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OTB Top 25 #9 Reveal + Saints Injury Talk with Dr. Ethridge · Off The Bench

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  Speaker 3: All right, welcome back again.
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  Speaker 4: Now number two OTB one oh four five ESPN Ben Route.
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  Speaker 4: It is now time for the OTB Top twenty five
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  Speaker 4: and we are getting to number nine. A quick recap
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  Speaker 4: at twenty five, it's Boise State at twenty four, Memphis
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  Speaker 4: at twenty three, Baylor at twenty two, Georgia Tech at
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  Speaker 4: twenty one, Tennessee at twenty, Iowa State at nineteen, Texas
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  Speaker 4: A and M at eighteen, Indiana at seventeen, Ole Miss
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  Speaker 4: fifteen or sixteen, Florida fifteen, Texas Tech fourteen, SMU thirteen,
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  Speaker 4: Arizona State twelve at Alabama eleven, Miami at number ten.
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  Speaker 4: It was Illinois and at number nine a Landra at lumber.
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  Speaker 3: Nine, Villa Reale.
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  Speaker 2: I'm excited.
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  Speaker 5: I'm gonna do it, guys.
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  Speaker 3: Oh no, I'm going to do it.
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  Speaker 5: No, what Texas I'm putting Texas at Yeah, alright, do
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  Speaker 5: what you get. I'm not ready to crown them number one,
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  Speaker 5: not ready to put them in the top five yet.
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  Speaker 5: I just feel like they have so much to prove.
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  Speaker 5: That's kind of I feel like that's kind of the
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  Speaker 5: storyline for Texas in general coming into the season. Obviously,
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  Speaker 5: Arch Manning, we've talked about it at nauseum about how
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  Speaker 5: he has so much to prove, all of this pressure
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  Speaker 5: on him because everybody's crowning him the Heisman winner in
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  Speaker 5: the preseason before we've seen anything from him. But they
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  Speaker 5: lose twelve of their starters, a lot of their defenses returning,
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  Speaker 5: but well, the defense also finished ranked third last season.
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  Speaker 5: They only have one returner on their O line, so
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  Speaker 5: that's a little and Steve Sarkisian himself also said that
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  Speaker 5: that's probably his biggest concern two weeks out into the
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  Speaker 5: two weeks out from the season. But they lose two
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  Speaker 5: very productive wide receivers, but they keep Wisner, who was
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  Speaker 5: very very productive for the offense, rushed for over one
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  Speaker 5: thousand yards last season. Like I said, they lose Isaiah
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  Speaker 5: Bond and Matthew Golden, but they return Ryan Wingo who
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  Speaker 5: had some playing time last season, and DeAndre Moore junior.
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  Speaker 5: They both had like four over four hundred receiving yards.
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  Speaker 5: And then they get Khalie Lockett, who is a true freshman,
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  Speaker 5: five star recruit who's poised to make an impact on
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  Speaker 5: this team. And they do have a pretty favorable schedule. So,
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  Speaker 5: but does anybody here in this room think that they'll
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  Speaker 5: win the opener?
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  Speaker 2: I do not. I think they lose to host it.
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  Speaker 3: I think they lose.
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  Speaker 4: I think they lose.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they lose by double.
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  Speaker 3: Digits, but they'll lose.
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  Speaker 6: I'm actually with you on that one.
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  Speaker 4: Horns down the Texas really good Defensively, They're great, They're
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  Speaker 4: no doubt about it. They got the best player in
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  Speaker 4: the country and Jem Smith I think is really good defense.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. Like I said, they're returning defense, yes, exactly. And
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  Speaker 5: those are where all my questions are. I think that's
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  Speaker 5: where majority of people's questions are is on the offense.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't know if it is they're ranked number
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  Speaker 2: one on everything that's actually fair, arc is going number
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  Speaker 2: one in the draft next year? Are there questions for me?
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  Speaker 3: There are?
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  Speaker 2: Their polls don't matter.
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  Speaker 5: Their polls don't matter. The only one that matter is
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  Speaker 5: the OTV poll. They do get a couple of defensive
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  Speaker 5: linemen in the portal. They had like a very quiet
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  Speaker 5: portal haul of only five players that they signed. But
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  Speaker 5: one of the also another big loss for Texas is
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  Speaker 5: Gunner Helms and he was a like you talk about
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  Speaker 5: safety blanket. He was quin you were safety blanket. But
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  Speaker 5: they go into the portal and they signed Jack Injuries
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  Speaker 5: from cal and then another wide receiver from Stanford who
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  Speaker 5: had five hundred and twenty five receiving yards last season,
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  Speaker 5: So they do replace some of it. They do have
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  Speaker 5: some returners that are wide receivers, but they don't have
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  Speaker 5: Matthew Golden and Isaiah Bond Gunner Helms and uh yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I'm gonna put them at ten or nine, sorry nine.
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  Speaker 2: When we get all the way to one, can we like,
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  Speaker 2: as a stage, can we make a press release with
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  Speaker 2: our top twenty five and see of people picking up
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  Speaker 2: We should see how far somebody can pick this up.
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  Speaker 2: Like radio station North Dakota talking about these.
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  Speaker 5: Idiots, I think we should Texas Texas audio stations.
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  Speaker 6: And we not put like baton rouge on it and
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  Speaker 6: just be like just put it out and people are like.
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  Speaker 2: Ye love it.
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  Speaker 4: Texas schedule we all know that's where I was at
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  Speaker 4: Ohio State Landra, what does it look like after you
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  Speaker 4: played the buck Eyes on the road.
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  Speaker 5: So you host San Jose State and then you host
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  Speaker 5: U T L Paso, You host Sam Houston, so again
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  Speaker 5: a favorable schedule, but then you go to Florida and
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  Speaker 5: if DJ Lagway in Florida is as good as everybody
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  Speaker 5: saying they are, then they might have some troubles there.
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  Speaker 5: They host Oklahoma, which that's played in the Cotton Bowl usually.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're they're the home team this year. Yeah, that's
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  Speaker 3: gonna be.
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  Speaker 5: At Kentucky at Mississippi States.
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  Speaker 2: Those are wins.
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  Speaker 5: Then they host Vanderbilt at Georgia which is gonna be tough,
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  Speaker 5: host Arkansas, and then they also in the season hosting
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  Speaker 5: Texas A and M, which might also maybe be.
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  Speaker 4: A tricky one.
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  Speaker 3: So well stretch for them to end the season. Now
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  Speaker 3: two of those games are at home.
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  Speaker 4: Look, those schedules certainly not one of the more difficult
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  Speaker 4: ones in the in the Southeastern Conference, it was not,
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  Speaker 4: and now it's just flipped and just where they play
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  Speaker 4: the game is different.
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  Speaker 2: So buddy, they're gonna get them, fear Mater, You.
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  Speaker 4: Do have look you've got a Georgia problem, and so
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  Speaker 4: you're playing at Georgia on November the fifteenth, and then
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  Speaker 4: you have two rival games against Arkansas and Texas A
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  Speaker 4: and M.
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  Speaker 3: Again, both those games are at home.
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  Speaker 4: But with this schedule, like, I think that's maybe why
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  Speaker 4: a lot of people like Texas as well. It's the schedule,
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  Speaker 4: ye Like when you look at THEIRS compared to Oklahoma's,
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  Speaker 4: or THEIRS compared to Florida, or There's compared to even LSU,
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  Speaker 4: doesn't compare right right now outside now, look, I give
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  Speaker 4: you a lot of credit for going to play Ohio
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  Speaker 4: State on the road, but I'm talking about just the
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  Speaker 4: conference portion of this.
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  Speaker 3: You you know, you go against a fifteenth.
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  Speaker 4: Rank Florida team and a nineteenth rank Texas A and
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  Speaker 4: M team, So your your schedule really comes down to
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  Speaker 4: at Ohio State and at Georgia for me, which is
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  Speaker 4: two brutal games, don't get me wrong. But outside of that,
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  Speaker 4: everything else feels like you can manage it.
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  Speaker 6: I think even if they lose game one to Ohio State,
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  Speaker 6: probably still picking Texas to go ten and two. I mean,
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  Speaker 6: it's going to be tough in Florida. I think Texas
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  Speaker 6: is a better team. They could lose the Oklahoma game,
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  Speaker 6: but you get past Florida and Oklahoma, you're likely not
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  Speaker 6: losing a game until you get.
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  Speaker 2: To ten and two, losing the playoffs. That's a good
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  Speaker 2: recipe for number nine in the country at the end
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  Speaker 2: of the year.
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  Speaker 3: Very fair summer.
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  Speaker 6: I like, I love their defense. Their offense concerns are a
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  Speaker 6: little bit not because of Arch. I think Archer is
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  Speaker 6: going to be good. We do have to see it,
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  Speaker 6: you know, before we can and annoyed him the king
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  Speaker 6: of college football. But they lose their top three receivers
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  Speaker 6: here ago. Now Sark did a great job, brought in
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  Speaker 6: two different five stars, Khalik Lockett, but also Jamie French,
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  Speaker 6: who LSU wanted very badly. You get wise in their back.
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  Speaker 2: But Jayden Blue, he got.
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  Speaker 6: You a lot of tough yards last year. He plays
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  Speaker 6: for the Dallas Cowboys. Now he's gone as well. Like
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  Speaker 6: as good as that defense is going to be. The offense,
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  Speaker 6: I think it's gonna be good. But out of the gate,
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  Speaker 6: you gotta play a good defense like Ohio stage. I
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  Speaker 6: think they're gonna sputter a little bit out of the game.
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  Speaker 6: But I think Texas is gonna be really good.
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  Speaker 2: What's the line four and a half four at so
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  Speaker 2: interesting comment in the chat right now, somebody said Texas
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  Speaker 2: would be favored over a house state if it was
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  Speaker 2: at Texas. That's true, I don't think so. I think
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  Speaker 2: probably favored. I don't think they'd win, but I think probably.
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  Speaker 2: You think they'd be the betting favorite probably right now.
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  Speaker 2: I think so.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, just look at them on paper, They're not
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  Speaker 6: that dissimilar, ye, And I mean, what they're three If
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  Speaker 6: they're a three and a half point.
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  Speaker 3: Favorite alive, the lines down to two, okay.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, something would be even money. Any more.
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  Speaker 3: Thoughts on the Texas Longhorns.
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  Speaker 4: I think obviously they are going to go as arch
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  Speaker 4: Manning takes them. I think their defense is going to
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  Speaker 4: keep them in every single game that they play this year.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's gonna be one of the best defenses
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  Speaker 4: in the country. Can their playmakers make plays. They get
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  Speaker 4: some running backs back from injury, that's going to be big.
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  Speaker 4: They returned the only thousand yard rusher in the SEC.
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  Speaker 4: That's also going to help any young quarterback. You know,
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  Speaker 4: the receiver position is going to be critical, the offensive
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  Speaker 4: line is going to be critical, but it's going to
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  Speaker 4: go as arch Manning goes. I think we can all
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  Speaker 4: agree there, yeah, agreed, Yeah, Marcision, pretty.
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  Speaker 3: Good play, caller, it's pretty good play.
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  Speaker 2: But you gotta you gotta worry about the longevity the
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  Speaker 2: team's gonna have. They are not real hydrated. Oh, I
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  Speaker 2: think we kick him out of the top ten because
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  Speaker 2: of that, making me horns down.
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  Speaker 4: All right, the Texas Longhorn, I'm with you, the number
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  Speaker 4: nine team and the OTB Top twenty five.
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  Speaker 3: Uh, tomorrow will be number eight.
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  Speaker 4: And then on the final day if you're trying to
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  Speaker 4: do some quick math there you're wondering, Wait a minute,
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  Speaker 4: you don't have enough days. Actually number two and number
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  Speaker 4: one will be on the Friday before the opening weekend
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  Speaker 4: of college football. We go there, you go, number nine,
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  Speaker 4: the Texas Longhorns. All right, we will take a break,
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  Speaker 4: and when we come back, doctor stephn Ethridge will join us.
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  Speaker 4: So you know we obviously I'm gonna talk some injuries
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  Speaker 4: here with doctor Etheridge, and like more than just like
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  Speaker 4: get into okay, this guy and this injury, what's the timetable?
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  Speaker 4: Like just the injury itself is typically what we kind
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  Speaker 4: of get into there. So obviously there's you know, some
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  Speaker 4: Saints offensive linemen there down there's some Saints tight ends
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  Speaker 4: that are down right now. But okay, so turf toe
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  Speaker 4: is one of the things that is keeping a Saints
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  Speaker 4: offensive lineman out right now. And we were kind of
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  Speaker 4: joking because I had the same thought as you had
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  Speaker 4: growing up. When Dion Sanders had turf toe. I remember
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  Speaker 4: hearing that as you know, gosh, ten year old whatever,
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  Speaker 4: it was like turf toe. Man, if I said, if
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  Speaker 4: I told my dad, I can't go out there because
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  Speaker 4: I got turf toe, you know what you would say
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  Speaker 4: to me? What is turf toe? And like how long
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  Speaker 4: is that recovery? And when you go out there, is
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  Speaker 4: it a situation where you can try to get back
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  Speaker 4: too soon and you know, just continue to hurt it.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, it's funny because like you said, it's it's one
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  Speaker 8: of those things that just does sound like a big deal.
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  Speaker 3: It's a toe injury. We don't think a whole lot
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  Speaker 3: about that.
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  Speaker 8: But when you're talking about a turf toe, it's specifically
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  Speaker 8: a big toe injury, so the great toe of the
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  Speaker 8: big toe. And sometimes they'll lump a few different diagnoses
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  Speaker 8: in that category. But technically, when we talk about a
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  Speaker 8: turf toe, it's an injury to what's called the plant
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  Speaker 8: or plate, so that's on the bottom of the toe,
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  Speaker 8: so it's the area right at the base of the
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  Speaker 8: big toe. And what happens is that toe gets hyper extended.
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  Speaker 8: So if your foot's kind of bent and you come
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  Speaker 8: down the front of that toe and that hyper extended position,
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  Speaker 8: especially if you have like all your weight come down
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  Speaker 8: on or somebody falls on the back of your foot
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  Speaker 8: or falls on your body, you can sprain or even tear.
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  Speaker 3: That ligament is kind of capsule under the toe.
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  Speaker 8: And so then every time you try to push off,
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  Speaker 8: And as much as we don't think of toe as
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  Speaker 8: being that important, especially that big toe, if you think
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  Speaker 8: about how much with a sport you're up on your toes,
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  Speaker 8: you're pushing off everything you do.
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  Speaker 3: That's explosive.
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  Speaker 8: So even as alignment, when you're getting out of your stands,
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  Speaker 8: when you're having this kickstep and come back and land
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  Speaker 8: on that toe in that bent position, every time you're
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  Speaker 8: hitting that tear, every time you're hitting that injury. So
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  Speaker 8: while it doesn't sound like it's that big of a deal,
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  Speaker 8: I mean it can be excruciating it and functionally very difficult.
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  Speaker 3: Is it something that you can continue to like make worse?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: It is it a pain situation?
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  Speaker 4: Can you continue to just look every time you go
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  Speaker 4: out there, it just you kind of hate reset.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you know, like a lot of injuries about severity.
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  Speaker 8: So turf toe, if you have a mile kind of
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  Speaker 8: a Grade one that's more of a spring that kind
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  Speaker 8: of stretch it, you kind of irritated it. Those are
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  Speaker 8: the injuries you can kind of play with with those guys.
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  Speaker 8: You know, sometimes put it like a carbon fiber insole
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  Speaker 8: on the shoe that gives a little more rigidity to
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  Speaker 8: the shoe, so there's a little bit less bend to
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  Speaker 8: that toe. You can do the typically you know, therapy,
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  Speaker 8: anti inflammatory is all the normal stuff that we do
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  Speaker 8: in that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you can usually play through that.
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  Speaker 8: Now when you start getting in the grade two, that's
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  Speaker 8: a partial tear, that's the one that you know, we
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  Speaker 8: might boot that guy for you know, anywhere from four
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  Speaker 8: to six weeks, kind of keeping them kind of you know,
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  Speaker 8: to let that heal. But those will heal and then
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  Speaker 8: you can have a full tear. So if you if
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  Speaker 8: you push these guys back too early, yeah you could
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  Speaker 8: tear it. Full tear is usually going to be surgery.
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  Speaker 8: So that's you know, potentially season ending if that's the case.
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  Speaker 2: Can we come up with like a just a more
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  Speaker 2: better name for it, because what you're explaining here, it's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's like a torn tendon like in the bottom of
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  Speaker 2: at my big toe, right, Like, let's just come up
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  Speaker 2: with a little bit better name, more severe you say,
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  Speaker 2: like like a torn achilles or a torn a cl
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  Speaker 2: Everyone's like, whoa you say turf toe.
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  Speaker 3: It does make it sound really bad.
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  Speaker 8: And you know, and I guess you know, you can
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  Speaker 8: always use fancier words, you know, a sprain of the
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  Speaker 8: plate at the first, you know, metata turf if you
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  Speaker 8: want to get it, Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 2: I take it back, that's right, but with a planner though.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if you've ever had like plantar fasciaties.
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  Speaker 4: I've I've had that, and they're like, it's better to
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  Speaker 4: actually have that fully tear, then maybe just have something
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  Speaker 4: partial that it's gonna continue to just you know.
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  Speaker 3: Aggravate you. Like I actually heard mine Pope.
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  Speaker 8: Like plantar fashion those they just feel better when they tear.
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  Speaker 8: You know, it's it's it's chronically inflamed and irritated plantar fascia.
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  Speaker 8: You know, compare the toe because it's not quite as
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  Speaker 8: structurally significant that big toe being able to flex and
• 16:52
  Speaker 8: push off of it. You know, if you have a
• 16:53
  Speaker 8: complete disruption there, functionally, you're gonna be limited.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: Man, I want to talk to out. We brought him up. Al,
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: you got a friend of the show here and he
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: will clap. So, first preseason game, couple of couple of
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: plays into god, you know, an experience that so excited
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: to get back to New Orleans. So kind of heartbreaking
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: the scene and like go down with an injury so
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: fast in the first like preseason game. So he has
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: a Liz Frank injury and in his right foot. Can
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: you kind of explain what that is, Like, what like
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: from a medical standpoint, what a Liz Frank is and
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: like what is actually tearing or breaking in the foot.
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so Liz Frank.
• 17:30
  Speaker 8: It's kind of fun because at least a little more
• 17:32
  Speaker 8: mysterious name there. It's not quite it's a fun name
• 17:34
  Speaker 8: and a lame as a turf toe sounding it was.
• 17:36
  Speaker 8: But so so this is an injury more in the midfoot.
• 17:38
  Speaker 8: So another foot injury. These these are unfortunately not that
• 17:41
  Speaker 8: uncommon in sports. Typically this is going to be a
• 17:43
  Speaker 8: little bigger injury. I mean there's all again degrees of severity.
• 17:46
  Speaker 8: Is this just a mile this Frank sprain versus a
• 17:48
  Speaker 8: complete disruption. But you have this area right at the
• 17:51
  Speaker 8: base of your what are called your metatarsals. So the
• 17:54
  Speaker 8: meta tarsals are the long bones in the foot. They're
• 17:56
  Speaker 8: the they're the bones that kind of go from the
• 17:57
  Speaker 8: midfoot to the toe. So we all have more on
• 18:00
  Speaker 8: that basically lines up with each toast. You have five
• 18:01
  Speaker 8: meta tarsal bones, and at the base of that second
• 18:04
  Speaker 8: meta tarsal where it articulates with the rest of the foot,
• 18:08
  Speaker 8: these smaller tarsal bones, you can have a disruption of
• 18:10
  Speaker 8: a ligament there and potentially break the base of that
• 18:13
  Speaker 8: second meta tarsal. So, Liz Frank, injury is really some
• 18:15
  Speaker 8: combination of one of those two things.
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: There's a ligament and a.
• 18:19
  Speaker 8: Bone, sometimes both, sometimes one, and just like we're talking
• 18:22
  Speaker 8: about with the turf toe, if it's a mild sprain,
• 18:24
  Speaker 8: you know, that might be something that we can kind
• 18:25
  Speaker 8: of boot up for a little bit, we can sort
• 18:27
  Speaker 8: of work with it. But once you get a true
• 18:29
  Speaker 8: disruption of the ligament or if you have the fracture injury,
• 18:32
  Speaker 8: that joint becomes unstable, and an unstable joint in a
• 18:35
  Speaker 8: foot that's carrying all your weight, especially a big guy
• 18:37
  Speaker 8: like will, Yeah, that's not a good injury.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: So that's usually gonna be surgery.
• 18:40
  Speaker 8: You're usingly have to go restabilize, put a screw in,
• 18:43
  Speaker 8: put some kind of a tight wire, depending on where
• 18:45
  Speaker 8: the injury is, and then let that heal.
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: Man, you start talking about all the different injuries just
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: in the foot alone, I know, right, and like how
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: many different things can go wrong?
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was about to ask you a four list, right?
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: Is it a surgical situation? So you're talking, yeah, it
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: could be, depending on severity, plate screws, things like that.
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: Right, And I'm not sure with Will's situation.
• 19:05
  Speaker 8: I haven't heard the official, but you know, if you
• 19:07
  Speaker 8: hear he's out for the season, you know my assumption
• 19:09
  Speaker 8: is more than likely he's getting that fixed.
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: All right. So ACL is something that you know, we
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: talk about probably more than any injury in sports. It's
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: the ACL and it's the how long is it going
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: to take to get back?
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: Now?
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: Obviously, if we're having this conversation twenty years ago, like
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: we're not even really having it, it's like, nope, done
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: out Sea, doesn't matter. It's going to be like a
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: full calendar year, like twelve months, and we're talking maybe
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: even longer than that. But now we're seeing guys come
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: back I think much quicker from that injury. The Saint's
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: got a couple tight ends that are dealing with that
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: that you know, they happen at the end of last year.
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: Is it possible for them to have that in December
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: January and then assume that they can help you out
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: in September?
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: You know, September is hard.
• 19:52
  Speaker 8: We've had guys probably kind of in that eight ish
• 19:55
  Speaker 8: month range, probably on the short end to make it back.
• 19:58
  Speaker 8: That's where we are now, and like you said, that's
• 20:00
  Speaker 8: it's much faster than what it used to be, but
• 20:02
  Speaker 8: unfortunately that's probably the shortest you're gonna see. And for
• 20:05
  Speaker 8: for somebody to get back at that eight month it
• 20:06
  Speaker 8: really needs to be a perfect case scenario, just an
• 20:09
  Speaker 8: ACL injury, because sometimes you damage the ACL, you can
• 20:12
  Speaker 8: have moniscus and cartilage injuries with it and everything that
• 20:15
  Speaker 8: goes into that slows the recovery a little bit. And
• 20:17
  Speaker 8: then you just got to really just have really good fortune.
• 20:19
  Speaker 8: We're very lucky, you know, with our athletes that we
• 20:21
  Speaker 8: have so many resources, uh what we have today even
• 20:24
  Speaker 8: compared to a few years ago. Let alone when when
• 20:26
  Speaker 8: when you all played or when I played, even it
• 20:28
  Speaker 8: wasn't that long ago that the advances we have.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: You know, except I appreciate it.
• 20:32
  Speaker 8: It's it's it's it's it's the rehab, it's the nutrition,
• 20:36
  Speaker 8: it's knowledge, it's it's better surgical techniques. There's a lot
• 20:39
  Speaker 8: of things that go into it. But unfortunately you're still
• 20:42
  Speaker 8: looking at several months. You know that the graft has
• 20:44
  Speaker 8: to heal in so when you when it's an ACL injury,
• 20:47
  Speaker 8: you basically make a new ACL. It's not you don't
• 20:49
  Speaker 8: go in and fix the old one. So that that
• 20:51
  Speaker 8: new ACL, basically we have to see it mature. We
• 20:54
  Speaker 8: have see the bone around it grow in. We have
• 20:55
  Speaker 8: to see all that. Then you've got to get your
• 20:57
  Speaker 8: muscle strength back. You know, you got to be fairly
• 20:59
  Speaker 8: symmetric toye side. You got to have good balance, appropriate recession,
• 21:02
  Speaker 8: and basically teach the body to use this new knee
• 21:04
  Speaker 8: right as technically it's not the same knee it was,
• 21:07
  Speaker 8: So you have to kind of learn all that again.
• 21:09
  Speaker 8: So that whole process takes takes months, and if you
• 21:12
  Speaker 8: rush it, you're probably gonna retear it and come back
• 21:15
  Speaker 8: just weaker and not as as functionally well. But again,
• 21:18
  Speaker 8: reinjury is a big concern.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: How has the over the years, how often does that
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: surgery for an aco because I would say from season
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: ending it's like the most prevalent one for a season
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: ending type interlay. What has all changed because I know,
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: like there's been periods of time where it's like cadaver.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: There has been you take hamstring, muscle, like you take
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: different things. So what is that grafting process now, Like,
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: what are the specifics why it is so much better
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: and faster now than it was you know, probably five
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: to ten, you know, certainly twenty years ago.
• 21:49
  Speaker 8: Yeah, so some of it, like like you said, there
• 21:50
  Speaker 8: are different graphs. Most of the times we're using something
• 21:54
  Speaker 8: from your own body. So you can use cadaver tendons
• 21:57
  Speaker 8: and ligaments, but you know the problem with those is
• 21:59
  Speaker 8: sometimes the little bit weaker, there's a little bit more
• 22:01
  Speaker 8: risk that those may tear again in the future.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: So we find that if we're able to use your
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: own bodies tissue, we're able to do better.
• 22:08
  Speaker 8: Usually that's coming from either your hamstring, the pateeller ten
• 22:11
  Speaker 8: or the quad ten and those the big three that
• 22:12
  Speaker 8: were typically using.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: You'll talk to different guys.
• 22:15
  Speaker 8: That's always a debate in our circles which one's better,
• 22:17
  Speaker 8: you know, And there's some reasons why each one probably
• 22:20
  Speaker 8: has favorability over the other.
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: You know, one might be a little more.
• 22:23
  Speaker 8: Durable, one might get you back a little quicker, you know,
• 22:25
  Speaker 8: And we can sit here and have a whole scientific
• 22:27
  Speaker 8: discussion on which is better. That could last days and
• 22:29
  Speaker 8: probably not determine it to everybody's satisfaction. But the reality
• 22:33
  Speaker 8: of it is, what we found is that using your
• 22:36
  Speaker 8: own tissue typically goes better. And then those techniques for
• 22:39
  Speaker 8: how we get that, you know, going in and harvesting,
• 22:41
  Speaker 8: because if we're taking a portion of your Beteller tendon, well,
• 22:43
  Speaker 8: not only does that ACL have to heal, but that
• 22:44
  Speaker 8: Pteller tendon has to heal. You might have p Teller
• 22:46
  Speaker 8: tendon I has problems down the road and things like that,
• 22:49
  Speaker 8: So we got to be really careful with how we're
• 22:50
  Speaker 8: harvesting it. But I think a lot of it is
• 22:52
  Speaker 8: we've learned the perfect amount to take, the perfect place
• 22:55
  Speaker 8: to put it, you know, where do you put the
• 22:56
  Speaker 8: tunnel on the bone. There's so many different variables that
• 22:58
  Speaker 8: go into it, and I think when once we've kind
• 23:01
  Speaker 8: of researched it and gone back and been critical of
• 23:03
  Speaker 8: our own work, we've been able to get to a
• 23:05
  Speaker 8: pretty good point, but it's still a hard surgery.
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: Now, Doctor Arthurage, obviously we we you know, we can't
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: talk LSU injuries and that's the team that you work
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: with there, and we're not going to get into any injury.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: I'll just ask you one question I think you can answer.
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: Have you ever had to explain what tendonitis was to
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: more people over a short period of time?
• 23:25
  Speaker 8: Yeah, that's that's for some strangeries and have been an interesting
• 23:27
  Speaker 8: topic lately.
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, tendonitis.
• 23:31
  Speaker 8: And it's funny because you know my clinic, I tell
• 23:33
  Speaker 8: patients tendonitis is one of the you know.
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: Quote unquote weird problems, you know.
• 23:36
  Speaker 8: Because you doesn't again kind of a turf tow It
• 23:38
  Speaker 8: doesn't sound that bad. It sounds like this kind of
• 23:40
  Speaker 8: mild little thing. But tendonitis, just like the turf toe injury,
• 23:43
  Speaker 8: there's a lot of different severity. It's it's a hard
• 23:46
  Speaker 8: injury sometimes to treat because the tendons don't have a
• 23:48
  Speaker 8: good blood supply. You know, I tell patient all the time,
• 23:50
  Speaker 8: if you ever look at a piece of steak, you
• 23:51
  Speaker 8: have this red piece of meat, but a portion of
• 23:53
  Speaker 8: it starts to turn white. Well that's the tendon because
• 23:55
  Speaker 8: of poor blood supplies. So that lack of blood supply
• 23:57
  Speaker 8: can make these injuries hard to heal. So so yeah,
• 24:00
  Speaker 8: it's a it's a weird problem that that that has
• 24:02
  Speaker 8: a lot of variability. And and yeah, we've definitely been
• 24:04
  Speaker 8: been talking about a tendingapathy lately.
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I know we're not talking about anybody specific,
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: but y'all did a really good job of replacing Nuss's
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: leg when it fell offs ago. Yeah, a good job.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: That surgery is quick, he was on the field, so
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: good job.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and proud to be a part.
• 24:17
  Speaker 8: Of that year for sure.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: Really good job, good stitching. Uh No, So I've just
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: been curious over the last couple of years. I felt
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: like I went the first let's just say thirty five
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: years of my life maybe saw one athlete tearing achilles tendon. U.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: It seems like there's ten a year now, Like what
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: is what? Why is there? Is it just something that
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: wasn't diagnosed in the past. It's better diagnosis of it
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: was it called something different back in the day. But
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: why is there so many achilles injuries right now in sports?
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: You know, it's interesting.
• 24:50
  Speaker 8: There does seem to be more you know, I don't
• 24:52
  Speaker 8: know for sure if there is or if it's just
• 24:53
  Speaker 8: something we're more aware of. That's always one of the questions,
• 24:55
  Speaker 8: and there is a lot of speculation.
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 24:58
  Speaker 8: Part of it is surface. You know, we always talk
• 25:00
  Speaker 8: about grass versus turf. Could that play into it? You know,
• 25:03
  Speaker 8: I'm not saying it does or doesn't, but it's something
• 25:05
  Speaker 8: that comes up a lot in our discussions. And then
• 25:07
  Speaker 8: and then I think part of it too. You have
• 25:09
  Speaker 8: you have guys that are bigger and faster and stronger.
• 25:11
  Speaker 8: I mean, I swear every year I see these guys
• 25:13
  Speaker 8: coming in and maybe it's just because I'm getting older
• 25:15
  Speaker 8: and smaller, but they look bigger and faster and stronger
• 25:18
  Speaker 8: every year. And and the thing is, you know, it's
• 25:20
  Speaker 8: all about physics. You put so much load on any structure,
• 25:23
  Speaker 8: eventually you're going to reach that peak. So if we're
• 25:25
  Speaker 8: talking about bigger and faster and more explosion, uh, you know,
• 25:28
  Speaker 8: sports have become more year round. If we look at
• 25:30
  Speaker 8: sports right now, they're training more and more. And while
• 25:32
  Speaker 8: that might make them bigger, faster, stronger, it's more wear
• 25:35
  Speaker 8: and tear as well.
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: So I think it's probably all those things.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: I don't know if Kirk Cousins fits that mold though, yeah,
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: or Aaron Rodgers for that matter. Well was turf though,
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: So it was turf. It's interesting. It's wilds I mean,
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: have to we talked the Achilles. It's just it's so
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: crazy how they do to such a prevalent injury right
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: now everywhere. And I don't understand.
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: I don't.
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: I don't ever remember hearing it when we were playing.
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: Teammates.
• 26:04
  Speaker 8: I don't remember a lot, you know. And again it's
• 26:06
  Speaker 8: it's it's maybe again. Maybe that's just the memory thing
• 26:09
  Speaker 8: not working as well. But uh, I'm with you on that.
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: All right, Doc, before we let you go. If you
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: don't know, Doc played football at Florida State. Florida State
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: didn't have a great year last year. They had two victories,
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: one against an FBS team opening up with Alabama. I mean, what, hey,
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: what a great way to get back on track. It
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: would be a great way. You know.
• 26:29
  Speaker 8: I want to say I have confidence in my seminoles,
• 26:32
  Speaker 8: but in that one, you know, I'm just hoping for
• 26:34
  Speaker 8: a close, close game and hoping they do well.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: And it was. It was a rough year.
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: It is a dope and they did. They upgraded dok
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: and they've got new facilities. Found No, Jimbo was was
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: screaming for That's really the reason he left and went
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: to Texas A and M.
• 26:44
  Speaker 8: Yeah, the facilities needed an upgrade, and I'm glad to
• 26:46
  Speaker 8: see they're doing it.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: I'll tell you it's it's a beautiful stadium.
• 26:48
  Speaker 8: If y'all never been, it's, in my opinion, I'm very biased,
• 26:50
  Speaker 8: one of the prettiest stadiums.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: But uh, but yeah, I hope they have a good year.
• 26:53
  Speaker 8: Last year was rough, you know, a tailor two different
• 26:55
  Speaker 8: years the past couple but hopefully this will be closer
• 26:57
  Speaker 8: to two years ago.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: College football's better in Florida State is at least sure, right, for.
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: Sure, Auburn tried to take away y'alls nineteen ninety three
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: national championship yesterday though, all right, good year by them. Yeah,
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: flor stay one at that year. But it sounds like
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: maybe Auburn thinks they did as well. Doctor Dwreds, We
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: appreciate it, man, It's always a pleasure.
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: My pleasure, thanks, doc. All Right, Well, they rate.
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  Speaker 4: As Daniel Bassom says he on the body for chat.
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: Finally some bush tush. Finally, I'm just case that Bush push.
• 29:31
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, be messed what we're talking about.
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  Speaker 4: We're talking about the Reggie Bush Bush push push push.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Then turned into because we're child.
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  Speaker 2: Because we're children with immature brains. You're welcome.
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  Speaker 4: Is what it is, is what it is.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: But we did bring some intelligence to this studio. It's
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: gone now God high intelligence. Shit, Thank doctor Ethartes. We
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: appreciate where you are going to try, depending on schedules
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: prevailing for him to make that a more common segment,
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: maybe a weekly segment, because we just find it fascinating
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: to we all hear the injuries, we talk about them.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: We hear players all over the NFL with you know
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: there's something new that pops up every single year with
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: something happening. So we're gonna be able to get an
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: inside look from a doctor's perspective on an orthopedic and
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: somebody that works with athletes on just taking a deep
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: dive and educating us all on the specifics of that
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: and the specifics for the treatment, the surgeries and what
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: they're actually doing. So it's really cool, really cool stuff
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: that he is he's willing to do that.
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: I like, I have heard turf toe, Like I've talked
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: about turf toe for a long time.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: That is the first time I actually know what turfoe is.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought it was kind of just like a hangnail.
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: I thought it was more like a big toe't sprain,
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah you know what I mean, till hurts, till hurts, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: you get ingro Ton there, But something on the turf No,
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: So I've got a different perspective on that. And uh,
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: hopefully we're gonna have doctor Ethrids join us on Wednesdays
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: and so any injury throughout the NFL any with obviously
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: the New Orleans Saints. Now again he knows LSU team doctor,
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: so we're not going to dive into LSU, but you know,
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: just injuries in general, like if you see them pop up,
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: we can talk through them, talk rehab process.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: Doctor Athridge was such a great asset for us. If
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: you remember when everybody was having tightrope surgery, remember two
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: talking about Loa had that in twenty nineteen. It was like,
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: wait a minute, what is this?
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: And so like every year it's something new, like there's
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: some sort of injury or surgical technique that is the
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: hot technique, the tightrope man.
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: I forgot about that one job because it was like
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: nobody was like, we hadn't talked about it. Yeah, it
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: was something it was like high ankle's brain right, It
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: wasn't like a severe thing, but they did a pretty
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: severe surgery for a get fairly common injury. Yeah, that's
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: something's gonna keep you out, you know, maybe a couple
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: of months, maybe a month, maybe six weeks maybe yeah,
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: maybe four to six weeks and it got you back
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: in two to three Yeah. Yeah, So I.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: Mean, is a juice worth a squeeze? I guess at
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: that point would be the question.
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: But you know, if it's your quarterback and you've got
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: national championship aspirations.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: I guess, yeah, I guess it is.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: M two I got. I will do anything like old.
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: Old Bud Kilmer.
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: You know he will.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: He will do anything to throw a couple of passes
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: on Sunday. God bless him.
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: Toughness to a fault, which I appreciate.
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: I love it.
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: I love the fact.
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: But no, man, Coach Kilmer's got that needle.
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: Keet that thing away from my knee before God.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: That needle comes anywhere, nigger his knee, rip your arms
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: off and bait you over the handle them.
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: Why in the hell did you sound just like James Vanderbeek.
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: Aren't they have you seen this movie?
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: Because I don't want your life? Oh that that was
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: actually scary. Oh that was actually Billy Bob who said that,
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: right p I.
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: Know, but you sounded just like James Vanderbeek.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: It's called the Oop, do you? Is it?
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: Mississippi Valley.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: The Valley scores forty points a game with the offense.
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they do the Valley that they do. I wonder
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: if the Saints can get back either one of those
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: tight ends during the season. And when that's gonna be
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: I mean a cl It's not twelve months anymore, but
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: also like can you come back in nine? I don't
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: really know that information. It's a it's a position where
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: they needed some help.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: Doctor said, it's tough, Like yeah, and I think it's
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: probably person my person, dude, and I I'd like to
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: get in like next time he's on about you know,
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: the what they're doing for recovery too, So like the
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: grafting and the techniques are a lot better. Certainly gets
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: you there a lot faster and it's not a career
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: ending injury situation anymore. But like the techniques because there's
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: stem cells technology, like there used to be PRP but
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: now it's more stem cells, Like how is that all?
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: And it depends on how your body accepts them, and
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: like it's just individualized so much. And and then the
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: physical therapy it's like how you know, how accomplished are
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: your pets and how quickly can they their program? But
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: it's it's you know, one guy, they might both be
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: in great shape, they might be doing the same things,
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: but one guy's body just responds to those stem cells
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: or p RP or whatever. It is a little bit
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: more like what you know, I don't even talking medical stuff,
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: but you get it.
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: Doing a great job.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: You get it. I have stems, thank you, white blood cells.
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: What he's talking about, and I do, Yeah.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: I just people don't think I do, so they're going
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: to discredit it. I had stem cells multiple times. They
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: actually stem cells gave me ten and nightis right here
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: my elbow. He talked about how the tendons don't get
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: a lot of blood flow, right, because I learned a
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: lot about that. Yeah, it gave me probably two to
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: three years extra stem cells and driving inland.
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: I when I first when we first started doing this here,
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: I guess twenty eighteen. I think it was the first
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: year we started doing hanging with us for that sur
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: Night sounds right. I don't know if you remember, but yeah,
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: we had we had a stem cell sponsor for a
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: little bit, and they did it on my knee like
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: full on, like took it from my love handles, did
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: the hole, spinning it up, put it in my knee,
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: And there was a like a big portion of my
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: life where I couldn't drive past like thirty minutes if
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: I s cruise control, cool, but I couldn't have my
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: foot on the pedal like on a road trip. Like
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: my knee had a Baker sist it would swell up
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: where it would just it would go to sleep and
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: you'd have to like hit it and I try to
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: move it around, get some blood flowing. And man, I
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: had that procedure. No more trouble, it's no swelling. They
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: took it themselves. They got they extracted that from fat. Yeah, well,
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: I love handles. I mean I think it's you know,
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: well there's.
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: Different ways batteries and lose love handles at the same time.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: Well, no, you don't lose them. Yeah, it's not like.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah that much.
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, sounds perfect. Yeah, they get it.
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: And I mean, dude, I was in the office for
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: a morning. I mean I was there for like four hours.
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: And when I say, like I couldn't do anything without
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: my knee just like swelling and getting to a point
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: where it's like it felt like it was gonna pop.
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: And so you know, it is like its just like
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: you can't bend it.
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: It's so I'm a full believer in getting no for sure,
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: that does.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: I got my tenant I in training camp in Seattle,
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: and it was like debilitating path like I took a
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: you know, liver killing amount of anti inflammatories like to
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: practice and to be able to play right. So like
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: at the end of the year, I go to a
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: medical facility, a famous medical facility. I get like I do.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: I do the PT there, we do p r P,
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: and I don't throw for two months. I pick a
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: ball up and at that time, I like just getting
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: traded to Oakland. At the time I pick a ball up,
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: I throw it. It hurt the exact same amount. So
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: I leave. I come back to bat Ruge. I start
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: getting dry needling. I get introduced to stem cells, and
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: I got stem cells for the first time, like in
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: August in I'm middle of the training camp in Oakland,
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: and and it doesn't work at first, Like they have
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: to like they have to take over, they have to
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: be accepted, and they have to start doing making doing
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: their doing their magic. And so this stem cell came
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: from the crown of my hip. So they extracted bone
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: mara out of the hip, spune around, got the stem cells,
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: and they mix it with your your your red blood cells,
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: your PRP. They put it back like right on the spot.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: It was. It was a wild procedure too, because like
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: I hear the they're drilling into my hip, I'm you know,
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: I'm the lake for all this like you're seeing like
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: the they're doing it by ultrasound too, so they can
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: see where the needle's going in. I see like my
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: older nerve and I'm like, it's like so close to it.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: I'm like, please don't hit up, Please don't hit up.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: That would be awful.
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd be real bad if you didn't have any
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: feeling in your fingertails.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: So they're like, Okay, this is gonna take you know,
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: eight to eight to twelve months to ever like to feel,
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: or eight to twelve weeks or something like that to
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: start feeling effect. Maybe six to ten something like that. Well,
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: I didn't feel any relief. But two months later I'd
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: been released from Oakland Yea, gone to Buffalo and I
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: got back to Green Bay that time period, my two
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: weeks in Buffalo is started feeling better then I got
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: to when I got to Green Bay, hardly any pain
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: at all. Yeah, all pretty much gone, and then there's
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: a little bit there lingering. Went back and got another
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: round of it in the off season. I've never felt again.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: Wow it. I would not if I didn't find that,
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: Like if I would have said, all right, the PRP
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: doesn't work. My treatment doesn't work. I'm at like this
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: big institution famous for being able to heal people and
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: treat people. It didn't do anything. Yeah, like what do
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: I do? I can't keep taking these anti flams like
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: I am.
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not healthy yeaing them like their tic TACs.
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: So they did, and then I played two or three
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: three more years. So were we year was up twenty
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: twelves when I got the ten and nightis originally no
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: it's still like played it was, but it like I
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: went to Oakland, huge effect on me, well because I just.
• 39:17
  Speaker 6: Remember when Peyton was having the stem cell therapy on
• 39:21
  Speaker 6: his neck.
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: You had to go overseas that aint that was the
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: same time period.
• 39:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah, so it said Peyton had it in eleven so
• 39:27
  Speaker 6: like but I remember they said it wasn't like super
• 39:31
  Speaker 6: readily available.
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: I mean the libraries that I was doing for this company,
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: like it was in the library, like you used to
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: have to go to like Germany for this, and then
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: you could do it in ban Aruge in twenty eighteen.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: So when I would when I got them, I flew
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: to Denver to get mine because there was in Colorado
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: you could do it from bone marrow, which is the
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: most effective one, at least at the time it was
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: or known to be. And what I heard, I don't
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: know if this is true. Never never asked questions, but
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: it was like this is These people are one of
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: the reasons why Peyton also kind of went to like
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: he had these that kind of treatment available to.
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: Him for his real quick before we take a break,
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: I think we have a new tagline for this show,
• 40:12
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• 40:19
  Speaker 4: are made up of stem cells CTE and toward all.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: I like that. I like that, and it was indocent
• 40:27
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• 40:28
  Speaker 3: It was toward off for me. So you're on the
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: right track.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, where's our box? Oh uh, what'd you do with that?
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: Why'd you think Dr Radwis was gonna steal it? Some
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: pretty big cards in there. We got our the cards
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: that we've been talking about for a long time, some
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: of the month ago, the old big boys.
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  Speaker 2: It's about a month ago. We sent off five cards.
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  Speaker 2: It was our biggest cards that we had raw and
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  Speaker 2: a month. It's right here, big deal. We'll got that
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• 43:21
  Speaker 2: are going to actually open them. We're gonna do it
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: on the show. We're gonna give a little teas. We're
• 43:27
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  Speaker 2: M So we're gonna see what we got graded right here,
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  Speaker 2: big boys.
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: We got two minutes. Can you do it in two minutes?
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: The people need to know. We need to spend lots
• 43:38
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• 43:44
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• 43:51
  Speaker 4: I've got to know like what the carrier like when
• 43:53
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• 43:58
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• 44:07
  Speaker 2: Not on a birth certificate. Yours truly gave it to
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: yours truly. Yeah.
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: The card grading stuff is it's fascinating to me just
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: with how much more value it can bring your card
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: or you know, honestly, if you get a bad grade,
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: like you can kind of keep it the same even
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: though you went through this entire process and sometimes like
• 44:25
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• 44:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's a very interesting market because it is
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: not it's kind of like judging like a gymnastics me.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: It's kind of like there's parameters you stay within, there's
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: things you look for, but at the end of the day,
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: it's kind of kind of somebody's opinion and there's a
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: big swing in value based on that final opinion. Right. Again,
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: there's parameters they work and know they're centering. There's edges
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: and corners. They're like things that are obvious but to
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: the naked eye, to these eyes, they should all be tense.
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: They should all be billy about.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: Oh, we wouldn't be sending them in if we didn't
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: think they were beautiful and perfect.
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it is wild the amount, like certainly of bigger cards.
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: The bigger you get, the more it matters, like the
• 45:11
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• 45:14
  Speaker 4: the value of that card, even though it's just.
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: One number away.
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: It might be one little centering issues. Maybe it's just
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: like this one little small thing and what it does
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: to the value.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: So we're all gonna find out if we hit the
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: big boy value. Oh, we just wasted our time and money,
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: which a lot of the card game.
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: Is, and emotions and emotions and our emotions.
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: We've got, would you rather Wednesday when we come back,
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: We've still got a deer Olandra, So go ahead and
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