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ITB Contract Series: Who's Contract Situation Is More Under The Microscope – Hurts or Barkley? · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Inside the Birds is back. What's going on? Everybody? It
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  Speaker 1: is Jeff Mosher, It's Adam Kaplan.
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  Speaker 2: We're in June and we are going to start a
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  Speaker 2: podcast series that we do every year, and I think
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  Speaker 2: we make it better every year. And what we do
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  Speaker 2: it's called our Annual Contract Series, right where we look
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  Speaker 2: at contracts on the Eagles and help our viewers, our
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  Speaker 2: listeners understand what those contracts really mean. We go inside
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  Speaker 2: the language and explain what that means about that player's future.
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  Speaker 1: Because it's Adam.
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  Speaker 2: You know in the NFL, how your contract is structured
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  Speaker 2: and the guaranteed money is king in the NFL. When
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  Speaker 2: you have a lot of it, your job is usually
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  Speaker 2: pretty secure. It when you don't have a lot of
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  Speaker 2: it left, it's not necessarily so.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, because and this is why having a good agent
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  Speaker 3: so important, because structure matters, right, Because I know some
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  Speaker 3: agents are like, Okay, I want a ton of full
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  Speaker 3: guaranteed money. I don't care what the apy is. It
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  Speaker 3: means average per season. Where some agents go, look, if
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  Speaker 3: they're guaranteeing my guy this kind of money, they're not
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  Speaker 3: going to cut him after two years, right, So I
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  Speaker 3: don't need to get this in year three. I want
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  Speaker 3: super high salary in the first two years, like and
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  Speaker 3: then sometimes you're a prisoner to the structure. The packers
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  Speaker 3: do a structure which they will not change. Andrew Brand
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  Speaker 3: started it. By the way, ironically, it's massive side and bonus,
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  Speaker 3: huge salary. You're one and that's it. That's all your
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  Speaker 3: guaranteed money. But you're getting so much in year one.
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  Speaker 3: If you suck in your two, they're probably not going
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  Speaker 3: to cut you your three. If you suck, you're gonna
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  Speaker 3: get cut. Yeah, that's the way it is. But so
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  Speaker 3: it structure matters, yep. And we'll get to Barclay's contract.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, they went crazy with the extension, but it's
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  Speaker 3: not like they guaranteed the money through twenty thirty, like
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  Speaker 3: because he's a running back. They only did it for
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  Speaker 3: a certain year and this is the last year fully
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  Speaker 3: guaranteed money of sitting right, right.
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  Speaker 2: So in the past when we've done this kind of
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  Speaker 2: like we used to do I mean early on, we
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  Speaker 2: would do it in all one episode.
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  Speaker 1: It'd be an hour and a half, and then we
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  Speaker 1: decided it'd.
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  Speaker 2: Be better do offense and defense, and then we would
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  Speaker 2: split him that and then each one would be you know,
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  Speaker 2: forty five minutes to fifty. But then even still you're
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  Speaker 2: not We weren't able to go inside each position as much.
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  Speaker 2: So what we decided this year we're going to do
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  Speaker 2: is break it down to position groups, two groups for pod,
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  Speaker 2: make it a series, and that will enable us to
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  Speaker 2: really get each and every guy whose contract is worth
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  Speaker 2: We're not going to do all ninety guys, you know,
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  Speaker 2: ninety on the roster, but we will get through the
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  Speaker 2: really important contracts that means something. So we'll start off
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  Speaker 2: here in the first of this series with the most
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  Speaker 2: important position, quarterback, and we'll go quarterback.
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  Speaker 1: And running back in this podcast. So let's start quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: Adam and we have had a lot of discussions about
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  Speaker 2: Jill Hurts this off season, not just contract related.
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  Speaker 1: I know there's been others putting it out.
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  Speaker 2: There in the atmosphere that you know, oh, hey, look,
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  Speaker 2: the Eagles haven't done anything with his contract, so that
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  Speaker 2: must mean something.
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  Speaker 1: But we'll talk about that.
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  Speaker 2: But really we've talked about the acclimation to the offense,
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  Speaker 2: and this all ties in. I mean, he's acclimating to
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  Speaker 2: a new offense. He no longer has Aj Brown his
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  Speaker 2: preferred target, and he is entering a year where the
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  Speaker 2: money in the guaranteed money starts to get a lot
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  Speaker 2: less than it was a year or two ago.
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  Speaker 3: Yep, he is signed through twenty twenty eight. All the
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  Speaker 3: money the season is full of guaranteed, all the cash
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  Speaker 3: fifty one point five million. Now this is where it
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  Speaker 3: gets interesting. After this season, he's got twenty three million
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  Speaker 3: full of guaranteed in twenty seven of the fifty one
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  Speaker 3: point five million, and then there's no guaranteed money in
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  Speaker 3: twenty eight. So if I'm Hurts and Nicole in his agent,
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  Speaker 3: if he kicks asked the season into the scheme being
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  Speaker 3: seeing where the quarterback money's going, I'm gonna want a
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  Speaker 3: new deal. That's if he again, he's got to prove
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  Speaker 3: it though he's been on this downward slide. But you
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  Speaker 3: the quarterback position. We don't talk about this enough. The
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  Speaker 3: Kurt Warner situation where he went from being looked like
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  Speaker 3: he was punched, drunk with the giants, like he was toast.
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  Speaker 3: He was done, like this is it. He's gonna He's
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  Speaker 3: going to Journeymansville, the worst kind of Journeymansville. That's where
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  Speaker 3: Carson wentz is Yep. Then he somehow miraculously puts the
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  Speaker 3: Cardinals on his back. He lifts the team up to
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  Speaker 3: the Super bowlkins the Steelers, like he was unbelievable. The
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  Speaker 3: quarterback position, you could always reinvent yourself. Rich Gannon did it,
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  Speaker 3: by the way, okay with the Raiders with John Grueney
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  Speaker 3: found the scheme and the timing late in his career
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  Speaker 3: was phenomenal MVP. And he was actually an MVP with
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  Speaker 3: the Raiders, so you could all and Jalen's not even
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  Speaker 3: thirty yet he's well, he's he's much younger than it.
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  Speaker 3: So we'll see what happens. But contracts matter, and clubs
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  Speaker 3: structure it. They unless you have unbelievable leverage, the clubs
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  Speaker 3: will always have the structure by their side. It's more
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  Speaker 3: team friendly. Hurts had it. Hurts had somewhat of a
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  Speaker 3: team friendly contract. But the good thing is least he's
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  Speaker 3: got some guaranteed money, where let's say he didn't have
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  Speaker 3: any guaranteed money in twenty seven. Not that they would
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  Speaker 3: cut him if he sucks the season, they trade him first.
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  Speaker 3: Obviously he's too young. You got you gotta wait, right,
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  Speaker 3: but the player would have no leverage, whereas it having
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  Speaker 3: just under twenty three million. That's fully guaranteed in twenty three,
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  Speaker 3: excuse me, in twenty seven. Makes a club think about it.
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  Speaker 3: If he doesn't play.
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  Speaker 2: Well, absolutely, And to your point, if Jalen Hurts has
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  Speaker 2: a really good season, takes the new offense really well,
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  Speaker 2: not only will he want a new contract, I would
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  Speaker 2: think the Eagles would jump at the opportunity to give
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  Speaker 2: him one, because by offseason there's gonna be a lot
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  Speaker 2: of quarterbacks resetting the market. I mean, first of all,
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  Speaker 2: Cale Williams will be up, Drake May will be up,
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  Speaker 2: Bo Knicks will be up.
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  Speaker 1: Jade and Daniels could be up.
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  Speaker 2: And now I'm not saying all four of those are
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  Speaker 2: gonna go have all pro seasons, but they all could
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  Speaker 2: have really good seasons.
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  Speaker 1: Certainly, Daniels could bounce back.
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  Speaker 2: Knicks has already been to an AFC Championship, May has
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  Speaker 2: been to a super Bowl, and I don't think those
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  Speaker 2: teams got any worse, right, And Caleb Williams certainly showed
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  Speaker 2: you last year he's gonna be their their QB and
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  Speaker 2: and with that offensive scheme, right, and then there'll be
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  Speaker 2: a couple of like you know, Stafford's deal was just redone.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know where Goff is, but the reality is
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  Speaker 2: you're gonna find guys on rookie deals resetting the market,
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  Speaker 2: and then you're gonna find a couple of veterans who
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  Speaker 2: may perform well and wind up getting raising the number two.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't think the Eagles have any issue getting
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  Speaker 2: ahead of that if they can, if Jillen Hurts is
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  Speaker 2: a good year and giving him a contract extension.
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  Speaker 1: Five years, but it'll be like be redoing it.
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  Speaker 3: They're gonna have. Eagles have to take it. Like speak
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  Speaker 3: of what you're talking about. Eagles are gonna have to
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  Speaker 3: take care of Dvante's miss contract. They have to do it.
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  Speaker 3: It's so it was light when they did it. And
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  Speaker 3: now the group is I mean, guys who are not
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  Speaker 3: even remotely close to as good as Davante. You're getting
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  Speaker 3: big time deals. Drake Lonnon is a good player, but
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  Speaker 3: he's not Davante Smith. Yeah, we're not Eagles. Homer's folks
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  Speaker 3: know this. We in fact, we get caught. We we
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  Speaker 3: get people saying we're too negative against Eagles. We're not
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  Speaker 3: tell the truth. But DeVante Smith me, look.
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  Speaker 1: What the Colt guy got, the guy from the Colt's got.
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  Speaker 3: Oh Alex Pierce, that one bothered. I again, Great John.
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  Speaker 1: Wider in the NFL was clapping for that one.
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  Speaker 3: He say, one trick, pony. He's just a night ro
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  Speaker 3: out runner. Alex Pierre's twenty eight point five per year.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, you're kidding me. Davante's way better than him.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.
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  Speaker 3: It's a great contract. I mean, and they had leveraged
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  Speaker 3: he had, I know for a fact, he had money
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  Speaker 3: line up elsewhere. Chris Ballard paddicked and overpaid him.
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  Speaker 1: Yep. And I'm sure every GM in the NFL who
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  Speaker 1: has a good wide receiver is not happy with that.
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  Speaker 3: No. See, he's not well rounded. Is there a more
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  Speaker 3: well rounded receive for the National Footb League than Devonte?
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  Speaker 3: He does everything well.
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  Speaker 1: It's hard to find. I mean, you know, like there's Pooka.
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  Speaker 2: I'm trying to think there's just a very few who
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  Speaker 2: do everything well. Jamar Chase obviously, by the way.
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  Speaker 3: Pooka gets hurt a lot. He does, got his off
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  Speaker 3: the field issue he's got to get through. But contracts matter,
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  Speaker 3: and that's the point of doing this. So yeah, hurts,
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  Speaker 3: you just hurt the hurt situation. Now the key. As
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  Speaker 3: we turn our attention to Tanner mckeye. He's on the
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  Speaker 3: last year of his rookie deal one point four to
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  Speaker 3: five million. One point one four five million, excuse me.
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  Speaker 3: In fact, Andy Dalton will make more money technically at
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  Speaker 3: one point five million. What I find interesting is I
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  Speaker 3: don't most people probably don't even realize this. So they
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  Speaker 3: replaced Andy Dalton as their number two quarterback with Kenny Pickett.
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  Speaker 3: The Panthers did yeah, and trust me when I say this,
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  Speaker 3: they were more than willing to owe him guaranteed money.
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  Speaker 3: They didn't want Dalton back his standing. They just they
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  Speaker 3: wanted to move on. They thought he was at thirty eight.
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  Speaker 3: You know, he's near the end. He's healthy, there's nothing
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  Speaker 3: wrong with them. But the Eagles liked him. As we
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  Speaker 3: said three years ago, they it was either going to
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  Speaker 3: be Dalton here or to Carolina. Andy made a decision
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  Speaker 3: to go to the Panthers, and the Panthers had a
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  Speaker 3: guarantee of this season. His whole salary is guaranteed, and
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  Speaker 3: the Panthers were more than willing to pay two and
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  Speaker 3: a half million of it. They found so on to
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  Speaker 3: take one point five of it. Eagles will pay that
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  Speaker 3: and that's what he's going to make this season finally
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  Speaker 3: of his deal. So they've always liked Andy Dalton and
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  Speaker 3: he's here. They've got they've got depth of quarterback. It's
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  Speaker 3: always good to have that. So they're basically investing point
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  Speaker 3: two So they're basically investing in their backup quarterbacks. Two
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  Speaker 3: point seven million not bad.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, which is not which is great.
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  Speaker 2: I mean there used to be a time, you know,
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  Speaker 2: where it costs a lot of money to have. Remember
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  Speaker 2: they made Chase Daniel the highest paid quarterback backup quarterback
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  Speaker 2: one year.
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  Speaker 3: If you remember, crazy, Oh my god, I remember.
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  Speaker 2: And then they had to bring back Nick Foles after
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  Speaker 2: winning the Super Bowl on something ridiculous. Uh so, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: this is what I mean. That's really what led to
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  Speaker 2: the whole philosophy of getting like Jalen Hurt's second round pick,
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  Speaker 2: a guy you phil can be your starter if he
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  Speaker 2: needed to be at the time, and win games for
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  Speaker 2: you as a backup, but while being cost controlled.
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  Speaker 1: At the same point.
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  Speaker 2: Ever since, the Eagles have done a really good job
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  Speaker 2: of having cost controlled backups who can go in and
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  Speaker 2: win games, whether it was Gardner Minshew for example. Now
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  Speaker 2: I do think it's a little strange that the Panthers
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  Speaker 2: are basically they're paying to get rid of Andy Dalton
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  Speaker 2: so that they could replace him with Kenny Pickett. That
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  Speaker 2: one's a little whacking to me, but you know, teams
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  Speaker 2: do some strange things sometimes.
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  Speaker 3: It's listen, they not every team. We know this. They
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  Speaker 3: don't see players the same way. And they're paying what
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  Speaker 3: this is hilarious. Guess what they paying Kenny Pickett the
• 11:00
  Speaker 3: season four million dollars exactly really exactly the same number
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  Speaker 3: they would pay any Dalton this season.
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  Speaker 1: That's coat.
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  Speaker 3: And they see Kenny pick who's way younger, more athletic,
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  Speaker 3: they seem as a better football player. They're telling you,
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  Speaker 3: as we say they they they're telling what they think
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  Speaker 3: of the Dalton right like any washed Eagles don't. And
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  Speaker 3: Andy Dalton from one understanding is they're really going he
• 11:24
  Speaker 3: looks great, and you know we'll see admits. It's only OTAs,
• 11:28
  Speaker 3: which is what we've equated double a baseball. It's doesn't
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  Speaker 3: really mean anything, but it's better look than not good.
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  Speaker 3: So that's the quarterback position in the Eagles. If you
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  Speaker 3: look at the position, Stafford signed for one year and
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  Speaker 3: fifty five million m HM. So the Eagles aren't investing
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  Speaker 3: a ton of money. It's not like they're over market.
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  Speaker 3: And Cole Payton's going to make eight just under nine
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  Speaker 3: hundred grand the season, which is not guaranteed by the way.
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  Speaker 2: Right, and I should have mentioned at the top, we're
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  Speaker 2: not really going to get into rookies and on the
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  Speaker 2: Eagles in their contracts because they're all slotted. They don't
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  Speaker 2: they don't mean anything right now because they're all in
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  Speaker 2: first year of either four or potentially five year deals.
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  Speaker 2: Just real last thing on the key though, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I guess the the interesting thing will be if he
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  Speaker 2: still you know, I still think that there's like a
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  Speaker 2: small chance, you know, during camp you get traded if
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  Speaker 2: somebody loses a quarterback, and because it's really the pecking
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  Speaker 2: order doesn't make sense.
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  Speaker 1: We've talked about this.
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  Speaker 2: But you kind of wonder what contract he might be
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  Speaker 2: in line for in the offseason depending on what happens
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  Speaker 2: with him this season, if he is still with the Eagle,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if there's a chance he may not get
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  Speaker 2: into any games, or just like a resting starters.
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  Speaker 3: Weekend's you would have on on your point, you'd have
• 12:38
  Speaker 3: to go on last year's tap against Washington, which was
• 12:40
  Speaker 3: not very good. The Giants tape was very good. You'd
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  Speaker 3: have to go through. His preseason tape is really good
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  Speaker 3: except for the one game which was it his rookie
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  Speaker 3: was that the Minnesota game?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there was one game where he wasn't didn't shine.
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  Speaker 3: I mean that was yeah, but very well liked around
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  Speaker 3: the league. Now you have to weigh that versus Okay,
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  Speaker 3: the early word on the twenty seven quarterback class is
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  Speaker 3: good for the draft, but you got to get through
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  Speaker 3: the season first. Always explain to people it all sounds great.
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  Speaker 3: And Garrett Nessmeyer's the best example of this, very well
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  Speaker 3: loved in scouting world. He had he had the back issue,
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  Speaker 3: medical issue. He had to get through it, and he
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  Speaker 3: he dropped. In fact, he barely got drafted the Chiefs
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  Speaker 3: Drafte Brown.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if if he can stay healthy, then maybe
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  Speaker 2: the Chiefs got something there interesting as a back.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, big time.
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  Speaker 1: Sure talent was there. Didn't they do that with their
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  Speaker 1: the guard Tray Smith? Didn't they get him really late?
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  Speaker 3: Also, injury six might have been medical. Yeah it is.
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  Speaker 3: I mean you're talking about an elite player, Tray Smith.
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  Speaker 3: It's around in twenty one. Yeah, I mean you got
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  Speaker 3: to give Bread Veach and his group credit. Man, what
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  Speaker 3: a player.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, all right, So let's go to the
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  Speaker 1: running back. So Barkley.
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  Speaker 2: Saquon Barkley's become pretty interesting because at the after his
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  Speaker 2: great twenty twenty four season, when he broke the single
• 14:04
  Speaker 2: season and regular i'm sorry, the regular season end postseason
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  Speaker 2: record for rushing, the Eagles did something technically have to do,
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  Speaker 2: but a good business would do, and that would be
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  Speaker 2: guaranteeing more money over later years of his deal.
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  Speaker 3: Correct. Yeah, they wound up extending his deal for two
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  Speaker 3: years and guaranteeing thirty six million, and the average per
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  Speaker 3: year went first time in NFL history running back went
• 14:28
  Speaker 3: over twenty million. Twenty point six million. Like you said,
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  Speaker 3: they didn't have to do it, they did right by him.
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  Speaker 3: So now this is where cont like details matter. So
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  Speaker 3: after this season, in twenty seven, of the sixteen million
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  Speaker 3: in cash, it's they only guaranteed two point five million
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  Speaker 3: that So what this tells me is if he does
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  Speaker 3: not play well this season, it's hard to justify bringing
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  Speaker 3: him back as great as he was now obviously had
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  Speaker 3: the big drop off, but so it's it's something we
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  Speaker 3: got to watch the season and having gret co Cel
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  Speaker 3: who works for us, will tell us what the tape
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  Speaker 3: looks like. But I find an interesting structurally the way
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  Speaker 3: that they did this thing. It's pretty interesting.
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  Speaker 1: So what exactly is his number this year? Is it all?
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  Speaker 1: It's still over twenty million this year?
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  Speaker 3: All right? This year? Let me see, um, sixteen point
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  Speaker 3: seventy five million. Okay, Now what I don't have is
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  Speaker 3: I don't know when his option bonus is vest but
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  Speaker 3: the option bonus is carried in. Yeah, it's just under
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  Speaker 3: seventeen million. What happens is to raise it up the
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: back at like in twenty eight it's nineteen point two million. Like,
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  Speaker 3: there's certain there's certain little things put in here to
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  Speaker 3: raise the number. Plus he's got incentives in it that
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  Speaker 3: bring it up. Yeah. So yeah, there's certain things that
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  Speaker 3: could bring He's got some really big time incentives in it.
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  Speaker 3: They're bringing over twenty million each year.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got to hit them.
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  Speaker 2: So the question for the purposes of why we do
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  Speaker 2: this podcast this specific one, is he guaranteed to be
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  Speaker 2: on the roster in twenty twenty seven, no salary.
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  Speaker 3: No, you could walk away from home two point five
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  Speaker 3: million that's guaranteed of the total cash you could walk
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  Speaker 3: away from that.
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  Speaker 1: So that means this is a big year for sake.
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  Speaker 3: Qual absolutely why And by the way.
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: He if he just has his career numbers, if he's
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: somewhere in like the twelve to fourteen hundred yards.
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: And a couple, he's fine.
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: I'm not We're not trying to say like he has
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: to go out there and go challenge Eric Dickerson again
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: for any rushing you know, record book stuff.
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: But he's got to be he's got to be really good.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's got to be Saquon Barkley.
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: Listen. He's got incentives in each year where he could
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: bring it each year to literally I don't have a total,
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: I haven't totally yet, but well over twenty million. But
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: he's got to he's got to play great, right, you know.
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: But they they did right by him. I give them
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: credit and that. But there's an end aid to this thing,
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: and it's after the season.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, that'll be interesting.
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: Now, that doesn't mean if he has a great season
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: that they have to do anything.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't contract.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: No, they did it if he has another unless unless
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: he does something just so like twenty five hundred yards
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: like so amazing and which won't happen.
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: But look if he runs for seventeen hundred and everything's great, great,
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: then he's going to hit some incentives. Right, you can
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: have a great year you don't do anything. That's why
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: they're built in there to reward.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: Him one awesome all right.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: His backup tank Bigsby, one of his backups. He was
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: acquired in a trade from the Jaguars. So he's still
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: on his rookie deal if I'm not mistaken.
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: He is. So this is the founity of his rookie
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: deal and he's going to make just over one point
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: four million, which is not guaranteed. He is, he's a
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: clear backup. There's no competition for it. Yeah, and he's
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: the only thing is what is who sees third third down?
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: Marklee certainly see some shipley and that's pretty much now. Now,
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: could Elijah Mitchell he off injered to Elijah Mitchell challenge,
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: we'll see. I mean he's a he knows this offense.
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: He's a one cut runner. This is why he's here. Right.
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: Then this guy Damian Pierce who's signed a one year
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: deal worth one point three million. They did guarantee two
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: hundred and fifty thousand at signing of his one point
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: one five million salary, and then Digos are one of
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: the few teams that do this for these back end
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: of the roster players. Maybe it's cold. He agreed to it,
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: so he must care. They gave him a game one
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: roster bonus, so if he's on not only the fifty three,
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: he's got to be on. He can't be an active
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: Game one. If he makes the roster and is on
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: the game day roster, he gets an extra fifty grand.
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: Oh okay, that's worth it. I mean, if you're only
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: gonna make one point three million, yeah, you probably have
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: someone motivation, yeah you know, but yeah, yeah, so, and
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: the total would be just one point two and nine
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: million is exact cash number. Right.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: So to get back to Bigsby, with him this being
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: the last year of his deal, with him being.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: The top backup, with him being in an offense he's
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: played the Jaguars blocking scheme isn't very different than what
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: we expect Sean Manion to bring in. He's a good
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: one cut runner. It's hard to see him with the
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: Eagles pass this year. As long as he does his
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: job because he should get some attention on the free
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: agent market, and the Eagles aren't gonna want to pay
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: a lot of money for a backup. So unless he's
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: just okay and you can bring him back next year
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: on a one year deal, then he's probably headed somewhere.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: This is probably you would think. The last year for Bigsby.
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: I mean Gamewell, it was between minor staying was then
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: it was between Gainwell for Gainwells the Eagles and the Steelers,
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: and Steelers game a little bit above the minimum mm hmmm.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: Because he goes you have to Chipley. So they didn't.
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: They felt like, you know, how much, how could we
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: how much could we pay him? Now? They missed the
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: one third down pass protection and who they held know
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: he would lead the Steelers. He would lead the Steelers
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: in receptions. I mean, that's that shouldn't happen. That that
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: tells you how bad Arthur Smith was right that that's
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: ridiculous what you're paying DK Metcalf mm hmm. That's embarrassing.
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: So Pierce really does not fit the zone scheme.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: He's better, he's better in a gap scheme like he
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: would have been better more for Stalin because he was phenomenal.
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: Pierce was his rookie season, yep. And then they changed
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: the blocking scheme and Houston is my understanding at the time,
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: so he has not been the same since.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know when they made that sign and you
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: and I said, I don't understand this from a schematic standpoint.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: He's runner and up the gut guy. And yeah, a.
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: Friend of mine told me, he goes do it, you know,
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: he he's this is the type of runner he is.
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: I had the greatest tape for free agency for you know,
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: for a while, and he just he's bounced around and
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: but hey, Heagles like something from him.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: So, uh, Girad Johnson was with him in Houston.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: M hmm.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: I think about you know, over the years. So we'll
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: see what happens. Rad Johnson's an offensive assistant for the Eagles.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: And then there's Carson Steele got a one year deal
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: with no guaranteed money at one point five million, currently
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: nursing something. That's it for the running backs.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: Yep, Shipley has the most to gain.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: I mean, obviously he's he's this will be year three
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: and yeah, for whatever reason, Bigsby's hurt or Shimpley plays
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: a bigger role and gets the catch.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: The new offense helps him catch passes.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: He can kind of like reveal himself as a good
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: versatile backup and maybe there's some potential there.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: But he's he's under contract for this year and.
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: Next, so yes, he'll make one point seventy five million.
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: The guarantees all came in a signingponus might because he
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: plays specials. You know, he's got really good straight line speed.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: Even if he doesn't have a good camp, it's more
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: likely than not he'd be on the roster. It's certainly
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: not a lock. He's got to be better. He didn't
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: have a great year.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's call it.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: We love Will Andrew and I interviewed him for WBCB.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: He was awesome, great dude, real foodie. But he's got reform.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: You know, he's got.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: Powerful So just yeah, to recap from a contract standpoint,
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: big year for Hurts with the guaranteed money.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: Huge year. Okay, big year for.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: The Key, but he can't control it the way Hurts does.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: He actually has to be able to play play.
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: I mean he's.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, not necessarily a big year for Barkley because he's
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: not gonna do much better.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: His contract is gonna be his contract.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: But if he does a lot worse, if he gets hurt,
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: if he shows decline to play well, Yeah, he's.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: Got to play well because again.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: He has more, he has more to lose than gain.
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, that's how you frame it is exactly it.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: He if he doesn't like last year was not good
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: and we can blame the offensive line, which is horrendous
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: around blocking really good in pass pro. It's kind of
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: odd we think of the other way around when guys
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: wear down. But anyway, we'll have to see and that's
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: that's that's gonna be fascinating, and we are gonna have
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: our eyes big time on that offensive line and how
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: they look physically in training camp. What did we miss
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: on that one? But so did everyone else? Sure, my god,
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: I how did how the hell see? The thing I
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: don't understand is right, they were leading twenty four. Yes,
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: they wore down, but to regress that quickly.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the NFL for your brother, I.
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: Know, it's just haven't in the history of our show,
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: we had never really had to talk about them wearing.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: Down, no doubt.
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