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Euphegenia Doubtfire Is A Trans Icon · Like a Virgin

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  Speaker 1: Did missus Delfhire tuck? No, because she was wearing those
• 0:06
  Speaker 1: long skirts, but she was also wearing pantyhose. I if
• 0:10
  Speaker 1: Robin Williams character is assists man, I don't think he would.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think he would talk No. I I think
• 0:15
  Speaker 1: I think she tucked for the experience to feel fish,
• 0:19
  Speaker 1: to feel fish, you wanted to feel the soft and
• 0:21
  Speaker 1: Quint Welcome to Like a Virgin the show where we
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  Speaker 1: give yesterday's pop culture today's tanks. I'm Rose, damn you.
• 0:35
  Speaker 1: I am Francrondo, and I love that you gave that
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  Speaker 1: a What did you do to die? To die today?
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  Speaker 1: At a minute or two until two? You really think
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  Speaker 1: distinctly hard to say, but hard or still to do?
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  Speaker 1: The um? Did you ever have to what other like
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  Speaker 1: kind of did you have to do? Buddy gum money
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  Speaker 1: and cut to cut? Oh? I had to do all
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  Speaker 1: of them, you know, a girl? Oh, I know. I
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  Speaker 1: literally went to acting school and to do all of them.
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  Speaker 1: Speak red leather, yellow leather, red leather, yellow leather, red leather,
• 1:02
  Speaker 1: yellow leather. Speaking of acting school, I did ditch my
• 1:06
  Speaker 1: last class. Good good. I feel like after after your
• 1:12
  Speaker 1: venting session on air last week, I think that was
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  Speaker 1: the right choice to make. Well, I don't think anybody
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  Speaker 1: in the class like well knows who I am or
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  Speaker 1: like what that I have that I'm talking. No, I
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  Speaker 1: meant the right choice for you. Oh, thank you, thank
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  Speaker 1: you because you because you m had so many um uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, negative things to say about it, like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I really did, and I should I should also say
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  Speaker 1: that I just for the record that I did not ditch,
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  Speaker 1: so to speak. It is it was like my last
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  Speaker 1: full day in la or was and was supposed to be.
• 1:48
  Speaker 1: You were supposed to be in New York today, but
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  Speaker 1: you're not. I texted you bright and early this morning.
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  Speaker 1: I texted you Taylor Swift's masterpiece Welcome to New York,
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  Speaker 1: which I thought was really nice and welcoming of me. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and you were still in Los Angeles. No. I really
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  Speaker 1: appreciated the message, even though I do kind of think
• 2:06
  Speaker 1: that's the worst song on nineteen eighty nine, and let's
• 2:10
  Speaker 1: not I don't want to start a fight or the show. Well,
• 2:13
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's bad. I just think it's you know,
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  Speaker 1: my least face. No, no no, no, move on. Oh my god.
• 2:19
  Speaker 1: Um well, I had let me tell you I saw
• 2:21
  Speaker 1: Phoebe on Sunday. It was quite lovely. We we missed you.
• 2:24
  Speaker 1: We wished you were at my moving sale. Oh I
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  Speaker 1: thought you guys were just hooked up. Yeah, we Um.
• 2:29
  Speaker 1: Phoebe came to pick up a night a night stand,
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  Speaker 1: some some dishware after hustling me on prices. Is that right, Phoebe?
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  Speaker 1: We really had some negotiation happening. So um, how generally
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  Speaker 1: was the sale? Did you get rid of lots of stuff? Rose?
• 2:48
  Speaker 1: I actually don't think I was prepared for what actually happened.
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  Speaker 1: I sent out an email the night before that was like,
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  Speaker 1: do not come before noon if I hear a buzz
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  Speaker 1: before noon? Like, no, I didn't like, I will not respond.
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  Speaker 1: Twelve oh one, I get a buzz, I go down
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  Speaker 1: to like let this person in. There is a line
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  Speaker 1: of more than twenty people. LA's Hottest Club is easily
• 3:18
  Speaker 1: easily two dozen people waiting outside my apartment. I was
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  Speaker 1: so gooped, like and I honestly, here's the thing. Did
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  Speaker 1: you take any of nonloads that day? I did? I did?
• 3:30
  Speaker 1: I take seventy five loads? The guy that took seventy
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  Speaker 1: five loads literally lives a few blocks away from that apartment.
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  Speaker 1: He was probably at the sale. He was probably what wait,
• 3:39
  Speaker 1: did you wait? Phoebe just told us that she hooked
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  Speaker 1: up with someone in the bathroom a friends moving sale.
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  Speaker 1: What Phoebe, Phoebe, Phoebe, are you making an appearance on
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  Speaker 1: the show? I need? Actually, do you want to share?
• 3:51
  Speaker 1: Can you? You're like, I can't. Well, the well, the
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  Speaker 1: versions will just have to you know, well, this will
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  Speaker 1: remain cloaked in mystery. Okay, this will remain cloaked in mystery. Um,
• 4:02
  Speaker 1: all you need to know is that, um, you know Rose,
• 4:05
  Speaker 1: you and I we had We've had a lot of
• 4:07
  Speaker 1: trials and tribulations with Los Angeles flight culture. It's really
• 4:10
  Speaker 1: difficult to get people to show up for things on time,
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  Speaker 1: let alone show up to things at all. And now
• 4:15
  Speaker 1: I figured out that if I ever want any of
• 4:18
  Speaker 1: my friends, loved one's, colleagues, followers to show up to something,
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  Speaker 1: all I have to do is tell them that I'm
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  Speaker 1: having in a state sale and they will show up
• 4:25
  Speaker 1: on time because they think you're dead. And I have
• 4:27
  Speaker 1: to pay respects to your your your exquisite corpse. And
• 4:31
  Speaker 1: you know, I use the word I use the term
• 4:33
  Speaker 1: of state sale like as a joke. And I don't
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  Speaker 1: quite know if everyone there thought it was a joke. Um,
• 4:38
  Speaker 1: but I did sell really nice stuff. So you're a
• 4:41
  Speaker 1: state sale because I finally killed you, Yes, because you
• 4:44
  Speaker 1: finally killed me. But um, anyways, what did you do
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  Speaker 1: this weekend? Rose? Um? I had um sex, lot of sex.
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  Speaker 1: I am in such I know we talked about that.
• 5:00
  Speaker 1: I was like trying to jump start a slut era. Honey,
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  Speaker 1: it has been started. It has been the parties as
• 5:07
  Speaker 1: in the immortal words of Pink. Um, what is the
• 5:10
  Speaker 1: actually what is the pink song that I'm referencing? U.
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  Speaker 1: Let let's get this party started. Yeah, I get this
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  Speaker 1: fatties dat it Um? Yeah, I am a whore. I'm
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  Speaker 1: I am in. I am in a whore era. Um.
• 5:31
  Speaker 1: You know, this weekend I had some sex. I went
• 5:35
  Speaker 1: to a screening of the classic animated film Anastasia um
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  Speaker 1: with a friend of the show and and friend Hunter
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  Speaker 1: Harris at Nighthawk, which was, Um, it was like a
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  Speaker 1: BuzzFeed comments section in a movie theater. Was there was there,
• 5:54
  Speaker 1: you know, a talk back afterward about about the Russian
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  Speaker 1: dynasty and no nobody Scott this guy did introduce the
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  Speaker 1: movie and he felt it necessary to tell us that
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  Speaker 1: he was gay, and it was like, Babe, we knew, honey,
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  Speaker 1: you're introducing Anastasia, you're a homosexual. I also ran into
• 6:13
  Speaker 1: a Rosebud while I was out furniture shopping. That was
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  Speaker 1: very nice. I love my fans. There were many Rosebuds
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  Speaker 1: furniture shopping at my at my sale this this weekend.
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  Speaker 1: Who I forgot They wanted to all send their love
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  Speaker 1: to you. A lot of people saying a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people at the sales saying say hi to Rose, say
• 6:29
  Speaker 1: hi to Rose, Um, why is a Rose here? A
• 6:32
  Speaker 1: lot of people that didn't know that you're not in
• 6:34
  Speaker 1: La anymore. A lot of realized that is. Some people
• 6:39
  Speaker 1: don't don't seem to be don't seem to have caught
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  Speaker 1: onto the fact that I switched coasts. No, No, A
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  Speaker 1: lot of people, you know, still kind of figuring it out.
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  Speaker 1: And that's how you like it. You like to keep
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  Speaker 1: people on your toes about your exact location at any time.
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  Speaker 1: And I want an air of mystery around me at
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  Speaker 1: literally all times. And myself take I take a lot
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  Speaker 1: of pride in and actually I'm very profitable in um
• 7:04
  Speaker 1: making sure that no one knows where I live at
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  Speaker 1: any time, nor what I do for a living. Um,
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  Speaker 1: and I think that that is just something that listen
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  Speaker 1: that just because you don't do anything for a living,
• 7:14
  Speaker 1: because I don't, because I don't do anything of us
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  Speaker 1: and I don't have jobs, I don't do anything, and
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  Speaker 1: I don't live anywhere, and that is just what should
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  Speaker 1: be said. Well that's all about to change, mama, it is. Um.
• 7:27
  Speaker 1: You know what else I did this weekend? So on
• 7:29
  Speaker 1: on Friday night, after watching drag Race, some friends and
• 7:33
  Speaker 1: I decided to start rewatching and just like that, which
• 7:37
  Speaker 1: I have not watched so since it was first airing,
• 7:39
  Speaker 1: so what the fuck? And then then I just and
• 7:44
  Speaker 1: then um, one of them had to leave because they're
• 7:46
  Speaker 1: like family. Cat died and so I just so I
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  Speaker 1: just kept watching and just like that, and then watched
• 7:53
  Speaker 1: it the next day too, and watched the whole season
• 7:56
  Speaker 1: in like two days. And it it really is as
• 8:01
  Speaker 1: insane as we remember it being. It's like, it's not
• 8:06
  Speaker 1: that it's bad, like this is the thing. It's not,
• 8:10
  Speaker 1: it's not, but it just the things that we remember
• 8:14
  Speaker 1: about it, like the the chadas of it all, the
• 8:17
  Speaker 1: like extreme wokeness, that all is as bad as you
• 8:22
  Speaker 1: remember it because it's such an overcorrection like that is
• 8:29
  Speaker 1: that directly comes from all the criticisms that were always
• 8:33
  Speaker 1: you know, leveled at Sex in the City that it
• 8:34
  Speaker 1: didn't reflect the real New York City because it wasn't diverse,
• 8:38
  Speaker 1: and you know the ways it treated you know, queer
• 8:41
  Speaker 1: people and people of color, and it just like it
• 8:45
  Speaker 1: just corrected those things in the wrong way instead of
• 8:49
  Speaker 1: actually folding queer people and people of color organically into
• 8:56
  Speaker 1: the story, it like made Chaday. Yeah. But you know,
• 9:02
  Speaker 1: and like every person on the show is like a
• 9:05
  Speaker 1: non binary diva, I mean kind of. Yeah. I feel
• 9:11
  Speaker 1: like Miranda's going to transition at some point. I think
• 9:13
  Speaker 1: it's happening. Well, did you see that tweet that was
• 9:16
  Speaker 1: going around of the photo that someone had taken in
• 9:19
  Speaker 1: LA and it said Chay and Miranda are fighting on
• 9:22
  Speaker 1: my street. Oh no, yeah, so I do think that Chay. Well,
• 9:29
  Speaker 1: this is what I'm hoping and what I'm thinking, Okay,
• 9:32
  Speaker 1: is that you know, Miranda will go to La with Chay.
• 9:35
  Speaker 1: That's how the second season will start. But I think
• 9:37
  Speaker 1: they'll break up with it'll break up pretty yeah, And
• 9:40
  Speaker 1: because Miranda has to come back to New York and
• 9:42
  Speaker 1: I think they'll want to get rid of Chay. I
• 9:44
  Speaker 1: think so that he's more of a looming presence as
• 9:47
  Speaker 1: opposed to an every day did I say he You
• 9:51
  Speaker 1: did well, well, Fran just miss gendered Chay Diaz. Oh
• 9:59
  Speaker 1: my god, I'm sorry. I'm just sorry the jokes. I
• 10:03
  Speaker 1: couldn't have written it better myself. I'm honestly disoriented. I
• 10:07
  Speaker 1: the non binary trans podcaster misgendered the non binary trans podcast.
• 10:13
  Speaker 1: I honestly okay, maybe I will tell the virgins. Maybe
• 10:16
  Speaker 1: maybe I'm just kind of still in a certain headspace
• 10:18
  Speaker 1: after seeing radios out at Comment Everybody a few weeks ago,
• 10:22
  Speaker 1: where where they were giving heat, maybe they were giving
• 10:24
  Speaker 1: he him in the kind of leather snapback they were
• 10:27
  Speaker 1: they were wearing, and it just it stuck with me.
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  Speaker 1: But I that I appreciate you holding me accountable in
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  Speaker 1: that moment. I always be. I WI shouldn't be perceiving
• 10:35
  Speaker 1: gender at any time, at any point um in any way,
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  Speaker 1: thank you. Should we not shall not be perceiving gender,
• 10:43
  Speaker 1: No never. We shouldn't be assuming gender, but we should
• 10:47
  Speaker 1: be perceiving it. No no, no, gender should never be perceived.
• 10:49
  Speaker 1: We should just actually see everyone as like just faceless,
• 10:53
  Speaker 1: gooey like orbs, just these floating balls of light. You're
• 10:57
  Speaker 1: really reminding me of what I was doing this weekend,
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  Speaker 1: that floating balls of light onni Okay, okay, here's I
• 11:04
  Speaker 1: have a bone to pick with men. Okay, Why why
• 11:09
  Speaker 1: do you jerk off when we're going to hook up?
• 11:11
  Speaker 1: Why do you jerk off before I get there? Do? People?
• 11:17
  Speaker 1: I realized that I'm being yeah, and I realized that
• 11:20
  Speaker 1: I'm being hypocritical because I said recently, oh yeah, I
• 11:24
  Speaker 1: like to jerk off for I have a hookup. But
• 11:27
  Speaker 1: I know, I know myself, and I know that for me,
• 11:32
  Speaker 1: that's a warm up. And then I have at least
• 11:33
  Speaker 1: two more nuts left in me. And these fuckers I
• 11:38
  Speaker 1: show up and they're fucking soft. And it's like, it's
• 11:41
  Speaker 1: one thing if you like can't get hard and you're
• 11:45
  Speaker 1: just like it's whatever, Like it's fine, don't worry about it.
• 11:48
  Speaker 1: But like, if you can't get hard and you want
• 11:50
  Speaker 1: me to suck your dick pretending like it's hard in
• 11:53
  Speaker 1: an effort to get you hard, No, no, no, no no
• 11:55
  Speaker 1: no no, this is not improv class baser. Yes I'm
• 12:01
  Speaker 1: saying I'm saying no, but I'm saying no, but um
• 12:05
  Speaker 1: no and no but you're soft, No but you're soft. Yeah,
• 12:10
  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't really want to to solve the
• 12:12
  Speaker 1: Swedish puzzle box, that is, how do I get you
• 12:15
  Speaker 1: hard again? Um, Sometimes, especially with guys these days or
• 12:19
  Speaker 1: people with dicks who are just you know, we're they're
• 12:22
  Speaker 1: onto antidepressants, on adderall on estradile, on all of the
• 12:27
  Speaker 1: things of the above, all of the all of the
• 12:29
  Speaker 1: some of us for some of us, all of the above,
• 12:32
  Speaker 1: alex some some divas, yeah, some divas among us. I
• 12:37
  Speaker 1: have multiple Bonard deterrence in our system and therefore, you know,
• 12:40
  Speaker 1: can't get it up. But like, if I have to
• 12:42
  Speaker 1: figure that out, it's like that is that is a
• 12:45
  Speaker 1: I really care about you. I'm going to figure if
• 12:46
  Speaker 1: I'm going to figure that out for you. And if
• 12:48
  Speaker 1: I don't, then you don't have to be hard and
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: and that's okay, Well we'll find It's like, I'm fine
• 12:54
  Speaker 1: if you're not hard. I don't feel any sort of
• 12:56
  Speaker 1: way about it. If you're still down to clown. You know,
• 12:59
  Speaker 1: if I know them like I feel like I do,
• 13:02
  Speaker 1: if I already kind of know what their thing is like,
• 13:04
  Speaker 1: if I know you love nipples or if I know
• 13:06
  Speaker 1: you love x y Z. It is kind of fun
• 13:09
  Speaker 1: sometimes to be like, Okay, let's get your engines revved, sweetie. Um,
• 13:13
  Speaker 1: but I uh yeah, no, it's it's it requires a
• 13:17
  Speaker 1: lot of a lot of patients, time consideration, and uh
• 13:21
  Speaker 1: that's just those are things that you and I that
• 13:23
  Speaker 1: girls have. Yeah, I don't have the spoons. Don't have
• 13:28
  Speaker 1: to care about to care about your flaccid penis, especially
• 13:33
  Speaker 1: not when I I just feel like I give so much.
• 13:37
  Speaker 1: I'm always hard. I am. It's just never been a
• 13:43
  Speaker 1: problem for me. I like, don't I don't get it.
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: And I just feel similarly like, um, I can't get
• 13:50
  Speaker 1: I'm hard right now, I'm hard right And I on
• 13:54
  Speaker 1: the flip side, um can't really get hard for the
• 13:56
  Speaker 1: boner deterrence aforementioned. And so you know, you just you
• 13:59
  Speaker 1: just pop up viagara, much like Samantha in season two
• 14:03
  Speaker 1: of is that season two of Sex in the City. Yeah,
• 14:05
  Speaker 1: I watched it the other night because after I finished
• 14:06
  Speaker 1: and just like that, what did I do? I started
• 14:08
  Speaker 1: watching Sex in the City. I'm Samantha getting addicted to
• 14:11
  Speaker 1: VIAGRAA is actually one of the funniest things that's ever
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: happened on Sex in the City, her singing operatically as
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: the guy Fox her Yeah, comedy go. She did that
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: a couple of times. She sort of had an operatic
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: crescendo more than one. She's kind of giving some and
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: she's also kind of you being Hello, Hello, don't are
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: you there? God? It's me Missus Doubtfire? Hello? Hello? Why?
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: Why that? Why that is? Why is it so funny?
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: Because it is? Because it is? Um Okay, So, Missus
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: Doubtfire is a trans icon. That's where we're starting. That's
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: where we're starting. Definitive statement, fully supported by every person
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: on this podcast by on iHeartRadio Incorporated llc UM critics,
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: all podcasts were aware. Yes, yes, Missus Doubtfire is a
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: trans icon. Yes, before Disclosure, there was Missus before Doubtfire
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: featured in Disclosure. Yeah it is. It is because let's
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  Speaker 1: in a negative way, right, yeah, so is this ship
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: is we versions? We are so excited to do that.
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: As we've said before, Missus Doubtfire was a primordial episode
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: of this podcast, a pre eminent practice episode that rosen
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: I did. Um So rosen I were not virgins to
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: this movie. Obviously it is. It is as Monocultures and
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: one of the formative films of my childhood. It's also
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: the reason i'm trans It's the reason it's the reason
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: I'm trans. No. When I went, when I went to
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: callen Lord fateful day in February, I said, give me
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: the Missus Doubtfire special stat when I when I go
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: to Spain for my ffs, I'm showing them a photo
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: of Missus Doubtfire. Um of m Euphagenia doubtfire if Agenia. Yeah. Um, okay,
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: so wait I we're jumping up going back. So um
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: missus Doutfire obviously was mentioned in disclosure in a negative way.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, it does belong to this era of just
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: to like level set with visions. It does belong to
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: this era of movies where men dressing up as women.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: Whether it was like um, Big Mama's House. Yeah, quote
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: quote unquote Big Mama's House, Um tutsie, which I've actually
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: never seen. Um, Like these movies were in like men
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: dressing up as women are like hiding out as women. Um.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: And that's like the gag was like, you know, the
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: peak of comedy and it was still is still still is.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: Oh I don't care, And this is if this is
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: the episode that finally guts us canceled, you know, be
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: it so, be it so for anyone who is a
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: virgin to missus doubtfire. It is in nineteen ninety three
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: UM comedy starring Robin Williams, who is daddy, Let's be clear.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: And also in this film is Mommy is mother mother?
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: So um so it starts Robin Williams, also Sally Field
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: icon brasnin Harvey Fierstein like this cast is stacked. It
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: was directed by UM Chris Columbus, who also directed the
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: home alone films the first two Harry Potter movies jk Rowling,
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: jk Rowling, UM Connection, It's all It's it's all connected.
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  Speaker 1: This this was the film that radicalized jk Rowling as
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: as a rad film. I was gonna say that's that's
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: Actually the only thing that connects us to to jk
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: Rowling is that we this is both our favorite films. Yeah,
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: for very different reasons, for very different reasons. Yeah, but
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: there's some overlaps. So the movie. The movie is about UM,
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: a man named, quote unquote, man named Daniel Hillard who
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: um you know. He He and his wife Sally Field
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: UM have three kids. And their marriages and trouble and
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: he's a voice actor, like I think, like the opening
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: of the film is so iconic where he's doing, um,
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: the the animation dubbing and um, you know, sally Field
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: decides to divorce him and he is, you know, not
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  Speaker 1: not going to be allowed to see his kids, and
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: so as a way to get to spend time with them,
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  Speaker 1: m he finds out that sally Field is looking for
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  Speaker 1: a nanny and he creates, with the help of his
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: brother Harvey Fierstein, this character of missus Doubtfire, who's this
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: older English like the perfect like quintessential older English lady
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: who you know, comes in and cares for the children
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: and sort of like, um, changes everyone everyone's lives for
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: the better, but it's actually their dad. In drag bootleg
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: transsexual Mary Poppins is kind of like what is happening
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: a little bit? Yes, um and um, you know this
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: film was a huge, a huge success. It grossed four
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: hundred and forty one point three million dollars on a
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: twenty five million dollar budget. Um, I did not know that. Yes,
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: as Phoebe just said, the best drag show in the world,
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: the most successful drag show in history, RuPaul wishes, and
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: it really is a film that has I think stood
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: the test of time. It was made into a physical
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: that I don't think was super successful. It's one of
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: my favorite nineties movies. It I think at the time
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: like spoke to me as a child, like I of
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: course I could make jokes about you know, like the
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: cross drive site and transniss of it all. But I
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: think the thing that I really um liked about it
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: as a kid was thought it was a story about
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: a family going through a divorce, and I'm a child
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: of divorce, oh and so, and I think like particularly that,
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: particularly this time in the nineties, there was a I
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: don't I don't know a lot of people from that
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: time my life whose parents didn't get divorced. And so
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: I think maybe like this was the right moment for
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: this movie in the culture. And something else that I
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: think should be noted and part of why I think
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: the reason Missus Doutfire stands the test of time. But
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: despite being quote unquote problematic in some ways, is that
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: Robin Williams is there's no one who can do what
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: he does what he did and does in this movie
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: so expertly and perfectly like he has an unpredictability and
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: so many of the things that he says on screen
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: are completely improvised. M And I don't know. Yeah, I
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: just I'm sorry Phoebe Phoebe, Phoebe just dropping in the
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: chat that she had that that I wanted Sally Field
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: and Missus Doutfire to hook up, which like, listen, we
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: can find you that fan fiction or that fan art.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Sure it exists to back up rows. When you do
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: you remember like first seeing this movie, Yeah, I'm pretty
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: sure I saw it in theaters. Okay, do you remember, like,
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: even if it wasn't that viewing, do you remember just
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: how the movie made you feel as a kid, because
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: I feel like I can kind of pinpoint it. Yeah,
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: I um loved. I have a very you know, vivid
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: memories of especially that opening scene where he's in the
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: recording booth, and I think like this was one of
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: the first times that Robin Williams became, um, you know,
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: a figure in my childhood, like through this film. Um,
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: I think mostly like my experience of it were impressions
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: like Missus Doubtfire with the cake on her face, and um,
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: Pierce Brosnan getting out of the pool was like an
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: early like erotic memory of mine and um, you know,
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Sally Field kind kind of being like the shrill like
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: working mom was very I mean, um, not not I
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: wouldn't want to say true to my own life experience,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: but like it was certainly familiar. Um, and yeah, I
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: just thought like this was there. I do think there
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: was like kind of a golden age of like family
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: comedies around this time, because they think later those morphed
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: into in the later nineties, those morphed into rom coms.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: And this was really like fun for the whole family
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: and it was like specifically a family story and there
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: wasn't really any romance in it. And that's something kind
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: of amazing about it, as like a cultural object. Is
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: that me some a kid who was like so so
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: sheltered somehow this was like slipped through the c This
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: is something that all parents, so many different backgrounds still
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: wanted to watch even though it's about like a cross stresser,
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: and um, you know, in terms of like my earliest memories,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: I do I watched it with my family. Like, my
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: family loved this movie. There was nothing kind of like
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: weird or problematic about it. But I remember the moment
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: where Robin Williams goes over to Harvey Harvey Fierstein's house, right,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: and he's a fagot and they're putting him in drag
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: and I remember being like, what the fuck is happening?
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: Like what's going on? Like it like seminal like gender
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: things in me were terrified. I was like, this is
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: so scary and I've never seen this before. That scene
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: definitely wasn't awakening, and I think for me what it
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: was was, I it was my first experience of, even
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: though I didn't recognize that at a time, seeing other
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: queer people having a shared language and wanting to understand
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: the things that they were referencing, Like when she looked
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: kind of like Barbara and they started singing make a Match,
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: I was like, wait what. I want to know what
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: that's from, Like I want to know where these inside
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: jokes are coming from. And that, I think is like
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: an experience that all queer people have in common. And
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: one of the things that you know, like unifies us
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: as a community is like our taste and the pieces
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: of culture that we pick out for ourselves. Um and
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: I think that scenes specifically, like even though rub Williams
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: in this movie is not queer allegedly, although I think
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: an argument could be made, and maybe we'll try to
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: make that argument episode. The graduate thesis is that we
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: could pull up right now that people would have probably written,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: but that to me felt like you know, some gay's
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: key keying hmm, And it was, and it was also
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: very satisfying. Makeup Vermontage as well. Oh, the most satisfying. Yeah,
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: it's like that, and Pretty Woman. I think we're like
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: the like pro too early nineties movie makeo Vermontages. Yeah,
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Princess Diaries was early ots right, because that was also
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: very satisfying makeo Vermontage. So when we rewatched it, the
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: things that we were latching onto are we're trans, We're
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: trans you know what I mean? This is you know there.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: I think there are a few readings of this film,
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: Like there is like the very literal reading of what
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: it is. There's also a very drag reading of this film.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: And there's also a ter reading. There's a turf reading
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: of this film. And I do think there's a trans
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: reading of this film because because um, you know, there
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: is there is a way you could look at this
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: film and say, like this person is um, you know,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: experiencing gender euphoria by inhabiting this you know, female presentation
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: that at the end of the movie, Like, I think
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: the interesting thing about this movie is that it doesn't
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: end with Missus Doubtfire being cast off. She still exists
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: through the end of the film, and like it almost
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: is like, you know, Daniel has emerged with Missus Doubtfire.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: And I do think like in a sequel film is
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: maybe like he is, she is living full time as
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: a Jenia Doubtfire. Oh yes, oh yes, I mean she's
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: if she's a star as if a Jenia, then she's
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: a star. Okay, let's keep it there. Um, Like I think,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: I think, I think, Um, Missus Doubtfire is like the
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: pro to like trans show girl, like starts off doing
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: drag and then and then transitions. Yeah, and had to
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: do it in secret, right, Like when she was doing drag,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: no one knew she was doing drag and drag and
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: and a lot of you know drag drag art firms
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: at the time. It's like you had to be incognito,
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: you had to cause play as a woman, like you
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: had to be a quote unquote cross dresser. And let's say,
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: the order to be viable by culture and let's say
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: this Missus Doubtfire, unclockable, unclockable. Not a single person clock
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: Turte never, never, single person in this clock Turte. If
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: only I could, if only I could be as unclockable,
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: if only I could pass as hard as Missus Doubtfire
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Halloween costume. This year, maybe I will be Missus dolfire, considering,
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: considering that you're like previous best Halloween costume is also
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: that of an old woman old rose? Is that the
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: secret to being is that the secret to passing like
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: to be elderly? Elderly? Yeah, it's because like there is
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: something about age that's like a little it's like so
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: gendered while also being like a little post gender. That
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: maybe is the sweet spot of unclockability. Yeah, I mean yeah.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: Look when Alexis Stone puts on that Missus Doubtfire drive
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: for the fucking Valenciaga show Unclockable, no one would ever
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: look twice at her. Okay, um yeah, I oh god,
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: I she is. I really do. I would never want
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: a reboot of this movie, but I would no, no, no,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: no never, no. I don't want them to touch it.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: It would be so bad it would make woke. Yes,
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: they would try to make a chance they would try
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: to make a woke And also this just this movie
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: can't really exist without Robin Williams. It's just there's no
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: one that can do a version of it. There's no
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: one who can take what Robin did and do something
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: different like it just it can't be done. But like
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: I do, I do think the fashion is great, and
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: that's something that's like kind of funny about Alexis Stone
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: as Missus Doubtfire. Now it's like the old lady like
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: floral print thing is in like Granny is in. Yes,
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: let's be clear, Missus Doubtfire was serving kunt. She's serving
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: you cut she's giving cunt to cut um. Is this
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: your favorite Robin Williams performance? No, just because Aladdin was
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: a very formative object in like my childhood between me
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: and my mom when I was like like five six,
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: like my earliest one of my earliest cultural memories is
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: watching Aladdin. And I love that you latched onto the
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: first scene when he's doing all these voices, because all
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: the voices that Robin Williams does in that scene are
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: one probably a lot of them are improvised. But two, actually,
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure I remember watching something about Robin Williams
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: and learning that many of those voices are actually improvised.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: But in Aladdin as well, a lot of those lines
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: are improvised, and they like did the animation around it.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: And I just think that what Robin does as a
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: voice actor specifically, which is again showcased, if not kind
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: of um, it's like a kind of cipher for Robin
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: Williams as a character in a little bit in a
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: few ways as a very talented voice actor that like,
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: his ability to vacillate between so many different personalities is
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: like fucking cool, Like it's and when you watch him
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: do it on the mic, you're like, how is he
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: doing that? And I think that that was encapsulated in Aladdin?
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: What about you? Is that I'm assuming this is your face?
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: It is missus Daalfhier, although I will say I'll Thoria
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: Curveball and say that a close second for me is
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: one of his rare dramatic roles. Have you ever seen
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: What Dreams May Come? No? What is that? Okay? What
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: Dreams May Come is this movie that was on HBO
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: like all the time when I was a kid, or
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: like maybe Showtime or Cinemax, And it's a film in
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: which Robin Williams dies and goes to Heaven and his
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: like Guardian angel Is I think played by Cuba Gooding Jr.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: But then his wife, who's still alive, kills herself and
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: goes to Hell, and so he leaves Heaven and goes
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: to Hell to say of her. And it's it's a
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: very like, really visually stunning movie. And it wasn't probably
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: a flop, but I really appreciate it. You know, I've
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: never seen Dead Poets Society. Oh, you wouldn't like it
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: that much, but I don't. It's like a it's like
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: a slow It's just it's a slow, sad movie about
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: like masculinity and pedagogy and like mentorship. Oh pass, Yeah,
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: gorgeously written, like really, earnest Um doesn't really it's a
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: it's a doesn't really have a lot of laughs. A
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: lot it doesn't have. It doesn't have the Robin Williams
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: kind of characterizations. It has the Robin Williams who had depth,
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: the Robin Williams who you know was sitting with so
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: much darkness that we never really knew about as well. Yeah,
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: I did. Used to watch Mork and Mindy a lot
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: when it was on that's the gay one. It's well,
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: I mean kind of he's an alien, so like, oh right,
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: you know, maybe he's kind of gay. Adams has played
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: gay before, and something were going, do you think Robin
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Williams is hot? Because I do. I think he's so sexy.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: The only time I thought that Robin was hot was
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: when I was seeing some of a lot of these
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: kind of whenever we see like occasional tributes to Robin
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: Williams or like no one did it like Robin Williams,
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: Like I love this air where everyone's like yeah, like
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Robin Williams was out here wearing like JPG and like yes,
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: like great fashion, like gender bending like on on these
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: kind of step and repeats and red carpet moments looking
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: fine like but also having a point of view in
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: men's style that no one else had. He was very daddy.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: He was he was uncle. He was so uncle. He
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: oh wait, that is so on the nose rose like.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: He was not giving daddy, he was giving uncle. He
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: was so uncle for that. He was Unkey's uncle Ronnie's
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: New Horror. He's the uncle in Uncle Ronnie's New hor
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: Real real virgin will get that reference. Um. He like
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: he's so he's so hairy and like he's a little
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: short and like the glasses. Um, I think he's kind
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: of sexy in Jumanji. Jumanji is another great Robin Williams movie. Same, yeah,
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: I loved Jumanji growing up. Do you think Missus Doubtfire
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: is a dike? Yeah, absolutely, like the honey she plays
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: soccer like she is a soccer diema. Okay. Oh Phoebe
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: also said he was kind of gay and flubber, which
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: is totally true. Another movie. I was allowed to watch
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: almost any Robin Williams movie growing up, and I did
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: watch that movie. Um yeah, wait, you know what part
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: I love and Missus Doubtfire is when Missus Doubtfire is
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: like kind of getting drunk and the guy starts hitting
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: on her and her her leg hair is showing, and
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: the guy's like like, fine with me, Fine with me,
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: I'm into it. Hey, I like that you're like that,
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: And I think I think Missus Delfire was like, I
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: think it's very much like um person who transitions and
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: like has historically been straight or like only into women,
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: and then you know, through experimenting with gender they start
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: to find that there, you know, sexuality is a bit
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: more fluid. Yeah exactly. I mean that wasn't the conversation,
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: but like that's the conversation we're having right now. Um,
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: I'm dread obviously, Like so I feel like rose between
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: you and I and the history of this podcast, the
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: moment where we were like, oh, this is the funniest
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: movie on the planet is obviously when Missus Delfire plunges
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: her face into a cream pie. I do think it
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: was coconut cream pie key lime, Yeah, coconut key lime.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: A moment it was it was it was actually a
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: Sunday riley or lemon merangue pie. Maybe it's probably lemon
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: merangue yeah, um yeah, yeah exactly. And I don't know what,
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: but something happened between you and I, Rose, something happened
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: that like singed us together like that. That's when that's
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: when she says hello, can we do another? One? One, two, three? Hello?
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: And and it was just like it was, Um, nothing
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: has ever been funnier, nothing in the film has ever
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: been funnier than Missus Doltfire saying hello, Yes, it's ineffable,
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: it's in effigenia, it's it is it is like really
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: like it was just fucking it was just funny, and
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: and I think that, honestly, part of the reason that
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: Rose and I are being like a little trolley is
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: because there is something absurdly funny about like a man
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: dressing up as a woman and like being the hero
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: of the story by way of like tricking, tricking, if
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: not like usurping non consensually, his like friends family loved
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: ones um in a way that like turfs, hey, you know,
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: in the way that turfs like demonize and in ways
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: that in this part of culture were monocultural. It's also
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: very like Shakespearean almost, It's like a little like Moliere,
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: like French farce. Oh yeah, a comedy of errors, you know,
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: like yeah, yeah, yeah, and the drag of it all,
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: the scene at the restaurant where he has to keep
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: where she has to keep, she has to keep, you know,
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: getting in and out of her guiche the whole time,
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: the whole time. You know. Obviously, like a lot of
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: what we're saying about missed out hard being a trans
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: movie or like a little tongue in cheek, But there
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: are so many parts of it that I look back
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: at now and resonate with me so strongly, Like the
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: scene with irony with no irony, like the scene where
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: um missus Doubtfire's son clocks her tea when she sees
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: her standing up and peeing. Yes, like that is trans
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: experience trans not honestly, nothing is like more gender affirming
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: and more gender destroying than like lifting like the lifting
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: my skirt up at a urinal to piss, which obviously
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: like I have not done in a very long time.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: It's like real, It's like I think the last time
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: I did it was like at the Glad Awards in
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. I think I saw that photo. Um, I yeah,
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: I I you know, to be transparent, ip sitting down,
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: but I but I do. But it is trans It
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: is like there's there is a thing where it's just
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: like that is a thing, that's a that's that's a thing,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: and we immediately latch onto it. Um yeah, I think
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: that that kind of namable, that unnamable trans quality is
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: just I definitely saw it as a kid and also
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: understand it also much like Missus Delfire, I do put
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: on a full set of prosthetics every day before I
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: go outside, and that's you know, that's what makes it
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: even harder when I do get miss gendered because it's like,
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: what the fuck did I fucking glue all the ship
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: to my face for? Yeah? Um the double DS and
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: a top and bottom of Veneers that I have on
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  Speaker 1: right now? You are still calogging me, how dare Missus
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  Speaker 1: Doubtfire was giving? Body? Do you? Okay? Okay? If we're
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: looking at Missus Doubtfire Okay. We talked a little bit
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: about like from a trans perspective, but I think a
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: lot of drag queens love Missus Doubtfire as a drag figure,
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: and like there's certainly so much there in the in
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: the movie to support that reading or like that legacy
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: that she has. M your actu actually pointing out something
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  Speaker 1: that I think is, dare I say, missing from this movie,
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: which is Missus Doubtfire musical number right? That could? That
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: could and should have happened. And I think that we
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: were even though we did get a little bit of
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: like Robin Williams singing, we really needed Missus Doubtfire original song.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Wait, you know what I
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: didn't even think about when we were talking about how
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: hot Robin Williams is. The hottest he was was in
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: the Birdcage when he was gay. That's when he was
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: the gayest. We forgot that he actually did play gay
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: opposite Nathan Lane, and he was so he was like
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: giving like Versacci, like like chest hair, gold chain, like
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: sleazy Miami vibes. It was Versacci. Yeah, And I so
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: I've only seen that movie once, but like that movie,
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: like really like the gayness of it all, Like Robin
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: Williams ken I was gonna say, can say baggett Um,
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say that, though I'm gonna say Robin Williams,
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: I'll say he can say baggett we can say too. No.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: He was so he was so effortless in a gay role.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: He had no qualms and had no was unfazed by
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: the task of being gay. But I've only seen that
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: movie once, and I just remember the plot of the
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: movie is like insane, right, like what's the it is movie?
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: The plot of the movie is that, um, they're this
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: gay couple who own um a nightclub in Miami. Their
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: son is getting married, but um, his bride to be
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: his parents don't know that his dads are gay. I
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: mean it's based off Lakaja Foe. And so when the
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: parents come to visit Nathan Lane, um dresses in drag
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: to you know, play, so to pretend that they are
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: a hetero couple. So it's like Christine Bransky. Yes, so
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: it's another So I would actually say that I think
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: maybe the Bird Cage and Missus Doubtfire exists in the
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: same cinematic universe. So Nathan Lane and Robin Williams like
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: broke up. Robin Williams married Sally Field and then the
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: plot of Missus Dolfire happened, and he was like, wait, wait, wait,
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: this worked once before it could work again. I thought
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: you were gonna say that, like after Nathan you know,
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: had this like stint. After Nathan Lane had this stint
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: as as dressing up as a woman, he realized she
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: realized transitioned Field. Yes, no, no, no, no, no, I
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: was gonna say she transitioned to whatever, you know, her
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: new name was. I don't know what herr her like
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: kind of drag name was in um the bird Cage,
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: but I was gonna say she transitioned. And then later
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: in Robin Williams's wife later after Sally Field happened, she
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: transitioned as well. And now Missus Doubtfire and Nathan Lane
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: as a woman are a T for T couple. Couple.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: That's where I thought you were going. Um, I would
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: support that. I think, thank you, that works well. Um.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: Something else that's amazing about um the Birdcage was Christine
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: Baranski playing a homophobe. They're like, need to be more
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: movies and TV shows where Broadway divas play homophobes, like
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: Patty Lapone has done in HS Yes and I Pose
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: and in Ugly Betty Yes typecasting yes, typecasting much. Yeah.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: I mean Laon is a little bit of a homophobe
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: with like the amount of gaze screaming at her all day,
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: every day, her entire life. In the words of Madonna,
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: she would kill fags who hate women period. Like yeah,
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: I think that, Like, um, yeah, Patty, any sort of
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: diva that wants to play homophobe can because she's earned
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: that right as a lauded diva. So I never saw
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: the Missus Doubtfire musical that was either just on the
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: West End or was maybe also on Broadway. We need
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: to see it and no, I oh oh, so I'm
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: I'm There's a couple of fun facts here on the
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: Missus Doutfire Wikipedia page. A young Blake Lively was almost
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: one of the children. So what okayo you know? Um,
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: Warren Beady m was almost Missus Doubtfire um, and also
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: Tim Allen was almost Missus Doubtfire but turned down both
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: the roles, probably because he is as as he's a
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: horrible person and I think he's like a conservative like
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: Trump supporter. Now, yeah, he's He's a huge, huge Fox
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: newser He was the one of the first celebrities to
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: say that coming out as a Republican is like harder
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: than like coming out as gay or whatever. Coming out
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: as a Republican in Hollywood means that like no one
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: will ever work with you again, and that's like why
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: we don't see Tim Allen projects anymore, which like I'm
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: grateful for, but Tim Allen unfortunately did raise me like
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: we were a home improvement family. I wonder if I'm
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: trying to think if there's anything in the culture now
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: rose that like exemplifies what I'm going to try and
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: talk about. But I do think that this era not
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: just the era of comedies where men dressed up as women,
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: but like era of comedies that are kind of body snatchy,
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: like hot Chick or white Chicks or I was gonna
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: say Freaky Friday, but like ones were like you like
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: a man is trapped in a woman's body, things like that.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: Like I think people are afraid of those narratives now,
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: and yet they are really funny. I've actually I've I
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: haven't seen it since like middle school. Like White Chicks
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: is so good. Did you see that video that's been
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: going around on Twitter of the dance battle scene from
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: White Chicks and they're dancing to songs from the new
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: Caroline Policheck album White Chicks. We should have a guest
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: on to break down White Chicks for us, because like
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: that is a movie that I did watch like a
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: year a year, year and a half ago, and as
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: someone who you know doesn't need to like make critique
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: on this movie might as a passing as observation, I
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: was like this was ahead of its time in so
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: many ways, Like it was like a it was like
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: get out level like cultural commentary that I think went
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: under the radar because it was also extremely stupid. But
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: you know what, some of the stupidest movies have some
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: of the most incisive things to say about the world.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: Euch like Missus Doubtfire sort of predicted the gender discourse
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: we would be having decades later. When Missus Doubtfire stood
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: to piss at that toilet, she pissed all over Stone
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: this heteronormativity, Um all over JK rolling space. Yeah exactly. Um,
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: did you are you gonna see? Are we going to
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: see Sally Field in eighty for Brady? No? Oh, we
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: already we We've talked about a sports movie. It's not
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: a sports movie. It is a sports movie. It's about
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: old ladies. I'm not about football. I'm not seeing it.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: It's about football the way like Space Jam is about
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: like basketball. And I don't like Space Jam because of
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: that Space Jam is. I also don't think I'm not
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: a Space Jam girl. But I don't know. Um my vibe,
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: but I do. I do love Sally Field. Um, what
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: are what are some of your other favorite Sally Field performances?
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know. If I can only think of Missus
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: Doubtfire and eighty for Rady, my favorite performance is eighty
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: for Rady. I don't know. I don't know if I'm
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: seeing Sally Field in anything but Missus Doutfire, And like
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: I know, she has like a long history of incredible
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: filmwork and well, honestly, her oscars acceptance speech is her
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: greatest performance, like that, Oh yeah, you like me, you
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: really like me. I love Sally Field, but the fact
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: that her rebound from what Robin Williams was literally Pierce
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: Brasen in literally James Bond is just slightly unbelievable. Yeah,
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: I mean the comically attractive like new Boyfriend Trope is
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: like endlessly funny to me, and Pierce Brosnin is like
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: comically attractive in this movie. Isn't there a moment? Isn't
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: there a moment where okay, what there's a there's a
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: scene where Pierce Brosnin and Missus Doubtfire are interacting at
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: like what a beach club or like a pool like
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: a yeah, do you remember this? Like a country club? Yeah,
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: isn't doesn't mean like have the hots for her something
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: or no, he but he he comes up to the
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: bar to like talk to her and kind of you know,
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: he's trying to like get get get in with her
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: because he's you know, romancing Sally Field. M A lingering question.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: Do you think that one of the children of Missus
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: Doubtfire grows up to be a serial killer because of
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: how a scarred they are from this experience? Not a
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: serial killer, but like they definitely like, you know, grew
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: up to write like a kind of wait, who is
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: that child actor that just wrote the memoir that everyone's reading. Oh,
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: I'm glad my mom died? Yeah, who was Jenette McCurdy? Yeah,
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: I see, I see one of these kids growing up
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: and writing like a Janette McCurdy s like I'm glad
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: my dad transitioned. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Yes, that is
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: the book that I add that I want to read.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: And it's kind of like this is all my trauma
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: and yet it was all for the better. You know.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: Um that I think is the story that I want
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: to read. So um, you know in the Realm of
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: Cross Dressing, you know, Harvey fire scene is in this
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: movie who would go on to originate the role of
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: Ed Turnblood on Broadway And Hairspray, um, which is another
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: like obviously iconic, you know, gender fuckery musical, much like
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: the film which starred Divine and as we've said on
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: this pod before, John Travolta's last significant performance, which is bizarre,
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: Well yeah, John, okay, so missus doubtfire walked. So John
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: Travolta in Hairspray could run that's not that's not at
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: all a joke, that is not absolutely to know I'm
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: being one hundred percent. And also I will say John
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: Travolta was also uncompable as editor and bloods. I don't know,
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know about that. But and
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: that's movie magic. Well, slide intoward d MS at Like
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• 50:40
  Speaker 1: thoughts about missus Doubtfire. Do you think it's an iconic
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: drag film, an iconic trans film? Um? Do you think? Um?
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: If a Jenia Doubtfire waits in line for her estra
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: dialet calan lord or she an aputure girl? Or does
• 50:54
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