, oh, I have my backyard, I can chase
• 14:10
  Speaker 4: the deer every day, Like this is perfect.
• 14:13
  Speaker 5: So it's hard.
• 14:14
  Speaker 1: It's hard to make that decision, I'm sure as dog owners,
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: because you obviously want to be with him all the time,
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: but you realized that this was a better place for
• 14:21
  Speaker 1: him to be for the time being, and.
• 14:22
  Speaker 5: It changes your trip.
• 14:23
  Speaker 4: Now you have time to climb, You have time to
• 14:25
  Speaker 4: do those mountains, you have time to climb those volcanos.
• 14:27
  Speaker 4: You have time to do all of these things that
• 14:29
  Speaker 4: you couldn't really do when you had Nugget. But if
• 14:31
  Speaker 4: you found like a couple or another bunch of friends
• 14:33
  Speaker 4: on a trip like this, which like you guys did too,
• 14:35
  Speaker 4: with a bunch of people, and if they had dogs,
• 14:38
  Speaker 4: you could be like, okay, let's do a trade off.
• 14:39
  Speaker 4: You watch the dogs, we're going to go hike this
• 14:41
  Speaker 4: and then we'll switch the next day. So that's like
• 14:44
  Speaker 4: I feel like that's the way a lot of our
• 14:45
  Speaker 4: friends with dogs did it.
• 14:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so it's possible.
• 14:47
  Speaker 6: It is super fulfilling to have them with you, you know,
• 14:49
  Speaker 6: I mean, he's like your family member. It's a different
• 14:52
  Speaker 6: trip and it's more complicated, but it's definitely rewarding and like, yeah,
• 14:54
  Speaker 6: it's definitely worth I.
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: Think one of the things that I admire about you
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: guys the most is your ability to you get away
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: from the vehicle and you're super active, like always hiking
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: or climbing or like seeing the back country of all
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: these slaices. Did you learn how was this something that
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: developed over time or did the trip inspire to do
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: more of those activities? Like how did you start out there?
• 15:16
  Speaker 6: The trip was like pitched does like we're going to
• 15:19
  Speaker 6: use the vehicle to like go hike and climb in
• 15:21
  Speaker 6: as many places as we can.
• 15:23
  Speaker 5: That was the basis of the trip.
• 15:24
  Speaker 4: So that was like the main thing, just to see
• 15:27
  Speaker 4: these countries, see the hikes, do all of those like
• 15:29
  Speaker 4: as many mountains as we could do.
• 15:31
  Speaker 5: Like the van was is amazing. We love the van.
• 15:33
  Speaker 5: That's our home.
• 15:34
  Speaker 4: It was the vehicle to get us to those trailheads,
• 15:37
  Speaker 4: to get us to those hard to get two places right, and.
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: We did some like tracks and stuff in the van.
• 15:41
  Speaker 6: But it's not like the most four wheel drive capable,
• 15:43
  Speaker 6: you know, off roady vehicle. So like most of the
• 15:45
  Speaker 6: times we'd be like, oh we want to do something
• 15:47
  Speaker 6: in this area, we'd go hike instead of like off
• 15:49
  Speaker 6: road that would kind of be our general choice, or
• 15:51
  Speaker 6: like backpacking for a.
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: Few days or something.
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: Did you have areas where you felt like they were
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: your absolute favorites, or any hikes or climbs that you
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: absolutely loved.
• 15:59
  Speaker 6: Yeah, we had like a new bucket list. Things are
• 16:01
  Speaker 6: like for the tripp or like we want to climb Cotopaxi. Yeah,
• 16:04
  Speaker 6: and we did that, which was sweet. It was like
• 16:05
  Speaker 6: the worst weather.
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: Like being inside of like a was it ping pong
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: ball had a deal. I would say tennis ball. That's
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: not the way to say its tennis. Yeah, still counts
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: pretty darker. It was gnarly like, but we wanted We
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: always wanted to climb Cotopaxi, so it was just like
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: weather window, whatever we can get. We found like local
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: slash not really local guide who tried to meet us,
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: and he was like at a roundabout and we were
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: apparently supposed to pick him up, but that wasn't communicated
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: to us, so we drove right past him and then
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: he had to hitch a ride from like this roundabout
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: into the park, which took a really long time. So
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: he was already upset when we first met him. And
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: then he's like we're having lunch, and we're like, okay,
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: that's fine, let's just all have a giant lunch together
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: before we climb this. But yeah, so at first it
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: was kind of a bit unraveling, like, oh god, how
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: is this going to be? But he ended up being
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: like this amazing guy, just absolutely incredible, very a lot
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: of experience. Like everyone who knew him, like at the
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: lodge at the bottom of Cotopaxi called him Maestro, like
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: Master Ture, basically like he was the master. And the
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: weather was so bad the mourning of our climb that
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: the other groups that were supposed to do the mountain,
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: they're like, we're going to wait it out. We're going
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: to wait it out. Our guy, the Maestro, He's like,
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: I think you guys can do it.
• 17:11
  Speaker 5: Let's go for it.
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: He basically kickstepped the whole way. It was like some
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: of the most snow and rain that they have had.
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we didn't use crampons.
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: We didn't use crampons, snowing, just kicking into the snow.
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: He kickstepped every single step on the route that he knew.
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: So all the other groups basically followed in his footsteps
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: and they were just like so thankful, like, oh, we're
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: not going.
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: To lose money from these people. We can take them
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: up to the mountain. But yeah, he's amazing.
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: We get to the top and we get a little
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: bit of a view you can see like into like
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: the caldera or whatever of the volcano.
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: Or're just like this is incredible.
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: But it was something we'd always wanted to climb, and
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: we're just like this is the best, and we wanted
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: to guide for it because we have climb mountains on
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: our own for sure, when there's always like movement of glaciers,
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: movement of crevasses, different times of year, like mountains are
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: always changing, so why not find a local guide and
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: then you have like a new friend.
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: But then we have to you can finish the story
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: if you want.
• 18:02
  Speaker 6: I think we would have turned back without him, probably
• 18:04
  Speaker 6: just because like we didn't know that mountain well and
• 18:05
  Speaker 6: it was like literally white out raining and we're just
• 18:08
  Speaker 6: like this is terrible, and like every hour he'd stop
• 18:10
  Speaker 6: and be like we should probably turn back now, let's
• 18:12
  Speaker 6: give it another ten minutes, and like every hour for
• 18:14
  Speaker 6: like six hours the summer mornings, like this is great.
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: Have a little bit of water, a couple of M
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: and ms, let's go a little further, a little bit further,
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: a little bit further.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: And that peak is notoriously shy. I remember that from
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: being there. And the other thing is it erupts from
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: time to well, it's sword aft can't Yeah, it's active.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: I'm sure he had a lot on his mind, for sure.
• 18:33
  Speaker 6: We get down and we're like so tired. We're just like, okay,
• 18:36
  Speaker 6: maybe we'll like take a little nap and then go out,
• 18:38
  Speaker 6: and he was like, no, we should just go. So
• 18:39
  Speaker 6: we had some food, went down to the van. It started,
• 18:41
  Speaker 6: which was good, a ton of smoke because it was
• 18:43
  Speaker 6: parked the high Yeah. And then we had agreed to
• 18:47
  Speaker 6: take him back home so he didn't have to like
• 18:49
  Speaker 6: ride back because he was kind of bummed about our
• 18:50
  Speaker 6: inner first interaction, you know. So we were like, yeah,
• 18:52
  Speaker 6: we'll take you home.
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: Where do you live? And he's like, oh rio bamba
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: and it's like four hours away.
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: Were like, we're so tired, we're so be Immediately we
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: get in the van with him. He sat in the front,
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: I sat in the back, like we have seats in
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: the back. Both passed out immediately and poor Jordan had
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: to drive him all the way to his house, just
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: like and then we're in real Bamba. We're like, oh
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: my god, we need to sleep somewhere. It was so
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: bad it cascades into another story. But yeah, that was
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: one of our favorite hikes.
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: I was going to say, like Peru and stuff.
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: Peru was incredible.
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: Way Wash, Waywash was the longest we've been backpacking, eight
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: days on our own, no help.
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: That was awesome.
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: Organizing that food and whatever food that was very interesting.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: What did you learn from that? Do you have any
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: great like backpacking food packing tips?
• 19:33
  Speaker 6: No, shaking his head, like we were like, man, maybe
• 19:36
  Speaker 6: we could find some hydrated food somewhere.
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: No.
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we brought like apples, anything we could call.
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: Heavy heavy stuff and rationing your stuff out. The last
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: day we had like a Snickers bar and like four
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: Oreo cookies and we had to hikes two high passes
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: and hours on the last day and it was hot,
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: so we'd be like, as soon as we get to
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: the top of that hill, we each get a bite
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: of the Oreo cookie, so we would just like rationing
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: it off by hill and then like our stuff, our
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: food was gone like so quickly, but we made it out,
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: but definitely ration learning rationing a lot better, but it's heavy.
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: So when you.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: Guys were at Koda paxi is at where you did
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: some volunteering or was that Chimborazo's.
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: Just after that?
• 20:15
  Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I mean, I guess we volunteered a few
• 20:17
  Speaker 6: times on the trip with like Funch the mural that
• 20:20
  Speaker 6: Kendice pant and stuff was like literally the day we
• 20:22
  Speaker 6: got to Rio Bomba dropped him off. We like found
• 20:24
  Speaker 6: a spot on Ioverlander. The places we tried, we're like, no,
• 20:27
  Speaker 6: I can't stay here.
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: All said no, and we were like, we're so tired.
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: We went we ate like a pizza each and then
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: we just kept like talking to places and like yeah,
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: it was all no, no, no in the town. So
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: then we found one place that was like a bit
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: outside of town and that ended up being Castillo del Toura.
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: And we get there and it's like.
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: The most amazing people that we like, some of the
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: most amazing family that we'd met. They own a farm
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: of guinea pigs. They have cows obviously eat the guinea pigs.
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: We all know that now. Yes, yeah, they had a
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: farm and they had a place for overlanders and showers
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: everything just like a little ranch with like all this land,
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: we get there, we're so tired, ash I can't even
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: tell you how tired we were. And you know how
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: it is when you first meet people and then you
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: have a car and it's like.
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: Oh my do is talk to you about everything?
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: And we're like I don't even know how. We're speaking
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: words right now, mostly in Spanish, all in Spanish, hard Spanish.
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: After your brain today, John was like, I'm.
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: Not talking to anyone, and so I was like, now
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: I gotta get it together. Meeting them for the first time.
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: I gonna be staying at their place. So we're just
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: like talking in Spanish and like my brain is mush,
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: but I can do this. And then we get to
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: his front of his house and there's a big wall
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: that's just painted like this orange color.
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: And I'm an artist.
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: His name is Juan, and he's like, I've always wanted
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: a mural right here, and I was like, oh, I
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: paint murals, like I've painted stuff before.
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: He's like, oh my god, this is destiny.
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: So that turned into us being there for about five,
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: six seven days painting this mural with the help of
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: you know, his kid, like this kid who lived in
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: the back, like that family and just like we just
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: was at one point, I think we had like six
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: people on it painting it, and it was this awesome experience.
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: They fed us so much meat, delicious beers and all
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: of these things, and we ended up spend in Carnival
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: with them eating guinea pigs around their dinner table with
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: like all of his family, which turned into just this
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: amazing drunken evening where I'm drawing caricatures of everyone like
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: on their chests and sharpie crazy hoo.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: Azool came out.
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Barazool was like basically like nail polish remover, but
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: an alcohol that you drink. I don't know how it
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: didn't melk the water bottle or the bathtub it was
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: made in. We all like passed that around from like
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: Carnival and Ecuador and it was, Yeah, it was amazing,
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: But that was literally like a day. That same day
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: we climb go to backseat. We met these people and
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: it turned into a mural so much in a couple
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: of days, and you.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: Have a really special story about how you figured out
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: what to paint on the mural. I believe is that right,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: Like I had a lot of meaning to the owner.
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's like a big cyclist.
• 22:45
  Speaker 6: He always cycles in the area around and like Chimbrazo's
• 22:48
  Speaker 6: like he could probably ride his bike there easily, and
• 22:49
  Speaker 6: he's like, oh, I've always wanted to climate and stuff.
• 22:51
  Speaker 6: So he's like, I definitely want Chimborazo in it. And
• 22:53
  Speaker 6: then we were like, oh, we should put you on
• 22:55
  Speaker 6: a bicycle in it. Obviously bacunas and like all the
• 22:58
  Speaker 6: animals and plants like native stuff, like yeah, yeah, we'll
• 23:00
  Speaker 6: throw like an overlander in the front of it in
• 23:03
  Speaker 6: the image, and then like we'll throw our little van
• 23:05
  Speaker 6: like putting along a road or something like that.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 23:07
  Speaker 6: It was like kind of just like I think you
• 23:09
  Speaker 6: even sketched it out maybe that first night we were there,
• 23:12
  Speaker 6: so I.
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: Don't know how she was, Like it was like I
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: blacked out.
• 23:16
  Speaker 6: So like she sketched it out and like showed him.
• 23:17
  Speaker 6: He's like, oh, it's perfect, and well there it is,
• 23:19
  Speaker 6: I guess.
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: And then I hid ten Kuy's guinea pigs in it,
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: and I said ten, but I actually only put nine
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: in there. So he still thinks he can't find the
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: tenth one. So he tells all the travelers who come
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: and stay there, there's ten guinea pig like little hidden
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: guinea pigs in this you got to find the tenth one,
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: but I don't think anyone's found it yet. He probably
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: just drew one in just to like calm his mind.
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: But yeah, so that meant a lot to him when
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: he saw like him as a cartoon riding on.
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: His like bike. Was stoked on that.
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: And then yeah, we had to put I think Jordan
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: painted all the stickers from our roofbox on the Delica.
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: I'm like, I'm not doing that.
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: He's like, I'll do it.
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: So tiny, but yeah, it was. It was a wonderful time.
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: And that it's the whole slowing down, like that message
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: of like you don't need to go fast, you need
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: to slow down because that's when these stories happen and
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: that's when you meet some of the best people you'll meet.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: So and you guys did some other volunteer projects. I
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: think was it a drawing class for some kids?
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: Yes?
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Yes, where was that?
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: That was in Mexico.
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: It was an orphanage for kids and just also like
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: a school. It's just like a mix like whoever could
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: go and if kids didn't have the opportunity to go
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: to school, that'd be the place for them to be.
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: But yeah, we reached out. We're like, hey, we teach
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: I teach how to draw cartoons. We'd love to come
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: there and teach the kids how to draw some cartoons.
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: And they're like, oh my god, that sounds great. When
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: can you be here? And we figured out a time
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: that would work and we were just driving through the
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: area and yeah, so we go there and we.
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: Like, we meet all the kids.
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: They're literally all coming off of bus and they individually
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: come up to us and say hello and.
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: Thank you for being here. All the kids.
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: We're like, oh my god, this's amazing, which also took
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: a really long time because there was a lot of them,
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: but it was great, and they're I think they're all
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: pretty young.
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: I don't think any one was over twelve, so it
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: was all a bunch of young kids.
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: It was great because like the older kids took care
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: of the younger ones and it was just like a
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: like a big little family basically here. Yeah, we talked
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: to the headmaster guy, asked him where we could do
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: all this stuff, and we went to the papellerilla down
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: the street and got poster boards because they didn't have
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: a dry race board or a chalkboard or anything where
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: the kids could watch me draw and copy me.
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: That's how I do it. So we bought poster boards.
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: We literally taped them to poles at the orphanage, and
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: we bought paper for all the kids and like pencils,
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: and yeah, it turned into this like the girls and
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: the girls were over here, the boards were over there.
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: So I taught the girls how to draw like a duck,
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: a cat, a puppy, and like a butterfly, and they
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: just copy what I do, like everything, and I did
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: it all in Spanish, like I don't think I could
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: do that right now, but I was like, okay, comen,
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: sama's gone nutties, like start with the nose and like
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: go from here.
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: And they would look at what they drew and they'd
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: be like, oh my god, I just drew that, and
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: then they would.
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: Color it and then they saw I remember this one girl,
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: she saw the wedding tattoo on our fingers and she
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: drew it all over around her butterfly.
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: And she's like, I drew this for you. I'm like,
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: you're so observant. Oh my god, it's amazing.
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: And then we taught the boys how to draw, and
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: then and then everyone wanted to play football, like soccer,
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: so it was just like totally. Then they smoked soccer.
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: I was like, I'll do the clean up, go play
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: with them. But it was amazing and that again slowing down,
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: taking the opportunity, giving back to the communities you're driving through,
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: and like that made us, you know, like almost a
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: part of that place just for a minute.
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: So it was it was awesome.
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: And like same with the murals, Like those paintings are
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: going to be there for a while, you know, and
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: that's like a story you can tell, and they'll tell
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: that story when other people come look at them, so
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: you're a part there, you know.
• 26:42
  Speaker 6: So yeah, kids how to draw and like uh, it
• 26:46
  Speaker 6: was the day after we climbed Akatanango and Guatemala and
• 26:49
  Speaker 6: then also in like Chile and like this and like yeah,
• 26:53
  Speaker 6: like lots of little groups of kids like always like.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: Loving to learn how to draw, and they get so
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: like wild and.
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: Fun bunnies and puppies and kitty always they all love
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: that stuff and.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: It seems like such a simple thing, but it's so powerful.
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, teaching them how to draw.
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: And then I remember I taught a girl back in
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: the day when I was when we were in New
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: Zealand and I worked for the YMCA, and she kept drawing,
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: and then I saw her, I think again before we left,
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: and she's like, I perfected the Easter Bunny.
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: You showed me how to draw.
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: I was like, see, like one, maybe one out of
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: five will do that, and like you can at least,
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: like you know, help them out a little bit, like
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: the art inside of them is actually coming out. So yeah,
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: it's really good to see that.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: That's so awesome. And you guys, did you both work
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: from the road when you were traveling or how how
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: did that work with your jobs that you had before
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: you left.
• 27:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah, we both like finished up work in Vancouver and
• 27:40
  Speaker 6: then got on the road. I guess we had originally
• 27:43
  Speaker 6: planned on like a year to do the trip and
• 27:45
  Speaker 6: that hah. So I think I think we were at
• 27:46
  Speaker 6: like a year, maybe like nine or ten months, and
• 27:49
  Speaker 6: we were in Mexico and we were like, well, we
• 27:50
  Speaker 6: should refigure this out. And then we had to go
• 27:53
  Speaker 6: back to the States for a couple of friends' weddings
• 27:55
  Speaker 6: in the summer, and we had missed the window for
• 27:57
  Speaker 6: Patagonia's summer because we wanted to be there in summer
• 28:00
  Speaker 6: winter just for hiking instead of skiing. So we're like,
• 28:02
  Speaker 6: let's take three months, we'll go back to Montreal and work.
• 28:05
  Speaker 6: And I had found a job there to just do
• 28:07
  Speaker 6: some work for like three months, and Kenna was working
• 28:09
  Speaker 6: on like client stuff still, so we were like, go back,
• 28:11
  Speaker 6: go to the weddings, hit some work for three months,
• 28:13
  Speaker 6: come back and finish.
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: I did work on the road. I did a lot
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: of I did your sticker on the road. Thank you
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: for hiring me, Thank you yours.
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: I was in Argentina after a rodeo.
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: I think I sent it to you after like the
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: craziest rodeo I've ever seen in my life, just gauchos everywhere.
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: It's red and drunk in the face, but doing stuff
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: on horses. You're like, I did not think that was possible.
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: And then I sent you your sticker in a local
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: gas station.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: I love it. Literally, we love our sticker too, if
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: anybody's listening. I don't want to get too into it,
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: but it's basically like a picture of me driving with
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: my hair like blowing back in the wind, and Richard's
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: in the passenger seat with a map and his hit
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: like hat is flying off with an in our little
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: red truck and we absolutely love our stickers.
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: Very funnyank you. Yeah, I found over with you guys
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: and art I know.
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but doing it for travel like that was a
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: lot of client work that I did. I worked on
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: like a comic book, like a little cartoon comic book
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: for a client and that was like a big project.
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: So that was good. That was like good money coming in.
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: But so that was me curled up in the van
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: on like two different computers sketching on one because that
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: was all it was good for. But to get on
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: Jordan's computer and like vectoring or like doing the coloring.
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: And yeah, not the best setup ever. I didn't have
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: a place to sit. My back was a mess. But
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: you would find like local cafes that hopefully had Wi
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: Fi and just watch like the Spinning Wheel of Death,
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: like send your file within three hours just to get
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: like thirty bucks or something before.
• 29:33
  Speaker 6: In fact, like all our friends are like, why didn't
• 29:35
  Speaker 6: you just get an airbnb for it would have been
• 29:37
  Speaker 6: like eight bucks or.
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: Some dollars in Bolivia to get like.
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: You never really thought of it.
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know why I live and learn, So yeah,
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: next time you need to send like a big project
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: and you're working and you're traveling, like yeah, go pay
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: fifteen bucks for like a mansion Airbnb and like middle
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: of nowhere Bolivia if you could find was it.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: Hard to manage? Like you just gave me some examples,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: but did you have ongoing client work or did you
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: go in like spur and how did you balance it
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: with being on the road full time?
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: This is great because this is what we're doing a
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: panel on Sunday, so you have these questions written down. Yeah, no,
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: it was balance was important because obviously you don't just
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: want to like be keeled up in the van and
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: then find a you know, a place with Wi Fi
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: for days and just like so you do like your
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: you know. I think one of the best examples was
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: driving over like the salt flats like Solarda, Uni and Bolivia,
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: and then I had to send a like a client
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: a sticker like a logo for her salon. I needed
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: to get that done. It's very simple and not a
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: big file. But because the internet there was like so slow,
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: we're like, okay, we might need to dedicate some time
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: to this. So we did a couple of days on
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: the salt flats, and then we dedicated maybe four hours
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: to sending that file after we were done playing. You know,
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: so you play, you play, you play, and then you're like, okay,
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: well gas money is just a click away and four
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: hours of watching a spinning wheel and then yeah, that
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: file would be sent and be like okay. But my
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: clients I would say from the beginning, you got to
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: be flexible with me.
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: I'm on this trip. Deadlines are really not in my
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: life in my book right now.
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: As long as you have flexibility and you're not needing
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: something on time and like a very short amount of time,
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: we can work together. And if that client did say
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: they needed that, then I would not take on that project.
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: Most of my clients were all flexible.
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: A lot of it was just for fun, people supporting us,
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: people like wanting a sticker and yeah, logos for restaurants
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: things like that. So yeah, it was a balance of
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: got to give me the flexibility for it and then
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: we can go forward and then you'll get it when
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: you get it. It was never too long, like maybe
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: just like a couple weeks here and there. I didn't
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: take any project down. That would be like dragging us
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: down and working too much.
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: Mostly quick.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: Good to set those boundaries and expectations absolutely time.
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's huge, and it kind of just like unfolded
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: into itself because it was quick projects. And if someone's like,
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: I want you to illustrate a kid's book, it is like,
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: I don't have the materials for that here, Like I
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: would need like my setup, not like a computer from
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: nineteen ninety seven that I can only sketch on that's
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: a paperweight, and like a MacBook that's barely working.
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: Not the best so simple things worked, but nice. Yeah.
• 31:55
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• 32:51
  Speaker 1: And then you guys, eventually when you were done with
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: your trip, came back and sort of settled in. Was
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: it squamish first?
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: And how is that like re entry process with work
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: and just all like the differences between traveling full time
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: on the road and then coming back and plugging back
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: into the matrix as I like to call it.
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there should be like a group for that, Like
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: we should all like sit in a circle and chairs
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: and be like, how do you feel today? Is it
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: is a huge life switch, but yeah, you can take it.
• 33:19
  Speaker 6: So when we first got back to Vancouver, we did
• 33:22
  Speaker 6: a little work on the van and then yeah, we're
• 33:24
  Speaker 6: just like looking for an apartment because we had jobs starting.
• 33:28
  Speaker 6: I think we were both like lined up for work
• 33:30
  Speaker 6: and then we're just like need an apartment. I have
• 33:32
  Speaker 6: just like big equipment to work on, like post production stuff,
• 33:34
  Speaker 6: and it was just.
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: Like need a place to do it.
• 33:36
  Speaker 6: And we're super broke and like had like credit card
• 33:38
  Speaker 6: bills to pay, so we're like need to start working
• 33:40
  Speaker 6: very soon.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: What kind of work were you doing?
• 33:43
  Speaker 6: I do like post production, visual effects, for film, like,
• 33:45
  Speaker 6: so yeah, just like special effects and stuff. We're looking around,
• 33:48
  Speaker 6: but it was really hard to find a place. And
• 33:50
  Speaker 6: it was like getting to the rainy season in Vancouver.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: Which is.
• 33:54
  Speaker 6: Cold, rainy season, so it was like November and We're
• 33:57
  Speaker 6: like living in the van on the street and.
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: I'm plan for a service road.
• 34:01
  Speaker 6: Yeah, either like up for our service roads, or sometimes
• 34:03
  Speaker 6: we were in North Bend like cruising around and just
• 34:05
  Speaker 6: like you're like looking for apartments all day and you're like, oh,
• 34:07
  Speaker 6: we should definitely have a shower today, you know, like
• 34:10
  Speaker 6: trying to plan that, and then.
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: It got bothering our friends or like we can't stay
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: and like burden them anymore, and it is like we
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: need to find a place.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: It's hard in that area too, because it's it's like
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: can more or like you know all those places where
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: it's really really hard to find rentals and they're few
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: and far between. So definitely takes some time.
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it was bad.
• 34:29
  Speaker 6: And squamish, like over the past like two years or so.
• 34:32
  Speaker 6: It's like like I mean everywhere in Canada and probably
• 34:35
  Speaker 6: in the States and just everywhere, but yeah, it's become insane.
• 34:38
  Speaker 6: We got in like kind of the start of that rise,
• 34:40
  Speaker 6: So like we kind of got lucky that we found
• 34:42
  Speaker 6: a place. Even I think somebody had wanted the apartment
• 34:46
  Speaker 6: and dipped out on it, and I was like, oh,
• 34:47
  Speaker 6: we're taking something else, and we were like on a
• 34:49
  Speaker 6: backup list, and like the guy hit us up and
• 34:50
  Speaker 6: it was like, yeah, you guys can have it.
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: We got lucky.
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: But like, yeah, I think before we even got there,
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: when we got back to the States, like I think
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: I told you, but all the borders closed around us
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: because of the pandemic. So before we even like like
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: at the end of our trip, before we even got back,
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: we were just like watching onto video closed down and
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: we were supposed to go back to Buenosaidre's like Argentina
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: with our friends for three weeks before we were completely
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: done with the trip. Like we were so lucky to
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: actually go to the bottom and be working your way
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: back up before the pandemic closed everything down and a
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: lot of people like tried to wait it out. That
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: was not a good idea in the long run, but
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: like yeah, like when we were coming back, it was
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: just like, oh God, this is happening, change all of
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: our flights.
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: We have to leave Uruguay to get back to the States.
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: Thank goodness.
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: We got our van and their car in a container
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: before like shit hit the fan, really because that was
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: like in a container ready to be shipped back to
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: America to Texas. I think that was like the easiest
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: thing to do, like logistically. And then yeah, we were
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: on phone calls that kept dropping, trying to switch our flights,
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: and it was just like you'd get so far to
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: the point of like, Okay, everything's all set and then
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: it would drop.
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: And you're like, no, we got to store from the bottom.
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: But yeah, it was it was wild.
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: And then getting back to the States during the pandemic,
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: like we're just like wait, waiting waiting for the van.
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: But our first job back from like before doing visual
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: effects and working in like cartoons, just what I do.
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: We actually helped our friends. They work for a company
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: Dirt Sunrise. You probably met Tim Kelsey. They're the best.
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: We love them. Shout out to them. They're like in
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: Europe right now. They just got their car back. Oh
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: my god. They waited forever. Yeah, we worked with them.
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: They were like, do you guys want a job like
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: mapping roads for the Bureau of Land Management And we're like, oh,
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: what that sounds amazing. So as soon as we like
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: finally got the van back, we went to go help
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: them out because the couple that usually helps them and
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: a jeep couldn't do it for that session of work.
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: So yeah, we went and beat the shot of the
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: van for like three months and mapping all these incredible
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: force service roads that we would never have the balls
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: to drive, saw so many great camp spots and wonderful places,
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: and actually did a lot of work like literally had
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: like an old school tracker like beeping keeping track of
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: where we were driving, and that would show the Bureau
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: of Land Management people like, oh, this road does still exist,
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: because they were just working off of satellite imagery to
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: see if like from ages ago. We'd be like, is
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: that still there? Someone to drive it or walk it?
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: If you couldn't drive, which we did, we did a
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: lot like we can't bring the vand through this you
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: get a paycheck and then you have to get your
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: van fax, so you get a paycheck, get your vandax
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: like a little visious cycle.
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: But that was our first job coming back off the trip.
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: So that was a nice little you know, segue into
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: reality again because that was super fun. But then you
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: go back to sitting at a desk and you're like,
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: oh my god, what are we doing?
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: Love being creative again and drawing that was really fun.
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: But then you're just like, Okay, I need to just
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: like make giant calendars and have goals for future plans.
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: Now is what we're doing?
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: What are those future plans?
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: Well or do you know yet? Yeah?
• 37:32
  Speaker 6: I mean somewhat like yeah, I mean we want to
• 37:34
  Speaker 6: do another long vehicle based trip. Recent events in the
• 37:37
  Speaker 6: world have kind of screwed that around a little bit,
• 37:39
  Speaker 6: depending on what we thought we might do next.
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: Anything we were thinking of that like vehicle.
• 37:43
  Speaker 6: Based was probably like a year or two off, just
• 37:45
  Speaker 6: spinding on like saving and maybe building up a bigger
• 37:47
  Speaker 6: truck or like a different truck for like a European
• 37:50
  Speaker 6: trip for instance, instead of like the Delica. But who knows,
• 37:53
  Speaker 6: maybe the Delica would make it over there too. But
• 37:55
  Speaker 6: then like also like longer term like hikes and stuff
• 37:58
  Speaker 6: like that. I think I owe kend to six months
• 38:00
  Speaker 6: on the trail somewhere.
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: Probably well, we're gonna hopefully see each other on a
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: cinaboyin so I'm sure I'm saying wrong because everything in Canada,
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: I is say it wrong.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: But yeah, everything I say in the US, I say wrong.
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: We're good, like I was pronounced no, no, We're So
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: we're moving out at the end of June and we're
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: taking a month and a half to drive across Canada,
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: which we've never done, which we had more time because
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: there's so much to see, but we're going to focus
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: on being do a section of the Great Divide Trail
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: and do yeah, five days in a Sinaboyne and just
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: see if we can find some rivers to do some
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: packcrafting in along the way, which were we've been getting
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: into recently, which is really fun and new and exciting
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: and a lot of adrenaline and terrifying. And yeah, we're
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: going to be going cross country to my family's land
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: on in western New York. If we could find another vehicle,
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: that would be the best place to redo it. My
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: dad basically redoes cars. He's redoing a duster right now.
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: He's redone a Barracuda, so he's got he's basically like
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: a hobby mechanic and also a carpenter, so we would
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: have all the tools there. We'd have like such great
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: help to redo something. But it's like finding that vehicle
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: right where the search. Yeah, hopefully we can shop around
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: while we're here at XPO if we have time. I mean,
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: even like old ambulances would be really fun to play with.
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: But yeah, it's like that's like half the fun is
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: like redoing these vehicles and making them like another home
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: for possibly a bigger trip, and standing would be really cool.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, standing is fun. Well, I'm really excited to see
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: what you guys come up with, very excited to follow
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: your adventures. I'm gonna steal Scott Brady's question because he
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: always asks everybody on the podcast what their favorite book is,
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: and why I'm going to ask each one of you
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: what your favorite book is?
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: Oh god, how dare you? What are books.
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: To be? Fair?
• 39:37
  Speaker 6: Like on the panem we brought a ton of books
• 39:40
  Speaker 6: and we're like, oh, we're going to read so much.
• 39:42
  Speaker 6: And I don't think I read a single book on
• 39:43
  Speaker 6: the whole trip, and you might have.
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: Read, like I read a ton of medicinal plant stuff.
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: Little Prince is a classic. Yeah, you don't even have
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: like classic ones like that recent favorite book. That one's
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: embarrassing because it's like a romance novel. I'm not even
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: saying that one day, I think it was. I was
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: like so into that book. I was like reading at
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: lunch like normally would run at lunch when I was working.
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: I was reading that book at lunch.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: Like Age Turner. Yeah.
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: It was so real, Like that's not something I'm usually into.
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: I'm like, oh my god, this book is riveting. It's incredible.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: I don't know, like that would say like for the adventure.
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: Like in You as a kid.
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Little Prince was amazing like that, Like you could
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: just take any line out of that and that's just
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: like put that on a plaque and you can see
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: that and be like, I'm inspired by that.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: If you could go to any country in the world
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: right now, which one would you go to?
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: Somewhere? I mean I know that that. Yeah, there's like
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: a lot of crazy stuff happening, but.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter anywhere.
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: It would be amazing.
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Mongolia is like like that was that was like
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: one of our initial plans, like to do across Europe
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: and just like basically to do that drive all the way.
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: Across Silk Road. Yeah.
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what you're looking through right now too, right, Yeah,
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: and just like super researching about it and like that's
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: like plan for you guys, right.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: I hope. So yeah, it's right now is a little
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: bit dicey, but we have had our eye on it
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: for a while.
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: So yeah that I mean even just watching like the
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: Ewan McGregor and like Charlie Borman stuff going through that
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: it was an amazing and they barely skim the surface.
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: Like even when they did, like the Pan American you're
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: just like you literally just drove through some of the
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: most beautiful places and did nothing in them.
• 41:13
  Speaker 5: Took a day to like drive through Peru.
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, on his schedule, but like when they did, like
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: through Mongolian stuff, like some of those areas are so beautiful,
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: and like Georgia, Georgia would be ridable. We got a
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: delicate buddy, yes, And there's like a delicate buddy in
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: Georgia we stay in touch with and we're like, oh
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: my god, if we can ever make it there, even
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: just like to see some of the places he has
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: are beautiful and okay, I got one more. See I'm
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: taking all of yours Poland, so like my whole family's Polish.
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: My grandmother has a book from her father, my great grandpa,
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: and he basically wrote down like the life story of
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: his life and his family's life and wrote down every
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: single place that they like own land and had a
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: farm and like what his father had. And I sat
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: down with my grandma and we went through this book
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: and I was like looking up and showing her on
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: Google Maps, like where these places where, and she's like,
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: oh my god, I.
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: Can't believe you could do this.
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: Like look, she didn't. She hadn't been to all of them,
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: is like before she was born in some instances. So
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: like I would love to do when we do Europe,
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: when it happens, I would love to just focus on
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: like seeing those places like that he was in and
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: putting those on a map and being like this is
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: like a you know, a family ancestry trip.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: Yes, seeing all the heritage trip.
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: Absolutely, and like same would like Jordan's family. His mom
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: just like really is in tune with everything that happened
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: like back in the day with our family and like
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: a lot of places they've been, so even like putting
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: those on the map too and just.
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: Doing like both of our family spots. I think that's like.
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: A really good premise for a trip that just starts
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: it up. You know, great story, Yeah.
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: So great.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: Yay, thank you guys so much for coming on the podcast.
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: So good to see you. Thanks for having us. I'm
• 42:49
  Speaker 5: so excited.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: If listeners want to find you online, where should they go?
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: Just look up old Later, like we have a old
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: Later dot com.
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: Instagram, the Old Later.
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean we're not huge YouTube people were trying
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: to get better that editing just takes so much time.
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: I think we have like three videos on that, but
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: Jordan takes great time lapses, so it's like kind of
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: easy to do.
• 43:08
  Speaker 5: So yeah, thank you. So yeah, YouTube Field Later on anything.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll put that in the show notes. And yeah,
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: thank you guys again for coming. And I'm going to
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: talk to you. I can't wait to see you on
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: the trails.
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: Yes, and it's Sinner Born or Sinner Borne to you,
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: whatever it says, it's called ye.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: Thanks Ash, thank you so much for listening to the
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: Overland Journal podcast and we will catch you next time.