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Mark Smyth - Unlocking Personal Growth and Family Values · Quarterback DadCast | Intentional Fatherhood & Leadership at Home

• 0:03
  Casey Jacox: Hi, I'm Ryle.
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  Casey Jacox: And I'm Ryder And this is my Dad's Show.
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• 1:36
  Casey Jacox: Hi everybody.
• 1:37
  Casey Jacox: Hey, it's Casey Jacox with the quarterback dadcast.
• 1:39
  Casey Jacox: We are in season four, as you've heard many times before, and every time I say season four I get excited because it means we're still running the quarterback dadcast.
• 1:46
  Casey Jacox: And today's next guest is comes from the kind and talented Lauren B Jones of Leap Consulting Solutions.
• 1:55
  Casey Jacox: If you need to learn more about her, you will be able to do that because she's going to be linked in the show notes.
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  Casey Jacox: But our next guest if I could say it, not spray it his name is Mark Smith.
• 2:04
  Casey Jacox: He's from Chi Town.
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  Casey Jacox: He has really lives.
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  Casey Jacox: He's a storyteller, which I love And I talked about that.
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  Casey Jacox: He's a seller, tons of years experience with selling.
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  Casey Jacox: He's training folks.
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  Casey Jacox: He worked at Career Builder and many other great employers.
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  Casey Jacox: But that's not why we're having Mark on.
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  Casey Jacox: We're going to talk to Mark about Mark the dad and learn how Mark is working hard to become that ultimate quarterback or leader of his households.
• 2:27
  Casey Jacox: Without further ado.
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  Casey Jacox: Mr Smith, welcome to the quarterback dadcast.
• 2:32
  Mark Smythe: Casey, thank you so much for having me and shout out to LJ.
• 2:37
  Casey Jacox: That's right.
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  Casey Jacox: I actually just met one of her esteemed colleagues, aaron.
• 2:41
  Casey Jacox: I know Aaron's last name, so if you know her, i'm going to talk to her next week.
• 2:46
  Mark Smythe: Nice, i don't know that I do, but maybe you can co-introduce me.
• 2:50
  Mark Smythe: Perfect, perfect.
• 2:52
  Casey Jacox: Awesome.
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  Casey Jacox: Well, lj, thank you sister, i appreciate you and thanks for making today happen.
• 2:56
  Casey Jacox: We always start out with gratitude on this podcast, so please tell me, what are you most grateful for as a father today?
• 3:05
  Mark Smythe: I would definitely say what I'm most grateful for right now is my wife, holly, who made me a father.
• 3:11
  Mark Smythe: Obviously, she is just a person who is.
• 3:15
  Mark Smythe: She does so much for the family.
• 3:17
  Mark Smythe: We can get into what that is, but not only that she's the person that works her tail off in order to allow me really to pursue what I love doing.
• 3:26
  Mark Smythe: And, yeah, very grateful.
• 3:29
  Casey Jacox: Love it.
• 3:30
  Casey Jacox: Always a good answer to thank the wife on the quarterback dadcast which we joke.
• 3:34
  Casey Jacox: We might be the quarterback but the wives are usually the general manager.
• 3:37
  Casey Jacox: Calm the shots.
• 3:39
  Mark Smythe: Without question.
• 3:41
  Casey Jacox: I'm grateful for some one-on-one time that I'm getting with my son this weekend.
• 3:45
  Casey Jacox: We are recording in May This episode will come out here in maybe a month or so And my son we're getting ready to go.
• 3:52
  Casey Jacox: He's actually getting ready to go compete in the high school state golf championship.
• 3:56
  Casey Jacox: We qualify for some.
• 3:57
  Casey Jacox: I'm excited to just watch him compete and enjoy the experience.
• 4:02
  Casey Jacox: And my wife gets to spend one-on-one time with my daughter in a basketball tournament.
• 4:05
  Casey Jacox: So it'd be fun to just further strengthen those relationships, spend some quality one-on-one time.
• 4:11
  Casey Jacox: And unfortunately the hourglass is going by way too fast So I'm trying to slow life down before it gets further gone doing their own thing.
• 4:19
  Mark Smythe: Good for you.
• 4:19
  Mark Smythe: Yeah, i feel like our weekends are consumed by running around at those different events and, having done that a lot When I was a child, it's I know that I'll look back with fond memories, but it could be crazy during the time.
• 4:31
  Mark Smythe: So that's very cool, go enjoy that.
• 4:34
  Casey Jacox: I'm like mid-drink of water right there everybody.
• 4:35
  Casey Jacox: Okay.
• 4:36
  Casey Jacox: So I would like to go inside the Smith Huddle Tell me we talked about Holly, but maybe tell us how you guys met and then talk about the rest of the players and the team.
• 4:45
  Mark Smythe: Sure, yeah, so Holly is definitely the GM of the house, for sure, and quarterback I'm probably backup QB at best.
• 4:52
  Mark Smythe: She and I met back in college.
• 4:56
  Mark Smythe: We both went to Miami University in Ohio.
• 4:59
  Mark Smythe: It was kind of a and this is for sure dating myself.
• 5:04
  Mark Smythe: There was the show back in the nineties called Melrose Place And I think you and I are both so good.
• 5:11
  Mark Smythe: But for those that may be younger or way older, i don't know This was a show about.
• 5:16
  Mark Smythe: It was based in, i think, west Hollywood.
• 5:18
  Mark Smythe: It was a group of friends that lived in this apartment building and ended up, you know, they would kind of date each other in circles And that's essentially how Holly and I met.
• 5:28
  Mark Smythe: So I was junior year of college.
• 5:31
  Mark Smythe: I was dating a girl that we were going to soon be spending the summer abroad, in London.
• 5:37
  Mark Smythe: We had, you know, summer love there and came back from that into senior year and that quickly fizzled out.
• 5:45
  Mark Smythe: You know, we remained friends today, but during that time my best friend, who I grew up with since kindergarten, was dating another gal over the summer as well, and we both he came back, kind of broke up with her around the same time.
• 5:58
  Mark Smythe: A couple months later he approached me and said, hey, you know I'll leave the names out, but the girl you were dating yeah, we're starting to talk Is that cool?
• 6:08
  Mark Smythe: You know, i just want to make sure you're cool with it.
• 6:09
  Mark Smythe: And I said, absolutely, man, that's awesome.
• 6:11
  Mark Smythe: So the girl that I used to date he was dating, and then their relationship lasted about a year.
• 6:17
  Mark Smythe: Well, the girl that he was dating.
• 6:19
  Mark Smythe: At the time I started talking to him and kind of laughing about this whole thing.
• 6:23
  Mark Smythe: Like you believe they're dating.
• 6:24
  Mark Smythe: A couple months later we started dating.
• 6:26
  Mark Smythe: 17 years later we've been married.
• 6:28
  Mark Smythe: We now have three kids.
• 6:30
  Mark Smythe: So that's how and they call those anyone that gets meets each other at Miami, which is called a Miami merger.
• 6:37
  Mark Smythe: So Holly and I are an official Miami merger from back in the day in a very awkward Melrose place kind of way.
• 6:44
  Mark Smythe: So that's my wife.
• 6:47
  Mark Smythe: I have three fantastic kids.
• 6:49
  Mark Smythe: My oldest, his name is Tyler.
• 6:51
  Mark Smythe: He's 11 years old and fifth grade.
• 6:54
  Mark Smythe: He's our little soccer star and very sporty, loves anything sports.
• 6:59
  Mark Smythe: Our middle guy, jack, also loves sports, plays soccer and flight football like his older brother, but he's he's our music guy.
• 7:06
  Mark Smythe: He's our music man, always kind of pounding away on the keys, despite his parents not giving him formal lessons yet, which we need to do.
• 7:14
  Mark Smythe: And then our youngest, our little princess Olivia.
• 7:18
  Mark Smythe: She's five And, as any father can probably tell you, she can do absolutely no wrong.
• 7:23
  Mark Smythe: So she's just a bundle of fun joy.
• 7:26
  Mark Smythe: She's incredibly smart, loves playing cards.
• 7:30
  Mark Smythe: Ironically, her last baby just sit her, taught her cards And so she's now become this family card shark.
• 7:39
  Casey Jacox: Sweet, like we haven't had casinos yet, or too young.
• 7:42
  Mark Smythe: It's not far off, it's not far off.
• 7:47
  Casey Jacox: Why, Oh is it Wally Zerbiak Did he go to Miami?
• 7:51
  Mark Smythe: Yes, he did.
• 7:52
  Mark Smythe: So.
• 7:52
  Mark Smythe: He was kind of the you know, the star of the show, especially senior year.
• 7:57
  Mark Smythe: He's a great guy.
• 7:59
  Mark Smythe: He and I had our senior capstone together.
• 8:01
  Mark Smythe: He was a marketing major And during this time we had our senior capstone project, marketing 401.
• 8:07
  Mark Smythe: And it was myself, wally and two other folks in the group.
• 8:10
  Mark Smythe: Well, it was a great guy And if he's listening which I'm sure he's, you know not being a touch of what I'm doing in life, but he was an awesome guy.
• 8:18
  Mark Smythe: He was being sought after by the NBA at the time and very busy with what he's doing.
• 8:22
  Mark Smythe: So he came to, i think, one meeting the first, very first meeting for that project, delegated that over the rest of the project in the semester to his wife, shannon, who is phenomenally supportive.
• 8:33
  Mark Smythe: They met in college and they're still married today as far as I understand.
• 8:36
  Mark Smythe: But yeah, wally was a great product in Miami Sweet 16 basketball back in the day.
• 8:43
  Casey Jacox: I remember, because I think so I went to the Harvard the West Coast, which is central Washington.
• 8:47
  Casey Jacox: Many people don't know that.
• 8:48
  Casey Jacox: I did not know that.
• 8:50
  Casey Jacox: Yeah, I don't even think central knows that.
• 8:52
  Casey Jacox: And my wife went to University of Washington.
• 8:56
  Casey Jacox: I think wall, I think Miami Ohio beat you dub like on a buzzer beater back in like the NCAA tournament I think it was his senior year, It's like crazy And then he had like some stupid like 50 points or he just scored a ton.
• 9:09
  Casey Jacox: Yeah, My memory's correct.
• 9:10
  Mark Smythe: For sure.
• 9:11
  Mark Smythe: Yeah, he's, he's, he's done well He's.
• 9:14
  Mark Smythe: he's been plagued with injuries, but he's a great guy And I mean that was fun.
• 9:18
  Mark Smythe: That's a fun.
• 9:18
  Mark Smythe: Anytime you've got someone at that level, bring it to Midwest school, onto the map, so to speak.
• 9:24
  Mark Smythe: Bring you to the big tournament That was.
• 9:26
  Mark Smythe: That was pretty fun.
• 9:28
  Casey Jacox: So I think what we just made history Mark, this is the we we've never talked about Melrose Place or Wally Zerbiak on the quarterback dad cast.
• 9:35
  Casey Jacox: So I think we should celebrate that.
• 9:36
  Casey Jacox: Well, you know, I hope there's a prize.
• 9:41
  Casey Jacox: We'll talk to marketing.
• 9:41
  Casey Jacox: You might get a T-shirt or a free bowl of soup.
• 9:44
  Casey Jacox: I'll let you know what we, what we decide.
• 9:46
  Casey Jacox: Okay, i love that.
• 9:51
  Casey Jacox: So is there and we're done.
• 9:53
  Casey Jacox: No more kids, right?
• 9:55
  Mark Smythe: No, no, we shut down that factory strategically years ago And no, we added a dog.
• 10:02
  Mark Smythe: We added a dog, millie, about a year and a half ago, and that was we added one to you know, in doing so, we added another girl to the family to balance things out.
• 10:12
  Mark Smythe: So, no, that's good, and again we're one and done on the dog as well.
• 10:18
  Casey Jacox: So we have three dogs.
• 10:19
  Casey Jacox: To that I count to the count.
• 10:21
  Casey Jacox: Yeah, see there, we have two golden retriever iris setters.
• 10:25
  Casey Jacox: Then we have a sheet suit that I can't stand.
• 10:27
  Casey Jacox: Sorry if I've offended any of the sheets.
• 10:29
  Casey Jacox: Who lovers out there, but this dog drives be so freaking nuts.
• 10:32
  Casey Jacox: Yeah, i get made fun of a lot by my buddies and even former clients used to work with her.
• 10:36
  Casey Jacox: I was like how summer I'm like, stop asking.
• 10:38
  Casey Jacox: Yeah.
• 10:41
  Mark Smythe: It's a very masculine feeling dog, And I mean I think hunting, and outdoors, yes, just like truck with mudflaps.
• 10:48
  Casey Jacox: I think she too, without a doubt.
• 10:49
  Mark Smythe: Absolutely, it's the first choice.
• 10:51
  Casey Jacox: Yeah, oh boy, i can now.
• 10:54
  Casey Jacox: not only did we talk about Merrill's place while he's early back, and now my she to actually my kids, kids, kids, she too, summer.
• 11:01
  Mark Smythe: I'd say your show notes are complete pretty much.
• 11:04
  Casey Jacox: Yeah, this is going to be a product of what we're going to go viral and there it goes.
• 11:08
  Casey Jacox: Okay, joe, inside I want to go back in time and I want to learn about what was life like growing up for you and talk about the impact.
• 11:15
  Casey Jacox: Your mom, dad how do you know that you're a dad?
• 11:19
  Mark Smythe: For sure.
• 11:19
  Mark Smythe: So, born and raised in Cincinnati and was there through my high school years, grew up with two extraordinary parents, very much in love at the time and still are 50 years later, 50 years of marriage later.
• 11:34
  Mark Smythe: They're both 76 years young, just celebrated all those big milestones this past, this past year, i guess.
• 11:42
  Mark Smythe: So grew up with incredibly supportive parents in a nice part of Cincinnati, just a nice Midwest, you know, humble town, and two brothers.
• 11:54
  Mark Smythe: I was the perfect middle child, of course, of two, two brothers, one three years older, one three years younger, my both of my brothers.
• 12:03
  Mark Smythe: We all played sports growing up And we, you know, different.
• 12:08
  Mark Smythe: My older brother played football, i played tennis and basketball and soccer and everything else in between, and my younger brothers very much into sports as well And at some point became wildly interested in music and kind of came, came about, just an interesting musical journey that eventually led him into the military.
• 12:29
  Mark Smythe: I can get into that later if you'd like, but he then went on to become an F 18 pilot in the Navy And my older brother also had the flying genes, but that's for him, started off at a very young age flying radio controlled airplanes and being very much into that whole thing.
• 12:48
  Mark Smythe: He eventually went into the into commercial, being a commercial pilot, and now he's had a variation for corporate company and flying their execs around.
• 12:59
  Mark Smythe: So somewhere along that way I missed the flying gene for my parents and me under my way into a career in selling.
• 13:07
  Mark Smythe: But growing up we were just busy kids, just busy normal kids with loving parents and, you know, running around town trying to stay out of trouble.
• 13:15
  Mark Smythe: But I was blessed.
• 13:17
  Mark Smythe: I'd look at you know, i was always, always thinking about myself as like I would never be a good contestant on a show like The Voice, because, number one, i don't have a good voice, but two, i don't have one of those wild background stories that just is a tear jerker.
• 13:31
  Mark Smythe: I was blessed with a very loving upbringing.
• 13:36
  Casey Jacox: Wow, now what did tell me what mom and dad did for jobs?
• 13:40
  Mark Smythe: Sure, So they're both actually recently retired, so they've been working for a long time.
• 13:44
  Mark Smythe: My dad was a physician and facial plastics guy And you know he made faces look great And then my mom made words look great.
• 13:54
  Mark Smythe: She's a an entrepreneur and freelance copywriter So she's she's actually still taking on projects here and there, but she had her own business for 30 plus years, maybe longer.
• 14:06
  Mark Smythe: I probably got that wrong, but she's very much.
• 14:09
  Mark Smythe: They're both really entrepreneurs.
• 14:10
  Mark Smythe: As I think through it, you know my dad had his own private practice and, you know, built that up from from nothing into what you know, what he left it as, and my mom did the same thing.
• 14:19
  Mark Smythe: They both grew up in Cincinnati.
• 14:24
  Mark Smythe: My mom came from very humble, humble background and learn the value of just working really hard, establishing great values, and my dad came from another just loving set of grandparents who was lucky enough to meet as a kid and just established great values.
• 14:41
  Mark Smythe: So I think that carried through with them certainly into their working career, but also just as their careers parents.
• 14:50
  Casey Jacox: So you're, when that book comes out, i know who your copywriter is going to be.
• 14:53
  Mark Smythe: No question for sure.
• 14:54
  Mark Smythe: She's been our copywriter for all our lives.
• 14:58
  Mark Smythe: She was jokes My older brother is famous for in high school, you know we need to have to write a paper.
• 15:02
  Mark Smythe: You would usually be tasked with doing the whole thing, right?
• 15:06
  Mark Smythe: Well, he would, you know, wait for the last minutes and get most of it done, and maybe 75% of the way and say Hey, mom, you might put an end on this thing.
• 15:15
  Mark Smythe: You know she'd look at it.
• 15:16
  Mark Smythe: She's like you need a beginning and middle and an end on this thing.
• 15:20
  Mark Smythe: But yes, i can help.
• 15:22
  Mark Smythe: So it's.
• 15:22
  Mark Smythe: our papers were often riddled with red, but now I.
• 15:26
  Mark Smythe: now I appreciate it, but it's also turned me into this copywriting monster myself.
• 15:31
  Mark Smythe: I can't can help but find typos, which is I don't know if it's a talent or something else, but I blame it on mom.
• 15:39
  Casey Jacox: Well, i'll give a shout out to.
• 15:40
  Casey Jacox: When I wrote my book I had an editor, but the best editor I hired didn't.
• 15:46
  Casey Jacox: I didn't have to pay.
• 15:46
  Casey Jacox: Know it is.
• 15:48
  Mark Smythe: I'm probably your wife, my wife, because she knows my voice.
• 15:52
  Casey Jacox: Yep, but the next best editor I'm gonna give a shout out, maybe we'll get a new sponsor of this plug is Grammarly.
• 15:58
  Casey Jacox: I don't know if you're used Grammarly, but I love it.
• 15:59
  Casey Jacox: It's like a nice little extension on Google.
• 16:03
  Casey Jacox: It just kind of makes it's funny that the same mistake I always make is forgetting a comma on some of the ands.
• 16:08
  Casey Jacox: Sometimes I sometimes I do as soon as I don't like talent.
• 16:14
  Casey Jacox: you think I learn, but does anyone use comments anymore?
• 16:17
  Mark Smythe: I feel like in the land Twitter, like you look at people's emails and it's.
• 16:21
  Mark Smythe: Does anyone use grammar?
• 16:23
  Mark Smythe: I got great.
• 16:26
  Casey Jacox: Yeah, I do, I'm a Grammarly Yeah maybe I'm the only customer they have, but I love it Okay.
• 16:33
  Casey Jacox: So you got a doctor, you got a comparator, and then you got two brothers that get into flying.
• 16:37
  Casey Jacox: How tell me how they found the bug.
• 16:39
  Casey Jacox: And you didn't?
• 16:40
  Mark Smythe: I don't know.
• 16:41
  Mark Smythe: My older brother was oh, he's insanely handy, so he's, he was the guy that built our dining room table for our wedding as our wedding present.
• 16:50
  Mark Smythe: So I think that started as a young, at a young age, and I would he found to put his hands towards was building these huge, you know four, four, five, six foot wingspan, radio controlled airplanes that he would zip around the sky and that led into, you know just a passion for flying and it carried on.
• 17:13
  Mark Smythe: He went the the kind of the long, expensive route to get his pilot license and, you know, went to the local hangar and got his license that way and build up the hours and eventually found his way to a now defunct airline in Chicago I think it was Chicago Express, when those little puddle jumper airlines that have, i think Chicago remember correctly, flew with them for a while and then landed a corporate gig.
• 17:38
  Mark Smythe: So he's got the.
• 17:39
  Mark Smythe: I think it's got the, the sweetest job in the industry where he just gets to fly beautiful planes around, to fly the executives around to nice places and comes home at decent hours.
• 17:49
  Mark Smythe: He's now gone for a long period of time and my younger brother went a very Todd went a very different route.
• 17:55
  Mark Smythe: He, you know, once he followed his older older brothers to Miami.
• 17:58
  Mark Smythe: We both went to Miami.
• 17:59
  Mark Smythe: Todd went to Miami for one year, absolutely hated it, did not get it as much out of as we did, and he would kill me for saying all this, but he's probably not gonna listen anyway.
• 18:11
  Mark Smythe: But he, he's.
• 18:13
  Mark Smythe: He.
• 18:14
  Mark Smythe: For freshman year, i think, just because the kid is brilliant, i can confidently say that now, as an adult, the kid is, kid is and has always been way smarter than I am.
• 18:22
  Mark Smythe: But and freshman year he just, i mean he.
• 18:25
  Mark Smythe: I don't know if he got a 1.5 best.
• 18:27
  Mark Smythe: It was just kind of his way of saying mom and dad, i'm not following my older brother's footsteps, this is not the college for me.
• 18:33
  Mark Smythe: So they obviously got the message loud and clear and said what is it that you want to do?
• 18:38
  Mark Smythe: where do you want to go?
• 18:40
  Mark Smythe: and, as I mentioned earlier, he developed a passion for music And so, before he ever had a flying bug, he developed a passion for music and went off to Berkeley College of Music in Boston and played the guitar, studied music, engineering.
• 18:56
  Mark Smythe: He went out to LA and was starting to work with the you know folks in the engineering space and met a lot of famous people out there that he had no desire to be with in the long term.
• 19:06
  Mark Smythe: That was just not his jam.
• 19:07
  Mark Smythe: I mean, he would work with some very famous people that we would all know, but he was just like this is just like me.
• 19:13
  Mark Smythe: During that time he kind of had a life moment where one of his good buddies was in the I believe it was in the Marines and got killed in the inactive duty, and so that really struck a chord with him.
• 19:25
  Mark Smythe: And so, you know, i remember my parents saying he came home one day and shared with them and said hey, you know, mom I think she was the only one at home at the time I want to talk to you about something.
• 19:37
  Mark Smythe: And and moms know that when your sons want to say, hey, mom, i want to talk to you about something, you drop everything you're doing and say what is it?
• 19:44
  Mark Smythe: And he shared with her.
• 19:46
  Mark Smythe: He's like I think I want to get into the military.
• 19:49
  Mark Smythe: And that is the last thing that she thought he would say.
• 19:52
  Mark Smythe: But she was super relieved.
• 19:54
  Mark Smythe: Actually, she was like oh my gosh, i thought this is going to be something bad.
• 19:56
  Mark Smythe: That's great, you know like why is that?
• 19:58
  Mark Smythe: and then she he told her the story and she was just inspired to, you know, find his path.
• 20:02
  Mark Smythe: Now he's like I thought it was going to be this music thing, but now I've kind of found my calling And she's this was this was all new to us and we don't have a deep history of military family members, and for him to go into there was was quite astonishing and kind of found his way and decided he wanted to become a pilot, probably inspired by my older brother, and said you know, hey, this is what I want to do.
• 20:27
  Mark Smythe: He's like I said he's bright enough to get high scores and everything he was doing and ended up flying these hundreds of millions of dollars planes.
• 20:36
  Mark Smythe: And it's unbelievable.
• 20:38
  Mark Smythe: The kid could hardly drive, is a young person.
• 20:40
  Mark Smythe: We always razzle for having more accidents in high school than any of us combined, yet he was flying these incredible machines in the sky very well, so Wow.
• 20:51
  Casey Jacox: Yeah, that's cool, and he's still active right now.
• 20:54
  Mark Smythe: No, he's, he's.
• 20:55
  Mark Smythe: He's now flying for Delta.
• 20:57
  Casey Jacox: Okay, very cool.
• 20:59
  Casey Jacox: Yeah, my, my father in law.
• 21:02
  Casey Jacox: I can't remember if I told you this when we had a little brief prep, but he flew in the Navy for a food that is called the vigilante.
• 21:09
  Casey Jacox: he flew off aircraft, aircraft carriers, and I'm just like when I was watching, like Topkin to him, like Holy shit, my frickin father in law, that was your, like your goose in math.
• 21:20
  Casey Jacox: This is insane.
• 21:22
  Mark Smythe: Yeah, holly and I went to see him when he was coming back from his deployment, with the whole family, went down to see him.
• 21:29
  Mark Smythe: They came back and this is flying formation and came back into the, the airport and this, you know, beautiful ceremony, with the two rows of airplanes pointed at each other, the cockpits open at the same exact time, the wives go out there.
• 21:41
  Mark Smythe: It's just like a movie, you know.
• 21:42
  Mark Smythe: The wives go out there with the flower to greet their spouse, all this kind of stuff and tears are rolling down the family members eyes.
• 21:49
  Mark Smythe: And I don't know if it was a couple months later it's somewhere around that time we would the opportunity to go down and see him down in Virginia, see the boat and the carrier that he was on and was just like, really, this is you do this like this is it's kind of unbelievable that you struggle with driving but now you're landing on this boat which from the sky looks like a, you know, a postage stamp in the middle of the ocean kind of thing.
• 22:13
  Mark Smythe: So it's a massive amounts of respect, obviously for him, but for anyone in the military that's that a case or life to do and it's it's pretty wild.
• 22:21
  Casey Jacox: Totally.
• 22:21
  Casey Jacox: Thank you, bro, and everybody else serves for your, for your service.
• 22:24
  Casey Jacox: I thought you're going to say and you start queuing the music though, top gun like you brought, like a boombox or something just like I should have just dressed up like such a dork in the whole gear and just completely embarrassed them.
• 22:37
  Mark Smythe: Yeah, that's what I should have done.
• 22:39
  Casey Jacox: Holy smokes.
• 22:42
  Casey Jacox: Okay, so as you think about grown up, what we're like, telling the themes or the like, the must haves from a value perspective that the mom and dad said, this is how the Smiths, we, raised you boys that you and Holly now talk about with your kids.
• 23:00
  Mark Smythe: I mean there's so many.
• 23:01
  Mark Smythe: I think we grew up with a lot of opportunities around us.
• 23:05
  Mark Smythe: You know we Grew up with around people that had a lot of means and you know I would consider us upper middle class and it's almost.
• 23:17
  Mark Smythe: I used to be embarrassed to say that as a kid, but I now appreciate it because, growing up where you're surrounded by people that have means to do whatever, i'm so appreciative of my parents who really focused on being grounded and staying grounded and treating the golden rule was a big one around our house, like treating others the way that you want to be treated.
• 23:38
  Mark Smythe: Nothing is expected, everything is earned, meaning you get out of life what you put into it.
• 23:48
  Mark Smythe: Those are things that I still replay back in my head.
• 23:53
  Mark Smythe: Just as far as, like a family values, it was always treating others with the same kind of respect that you would want, from your internal family members to those in your classroom, to your family members, to whatever outside of the family walls.
• 24:09
  Mark Smythe: Also, just some things don't go to bed.
• 24:14
  Mark Smythe: Angry was a big one of my moms and it didn't matter what happened during the day and no matter how much we disagreed with, whatever they would say or they'd invite versa, it was.
• 24:25
  Mark Smythe: You drop at a bedtime.
• 24:26
  Mark Smythe: Don't go to bed angry.
• 24:28
  Mark Smythe: Tell each other you love them.
• 24:30
  Mark Smythe: Tomorrow's not a guarantee kind of thing.
• 24:32
  Mark Smythe: So it was.
• 24:33
  Casey Jacox: Hey everybody, it's Casey Jaycox.
• 24:34
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• 24:37
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• 24:40
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• 24:49
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• 25:03
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• 25:15
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• 25:17
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• 25:21
  Casey Jacox: Now let's get right back to today's episode.
• 25:25
  Mark Smythe: Yeah, I still talk about that stuff today.
• 25:28
  Mark Smythe: I was sharing with you.
• 25:31
  Mark Smythe: my son is 11.
• 25:32
  Mark Smythe: And so we had a conversation with him recently about the birds and the bees, And this was one of those very unexpected conversations.
• 25:45
  Casey Jacox: I don't know about that.
• 25:46
  Casey Jacox: What are you talking about?
• 25:47
  Mark Smythe: You know, i don't honestly remember having it with my parents.
• 25:49
  Mark Smythe: You ask what is this influence?
• 25:50
  Mark Smythe: I wish I remembered that because I would have drawn some notes from that, but maybe I just blanked it out.
• 25:55
  Mark Smythe: Maybe it's just one of those things that's so awkward as a child that you just completely blank it out of your memory.
• 26:00
  Mark Smythe: But it came up this past week actually because he's in fifth grade.
• 26:05
  Mark Smythe: As I mentioned, they're going through this school unit right now where they're starting to introduce the kids to things like hormones and the differences in males and females, and so they're naturally very curious in all of this, and so they're talking with their friends and naturally the kids are saying oh, i know this and let me tell you what I know.
• 26:24
  Mark Smythe: And it's like oh boy.
• 26:25
  Mark Smythe: So this came to a head last week.
• 26:29
  Mark Smythe: He was.
• 26:30
  Mark Smythe: We allow them to watch screens for about an hour at nighttime, and I don't know if that's too much or too little or whatever, but clearly I need to be more focused on what they're watching and not just how much time they're spending, because I walked into his room last week or the week before and he quickly shut his little iPad down.
• 26:50
  Mark Smythe: I'm like what's going on?
• 26:52
  Mark Smythe: What are we watching here?
• 26:53
  Mark Smythe: Nothing, nothing.
• 26:55
  Mark Smythe: So, needless to say, he was watching all kinds of wildly inappropriate things that I should have locked down months and months ago, but I didn't, and I was just scrolling through this thing like, holy shit, i should be really thinking further about this.
• 27:09
  Mark Smythe: Sorry for swearing, but the I shared this with my wife and thankfully we remain calm through this and brought him in after we were talking and said okay, lou, i think we need to have a little discussion.
• 27:24
  Mark Smythe: Obviously, at your age, you're incredibly curious And it's natural, fully natural to feel this way.
• 27:30
  Mark Smythe: But YouTube is not the place to learn this stuff, and I'd think back to even though I don't remember having the same conversation with my parents.
• 27:38
  Mark Smythe: I do draw on that because they were always the ones that created a safe space at home, like, if we want you to talk about anything that's on your mind here, things are gonna come up with your friends.
• 27:50
  Mark Smythe: If you have questions, let's talk about it here.
• 27:53
  Mark Smythe: And I'd probably channel that because it was like look, let's talk about it here.
• 27:58
  Mark Smythe: We'll set up time when we can just you, me and your mom, away from your brother and sister.
• 28:03
  Mark Smythe: We'll talk through anything you want.
• 28:05
  Mark Smythe: You can ask us anything We'll share in full honesty to what's appropriate for you, anything you wanna know, and that's probably something that came from my parents, for sure, and Holly, she had the similar kind of parents who were very direct and things at home were a safe place.
• 28:22
  Mark Smythe: So, regardless, it was still incredibly awkward.
• 28:25
  Mark Smythe: He started off the conversation just giggling because it was just as silly to him.
• 28:31
  Mark Smythe: It was like this oh my gosh, what am I parents gonna say?
• 28:34
  Mark Smythe: And I'm immature enough that he made me laugh just because I'm just like, oh my God, funny, you gotta stop laughing.
• 28:41
  Mark Smythe: Because then my wife is.
• 28:43
  Mark Smythe: She's trying to keep a straight face and she's like all right, you two need to stop laughing if we're gonna get through this conversation.
• 28:47
  Mark Smythe: So it was quite funny, but we made it through.
• 28:52
  Casey Jacox: Well, I would love.
• 28:52
  Casey Jacox: I've never been through the birds of bees and if you and Holly can teach me, I'd love maybe go through the same training, I'm sure we have a lot to teach you, Absolutely Okay well, i love, i love, I love.
• 29:03
  Casey Jacox: I don't even know your, not even know you that well, brother, but I know I don't even know your parents, but I love the fact that, being grounded humility I would be willing to bet was also talked about the golden rule Yep Self plug first, first chapter of the book I wrote is about follow the golden rule life.
• 29:20
  Casey Jacox: Follow the golden rule life.
• 29:20
  Casey Jacox: Treat others the way you wanna be treated.
• 29:22
  Casey Jacox: Be nice.
• 29:22
  Casey Jacox: And being nice never gonna go out of style.
• 29:25
  Casey Jacox: Being nice not gonna be replaced by chat, gpt.
• 29:27
  Casey Jacox: It's never gonna be replaced by anything.
• 29:30
  Casey Jacox: Being nice is like we have control over it.
• 29:33
  Casey Jacox: So I love that And I wrote down nothing's expected, everything is earned.
• 29:36
  Casey Jacox: Did I get that right?
• 29:39
  Mark Smythe: Yeah, and it was just.
• 29:41
  Mark Smythe: I don't know if they said that directly, but that was the way that we were always taught, whether it was sports or school, and nothing's given, everything's earned.
• 29:49
  Mark Smythe: You know it's?
• 29:50
  Mark Smythe: Yeah, love that.
• 29:52
  Casey Jacox: And I Yeah, so good, it's gold.
• 29:54
  Casey Jacox: My dad rest in peace.
• 29:57
  Casey Jacox: My dad passed away December 29th 2021, that was his advice he gave on our wedding night.
• 30:01
  Casey Jacox: He said don't ever go to bed angry.
• 30:03
  Casey Jacox: Said the same thing to me And since my dad is in heaven now, i will air him out and hopefully he's giggling and have him tell the story.
• 30:12
  Casey Jacox: So I can't let him do this, but I'm gonna do it anyways, because I think we'll get a good laugh out of you and I and our audience.
• 30:17
  Casey Jacox: So my birds and bees talk.
• 30:19
  Casey Jacox: I got with my dad.
• 30:20
  Casey Jacox: So this is dating.
• 30:22
  Casey Jacox: So we're gonna, since we're dating ourselves.
• 30:23
  Casey Jacox: With Melrose Place, i got my first metal wood.
• 30:28
  Casey Jacox: I'm a golf guy, so my first metal woods was in ninth grade.
• 30:31
  Casey Jacox: I was so excited acers they were called And I was like, oh dude, i got metal woods.
• 30:35
  Casey Jacox: It was awesome And I fricking would just slicing everything.
• 30:38
  Casey Jacox: I'm like I'll figure it out, we'll pick them.
• 30:41
  Casey Jacox: So I get them.
• 30:41
  Casey Jacox: We go to McDonald's and this is my wife, carrie, who we were both.
• 30:46
  Casey Jacox: We're still together after since we met in seventh grade.
• 30:49
  Casey Jacox: So we've been dating since eighth grade Crazy 30 something years.
• 30:52
  Casey Jacox: That's crazy, and I think there might have been some heavy petting going on back then And my dad gives me the sex talk at McDonald's.
• 31:06
  Casey Jacox: And I was not really a big Mac, you know, fries, maybe a Dr Pepper or whatever.
• 31:10
  Casey Jacox: And he decides to start talking to us and I'm like what is going on?
• 31:13
  Casey Jacox: here He goes case.
• 31:14
  Casey Jacox: I got four important rules, three to follow.
• 31:16
  Casey Jacox: Number one I want to use a rubber.
• 31:18
  Casey Jacox: Okay, and right, when he said that, i'm like, oh my, I'm starting to almost piss myself laughing.
• 31:23
  Casey Jacox: He's like no.
• 31:23
  Casey Jacox: Number two just as important I want to use a rubber.
• 31:26
  Casey Jacox: Okay now, number three is just as important as one.
• 31:30
  Casey Jacox: Two I want to use a rubber.
• 31:31
  Casey Jacox: And lastly, the most important thing in any sort is use a rubber.
• 31:35
  Casey Jacox: And that was it.
• 31:36
  Casey Jacox: Well, like, what in the hell is that?
• 31:42
  Mark Smythe: Hey, that's all you need to know, right, that's it, that's I mean you can come in and teach a class at school.
• 31:50
  Mark Smythe: That's all, jesus.
• 31:53
  Casey Jacox: And how he delivered this A out of McDonald's and B kept a straight face.
• 31:56
  Casey Jacox: Maybe he snuck a couple of beers in the parking lot and I didn't know it, but there's, i mean it was so.
• 32:03
  Mark Smythe: Did you finish your big Mac or did you?
• 32:04
  Casey Jacox: just leave that, for I think I vomited everywhere, holy cow.
• 32:11
  Mark Smythe: Well, God bless you when that conversation comes your way.
• 32:14
  Mark Smythe: It's an awkward one.
• 32:17
  Casey Jacox: Well, luckily I've already been there, so I got a seven year old.
• 32:18
  Mark Smythe: Oh, you've done that real good, okay, great.
• 32:21
  Casey Jacox: I did it right about, I think, around a fifth and sixth grade of my son.
• 32:23
  Casey Jacox: He's now 17.
• 32:24
  Casey Jacox: So my wife handled it with my daughter.
• 32:28
  Casey Jacox: Thankfully I did not have to have that conversation.
• 32:29
  Mark Smythe: Yeah, yeah, yeah, i'm gonna try to do the same on my end, for sure.
• 32:33
  Casey Jacox: Out source it.
• 32:34
  Mark Smythe: Yep.
• 32:35
  Casey Jacox: To more appropriate people.
• 32:37
  Casey Jacox: My biggest fear is a dad of a daughter.
• 32:39
  Casey Jacox: I mean I kind of say this tongue in cheek but I really was like, because I mean it was if she had her period when I was with me, i was like, oh my God, what do I do?
• 32:49
  Casey Jacox: And thank God my wife had already kind of prepped And so like sorry, riley Erin, this went out.
• 32:54
  Casey Jacox: When that happened she was like already prepared.
• 32:57
  Casey Jacox: But it was like as a dad I wanted to like kind of talk, to like hey, honey, i know that things are changing and I'm here for your need and help.
• 33:04
  Casey Jacox: And she was pretty much saying, dad, i don't want to.
• 33:07
  Casey Jacox: No, she's like dad.
• 33:09
  Mark Smythe: This is mom and I are gonna talk about this one.
• 33:11
  Mark Smythe: Thanks for trying, but no.
• 33:13
  Casey Jacox: Right, but yeah, it was definitely a.
• 33:18
  Casey Jacox: I'm glad that happened with mom and not me.
• 33:21
  Casey Jacox: It's probably better that way, for sure, right?
• 33:25
  Casey Jacox: Okay, so as you think about now life in your home you mean being grounded, following the golden rule have you seen those lessons already be passed down to your kids, and is there like a story or two that you can think about where maybe your mom and dad would be like oh, look at my grandkids, they're following this rule too.
• 33:46
  Casey Jacox: They can kind of see those.
• 33:48
  Casey Jacox: I guess emotional intelligence or skills are showing up currently.
• 33:55
  Mark Smythe: Yeah, i do.
• 33:55
  Mark Smythe: I mean there was.
• 33:56
  Mark Smythe: I feel like they happen all the time, and sometimes better than others, but that, you know, our kids show them in unique ways, right?
• 34:04
  Mark Smythe: So a recent one I'll go back to our 11 year old he had.
• 34:07
  Mark Smythe: He has a really good body that was playing like football with them and was just feeling I guess he was feeling at some point that he was getting bullied on the field or just, you know, not playing well and just didn't want to be there and just quit, you know.
• 34:21
  Mark Smythe: And so that's not something that we allow our kids to just readily quit.
• 34:27
  Mark Smythe: If they've committed to something, you know it's dedication to themselves and their teams and their parents, who were, you know, taking them to practice that kind of stuff.
• 34:36
  Mark Smythe: And so we talked through it with them and we just said you know, why do you think he's feeling this way?
• 34:41
  Mark Smythe: You know he was having a hard time processing why that was, but he was just I think people were not being as kind to them as they should have been.
• 34:51
  Mark Smythe: So one of the things we talk about in our family is we have a sign that's above our bulletin board that says be bold, be brave, be kind.
• 34:59
  Mark Smythe: So, excuse me again be bold, be brave, be kind, just with the emphasis on being bold.
• 35:06
  Mark Smythe: Is bold enough to stand up for yourself or for others when you need to, or just to try new things.
• 35:12
  Mark Smythe: Brave enough not to care what other people think, as long as you're doing the right thing, and then kind enough to do what's right.
• 35:21
  Mark Smythe: And so I think some of those things.
• 35:25
  Mark Smythe: It's my wife.
• 35:26
  Mark Smythe: To her credit, she says that every single time the kids go to school, whether she takes them or I take them, it doesn't matter.
• 35:32
  Mark Smythe: But you know love, you have fun.
• 35:33
  Mark Smythe: You know, be bold, be brave, be kind.
• 35:36
  Mark Smythe: And so he took that as reaching out to the kid.
• 35:40
  Mark Smythe: Just, you know, send him a quick text which is funny that he's doing that in fifth grade but send him a text and just said you know, hey, we're going to miss you tonight at practice if you're not out there, and it was just something as simple as that.
• 35:50
  Mark Smythe: We'd love to see out there.
• 35:51
  Mark Smythe: So that's a really small example, but I'm hoping that they see that as, like you know, lifting them up another mantra we have in the family is just filling up other people's buckets And it's just a great book for any.
• 36:06
  Mark Smythe: You know it's not ready yet, but how full is your bucket?
• 36:10
  Mark Smythe: I don't know if you read that one to your kids.
• 36:13
  Mark Smythe: It was a gift we received.
• 36:15
  Mark Smythe: It was probably the best children's book that I can think of as the one we default to all the time.
• 36:20
  Mark Smythe: It's.
• 36:21
  Mark Smythe: It's just always about this, this mental image of everyone has a bucket on their shoulders and you can either put you know water into it or take it out.
• 36:29
  Mark Smythe: And when you put water into it, it's like putting energy or kindness or love into their bucket.
• 36:34
  Mark Smythe: And the more that you fill up other people's buckets, the more yours gets filled up.
• 36:39
  Mark Smythe: The more you take out of someone else's buckets by calling them names or putting them down or, you know, smashing their confidence.
• 36:46
  Mark Smythe: The more you smash yours and more you take out of your own bucket.
• 36:49
  Mark Smythe: So we'll ask things like that, you know to say Hey, did you?
• 36:52
  Mark Smythe: whose bucket did you fill up?
• 36:54
  Mark Smythe: today?
• 36:54
  Mark Smythe: It was a question we try to remember, not all the time to we, but, you know, certainly at bedtime, if we're talking to them, like you know.
• 37:01
  Mark Smythe: How did that make you feel?
• 37:02
  Mark Smythe: Did it?
• 37:03
  Mark Smythe: did it take out of your bucket?
• 37:05
  Mark Smythe: Did you, did it fill your bucket?
• 37:06
  Mark Smythe: That kind of thing.
• 37:08
  Casey Jacox: Love that I.
• 37:10
  Casey Jacox: I love that I wrote be bold, be brave, be kind, such.
• 37:12
  Casey Jacox: I mean.
• 37:13
  Casey Jacox: These are simple, simple things that can have a dramatic impact on relationships, on cultures, on teams, on I know this is like a dad podcast or everybody, but if you're listening and you're not, those are things we can.
• 37:24
  Casey Jacox: You can talk about your company right, doing what's right for sure, cares or other your competitor things and do what's right.
• 37:30
  Casey Jacox: Go out of your way.
• 37:31
  Casey Jacox: I mean, how full is your bucket?
• 37:32
  Casey Jacox: I think about that spoke to me, about, like I just phrase that came to me in my entrepreneurial journey, about having a boomerang mindset.
• 37:39
  Casey Jacox: Where you, you're, you're throwing boomerangs of service, you're always trying to connect others, but you don't keep score.
• 37:44
  Casey Jacox: Go out of your way to help other people.
• 37:46
  Casey Jacox: And obviously I've never thrown a boomerang and if I did, i'd live in Australia, but if I, if I did right, i'd put a shrimp on the Bobby for sure, but I had to say that.
• 37:55
  Mark Smythe: Oh, that's pretty good.
• 37:56
  Mark Smythe: I wouldn't even attempt mine, it's even worse.
• 38:00
  Casey Jacox: It's a serious moment I got to be.
• 38:01
  Casey Jacox: I'm choking around too much, like when you throw, when you, when you speak of kind of people and I think sometimes our kids, they don't normally think that that these, you know you are what you allow.
• 38:11
  Casey Jacox: And I read a great book that I had a previous guest on season one's podcast by an ink that I'm, swen nata, swen nata, who played for John Wooden.
• 38:19
  Casey Jacox: He's famous Yes, crazy story, awesome dude.
• 38:22
  Casey Jacox: And his book was called you've not taught until they have learned.
• 38:26
  Casey Jacox: And that were like so spoke to me and so that, as you're thinking, as I was thinking through what you're saying, like what a great visual, because most people we learn the story or visualization.
• 38:36
  Casey Jacox: And so I, thinking about that bucket and the shoulders, like what a great way for kids.
• 38:40
  Casey Jacox: So if you're a younger dad or mom listening, like go find that book.
• 38:44
  Casey Jacox: Maybe I can try to find, even link it in the show notes to make sure, because I think it's such a great, great something to think about It is?
• 38:52
  Mark Smythe: I actually think there's one.
• 38:53
  Mark Smythe: I think there's a version geared towards adults.
• 38:55
  Mark Smythe: I haven't read it myself, but I think that principles given in the children's book is, as you said, just as applicable to any stage of life as it is to a young child.
• 39:06
  Mark Smythe: But yeah, the other and I'll just focus on the word kind, and I don't know that there was a lot of thought, candidly, that we put into that mantra in the house.
• 39:15
  Mark Smythe: But over time I think the difference between being kind and nice, there is a difference, you know.
• 39:21
  Mark Smythe: I think sometimes being kind doesn't feel nice but it's honest.
• 39:27
  Mark Smythe: You know it's being kind to someone is letting them know when they're going off the rails.
• 39:31
  Mark Smythe: So we'll talk about that with our kids.
• 39:33
  Mark Smythe: It's like, you know, it's our job as a parent, as a father, as a mother, to let you know when you're kind of stepping out of the bounds here.
• 39:39
  Mark Smythe: It doesn't feel nice right now, but I will tell you it's kind.
• 39:43
  Mark Smythe: You know we're trying to set you up for success and letting you know when you're not quite following the things that we believe in as a family.
• 39:50
  Mark Smythe: So I don't know if that helps anyone else, but it's something that seems to be understood by them.
• 39:56
  Mark Smythe: You know, when things don't feel quite nice or mom and dad aren't quite feeling super lovey-dovey Like look, i know, this is a little bit of tough love, but it's this, this is what being kind is.
• 40:07
  Mark Smythe: It's letting you know we need a correct, of course.
• 40:11
  Mark Smythe: Correct here.
• 40:13
  Casey Jacox: Hi, i'm Marcie Stout, ceo and co-founder of Rebel Coach, a consulting and coaching company dedicated to cultivating leadership, building cohesive teams and fostering well-being in the workplace.
• 40:25
  Casey Jacox: At Rebel Coach, collaboration is one of our core principles, which is why I'm excited that Casey Jaycox and I are partnering together to host a monthly mastermind called the Intentional Sales Leader Mastermind, where leaders can share ideas, exchange insights and gain valuable knowledge from industry experts.
• 40:43
  Casey Jacox: It's our promise to you that joining our mastermind will provide practical insights on how to use curiosity and humility to build relationships while exceeding revenue expectations.
• 40:54
  Casey Jacox: We'll also teach techniques so you can stay committed to priorities like family health and, quite frankly, things that bring daily joy.
• 41:02
  Casey Jacox: You can learn more about me and my work at rebelcoachcom And, if you want to work with us and other sales leaders who are committed to results both personally and professionally, visit kcjcoxcom for more information on the Intentional Sales Leader Mastermind.
• 41:18
  Casey Jacox: Now let's get back to the podcast.
• 41:22
  Casey Jacox: I want to go back real quick Because I know when we told the story about my dad and then the rubbers as I almost spit that water out.
• 41:31
  Casey Jacox: I love well, I don't love this because I never want to have to, because even if you're in an argument with your wife or spouse like my wife and I, we rarely argue and we both suck at arguing.
• 41:43
  Casey Jacox: We hate it.
• 41:44
  Casey Jacox: We're just not good arguers together.
• 41:46
  Casey Jacox: But there's times where you have to really take that advice like, hey, let's stop talking, I love you We're going to talk about in the morning, But have you had to put that into action at times and be able to quickly, without going in too deep, and really learn that in the moment, or almost even, and sometimes go back to your mom and dad and say, hey, thanks for that advice.
• 42:11
  Casey Jacox: We've followed through on that and it was helpful.
• 42:14
  Mark Smythe: Are you referring to interactions with Holly or with the kids, or?
• 42:18
  Casey Jacox: both, yeah, both or something.
• 42:20
  Mark Smythe: Yeah, no for sure, i think that there's.
• 42:24
  Mark Smythe: It goes back to all of those things.
• 42:25
  Mark Smythe: Right, like, as we said, don't go to bed angry, and if it feels like it's going to blow up into something that's not productive, it's best to walk away Something we tell our kids too, right, hey, if you're in a situation that you know is not the one that you should be in, walk away.
• 42:43
  Mark Smythe: Avoid reacting in the moment.
• 42:45
  Mark Smythe: Don't put yourself down to someone else's level just because they're trying to make themselves feel better.
• 42:52
  Mark Smythe: Walk away until you can handle it appropriately.
• 42:54
  Mark Smythe: And yeah, i mean, there's all I could think back to numerous situations where things could blow up, but you just have to pull away from it.
• 43:04
  Mark Smythe: And, to be quite frank, plenty of times where I didn't take my own advice, especially with the kids, and I wasn't patient in the moment, or it just got to the point where I just couldn't take it anymore and let my emotions get the best of it.
• 43:17
  Mark Smythe: And I'm not proud of any of those moments, but I think they're.
• 43:21
  Mark Smythe: I think we all probably have them from time to time.
• 43:24
  Mark Smythe: And you look back and you're like shit, i just I didn't fill up anyone's bucket there And you know those kind of things And it's like that was a weak moment for myself to just not have the discipline to the discipline to listen is what I talk about in business and in life, and sometimes you just need to listen and shut up And I think that that's when you really hear what's going on.
• 43:43
  Mark Smythe: You know, i in my profession it's it's all based around listening and questioning And I think that that has helped, you know for sure, in the personal life.
• 43:55
  Mark Smythe: But we can all go off track here, certainly plenty of times, and I'm not proud of for sure.
• 44:01
  Casey Jacox: Well, i appreciate you saying that, mark, and I think it's what's what's good about that is, hopefully, it just brings us all, no matter what job you do, whether you're a bus driver, pro athlete, stay at home, dad, whatever you are that we actually all have the same job description, which is dad.
• 44:16
  Casey Jacox: And we, we all also have the thing in common we're all flawed, we're all no one's perfect, but we do have the ability to apologize and to make things right with our kids or our wife or our friend or our coworker, whatever it may be.
• 44:29
  Casey Jacox: And actually one of my buddies shout out Darren Balmores, like the very first.
• 44:32
  Casey Jacox: We're close.
• 44:33
  Casey Jacox: We're over 200 episodes when this one comes out and it was like eight or nine or 10, i can't remember episode, but we talked about the power of saying you're sorry.
• 44:40
  Casey Jacox: Now, if you're, as a dad, saying you're sorry every other hour, that's probably a bigger issue.
• 44:45
  Casey Jacox: But right, but if, like, you're not your best version yourself, what a gift to teach your kids, i think, because then they teaches them to say you're sorry, teaches them to put our ego aside, teaches them to like, try to figure out what's the maybe.
• 45:01
  Casey Jacox: Maybe you got to apologize, understand someone's perspective, you know, listen to learn versus always listen to persuade somebody, so I love that you shared that.
• 45:11
  Mark Smythe: Well, you're right, though, too, Casey, It's taking that moment to just say you're sorry.
• 45:16
  Mark Smythe: I think it does have a profound impact on someone.
• 45:20
  Mark Smythe: I see in both my boys in particular.
• 45:22
  Mark Smythe: Again, our little girl can do no wrong right now.
• 45:25
  Mark Smythe: So there's there's less of these moments, But I think just going back and saying you know, hey, buddy, I'm sorry, you know, like, and just starting there, just just I'm sorry, And sometimes it hurts to even say that because you're still pissed, but you just know that it wasn't right And you just you share, you just look, I didn't handle it appropriately.
• 45:44
  Mark Smythe: I let my emotions get the best of me.
• 45:46
  Mark Smythe: I think we need to take a breath And when we're both ready, let's come back and talk about you know what we.
• 45:51
  Mark Smythe: What we know is what we both know is right and how to handle this, And it puts their shoulders down And I think you probably walk out of the room and they're probably like Oh my gosh, I can't believe.
• 46:00
  Mark Smythe: He said he was sorry, but it's almost like a shocking moment, And it shouldn't be shocking, but they don't hear it enough.
• 46:06
  Mark Smythe: They don't hear it enough.
• 46:09
  Casey Jacox: Power of what you like, your, your parents talked about you know, you know humility and doing the right thing.
• 46:14
  Casey Jacox: It's like power of vulnerability.
• 46:15
  Casey Jacox: It's like the teaching right Teaching is okay to ask for help, but it's showing that we don't always have all the answers And I think when we do that just like Brené Brown talks about and many others And I've been a big fan of vulnerability for a long time It's like people who are vulnerable are the strongest.
• 46:29
  Casey Jacox: I think it's.
• 46:31
  Casey Jacox: I mean, she talks about that, she articulates extremely well and all the work.
• 46:34
  Casey Jacox: So leading kind of we might have already led I led you into this.
• 46:39
  Casey Jacox: But like, as you think about an area, your dad game that you at times like God, that is not the dad I want to be, or a mistake that you've maybe you find you make that you know you're working hard on to become that better quarterback leader of your household that maybe other dads at home might, might be able to relate to.
• 46:57
  Casey Jacox: Tell me what comes to mind.
• 47:00
  Mark Smythe: Thank you for your questions.
• 47:01
  Mark Smythe: For me, yeah, i think back to those moments like what did I miss there?
• 47:05
  Mark Smythe: I think it was just patience of just understanding.
• 47:09
  Mark Smythe: Maybe there's another one perspective the perspective of a child, the perspective of someone's brain who's still forming and growing and being influenced by so much around them today that never was influencing ourselves When you and I grew up with social media and kids are just way faster, i think, having patience to and shout out to your book.
• 47:32
  Mark Smythe: You know the difference between listening and hearing.
• 47:35
  Mark Smythe: You know.
• 47:36
  Mark Smythe: Sometimes I think that comes down to maybe I'm hearing what they're saying but not really listening to what they're saying.
• 47:42
  Mark Smythe: And then just the perspective of just these are young kids who are yes, they're driving me nuts in the moment, but I'm the dad I needed to be the one to lead and guide and show, demonstrate, you know, as through example of what good should be, you know the main, or what better should be.
• 48:04
  Mark Smythe: Not that I'm perfect by any means.
• 48:05
  Mark Smythe: So I think patience, perspective, or, yeah, patience perspective.
• 48:11
  Mark Smythe: Oh, the other one, i would say another.
• 48:12
  Mark Smythe: It's another P presence, like being present in the moment.
• 48:16
  Mark Smythe: Gosh, is it bad there?
• 48:20
  Mark Smythe: We have three of these.
• 48:21
  Mark Smythe: I should probably stop.
• 48:26
  Mark Smythe: But, yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 48:28
  Mark Smythe: Nice therapy session here.
• 48:29
  Mark Smythe: No, but I do think that's important presence.
• 48:33
  Mark Smythe: I mean, we're all running a gun and my wife and I both work, so it's there's times where they're sharing just something, some minutia about the day, and I know that I'm just half-assing it on listening, just knowing I got to get back to answering an email or phone call or whatever.
• 48:47
  Mark Smythe: So, yeah, those are some of the things that I know about myself that I could do better at.
• 48:53
  Casey Jacox: Well that I know.
• 48:53
  Casey Jacox: It hits home for me when my kids are younger the presence of something I've worked hard on patience is something I'm still.
• 48:59
  Casey Jacox: I think I'm just a competitive person, so competitive.
• 49:03
  Casey Jacox: The opposite is always patience.
• 49:04
  Casey Jacox: I see everybody around.
• 49:05
  Casey Jacox: I think having this podcast, like talking to so many dads, it helps remind me.
• 49:09
  Casey Jacox: Like you mentioned the word therapy, i feel like I go through every.
• 49:11
  Casey Jacox: Every time I interview somebody, i'm going through therapy And this is again self-reflection, things that are I know are important.
• 49:17
  Casey Jacox: I mean, yesterday I can give you an example.
• 49:20
  Casey Jacox: As your kids get older, you might find this my son, accidentally we were, he was unloading dishwasher and he accidentally broke And I've actually done it twice but it didn't break.
• 49:30
  Casey Jacox: But he was unlucky.
• 49:31
  Casey Jacox: When to break it, it, you know, like a spoon hit the olive oil and it broke and the whole thing went everywhere.
• 49:37
  Casey Jacox: God damn it.
• 49:39
  Casey Jacox: I'm like whoa.
• 49:40
  Casey Jacox: I'm like whoa easy bro, and I think my dad shot to him in heaven He was.
• 49:45
  Casey Jacox: He could drop the most amazing GD bombs And when he would do it, my sister and I would laugh so hard because it was so funny, but then he would get more mad.
• 49:52
  Casey Jacox: So maybe he's like my grandpa, mike's channeling a GD bomb through my son writer.
• 49:56
  Casey Jacox: But like that moment I found I felt myself slow down, like Hey, it's olive oil, we'll get more.
• 50:04
  Casey Jacox: I said you're the unlucky one.
• 50:06
  Casey Jacox: I did the same thing.
• 50:08
  Casey Jacox: It just didn't break for me.
• 50:09
  Casey Jacox: So take a deep breath.
• 50:10
  Casey Jacox: And then the dogs were in our way and my dog's got a cone around her head because she has an eye issue.
• 50:15
  Casey Jacox: It's like all this thing, i could boil it, boiling up.
• 50:17
  Casey Jacox: And I said, nope, I'm gonna take a deep breath.
• 50:19
  Casey Jacox: And writer's like Jenny, get out of here Summer.
• 50:23
  Casey Jacox: You know the dogs.
• 50:24
  Casey Jacox: I said, hey, bud, dogs, dogs don't speak English, so the louder you yell, they can't understand you.
• 50:29
  Casey Jacox: So you're actually making worse for me and for you.
• 50:32
  Casey Jacox: So let's take a deep breath, just go outside and I'll clean this up.
• 50:35
  Casey Jacox: He's like, no, i'll do it.
• 50:36
  Casey Jacox: So he calmed down.
• 50:36
  Casey Jacox: So it was like, oh my God, it worked.
• 50:38
  Casey Jacox: I didn't freak out.
• 50:39
  Casey Jacox: I wasn't Will Ferrell, We gotta keep our composure.
• 50:42
  Casey Jacox: You know, well done, well done.
• 50:44
  Mark Smythe: That's hard.
• 50:46
  Casey Jacox: Oh, dude, it's, and trust me, when my kids were young, i was probably known as, like dude chill out, and I didn't mean to, but I just you.
• 50:53
  Casey Jacox: You get wrapped up around all the things that we don't have control over, but, like, i think talking about this stuff is how we stay present and have perspective and have patience, like the things you talked about.
• 51:05
  Casey Jacox: So hopefully, dads, if there's dads listening, more than three or four You'll take our conversation.
• 51:12
  Casey Jacox: And my other challenge to you is just because you're not being interviewed on the podcast or have a podcast, there's no reason that these microphones should stop us from having these types of conversations with our buddies or our parents, or because this is, this is what life's about.
• 51:27
  Casey Jacox: It's about, you know, connection and relationships, and that's one thing I've been challenging myself is just trying to reach out to people more, and not just when I have to record a podcast or get the report podcast.
• 51:39
  Casey Jacox: It's a joke.
• 51:39
  Casey Jacox: We just don't do it.
• 51:40
  Casey Jacox: We get going too busy, we go going too fast.
• 51:43
  Mark Smythe: Well, i think you, it's a great, it's a great point, it's a great reminder.
• 51:46
  Mark Smythe: I'm certainly.
• 51:48
  Mark Smythe: You know it's just about taking your relationships for granted, that they'll be there tomorrow, that they're going to be as strong as they were yesterday or a year ago, and you know, i think you're strong friends.
• 51:58
  Mark Smythe: I'm getting together with some buddies in a couple of weeks who are just been core friends since high school, and I can't wait to have more of these kind of conversations because it's there's only a.
• 52:07
  Mark Smythe: You know, at least in my experience, to be able to have these really deep conversations is rare, so you either rely on good buddies that you can trust or vehicles like you, provided Honestly, i think this is just a very unique opportunity that you've set up for anyone on the show or anyone listening to the show.
• 52:27
  Mark Smythe: Just use this as an example.
• 52:30
  Mark Smythe: Whether, as you said, whether it's being recorded or not, i think it's just good to talk through, because this makes you feel like there's someone out there who's done some things like yeah, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.
• 52:41
  Casey Jacox: Well, i appreciate you saying that, mark.
• 52:42
  Casey Jacox: It's funny.
• 52:43
  Casey Jacox: You know, when I started this I did not.
• 52:46
  Casey Jacox: I didn't know where it was going.
• 52:47
  Casey Jacox: I didn't know if I'd still be doing it.
• 52:48
  Casey Jacox: So shout out Ty Nunez, my college teammate.
• 52:51
  Casey Jacox: That's an Uncle Rico moment right there for helping me get this thing off the ground another four years ago.
• 52:56
  Casey Jacox: But there was an episode in season three.
• 52:58
  Casey Jacox: Shout out, the late Don Harvey, a great, great man.
• 53:04
  Casey Jacox: Unfortunately, he passed away late last year of cancer And he worked at K-Force for years And part of his conversation that we had I mean, their family will have that forever.
• 53:19
  Casey Jacox: Now, when I'm doing, when I'm recording, i'm not thinking about that.
• 53:23
  Casey Jacox: And actually at his funeral they used part of our conversation, of his part of the story that it played at the funeral.
• 53:29
  Casey Jacox: Wow, now it's like you know, people can't see behind me, but there's a believe sign.
• 53:34
  Casey Jacox: It's like when I heard that story, demner brought me to my fricking knees into tears.
• 53:38
  Casey Jacox: I was like holy shit, man.
• 53:39
  Casey Jacox: I believe what I do matters And if you impact one person, no matter what you do, and it goes back to what your parents taught you.
• 53:45
  Casey Jacox: You know, my parents taught me treat people with respect, be nice, follow the golden rule And like, if more of us did that in life, watch what would happen to a culture, watch what would happen to our relationships, right.
• 53:57
  Mark Smythe: Yeah, no questions.
• 53:58
  Casey Jacox: Yeah, and I assume someone before we, like Ted Lasso, says be curious, not judgmental.
• 54:03
  Casey Jacox: Like something's going on to make that person act that way.
• 54:07
  Casey Jacox: Right, and your last name drop here.
• 54:11
  Casey Jacox: I got him Jweb, great sales and great recreation.
• 54:16
  Casey Jacox: his podcast called the Goats of Growth.
• 54:17
  Casey Jacox: but he told his kid he says happy people help and hurt people hurt.
• 54:23
  Casey Jacox: It was so simple, like I was like yeah makes sense, but we don't have to be that way.
• 54:29
  Casey Jacox: So it's like, and sometimes when we're feeling our worst, figure out a way to be nice and have gratitude about something because it can change the conversation, to bring some positivity to a relationship.
• 54:39
  Mark Smythe: Yeah, i think that it gets back down to you.
• 54:41
  Mark Smythe: You're 100% right, and I love all those quotes from J and from others, but it's just taking that moment to breathe.
• 54:47
  Mark Smythe: You know, that's something that I feel like I go back to all the time, just like, oh my God, we're like the olive oil thing, you know it's.
• 54:54
  Mark Smythe: it's those moments just like, ah, just breathe, like it's not that big.
• 54:58
  Mark Smythe: you know someone else's and I'll bastardize this quote, but it's the highs are never as high as they are, the lows are never as low as they are.
• 55:05
  Mark Smythe: You know it's.
• 55:06
  Mark Smythe: they feel like that in the moment, but they never are.
• 55:09
  Mark Smythe: You know, you look back the next day or like, how did I possibly get so worked up over something so small?
• 55:13
  Mark Smythe: You know, and I think, if we keep that perspective, it's the same exact thing going on with someone across the table from us or across the aisle, whatever.
• 55:21
  Mark Smythe: it is those little moments that seem so big in the moment.
• 55:24
  Mark Smythe: What is going on in their life that must have brought them to that place?
• 55:27
  Mark Smythe: you know, gets back to, gets back to listening and understanding and just being a being, a human, and not a jerk.
• 55:35
  Casey Jacox: Love it.
• 55:35
  Casey Jacox: Okay, as we wrap up here, um, before we go into some fun lightning round and stuff, i want to learn.
• 55:41
  Casey Jacox: um, well, last question that I'll ask I want to learn about what you're, what you're, what you're doing in your business, because I think people would love to learn more about you.
• 55:48
  Casey Jacox: If you're to summarize our conversation in two or three words or actions that dads can take from our conversation on ways they can become a better leader or quarterback of their other household, um, mark, tell me what comes to mind.
• 56:03
  Mark Smythe: I guess I'll go back to the challenges, right?
• 56:04
  Mark Smythe: Um, what was it?
• 56:06
  Mark Smythe: Patience, you know just having patience for your, for yourself, and giving yourself some grace, and to just be patient and becoming better every day, no matter what that version of it is, and certainly with your kids around you, to be patient with what's going on there.
• 56:20
  Mark Smythe: um, having a respect for perspective.
• 56:24
  Mark Smythe: and you know seeing the world from other people's eyes other than your own, and you know, if it's, if it's your children, just understanding and try to bring yourself back to that place, or understanding where they might be coming from.
• 56:36
  Mark Smythe: Um, just being being more mindful of what's going to be present.
• 56:40
  Mark Smythe: you know being present in the moment and just embrace.
• 56:43
  Mark Smythe: embrace the small ones as much as the big, because I think things you know my parents have always said, like you'll never know how quickly your, your kids, will grow up until you become a parent yourself.
• 56:53
  Mark Smythe: Like those days fly by and they do, and it's now that you're apparently like, oh my gosh, how is this?
• 56:57
  Mark Smythe: how do I almost have a teenager, how do I almost, you know, have someone going from preschool into kindergarten?
• 57:03
  Mark Smythe: Like, where did this little girl go?
• 57:04
  Mark Smythe: So it's, um, i fully appreciate all of those little little voices in my ear from my parents.
• 57:11
  Casey Jacox: Yeah, it's I that's so good.
• 57:13
  Casey Jacox: Um, patience, perspective, presence, everybody.
• 57:16
  Casey Jacox: Those are great, Great words, as Mark shared, that we can just focus on slowing down.
• 57:20
  Casey Jacox: Um, i'm going to use what you said about the highs and the lows as we talked about for my air, my setup.
• 57:25
  Casey Jacox: He didn't do the his best on the test.
• 57:27
  Casey Jacox: He's really bummed to happen right before I started recording, and so I'm going to go to up to him like listen, the positive thing is still got to be in the class, so it didn't go right.
• 57:35
  Casey Jacox: I know you tried your best because I watched you, said he it didn't go well.
• 57:39
  Casey Jacox: The sun's going to come up tomorrow and, um, give yourself some grace and let's figure out how we can finish the quarter strong, but you know so you're not going to go open a bilingual Spanish version of Microsoft.
• 57:54
  Casey Jacox: That's okay, we'll find a different job for you.
• 57:58
  Mark Smythe: There's plenty of opportunities out there.
• 58:02
  Casey Jacox: Oh, that's good.
• 58:03
  Casey Jacox: Uh, okay, um, tell me about you.
• 58:05
  Casey Jacox: People want to learn more about what you're up to.
• 58:07
  Casey Jacox: Um, i know you were a corporate guy like me, but now you've you've taken taken this leap of entrepreneurship.
• 58:13
  Casey Jacox: So how can people connect with you, learn more about what you're doing and you may be engaged with you.
• 58:18
  Mark Smythe: I appreciate it, casey.
• 58:19
  Mark Smythe: Um, yeah, i'm a career sales guy.
• 58:21
  Mark Smythe: I've been in direct sales, sales leadership, sales consulting and along the way kind of found the the bug for storytelling as a way and I'll go back to listening but really finding a way to listen with intention and to communicate with purpose, um, so today I've dovetailed that into my own business is called Story Dynamics.
• 58:42
  Mark Smythe: It's D Y N A M I Xcom.
• 58:45
  Mark Smythe: So if you want to learn about the business, you can go to Story Dynamicscom.
• 58:49
  Mark Smythe: But essentially I work with go to market teams, you know, sales marketing, sales enablements, um and individuals um within those different functions to help them just to connect easier and to convert faster through the power of storytelling, um in story frameworks.
• 59:04
  Mark Smythe: So that's what I'm doing today and I love doing it.
• 59:07
  Mark Smythe: Um, people can reach out to me, you know there, or they can find me on LinkedIn or it's just mark at Story Dynamicscom.
• 59:15
  Mark Smythe: I'd be happy to happy to chat, we'd love to love it.
• 59:20
  Casey Jacox: All those will be linked in the show notes.
• 59:21
  Casey Jacox: Everybody.
• 59:21
  Casey Jacox: And when, Mark, when I, when I came across Mark and shout out to LJ, thank you for making this connection Um, I had this phrase I talked to my clients about.
• 59:29
  Casey Jacox: It's like story sell slides don't.
• 59:31
  Casey Jacox: And so when I heard like storytelling, I'm like, Oh, I love this, I can't wait because we stories you can relate to, it's like a metaphor, It's you know, and even like with pilots, I, there's so many, I think, analogies with flying and selling um around, like cockpit, cockpit communication or communication between the flight deck and the cat and the passengers, and just expectation management And um, so sometimes I use those, those stories.
• 59:53
  Casey Jacox: So, anyway, I think it's cool And I um, I know people will want to reach out because I think it's um one to also get your free tips on the birds and the bees talk, but also learn about story dynamics.
• 1:00:06
  Mark Smythe: Oh gosh, let's hope I'm better at telling stories than the birds and the bees.
• 1:00:10
  Casey Jacox: Okay Now it's time to go.
• 1:00:13
  Casey Jacox: I need you to get your game face on, because now it's, we're going to the lightning round, which I go completely, completely random.
• 1:00:19
  Casey Jacox: You're going to see what's the negative impacts of having too many hits not bond hits, but football hits in college football And your job is to answer these quick questions as quickly as you can.
• 1:00:30
  Casey Jacox: My job is to try to get the giggle out of you.
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  Mark Smythe: Got it Done.
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  Casey Jacox: Okay, all right, i'm ready.
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  Casey Jacox: True or false, your favorite Cincinnati quarterback was Boomer and Seisen.
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  Casey Jacox: True, not John Kittner.
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  Casey Jacox: Nope, definitely Boomer.
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  Casey Jacox: Okay, i'm gonna say true, that's true, he was a part of the.
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  Casey Jacox: West Coast too.
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  Mark Smythe: Yeah, played quarterback Uncle Rick.
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  Casey Jacox: Let's go.
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  Mark Smythe: You can't not answer Boomer though, but anyway, go ahead, that's cool.
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  Casey Jacox: Number seven the slinging lefty.
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  Casey Jacox: True or false?
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  Casey Jacox: When you close a deal, you do the icky shuffle.
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  Mark Smythe: All the time true?
• 1:01:10
  Mark Smythe: No, that's definitely false, but I wish I could.
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  Mark Smythe: That was legendary back in the day.
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  Casey Jacox: We both laugh, we both lose, but that was good.
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  Casey Jacox: Again, this is random.
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  Casey Jacox: Okay, if I was to go into your phone right now, what would be the last song listened to that you would not want Holly to know you listened to, oh my gosh, because she would make fun of you.
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  Mark Smythe: She probably already knows it Willow T Swift It's such a jam.
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  Mark Smythe: I'm not afraid to say it.
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  Mark Smythe: It's so good She makes me bust my chaffs all the time for liking that song.
• 1:01:48
  Casey Jacox: T Swift is good.
• 1:01:49
  Casey Jacox: She's good.
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  Casey Jacox: Yeah, maybe she'll sponsor the podcast future episode.
• 1:01:53
  Mark Smythe: Yeah, there you go.
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  Mark Smythe: Shout out to T Swift and Willow.
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  Casey Jacox: Tell me the last book you read.
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  Mark Smythe: Yours, when the relationship not the deal.
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  Casey Jacox: I did not know that everybody.
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  Casey Jacox: That's not a shameless plug.
• 1:02:05
  Mark Smythe: And I'm not lying, that was.
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  Mark Smythe: I just finished it the other day.
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  Casey Jacox: Damn you.
• 1:02:08
  Casey Jacox: read that fast, bro.
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  Casey Jacox: Appreciate it, You know, I appreciate it.
• 1:02:12
  Mark Smythe: I appreciate you.
• 1:02:13
  Mark Smythe: Let me know you wrote it.
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  Casey Jacox: If you were to book a vacation right now?
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  Casey Jacox: no kids, just you and Holly.
• 1:02:19
  Casey Jacox: Where are you?
• 1:02:21
  Mark Smythe: going Skiing out West.
• 1:02:24
  Mark Smythe: Take that back.
• 1:02:26
  Mark Smythe: No, I'm going to Wine Country.
• 1:02:28
  Mark Smythe: I've never been there.
• 1:02:30
  Casey Jacox: Now, if we go skiing, are we thinking, if you did go skiing because Wine Country was closed?
• 1:02:33
  Casey Jacox: are we thinking like full on downhill giant slalom?
• 1:02:38
  Casey Jacox: We think it's ski jumping?
• 1:02:38
  Casey Jacox: Are we thinking, just a nice blue square, leisurely run?
• 1:02:42
  Mark Smythe: I'm thinking some nice blues and a hot tub and some good cocktails, opera ski, maybe a little fire.
• 1:02:51
  Casey Jacox: Sounds delicious, yeah, okay, if there was a book written about your life, tell me the title.
• 1:02:57
  Casey Jacox: Oh, that's a good one.
• 1:03:01
  Mark Smythe: Work in progress.
• 1:03:03
  Casey Jacox: Okay Now, mark, believe it or not, you don't know this, but work in progress is starting to hit every newsstand, it's in every airport.
• 1:03:11
  Casey Jacox: Netflix is found out about it, hulu is found out about it.
• 1:03:13
  Casey Jacox: They're out fighting to get this critically acclaimed movie out.
• 1:03:18
  Casey Jacox: But, as the casting director, i need to know who's going to star you in this movie.
• 1:03:25
  Mark Smythe: Oh, how about Jason Bateman?
• 1:03:28
  Casey Jacox: I love Bateman Guys so good.
• 1:03:30
  Casey Jacox: I think he's hilarious.
• 1:03:31
  Mark Smythe: And if he could make my life hilarious, that'd be even better.
• 1:03:34
  Casey Jacox: Fantastic choice.
• 1:03:35
  Casey Jacox: Bateman, believe it or not, is on my wish list On my goal board behind me.
• 1:03:38
  Casey Jacox: you can't see on my podcast list.
• 1:03:40
  Casey Jacox: He is a dad Bateman.
• 1:03:41
  Casey Jacox: if you're listening, i think you'd be a fantastic guest.
• 1:03:44
  Casey Jacox: Maybe we'll tag him in the show notes to see if he lets us do it.
• 1:03:47
  Casey Jacox: Yeah, yeah yeah, he would be amazing.
• 1:03:48
  Casey Jacox: Okay, last question Tell me two words to describe Holly.
• 1:03:56
  Mark Smythe: Huge hearted hyphenated.
• 1:03:59
  Mark Smythe: Well, it's still, it counts as one driven.
• 1:04:05
  Casey Jacox: Love it.
• 1:04:05
  Casey Jacox: I love asking that question when I because I you learn it makes people think And sometimes people will say, oh, i can't say that, but it's like it's from the heart, and so I love I've never had, i've had driven before, but not huge hearted.
• 1:04:19
  Casey Jacox: That's awesome.
• 1:04:20
  Casey Jacox: I love those.
• 1:04:20
  Casey Jacox: We both lose, we both giggled, but I had a fantastic time, mark, learning more about you and your family, and I love everything you're up to.
• 1:04:30
  Casey Jacox: Lauren, thank you so much for making this conversation happen today.
• 1:04:32
  Casey Jacox: We'll make sure she's taken the show notes.
• 1:04:34
  Casey Jacox: Well, i want to say shout out to my friends at latitude Sitka.
• 1:04:38
  Casey Jacox: I will be there when this episode comes out And I'll be able to tell you how it went soon.
• 1:04:42
  Casey Jacox: They're the own island in Sitka, Alaska.
• 1:04:44
  Casey Jacox: So if you're a corporate team, if you're looking for a leadership retreat, you're looking to do like a 40 birthday party, do anything fun, go up and check them out.
• 1:04:51
  Casey Jacox: They're going to just give you an amazing fishing experience.
• 1:04:55
  Casey Jacox: If you're in the state of Washington, i want to give a shout out to my college teammate who owns ACME homes Washington.
• 1:05:01
  Casey Jacox: They're another key sponsor of us who've been here for now two years And we're so grateful for for them trying to use their platform to help make fathers better leaders of their homes.
• 1:05:11
  Casey Jacox: Mark, thank you for your time, brother.
• 1:05:14
  Casey Jacox: It's been an honor spending time with you And I know we'll be talking again soon, buddy.
• 1:05:17
  Mark Smythe: Thank you so much In case.
• 1:05:18
  Mark Smythe: It was a pleasure and I had a blast.
• 1:05:20
  Mark Smythe: Thank you Be that.