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Ep. 762: EHD Reports and Competitive Birding | MeatEater Radio Live! · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Smell us Now, lady, Welcome to Meet Eater Trivia podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Meet Eater Radio Live. It's eleven am Mountain Time.
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  Speaker 2: on Thursday, September eleventh, and we're live for Met Eater,
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  Speaker 2: HQ and Bozeman. I'm your host, Spencer, joined today by
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  Speaker 2: Callen Seth. On today's show, we'll interview Owen Riser about
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  Speaker 2: spending a year as a competitive burder. After that we'll
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  Speaker 2: have gear talk. Then we'll look at old hunting and
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  Speaker 2: fishing pictures for Throwback Thursday. And finally, Kip Adams from
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  Speaker 2: the National Dear Association will join us to give an
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  Speaker 2: EHD report for every region. Now, we've got a few
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  Speaker 2: Come stump us with some trivia, tell us hunting stories,
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  Speaker 2: eat our food. We'll have a good time tailgating. Cal
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  Speaker 2: and Seth. What have you boys been up too lately?
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  Speaker 1: Oh? So much? Been digging deep in the freezer. I
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  Speaker 1: have many many projects going on simultaneously.
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  Speaker 2: Give me an update.
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  Speaker 1: Been breaking in new strings for the bow and throwing
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  Speaker 1: darts and things are things are looking really good on
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  Speaker 1: the archery.
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  Speaker 2: Front, very specific hunt you're prepping for.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, brown bear in Alaska here at the end of
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  Speaker 1: the month. And then I everywhere I look, there's just
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  Speaker 1: things that needs to be straightened up and done so
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  Speaker 1: I can have an efficient and good hunting season.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: So I stuck my head in the freezer and I
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  Speaker 1: was like, Oh, there's this bag of grind staring me
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  Speaker 1: in the face that I haven't turned into burger yet.
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  Speaker 1: And it had a hole in the bag, of course.
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  Speaker 1: So I threw that in a box to take home.
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  Speaker 1: And then basically underneath that, I was like, what what
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  Speaker 1: is this bag? Because I have like a nice freezer
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  Speaker 1: that's all visually appealing and organized, and then.
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  Speaker 2: I have the vertical freezer right yeah, next the one
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  Speaker 2: and then has one yes, and then the chest freezer
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  Speaker 2: is like bulk yet to be refined, so like big
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  Speaker 2: roast shanks, quarters sometimes whole birds, the big sacks.
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  Speaker 1: Like grind them things that I'm gonna get to later on.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the freezer you put like a gun case
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  Speaker 2: on top of so no one is tempted to open
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  Speaker 2: it up and look in there. Yeah, because the vertical freezer,
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  Speaker 2: that's the that's the company for that.
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  Speaker 1: That's one that makes you look like you know what
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  Speaker 1: you're doing and are respectful. So I'm like, what is
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  Speaker 1: in this bag in the vertical freezer, in the nice freezer?
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  Speaker 1: And it was these turkey carcasses that I realized that
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  Speaker 1: I didn't turn into stock because I ran out of
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  Speaker 1: jars during stock making season at the end of turkey season.
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  Speaker 1: So I threw those in the box. And then I
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  Speaker 1: got to looking around some more and there's all this
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  Speaker 1: like random couple years collection of hearts, antelope and deer
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  Speaker 1: and elk carts, so I threw those in the box.
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  Speaker 1: And then a bunch of tongues, so I threw those
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  Speaker 1: in the box. And then there's this big package a
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  Speaker 1: goose bress that also had a hole in it, and
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  Speaker 1: that went in the box. That one in the box.
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  Speaker 2: Now what the box is the deep freezing No, the
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  Speaker 2: box is.
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  Speaker 1: The thing that was that was going to go in
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  Speaker 1: the truck and then come back and then I was
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  Speaker 1: going to start processing. So that literally this morning, I've
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  Speaker 1: been going to bed at like eleven o'clock, waken up
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  Speaker 1: at four thirty five, getting all this stuff done, so
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  Speaker 1: I have the pressure cooker going finishing off the last.
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  Speaker 2: Jarring right now? Yeah, okay, uh, well.
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  Speaker 1: It turned it off to come over here. Sure it'd
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  Speaker 1: be crazy spencerling.
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  Speaker 2: And then you could have been doing it in the kitchen,
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  Speaker 2: you know, ten steps away.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I should have. And then I had one slow
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  Speaker 1: cooker with the goose bress in it. I was like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna make like barbecue sandwiches out of goose breast,
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  Speaker 1: which turns out awesome, but I didn't label these things properly,
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  Speaker 1: and there were a big thing of corned goose brass,
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  Speaker 1: so I had like onions and all sorts of stuff
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  Speaker 1: in the slow cooker. And then I got to looking
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  Speaker 1: at them and I'm like, oh, this is beautiful corn beef,
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  Speaker 1: which you know, so it's still gonna be as a
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  Speaker 1: good taste and sandwich. But then I'm like, God, you
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  Speaker 1: just never learn. And then I had another slow cooker
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  Speaker 1: with all the tongues in it, and I trimmed up
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  Speaker 1: all the hearts and I put that in with the
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  Speaker 1: grind and then ground all that stuff and made out
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  Speaker 1: of that. We got all that packaged up and then
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  Speaker 1: back in the nice vertical freezer, and then just the
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  Speaker 1: list is endless.
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  Speaker 2: Pre Fall going pre fall is stressful. I'm a better
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  Speaker 2: hunter if things are taken care of at home, in
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  Speaker 2: the yard, in the freezer. Yeah, I don't have to
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  Speaker 2: think about those things. Then, yeah, I'm trying to kill
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  Speaker 2: it exactly.
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  Speaker 1: I'm at the point where I just burn all this
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  Speaker 1: stuff in town down, give it away, uh huh, destroy
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  Speaker 1: it yep. And then I'm just the dog and I
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  Speaker 1: head off. Yeah, there you go.
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  Speaker 2: It's now occurring to me as I look at your
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  Speaker 2: two handsome faces. We have too many mustaches on this show.
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  Speaker 2: We've hit our quota. We've hit our quota of mustaches. Phil,
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  Speaker 2: you cannot grow a mustache.
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  Speaker 1: You don't have to worry about that.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, it's gonna get real weird if we go four
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  Speaker 2: for four and mustaches in this studio. All right, moving on.
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  Speaker 2: Joining us on the line first is Owen Riser, the
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  Speaker 2: director of Listers. A Glimpse into Extreme bird watching documentary
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  Speaker 2: is available on YouTube right now. Owen, welcome to the show, fellas.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for having me. I dug out my public landowner
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  Speaker 3: shirt for you boys.
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  Speaker 2: All right in listeners, you and your brother spend a
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  Speaker 2: year as competitive bird watchers explain what that is and
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  Speaker 2: more specifically, what it means to go for a big year.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so we heard about this group of people that
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  Speaker 3: try to list as many bird species as they can
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  Speaker 3: in one calendar year and that's called a big year.
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  Speaker 3: And we thought, you know, we didn't know anything about
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  Speaker 3: the culture birdwatching. You know, we're big out like fans
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  Speaker 3: of the outdoors and stuff, but we never messed with birdwatching.
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  Speaker 3: And we were like, you know, we should try that,
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  Speaker 3: we should learn about extreme birdwatching by becoming birdwatchers. And
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  Speaker 3: that's what we did, and it was right. You know,
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  Speaker 3: we made fun of them a little bit, but it's
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  Speaker 3: a great hobby and we enjoyed the hell out of it.
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  Speaker 2: Before you tried doing this, What was your experience with birdwatching?
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  Speaker 3: Exactly?
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  Speaker 1: Zero?
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  Speaker 3: It was, It was zero experience. We knew a handful
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  Speaker 3: of birds, like, you know, the card and all the
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  Speaker 3: bald eagle, the you know, the junior varsity birds. We
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  Speaker 3: knew all those, but certainly didn't know what a rose
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  Speaker 3: throated but card was any of those, you know what
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  Speaker 3: I mean.
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  Speaker 2: So competitive birding can be a very expensive hobby, which
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  Speaker 2: you guys learn in the documentary but you try to
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  Speaker 2: do it as cheap as possible. Tell us about some
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  Speaker 2: of the ways you saved money while traveling across the
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  Speaker 2: country looking for rare birds.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, my brother and I are i'd say, experienced dirt bags,
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  Speaker 3: so we knew how to live out of a car
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  Speaker 3: and eat rice and beans and tuna and all that
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  Speaker 3: kind of stuff. But yeah, most people doing a big year,
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  Speaker 3: we found out they spend hundreds of thousands of dollars
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  Speaker 3: to look at little birds, which is, you know, insane,
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  Speaker 3: but we get it now, we understand. And yeah, we
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  Speaker 3: slept in a minivan, spent the whole year on public land, basically,
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  Speaker 3: with the exception of forty two nights at cracker barrels
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  Speaker 3: across the h the only the only place you can
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  Speaker 3: bang on free Knight's rest when you when you need
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  Speaker 3: to be near a city or if there was a
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  Speaker 3: rare bird report, like you know, and in an area
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  Speaker 3: that didn't have public land. So that's kind of that's
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  Speaker 3: kind of how we saved money.
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  Speaker 2: Oh wow, What was the process like for sleeping in
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  Speaker 2: a cracker barrel parking lot? Do you go in and
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  Speaker 2: talk to the store manager? Do you call them ahead
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  Speaker 2: of time? Or is it just known that that's cool
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  Speaker 2: to do.
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  Speaker 3: You know, that's kind of a rookie move going in
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  Speaker 3: and asking the manager. We found out that's kind of
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  Speaker 3: a rookie move. You just kind of pull out back
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  Speaker 3: and you don't even have to eat in the restaurant,
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  Speaker 3: and you shouldn't eat in the restaurant. Let's be honest.
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  Speaker 1: Now, you played Newcome one time and watched him just
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  Speaker 1: devour h Cracker barrel, specifically the Gritts. I was blown away.
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  Speaker 3: All the grits. We saw somebody, uh maybe their last
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  Speaker 3: moments in their life in a Cracker Real parking lot.
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  Speaker 3: They evacuated the entire restaurant and they pulled somebody out
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  Speaker 3: on a stretcher and Quinton. As a line in the movie,
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  Speaker 3: it says, from the Grits to the gallows because it's
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  Speaker 3: a it's a war zone in there.
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  Speaker 2: What adventure during this journey you learn about some of
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  Speaker 2: the bird watching drama, tell us about stringing and more
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  Speaker 2: specifically Swallowgate.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's probably similar in like hunting and fishing.
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  Speaker 3: You know, people want that record or you know they
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  Speaker 3: want that like I don't know, do you guys know
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  Speaker 3: better than me? But like they put weights and fish
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  Speaker 3: and stuff, right, is that?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's exactly what.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. So so in birding, it's called stringing, and
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  Speaker 3: it's basically the whole thing is built on an honor system, right,
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  Speaker 3: but you know it's like, you know, there's cheeters out there,
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  Speaker 3: and so stringing is basically stringing along these rare bird
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  Speaker 3: sidings where you know, you say you saw the and
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  Speaker 3: you didn't, or you exaggerate that you saw the bird
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  Speaker 3: and you put it on this bird software called e
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  Speaker 3: bird and uh, there's a famous incident from like a
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  Speaker 3: decade ago called Swallowgate where a guy thought he or
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  Speaker 3: he said he saw a bird called a violet green
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  Speaker 3: swallow and it would have been a state record for
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  Speaker 3: North Carolina, and a bunch of birders in the area
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  Speaker 3: got skeptical of him. They dug in, they found out
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  Speaker 3: where his location was on the date he said he
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  Speaker 3: saw the bird, and it was uh, they somehow found
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  Speaker 3: his location, and then then they dug him to the
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  Speaker 3: metadata on the photo and they found out it was like, uh,
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  Speaker 3: you know, didn't match the date he said it was at.
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  Speaker 3: And then they went to a bunch of natural history
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  Speaker 3: museums and matched the feather molt the specific feather molt
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  Speaker 3: on this this bird, and they were like, no, at
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  Speaker 3: this time of year, it should have more white on
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  Speaker 3: this specific type of feather on the back of it,
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  Speaker 3: and like it's crazy. So they nabbed the guy and
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  Speaker 3: he's kind of blacklisted from the community. So in the movie,
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  Speaker 3: I interviewed the guy and I got his perspective, and uh,
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  Speaker 3: I kind of believe I kind of believe that he
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  Speaker 3: really saw the bird. He said he just faked the
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  Speaker 3: photo and he was like a young kid at the time,
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  Speaker 3: but he explained it. I kind of I'm kind of one.
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  Speaker 3: I know, I know, I love it.
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  Speaker 1: I love it. Uh.
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  Speaker 2: At some point, you guys find out that there is
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  Speaker 2: a rare bird email chain and it leads to a
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  Speaker 2: lot of new sightings. Tell us about that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so, uh, about probably two or three months into
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  Speaker 3: the year, we found out we were missing out on
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  Speaker 3: a lot because there's something called a uh the rare
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  Speaker 3: bird e bird Alert thing, and so we went on
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  Speaker 3: there and our numbers went up after that for sure,
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  Speaker 3: and uh, you check this email thing and a bunch
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  Speaker 3: of nerds basically just send out where they're seeing all
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  Speaker 3: these uh, you know, rare birds. We saw one there.
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  Speaker 3: We got one report of something called a cattle tyrant
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  Speaker 3: and it was in uh Corpus Christie, I think, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: Corpus Christi And uh, they tell you, they just tell
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  Speaker 3: you the location of the bird. Drive there, you look
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  Speaker 3: at it, you go nice, and you put it on
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  Speaker 3: your fancy little list and you're good to go. All right.
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  Speaker 2: What's your favorite bird that you found in the big year?
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  Speaker 3: Mine is the I like the common birds. I'm I'm
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  Speaker 3: not a rare bird. I like the common nighthawk. Big
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  Speaker 3: fan of that one. Quentin is a big fan of
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  Speaker 3: the road runner standard, you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, okay, And what what was the rarest bird you
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  Speaker 2: guys saw?
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  Speaker 3: There was one. There's one called a gray collared bicard.
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  Speaker 3: It was like the first time and you'd been seen
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  Speaker 3: in the country. It's it's one of those it's like
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  Speaker 3: right on the border at Texas in the US, so
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  Speaker 3: it like flies flies from Mexico or yeah, from Mexico
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  Speaker 3: to the US. Flies from Mexico. And then you can
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  Speaker 3: count it on your big, fancy little list, and then
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  Speaker 3: you know if it's if it's like one hundred yards south,
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  Speaker 3: you can't count it. It's kind of one of those deals,
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  Speaker 3: but yet on a super rare.
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  Speaker 2: And what's the weirdest place that you guys checked a
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  Speaker 2: bird off the list?
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  Speaker 4: Uh?
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  Speaker 3: We amped right outside of a women's prison in New
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  Speaker 3: Mexico some uh you know, some bad ladies in there,
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  Speaker 3: and uh we uh we we woke up in the
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  Speaker 3: morning and saw our the first time we'd ever seen
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  Speaker 3: something called a Clark's grebe and uh, I'll never look
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  Speaker 3: at one of those the same again that they're out
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  Speaker 3: in the pond, just kind of right outside the prison there.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, a few times you guys had sightings that were
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  Speaker 2: actually rejected. Tell us about that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Again, they say it's an honor system, but we
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  Speaker 3: should have got a lot of emails that were saying,
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  Speaker 3: you know, this wasn't the bird you saw because we
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  Speaker 3: were so new at it, right, and uh, they're pretty
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  Speaker 3: quick to take those away. Yeah, it's an honor system,
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  Speaker 3: you know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you called them, we got the bird cops, right.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're the bird cops. They're a vicious group out there.
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  Speaker 1: Did you side with them or were you like there right?
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  Speaker 3: No, yeah, no, they're definitely right. Obviously we didn't.
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  Speaker 2: Know what we were doing, yeh yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: So your sightings are tracked on the app E bird,
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  Speaker 2: and that's who makes the leaderboard. I saw that e
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  Speaker 2: bird had over one point one million users last year.
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  Speaker 2: Tell us how many birds you saw and where you
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  Speaker 2: ranked among those million competitors.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so we saw five hundred and seventy nine species
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  Speaker 3: of bird. And if you'd say that at the bar,
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  Speaker 3: it's not a great pickup by nobody really cares. But
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  Speaker 3: the record is now seven hundred and fifty eight. And
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  Speaker 3: so they saw, you know, two hundred. I don't know
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  Speaker 3: how to do math, but that's like a lot more
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  Speaker 3: than we saw. And yeah, it's crazy. There's the fact
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  Speaker 3: that there's people out there that saw that many more
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  Speaker 3: than us. It's it's a passionate group.
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  Speaker 2: And where did that five hundred sum get you on
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  Speaker 2: the leaderboard?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, that would be twenty third in the in the
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  Speaker 3: United States?
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  Speaker 2: Twenty third. That is very impressive. Now, if someone want
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  Speaker 2: a trophy for that, there we go. If someone wanted
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  Speaker 2: to get into birding but doesn't know where to start,
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  Speaker 2: what advice would you give.
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  Speaker 3: Them, I'd say, get the Merlin app It's great. The
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  Speaker 3: Merlin apps so good. It's like helps for beginners. And
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  Speaker 3: and then I would say just leave like the bucket
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  Speaker 3: hat and the basket at home. You don't really need that.
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  Speaker 3: The binoculars in the Marlin app.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, very good. Uh Listers. A Glimpse into Extreme bird
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  Speaker 2: Watching is available right now for free on YouTube. It's
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  Speaker 2: a really fun documentary. Everyone should go watch it. Oh
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  Speaker 2: and congrats on your big year and thanks for joining us.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks guys.
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  Speaker 1: You guys are all keeping up business opportunity out there too.
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  Speaker 1: If you're not finding gals at the bar with your
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  Speaker 1: bird list, you build the bar and they will come.
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  Speaker 3: That's a good idea.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, for free, Thank you. That was awesome.
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  Speaker 2: In the documentary, they also discover they get an old
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  Speaker 2: birding book and it's got all these bird hotlines you
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  Speaker 2: can call, and they call like fifty of the numbers,
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  Speaker 2: only one is still working and it's in Ohio.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: And they learn after they're talking to the person on
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: this rare bird hotline who's giving them an update on
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: where to find some rare birds, that it's an Amish hotline,
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: which hit close to home because we know that our
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: podcasts are all available on an Amish hotline as well,
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: So shout out to the Amish folks. Who are dialing
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: into some phone number and learning about where the rare
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: birds are and listening to cal of the Wild.
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: It's citizen science. It's awesome.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: It's great.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: It's super cool.
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: Great.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, any birding interest from you too.
• 17:25
  Speaker 5: Well, I like to keep track of some of them
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: birding websites. If I'm trying to figure out where birds
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: that I would like to on our.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: They do pop. That's a dirty, dirty little secret out there. Yeah.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon and I we put the full on sneak
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: on some birds in the lasket when we were up
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: there in the Arctic Circle with the Merlin app, Mark
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: with his Merlin app fully extended, trying to get a
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: bird call to identify some birds that. I mean, that
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: was very fun.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 17:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah, lost a camera feed here. I don't know what happened.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: And that app.
• 18:02
  Speaker 6: You can keep talking every everybody can hear you, they
• 18:04
  Speaker 6: just can't see you.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: I just busted it out the other day because we
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: had this this group of hawks that got really friendly
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: with our backyard. They were like tearing squirrels and stuff.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: Open hawks.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: Well that I was like, oh, it's a sharp shinned hawk.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh no, it's a rough legged hawk.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: And then finally I was like, oh, I got to
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: redownload the Marlin app and it's a Swainson's hawk okay,
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: and they were they were super cool. Yeah, I kind
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: of moved on.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: My interest in verting is I don't like not knowing
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: what I'm looking at. If I'm like out in nature
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: deer hunting and see some bird I'm not familiar with,
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: it's annoying if I don't know, like the name of
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: that thing. Yeah, I don't like that.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: It's also fun though, to like in the duck blind.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: You know, people will be like, oh and I and
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: I just say bop b op, bird of prey.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: Bop that that it's the message across we don't shoot
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: those right exactly.
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: That Merlin app is one of my favorite things ever.
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: In the springtime, when I'm turkey hunting, I'll just turn
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: that thing on and set it down next to me.
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: Is like the woods come alive and just like all
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: the different birds that pop out, Like just seeing how
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: many different birds I can get that is.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah. The audio part is really amazing because for whatever
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: reason in my brain, it's gonna be like it's gonna
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: identify one bird, but it's all the noises. Yeah, which
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: is yeah, it's awesome. It's great.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: Owen and his brother they try to trick the app
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: and like use a flute to play a bird call,
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: and they successfully do it. In one instance they're able
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: to replicate I don't remember what the bird is, but
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: they do it well enough to make Merlin think that
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: they are that bird.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: Oh great, minds think alike. I tried to do that.
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: And then we were in Alaska one time bear hunt
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: with Clay Nukem, and we were trying to get him
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: to trick the.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: Old bard out. Oh it worked, yeah, yeah, he was
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: able to trick it. Cool.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I could give him a ribbon.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I thought I had it right, the right shrill
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: for the Swainson's hawk, and you know it didn't work again.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: Owen's documentary is called Listers. It's available on YouTube right now.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: All right, our next segment is gear Talk.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about gear.
• 20:23
  Speaker 6: Let's talk about let's talk about boots.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: In behind those cano patterns with John.
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: D Let's talk about year. Let's knock about gear.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: For gear Talk, each of us has a gear review
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: for you today. Seth start us off, all right, the.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: Piece of gear I'm talking about today? Is this right here?
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: Ski goggles.
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: It's something that probably a lot of hunters don't think
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: about carrying with them.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: No, you're not a skier, are you.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: I've never skied before and I probably never will.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: Not a snowboarder. Not a snowboarder.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: God, that's that's a long time to go without skiing
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: for living in the Mountain West, the Inner Mountain West. Yeah,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: it's just I just do other things. Well, yeah, I
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: hear you. We were talking before the show started about
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: things that you end up having to do them as
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: an adult.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: And I think at a certain points that it like
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: becomes a thing like I'm not a skier, I'm just
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: never going to ski, and so like, yeah, I'm just
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: like more incentive to not go skiing.
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: Oh, I've gotten to the point where I'm like, I'm
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: never gonna I'm never gonna invest in. Like I could
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: go buy a bunch of like rapple alures or something.
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: I'd rather do that than than buy skis whatever.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: So why do you ski goggles investment?
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: How's your portfolio? I just got a bunch of still
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: in the box, So, uh, ski goggles. I use them
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: a lot of times in the winter, Like if there's
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: snow on the ground when I'm hunting and it's blowing snow.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm tracking on that for sure.
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: Eastern Montana when it's super windy, no snow on the ground,
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: and you're just I one time was walking with the
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: wind at my back on a real windy day and
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: I was just in a bunch of dusty type ground
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: and like, let's catch you get like an eddy in
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: front of your face and you're just eating dust all day.
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: So yeah, ski goggles for that. And then anytime you're
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: on a skiff in colder weather or or rainy weather.
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: There's a picture on here Phil of me and a
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: skiff in Alaska wearing these same ski goggles. It was
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: it was raining, you know, ten minutes before this photo
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: was taken. We were on a blacktail on up in Alaska.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: Keeping your forehead warm.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just just I wear them all the time.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: It's like, listen to Bubba Gump talk about shrimp over there, Yep,
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: ski goggles. Cow, where do you stand on ski goggles
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: for dogs when they're when they're hunting?
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Boy, I I think they can be a good idea.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: To snort every wear them.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: No, you know, these seasons vary so much for us
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: when we were like really getting after it, the amount
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: of doctoring of her eyeballs that was going on every
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: day was pretty intense there for a while, and I
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: was like, I am gonna get this dog doggles as
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: as some call them.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: And and is that are those made for dogs or
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: you just use like Seth's pair.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: No, there's a couple of companies out there, you know.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: And because it like started in the tactical world and
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: then of course became hip. You know, those tactical things
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: become so hip that we have to have them. But
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: and then, like you know, folks who use dogs for
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: crane hunts, it's good eye pro for them because cranes
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: can lash out at dogs eyeballs. But yeah, once you
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: get late in the season and your dog's been around
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: and hard through like sorgum and really abrasive grasses, they
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: lose all the hair around their eyeballs and then uh,
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: and their cheekbones and stuff start looking real, real tough,
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: and they just get a lot of seeds and dust and.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: You're hunting around cat tails and those things explode.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. So it's not it's not like I don't
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: look at it and be likeugh, poser, like there's there's
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: a there's a legit use case and yeah, I mean
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: yeah yeah, it's not like your Weekend Warrior type of thing,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: like dogs handle that stuff just fine.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: You approve? Yeah, all right, cat, what are you reviewing
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: for gear talk?
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Well, I had a couple of directions.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: Deciding as he rifles through his blue jeans pockets right now,
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: we'll see what he's gonna pull out. Now he's looking
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: on the ground there it is his keys, his hoodie. No,
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: he's reaching past that.
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: To find something economical.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Okay, he set set his sunglasses. What do we got
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: in Calsh.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: Phelps predator call? So I you know all my f
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: HF binal harnesses, of which I have three now orange,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: one camel one another camel one, one set up for archery,
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: one set up for rifle. You know, I either have
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: a external read cow elk call or a predator call,
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: and they're they either one has year round applications because
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: you can use that external read cow call as a
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: predator call. But it's also good at just like stopping deer,
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: you know, like a pretty good ratio. If you bump something,
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: it'll stop and take a look, and you can do
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: the same thing with a predator call. Predator call, you
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: get like one shot at it, because if you refound
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: it too much, you can just blow all the deer
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: out of the country.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: Give me an example of what it would sound like
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: if you were trying to stop a deer right now.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: Oh, I just go.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: Okay, that works, and yeah it can work.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: But then for for bringing in the critters, I suggest
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: like crying like a baby, like in your brain. This
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: is how I do all my calling. I have like
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: the conversation in my head. Motivation, you could call it.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: But I am like a baby human child left out
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: on the prairie, exposed to the elements that'll that'll get Yeah.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I hunted with some very good predator hunters when
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: I worked at Peterson's Hunting magazine. And this is a
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: decade ago, and it was around the time when I
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: feel like e callers had hit their peak, like everyone
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: either had one or was about to get one. Uh,
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: and they had now flipped it to the other way
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: where they were like mouth calls are now the way
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: to go, because every coyote in the country has heard
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: that e call. Sequence of a dyeing jack rabbit or
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: the tweety bird whatever. So they liked the variety you
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: can give yourself with a mouth call.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: Yep, I mean the variety in all things. I used
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: to just archery all count and used to be every
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: everything to me. For you know, in between live dogs
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: and that dead dog time, you get real obsessed with
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: the things that you're not normally doing when you have
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: good dogs. And I would buy I would often replace
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: my cow calls, but I would buy one brand new
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: cow call that I had never used before, just betting
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: on the fact that it's gonna have some pitch tone
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: that I wasn't currently in my repertoire and nobody else
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: was using. So like I used like a big woods
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: wise cal call that I found in some bargain bin someplace.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: You felt like that didn't sound like much else that
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: dudes were blowing on.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, yeah, yep was totally different.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right for gear talk today, I am reviewing
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: gas cans. I haven't owned a good gas can in
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: my adult life. The only good gas cans I've ever
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: used were pre two thousand and nine gas cans, which
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: is when the new EPA regulations went into effect and
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: I was trying to recently explain to someone that old
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: gas cans are something that sons are going to fight
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: over in the will someday, just because they were such
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: superior products, huh, like fifteen years ago. So here is
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: my plea to the audience. If you know about a
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: good gas can, email Radio at the mediater dot com
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: with the subject line gas can. I'm going to compile
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: your recommendations and then i will share them on the
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: next episode that I host in two weeks. There has
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: to be a good gas can on the market. Uh.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: If you know what that is, please email me so
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: I can share that with everyone. Uh, and then we're
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: not going to be pissed off anymore when we have
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: to like fill the snowblower or the boat or the
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: side by side uh with gas. Again, that's Radio at
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: the meadeater dot com, subject line gas can. Do either
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: of you boys have a good gas can recommendation?
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: Well, my little hot tip is you buy a gas
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: can and they all come with the freaking BS safety.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: That's which I'm two thousand and nine problems.
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: I've never spelt spilt more gas in my life. Agree
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: until they switched.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: To that system.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so true that that thing it like either
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: wants to give you all the gas or none of
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: the gas.
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but you can go to like a hardware store
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: or something and buy like or go on Amazon or
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: whatever and buy like aftermarket gas can nozzles that are
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: just like, doesn't have all the bs.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: Maybe that's the hot tip.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah for whatever he's in. The high volume cans never work.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: But I have a low volume you know, it's like
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: a half gallon four that I just towed around for
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: the generator. When I throw it in the in the
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: camper and that's got the weird like no drip plunger.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: Oh you know, you hook it on the edge and yeah,
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah, and that thing works great until it
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: sticks on occasion and then you're just like I had
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: this happened the other day.
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I had some gas in the gas can that
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: I was like, if it's probably gonna sit here for
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: a while, so I'm just gonna dump it in my truck.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: Huh.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: That way it gets used and I'm frightened to put
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: gas in my truck with any of my gas.
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: Half of it went down the side of my truck
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: and made a big old puddle on the sidewalk.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, someone listening though they know about what the best
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: gas can is. Maybe it's like twenty of.
• 30:51
  Speaker 6: You guess Vermont millennial homesteaders is suggesting stends no spill,
• 30:57
  Speaker 6: that can build up some pressure when you first open.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: Okay again radio at the meat eater dot com subject
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: line gas can.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: It makes you feel like you're kind of dying a
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: tragic gasoline fight accident.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: Yes. If I was running for president, this is something
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: I'd campaign on as old gas cans, and I think
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: that issue alone would win me a few states.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: Oh, I guarantee what people want.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: People want a good gas can.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And then you can be like, and what's the
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: deal with these new six pack holders? Can't we go
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: back to the old.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: That'd give me a couple more states? All right, let's
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: take a break for some listener feedback. Phill, what's the
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: chat have to say?
• 31:34
  Speaker 6: The Titus asks, Hey, Cal, have you ever chucker hunted
• 31:37
  Speaker 6: in Montana? Or heard of anyone doing it?
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: Uh? Yeah, chucker are listed as a game bird in
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: the state of Montana. Have you ever done it? No?
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Little devil birds?
• 31:53
  Speaker 6: All right, Nate is asking for a good venison breakfast
• 31:56
  Speaker 6: sausage recipe. Last attempt was a seventy five twenty five
• 31:59
  Speaker 6: mix with some pre made country sausage.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: Nate, we have a recipe on our website. It's literally
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: called the only breakfast sausage recipe that You'll ever need.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: It's from Danielle Pruitt. Go check that out and make
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: that your starting base, and then if you want to
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: make adjustments from there, Like it needs more fenel, needs
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: a little more spice. I think try to start with
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: that recipe and see where that gets you. Seth cal
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: I think that's great.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: I like sage is like the only ingredient and breakfast
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: sausage that like, like I want in my breakfast sausage.
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I've I've made breakfast sausage a couple of times
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: and just never turned out like I wanted it to.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: Danielle Pruitt's recipe, the only Venison breakfast sausage recipe you need.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Danielle is is just very very pro like she tests
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: everything and you know, she's like again professional, Yeah, very good.
• 32:53
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Kegan, this is a question for Seth, I'd say,
• 32:56
  Speaker 6: asks what battery slash tricks does the crew use to
• 32:58
  Speaker 6: keep camera equipment charged throughout long hunts.
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: Uh, carry a lot of batteries. Yeah, there's not a
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: whole lot you can do out there as far as charging.
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: I mean some it depends some spots. Like if we
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: get flown in somewhere and we have like a plane
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: we can haul year, we'll like drop a generator at
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: a spot, and like we've done that in Alaska where
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: we can like after a couple of days, come back
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: and charge.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: But it's just like on a on a long hunt
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: when you don't have any.
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: Access to charging stuff, you just got to carry a
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: bunch of batteries.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: The cold obviously messes with your batteries. Does the heat
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: mess with your batteries as well? Well?
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: They know I've never had heat.
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: I've had heat mess with cameras, just overheating cameras, but
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: not batteries.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: I just feel like my cell phone doesn't like to
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: charge if it's too hot. Yeah, it wasn't sure if
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: your your camera had similar issues.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: I've never run into that. No, there were all these
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: rechargeable batteries. They all just slowly degenerate over time. So
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: even if you're stockpiling fresh batteries, if you're on day seven, eight, whatever,
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: you pop that thing in and it's gonna be twenty
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: under what they say it should be, right, don't you think? Yeah?
• 34:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so yeah, And like you said, if it's cold,
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: it's just a whole different story.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: Phil, Let's do one more uh sure thing.
• 34:26
  Speaker 6: Brad asks, what's the most disappointing loss of meat you've
• 34:29
  Speaker 6: had due to spoilage or a broken freezer?
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: Mm hmmmm Uh.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: For me, it was I killed the deer a few
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: years ago in Wyoming that had CWD. So that wasn't
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: spoilage or a broken freezer. But like I had gotten
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: all the boneless meat home, it was ready to uh
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: to get like put away nicely in the freezer and
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: be eaten and processed. And then well yeah, when the
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: CWD came back positive, uh, it just went into a landfill.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: No one in the office was interested in giving it
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: to their dogs. I don't. I don't blame them. So
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: that was that was a bummer to lose a deer
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: to CWD. What do you guys got, I'm trying.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: I never lost a freezer, knock on wood. I lost
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: a Yeah, I mean, the most disappointing by far and away.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: I was gonna this just a funny story. Popped in
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: my head when we were like very very poor dirt
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: bag college kids. I was like guiding and building houses
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: and going to school and and my mom gave me
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: like a five bone rib roast for it must have
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: been my birthday, so a prime rib, beef fatty beef,
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: prime rib. And somebody unplugged the freezer, probably to do
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: something stupid, and never plugged it back in. And I
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: had antelope in there too, and that that was just
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: like a horrible gut punch at that time in life.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: And I called Montana Fish Wildlife in Parks and was like, Hey,
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna dump a bunch of game meat and landfill
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: wanted to let you know about that, and they're like, oh, okay,
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: and they recorded it, so I would get dinged with
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: wanton waste and guys like, so, You're just gonna toss
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: the whole freezer. I was like, no, no, I'm cleaning
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: it out, and yeah it was, but it was gross.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: It was like five inches of blood in the bottom
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: of that thing, stinky blood. And then I lost a
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: bowl elk in New Mexico a handful of years ago.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: It was the only time I've personally had at that
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: point It was the only time I personally had had
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: a elk tag in New Mexico and made what turned
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: out to be a good shot on this bowl, but
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: I was so convinced it was a bad shot. I
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: kind of talked myself out of really proper really following
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: this thing up, even though I'd done ninety five percent
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: of the work. And it was it was a horrific
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: loss of the meat, and just challenged to myself of like,
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: you know better, you always do better. Why'd you stop
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: this time? It was horrible?
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: Was there any meat recovered?
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: Zero? Yeah? I mean it was like one hundred degree
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: New Mexico hunt and yeah, man, I mean I basically
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: processed that whole thing like going something on here is
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: going to be good, and it was just wasn't just
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: all sour? Yeah.
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: A few years back, I was hunting Nebraska for white
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: tails and shot a buck with my bow and I
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: ended up getting one lung in liver, but it like
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: ran off into the scornfield, and I waited a couple hours,
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: and then after the morning hunt went in there ended
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: up jumping that buck. He was still alive and it
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: ran into the corn more and and I was like,
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna wait till just back out, wait till the
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: next day. Went back in there the next morning, and
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: I went and sat in the tree stand that morning
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: just to see what happened, you know, what was going on,
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: and then got down. I was with some buddies too,
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: So after the morning hunt, got down and started looking
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: for this buck. And I noticed like some bald eagles
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: and crows sitting in this tree along the cornfield. Like
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: made a mental note of that. And that morning I
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: had heard coyotes yepping over in that area too, and
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: I walked over there and just found the buck and
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: it was like devoured by kyo, pooped on and devoured yep,
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: like in twenty four hours, just completely devoured. What we
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: got some neck meat, a little bit of backstrap off
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: of it, but no fun.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Moving on. Our next segment is Throwback Thursday.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: Go back on a Thursday month.
• 39:13
  Speaker 6: Take me back in nineteen seventy four, go back, I
• 39:19
  Speaker 6: can't believe it.
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: Break old s.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: Throwback Thursdays where we look at old hunting and fishing
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: pictures of the crew cow start us off?
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: What picture?
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: Did?
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: Phil said? Okay, here we go, just way back in
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: my youth. Look at that how long? Look at that
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: well still well, you can see the male pattern baldness,
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: but it was still still rocking some hair. This would
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: have been probably two thousand and nine, two thousand, yeah,
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: right in there, two thousand and nine.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: I bet gas were still good.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: Back gas cans were still good. This is in the
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: Bob Marshall. That's the cabin at Cabin Creek. And we
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: were in there hunting grizzly bears for a combined grizzly
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: bear study. And those are two old now dead dogs,
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: Scout and Fish, the big Fish and Scout real good dogs.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: And we we got charged by a grizzly bear on
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: this one. And this was like a light charge, like
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: we were both very startled to see each other. And
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: he bailed off the hill and probably stopped at like
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: the fifty yard mark and then spun and bailed. But
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: giant grizzly bear.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: How many bears have you been charged by in your life?
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: Three?
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: Was this number one?
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: This was number two?
• 40:50
  Speaker 6: Hello, Kinn calls me for Krinn. This show has been
• 40:55
  Speaker 6: going on for over a year at the same time,
• 40:57
  Speaker 6: the same day of the week, and Krinn has been idea.
• 41:02
  Speaker 6: So it's Karin I love you, figure out the schedule.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: She wants to participate and maybe answer Phil and she's
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: got Maybe she's just.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: Excited because of that handsome dude up there on the
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: It was but the cool deal. So we did the
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: rest of our big, huge loop that day and then
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: came back at the end of the you know, in
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: the waning hours of the night, and the cabin and
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: the outhouse and everything had been rubbed by I can
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: only assume that bear because that would make it more powerful.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: But so I had big grisk scratches down the doors
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: and then uh you could we were pulling hair off
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: the logs and stuff.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: But I was subjective to get in there, you think.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: I think his objective was to be like, I wasn't
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: that scared. I swear to God and this is my
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: area because I mean it was early spring. You can't
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: tell by that photo, but you know it was like
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: we were the only people in there. All the all
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: the passes were all snowed over and stuff. It was
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: pretty spectacular, very good failure.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: Up next for throwback there is they would.
• 42:16
  Speaker 6: Geez, okay, here we go. This was tough for me.
• 42:20
  Speaker 6: I was just telling Spencer, my mom is in Europe,
• 42:23
  Speaker 6: and I texted her to send me pictures because.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: I do not have any.
• 42:27
  Speaker 6: So this is That is Mount Adams in Washington State.
• 42:33
  Speaker 6: This is Taclac Lake in the Gifford Pinchot National Forest
• 42:38
  Speaker 6: between the mounta Saint Helens and Mount Adams. This is
• 42:40
  Speaker 6: kind of our go to camping spot growing up. I
• 42:43
  Speaker 6: think this is probably two thousand and five. If I
• 42:46
  Speaker 6: had to say, there's me on the right there looking good,
• 42:51
  Speaker 6: Wait which one are you? And then the mariners hat. Yeah,
• 42:57
  Speaker 6: me's just I mean obviously gorgeous view of the mountain.
• 43:00
  Speaker 6: And then we do some fishing here and there's my
• 43:02
  Speaker 6: gene shorts and my Star.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: Wars give us a fishing report.
• 43:06
  Speaker 6: Well that's that was my next point. If you see
• 43:08
  Speaker 6: in all of these pictures it's just me with a rod.
• 43:11
  Speaker 6: I actually don't have any fish in my hands.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: Why is that?
• 43:13
  Speaker 6: I couldn't tell you. You know, you can you can
• 43:15
  Speaker 6: do the investigating yourself.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: Huh.
• 43:18
  Speaker 6: But yeah, this is These are the only pictures I
• 43:20
  Speaker 6: think I have of me fishing at all growing up.
• 43:25
  Speaker 6: So you didn't stick with it, Phil, I didn't stick
• 43:27
  Speaker 6: with it. I I enjoyed it, uh plenty. But you
• 43:30
  Speaker 6: know camping was time for me to to hike and canoe.
• 43:34
  Speaker 6: I didn't I didn't really want to touch the icky
• 43:36
  Speaker 6: fish that was my.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: I got to say age very well, Phil, Oh that's
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: yeah yeah.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: And do you appear to be holding the fishing rod
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: the right way? Which I just witnessed some folks in
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: Northern California, Northern California this last weekend not even having
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: that step right, spinning reel up.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: Yes, oh yeah, you hate to see.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: It, which we also had folks sending us I don't know,
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: probably a year or two ago in a sporting good
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: store printable ad that someone was holding a fishing rod
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: wrong in the Oh sad.
• 44:06
  Speaker 6: But yeah, I think they I think they stocked that
• 44:08
  Speaker 6: that lake with rainbows. But there's some some cut throat
• 44:12
  Speaker 6: in there as well. And I know this because I
• 44:13
  Speaker 6: just looked it up on the Scanania County, Washington Department
• 44:18
  Speaker 6: of Fish and Wildlife website.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: Good, now we know Phil's street cred for fishing it.
• 44:24
  Speaker 6: It's not non existent.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: All right, I'm gonna go next. This is me probably
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: like nineteen ninety five, nineteen ninety six, three or four
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: years old, and I am at Merriweather Marine in Yankton,
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: South Dakota. Meriweather Marine is a boat shop and one
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: time they had a motor that they were working on
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: where they found a bowl snake wrapped around the prop.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: And that snake's name was Bumpy. The thing had had
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: a messed up skeleton, it couldn't move correctly. I don't
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: think they felt good about releasing it again, so they
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: kept this snake as a pet, and whenever we were
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: in yank I would go, uh, see the thing and
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: hang out with uh with Bumpy.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: The ironic thing is is I hate snakes now. I
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: don't know what happened between this moment and that moment
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: where I could like happily handle a bull snake. And
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: now if I am walking out in the woods mushroom
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: hunting and I see one ten feet away slithering away
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: from me who's clearly scared, I will just get shivers
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: up and down my whole box. I can't explain it.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: It makes me feel the worst. One that I like,
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: I'm scared, and then two that I don't like that
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: I feel scared over a dang snake who doesn't want
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: anything to do with me. Yes, but back then I
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: was all about it. I was. I was a big
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: fan of Bumpy, so we'd.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: Go hct A multiple ranges.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's it's totally unreasonable, but I did not
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: possess that fear at that moment.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's a good memory, man, that's Americannor.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna ey whether marine make.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: The same comment I made about Phil, but the I
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: get the same like mammalian reflex. You know, I'm danger
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: about a snake. Yeah, but then I'm like, I'm gonna
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: catch it or I think that's built in.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would. I would like to be interested in
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: them enough to like pick one up and really mess
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: with the thing before letting it go, because I have
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: that instinct with frogs and salamanders, like totally love handling
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: them and encountering them. Not snakes though. All right, Phil,
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: or excuse me, Seth, Seth, you are last. What do
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: you got for throwback Thursday?
• 46:40
  Speaker 5: Oh? Let's see, we have three generations of morses here.
• 46:47
  Speaker 5: This is on my grand my grandfather on the left
• 46:50
  Speaker 5: called used to call them pops.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: He's no longer with us, but doing a little catch
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: and release. Yeah, you know, this is how you're supposed
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: to hold a trout by the gills.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: Uh huh.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: But now this is up in Maine.
• 47:04
  Speaker 5: My grand grandparents, they were school teachers and in the
• 47:07
  Speaker 5: summertime when they were off, they would they would be
• 47:12
  Speaker 5: camp counselors up in Maine.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: Nice.
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: So they ended up buying a place up there, and
• 47:16
  Speaker 5: I spent most of my childhood going to Maine every summer.
• 47:22
  Speaker 5: And uh yeah, it's kind of where I like learned
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: how to drive a boat. That that boat, that little
• 47:28
  Speaker 5: lund on the right there was like the first boat
• 47:29
  Speaker 5: I ever drove, and learned how to you know, handle
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: myself in a boat, and learned how to fish.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: And why would be nice to have ski goggles? Yeah exactly,
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: I'll give us a fishing report for that lake.
• 47:41
  Speaker 5: So this lake, it's it's a small lake. They call
• 47:43
  Speaker 5: them ponds up there, so yeah.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: Shilo pond, that's the main, right, But that thing ain't
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: a pond. Oh yeah, I mean like it traditionally someone
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: looking at me like, that's a dang lake.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah.
• 47:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah. This is the Belgrade Lakes region in Maine, and
• 48:00
  Speaker 5: and uh this was it's I would love I've never
• 48:04
  Speaker 5: fished this this lake with electronics, like it was purely visual,
• 48:10
  Speaker 5: like go to spots where you can see rocks, catch
• 48:12
  Speaker 5: small mouth. Go to spots where you can see weeds,
• 48:14
  Speaker 5: catch large mouth fish, structure fish like flip docks. Go
• 48:18
  Speaker 5: out in deep water and just sink a worm and
• 48:21
  Speaker 5: float for hours until you finally hit the school of
• 48:24
  Speaker 5: of white perch. You know, like that's the kind of
• 48:27
  Speaker 5: fishing we did. Very simple, and I haven't fished in years,
• 48:32
  Speaker 5: but it'd be fun to go back with like electronics
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: and just see like what's going Like what what was
• 48:38
  Speaker 5: what was I missing back then? You know, it's where
• 48:42
  Speaker 5: I cut my teeth on bass fishing. And we used
• 48:44
  Speaker 5: to May used to fish just all day out there,
• 48:47
  Speaker 5: just hours.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: I like pops rock in the action slacks. Oh yeah good.
• 48:53
  Speaker 5: The gray New Balance sneakers was you know made in Maine.
• 48:57
  Speaker 5: It was like every every old timer in Maine had
• 48:59
  Speaker 5: a New Balanced.
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: Very authentic. Joining us on the line last is Kip Adams,
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: the chief conservation officer at the National Deer Association. Kip
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: is here to give us an EHD report for deer
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: in each region. Kip, welcome to the show.
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: Hey, thanks for having me, Spencer, good to see you guys.
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: Good to see.
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: First thing, Kip explain what EHD is.
• 49:27
  Speaker 7: EHD stands for epizootic hemorrhagic disease.
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: It's a viral disease of deer.
• 49:32
  Speaker 7: It's it's probably the most common disease that the white
• 49:35
  Speaker 7: tails get. There's a few other deer species and some
• 49:38
  Speaker 7: livestock species that can get it as well, But from
• 49:41
  Speaker 7: a hundred standpoint, it's typically a disease we think of
• 49:44
  Speaker 7: late summer when you start finding dead deer near water sources.
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what are what are some of the signs that
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: we can look for to determine that a deer died
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: from EHD or maybe something else.
• 49:55
  Speaker 7: Yeah, Since it is a virus and it is a
• 49:57
  Speaker 7: hemorrhaging disease, we often can see you know, like red
• 50:00
  Speaker 7: puffy eyes, thick tongue, all the roomen can get all
• 50:06
  Speaker 7: messed up from a hundred standpoint, though, basically, these are
• 50:09
  Speaker 7: the deer that because they have fever, they end up
• 50:11
  Speaker 7: near water sources, so we find them dead and ponds
• 50:14
  Speaker 7: and ditches and cricks and the likes.
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: Why is it that some years in regions have a
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: lot of EHD while others don't.
• 50:23
  Speaker 7: Well, it's because the virus is carried by nseums. You know,
• 50:26
  Speaker 7: those little biting midges that drive us crazy. In the
• 50:29
  Speaker 7: summer years of drought, sees deer get sucked into these
• 50:33
  Speaker 7: water sources. And that's also years where we often have
• 50:37
  Speaker 7: a lot of the vector the midges that are their
• 50:39
  Speaker 7: carrying this. So when we have a drought we have
• 50:42
  Speaker 7: dry areas, deer get in and around these areas makes
• 50:46
  Speaker 7: it much easier for the midges who carry the disease
• 50:49
  Speaker 7: or you know, to bite a deer that has it
• 50:50
  Speaker 7: and then share that with another deer. So basically, deer
• 50:53
  Speaker 7: are congregated in areas that make it perfect for the
• 50:56
  Speaker 7: nseums to bite them and then transfer it from deer
• 50:59
  Speaker 7: to deer.
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: Is there anything that landowners can do to protect herds
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: from ehd.
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: Well not a lot.
• 51:06
  Speaker 7: The perfect breeding grounds for these midges are the muddy
• 51:10
  Speaker 7: areas around dried up water sources. So in areas where
• 51:15
  Speaker 7: we have a lot of rain and water sources are full,
• 51:17
  Speaker 7: we don't tend to see a bad hemorrhagic disease years.
• 51:20
  Speaker 7: But because of the droughts and deer are congregated, then
• 51:24
  Speaker 7: you have more of those exposed mudflats that makes it
• 51:26
  Speaker 7: way worse. So from a landowner end, in many cases,
• 51:29
  Speaker 7: there's not a lot that they can do unless they
• 51:32
  Speaker 7: have access to management of some of these areas. And
• 51:36
  Speaker 7: think of you know, like cattle ranchers, cattle ranchers that
• 51:39
  Speaker 7: let cattle into ponds. Those are terrible areas in bad
• 51:43
  Speaker 7: hemorrhagic disease years because of all the mud that's right
• 51:46
  Speaker 7: in and around them and the cattle disturbing that in
• 51:49
  Speaker 7: large part those spencer There's not a whole lot that
• 51:51
  Speaker 7: we can do to stop this. We can react if
• 51:55
  Speaker 7: you find a bunch of dead deer, you know that
• 51:57
  Speaker 7: year may be reducing antly less harvest if nests necessary,
• 52:01
  Speaker 7: But as far as specific things we can do to
• 52:03
  Speaker 7: try to safeguard against the disease, there's really nothing we
• 52:06
  Speaker 7: can do.
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: Okay, let's go region by region to talk about EHD
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: reports in twenty twenty five, starting with the Northeast.
• 52:13
  Speaker 7: What have you heard there, Well, there's at least five
• 52:17
  Speaker 7: states in the Northeast that have confirmed presents so far.
• 52:20
  Speaker 7: And basically this is worse in years where you have
• 52:25
  Speaker 7: a really wet spring followed by droughts. So droughts are
• 52:29
  Speaker 7: bad for this anyway, but they're even worse if you
• 52:32
  Speaker 7: start that off with a really wet spring because that
• 52:34
  Speaker 7: allows more of the noseums to breed. So the Northeast,
• 52:38
  Speaker 7: it was extremely wet in April and May then has
• 52:41
  Speaker 7: had almost no rain since. So the kind of the
• 52:44
  Speaker 7: mid Atlantic region Maryland, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Virginia, and New
• 52:50
  Speaker 7: York have thus confirmed it.
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: And it's pretty early for like this is.
• 52:54
  Speaker 7: At the beginning of the hemorrhagic disease season and we're
• 52:56
  Speaker 7: seeing a bunch of it already in the Northeast, So
• 53:00
  Speaker 7: are still really dry. It's set up to be a
• 53:02
  Speaker 7: really really bad year for this here in the Northeast.
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: But that's not like, don't go to Pennsylvania thing, right,
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: that can just be localized in certain areas of the state.
• 53:13
  Speaker 7: Yeah, you're exactly right, cal And the thing with hemorrhagic diseases,
• 53:16
  Speaker 7: first of all, not all deer that get the disease
• 53:19
  Speaker 7: die from it. Some will live, and if they live,
• 53:21
  Speaker 7: they develop antibodies against it. The ones that die, that
• 53:26
  Speaker 7: tends to be very localized. So like I'm in northern Pennsylvania,
• 53:30
  Speaker 7: fortunately there has been no disease in my area. However,
• 53:34
  Speaker 7: you know, twenty miles down the road it can hit
• 53:37
  Speaker 7: and people can lose a bunch of deer. So you're right,
• 53:39
  Speaker 7: it is very specific, very localized where deer get hit
• 53:43
  Speaker 7: hard by.
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: It and just nasty too, Like if you're on site
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: when this is happening, it is really brutal.
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: Kid you had mentioned, sorry, go ahead, go ahead. Nope,
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: Sara Spencer, you mentioned that not every deer dies who
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: gets EHD. If you were to kill a survivor, how
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: could you confirm that that deer maybe once had EHD
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: but lived through it.
• 54:07
  Speaker 7: One of the symptoms are they get sloughing of the hoves.
• 54:10
  Speaker 7: So the incubation period is very short, like five to
• 54:13
  Speaker 7: nine days. So if the deer's going to die from
• 54:15
  Speaker 7: it this year, it's going to be done. You're not
• 54:17
  Speaker 7: you're not going to be shooting in you know, bow
• 54:20
  Speaker 7: or rifle season. But if you do shoot a deer
• 54:23
  Speaker 7: this hont In season and you look at the hoves
• 54:25
  Speaker 7: and you can see like growth interruptions or what looks
• 54:28
  Speaker 7: like the hooves are sloughing off, that's a sure sign
• 54:30
  Speaker 7: that that deer had the disease, survived it and then
• 54:34
  Speaker 7: continued to live, you know, and start to grow again.
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: Wow, And to be clear that that deer is still
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: safe to eat, right, kid.
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: Yes, it is yep, absolutely, Okay.
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: What are we looking at for EHD in the South this.
• 54:45
  Speaker 4: Year, Well, it's ah.
• 54:48
  Speaker 7: We see six states so far to south that have
• 54:50
  Speaker 7: confirmed it be in Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Mississippi, Oklahoma, and Tennessee.
• 54:57
  Speaker 4: And the South has had this disease forever. And I vividly.
• 55:00
  Speaker 7: Remember when I was doing my undergraduate work at Penn State.
• 55:04
  Speaker 7: You know, we got to hemorrhagic disease. The professor said,
• 55:06
  Speaker 7: this is a disease a deer in the southeast moving.
• 55:09
  Speaker 4: On, and then that was it.
• 55:10
  Speaker 7: That is very different today it is today, this disease
• 55:16
  Speaker 7: is all across the US, it's up into Canada. Basically
• 55:20
  Speaker 7: it's warmer, so the midges just live in a lot
• 55:22
  Speaker 7: of places they didn't used to so, but the Southeast
• 55:25
  Speaker 7: has had it the longest, so those deer are more
• 55:28
  Speaker 7: used to it. And basically they have it everywhere in
• 55:31
  Speaker 7: the Southeast every year. But those deer are not hit
• 55:34
  Speaker 7: very hard, so usually not many of those deer die.
• 55:37
  Speaker 7: In the Northeast, where our deer are more naive, it
• 55:39
  Speaker 7: kills a snot out of them. But the southeast sixth
• 55:42
  Speaker 7: states so far, probably is not going to be nearly
• 55:45
  Speaker 7: as bad there as other parts of the country, partly
• 55:48
  Speaker 7: just because they've they've.
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: Been exposed to it for so long, they're just more
• 55:51
  Speaker 4: used to it.
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: Moving to the Midwest, I've seen the most EHD reports
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: out of Ohio this year. What are you hearing from
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: there and the rest of the region?
• 56:00
  Speaker 7: Five states in the Midwest so far have confirmed it.
• 56:03
  Speaker 7: That's Indiana, Kentucky, Ohio, Michigan, and Missouri. And of those
• 56:09
  Speaker 7: you are so far, it has been the worst. In Ohio.
• 56:11
  Speaker 7: There are literally hundreds and hundreds of dead deer in
• 56:15
  Speaker 7: Ohio all throughout the state. The southeast part of Ohio
• 56:19
  Speaker 7: has been hit worse than anywhere else, kind of right
• 56:21
  Speaker 7: across the border from West Virginia and not all that
• 56:24
  Speaker 7: far from Pennsylvania. But that region of the country has
• 56:27
  Speaker 7: been hit far harder, so farther than any place else.
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: Finally, what do we have for EHD in the West?
• 56:35
  Speaker 7: Two states so far, Idaho and Washington have both confirmed it.
• 56:38
  Speaker 7: The West typically doesn't get that bad of heemorrhagic disease.
• 56:42
  Speaker 7: Fingers crossed it'll be that way again this year because,
• 56:45
  Speaker 7: in addition to whitetails, mill deer can get it. Elk
• 56:48
  Speaker 7: can get it, although elk are less susceptible to it,
• 56:51
  Speaker 7: but pronghorn and big horn sheep can also get it.
• 56:54
  Speaker 7: So because of that, you know, the West is especially
• 56:57
  Speaker 7: sensitive to the disease. But thus far it's been pretty
• 57:00
  Speaker 7: light out there, and hopefully first frost comes in a
• 57:03
  Speaker 7: hurry that ends the midges, that ends the disease season.
• 57:06
  Speaker 7: So the first frost can't come quickly enough.
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: Last thing, Kip on a science front, is there anything
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: encouraging you can tell us about how biologists are working
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: to reduce EHD in America's favorite game animal.
• 57:20
  Speaker 7: Well, there's a lot of resources looking at doing a
• 57:22
  Speaker 7: better job predicting, you know, when it's going to be bad.
• 57:26
  Speaker 7: Because it's a virus, there's really nothing that we can
• 57:28
  Speaker 7: do to protect deer against it, but there's definitely some
• 57:32
  Speaker 7: ways you know, that we can at least predict if
• 57:34
  Speaker 7: we think it's going to be bad. Hence when I
• 57:36
  Speaker 7: mentioned earlier, you know it's worse and drought years, and
• 57:39
  Speaker 7: especially worse if it's preceded by a wet spring. So
• 57:43
  Speaker 7: there's a lot of disease folks just taking a look
• 57:45
  Speaker 7: at all those factors, trying to combine them just to
• 57:48
  Speaker 7: be able to help predict a little more for.
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: For hunters across the US.
• 57:52
  Speaker 7: I'm trying to understand if they're likely to have a
• 57:54
  Speaker 7: bad hemorrhagic disease year.
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: All right, Kip, thanks for fighting for deer, Thanks for
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: the EHD reports, Thanks for joining us.
• 58:01
  Speaker 4: Thanks see you guys, good luck this season.
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: You boys run across many EHD deaths in your day.
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: Handful. Yeah yeah, I mean the what Kip was saying
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: there about, you know, drought years, and then we would
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: see it also when you get like a little just
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: a little bit of reign in August and the those
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: midges would just explode. And I had a way back
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: when I used to we never guided archery deer or
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: or antelope. But so I would take that time to
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: go set up our outfitting camp in eastern Montana and
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: all all the stuff out there, clean everything up, and
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: it was amazing because I'd be the only person archery
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: hunting deer. And one year there's this bachelor group of
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: eight mule deer bucks that I kept sneaking in on
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: and definitely flung a couple of arrows. Never never connected,
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: but you know, had all this time to work these deer,
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: and eventually there were six and then five and then zero,
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: and every single one of those deer died.
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: All of them, damn, like while you were trying to
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: kill one.
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: Yes, uh yeah, And and those are the years like
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: where you can just smell the death, uh and the hay,
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: you know, hay was still still high, that last cutting
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: hadn't come off yet, and yeah, I mean just just gross. Yeah.
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: Kip had talked about how it's especially bad if you
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: have wet spring, dry summer. Similarly, it can be really
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: bad if you have a wet year followed by a
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: dry year. In southeastern South Dakota in twenty eleven, we
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: had record breaking rainfall. The Missouri River was like the
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: highest it had been in hundreds of years as far
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: as back as they could look. And then twenty twelve
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: was an extreme drought. So we had an extremely wet
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: followed by extremely dry and I personally found probably twenty
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: dead deer that summer that died from EHD. And what
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: I'll always remember is the smell cow just just brutal,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: And you could like follow your nose right to where
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: dead deer would be and we could be catfishing on
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: the Gym River in you know, August, and you would
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: know that, like somewhere within a mile and a half
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: here there are three or four dead deer from EHD
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: right now. Yeah, and you'll just like never forget that
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: overpowering like stench of death. And now when I'm outside,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: it's like very easy to confirm, like, oh, something died
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: over there a few weeks ago. Because of that twenty twelve,
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: you're finding all those EHD dead deer.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: Ye folks who would travel around with the with their saws,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: alls and and yeah, just pulling deer heads off. Yeah.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 5: A couple of years ago, my wife shot a mule
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 5: deer out in East Montana that the hooves were sloughing.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 5: Was that, yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't I don't you know,
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 5: I think they're related.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that it was actis bucken ahead domestic hoofs yep,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: cool buck real cool bock. I to the part of
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: South Dakota I was hunting in that twenty twelve. They
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: responded appropriately and cut back tags an enormous amount, and
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: it sucked. But then I personally had a theory that
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: we were gonna come out of this and be in
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: like this golden age of white tail hunting for that area,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: because these deer were not being bothered for years. If
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: there was like a one and a half year old
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: to two and a half year old that survived, EHD
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden the tag count in
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: that county went from one thousand to fifty. Those bucks
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: just lived for a couple of years not knowing what
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: it was like to be hunted or bothered. So I
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: really really enjoyed. That kept me going like, oh man,
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: this sucks and the deer a guy. But there's gonna
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: be some dumb deer after this.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Randall Williams said that on his trip through
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: Ohio he saw like yard signs saying stop the deer
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: hunt was a EHD.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, it's hard to argue with those folks.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 5: I got some cell cameras out in Pennsylvania right now,
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 5: and there's some bucks that were running around that I
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 5: haven't seen for a while, so hard to say what happened.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: They could still be there, but yeah, hopefully it's not
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: that all right.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: That brings us to the end of this week's show, Phil,
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: let's get some final feedback from the chat.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 6: Sure thing last call for questions. This is from Nate.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 6: He says, I am a bad cook? Or am I
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 6: a bad cook? Or are some birds just impossible to
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 6: get the skin crispy even among the same species.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: Cal, what do you get?
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Cal, very hard. I mean you have to dry
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: the heck out of that bird, So score the little
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: fatty bits just just enough to like scratch the skin
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: and allow that moisture to come out. Reb a little
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: salt on there, and then hang that thing up in
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: front of a window or even a fan, and like
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: get it to death. Cicade a little bit, and that's
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: your best shot. There's some other I was I never
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: followed up with them. I was talking to a food scientist,
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: super nice dude out of Oklahoma, and we were debating
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: about baking soda as this hack for getting dry skin
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: on birds, which is sometimes used with like big turkeys
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: and stuff. And there's some food science in there. I'll
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: dig that up and we'll maybe write an article or
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: something on it.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: But we were singing the praises of Danielle prove it earlier.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: She has an article on our website at the medeater
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: dot com how to get perfectly crispy skin on game
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: birds in about eight hundred words. There she gives you
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: all the details you need to know, as far as
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: how long to dry it, how much salt to apply
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: if you want to do a wet Brian instead, if
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: you're going to throw this thing in the oven and
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: cast iron skillet, what the temperature should be. So again,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: go check out Danielle's article how to get perfectly crispy
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: skin on game birds.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: But if you're talking like a quail, a dove, hungarian partridge,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: even sharp tail grouse, all those birds are great in
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: the defat Friar. Yeah, and that's Ginn's crispy.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 6: What else, Scott Phil, First, this is from a different Nate,
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 6: He says, Spencer. My kids just picked up their forty third,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 6: forty fourth, forty fifth, forty six, and forty seventh junior
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 6: Ranger Badgess last week, and they also found two fossils
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 6: at bad lands and got a special patch for that.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: Good. That's awesome, That's that's good parenting. That's that's fun
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: for them. I bet they appreciate it now and they're
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: gonna appreciate it in the future for sure.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 6: Ethan asked Cal thanks for mentioning the fond situation I
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 6: sent to you on Cal of the Wild. What sources
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 6: should I send people to about CWD other than Uncle Ted?
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 6: Thanks a bunch before you jump in, I will say
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 6: in about a week and a half, I believe you've
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 6: got a pretty all encompassing podcast that Cal is actually
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 6: a part of with the Turkey doc Mike Chamberlain, but
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 6: also his one of his buddies, Mark Ruter, who studies
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 6: like free ranging disease pathology or it teaches it at
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 6: the College of Vet Medicine at the University of Georgia.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 6: So that's a pretty wide ranging conversation that Steve has
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 6: with them. But Cal, if you have anything else, I would.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: Wait for this podcast to come out because it's got
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: the most up to date information on CWD and it's
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: uh if you're interested in it, it is. It is
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: a very good podcast. It it's a it's going to
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: be a great source for for people to be up
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: to date the nuts and bolts of of CWD Right
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: now is you need to uh turn in your information
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: lymph nodes, report deer that you find that you think
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: may have died from CWD. The push is to manage
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: like hyper local for CWD. So if you have let's
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: say you have CWD case here in bos Angelus, the
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: entire state isn't going to start reducing deer numbers. And
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: in fact that now because they're trying to figure out
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: where each county, each region, each CWD zone is on
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: the scale of CWD, on the growth scale that they
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: can plot very effectively. Now there may be instances where
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: that data says, don't harvest dose. We need to help
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: the population rebound. On the other side of the scale,
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: it could be harvest more deer, especially the bucks. Don't
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: let them go because we're going to try to knock
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: it down and get c CWD to stabilize at ideally
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: a lower prevalence rate.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 6: So do what they tell you to do.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: Don't be transporting things all over the place and disposing
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: of spinal columns and brain buckets in places where deer
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: can come in contact with them. Take them to a landfill,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: find your local Doug Durham with the good deer dumpster
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: and get those things taken care of properly and turn
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: in your lymph nodes. Help build this base for good
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: effective scientific management.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: And our last guest, Kip Adams. He's from the National
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: Deer Association. They do a great job of having common
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: sense takes on things like this while still balancing the science.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: So go check out what NDA has to say on stuff.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: They'll also do a nice job of explaining things in
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: layman's terms, so Ethan's buddy could come away from that
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: have a better understanding.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: Of yep, for sure.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 6: Mogor wants to know what each of your longest hunts
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 6: in the back country was, like the longest stretch of
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 6: time you were off the grid.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: Cality gun.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: Oh, it just makes me cry thinking about the good
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: old days and many many trips in that like probably
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: sub fifteen day range, but between ten and fifteen days,
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: like lots of those trips. And you know, guiding is
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: a little bit different where you like you stay back
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: back there and then the clients kind of rotate in
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: and out, so a couple of months here and there.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: But as like good solid I am hunting backpack trip,
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: I would say, on average like thirteen days.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: I don't have any real impressive backcountry status like cow
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: my longest deer hunts though, where I'm just like car camping,
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: sleeping in a tent Kansas. I think I went for
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: eight days, probably like six years ago. In Wyoming, I
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: think four years ago I had eight days sleeping in
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: my tent trying to kill a deer, and both of
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: those I killed my deer. The Wyoming one, I pushed
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: my deadline like an extra day, like I'm gonna stay
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: one more day, and then I killed one that morning.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: So it was very, very satisfying ending for me. Nic Seth, Yeah,
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: I got.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 5: I think ten days is my longest, but several, you know,
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 5: eight nine, ten day up in Alaska. Mostly mostly those
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 5: are the longer trips.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 6: So Phil, let's do two more, all right? This is
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 6: from Kyle and a different comment. He says that he's
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 6: a proud randomble and then apologizes to me for that
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 6: as if I'm not also a proud rand So Kyle,
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 6: I'm on your team. But I'm saying he's starting his
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 6: fall turkey hunt. This is coming Monday, and he tips
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 6: on fall versus spring turkeys, says he has a stand
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 6: decoy and calls but not sure what he should folk
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 6: on hens and Tom's are allowed in Michigan. You guys
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 6: do a lot of fall turkey.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 5: Any advice I used to back in the day and
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 5: back in when I was living in Pennsylvania. We used
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 5: to do it, but we always would just find them
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  Speaker 5: and try and break them up and call them back in.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I've killed two fall turkeys in my life. Both times
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: it was just opportunistic that was deer hunting. Knew there
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  Speaker 2: maybe be some turkeys nearby, spotted them, got my shotgun,
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  Speaker 2: went and killed one. I don't have any good strategy
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  Speaker 2: for you, though, Kyle cal I.
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  Speaker 1: Think my maybe been one of my first turkeys ever,
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  Speaker 1: if not the first bearded hand in the fall. I
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: got her right in the back of the head and
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: she was running away from its perfect. Yeah. You know,
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  Speaker 1: fall turkeys would be targets opportunity that white meat's so
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: scarce in the freezer. Oh yeah, It's like it's real
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  Speaker 1: hard to pass them up if you have a have
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  Speaker 1: a tag for one.
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  Speaker 2: Just a lot of eyeballs. That time of year, they're
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  Speaker 2: gonna they're gonna be in some bigger flocks. So I
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: did to make a shot where they're running away in
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  Speaker 2: the back of the head.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of running involved in the fall
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  Speaker 1: turkey from what I've seen.
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  Speaker 2: We have an article on our website just called Fall
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  Speaker 2: Turkey hunting Tips from Tony Peterson. Tony's one of the
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: best dang turkey hunters I know, so I'd trust the
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  Speaker 2: words that he can offer you in that article.
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  Speaker 6: One more, Phil Chase is going to Lake Erie next
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  Speaker 6: weekend for a four hour trip two to six pm seth.
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  Speaker 6: Should he target walleye perch or bass?
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: Mmm? You got. If you're going to Erie, you gotta
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: catch walleye.
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  Speaker 2: I like that.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's big ones there. Yeah, catch them Walleye. Yeah.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: That Eerie fishing that we did too, like the dragon
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: Rapola Rapola's around was just shockingly automatic, very productive.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and yeah, that's like historically Eerie is like a
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 5: trolling lake, but now a lack of structure, right, Yeah,
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 5: and but yeah, there are a lot of refishing. Well,
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 5: there's a lot of like suspended fish in Erie. But
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 5: these days, with forward facing sonar, I think that's kind
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 5: of starting to shift where people are casting to them
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 5: more than trolling these days. Maybe not more then, but
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 5: they're starting to do more of that.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: On Erie. We did a big wind drift day a
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: friend of mine and I have this several years ago
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: and just you know, leaded jig heads and like you know,
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: goofy looking plastics and just tapping the bottom on the
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: wind drift. And it was very fun because you were
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: just constantly picking up something between a catfish, drum, walleye bass. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it was great. Well, there you go. Do that, then
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: you'll catch all kinds of different stuff. That sounds fun,
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: all right.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: Well, last reminder the Meat Eater Christmas Tour happening this December.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: Go to the meadeater dot com La tour for those
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: details and pre sale access. And while you're there, check
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: out the tailgate tour. We got four stops left. We'd
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: love to hang out with you guys. See you guys
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: talk hatton fish and everything else. All right, See you
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: back your same time place next week. By now,