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DETAILS EMERGE: Mom Debbie Collier Found Stripped, Dead, Charred After Bizarre Text · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A beautiful mom is found stripped, murdered,
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  Speaker 1: her body charred down a ravine. I'm talking, of course,
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  Speaker 1: about Deborah Debbie Collier, and still no arrest. I'm Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us
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  Speaker 1: here at Fox Nation in serious X one eleven. There
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  Speaker 1: may not be an arrest yet, but a lot has
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  Speaker 1: happened during the last seventy two hours. First of all,
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  Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen to our friends
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  Speaker 1: from Fox five. A trail of costume tape marks the
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  Speaker 1: path deep into the woods where Collier's unclothed body was
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  Speaker 1: ultimately found. Investigators believe whoever was responsible attempted to burn
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  Speaker 1: the body. Collier's red was also found nearby. I'm scared
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  Speaker 1: for my family, but fear in man. One person told
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  Speaker 1: me off camera he noticed the van for a few days,
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  Speaker 1: but didn't think anything of it because cars break down often. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: a lot to take in just right there. One of
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  Speaker 1: the things we were hearing is that the rental car
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  Speaker 1: of Debbie Collier was parked there for a couple of days.
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  Speaker 1: That can't be right. But how long had it been
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  Speaker 1: parked there? Because that's very important. That really narrows the timeline.
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  Speaker 1: We've got an all star panel, but first I want
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  Speaker 1: to go to Cody Alcorn, reporter eleven Alive w XIA
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  Speaker 1: on the case from the very beginning. Cody, did you
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  Speaker 1: hear Eric Perry talking about And that was Daniel Shelton
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  Speaker 1: who was talking to Fox five describing how he and
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  Speaker 1: others are afraid right now. He said he had noticed
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  Speaker 1: the car there for a while. How long, he says,
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  Speaker 1: a few days? But how long can we narrow it down? Pinpoint?
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  Speaker 1: When her rental, her SUV was part there on the
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  Speaker 1: side the road. Well, we know from the Haversham County's
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  Speaker 1: reports that they filed from that scene when her body
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  Speaker 1: was found on the eleventh. A deputy saw that vehicle
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  Speaker 1: at five pm on Saturday the ten. So that's the
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  Speaker 1: official that we also been hearing since that that eyewitnesses
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  Speaker 1: have been watching this case in bullets at late We
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  Speaker 1: saw that car there as early as three o'clock on Saturday.
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  Speaker 1: So the timeline I have been able to put together
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  Speaker 1: between three and five pm on Saturday. Okay, you know what,
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  Speaker 1: Let's go with three and the day she was reported missing,
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  Speaker 1: which would have been the ten with me, high profile
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  Speaker 1: criminal defense attorney out of the Atlanta jurisdiction. She is
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  Speaker 1: on Facebook at Renee dot Rockwell. Renee, thank you for
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  Speaker 1: being with us. You know where I'm going with this.
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  Speaker 1: I want to narrow that timeline because the husband is
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  Speaker 1: saying he saw her SUV part in the driveway that
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  Speaker 1: Saturday morning, September ten, at nine am. Go with me, Renee,
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  Speaker 1: because I'm looking at the timeline, and that would put
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  Speaker 1: the car at earliest there at three pm. It takes
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  Speaker 1: an hour to get there, which means at the latest
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  Speaker 1: the car would have had to leave her home at
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  Speaker 1: two pm. And there I've got a timeline between nine
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  Speaker 1: am and two pm. Well, it's important, especially for any
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  Speaker 1: potential suspects, because we're going to need a timeline on
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  Speaker 1: those people as well. Nancy. Yeah, I mean if you
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  Speaker 1: can get alibied, for instance, or like you're saying, cell phone,
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  Speaker 1: say I can get Walmart video on you, Renee Rockwell,
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  Speaker 1: at let's just say two pm, an hour away, then
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  Speaker 1: it's probably not you. Anybody that has a cell phone
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  Speaker 1: has usually has a GPS device and can be tracked
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  Speaker 1: exactly where they were, at least their phone work exactly
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  Speaker 1: the digital evidence in this case so important. You hear
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  Speaker 1: Eric Perry from Fox five talking about caution tape marking
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  Speaker 1: a path deep into the woods. To you, Cody Alcorn
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  Speaker 1: eleven Alive to Xia, I'm hearing a red purse. Is
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  Speaker 1: it a red purse or is it a red tote?
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  Speaker 1: So what it's listed as in the report is that
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  Speaker 1: they came up on that red tote first. Okay, wait
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  Speaker 1: a minute, are you actually trying to tell me tote purse?
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  Speaker 1: Did you just say that they said a tote bag?
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  Speaker 1: Is what they said? Okay, that's important. You know why
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  Speaker 1: that's important. Karen Stark, would you please explain to Cody
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  Speaker 1: Alcorn the difference between a tote bag and a purse.
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  Speaker 1: Purse will have personal belonging. Will you be able to
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  Speaker 1: tell from the purse is this her purse? And that
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  Speaker 1: makes a big difference. A totebad could have been left,
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  Speaker 1: but you ever tilt and then it would not head
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  Speaker 1: and you wouldn't be able to see anything that what
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  Speaker 1: would give you clue as to what might have happened? Exactly? Guys,
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  Speaker 1: Karen starting joining me. Renowned psychologists joining us out of
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  Speaker 1: Manhattan today. You can find her Karen Stark dot Com.
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  Speaker 1: That's Karen with the sea. Also with me Joseph Scott Morgan,
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  Speaker 1: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My
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  Speaker 1: Feet on Amazon, Starve or brand new hit series Body
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  Speaker 1: Backs with Joseph Scott Morgan. He is the host and
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  Speaker 1: you can find that on iHeart wherever you download your podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Joe Scott. Another thing that's imported. And I agree with
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  Speaker 1: what Karen start just said. And remember everybody, Renee Rockwell,
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  Speaker 1: Cody Alcorn, this ain't high tea at Windsor Castle. Jump
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  Speaker 1: in if you have a thought, now's the time. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So let's talk about a red purse versus a red coat. Okay, sorry,
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  Speaker 1: Joe Scott, she took me seriously, go ahead, Yes, you're right.
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  Speaker 1: Purse going somewhere, No red toat? Was she leaving? Did
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  Speaker 1: she decide to leave the house, the husband, the life,
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  Speaker 1: the drama. I believe shit pack more than a red toat.
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  Speaker 1: I think of a red toat. It's like, Jackie, one
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  Speaker 1: of those canvas bags you have maybe at the grocery store,
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  Speaker 1: that kind of toat, or could it have been like
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  Speaker 1: a duffel bag toat? Any idea Cody Alcorn because actually
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  Speaker 1: what Renee said could be important. What about it, Cody. No,
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  Speaker 1: they'd not released any of the warrants or any items
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  Speaker 1: they found on seen, only what they put in the report.
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  Speaker 1: And both of those officers, to Louis Fall's police and
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  Speaker 1: Haversham County debuty both described it as a quote red toatbag. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: back to you just got Morgan where I was going
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  Speaker 1: with this before we got Renee's idea. We've been told
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  Speaker 1: over and over that she Debbie Collier, left with nothing
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  Speaker 1: but her debit card and her driver's license. Wow, that's
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  Speaker 1: event for somebody that wants to get her for, for instance,
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  Speaker 1: take money out of ATM, all sorts of things. We've
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  Speaker 1: heard nothing about a purse. And I've been hypothesizing that
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  Speaker 1: the red toad may have carried the necessary items to
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  Speaker 1: start a fire, like I don't know, lighter, fluid matches, rope,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure the tarp fold it up. Maybe it
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  Speaker 1: was a new tarp in a package. What do you think?
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  Speaker 1: I think that that's quite possible. And kind of backing
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  Speaker 1: up a little bit, we've heard about all these items
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  Speaker 1: that they keep referring to relative to the toad, one
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  Speaker 1: of the things that maybe Cody can enlighten us about this.
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  Speaker 1: I still haven't heard anything about keys at this point.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe the keys are in the ignition, maybe the keys
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  Speaker 1: aren't there, but I want to know where the keys are.
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  Speaker 1: Wait a minute, Wait a minute, hold on, that's a
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  Speaker 1: really good thought. And I think I have something on that.
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  Speaker 1: Wasn't it a Chrysler PACIFICO Cody Alcorn, Yes, okay, I
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  Speaker 1: looked it up and researched it over the weekend. Chrysler
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  Speaker 1: pacificas don't have like you put in the key and
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  Speaker 1: turned the ignition. They have the touch button, so but
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  Speaker 1: the actual key has to be within X number of
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  Speaker 1: feet of the touch button when you start the vehicle.
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  Speaker 1: So that makes it less likely that they would find
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  Speaker 1: a key. And we've heard nothing about a key being found.
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  Speaker 1: A lot more happening in the last seventy two hours.
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  Speaker 1: Take a listen now to our friends at w XIA
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  Speaker 1: for report indicates investigators so our red tote bag near
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  Speaker 1: an uprooted tree in the woods off Georgia Highway fifteen.
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  Speaker 1: Along with what they believe were the remains of a fire.
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  Speaker 1: They also discovered a burnt and blue tarp and a
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  Speaker 1: naked woman's body. She was lying on her back and
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  Speaker 1: her abdomen appeared to be charred. That woman was later
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  Speaker 1: identified as Collier. On Sunday, a Serious X AND representative
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  Speaker 1: called Habersham County authorities about a vehicle belonging to a
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  Speaker 1: missing person, pining its location in Clarksville. Habersham Any deputies
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  Speaker 1: and canine started searching for the driver. They found a
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  Speaker 1: red tote bag and a partially burned blue tarp before
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  Speaker 1: finding the woman's body down in embankment and the last
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  Speaker 1: couple of hours, authorities have confirmed the victim is Deborah
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  Speaker 1: Collier from Athens. Anyone with information is asked to please
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  Speaker 1: contact police. What I want to get at and that information,
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  Speaker 1: Joscot Morgan is the pinging of the serious XM. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people don't know that you're serious. Can
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  Speaker 1: actually be used via satellite to find out where your
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  Speaker 1: vehicle is. Here's my question to you, Joe Scott Morgan.
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  Speaker 1: Can it also tell me where you've been? Like a phone?
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  Speaker 1: Can Can it tell me? Did she goes straight from
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  Speaker 1: her home to that location that she stopped somewhere in between?
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  Speaker 1: Of course I think she was dead at the gate
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  Speaker 1: going wrapped in that blue tarp. But what can serious
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  Speaker 1: XM information tracking information tell me? It's two different types
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  Speaker 1: of technology, Nancy. You know when you think about phones
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  Speaker 1: versus the serious XM radio with a serious XM, this
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  Speaker 1: is what's referred to as one way technology, and it's
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  Speaker 1: been controversial over the years. People are afraid that they're
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  Speaker 1: being tracked. Oh no, not those people like Renee Rockwell
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  Speaker 1: that thanks the government's actually listening in on our I
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  Speaker 1: won't use a SIRI or Alexa. Well, let's don't drag
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  Speaker 1: Renee into this. But the thought is is that when
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  Speaker 1: they knew they being serious XM, they knew that this
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  Speaker 1: vehicle was missing, and so they're gonna they're going to
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  Speaker 1: send a signal. Now, this is a satellite generated signal
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  Speaker 1: as opposed to phone you know, phone pings off of towers,
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  Speaker 1: which are terrestrial kind of thing that are based here.
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  Speaker 1: You have you know, the GPS, you know, which is
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  Speaker 1: satellite based technology. And they claim and when you read
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  Speaker 1: their literature, they say it's one way technology. In other words,
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  Speaker 1: you have a specific identifier on your radio and you've
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  Speaker 1: seen those code numbers on there, and it last it
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  Speaker 1: out to that location and somehow they were able to
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  Speaker 1: kind of reverse this and it's not something that they
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  Speaker 1: commonly use. They say that they don't commonly use it,
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  Speaker 1: but in this case they were able to find her.
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  Speaker 1: The trick is, can they actually kind of followed the breadcrumbs,
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  Speaker 1: you know, going out? You know, and I'm thinking about this.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we've talked about this before, the Gooch case
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  Speaker 1: out in Arizona and New Mexico with the young Mennonite
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  Speaker 1: woman who was killed out there by this air force
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  Speaker 1: a serviceman, and those two phones were tracked together. And
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  Speaker 1: that's another piece to this. You know, you have her phone,
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  Speaker 1: you have potentially a perpetrator's phone. Are they traveling in tan?
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  Speaker 1: I got a question for you, J Scott Morgan. Did
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  Speaker 1: you do that on purpose? Or did you just follow
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  Speaker 1: wherever your mind led you? Because my question was not
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  Speaker 1: about herself phone. My question was well serious, x M
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  Speaker 1: down to tell me just where the phone is at
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  Speaker 1: that moment or can we get a trail based on
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  Speaker 1: this one way technolog I think at that moment because
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  Speaker 1: the way this reads is that they said, hey, guys,
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  Speaker 1: we've we've located this vehicle that is, you know, that
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  Speaker 1: is equipped with this it's in this specific location. Got
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  Speaker 1: it time stories with Nancy Grace. Okay, guys, as I'm
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  Speaker 1: trying to get in all the information, I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: get off what we already know and tell you something
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  Speaker 1: brand new. Take a listen to our friends at crime
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  Speaker 1: online dot com. Debbie Callier's daughter Amanda Bearden, has had
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  Speaker 1: a number of brushes with the law, including fighting with
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  Speaker 1: her boyfriends, faking a drug test, and filing a false
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  Speaker 1: police report. The thirty six year old Bearden once claimed
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  Speaker 1: her boyfriend Andrew Tyler Geigrig had broken into her home
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  Speaker 1: screamed at her an attactor. The police report noted Bearden
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  Speaker 1: had bruises on her shoulders and arms. However, they also
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  Speaker 1: determined the couple was really living together and arrested Bearden
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  Speaker 1: for making a false report of a robbery. Guygridge was
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  Speaker 1: also arrested and hit with various charges, including battery. Documents
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  Speaker 1: associated with the case noted Guygridge and Bearden have a
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  Speaker 1: family violence relationship. WHOA, Okay, that's certainly putting perfume on
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  Speaker 1: the pig. What does that mean to you? Renee Rockwell,
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  Speaker 1: and you're the one and I've quoted this many many
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  Speaker 1: times you'll remember the case, very rich, high profile husband.
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  Speaker 1: You represented the wife. This is when I was still
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  Speaker 1: in the DA's office and they're getting a divorce, and
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  Speaker 1: I remember this like it was yesterday. It was at night,
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  Speaker 1: and you and I left the courthouse late and we
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  Speaker 1: went to the bonding company. Why I can't remember. We
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  Speaker 1: were at some bonding company and you're in the middle
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  Speaker 1: of this divorce and calls were coming in, and you said,
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  Speaker 1: I'd rather try a homicide or a drug lord than
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  Speaker 1: try this divorce case, because this guy is gonna come
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  Speaker 1: by and take a shot at me one night as
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  Speaker 1: I'm walking across the den. You know that picture window,
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  Speaker 1: that window used to have in the front of your house.
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  Speaker 1: I'll never forget that. And it's true. So when you
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  Speaker 1: stick your hand in the middle of a domestic violence case,
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  Speaker 1: you might as well be sticking your hand in between
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  Speaker 1: two slathering willers. So when you hear the words family violence, relationship,
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  Speaker 1: what does that tell you, Renee Rockwell, don't tell me
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  Speaker 1: too much about me a night you would have killed
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  Speaker 1: her mother, Nancy. That's not what I asked you. Number
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  Speaker 1: one that was completely unresponsive. It tells me they've got
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  Speaker 1: a Rocky relationship and police have been called out a lot.
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  Speaker 1: That's what it tells me. Those two yes, that does
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  Speaker 1: not a murder, make you stole that from me? But okay,
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  Speaker 1: speaking that event, we're learning a lot about the daughter
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  Speaker 1: and her boyfriend. They mixed martial arts specialist. Take a
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  Speaker 1: list of our cut twenty six. This is police body
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  Speaker 1: camp footage. I have it recently. But she's still been
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  Speaker 1: taking money from my card and that's the only reason
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  Speaker 1: we've had any contact, because every week she takes five
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  Speaker 1: or six hundred dollars from my check and I just
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  Speaker 1: don't see how that's right. And she goes, she goes
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  Speaker 1: and does dope with my money, like I hell, now,
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  Speaker 1: I've made it over charity forty thousand dollars this year
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  Speaker 1: and I'm completely rogue because she spent it all on drugs.
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  Speaker 1: And why is she there? There's clothes in the house
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  Speaker 1: Setter's mind. If some can you tell me what happened
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  Speaker 1: when you came over here this morning? Her clothes and
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  Speaker 1: she said I needed to leave. I mean, I've just
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  Speaker 1: gotten here. I've done anything wrong. Now we goes ben Burg,
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  Speaker 1: Okay to Cody Alcorn. What I'm gathering is the mma
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  Speaker 1: boyfriend mixed martial arts boyfriend is trying to get into
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  Speaker 1: the home to get that he shares with Debbie Colleger's
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  Speaker 1: daughter to get clothing out, and police show up, and
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  Speaker 1: he tells cops this is from the police body cams,
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  Speaker 1: sound and footage. He tells cops his words, not mine,
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  Speaker 1: that she takes five or six hundred dollars from every
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  Speaker 1: from his check and he's broke even though he makes
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  Speaker 1: good money, because she takes it and spends it on drugs. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's what he's a kissing her of. And they stayed
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  Speaker 1: together this whole time, so it's not like they were
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  Speaker 1: split up forever they had these fights. They stayed together.
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  Speaker 1: Another interesting part about this if they were living in
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  Speaker 1: Maryland and they just moved back to Athens two days
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  Speaker 1: before Debbie Callyer vanished. Repeat, So they lived, they lived
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  Speaker 1: in Maryland, and what they have told us is they
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  Speaker 1: moved back to Athens two days prior to Debbie Callyer vanishing.
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  Speaker 1: Who tells you that he did. He has said that
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  Speaker 1: he's told numerous people that their phones have also been
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  Speaker 1: taken away. Wait a minute, what let me let let's
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  Speaker 1: sink in the daughter who her live in is accusing
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  Speaker 1: her of stealing his money to buy debt. Again, we're
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  Speaker 1: not making that allegation he did. They just moved back
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  Speaker 1: two days before. The mom is murder Yes, okay, take
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  Speaker 1: a listen to more of that body can footage our
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  Speaker 1: cut twenty seven? Can I just leave if she's not
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  Speaker 1: going to give you my phone? I really haven't. I
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  Speaker 1: mean I was trying to figure out what's going on eating.
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  Speaker 1: Might somebody go this early? As seen it? So I'm saying,
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  Speaker 1: I mean all ride Sustin sol In the use she said,
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  Speaker 1: didn't read the door, go for the path. I've got
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  Speaker 1: Tom the door coop targ. I haven't done anything that
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  Speaker 1: they're saying. I mean they've already made false charges against me.
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  Speaker 1: Before they all were talking through the door at each other.
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  Speaker 1: There was anymore. But I mean, if if she wants
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  Speaker 1: to be a lead, I'll leave. I didn't know, all
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  Speaker 1: right man? Instead and I just go just stand by
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  Speaker 1: with me so he can talk to her. What's your name? Andrew? Andrew?
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  Speaker 1: And okay, so MAT's h Cody Alcorn. I'm hearing this
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  Speaker 1: body cam footage where he is trying to get into
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  Speaker 1: the home to get money out when did this to
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  Speaker 1: get his clothing out. When did this happen? That was
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  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one. Where were they living then? They
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  Speaker 1: had to be living in Athens because that's from Athens,
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  Speaker 1: Clark Lead, you're right. So then, as I'm understanding, they
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  Speaker 1: moved to Maryland and then they come back right before
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  Speaker 1: she's killed. Is that correct? That's according to him. Yes, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: take a listen one more time, Jackie. It's our cut
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  Speaker 1: twenty eight the body Camp footage. Sound. I just want
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  Speaker 1: to be done with Harby. Have y'all she's been cheating
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  Speaker 1: on he's been doing drugs. I've never done any drugs
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  Speaker 1: in my life. Have y'all had police involved before in
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  Speaker 1: y'all's business? Yeah, And that's why I'm trying to get
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  Speaker 1: my money back because we're not supposed to have contact.
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  Speaker 1: But she's taken five hundred dollars each check. Why aren't
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  Speaker 1: y'all supposed to have contact Andrew? Because does there like
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  Speaker 1: a court order? I guess so. I don't know why
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't accord a while back. But did you get arrested?
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  Speaker 1: I've been arrested before the last time I got arrested
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  Speaker 1: to it because they falsified whatever I mean her mom? Dude,
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know what the issue is here. I don't
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: know why I'm so unliked. This girl got hit by
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: a car, and I've taken care the problem. Okay, I
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: can tell you this much to Renee Rockwell, criminal defense attorney.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: When you were asked a direct question, when was the
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: last time you were arrested? And you can't get a
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: straight answer, that signals a problem to me. Okay. So
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: he might be all jumping around and dodging questions, Nancy,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: but this is what I want to know. It tells
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: me that she's taking money from him in some form
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: or fashion. That's the allegation that would be the daughter.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: My question is, was mom's phone blocked? Does daughter have
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: the combination to mom's phone? Did the daughter send the
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: money to herself? Yeah, I've been asking that from the
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: get go, Cody Alcorn. I want to know where was
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Deborah Debbie Collier's phone when she sent that twenty three
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: eighty five two three hundred eighty five dollars VENMO to
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: her daughter just before for she's killed? Was that in
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: her home? Was that at the location where her body
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: was found? And how quickly can we figure that out
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: to Scott Morgan based on pinging of mom's phone, because
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: I think you'd have to have your phone to send
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: a venmo unless you could send a venmo from your
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: mom's account, from somebody else's phone. I think you can
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: do that. Yeah, I think that you could too. I
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: think that you could pinpoint it pretty closely. And here's
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: one other piece of this, Nancy. You know, I'm always
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: going to go back to the deceased the condition of
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: the body relative to post mortem interval? How long had
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: she actually been down? And was that measured at the scene?
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: You mean the body temperature, Well, not just that, but
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: riger mortis and post mortem leavidity and everything else we
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: look for, even from an entomological standpoint. Okay, when you
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: say that, you mean, have bugs such as maggot Scott
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: onto her body, and if so, at what stage of
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: development they are, if the baby insects have been laid
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: that what you're saying, Yeah, exactly, And so that's something
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: that's measurable. And so you take those two tomlines and
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: you try to marry them up. Now guaranteed, I mean,
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: you know, with postmortal interval you can't you can't fine
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: tune it to the point where you're going to get
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: it down to the middlesecond. But then you enter in
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: this digital evidence that we're talking about. I think this
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: could be kind of powerful stuff. Nancy, guys again back
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: on the daughter. Is it just a mishmash of domestic warfare,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: the two of them battling each other over money? Take
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: a listen hour cut twenty three from Crime Online. In
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: twenty twelve, Amanda Bearden was arrested for arguing with her boyfriend.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: She was charged with misdemean her battery, simple battery, disorderly conduct,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: and criminal trespass. Her boyfriend told cops he had to
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: hold her back as she broke his video game. Obviously,
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: there's noticed marks on the man's chest and back and
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: handprints on both arms. Beard And pleaded guilty and got
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: twelve months of probation in order to take anger management courses.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: She broke probation in twenty thirteen when she attempted to
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: provide a fraudulent sample to a drug test lab and
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: was sentenced to thirty days in local jail. Okay, all right,
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: so now we've got violence and alleged violence and faking
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: a drug test got thirty days in the local jail.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: But remember this is all the way back in two
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: thousand and twelve and two thirteen. It's not leading up
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: to the death of her mother. Let's move forward to
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: the death of her mother. Take a listen to our
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: cut one. This is Dave Mack from Crime Online. On Saturday,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: September tenth, at three seventeen pm, Amanda beard And got
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: an unexpected surprise from her mother, Debbie Callier. Without any warning,
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Debbie used Benmo and digitally transferred two thousand, three hundred
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: and eighty five dollars to her daughter, Amanda. Amanda wasn't
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: expecting any money from her mother, and it wasn't some
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: things she normally did, but it was the text message
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: that accompanied the money. They shocked and frightened Amanda. In
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: the text with the money, Debbie call your rote they
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: are not going to let me go love you. Amanda
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: Bearden was so shocked when her mother used Venmo to
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: send nearly twenty four hundred dollars with the cryptic text
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: message that said, they are not going to let me
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: go love you. There's a key to the house in
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: the blue flower pond. By the door, Amanda immediately called
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: her mother's cell phone and went to voicemail. She tried
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: it again and again with the same result. Reaching out
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: to Debbie's husband of nine years, Steve, he said he
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: hadn't seen Debbie since he went to bed the night before.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Frustrated and scared, Amanda and Steve reported Debbie missing around
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: six pm. Less than three hours have passed since the
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: cryptic message straight out to eleven Alives Cody Alcorn. Is
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: it true that the daughter, Amanda Bearden showed up at
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: the scene where her cops found her mom's body. Yeah,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: she was one of the She was the first person
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: outside of law enforcement to show up. In fact, they
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: held the scene for a while, even after she showed up,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: to even go in the woods to find this body.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: And all that it says is that Athens Clark alerted
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: her that her mom's car peemed in the area from
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: the radio. A lot of people question, how did she
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: know to go to exactly that logging road off of
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: fifteen near to Louis Falls, That's one thing. Did they
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: give her the address? It doesn't say, but in the
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: reported so, they gave her an idea that her mom's
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: Pacifica had peemed in that area, so she was the
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: first one there. Question about that if they told her
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: the area, A lot of questions have been asked of us.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: How did she know to go to that location? But
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: you're telling me that cops had told her the general
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: location and then she showed up. Correct, Yes, Athens Cark
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: police gave her that information. So that really clears that up.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: When you were hearing it, does it go ahead? Clear
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: up anything, Nancy? Go ahead? Where did she leave from?
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: It clears up the question of did she know on
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: her own, independently where her mother's body was. Alcorn is
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: telling me the cops told her the general area, and
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: she went that way and saw all the cops, So
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: that clears that up. Let's get the general area and
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: you and I will go tonight and see if we
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: can figure out where everything is. Nancy, this is what
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: I want to know. Where was she at three ten
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: when the money was sent? Why would she wait several
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: hours after a cryptic message like that, which sounds scary
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: to me to call the police and say, wait a minute,
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: something's going on here. What were their movements? Cody Alcorn
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: joining us from eleven Alive after the daughter gets the
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: message about they're not gonna let me go the keys
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: in the flower pot love you. What did she following
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: that message? Re seat? That was a three PM on Saturday,
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: and according to her, to this report, she made some
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: phone calls, she went out looking, but even she and
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: police said the mom's phone was going straight to voicemail.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: We know that for a fact, and it says at
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: around six her dad called and made this missing person's report.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: And back to your question about the phone that's never
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: been found according to us, there is nothing in the
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: Pacifica when they searched, according to the report, and police
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: in the report say they try to ping her phone
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: all night unsuccessfully. So someone is hidden or destroyed the phone.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: What does that tell you just got morgan it. Even
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: though you don't have the phone, you can still triangulate
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: its movements leading up to the discovery of her body. Yeah,
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: I can. And you know you're bouncing off these points.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: You know you mentioned triangulation relative to these towers where
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: they're going to be able to pinpoint it, because if
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: that's the last known location, you never know, you might
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: find a remnant of a phone that they actually destroyed
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: it in that location. If they searched that particular area,
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: and it shows you this kind of progression. You know,
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: how did they wind up in that spot? It's very curious.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: I think at least you combine that information with Venmo
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: and one thing. I'll shut my mouth, but this idea
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: that the daughter is saying that she is she was
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: surprised to get a VENMO from her mother. I'd like
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: to know, well, did she have a Venmo account prior
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: to this, and if she did not, when was Venmo
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: Because this is something that has to be downloaded directly
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: to the phone. When was it downloaded to the phone
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: and had she ever used it before? And the amount
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: is very curious to me too, Nancy. You know specific.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: So when you start to look at the forensic accounting,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: here is this all of the money that she had
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: in her account that she had access to or was
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: it a specific number that can be married up? Would
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: say money that was owed to somebody that is in
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: that exact amount. I gave you a great example, Scott.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: In the John be A Ramsey case, a specific amount
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: was demanded by the kidnappers one hundred and eighteen thousand dollars,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: as I recall, and that was the same amount that
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: John Ramsey had just gotten for his work bonus, so
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: those two numbers were married up. And regarding Venmo, a
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: Venmo account can only be associated with one phone number.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: You can have two vemos, but one is typically personal
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: and one is business. So it had to be coming
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: from her phone, is the way I understand Vimo unless
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: somebody could log in in some way. Actually I think
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: they can, So that's not going to really help me.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. What more do we know? Guys?
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen to our friends
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: at crime Online. Family last heard from Debbie Call You're
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: at three seventeen pm Saturday, September tenth. Less than three
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: hours later, Debbie's husband Steve, and daughter Amanda report Debbie missing.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: Steve tells police he last saw Debbie the night before
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: when he went to bed. Police are skeptical until they
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: hear that Steve and Debbie sleep in separate rooms due
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: to Steve snoring. Steve says Debbie's rented Chrysler SUV was
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: in the driveway when he left for work that morning.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: Amanda tells police Debbie left the house with nothing except
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: her driver's license and debit card. Left with nothing except
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: driver's license and credit card. Okay, straight out to Karen
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: start joining us. Pronounce psychologists joining us from Manhattan today,
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Karen start leaving the home with nothing but your driver's
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: license and your credit card? So unlikely, it's unlikely, Nancy,
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: think about it. Who leaves without their telephone without some
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: things you do, enrest. It was some kind of a
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: crisis and she wasn't thinking right the thing. Also, you
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: mentioned Brian Laundry and how he kept texting. Yeah, the
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: family and text this venmo and the text is so bizarre,
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: especially since the daughter said that she never received anything
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: like that from her mother, never had gotten a venmo before.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: You're right, you and Joe Scott are really hitting on something.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: I don't think there's a coincidence in criminal law. This
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: is the only time she has ever gotten a VENMO
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: from her mom, and it's a strange venomo. Yeah, it
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: is strange. Yeah, there's more. There is a chilling threat
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: issued before Debbie Collier is found dead. Take a listen
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: to our friend Dave Mack, the boyfriend of murdered Georgia mom.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: Debbie Callier's daughter allegedly threatened violence against her entire family
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: last year in a chilling note, and was arrested just
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: last month for violating parole. Andrew Guigrich, a former amateur
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: MMA fighter, scrawled a handwritten message that said quote, if
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: you or your family ever come near me again, I
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: will hurt them. The note was included in police evidence
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: photos after a domestic dispute in May of twenty twenty
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: one between Bearden and Guigridge. At the time, the couple
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: was living in a home owned by Amanda's stepfather, Debbie's
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: husband Steve Caller, Okay, what do we know about that
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: Jodi Alcorn joining us from eleventh alife. Yeah, all we
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: would have been told from those reports and what we've
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: read again, they've been together this whole time, and again
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: Andrew and them were together. Now they're in Athens together
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: now they have their phones confiscated by police, but they're
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: still together here today on this Monday, they're still together.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: Nancy jump in. It's very strange again that in him
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: saying to the police, I don't know why she doesn't
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: like me talking about the mother, and then he has
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: this threat against the whole family, and then they just
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: moved back to the area and he's been arrested. It's
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: just I can't you know. Obviously, I'm not going to
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: say that he is, but I would think that he's
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: very suspicious. Everybody's a suspect. I was just about to say,
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: no one is a suspect. No one has been named
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: a person of interest, no one has been named a suspect.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: And there is a difference their phone what they took
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: their phones and they searched the house, right, Yes, Yes,
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: isn't that right, Jody Alcorn. Yes. The colonel told us
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: that last week that they have searched multiple homes tied
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: directly to people closest to Debbie Corrier, so I know
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: her house has the daughter's house has been searched, and
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: the boyfriend told multiple agents or multiple news outlets that
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: they're to been taken by law enforcement. Okay to you,
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: Jessica Morgan. What's being done with their phones right now?
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: There's an incredible phone dump that's going on right now.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: What that means is that the authorities are taking all
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: phones associated with this crime and they are bleeding out
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: every bit of information that they can, all the location data,
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: all of the texts that we're going back and forth.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: Because if you've got these two individuals that are so
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: intimately linked to her, they're going to want to know
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: what kind of communications have gone on between the boyfriend
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: and the daughter. And let's don't forget about the father
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: as well, because he's our her husband brother, he's you know,
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: he's part of that little intimate circle that you and
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: I have talked about for years relative to you know,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: people that are in your circle that can potentially do
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: harm to you. And of course they're strangers out there
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: as well, but they're dumping every bit of this data
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: and they are going through it with a fine tooth comb. Now,
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: the daughter, Amanda Barden, is not husbands by a daughter, correct, Cody, Correct. Okay, guys,
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: take a listen one more time to our friend Dave
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: Matt from crime online dot Com. In the day's leading
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: up to Debbie Collier's murder, Amanda Bearden and Andrew Guigrich
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: were banked together as a couple living in the house
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: owned by Debbie's husband, Steve Collier. Guygridch told a reporter
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: that the police had confiscated his and Bearden's phones, saying,
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: the police have interrogated all of us, the people who
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: are closest to Callier are kind of looked at as
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: suspects right now. Meanwhile, Debbie and Steve Collier's house is
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: located on a very quiet street. A neighbor said they
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: heard a commotion on the night before she died, although
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: it's unclear who was involved. Police have not named any
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: suspects or a motive in the case, and we also
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: have these sheriffs coming out in stating point blank kidnapping
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: is out of the question. Take a listen to our
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: friends at Fox five. Fox five freestyle to the FBI
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: who sent this statement saying, quote, FBI Atlanta is aware
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: of the case. At this time, the matter is being
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: investigated by local authorities. The GBI, I had this to say,
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: quote the GBI Medical Examiner's office is conducting the autopsy,
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: but those results will be handed to Habersham County as
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: we are not involved in the investigation at this time.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: There is no evidence to suggest or support that this
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: incident was related to a kidnapping or that this was
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: a suicide. You are hearing Chief Murray speaking, and now
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: that was from Fox five, but it's also coming from
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: CBS forty six. Listen. Abersham County investigators say there is
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: no evidence to support fifty nine year old Debbie Collier
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: was taken against her will or that she took her
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: own live Most troubling was the demo transfer Amanditone investigator
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: she received around three seventeen pm Saturday. The twenty three
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: hundred and eighty five dollars payment included a note that said, quote,
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: They're not going to let me go love you. The
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: Sheriff's office says it's executed several warrants at locations connected
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: to Debbi. Investigators have also interviewed those closest tour. They
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: have yet to rule out anyone. No one has been
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: named a person of interest or a spect quickly. We're
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: nae if your mother sent you that money and a
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: text like that, would it take you three hours to
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: call the police? Probably not, because my mother lives with me,
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: But if you drove to her home and then I
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: drove to where she worked. Because if I can't find
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: one of the twins, which basically never happens, but a
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: few times I couldn't put my eyes directly on them,
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: I searched the house and searched the backyard, in the
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: front yard first, and then I figured out that's why
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: I have life three sixty because they're surgically attached to
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: their cell phones. Can I talk about something surgically attached quickly? Yes?
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: If this body was dumped, somebody walked into that ravine,
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: and somebody walked out, and somebody got a ride home.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: So where did everybody shoo? I want to see everybody shoo. Yeah,
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: the bottoms of the shoes for any matching soil. But
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: also somebody had to either walk away from that crime
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: saying or get a ride because the car was still there.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: Right now, Investigators begging for public help take a listen
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: to Eric Perry. Investigators say they need the public's help
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: and piecing together clues so who could be responsible? The
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: Abstown County sheriff Solves Criminal Investigations Division has executed several
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: search warrants at locations directly tied to the victim and
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: have conducted preliminary interviews of those closest to the victim.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: How and why the body of Debbie Collier ended up
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: in a remote wooded area over fifty miles away from
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: our home remains a mystery. Cody Alcorn, what are police
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: and sheriff doing right now? I know they're waiting on forensics,
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: but I also know they have been interviewing people closest
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: to Debbie Collier, and that's what the Colonel told me
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: last week, is they have a lot more interviews to
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: do and follow up as well. He wouldn't tell me
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: who all has been interviewed. But I have a feeling
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: with this public knowledge now of these reports, I think
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: it's putting pressure on these individuals and trying to catch
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: them in a lie. Tipline everyone seven oh six, eight three,
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: nine oh five five nine, goodbye friend,