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Steve Price | 30 January · Steve Price

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Speaker 1: Live.
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Speaker 2: This is Steve Price.
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Speaker 3: Good evening and welcome to the program. I'm Jamie Rodgers
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Speaker 3: in the chair for Steve Price. Here's what's coming up
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Speaker 3: on tonight's show, Big News.
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Speaker 4: Just in the last couple of hours with.
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Speaker 3: Andrew Hasty bowing out of the run for the Liberal leadership,
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Speaker 3: so what does it mean for Susan Lee's future. We'll
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Speaker 3: speak to former Liberal Premier Campbell Newman.
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Speaker 5: Later in the show.
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Speaker 3: In Victoria, Labour's one point seven billion dollar upgrade plan.
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Speaker 5: To their Tap and Go Mikey system will.
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Speaker 3: Frustrated Victorian public transport users finally be able to use
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Speaker 3: their bank cards and phones on the app. Prime Minister
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Speaker 3: Serki Starmer has made an historic trip to China.
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Speaker 4: What does that mean for global power?
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Speaker 5: Plus?
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Speaker 3: The Federal government has struck a deal with the States
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Speaker 3: on hospital funding.
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Speaker 5: The PM says it's a better.
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Speaker 4: Health deal for all Australians.
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Speaker 3: But first, Andrew Hasty has confirmed this afternoon that he
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Speaker 3: won't be contesting the Liberal leadership as he doesn't have
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Speaker 3: the numbers. In a statement, the memberfore Canning says, over
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Speaker 3: the past few weeks there has been speculation about the
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Speaker 3: future leadership of the Liberal Party of Australia.
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Speaker 5: I've previously stated that I.
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Speaker 3: Would welcome the opportunity to serve my party and our
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Speaker 3: country as leader of the Liberal Party, but having consulted
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Speaker 3: with colleagues over the past week and respecting their honest
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Speaker 3: feedback to me, it's clear that I do not have
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Speaker 3: the support needed to become leader of the Liberal Party.
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Speaker 3: On this basis, I wish to make it clear I
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Speaker 3: will not be contesting the leadership of the Liberal Party.
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Speaker 3: Australia faces massive issues. I have made it my single
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Speaker 3: focus the campaign on critical issues, including immigration and energy,
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Speaker 3: and I have no intention of stopping that right now.
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Speaker 5: Now we have a prime minister who is.
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Speaker 3: Leading us into a national decline where both our security
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Speaker 3: and economic prosperity have been compromised. That compromise and failure
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Speaker 3: of our prime minister is having a real impact on
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Speaker 3: families right across Australia.
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Speaker 5: I believe that those.
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Speaker 3: Families and our country are best served by a strong
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Speaker 3: coalition government and I will work every day to make
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Speaker 3: my party the very best version of itself and hasty
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Speaker 3: isn't wrong. Recently, the headlines have been dominated by one
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Speaker 3: thing on the conservative side of politics, liberal leadership tension, speculation,
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Speaker 3: internal maneuvering, names being floated, numbers being counted, and factions
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Speaker 3: watching one another more closely than they're watching the government.
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Speaker 3: And while leadership speculation is hardly new in Canberra, what
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Speaker 3: is new is the context. The coalition is fractured. The
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Speaker 3: Nationals are no longer formally part of the arrangement.
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Speaker 4: Holding is soft. Voters are restless.
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Speaker 3: And into that vacuum, minor parties and protests movements are
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Speaker 3: growing louder. When an opposition is distracted by itself, it
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Speaker 3: can't do the job voters expected to do, and that
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Speaker 3: is to hold the government to account. Liberal senator Jane
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Speaker 3: Hume stressed about the importance of a unified party.
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Speaker 6: It's important thing here is that there is no challenge
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Speaker 6: to Susan Lay's leadership. No one has put their hand
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Speaker 6: up and said I am going to challenge.
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Speaker 5: The Liberal Opposition is at its very.
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Speaker 6: Best when we are unified, when we're focused on the
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Speaker 6: job at hand, which is holding a bad labor government
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Speaker 6: to account.
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Speaker 5: And humor is right.
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Speaker 3: Without unity, you simply cannot function as an effective opposition.
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Speaker 5: The Liberal Party needs to show.
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Speaker 3: And convince Australians that it is a government in waiting,
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Speaker 3: not a party is still arguing with itself about what
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Speaker 3: it stands for. The breakup with the Nationals has already
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Speaker 3: inflicted real reputational damage when your coalition partner.
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Speaker 5: Walks away voters.
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Speaker 3: Notice, Senator Hume addressed that head on this morning.
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Speaker 6: Presenting a credible alternative to make sure that at the
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Speaker 6: next election Australians can see that the Liberal Party is
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Speaker 6: the choice that represents their dreams, their hopes and their aspirations.
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Speaker 6: We are not doing that right now, quite clearly, starting
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Speaker 6: with a dummy spit from our coalition partners or her
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Speaker 6: former coalition partners in the Nationals, and right now we
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Speaker 6: need to be focusing on the job at hand.
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Speaker 3: Well, opposition is about offering an alternative. It's about pressure
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Speaker 3: testing government policy, and it's about asking hard questions on
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Speaker 3: things like cost of living, national security, health, energy and
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Speaker 3: the economy. Right now, the Albanizi government isn't under any
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Speaker 3: form of pressure and that should concern everyone, regardless of
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Speaker 3: where you sit politically. A Cabinet Minister Joel Fitzgibbon reiterated
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Speaker 3: this point earlier today when speaking about the state of
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Speaker 3: the economy.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, well again, it's a good time not to have
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Speaker 7: an opposition, because the challenges for the government on the
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Speaker 7: economic front are enormous. People in my hometown aren't talking
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Speaker 7: about what Donald Trump's doing or what's happening on the
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Speaker 7: post Bondo front. They're still talking about cost of living.
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Speaker 3: When voters don't see a clear, credible alternative, they don't
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Speaker 3: stay loyal. They drift and support is rising for One
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Speaker 3: Nation and Pauline Hansen in recent polling, a sign of
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Speaker 3: growing frustration on the right.
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Speaker 5: Just as importantly, there's.
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Speaker 3: Another group emerging, voters who are disillusioned with the Liberals
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Speaker 3: but unwilling to move to One Nation, people who don't
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Speaker 3: feel represented and increasingly feel politically homeless.
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Speaker 4: That's the cost of a fractured opposition. So the question
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Speaker 4: for the Liberals isn't just who.
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Speaker 3: Leads, because let's be clear, replacing the leader alone won't
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Speaker 3: solve this. The Liberals need to remind themselves of their
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Speaker 3: core values free enterprise, smaller government, individual freedom and responsibility,
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Speaker 3: family and community and economic management. Without these values, there
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Speaker 3: can be no policies. Without policies and a shared direction,
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Speaker 3: then all you've done is rearrange the furniture. Australians don't
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Speaker 3: vote for chaos with a new face. There's a telling
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Speaker 3: moment from Australian political history worth remembering here. When Sir
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Speaker 3: Robert Menzi's left office in nineteen sixty six, he reflected
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Speaker 3: not on power, but on structure. He said his greatest
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Speaker 3: achievement wasn't an election win or a policy, it was
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Speaker 3: building the Liberal Party and its enduring partnership with the
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Speaker 3: Country Party. That perspective matters because it reminds us that
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Speaker 3: leadership is temporary, but institutions, unity and trust are what
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Speaker 3: we endure. And if the Liberal Party wants to rebuild
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Speaker 3: that trust, it has to stop looking inward and start
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Speaker 3: looking outward, because a democracy without a strong opposition is
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Speaker 3: like a sporting match without a referee. Rules blur, standard slip,
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Speaker 3: and eventually people stop believing the contest is fair. Today,
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Speaker 3: Liberal Leader Susan Lee announced her acting shadow cabinet and
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Speaker 3: sent a very clear message to the Nationals. She's given
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Speaker 3: Leader David liddel Proud one week to bring the coalition
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Speaker 3: back together, or she'll permanently fill those vacant shadow rolls
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Speaker 3: with an all Liberal front bench.
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Speaker 5: At the end of the day, this isn't complicated.
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Speaker 3: A divided opposition doesn't scare a government, it doesn't sharpen
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Speaker 3: policy and it certainly doesn't earn votes. Unity matters because
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Speaker 3: accountability matters.
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Speaker 5: And if the Liberals can't get.
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Speaker 3: Their own house and all, then they're not holding the
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Speaker 3: government to account, they're giving it.
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Speaker 5: A free pass.
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Speaker 3: A strong opposition doesn't exist for politicians, it exists for you.
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Speaker 3: Before we get to the delays and cost blowouts of
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Speaker 3: Melbourne's my Key system. Big news this afternoon that Andrew
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Speaker 3: Hasty won't contest the Liberal leadership as he doesn't have
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Speaker 3: the numbers. So let's bring in now former Shadow Transport
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Speaker 3: Minister and Liberal MP Richard Riden and Richard welcome. What
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Speaker 3: did you make of Hasty's decision today?
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Speaker 8: Well, I thought in light of your very good editorial
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Speaker 8: just now, Jamie, and it puts in stark contrast the
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Speaker 8: need that all Australians here in Victoria we have it,
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Speaker 8: but Australia wide we want solid, unified leadership. It's important
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Speaker 8: the Victorian and Federal Parliament go back next week and
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Speaker 8: people want to see the opposition doing what it needs
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Speaker 8: to do, holding the cup to account and most importantly
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Speaker 8: highlighting the Victorians that there is a future. There is
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Speaker 8: a better way forward with a strong opposition, with good
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Speaker 8: policies and focused on making lives better for Australians and
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Speaker 8: not about internal bites.
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Speaker 3: So Richard, what can you see happening now? Do you
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Speaker 3: think Angus Taylor will end up contesting the leadership or
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Speaker 3: do you think Susan Lee's position is safe at least
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Speaker 3: now for the mintrum.
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Speaker 8: Oh look, the federal sphere is another beast again compared
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Speaker 8: to those issues that we have to deal at the
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Speaker 8: state level. But I just say that at the end
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Speaker 8: of the day, the coalition, the opposition to the Labor Party,
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Speaker 8: the parties that believe in free enterprise, the individual opportunity,
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Speaker 8: reward for effort, that side of politics is at its
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Speaker 8: best when it works together because it looks after regional
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Speaker 8: and country Australia and it looks after the city as well.
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Speaker 8: And that's the high years of the Howard era. That's
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Speaker 8: when we looked out best. And you know, I think
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Speaker 8: for everyone's sake, a strong and cohesive coalition that brings
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Speaker 8: together the best that Australia has to offer is the
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Speaker 8: best way forward.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, you're absolutely spot on there.
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Speaker 3: I want to head now down to Victoria and the
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Speaker 3: delays facing Melbourne's tap and go Mikey travel system. It
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Speaker 3: seems as though this has been something that's say, years
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Speaker 3: and years and years in the waiting, but Victorians are
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Speaker 3: expected to finally be able to use their bank cards
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Speaker 3: and phones to be able to tap on public transport
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Speaker 3: and this is all part of Labour's one point seven
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Speaker 3: billion dollar upbraide of the system. Melbourne has been a
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Speaker 3: backwater when it comes to this technology, Richard, with the
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Speaker 3: tap and go option long been implemented in other Australian
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Speaker 3: cities and overseas in London and across Europe.
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Speaker 5: Just explain to our viewers this mess.
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Speaker 3: And why didn't the government just go with a system
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Speaker 3: like Opal in Sydney or London or use similar technology
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Speaker 3: to what's in single.
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Speaker 9: Well, look, thank Jamie, great question. It's a simple answer.
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Speaker 8: The Victorian government, as your viewers will well know, it
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Speaker 8: doesn't listen very well.
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Speaker 9: It loves to reinvent the wheel and.
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Speaker 8: It particularly has taken not only Commonwealth game records but
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Speaker 8: Olympic records when it comes to cost blowouts.
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Speaker 9: You have been very.
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Speaker 8: Gracious tonight, calling it only a one point seven billion
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Speaker 8: dollar project. Can I just remind your listeners. The next
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Speaker 8: closest tender was seven hundred and forty million. The tender
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Speaker 8: this government adopted was one point seven. But the bit
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Speaker 8: your left out and this government keeps leaving out, is
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Speaker 8: that all the hardware, all the technology, all the scanners
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Speaker 8: on every tram and train and bus and train station
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Speaker 8: right across Victoria is all out of date. It has
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Speaker 8: to be replaced too. That's another five to six hundred
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Speaker 8: million dollars. So we had a off the shelf product,
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Speaker 8: a product that people in Singapore use, people in other cities.
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Speaker 9: Around in the US and Europe US.
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Speaker 8: But no, the Victorian government went for someone who has
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Speaker 8: never provided tap and go technology anywhere in the world anywhere.
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Speaker 9: And what they're dishing up to Victorians.
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Speaker 8: Comes from a one bus trial in Wangarata for two
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Speaker 8: months last year where they literally duct taped an FPOs
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Speaker 8: machine to a poll on a bus and you could
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Speaker 8: tap your credit card on it. Now, to make a
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Speaker 8: proper system work in Victoria, there's about one hundred and
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Speaker 8: twenty different combinations pension as students, public holidays, free days,
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Speaker 8: you know, all these different combinations and permutations of affair
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Speaker 8: on a bus onto a tram and so on. This
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Speaker 8: technology can't deliver that. So we're going to have a
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Speaker 8: situation where if you're in the outer suburbs of Melbourne,
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Speaker 8: you might need a my key to get on the
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Speaker 8: bus in your suburb to get to the train station.
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Speaker 8: Then you could have your credit card to get on
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Speaker 8: the train into the city. Then you might have to
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Speaker 8: go back to a credit card or a my key
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Speaker 8: to get onto the train, and you'll be all over
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Speaker 8: the place, and then Heaven help you, if you're a
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Speaker 8: pensioner or someone owing to a discount, you'll probably have
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Speaker 8: to set up an account and have a completely different card. Again,
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Speaker 8: we are miles from a world class ticketing system in Victoria.
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Speaker 3: It just sounds so chaotic and an absolute mess in
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Speaker 3: all different aspects. And you're just mentioning how the one
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Speaker 3: point seven billion doesn't cover everything.
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Speaker 5: What do you foresee to be the full cost here?
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Speaker 3: Because everything that you've listed is certainly not cheap by
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Speaker 3: any stretch.
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Speaker 9: No, not cheap at all.
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Speaker 8: And of course Melbourne ironically has the infrastructure for a
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Speaker 8: fantastic public transport system. Melbourne in particular, Now, keeping in
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Speaker 8: mind my constituents out in regional Victoria, I still get
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Speaker 8: on a train with a paper ticket out here in
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Speaker 8: the sticks and that's not getting any better anytime soon either.
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Speaker 9: So if you use my example.
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Speaker 8: I'm going to get a paper ticket out here in Colak,
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Speaker 8: travel to the city. Then maybe have a credit card,
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Speaker 8: but maybe not and so on. So Look, this government
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Speaker 8: typically runs forty to fifty percent over budget on most
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Speaker 8: of its projects. We've already seen they've left the bid
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Speaker 8: out that you've got to have scanners and readers for
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Speaker 8: the system to work. But on top of that, they're
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Speaker 8: just not holding the contract holder to account for what
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Speaker 8: they've done. And we're currently as opposition in court fighting
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Speaker 8: to get the documents released.
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Speaker 9: Now the.
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Speaker 8: Independent Overseer of FOIS has said yes, release these documents,
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Speaker 8: and the government's currently spending another three to four million
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Speaker 8: dollars plus on expensive lawyers and barristers are trying to
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Speaker 8: prevent the opposition and the people of Victoria finding out
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Speaker 8: more about this contracts.
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Speaker 3: The secrecy that I always find just really difficult. It's
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Speaker 3: a tough pill to swallow. But news also this week
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Speaker 3: Richard Labor is propping up struggling Victorian public entities from
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Speaker 3: going into administration. Let's take a quick look here at
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Speaker 3: Opposition leader Jess Wilson.
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Speaker 5: This is Melbourne Museum.
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Speaker 10: It's received nearly twenty million dollars in an emergency government bailout.
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Speaker 10: If it didn't have that, it would have a foreclosure
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Speaker 10: sign on it.
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Speaker 5: But it's not just Melbourne Museum.
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Speaker 10: It's tourism, it's the arts, it's water corporations, it's public transport.
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Speaker 10: These are all call government services and they shouldn't need
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Speaker 10: emergency government bailouts just to keep the doors open.
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Speaker 3: I mean, Richard, if Victoria's finances are as strong and
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Speaker 3: robust as Labor often claim, why do you call public
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Speaker 3: services now need bailout guarantees?
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Speaker 8: Well, Jamie, the simple answer is is way back when
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Speaker 8: the Kennet government left power and labor pretty much has
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Speaker 8: been in control of Victoria since nineteen ninety nine, all
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Speaker 8: those public entities were debt free. They were debt free.
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Speaker 8: They are now riddled with death. So not only are
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Speaker 8: you seeing the bailouts, but most of our water authorities
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Speaker 8: and a whole raft of being institutions are laden with debt.
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Speaker 8: They're not able necessarily to manage, and so many of
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Speaker 8: them are now having to have these what they call
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Speaker 8: letters of comfort Now, Jess pointed out the museum with
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Speaker 8: the foreclosure sign. Well, if anyone's been down along our
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Speaker 8: tourism areas, the Victorian governor now has taken over many,
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Speaker 8: many tourist assets from lighthouses, caves, caravan parks, you name it,
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Speaker 8: they've taken them over. And most of those aren't running
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Speaker 8: out of profit, they're running it losses. And this last year,
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Speaker 8: the one that governs my part of the world along
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Speaker 8: the Gradation Road needed a six million dollar cover note
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Speaker 8: in order to pay its bills for the year. And
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Speaker 8: there seems to be no end in this hidden debt.
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Speaker 8: There's the published debt, the hidden debt, and then of
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Speaker 8: course we saw with the CFA in recent months where
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Speaker 8: the government just sat on the reports keeping it hidden
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Speaker 8: from the public.
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Speaker 3: Richard, I also just want to quickly touch on something
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Speaker 3: that happened within your electure. That's's just outside of Geelong,
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Speaker 3: but there was a significant police incident there just yesterday
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Speaker 3: where two people who allegedly stole a car and led
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Speaker 3: police on a chase across the city, smashing into a
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Speaker 3: school bus, leaving school kids caring behind their seats as
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Speaker 3: shot rang out.
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Speaker 4: Let's take a quick look.
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Speaker 3: It just seems Richard, every day we seem to hear
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Speaker 3: of another major incident across Victoria. What would a Victorian
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Speaker 3: coalition government do about all of this crime?
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Speaker 8: Well, look, the very first thing and incoming government will
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Speaker 8: have to do is to find the replacement for the
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Speaker 8: nearly two thousand police actively, actual active police on the
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Speaker 8: beat that we need to keep Victorian safe. And now
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Speaker 8: I was caught up in that fraca yesterday, stuck in
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Speaker 8: the traffic in Geelong.
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Speaker 9: You know that's where it hurts.
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Speaker 8: Whether it's the actual victims of crime, the kids on
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Speaker 8: the bus, the people that go to our now.
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Speaker 9: Closed police stations.
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Speaker 8: My electric nine and a half thousand square kilometers and
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Speaker 8: I've only got business our police stations, like, no twenty
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Speaker 8: four hour full time police stations that people can go to.
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Speaker 9: This is happening right across Victoria and it won't be fixed.
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Speaker 8: Until a government prioritizes the safety of its people above
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Speaker 8: its grandiose projects and overblown budgets. And we just touched
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Speaker 8: on the Mikey ticketing system, classic example, billions more being
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Speaker 8: spent than what needs to be and those billions are
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Speaker 8: coming from essential services like health and police.
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Speaker 3: Well, Richard, it's certainly a big year ahead in Victoria
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Speaker 3: with the election. Hopeful there's some change coming your way.
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Speaker 3: I really appreciate your time tonight, Thank you so much.
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Speaker 3: Well to the news now that an Australian billionaire investor
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Speaker 3: has warned that artificial intelligence will rapidly wipe out large
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Speaker 3: parts of the white collar workforce, pushing unemployment into double
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Speaker 3: digits by twenty thirty and triggering a deep structural economic
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Speaker 3: shock that governments and markets are ignoring. Hamish Douglas was
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Speaker 3: the former boss of Magellan Financial and rose to prominence
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Speaker 3: is one of the country's most influential global fund managers.
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Speaker 3: He says advocates have been quick to promote the novelties
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Speaker 3: of the technology, but are wilfully ignoring the devastation to
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Speaker 3: come here to talk to us all through about what
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Speaker 3: we've just spoken about. Tech expert Trevor Long and Trevor,
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Speaker 3: welcome to the program. Reading that article, it sounds quite
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Speaker 3: frightening of what Douglas was saying.
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Speaker 5: How real is this threat?
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Speaker 11: Yeah, good evening, Jamie. Look, I think there's a reality
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Speaker 11: to the threat. There's no doubt about that. AI is
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Speaker 11: an absolute game changer in every aspect of life almost
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Speaker 11: and I think we gonn need to look at it
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Speaker 11: a bit of a spectrum though, you know, there's the
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Speaker 11: I would call his prediction essentially doomsdays, talking about, you know,
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Speaker 11: massive unemployment rates by twenty thirty. We're talking that's less
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Speaker 11: than five years away. There's no doubt that jobs are
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Speaker 11: going to change, there's no doubt that some jobs won't exist.
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Speaker 11: But will it happen in five years? Will it be
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Speaker 11: as devastating as he's suggesting.
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Speaker 1: Probably not.
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Speaker 11: But if you're a business person, a business owner, and
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Speaker 11: most importantly a government, and you're not thinking about this
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Speaker 11: today and doing forecasts and making plans, then that's the
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Speaker 11: real problem that we've got is the people that are
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Speaker 11: not showing any any concern or any foresight into this
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Speaker 11: change that's coming.
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Speaker 3: So what sort of job losses are we talking about here?
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Speaker 3: Is the particular sectors that you have in mind, or
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Speaker 3: particular demographics, I.
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Speaker 1: Don't think there is at this point.
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Speaker 11: I think obviously the kind of workers who are knowledge
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Speaker 11: based is what this biggest flag was raised today in
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Speaker 11: this article because essentially there's been a lot of people say, oh,
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Speaker 11: the rise of ais, just like when dishwashers created or
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Speaker 11: you know, any sort of machines. But it's a bit
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Speaker 11: different because you know, an AI can essentially have legal knowledge.
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Speaker 1: Now it doesn't have legal.
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Speaker 11: Skill or legal standing, but it can have the knowledge.
21:12
Speaker 1: And if that takes away, you know, call it parallegal.
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Speaker 11: I'm not a lawyer in any sense, but if you
21:17
Speaker 11: take away you know, the hours of research required to
21:20
Speaker 11: find out a bit of information, and that creates a
21:23
Speaker 11: saving for a business. If you look at the kind
21:26
Speaker 11: of businesses that do you know, research, those things are
21:30
Speaker 11: very simple for AI to do because of the massive
21:33
Speaker 11: computing power. If you're using your hands and there are
21:36
Speaker 11: skills involved, we're not really talking about your business right now,
21:40
Speaker 11: but if you're using your brain and you can't quantify
21:45
Speaker 11: your personal skill over and above someone else in terms
21:48
Speaker 11: of your knowledge sets, that's where some risks certainly exists
21:52
Speaker 11: with AI. As it gets better, and Jamie, you got
21:54
Speaker 11: to remember this AI stuff has gotten better in rapid
21:58
Speaker 11: rates over the last two years alone.
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Speaker 3: Well, that's what I was about to ask you, is
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Speaker 3: that there is often this narrative that we are moving
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Speaker 3: ahead with AI far too rapidly.
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Speaker 5: What do you think about that.
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Speaker 1: We can't stop it? You know, governments can't stop it.
22:17
Speaker 11: What we have to accept and it's very silly analogy
22:21
Speaker 11: in some ways, but think about Uber. When Uber started,
22:24
Speaker 11: it was just the idea of sharing your ride, sharing
22:26
Speaker 11: a car, and then they realized they could probably do
22:28
Speaker 11: the taxi service better than anywhere else, and they grew
22:31
Speaker 11: that very quickly.
22:32
Speaker 1: And think about how they entered Australia.
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Speaker 11: They just went, we're here and we're staying and they
22:37
Speaker 11: essentially ran rogue and governments needed to catch up to
22:40
Speaker 11: them and set rules around them that did in some
22:44
Speaker 11: way harness what they were doing, you know, clipping the
22:46
Speaker 11: ticket on their bookings and things like that. But Uber
22:49
Speaker 11: set the agenda and that's what AI's doing now, but
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Speaker 11: in a far more dramatic way. So in reality, that's
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Speaker 11: the biggest challenge is that it's impossible to harness this
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Speaker 11: from a government level. What we need to do is
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Speaker 11: actually embrace it. We need to embrace it. We need
23:05
Speaker 11: to legislate it so that we can regulate the UCA
23:09
Speaker 11: job at in Australia and most importantly the Onshore Federation
23:14
Speaker 11: of it, so that what we do in Australia happens
23:17
Speaker 11: in Australia.
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Speaker 1: We should be advocating for that now, so that.
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Speaker 11: We're creating jobs and industry in Australia for AI.
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Speaker 1: That's the smartest thing we could be.
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Speaker 12: Doing right now.
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Speaker 3: And Trevor, before I let you go, I just want
23:28
Speaker 3: to get your thoughts on something. Australia's largest data center
23:31
Speaker 3: operators have warned that AI driven surge and electricity demand
23:35
Speaker 3: cannot be reliably powered by.
23:37
Speaker 5: Wind and solar alone, I mean surprise.
23:40
Speaker 3: They argue that gas, colon, hydro and other firm incapacity
23:43
Speaker 3: are all needed to keep critical infrastructure.
23:45
Speaker 5: Running twenty four to seven.
23:47
Speaker 3: So if data centers underpin defense and hospitals and the
23:50
Speaker 3: digital economy, should we be doing more to ensure dispatchable
23:54
Speaker 3: power is securely in place.
23:58
Speaker 11: Base Load power is not so thing I knew about
24:01
Speaker 11: twenty years ago, but we've all heard the term and
24:03
Speaker 11: a simple analogy. I've got lots of solar on my roof.
24:06
Speaker 11: I've got two electric cars. But if I have a
24:09
Speaker 11: day where I'm running my air conditioning and I plug
24:11
Speaker 11: my car in and there's a bit a heavy cloud
24:14
Speaker 11: runs over for an hour or two, my system needs
24:17
Speaker 11: to choose am I going to draw from the grid
24:19
Speaker 11: for the car or am I going to stop charging
24:21
Speaker 11: the car?
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Speaker 1: In a data center environment, you can't make decisions about
24:24
Speaker 1: what you turn off and on. It has to be on.
24:27
Speaker 11: So that base load power and what we Again this
24:29
Speaker 11: goes back to governments and forecasting. We need to be
24:32
Speaker 11: forecasting the baseload power for the future around an industry
24:36
Speaker 11: that is data center heavy. In Australia. Again, we should
24:38
Speaker 11: be leading that race and think about this way. Meta
24:42
Speaker 11: the biggest, one of the biggest companies in the world, Facebook,
24:44
Speaker 11: Mark Zuckerberg, They're investing in nuclear energy.
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Speaker 1: Why because they.
24:49
Speaker 11: Know they need to control the baseload power that goes
24:52
Speaker 11: into their data centers to power their cloud and their AI.
24:56
Speaker 11: If we as a country are not thinking about how
24:59
Speaker 11: we power base load, we're losing the race and we
25:03
Speaker 11: simply can't have solid data center reliance in Australia.
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Speaker 3: Just pot On Trevor and Microsoft are doing the same
25:09
Speaker 3: going down that nuclear path. Thank you so much for
25:12
Speaker 3: your time this evening. After the break, will cross to
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Speaker 3: the UK for the latest on Prime Minister Sir Keith
25:18
Speaker 3: Starmer's historic trip to China, plus a reform UK candidate
25:22
Speaker 3: has thrown their hat in the ring to be London's mayor.
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Speaker 5: That's next. Welcome back. It's great to have your company.
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Speaker 1: Sir.
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Speaker 3: Keith Starmer has held talks with Jigiping in Beijing, the
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Speaker 3: first British prime minister to do so since twenty eighteen.
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Speaker 3: Following the meeting with g Starmer says the UK China
25:46
Speaker 3: alliance is in a good place.
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Speaker 13: It was all strengthening up the relationship and that's in
25:52
Speaker 13: the national interest because of course there are huge opportunities
25:55
Speaker 13: here in China. It's the second biggest economy in the world.
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Speaker 13: That's why we've got such a big business delegation.
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Speaker 3: Were here to talk us through how it's all gone down.
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Speaker 3: Is Sky News contributor Adrian Hayes Adrian welcome. Donald Trump
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Speaker 3: has reportedly blasted Starmer's Beijing visit, branding the China reset
26:18
Speaker 3: as very dangerous.
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Speaker 5: What do you make of that?
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Speaker 14: Yeah, look to give a government side first.
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Speaker 15: I mean the premise that the government will say it's
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Speaker 15: about creating a sophisticated relationship, largest economy in the world,
26:35
Speaker 15: business interests, national interests and so on. Critics will say,
26:39
Speaker 15: you know what did what was actually achieved? It was
26:41
Speaker 15: five percent reduction on whiskey tariffs, Okay, great, it was
26:46
Speaker 15: a visa, free travel for tourists and business interests and
26:49
Speaker 15: a cooperation and intelligence sharing to stop engine spare parts
26:54
Speaker 15: getting to the illegal channel, migrants smugglers.
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Speaker 14: So somebody say it didn't achieve that much.
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Speaker 15: And of course they all use Berona phones on the
27:02
Speaker 15: visit as well, so there's been the word cowtelling has
27:06
Speaker 15: been used quite a lot well.
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Speaker 3: In addition to the talks of Beijing, Serki Starmer says
27:12
Speaker 3: that discussions are ongoing with the United States, and this
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Speaker 3: is over that controversial deal to hand the Chagos Islands
27:19
Speaker 3: to Mauritius, and there are now significant concerns that.
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Speaker 5: The US could withdraw support for the.
27:24
Speaker 3: Agreement, with President Trump attacking the plan and doing what
27:28
Speaker 3: he does and taking to true social and he did
27:30
Speaker 3: say that the UK giving away extremely important land is
27:35
Speaker 3: an act of great stupidity and is another in a
27:38
Speaker 3: very long line of national security reasons why Greenland has
27:43
Speaker 3: to be acquired. Adrian, can you just explain to our
27:46
Speaker 3: viewers what this all means.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, Look, I wish I hadn't kind of an hour
27:52
Speaker 14: to speak about this.
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Speaker 15: Is that full of this For very many decades, the
27:55
Speaker 15: Chegos Islands were ceded to Britain in eighteen fourteen, and
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Speaker 15: what the British government did disgracefully in the late sixties
28:02
Speaker 15: was forced be removed ten thousand chay Gossins, some to
28:05
Speaker 15: Mauritious subverstations, some to the UK and have unil actually
28:10
Speaker 15: really on the basis of a very vested interest driven
28:14
Speaker 15: United Nations Court judgment decided to hand back these islands
28:19
Speaker 15: to Mauritius, which never had any part of the islands.
28:22
Speaker 15: And there's three main things on JV that This one
28:25
Speaker 15: is the security of the UK based Diego but Garcia base,
28:28
Speaker 15: which is very important for United States aircraft and very
28:32
Speaker 15: other things.
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Speaker 14: There is the one of.
28:34
Speaker 15: The world's largest marine conservation areas which is under threat.
28:38
Speaker 15: But also most fundamentally is the rights of the chay
28:41
Speaker 15: Gossian islanders themselves.
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Speaker 14: They have not been consulted at all.
28:44
Speaker 15: About this, this rotten deal and I think this, you know,
28:47
Speaker 15: this is just a very very wrong deal.
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Speaker 3: And just talk to us about Trump's concern about Mauritius
28:55
Speaker 3: being linked to China and now making this quite vulnerable
28:59
Speaker 3: if if the island is handed to them.
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Speaker 15: Yeah, the deal was to give you know, handed to Mauritius,
29:06
Speaker 15: and by the way, pay Mauritius thirty four pounds for
29:10
Speaker 15: the privilege.
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Speaker 14: Which is just unheard of.
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Speaker 15: It's like, you know, but just but and then leading
29:15
Speaker 15: back the Diego Gasti military base. But it creates all
29:18
Speaker 15: sorts of uncertainties. You know, what can happen to the
29:21
Speaker 15: outer isons. Could China or other islands or other nations
29:24
Speaker 15: put bases on these outer islands.
29:27
Speaker 14: It's a very insecure deal.
29:28
Speaker 15: And it looks like Trump has finally sort of woken
29:30
Speaker 15: up and said this is an utterly stupid idea. And
29:33
Speaker 15: as I said, there are certain things that's right and wrong,
29:35
Speaker 15: this is a very wrong deal.
29:38
Speaker 5: And there's a new sheriff in town.
29:40
Speaker 3: At least that's what Laila Cunningham has been telling Londoners.
29:44
Speaker 3: She just put a hand up to run for London
29:46
Speaker 3: mayor in twenty twenty eight for Reform UK. She says
29:50
Speaker 3: that she's fed up with the crime spiral.
29:52
Speaker 5: Let's take a listen.
29:54
Speaker 16: If I'm mayor, there will be visible policing. There will
29:58
Speaker 16: be a zero tolerance a pro because even if you
30:00
Speaker 16: shoplift a twenty pounds piece of steak, that's corrosive to
30:04
Speaker 16: the community. There will be consequences, you know what they'll be.
30:08
Speaker 16: There'll be a new sheriff in town.
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Speaker 3: It looks like she means business, Adrian, what's the response, pain, Yeah.
30:16
Speaker 15: I think a lot of people won't know of her,
30:18
Speaker 15: but I do. She's a very powerful orator. She can
30:22
Speaker 15: debate anyone. I've seen some strong politicians will meekly under her.
30:26
Speaker 14: Sort of a torrade of facts.
30:29
Speaker 15: And I think the fact is that London, you know,
30:32
Speaker 15: and a lot of Australians are even leaving London.
30:34
Speaker 14: It's become a crime ridden city.
30:35
Speaker 15: You've got a mayor who is absolutely useless, who's more
30:38
Speaker 15: concerned with gender ideology and racism on anything, and climate
30:43
Speaker 15: change and netz Or policies than policing our streets and
30:45
Speaker 15: making it a safe city.
30:46
Speaker 14: So she's got a good chance, and I.
30:48
Speaker 15: Think most people in the UK would really do hope
30:51
Speaker 15: that at Leastaid he can't, you know, gets gets booted
30:54
Speaker 15: into touch and we get a new someone who's going
30:57
Speaker 15: to put Londoners and the country first.
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Speaker 3: What do you make about the Tory defections over to
31:03
Speaker 3: reform UK. We obviously get some headlines here, but what's
31:07
Speaker 3: the narrative like over in the UK about this.
31:11
Speaker 15: Yeah, they get some high profile figures Robert Jenrick, a
31:14
Speaker 15: former Justice secretary, and you know, many other cabinet ministers
31:20
Speaker 15: coming over. There is a you know, there is a
31:24
Speaker 15: steady trickle from conservative to reform anocritics. We'll say that
31:28
Speaker 15: this is clearing out the dead word for the Conservatives.
31:31
Speaker 15: But the issue is the Conservative Party. It's really has
31:34
Speaker 15: long drifted to sort of the more progressive left, the
31:38
Speaker 15: liberal Democrat side. So I think there's going to be
31:41
Speaker 15: more and more coming. It depends whether the leader of
31:43
Speaker 15: the Conservative Party, Cammy Banduck, can really she speaks a
31:46
Speaker 15: good word, but it's just whether the whole system in
31:49
Speaker 15: the party is very endemic with this sort of centrist
31:52
Speaker 15: role rule of centrius.
31:54
Speaker 14: View of the world.
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Speaker 5: It's fascinating to watch it.
31:57
Speaker 3: I must say I will leave it there, Agrient, Thank
32:00
Speaker 3: you so much for joining me this evening. Well after
32:04
Speaker 3: the break, leadership speculation continues to mount for the broken coalition,
32:09
Speaker 3: with a spill on Monday for the Nats and that
32:12
Speaker 3: breaking news with Andrew Hasty who will not contest the leadership.
32:16
Speaker 3: So what does that mean for Susan Lee. More on
32:18
Speaker 3: that next Welcome back to the program. It's now let's
32:26
Speaker 3: head to all the news out of Canberra. Andrew Hasty
32:29
Speaker 3: has this afternoon bowed out of the race for the
32:32
Speaker 3: Liberal leadership. Susan Lee is reportedly safe for now. Shadow
32:36
Speaker 3: Attorney General Andrew Wallace described the debacle as a beat up.
32:41
Speaker 17: This is a storm and a teacup that this is
32:43
Speaker 17: a beat up from a number of a small number
32:47
Speaker 17: of Liberal backbenches. We're getting on with the job. My
32:51
Speaker 17: colleagues are getting on with the job. The only people
32:53
Speaker 17: who are really interested in this is the media. I
32:57
Speaker 17: never saw this as a potential or real viability.
33:02
Speaker 3: And the leadership spill in the Nationals party room on
33:05
Speaker 3: Monday is also likely to see David Little Proud retain
33:09
Speaker 3: his position. Here to discuss this and plenty of other
33:12
Speaker 3: issues of the day is former Queensland Premier Campbell Newman. Campbell,
33:17
Speaker 3: thank you for joining me on this Friday evening. There's
33:19
Speaker 3: a stack for us to unpack, but I do want
33:22
Speaker 3: to start with Hasti's announcement today that he doesn't have
33:25
Speaker 3: the numbers to take on the Liberal leadership.
33:28
Speaker 5: What do you think Angus Taylor will now do.
33:34
Speaker 16: Well?
33:34
Speaker 18: It was a Valian effort thereby Andrew Wallace a storm
33:37
Speaker 18: and a teacup. Well they as their primary vote drains
33:41
Speaker 18: out to see well across preps to one nation, Well
33:46
Speaker 18: we'll see if it's a storm and a teacup, I
33:48
Speaker 18: think not.
33:48
Speaker 2: But look, this exit from some sort of leadership.
33:53
Speaker 18: Race by Andrew Hasty, I think only makes it more
33:56
Speaker 18: likely that Angus Tarler will have a go shortly. And
34:01
Speaker 18: you know, I personally think Susan Lee has got to go.
34:05
Speaker 18: You know, I've made no secret of that on many
34:07
Speaker 18: occasions on this network. You know there's been no cut
34:11
Speaker 18: through I think, well until the aftermath sadly of BONDI
34:17
Speaker 18: and I'll acknowledge there she was getting some political hits
34:20
Speaker 18: on the board, but you know the Prime Minister was
34:22
Speaker 18: cheating himself from the foot. But I think there needs
34:25
Speaker 18: to be change, and I think there needs to be
34:27
Speaker 18: changed in the National Party leadership as well. I think
34:30
Speaker 18: David Little Proud has completely overplayed his hand and took
34:35
Speaker 18: a principled position by the National Party to oppose the
34:39
Speaker 18: hate speed legislation into a situation where he copped the blame.
34:44
Speaker 3: So on the GNATS, there is every indication that the
34:47
Speaker 3: spill motion on Monday won't succeed.
34:50
Speaker 5: But does this now indicate what.
34:53
Speaker 3: Could become a deeper leadership problem because there's obviously issues
34:57
Speaker 3: coming out of the gnats.
34:58
Speaker 5: What do you see as coming out of Monday.
35:04
Speaker 18: Well, the ideal thing would be for some sort of
35:07
Speaker 18: decisive outcome, and that would be a change of leadership,
35:13
Speaker 18: I would have thought, because if the two current leaders
35:17
Speaker 18: continue on, there's almost a bit of an uneasy sort
35:21
Speaker 18: of truth. We're our hearing that Susan Lee and a
35:26
Speaker 18: Little Proud are going to sort of have a meeting
35:28
Speaker 18: and they're going to start talking again.
35:32
Speaker 2: It's a bit late.
35:32
Speaker 18: I mean a Little Proud's called for her head only
35:36
Speaker 18: in the last week. You know, it's sort of you.
35:39
Speaker 18: You can't put the egg back into the shells and
35:42
Speaker 18: reconstitute the thing.
35:43
Speaker 2: I mean, it's broken.
35:45
Speaker 18: It needs new leaders who are prepared to work in
35:48
Speaker 18: coalition and make no mistake, That's what I'm advocating. But
35:51
Speaker 18: I'm also advocating that a Liberal party party room needs
35:55
Speaker 18: to respect the national Party who are acutely aware of
35:59
Speaker 18: the days of the legislation that was voting to law
36:04
Speaker 18: in the last week, who are acutely aware of the
36:07
Speaker 18: way that people are going to one nation because they're
36:10
Speaker 18: so fed up with I'm afraid a left wing slide
36:14
Speaker 18: of the Liberal Party.
36:15
Speaker 2: Those are issues that should be listened to.
36:18
Speaker 3: And Campbell, we will move on in just a moment
36:20
Speaker 3: to some of the other issues. But I said at
36:23
Speaker 3: the top of the program about how it's easy just
36:26
Speaker 3: to put in a new leader. But I can't say
36:28
Speaker 3: so in the Liberal Party. But surely they also need
36:31
Speaker 3: to be addressing some of the other issues that are
36:33
Speaker 3: going on internally. Because there's so much chaos going around.
36:37
Speaker 3: I just can't see voters coming back if it's just
36:41
Speaker 3: a new face.
36:44
Speaker 18: I'm sort of I'm sort of saying that as well,
36:47
Speaker 18: maybe in a slightly different way.
36:48
Speaker 2: Jamie. I agree with you the way you've put it.
36:50
Speaker 18: It's, you know, even if you change the leadership, you know,
36:55
Speaker 18: you've actually got to change the approach and the policies,
36:58
Speaker 18: et cetera. You know, look, the person I reckon always
37:03
Speaker 18: gets this pretty right is Peter Kredlen. She wrote a
37:06
Speaker 18: piece in The Australia in the last few days which
37:08
Speaker 18: really laid out the challenge for the Liberal Party. And
37:12
Speaker 18: you know it's this and that is that they have
37:16
Speaker 18: moved to the left. They have been labor light. They
37:20
Speaker 18: haven't made a stand on the important issues. They haven't
37:22
Speaker 18: been true to their principles. You know, can't I can't
37:26
Speaker 18: remember the last time I saw a Liberal leader pounding
37:30
Speaker 18: day after day, small government, balanced budget, the importance of
37:34
Speaker 18: private enterprise, the importance of the family, that Australian shouldn't
37:39
Speaker 18: be encouraged to be welfare dependent, that people should stand
37:42
Speaker 18: on their own two feet and been rewarded for private
37:47
Speaker 18: enterprise and taking risks. And that's like, that's not been
37:51
Speaker 18: the Liberal Party narrative the last five or six years.
37:54
Speaker 18: They might know, they might try and reject that, but
37:56
Speaker 18: that's the bottom line.
37:58
Speaker 2: And then there are the so.
37:59
Speaker 18: Called culture war issues which Pauline Hanson has campaigned relentlessly
38:04
Speaker 18: on and now is being rewarded in terms of the
38:07
Speaker 18: poles because people are deserting in droves from the Liberal
38:10
Speaker 18: Party and the Nats to go across to the fence
38:13
Speaker 18: there with someone who at least has been consistent for
38:16
Speaker 18: the last thirty years on what they believe in.
38:20
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just a mess, isn't it. Campbell.
38:22
Speaker 3: Well, let's now talk about the federal Yes, the federal government,
38:26
Speaker 3: who has struck a deal with the States on hospital
38:29
Speaker 3: funding and the Prime Minister has said that this is
38:31
Speaker 3: a better health deal for all Australians.
38:33
Speaker 19: Here is this funding deal is about a better deal
38:37
Speaker 19: for Australians, about better health care, about strengthening Medicare. We
38:42
Speaker 19: can pride ourselves that Australians get the care they need
38:46
Speaker 19: when they need it, and they do that through the
38:50
Speaker 19: Medicare system.
38:52
Speaker 5: So what are your thoughts on this? Does this look
38:54
Speaker 5: like a fair result?
38:58
Speaker 2: Who knows? I mean, that's the bottom line.
39:00
Speaker 18: That's the honest answer, Jamie, because we just don't know
39:02
Speaker 18: really where this whole thing is.
39:04
Speaker 2: I mean, I'll just make a few comments about all this.
39:07
Speaker 18: Firstly, on health, the health systems of the various states
39:10
Speaker 18: that need to be reformed. They need to be far
39:12
Speaker 18: more efficient. Hospitals are not being well run. There is
39:15
Speaker 18: all sorts. There's all sorts of overstaffing in some areas,
39:20
Speaker 18: far too many administrators to the actual clinical staff. When
39:23
Speaker 18: I was premier, we managed to turn that around and
39:26
Speaker 18: we got the best surgical waiting times in the nation.
39:28
Speaker 18: And it wasn't done through just more money going into
39:31
Speaker 18: the system. So I make that comment. Another comment, a
39:35
Speaker 18: more high level comment is, look, I'm fed up with
39:38
Speaker 18: the game between Canberra and the States. If the Prime
39:42
Speaker 18: Minister really wanted to get some focus on this issue,
39:46
Speaker 18: put to the states that they can actually have a
39:48
Speaker 18: share of federal income tax and there's a formula that
39:53
Speaker 18: depends on how states then decide to actually charge other
39:58
Speaker 18: sort of imposts and charges. But let them sort of
40:01
Speaker 18: go their own way and stand up for themselves instead
40:04
Speaker 18: of being sort of winging, whining, mendicant premier is always
40:07
Speaker 18: coming and begging and arguing.
40:09
Speaker 2: You know.
40:10
Speaker 18: Really, what I'm saying is there needs to be a
40:12
Speaker 18: proper wholesale reform of how tax is actually taken and
40:17
Speaker 18: then carved up. At the moment the federal government get
40:20
Speaker 18: most of the money, whereas down at state and local
40:24
Speaker 18: government level that's where the actual services are delivered. That's
40:27
Speaker 18: the fundamental problem here, and I just wish someone again
40:31
Speaker 18: Liberal Party should have the guts to say that's what
40:33
Speaker 18: they're going to do. And I could tear you now,
40:35
Speaker 18: a lot of the premiers wo be too scared to
40:37
Speaker 18: take responsibility for raising their own revenue because then they
40:41
Speaker 18: would be accountable to their communities for how much they
40:43
Speaker 18: taxed and how they spent the money.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, some very good points there, Campbell.
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Speaker 3: And just really quickly before I'll let you go, what
40:51
Speaker 3: do you make of the reports out today that public
40:53
Speaker 3: sector workers are taking fifty percent more sick days than
40:57
Speaker 3: private employees in New South Wales. It's the kind of
41:00
Speaker 3: absentees and that's creating significant risks to the workforce. But
41:04
Speaker 3: also it's a huge bill for tax payers. Surely this
41:08
Speaker 3: isn't fair. But how do we actually force the government
41:10
Speaker 3: sector to pull its socks up?
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Speaker 18: Yeah, and it's more than just this issue of absentees
41:18
Speaker 18: and if I can call it that in New South Wales.
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Speaker 2: Look, the public sector is.
41:23
Speaker 18: In urgent need of reformists just talking about hospitals, but
41:26
Speaker 18: across the board in this nation, we have too many
41:29
Speaker 18: public servants and they're not doing enough. And you know,
41:34
Speaker 18: the public sector are paid now more on average than
41:37
Speaker 18: private sector workers and they get massive pay rises compared
41:42
Speaker 18: to the private sector. The facts are there and the
41:45
Speaker 18: least we could expect out of them is high performance.
41:48
Speaker 18: But again, you know, we've got premiers that aren't prepared
41:52
Speaker 18: along with their treasures and ministers to actually force reform
41:56
Speaker 18: to get better delivery of services for Australians.
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Speaker 2: We urgently need that.
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Speaker 18: I mean, sorry, Jamien, I mean we negative on just
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Speaker 18: prior a weekend, but this is a country that needs
42:06
Speaker 18: to recover it's mojo and we need to start getting
42:10
Speaker 18: people to do a better job for the money they're getting.
42:13
Speaker 18: And they're plenty of private sector enterprises as well who
42:16
Speaker 18: let us down these days. Some of our biggest companies
42:21
Speaker 18: are sort of lumbering bureaucracies that don't believe in customer service.
42:25
Speaker 18: So an emphasis on looking after Australians as customers is
42:29
Speaker 18: probably a really good way for people to be thinking
42:31
Speaker 18: about this.
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Speaker 5: Yes, absolutely spot on.
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Speaker 3: Will Campbell, thank you so much for joining me on
42:36
Speaker 3: a Friday evening.
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Speaker 5: Enjoy your weekend.
42:39
Speaker 9: Well.
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Speaker 3: Coming up more on Andrew Haste's decision not to challenge
42:42
Speaker 3: for the Liberal leadership, plus plenty of other news of
42:45
Speaker 3: the week with our Friday Night panel.
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Speaker 5: That's next. Well, welcome back.
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Speaker 3: Let's jump straight into our Friday night panel. Gematon Jini
42:57
Speaker 3: from gt Communications and Sky News contributor Joe Hilda Brown.
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Speaker 5: That's good to.
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Speaker 19: Me.
43:05
Speaker 5: I'm very happy, I'm very guarded.
43:07
Speaker 20: I feel like we've invented some new type of space
43:12
Speaker 20: in dimensional travel.
43:13
Speaker 5: Yeah, this is real. This is not a given that comment.
43:16
Speaker 3: I just realized how much I've missed sitting on a
43:18
Speaker 3: panel with you and your.
43:23
Speaker 12: Rarely I hear that.
43:24
Speaker 5: Be prepared to lose control.
43:26
Speaker 3: Well, and you're Hasty today confirmed this afternoon that he won't.
43:30
Speaker 5: Contest Liberal leadership, saying he.
43:32
Speaker 3: Doesn't have the numbers. Gemma, this has just been an
43:35
Speaker 3: absolute mess.
43:37
Speaker 21: Well, it's been untidy and drawn out and the only
43:41
Speaker 21: thing I would say that hasn't been said already is
43:43
Speaker 21: I don't with the greatest of respect, I don't think
43:45
Speaker 21: anyone but mister Hasty thought he would win or was
43:48
Speaker 21: in with a chance, like it's very easy. And I
43:50
Speaker 21: say this is a proud somewhat still Sam Groper, But
43:53
Speaker 21: living in Sydney now, for for is very easy in
43:55
Speaker 21: a in a bubble like doubly way to get a
43:59
Speaker 21: different sense of the world. And I say that respectfully,
44:03
Speaker 21: but I just don't think anyone else reasonably thought he
44:06
Speaker 21: was a chance. I could be wrong, but that's my tech.
44:08
Speaker 20: I think it's always harder for the smaller states as well,
44:11
Speaker 20: because you don't have the connections that give you the
44:13
Speaker 20: numbers in the first place, and understanding that.
44:15
Speaker 12: I'm not surprised by this at all.
44:17
Speaker 20: I've been saying ever since this whole shamozzle boiled over,
44:21
Speaker 20: if Susan Lee decided not to run, her numbers would
44:24
Speaker 20: all automatically go to Angus Taylor.
44:27
Speaker 12: So because it would be a repeat of.
44:29
Speaker 20: Twenty eighteen and what Pine did to Peter Dutton, and
44:34
Speaker 20: so you might have you know, even if Andrew Hasty
44:36
Speaker 20: had the majority of write votes as soon as Susan
44:40
Speaker 20: Lee tapped out, if she had run, if she'd been
44:43
Speaker 20: silly enough to run and knocked Angus Taylor out, then
44:46
Speaker 20: Hasty may well have beaten her. But she can pull
44:50
Speaker 20: out if she doesn't run, she gives her numbers to Taylor,
44:53
Speaker 20: and they will. It will be anyone but Hasty and
44:56
Speaker 20: all the moderates will then.
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Speaker 5: And I just don't think he's again.
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Speaker 21: So this is a rusted on, frustrated Liberal vote. I
45:03
Speaker 21: just don't think he's ready personally.
45:05
Speaker 12: Well, he can afford to wait as well.
45:06
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a better way.
45:08
Speaker 1: Yeah.
45:09
Speaker 20: If Taylor doesn't go now, he will never ever ever
45:11
Speaker 20: have a chance. But Josh Friedenberg coming in most likely
45:14
Speaker 20: at the next election. He will certainly run again and
45:17
Speaker 20: has a very strong chance of retaking Kong. He is
45:20
Speaker 20: not coming back to be a backbencher and so and.
45:22
Speaker 21: Nor would we want him to be exactly exactly you want.
45:25
Speaker 12: Your best people there. So, so if.
45:27
Speaker 20: Taylor doesn't get the leadership now, he never gets the leadership,
45:30
Speaker 20: and he's a safe pair of hands, like he's not
45:32
Speaker 20: exactly going to set the world's on fire.
45:35
Speaker 5: But some fact you might not know.
45:36
Speaker 21: Very good horsemen, apparently, very good writer.
45:39
Speaker 12: I can see him in jod Fi's.
45:42
Speaker 4: Well, let's have a.
45:43
Speaker 3: Look at some of the concerns from businesses that unions
45:46
Speaker 3: could soon be granted big brother like powers to access
45:49
Speaker 3: any business's.
45:50
Speaker 5: Digital work systems.
45:52
Speaker 3: So as we put to a vote next month, and
45:54
Speaker 3: if this goes through, there are concerns that will be
45:56
Speaker 3: a free for all for unions to access business data
45:59
Speaker 3: including hate systems, databases, payroll, private emails.
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Speaker 5: Jemmy, you're a business owner.
46:06
Speaker 4: Surely this is just a disaster waiting to happen.
46:09
Speaker 21: Well, I can't see on what grounds it would be legal,
46:12
Speaker 21: like just free for all access. I understand that when
46:15
Speaker 21: you put a physical workplace and there's safety issues, construction sites,
46:18
Speaker 21: that sort of stuff. I understand that, but what is
46:20
Speaker 21: the rationale for this. I mean union's memberships have been
46:24
Speaker 21: falling exponentially for a many many years, less than ten
46:27
Speaker 21: percent I think of the Australian workforce is unionized. These
46:31
Speaker 21: people throw their weight around disproportionate to the number of
46:35
Speaker 21: staff in the Australian workforce that they represent, and there's
46:38
Speaker 21: a reason for that. This is just politics and it'll
46:41
Speaker 21: give the Prime Minister if they start arking up about
46:43
Speaker 21: this sort of stuff. It'll give the Prime Minister an
46:44
Speaker 21: almighty headache that he probably doesn't need or want.
46:47
Speaker 5: Yeah, Joe, a problem that trying to.
46:49
Speaker 12: Solve exclosure to a problem that nobody knew we had.
46:53
Speaker 20: Yeah, look, I don't think I think it is probably
46:55
Speaker 20: the unions, and I think they are as a bit.
46:57
Speaker 20: It's less than ten percent in the private set when
46:59
Speaker 20: you're taking the publics or it's double digits at least,
47:02
Speaker 20: but not great obviously, But.
47:04
Speaker 12: I think it is.
47:07
Speaker 20: I think it is the unions just you know, doing
47:09
Speaker 20: what they always do, which.
47:10
Speaker 12: Is putting in a fail safe.
47:12
Speaker 20: There's a bit of an ambit claim to say that,
47:15
Speaker 20: you know, you know, just in case they do end
47:18
Speaker 20: up having to have some of this, and then there's
47:19
Speaker 20: always going to be back and forth, and it will
47:21
Speaker 20: be you know, if there's ground if if there's grounds
47:24
Speaker 20: for you know, again, if.
47:25
Speaker 21: They're give me an example, like genuinely give me an example,
47:28
Speaker 21: Like I can't think of a single reason why they
47:29
Speaker 21: should have that kind of access.
47:31
Speaker 20: I think, well, say, for example, you've got structural problem,
47:35
Speaker 20: Say okay, good one is Amazon, right, So say, for example,
47:39
Speaker 20: you've got Amazon, which I use all the time time,
47:41
Speaker 20: as big as hypocrite as everyone else, but which is
47:43
Speaker 20: basically treating its employees like robots and saying no, you
47:46
Speaker 20: have to go.
47:47
Speaker 12: Faster, faster, faster, faster, faster, faster, faster.
47:50
Speaker 20: Union I think, especially as part of an EBA or whatever,
47:53
Speaker 20: could say, well, let's sit down, what are the algorithms
47:56
Speaker 20: actually telling you to do?
47:58
Speaker 21: What are you using different proposition?
48:00
Speaker 12: What are you using to justify.
48:02
Speaker 21: The Yeah, because you can subpoena that well not subpoena
48:05
Speaker 21: is not the right word. But in the process, I'm
48:08
Speaker 21: very much opposed to like right of entry digital right
48:10
Speaker 21: of entry, but I.
48:12
Speaker 20: Think that I think that they make a claim for
48:15
Speaker 20: that knowing that will end up being negotiated, So it
48:17
Speaker 20: will be during an EBA negotiating period.
48:20
Speaker 12: For example, you get.
48:22
Speaker 21: Because employers, employers, we shouldn't just have a free for
48:25
Speaker 21: all to go, right, slave or proletariat, line up.
48:28
Speaker 20: For your suits unless it's Amazon and they're delivering my
48:31
Speaker 20: stuff over.
48:33
Speaker 3: You were concerned very much about AI taking over rosters
48:36
Speaker 3: and all of that sort of thing.
48:37
Speaker 21: They should be concerned about how taking over jobs.
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Speaker 4: Guys, this was lovely. Oh it went very far.
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Speaker 3: Oh thank you for joining me this evening.
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Speaker 5: Well that's it from us, Thank you for your company.
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