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"I KILLED NATALEE" Joran van de Sloot Confession · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: We are here outside the Hugo Black Federal Courthouse in Birmingham.
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Speaker 2: Right behind us, a plea deal has just gone down
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Speaker 2: today we thought would never come with the Reuben Judge's son,
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Speaker 2: Yourn van der Sleute, who we have long believed murdered
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Speaker 2: Natalie Holloway, and today we find out that's exactly what happened.
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Speaker 3: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us, not only here at
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Speaker 2: the Hugo Black Courthouse, but on Crime Stories in series
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Speaker 2: XEM one eleven with me Joe Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics,
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Speaker 2: Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on
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Speaker 2: Amazon and start of hit series Bodybags. With Joe Scott Morgan,
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Speaker 2: my longtime friend and colleague, and also my longtime friend
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Speaker 2: and college league, Cheryl McCollum. She's the founder and the
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Speaker 2: director of the Cold Case Research Institute and she's a
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Speaker 2: star of a hit series Zone seven podcast. We've been
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Speaker 2: in the courtroom from the beginning and I've just come out,
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Speaker 2: and what a day in the courtroom today.
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Speaker 4: I can tell you with certainty that after eighteen years
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Speaker 4: Natalie's case, it's solved.
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Speaker 5: As far as I'm concerned, it's over. It's over.
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Speaker 4: R On Vandersolde is no longer the suspect in my
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Speaker 4: daughter's murder.
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Speaker 5: He is the killer.
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Speaker 2: I've just talked out of the courtroom. And the last
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Speaker 2: thing I did before I left the courtroom as I
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Speaker 2: got to hug Beth, Natalie Holloway's mother. What an odyssey
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Speaker 2: that woman has been on since her daughter Natalie disappeared
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Speaker 2: so many years ago on a senior trip to Aruba,
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Speaker 2: heavily chaperone. Everything was going fine until the night before
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Speaker 2: it was time to leave. Natalie was never seen alive again.
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Speaker 2: And today in the courtroom we finally see in the flesh,
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Speaker 2: not a picture, not an artist drawing your Vanderslout, the
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Speaker 2: Uruben Judge's son, who I have long believed murdered Natalie
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Speaker 2: Holloway and the line we've counted up eight to ten
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Speaker 2: stories he's told. But today a story has survived. A polygraph,
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Speaker 2: not only a polygraph that has been administered by our
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Speaker 2: federal experts, but a detailed investigation by, as the judge said,
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Speaker 2: some of the best detectives and investigators.
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Speaker 3: In the world.
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Speaker 1: Now, if it were not for what the judge said, I.
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Speaker 3: Would not believe one word you're in Vanderslout.
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Speaker 2: Spit out in his statement, But I think he told
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Speaker 2: just enough of the truth to get a deal. A
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Speaker 2: lot of people have been whining it's a sweetheart deal.
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Speaker 2: It is not a sweetheart deal. In front of this
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Speaker 2: judge were just two charges, and they've dealt with extorting
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Speaker 2: Natalie's mother, Beth out of twenty five thousand dollars in
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Speaker 2: exchange for Natalie's remains or whereabouts? Can you believe that
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Speaker 2: extorting a grieving mother offering to tell where her daughter
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Speaker 2: its remains are for money? And of course he was
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Speaker 2: lying through his teeth. But today we finally got some answers.
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Speaker 3: And if a federal.
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Speaker 2: Judge believes it, and a polygraph believes it, and a
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Speaker 2: fleet a federal investigators believe it, I gotta stay. As
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Speaker 2: much as I don't like the Feds, I believe it too.
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Speaker 2: I want to go to special guests joining us right now.
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Speaker 2: A young lady that went with us to Aruba and
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Speaker 2: searched for answers. Ginger Strickling, Ginger, what has Beth been through?
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Speaker 6: It's just been terrible, Nancy, the pain, the grief, the
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Speaker 6: not knowing and knowing that he was guilty, but not
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Speaker 6: admitting anything until he does agree to get back to
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Speaker 6: Peru with a plea deal or whatever, and to where
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Speaker 6: he can go back.
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Speaker 3: You know, it was interesting, Ginger, what we learned today
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Speaker 3: in court.
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Speaker 2: And we have not seen the full statement by Yourn
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Speaker 2: vander Slute, but it appeared to me, Ginger Strickland from
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Speaker 2: the clues I got in the court room that Jorn
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Speaker 2: vander Slute bludgeoned Natalie Holloway dead after she refused sex
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Speaker 2: with him and then discarded her body, disposed of a
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Speaker 2: body at sea. And I'm picking that up from a
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Speaker 2: statement Joe Scott, Morgan and Cheryl that we heard in
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Speaker 2: court where it was stated we will never find her body.
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Speaker 7: There's no doubt about it. Nancy, you and I knew
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Speaker 7: from the beginning that's most likely where he put her.
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Speaker 8: Period. And here's the thing.
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Speaker 7: Today is a great day because we got a confession.
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Speaker 7: He admitted to murdering her for the first so Beth
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Speaker 7: has got some answers today.
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Speaker 8: Period.
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Speaker 2: I was just wondering what led up to this moment.
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Speaker 2: What was happening last night, Ginger, What was happening with
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Speaker 2: Beth who was counseling her. Did she stay at home?
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Speaker 2: Did she pray? Could she sleep? Could she eat? I
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Speaker 2: mean it's always she looked stunning in court, but there
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Speaker 2: was a look in her eyes. And when she turned
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Speaker 2: around and looked at your Vanders slut and said, you
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Speaker 2: look like hell, I don't think you're gonna make it.
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Speaker 2: A lot of people laughed in the courtroom. I did
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Speaker 2: not laugh because he is going straight to hell. And
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Speaker 2: he did look like hell. He was would you say fleshy?
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Speaker 2: And yeah, he looked grungy. He had a lot of
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Speaker 2: arm fat, He looked old and dissipated. And I was
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Speaker 2: shocked when I saw his appearance. Jell and prove has
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Speaker 2: not been kind to him. But back to Beth, I.
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Speaker 6: Spent yesterday morning, a long time with her yesterday morning,
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Speaker 6: and you know, she in her mind is happy to
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Speaker 6: get to finally find out, but Natalie lives on forever.
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Speaker 6: But she was in a good spirit sleeping. I don't
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Speaker 6: think there's been much of that, especially since he's been here.
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Speaker 8: Eating.
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Speaker 6: You know, I feel like she needs to eat a cheeseburger.
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Speaker 6: But and you know how it is, she's stressed, she's worried.
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Speaker 3: But I feel like this.
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Speaker 6: Is going to be something that gives her some sort
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Speaker 6: of piece. But Nalie will live on. And I'm I
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Speaker 6: was so proud of her for being so strong today
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Speaker 6: in court when she spoke to him.
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Speaker 2: I'm gotta tell you, I broke down in tears, but
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Speaker 2: Beth did not. She turned around in that courtroom and
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Speaker 2: she looked white at your vanderschluute and she ripped him
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Speaker 2: a new one. There's really no other way to put it,
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Speaker 2: okay with me now, In addition to Cheryl and Ginger
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Speaker 2: and Ginger jump in whenever you hear anything that is
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Speaker 2: different from what you know to be correct, or you
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Speaker 2: want to add Joe Scott, I really want to hear
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Speaker 2: your analysis of what happened for me.
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Speaker 9: You know, when when I began to hear this information
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Speaker 9: began to trickle out relative to the cause of death,
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Speaker 9: what we suspect that it is, the term bludgeoning.
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Speaker 3: It all makes sense to you.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, on one level, but I'm like you. I you know,
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Speaker 9: if it had not come from someone else, I would
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Speaker 9: not have believed it relative to him.
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Speaker 2: Are you trying to say you think he's a liar?
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Speaker 2: I only believe what he says if taken with a
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Speaker 2: box of salt.
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Speaker 9: I think that anybody that would put a mama through
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Speaker 9: this as a scumback is what I truly believe.
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Speaker 3: And he's going to I can't believe nobody's killed him
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Speaker 3: hind Bars.
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Speaker 9: I know, and you know he's going to have an
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Speaker 9: interesting life downe in Peru. I'm sure at some point
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Speaker 9: in time, whenever he gets back down there. But this
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Speaker 9: is the thing, we have to understand that this threat
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Speaker 9: of violence runs through him. Remember, we can't forget what
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Speaker 9: also happened to the show later.
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Speaker 3: Stephanie Stephanie Toia Flores.
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Speaker 10: From what I've heard relative to.
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Speaker 3: That's oh and they refer to it today in court.
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Speaker 10: And it was brutal.
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Speaker 9: And that goes to the brutality that he was capable of.
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Speaker 2: So I mean, did you look at him and think
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Speaker 2: you are a killer, you are an animal?
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Speaker 9: Well, after as time has gone by, you know, when
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Speaker 9: you see him, he's kind of you know, when you
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Speaker 9: see him in all of the news reports and everything.
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Speaker 9: Over the years, he almost looked I don't know, ado
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Speaker 9: lesson at some.
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Speaker 2: Point I never thought that like a brat that, yes,
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Speaker 2: but I always thought he looked like a tiger. Ready
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Speaker 2: to pounce if nobody was looking.
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Speaker 10: Well, quite possibly.
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Speaker 9: You know, there's a history of violence with him, even
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Speaker 9: I think as it applies to his brother, at one
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Speaker 9: point in time, he almost.
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Speaker 10: Killed his brother.
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Speaker 9: So yeah, the fact that what they're saying has taken
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Speaker 9: place is not surprising.
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Speaker 10: And here's my final thought on it.
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Speaker 3: Oh you're not getting off of the hook, that is,
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Speaker 3: you stay right there.
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Speaker 9: Oh No, What I'm going to say is the fact
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Speaker 9: what happened with Navley's remains, the fact that we will
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Speaker 9: probably there's high probability, will never have anything relative.
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Speaker 3: Just said that in court, Joe Scott.
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Speaker 2: I think it was a judge said we will never
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Speaker 2: get Allie's remains, and that I took that to mean
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Speaker 2: that she was disposed of at sea.
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Speaker 9: And I've heard the word in the water relative to
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Speaker 9: what Beth was saying earlier, and I think that once
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Speaker 9: she slipped beneath those waves, we're never going to see
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Speaker 9: her again. And that again goes to the disregard that
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Speaker 9: he held, the diminishment that he held for this poor girl that.
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Speaker 10: Would down there.
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Speaker 9: You know, life was just cruising right along, and so
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Speaker 9: it's quite an amazing thing when you see this display.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: I want to talk about the fact we haven't even
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Speaker 2: brought up what the sentence was.
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Speaker 3: Guys.
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Speaker 2: We had to do some quick math in the courtroom,
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Speaker 2: and what I understand is a two hundred and forty
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Speaker 2: month sentence and breaking that down to twenty years behind
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Speaker 2: bars now under the law. The judge ran that concurrently
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Speaker 2: with the Peruvian sentence, and I think that's very important.
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Speaker 2: A lot of people wanted that to run consecutively. However,
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Speaker 2: the judge made it very clear on the record that
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Speaker 2: she thought that would somehow violate the federal sentencing guidelines.
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Speaker 2: So what we understand is this sentence will run concurrently
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Speaker 2: with the Peruvian sentence. The judge made it very clear
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Speaker 2: that should your van der Sloot's sentence be reduced, modified,
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Speaker 2: should he get out early for any reason, that he
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Speaker 2: would have to return to the US to complete sentencing.
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Speaker 3: Is that how you understood it, Cheryon, That's.
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Speaker 7: Exactly how I understood it. That judge was flawless today.
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Speaker 7: She was not going to make any mistake where anybody
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Speaker 7: could come back and say that he was not treated properly.
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Speaker 8: This was not done correctly.
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Speaker 7: She clarified, and then reclarified, and then checked again with
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Speaker 7: every single person the state, his attorney, and then with
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Speaker 7: mister Vanderslute. It was absolutely the most professional thing I
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Speaker 7: think I've ever seen in sentences.
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Speaker 2: Question, did you for one moment when the judge was
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Speaker 2: asking Gorn van der Slut, do you agree? Do you
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Speaker 2: agree at any moment that you think he was going
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Speaker 2: to say.
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Speaker 3: No and pull out No?
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Speaker 8: I don't know.
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Speaker 3: He's lied so much. I thought that he might for
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Speaker 3: one moment.
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Speaker 7: But I even told you yesterday, if you remember, he
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Speaker 7: was truthful about what happened to Stephanie Flores.
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Speaker 8: He admitted it at a point.
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Speaker 3: Because he was on camera for Pete's sake.
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Speaker 7: But he's caught here. That's what people don't understand. And
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Speaker 7: I said it yesterday and I'm going to say it
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Speaker 7: again today. He was on film, they had his bank records.
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Speaker 7: There was no wiggle room. Here's the point I want
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Speaker 7: to make. They had no reason to make a plea
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Speaker 7: with him. They had him on camera, they had the
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Speaker 7: bank records. The only reason to make a plea is
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Speaker 7: because he was going to tell the truth, and that's
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Speaker 7: what he did to get the deal.
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Speaker 2: We are talking about the plea deal that went down
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Speaker 2: with your van der slut behind us in the Hugo
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Speaker 2: Black Federal Building, Ginger, I want to focus off the
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Speaker 2: legal technicalities and I want to focus on Beth. How
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Speaker 2: did she prepare for today? What was her thinking regarding today?
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Speaker 2: And how do you think she will be tonight when
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Speaker 2: you see her tonight. I want to know what you
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Speaker 2: think her friend of mind is going to be relieved, happy, overwhelmed, sad.
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Speaker 2: I mean, so much of her life has been seeking.
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Speaker 6: Justice exactly, Nancy, it has you. She has prepared, She's
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Speaker 6: read the housands and thousands and thousands of pages of
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Speaker 6: documents and then with this that they received as a
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Speaker 6: pleague agreement or whatever, it's just tough, but she prepared herself. Mentally.
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Speaker 3: She's always a strong woman.
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Speaker 5: She has been a strong woman.
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Speaker 6: We saw that when we went to Aruba not long ago,
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Speaker 6: a couple of years ago. And I feel like she
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Speaker 6: is going to have some sort of closure with knowing.
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Speaker 3: Does she really believe what your avanage is?
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Speaker 2: You know?
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Speaker 6: At points sometimes she's told me no, she didn't know
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Speaker 6: because there was so many lies. But I'm like you,
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Speaker 6: how can you argue with the polygraph? How can you
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Speaker 6: argue with the things that were you know, laid out
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Speaker 6: there for us to believe.
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Speaker 2: And you know, I was confused about one thing. I
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Speaker 2: think I've got it figured out. The judge said that
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Speaker 2: his confession, his statement about what happened, cannot be used
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Speaker 2: for any other reason other than this proceeding, but she
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Speaker 2: cannot control whether that confession is used in Aruba for
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Speaker 2: a murder prosecution.
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Speaker 3: And Nancy, did you catch that? And Nancy, let's just
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Speaker 3: hope that.
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Speaker 9: That can okay relative to the charges in Aruba or
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Speaker 9: what we would hope that he would be charged with
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Speaker 9: down there. I'm hoping that this is going to exert
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Speaker 9: enough external pressure on him or internal pressure with him
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Speaker 9: that are with them in Aruba, that they would move
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Speaker 9: forward with charges, because this is obvious. He has made
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Speaker 9: the statement. We're going to find out more information, I think.
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Speaker 9: And if this is not an impetus for the Eruban
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Speaker 9: government to move forward, I don't know what is.
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Speaker 5: Nancy, there is no statute of limitation.
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Speaker 10: No, there's not. We're talking about a homicide here, so that's.
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Speaker 2: A technicality and legal technicality. And the judge addressed the
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Speaker 2: ford about whether this confession can be used for anything
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Speaker 2: else in the US. She that the judge is not
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Speaker 2: a jurisdiction of what Aruba does. So if they could
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Speaker 2: at their.
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Speaker 3: Mints on that confession just as we can.
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Speaker 5: Why not go forward.
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Speaker 3: I'm also curious.
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Speaker 2: About how now his body was disposed of at c
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Speaker 2: which is what we need happened. There are a lot
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Speaker 2: of scenarios that have been discussed, but it doesn't matter now.
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Speaker 8: What matters right now.
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Speaker 2: Is that just behind us, as.
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Speaker 11: Hugo Black at a courthouse, we saw Lord Vanishloud come
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Speaker 11: into court and Crawford were handed over a sworn statement
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Speaker 11: that he bludgeoned Natalie Holloway dead.
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Speaker 2: We gleaned from other facts that he did that after
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Speaker 2: she refused sex with him. I find it really hard
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Speaker 2: to believe that he did not rape her, but we'll
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Speaker 2: never know because we're never going to get her body back.
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Speaker 2: It was stated in court that her body quote will
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Speaker 2: never be found, which means it had to be disposed
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Speaker 2: of at sea. Those are the facts that jumped out
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Speaker 2: at me, and I would like to say that Ord
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Speaker 2: van der Slute it reminded me a little bit of
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Speaker 2: calt my Lori Valo actually brought forth the name of
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Speaker 2: our Holy Christ, that he quote.
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Speaker 3: Is a changed man.
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Speaker 2: And that he has quote found Jesus. And you know what,
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Speaker 2: I'm glad he has found Jesus, and I hope that's true.
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Speaker 2: I also hope he spends the rest of his natural
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Speaker 2: life behind bars. He can definitely be a Christian behind
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Speaker 2: bars and minister to others.
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Speaker 3: That's not going to happen.
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Speaker 8: That's one thing too, Nancy.
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Speaker 6: Did you notice when Bath addressed You're on that she
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Speaker 6: mentioned the four life skills or the four attributes to
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Speaker 6: the life that he had. And one was that he
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Speaker 6: was a killer. The other was that sex, the other
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Speaker 6: was food. Yeah, and then I think there was one more.
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Speaker 6: But anyway, that describes him perfectly.
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Speaker 3: And if it is a.
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Speaker 8: Deranged anis has sex and kills me, Well.
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Speaker 2: That's why I refer to him as an animal because
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Speaker 2: it's like this, and I've told me Ny Injury this.
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Speaker 2: When you're walking along in Central Park or Peedmont Park
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Speaker 2: in Atlanta and you see a little squirrel run across
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Speaker 2: in front of you, is your instinct to go grab
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Speaker 2: the squirrel and Terren's neck out with your teeth. No,
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Speaker 2: When you see an apple, is your instinct to pick
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Speaker 2: and eat it. Yes, his instinct is to kill. When
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Speaker 2: he sees a woman, his goal is to rape her
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Speaker 2: and if she doesn't go along, beat her. Now, that
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Speaker 2: scenario fits with what we know right now, and Joe
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Speaker 2: Scott Cheryl jump in on that scenario possible, plausible, probable.
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Speaker 9: You first, the fact that he can be triggered by
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Speaker 9: simply being told no or being resisted in any way
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Speaker 9: goes to this and use the term animal right, yes,
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Speaker 9: goes to almost this primal instinct, this thing. And again
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Speaker 9: this goes to the spoiled brat type of environment that
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Speaker 9: he grew up to.
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Speaker 3: Spoiled brat sounds like a three year old little bit.
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Speaker 9: No, he's okay, let me give you another term. He's
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Speaker 9: a feral animal. How's that? And he knows no boundaries.
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Speaker 9: Obviously he saw Natalie, I think, as an object, just
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Speaker 9: like he saw Stephanie as an object, and probably everybody
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Speaker 9: else that he shook down in those casinos, and lord
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Speaker 9: only knows who else who else got roofed by this
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Speaker 9: guy that never came forward, which again is something that
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Speaker 9: is very troubling because there's a there might be. For
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Speaker 9: all we know, there's a huge population of people out there.
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Speaker 9: That are hurting as a result of actions that he took,
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Speaker 9: and they've been too afraid to come forward. Maybe at
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Speaker 9: this point in time, maybe since they've seen this resolution,
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Speaker 9: some people might step forward and say, you know what,
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Speaker 9: this happened to me. This happened to me, and I
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Speaker 9: think he might be the person who had done it.
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Speaker 2: Go ahead, I know I can't stop here. No guys
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Speaker 2: in the courtroom, Caryl and I and d who was
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Speaker 2: also with us. We're all together in the courtroom, sitting
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Speaker 2: across the aisle from Beth and her family and Natalie's father,
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Speaker 2: mister Holloway was there as well.
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Speaker 3: He didn't speak.
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Speaker 2: He let Beth do the talking, and she did an
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Speaker 2: incredible job. For all the crime victims out in the
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Speaker 2: world listening right now, this woman has single handedly proven
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Speaker 2: you can overcome being a crime victim, and you can
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Speaker 2: stand up in court and you can face the attacker.
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Speaker 3: You can because she did.
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Speaker 2: And you know what, Cheryl, We've talked many times after
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Speaker 2: my fiancee Keith was murdered. I thought I knew it
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Speaker 2: all about grief until I had my children. And I
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Speaker 2: can tell you right now losing your child would be
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Speaker 2: the worst possible thing that could happen, and Beth, I
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Speaker 2: can't say she's overcome it because you never really get
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Speaker 2: over it. But I'm telling you in court today, she
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Speaker 2: was a tiger.
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Speaker 7: I remember sitting with her in two thousand and five
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Speaker 7: and she was just broken when we went to Aruba
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Speaker 7: with her. You know, the three of us are standing
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Speaker 7: with her when she took us back to that cross
20:17
Speaker 7: and when she told us, she fell to her knees
20:20
Speaker 7: and just screamed at God to give her baby back.
20:25
Speaker 8: Your heart just gets gutted for her.
20:28
Speaker 7: And then we saw her get a little more empowered
20:33
Speaker 7: as that trip went on, and she even told us
20:35
Speaker 7: Aruba does not own me anymore. The mama that I
20:39
Speaker 7: saw in there today, let me tell y'all something that
20:43
Speaker 7: was one of the most incredible transformations I have ever seen.
20:48
Speaker 7: She looked and spoke right to that devil and she
20:52
Speaker 7: meant it.
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Speaker 2: Hey when she just said, devil, I gotta tell you something.
20:55
Speaker 2: I wish you guys could have been in the courtroom today.
20:58
Speaker 2: We got here really early. That's a good thing too,
21:02
Speaker 2: because so many people were trying to get into the courtroom.
21:04
Speaker 2: There was an overflow room. But when I saw Jorn
21:09
Speaker 2: Vandersloot walk in and to me he looked like the
21:14
Speaker 2: devil in human clothing. I very rarely even talk about
21:19
Speaker 2: the devil. I don't want to conjure him up in
21:20
Speaker 2: front of me, but he looked like the devil. He
21:25
Speaker 2: has not held up very well in jail, not that
21:28
Speaker 2: I care, but to look at him and think about
21:32
Speaker 2: all the pain he has caused so many people. Natalie's
21:37
Speaker 2: brother was in court today, so many friends and relatives
21:42
Speaker 2: and well wishers. I mean, Ginger, you've been through h
21:46
Speaker 2: double l with Beth. When you saw him, what in
21:50
Speaker 2: the courtroom? What went through your mind and your heart?
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Speaker 6: It's just a sickening feeling. I just couldn't hardly stand
21:57
Speaker 6: to look at him. That it was was it was,
22:01
Speaker 6: And it's just I just thought my heart went out
22:03
Speaker 6: for her because if I I mean as a person,
22:07
Speaker 6: I would want to get my hands on him, you know,
22:08
Speaker 6: knowing that you can't do that, but can you?
22:11
Speaker 10: For me?
22:12
Speaker 6: It was just pure gut ranching, sickening.
22:15
Speaker 3: He looked like a.
22:16
Speaker 2: Human, of course, but he almost has the superhuman ability
22:22
Speaker 2: to cause pain every.
22:24
Speaker 3: Time he opens his mouth.
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Speaker 6: Yes, it causes pain, you know, Nancy, we were here
22:30
Speaker 6: Jane the ninth, I think I believe that was the
22:32
Speaker 6: correct date. And he looked a little bit better, but
22:38
Speaker 6: that's when he came from Peru to here, so they
22:40
Speaker 6: may have treated him a little better there then. But
22:44
Speaker 6: he looked, as Beth said, like hell, and he did.
22:49
Speaker 6: But at that time too, it was just a creepy,
22:52
Speaker 6: grungey feeling that he gave me my picked the just
22:56
Speaker 6: a pit in my stomach, just the same as today.
22:58
Speaker 3: How did Beth respond to see him the first time?
23:02
Speaker 5: It was tough.
23:03
Speaker 9: It was tough.
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Speaker 1: She you could tell it.
23:07
Speaker 6: She's trying to keep cool, but you could tell it
23:09
Speaker 6: was taking a toll on her.
23:11
Speaker 2: You know, many times in court, victims' families will take
23:15
Speaker 2: a lunge at the defendant. Yes, I've had a defendant
23:18
Speaker 2: take a lunge at me in the courtroom, armed.
23:21
Speaker 11: To the pen.
23:22
Speaker 3: If it hadn't been from.
23:22
Speaker 2: My investigator and my bodyguard, it would have made it
23:26
Speaker 2: to me because I wasn't really paying any attention to
23:28
Speaker 2: him at that moment. I felt the instinct to make
23:33
Speaker 2: a lunge for your vandersloot too. And now, oh and
23:38
Speaker 2: another thing, that courtroom was armed to the teeth.
23:43
Speaker 3: With bailiffs, sheriffs.
23:46
Speaker 2: They were armed. There were guards protecting the judge. There
23:50
Speaker 2: were guards right up on your vander slout in case
23:54
Speaker 2: he decided to make a run for it, which of
23:56
Speaker 2: course he wouldn't do from the Hugo Black building. He
23:58
Speaker 2: would wait for a moment where he's less guarded. But
24:01
Speaker 2: no one knew what to expect.
24:03
Speaker 1: And as you see at many sentences.
24:05
Speaker 2: Every door and exit was protected by the bailifs.
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Speaker 7: Cheryl, I was just saying, and the Marshall Service was there,
24:13
Speaker 7: the FBI was there. He wasn't going to send a
24:16
Speaker 7: chance if he made any move at all. But I'll
24:18
Speaker 7: tell you something else that stood out for me for
24:20
Speaker 7: best comments when she said you have a daughter.
24:24
Speaker 8: She's talking right to him.
24:25
Speaker 3: You have a daughter.
24:27
Speaker 7: What would you want to do to the person that
24:29
Speaker 7: killed her? And she said, I know what I want to.
24:32
Speaker 8: Do, kill him. I mean, that was a strong woman
24:35
Speaker 8: in there today.
24:36
Speaker 5: Nancy and we did talk.
24:37
Speaker 6: She and I talked about that yesterday, Cheryl, we talked
24:40
Speaker 6: about that about his daughter and how you know, how
24:43
Speaker 6: would he feel, how would he feel if someone got.
24:47
Speaker 2: To ask you, has Beth ever felt she had to
24:50
Speaker 2: go kill him?
24:50
Speaker 3: I know what I would say, yes, yes.
24:53
Speaker 2: Okay, because so many times I thought I should have
24:56
Speaker 2: just killed Keith's killer right then and there, and now
25:00
Speaker 2: that he's out audio track them down. But I look
25:02
Speaker 2: at the twins and I would never have them again.
25:05
Speaker 3: So it's it's tempting exactly.
25:08
Speaker 2: So how do you believe First to Joe Scott Morgan,
25:12
Speaker 2: professor of forensicks at Jacksonville State University, author of Blood
25:16
Speaker 2: Beneath My Feet still hadn't come out with the second
25:18
Speaker 2: book yet, that said I'll go ahead and let Kim
25:22
Speaker 2: your wife write your next book again, but also Star
25:27
Speaker 2: Body Bags and Cheryl star Zone seven, how do you
25:33
Speaker 2: believe the two of you that his story was corroborated?
25:36
Speaker 2: Because I got a really hard time just swallowing that
25:39
Speaker 2: with a silverspoon.
25:42
Speaker 9: Here's the thing, you know, it seems like there's this
25:45
Speaker 9: continuum where he, you know what they say that did,
25:48
Speaker 9: can't defend themselves. And he has on several occasions thrown
25:52
Speaker 9: his dad under the bus. You know that first the
25:55
Speaker 9: first thing where he implied that, you know, my father
25:58
Speaker 9: buried her. Remember he didn't say he did it. His
26:00
Speaker 9: dad took her and buried her beneath the house. Then
26:03
Speaker 9: he said his dad had facilitated getting a boat to
26:08
Speaker 9: take her out there, and that was alluded to at
26:11
Speaker 9: one point in tom So. I don't know, I don't
26:15
Speaker 9: know exactly how he was purposed. I think that Cheryl
26:20
Speaker 9: has an idea about these individuals that are still, you know,
26:24
Speaker 9: down in a room relative to him. Yeah, and you know,
26:28
Speaker 9: are they part of this? Did they facilitate a boat?
26:31
Speaker 9: Did they get her remains.
26:34
Speaker 3: When they left Carlos and Charlie's. They have to know
26:36
Speaker 3: what happened and.
26:37
Speaker 9: They have knowledge of it. Yeah, So I think that
26:39
Speaker 9: that goes to the deposition of her remains. Where did
26:42
Speaker 9: they place her at that particular time? Did they place
26:45
Speaker 9: her into a boat? Did they walk her out into
26:47
Speaker 9: the surf? And that's you know, that's something I don't
26:49
Speaker 9: know that we'll ever get specific answer.
26:51
Speaker 8: It absolutely should.
26:53
Speaker 7: It should be happening today because they got a confession
26:56
Speaker 7: in a court of law that was corroberated by the FBI.
27:01
Speaker 8: So for Aruba at this.
27:03
Speaker 7: Point not to take action should tell everybody if you
27:07
Speaker 7: go to Aruba, you are not safe. They're not gonna
27:11
Speaker 7: protect you. If something were to happen to you, They're
27:13
Speaker 7: gonna help cover it up. You made the best point
27:16
Speaker 7: when we were in Aruba. We were there fifteen minutes,
27:19
Speaker 7: and you said, in fifteen minutes you have been willing
27:23
Speaker 7: to arrest Beth Holloway, but in fifteen years you won't
27:26
Speaker 7: arrest your hand Van der Slude for Natalie Holloway's murder.
27:30
Speaker 7: I don't know what else people need to know about
27:33
Speaker 7: that island. So now that they've got this, they should
27:36
Speaker 7: absolutely move.
27:37
Speaker 1: Forward Prime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Guys, we're about to head over to the Civic Center
27:56
Speaker 2: where Beth Holloway is speaking. She spoke briefly here at
28:02
Speaker 2: the courthouse. As she came out, she was mobbed. Take
28:06
Speaker 2: a listen to what Beth said outside the courthouse today.
28:10
Speaker 4: I can tell you with certainty that after eighteen years
28:14
Speaker 4: Natalie's case, it's solved.
28:17
Speaker 5: As far as I'm concerned, it's over. It's over.
28:22
Speaker 4: Uron Vanderslolde is no longer the suspect in my daughter's murder.
28:26
Speaker 5: He is the killer. And in the course of his family.
28:30
Speaker 4: Prosecution here for extortion in wire fraud indictment, he gave
28:34
Speaker 4: a proffer in which he finally confessed that he killed Natalie.
28:39
Speaker 5: He described when and how he killed her.
28:41
Speaker 4: And he said that after killing her on the beach
28:43
Speaker 4: in Aruba, he put her into the water and that
28:46
Speaker 4: was the last that he ever saw her.
28:49
Speaker 5: That was all.
28:49
Speaker 4: Verified by a comprehensive and conductive, conclusive polygraph test. Even
28:56
Speaker 4: with this confession, though, he can't be tried here for
28:58
Speaker 4: Natalie's murder, But I'm satisfied knowing that he did it,
29:04
Speaker 4: he did it alone, and he disposed of her alone.
29:09
Speaker 5: I won't give you.
29:09
Speaker 4: The details of his brutal confession. Those will be forthcoming
29:13
Speaker 4: when the proffer is made public. You will also have details.
29:20
Speaker 5: At the plea agreement which was reached.
29:23
Speaker 4: His sentence of the extortion and the wire fraud will
29:26
Speaker 4: run concurrently with a sentence in Peru for killing Stephanie Flores.
29:31
Speaker 5: And that's fine with me. Thanks to a lot of
29:34
Speaker 5: very smart.
29:35
Speaker 4: And dedicated people here, I got the answer I've been
29:38
Speaker 4: searching for for the past eighteen years.
29:42
Speaker 5: Eron Vanderslot's confession.
29:43
Speaker 4: Means we have finally reached the end of our never
29:46
Speaker 4: ending nightmare. And for me, reaching the end of the
29:51
Speaker 4: nightmare being over is better than closure.
29:56
Speaker 5: It's been eighteen years since.
29:58
Speaker 4: Natalie disappe here Tontie would be thirty six years old today.
30:03
Speaker 5: I still miss her every day.
30:06
Speaker 4: It's been a very long and painful journey, but we
30:10
Speaker 4: finally got the answers we've been searching for for all
30:12
Speaker 4: these years. We finally today we got justice for Natalie.
30:18
Speaker 4: So thank you all so very much and being supportive
30:22
Speaker 4: of us in our long eighteen year journey.
30:26
Speaker 3: Thank you, and now take a listen to our friends
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Speaker 12: The most impactful moments of Beth Holloway's victim impact statement.
30:34
Speaker 12: Several times she stressed that Jurn is a killer and
30:39
Speaker 12: that he terminated BET's daughter's potential, her dreams and possibilities
30:44
Speaker 12: when he bludgeoned her to death. Now again, everything that
30:47
Speaker 12: he told law enforcement and the court was of course
30:50
Speaker 12: corroborated by a light detective test a polygraph test.
30:54
Speaker 13: For her to turn around and talk to your in
30:56
Speaker 13: Van der Sloot directly face to face. She reminded him
31:00
Speaker 13: that you're a killer and you will always be a
31:02
Speaker 13: killer and forced him to wonder how he would react
31:05
Speaker 13: if someone did to his daughter what he did to
31:08
Speaker 13: Natalie and Stephanie Flores five years later to the day,
31:13
Speaker 13: both for the same reasons.
31:15
Speaker 2: So My question is when the dust is settled and
31:19
Speaker 2: Beth goes back home, what will her life be like now?
31:24
Speaker 2: Because her last twenty years have been seeking justice and
31:30
Speaker 2: will Aruba act last? Will we ever find Natalie's remains.
31:38
Speaker 3: Let's start with you, Cheryl.
31:40
Speaker 7: We're not going to find Natalie's remains because they were
31:42
Speaker 7: in the ocean. You've got turtles, you've got sharks, you've
31:45
Speaker 7: got the water fish. It's done, and that's okay Beth.
31:50
Speaker 7: I think on some level she's known that. Now she
31:53
Speaker 7: can take that and prayerfully, find peace and move toward
31:57
Speaker 7: what she said today in her statement. She's got grandchildren,
32:01
Speaker 7: her son, She's going to focus on that.
32:03
Speaker 8: She's going to focus on her students.
32:05
Speaker 7: And I pray for her this piece because she wears
32:09
Speaker 7: that bracelet you know, hope, faith, in love.
32:12
Speaker 8: She's got all of that.
32:14
Speaker 7: And she said Natalie is for ever eighteen and I
32:17
Speaker 7: just hope that's what she's got for that.
32:19
Speaker 3: In the courtroom. I heard her say that in the courtroom.
32:22
Speaker 2: But I am telling you, when you have your child
32:26
Speaker 2: snatched away from you, you will never have peace.
32:29
Speaker 3: I'm just telling you, mouth.
32:31
Speaker 9: Thoughts, keep your eye on Vanderschletten this is what I think.
32:35
Speaker 9: I think that he loves being in the center, in
32:38
Speaker 9: the spotlight, wherever he wherever he winds up planted. It
32:43
Speaker 9: would not surprise me at all to see him continue
32:47
Speaker 9: to try to bait people, particularly those in Aruba perhaps
32:50
Speaker 9: and maybe people here, in order to get back into
32:53
Speaker 9: that spotlight. And this is what I do know. I
32:56
Speaker 9: don't believe anything that proceeds out of his mouth. So
33:00
Speaker 9: you have to have investigators like we've seen demonstrated here
33:04
Speaker 9: today Nancy, that can corroborate these things that he has
33:08
Speaker 9: put forth, and they've done a jam up job at
33:10
Speaker 9: this point. Let's see what the future holes relative to him,
33:12
Speaker 9: because he's cool in his heell somewhere, and he's desiring
33:15
Speaker 9: to get beyond this weight that's going to be placed
33:18
Speaker 9: on him in this environment.
33:20
Speaker 2: And to one of best's very dearest friends who went
33:24
Speaker 2: with Cheryl and myself to Aruba, wait where were you
33:28
Speaker 2: when I was getting arrested hiding in the car with Cheryl.
33:31
Speaker 3: I was running from the back trying to get there.
33:34
Speaker 2: Right I turned around, I can see as ruin and
33:36
Speaker 2: elbows from those two running and Beth and I were
33:39
Speaker 2: there getting handcuffs thrown on us. But that said, let
33:43
Speaker 2: bygones be by gones. I'm just thinking about Beth tonight
33:48
Speaker 2: when we all go home to our families and I
33:51
Speaker 2: go home to my little girl and my big boy
33:54
Speaker 2: and my husband. Beth is going home with the memory,
33:58
Speaker 2: just the memory of Natalie. And I can tell you
34:03
Speaker 2: we're going to be praying so hard for her tonight.
34:05
Speaker 2: And she bought a good face in the courtroom. She says, Natalie,
34:08
Speaker 2: as Cheryl just said, will be forever eighteen, forever beautiful,
34:13
Speaker 2: forever hopeful, forever full potential. But in the dark hours
34:17
Speaker 2: of the night, I wonder how she's going to get
34:19
Speaker 2: through that now that this part of her life, this
34:23
Speaker 2: quest is over for now, And that's.
34:26
Speaker 6: What I was going to say, Nancy, We're just going
34:28
Speaker 6: to continue to shower our love on her as a family,
34:31
Speaker 6: as a school family that we are. Beth has so
34:35
Speaker 6: many friends and so many people that care about her
34:39
Speaker 6: in our county and in our community and feel for her,
34:44
Speaker 6: and they want to love on her and shower her
34:46
Speaker 6: with love.
34:47
Speaker 5: And her students love her, Oh.
34:49
Speaker 6: My goodness, the students just absolutely love her. And I
34:52
Speaker 6: think that's one thing that's going to get her through
34:54
Speaker 6: these long days and.
34:55
Speaker 2: Not you know, another thing that I want to pass
34:58
Speaker 2: on to her is that there are a lot of
35:01
Speaker 2: mothers and a lot of fathers across our great country
35:05
Speaker 2: that are suffering because their child is missing or has
35:08
Speaker 2: been killed, and Beth really is an example for them
35:15
Speaker 2: that they can go on and that no matter.
35:18
Speaker 3: How long it takes, you can get justice.
35:22
Speaker 2: I know it's cold comfort sometimes that you can get
35:25
Speaker 2: justice for your child. So that's a big burden to
35:28
Speaker 2: put on her shoulders, but it's already on there.
35:31
Speaker 3: I didn't put it on her.
35:32
Speaker 8: It's on It's not for her. We wouldn't be here.
35:35
Speaker 2: It's not for her continued quest to find out what
35:39
Speaker 2: happened to Natalie, we would not have this day in court.
35:43
Speaker 3: So the prosecutors, the investigators.
35:45
Speaker 2: The polygraphers, they all did their part, but we would
35:47
Speaker 2: not be here without Natalie's mother, Beth. Take a listen
35:53
Speaker 2: to what Beth said outside the courthouse.
35:56
Speaker 5: It phil's victorious.
35:58
Speaker 4: I feel like you finally behave and to transition from
36:01
Speaker 4: the victim to the victor, and it begins to make
36:04
Speaker 4: the pain and suffering feel somewhat less intense because you
36:09
Speaker 4: are here, You are at this point, the pinnacle of
36:11
Speaker 4: the journey, and you've gotten justice and you've gotten the
36:13
Speaker 4: answers you've been so desperately seeking.
36:15
Speaker 5: So it felt victorious. I was able to tell you
36:18
Speaker 5: run that I think.
36:21
Speaker 4: In this long ending nightmare, he was able to express
36:26
Speaker 4: things to him that I had been wanting to tell
36:28
Speaker 4: him as far as you know, telling him who he.
36:31
Speaker 5: Is, and he is a killer. He is a killer.
36:35
Speaker 4: He will always be the killer. He will always be
36:38
Speaker 4: now the black mark in Aruba. He's now confessed to
36:41
Speaker 4: two murders. So that was good for me to be.
36:45
Speaker 5: Able to tell him that, Intershare. I don't really look.
36:49
Speaker 4: At it as saying goodbye to Natalie, because we wake
36:51
Speaker 4: up every morning and our and the hope that filled
36:54
Speaker 4: her her life and heart feels ours today. So I
36:57
Speaker 4: feel like we carry Natalie with us, been forward now.
37:00
Speaker 5: And that's good. That's a that's a very good feeling.
37:03
Speaker 2: Like I said, it feels victorious tonight. If you're listening
37:06
Speaker 2: right now, say prayer for her.
37:08
Speaker 3: And her family.
37:09
Speaker 4: Natalie was a very bright, very smart, dedicated young lady.
37:13
Speaker 5: She was on her way to college.
37:16
Speaker 4: She was headed to medical school after that, and I
37:18
Speaker 4: have no doubt she would have made it all the way.
37:21
Speaker 5: So we love her.
37:22
Speaker 4: We miss her very much, and we wake up every
37:25
Speaker 4: morning with thoughts of Natalie. But now we wake up
37:28
Speaker 4: knowing that we have we have reached justice for Natalie.
37:32
Speaker 5: She was surely the best sister I could have ever
37:34
Speaker 5: asked for.
37:35
Speaker 1: Absolutely Goodbye, Fa