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It Pays to be Reactionary · I Think Less of You Podcast

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SPEAKER_00: All right.
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So have you looked at Ireland this morning since we have been
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to Ireland together even?
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SPEAKER_01: Briefly.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: So they have a I guess farmers are unhappy over the price of gas,
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which now America obviously has some are the prices of gas in
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Europe are spiking
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SPEAKER_01: because of the Strait of Hormuz issue.
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SPEAKER_01: Correct.
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SPEAKER_01: Correct.
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SPEAKER_00: That's not even what this is about.
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SPEAKER_00: So that is accounted for.
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SPEAKER_00: People understand that.
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SPEAKER_00: Citizens and farmers,
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SPEAKER_00: things like this,
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SPEAKER_00: can understand problems spiking because of the Strait of Hormuz.
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SPEAKER_00: The problem is, in Ireland, new gas taxes have gone through.
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SPEAKER_00: In their quest to be net zero, they are spiking their own
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gas prices even more than everything that's going on with Iran
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because they are
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SPEAKER_00: bleeding their citizens to death on this net zero quest.
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SPEAKER_00: So they're protesting right now.
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We actually saw this morning the Irish government said they are
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calling in the
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SPEAKER_00: military to use against their own citizens protesting.
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SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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SPEAKER_01: It was announced by the head of the Irish police,
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SPEAKER_01: who apparently is a Canadian woman,
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SPEAKER_01: which is interesting.
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SPEAKER_00: No comment.
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SPEAKER_01: But the Irish apparently not capable of policing themselves.
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SPEAKER_01: They had to bring in a Canadian.
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SPEAKER_00: Which is another Irish trope because,
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SPEAKER_00: obviously,
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SPEAKER_00: in the background of all of this,
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SPEAKER_00: Ireland has grappled with a refugee crisis,
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SPEAKER_00: much like the rest of the world,
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SPEAKER_00: and have seen a lot of recent migrants become police people.
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Like,
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they are taking up guard eye jobs as though Irish wouldn't want
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them.
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SPEAKER_00: They're good-paying jobs.
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SPEAKER_00: But it, just as a background story,
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SPEAKER_01: Well, that's not uncommon.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean,
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SPEAKER_01: you know,
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that's the in America are the police forces became synonymous
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with Irish immigrants
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SPEAKER_01: at one time because it was.
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But now there was a lot of corruption,
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the massive amount of corruption going on there.
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And the reason that they more or less became synonymous with
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Irish was because.
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The Irish immigrants got into positions of power within the
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police force that would
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SPEAKER_01: only hire other Irish people,
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SPEAKER_01: which I think is also one of the issues,
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SPEAKER_01: my understanding,
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SPEAKER_01: that they are currently complaining about in Ireland,
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SPEAKER_01: that you're seeing a similar thing,
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but with outside groups getting in and just hiring others of
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that group to the
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SPEAKER_01: exclusion of the natives.
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For family reasons,
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I don't think I need to talk about the Irish immigrants' role
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of police.
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SPEAKER_01: And corruption therein.
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Do you have a great uncle who was executed for murdering a
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police officer?
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SPEAKER_00: He did not actually do it.
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SPEAKER_00: He did not actually do it.
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SPEAKER_01: He just wasn't a dirty rat.
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SPEAKER_01: He wasn't a fink.
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SPEAKER_00: Snitches got stitches.
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SPEAKER_00: He got the electric chair.
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SPEAKER_01: Not stitches, but the electric chair.
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SPEAKER_01: Six of one, half dozen of another.
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SPEAKER_01: The, uh, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: So yeah, Ireland is in turmoil.
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You sent me a thing yesterday saying that because the farmers
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had pulled their
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SPEAKER_01: tractors up to the port at Galloway and were blockading it.
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SPEAKER_01: And you sent me this.
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SPEAKER_01: We're very excited.
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SPEAKER_01: They're going to be debanked within a week.
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SPEAKER_01: Within the Commonwealth,
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SPEAKER_01: we learned in Canada,
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SPEAKER_01: within the British Commonwealth,
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a major tool they apparently can use is just officially debank
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people for protest.
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I don't really know a lot of the nuts and bolts of the
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truckers' protest thing in Canada.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: It seemed pretty nasty the way it was handled.
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SPEAKER_01: It certainly could not legally have been handled in that way in America.
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So,
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but again,
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that's,
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this is another thing where America gets called fascist.
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SPEAKER_01: And I tweeted this effect, America gets called fascist every day by
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leaders all over the globe when they do things to their own
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populations just
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through law and through suppression of these kinds of things
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that that we couldn't
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literally could not do no no one would but we would likely
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actually have a coup in
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SPEAKER_01: america the supreme court would presumably just absolutely destroy any
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administration who tried to do the sorts of things that are
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going on in a lot of
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SPEAKER_01: these countries
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SPEAKER_00: I also just think it's hilarious.
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You know,
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Ireland takes pride in being one of the only nations to have
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like a peacetime army.
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SPEAKER_00: They see themselves as uninvolved in any war.
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SPEAKER_00: They just have a peace army, basically.
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And this will be a time that they use their army to,
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you know,
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go against their own citizens.
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SPEAKER_00: They're very involved.
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SPEAKER_00: There's some irony there.
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Ireland is very involved in war just in a backgroundy kind of
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way and in helping
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SPEAKER_01: the bad guys in most of them.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they actually there was some movement.
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I was seeing it was Limerick and people were talking about the
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military being
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SPEAKER_00: mobilized against citizens and citizens were like,
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SPEAKER_00: wait,
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SPEAKER_00: actually,
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SPEAKER_00: this video doesn't prove this.
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That unit is active right now because they are about to ship
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out to Lebanon.
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SPEAKER_00: And I was like, OK, what are we doing there?
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I'm guessing they're presumably going to go to Lebanon to
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support the Hezbollah terrorists.
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SPEAKER_00: The Irish, so probably.
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SPEAKER_00: It's what they do.
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SPEAKER_01: They trained the PLO back in the day, so that's—
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SPEAKER_00: The wild thing is,
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SPEAKER_00: like,
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SPEAKER_00: if I wanted to move to Ireland as diaspora Irish,
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SPEAKER_00: it would be almost impossible for me to go.
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But they get so many people who don't care about being Irish or
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seemingly hate
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SPEAKER_00: Ireland and are voting this way.
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SPEAKER_00: It just it's a whole disaster.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that reminds me.
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SPEAKER_01: So yesterday, I don't know if you saw this.
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SPEAKER_01: I tweeted a thing about it.
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SPEAKER_01: But yesterday in the Washington Post,
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SPEAKER_01: a writer,
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SPEAKER_01: I'm going to find the details on this because I want to be specific.
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SPEAKER_01: I tweeted it so I can find what I quote tweeted.
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There was a writer for the Washington Post who wrote an article
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and advertised the
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SPEAKER_01: article that was – there it is – Shadi Hamid,
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SPEAKER_01: who is a columnist for the Washington Post,
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SPEAKER_01: a senior fellow at the Georgetown University.
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SPEAKER_01: an author.
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SPEAKER_01: He wrote an article that is,
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SPEAKER_01: I'm tired of proving I belong in America,
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SPEAKER_01: was the title of the article.
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SPEAKER_01: And what he was writing in the article,
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SPEAKER_01: according to his description on Twitter,
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SPEAKER_01: I do not have a subscription to WAPO,
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SPEAKER_01: so I can't read the whole thing.
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SPEAKER_01: There are hoops to jump through I didn't.
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SPEAKER_01: But he gave a breakdown of the article,
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and his whole point was that he's tired of Muslims being asked
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to integrate into
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SPEAKER_01: the American cultural mainstream,
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SPEAKER_01: that as a Muslim,
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SPEAKER_01: he shouldn't have to become part of the military.
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But we should just accept that Muslims are always going to be
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completely different
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SPEAKER_01: and never actually fit into America and just accept that,
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SPEAKER_01: which is the one that I keyed off of.
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SPEAKER_01: Muslims are different in certain ways.
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SPEAKER_01: How could they not be?
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SPEAKER_01: Islam shapes how its adherents think about family,
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SPEAKER_01: sexuality,
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SPEAKER_01: and what it means to live a good life.
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SPEAKER_01: Simply put, Islam is also a more public religion than Christianity.
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SPEAKER_01: Practicing Muslims,
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SPEAKER_01: despite being repeatedly asked to,
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SPEAKER_01: can't disavow Sharia even if they wanted to.
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The Sharia includes guidelines on how to pray fast and
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otherwise observe what it
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SPEAKER_01: means to submit to God in daily practice.
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Muslims are significantly more religious and observant than the
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rest of the American population.
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SPEAKER_01: Is this a problem?
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SPEAKER_01: No.
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Republicans are also significantly more religious than the
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overall population,
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SPEAKER_01: and we don't ask them to assimilate.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes, they do.
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SPEAKER_00: They ask that all the time.
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SPEAKER_01: They want nothing but Christian assimilation.
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SPEAKER_01: My tweet on this was basically, if I said these things,
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SPEAKER_01: I would be absolutely destroyed for being racist Islamophobic.
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The jumping off point everyone's made on this is that he's
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right here admitting
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SPEAKER_01: that Muslims can't assimilate into American culture.
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SPEAKER_01: Like, yeah, that's literally his argument.
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SPEAKER_01: I think Mike Solana, who I'm sure you know who he is.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, of course.
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SPEAKER_01: I saw he'd quote tweeted saying that,
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SPEAKER_01: like,
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SPEAKER_01: you know,
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SPEAKER_01: yes,
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the only reason that countries allow immigration at all is on
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the assumption that
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SPEAKER_01: the people will assimilate into the culture.
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SPEAKER_01: No country,
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SPEAKER_01: historically,
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SPEAKER_01: certainly,
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SPEAKER_01: although you can question that now to some degree,
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no country would allow people to come if there wasn't an
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understanding that those
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SPEAKER_01: people would fold in rather than remain separate.
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SPEAKER_00: It's wild.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't even know what to say about it.
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SPEAKER_01: It feeds into what you're saying about Ireland.
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SPEAKER_00: No, it totally does.
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And Ireland is just an interesting flashpoint to me because
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they are so liberal and
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SPEAKER_00: their population is so liberal.
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SPEAKER_00: And if even they are starting to push back against some of this,
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SPEAKER_00: it's just interesting to talk about.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, and that's...
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SPEAKER_01: In Europe and in...
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There is a conservative rump,
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a very conservative rump in Europe and in America.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't...
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SPEAKER_01: I've said before, I don't...
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SPEAKER_01: They are not necessarily...
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I am generally in favor of the more conservative,
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viewpointed people in these countries.
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I also do not have any illusions that they are America's
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friends because they are
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SPEAKER_01: solely interested in their own country.
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SPEAKER_01: Now, ideally, that...
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SPEAKER_01: That is OK,
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because ideally all countries should be looking out for their
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own specific
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interests foremost and working with other countries that are
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able to advance the
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SPEAKER_01: areas where there is commonality.
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SPEAKER_01: But at the same time,
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they're like a lot of a lot of people in America think that
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Canadian conservatives
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SPEAKER_01: think French,
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SPEAKER_01: English,
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SPEAKER_01: Irish,
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whatever conservatives are analogous to American conservatives
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and want the same
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SPEAKER_01: things.
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SPEAKER_01: And often they don't.
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SPEAKER_01: They are often much more reactionary than or you have like Marine Le Pen.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you saw.
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Issued a statement saying,
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somewhat attacking America for the whole Iran thing.
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SPEAKER_01: I was just like, you didn't do that.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, yes, I agree with you.
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SPEAKER_00: And you know that I think that that was right.
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SPEAKER_00: But I also understand them, you know, advocating against it.
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SPEAKER_00: Just like when we were in Armenia with friends talking about Iran,
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SPEAKER_00: Iran has actually been helpful to them and Israel was funding Azerbaijan.
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SPEAKER_00: Like, I understand why people have objections to these things.
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I see them differently because I'm an American and I do think
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it's in our best interest.
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SPEAKER_00: I also...
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SPEAKER_00: I think it's in Europe's best interest,
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SPEAKER_00: but I get their hesitation and I get,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: I get why some people don't want this to happen.
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SPEAKER_00: Like, I do get it.
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The problem with Europe has is that NATO NATO made it was
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difficult for Donald
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SPEAKER_01: Trump to end our relationship with because Congress has made it.
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SPEAKER_01: So it takes that would take an act of Congress pulls out of NATO.
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SPEAKER_01: NATO is dead, though.
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SPEAKER_01: If not, in fact, in practicality, NATO is a dead letter.
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SPEAKER_00: Which I think is actually really bad for us.
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SPEAKER_00: Like, that upsets me.
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SPEAKER_01: But at the same time, the problem is that it is somewhat...
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SPEAKER_01: It is bad for us in that it makes it more difficult for us to have bases.
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SPEAKER_01: But there even...
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SPEAKER_01: I do not want...
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SPEAKER_01: Many European countries helped us in Afghanistan.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't want to poo-poo that.
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However,
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we did the bulk of it because we did the bulk of – we paid
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pretty much all of NATO.
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SPEAKER_01: We do the bulk – any NATO action is primarily Americans doing it.
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SPEAKER_01: It is clear –
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SPEAKER_01: That there is no military might in NATO other than America.
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SPEAKER_01: No one else can really field a competent army to do anything or Navy.
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So the French,
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perhaps,
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the French,
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I believe,
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actually do have a fairly robust naval presence.
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But as far as the rest of NATO goes,
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they're largely just,
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you know,
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a paper tiger at best.
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SPEAKER_01: And honestly,
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SPEAKER_01: that might be too,
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Paper Tiger might be too polite because I don't even think
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there's paper there.
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SPEAKER_00: I just really would like a strong NATO looking at,
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SPEAKER_00: as we see in one hand,
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SPEAKER_00: Europe is kind of anti-NATO and U.S.
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SPEAKER_00: involvement,
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and in the other hand are gearing up for the next move that
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Israel has at least
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SPEAKER_00: identified.
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SPEAKER_01: I think NATO needs to,
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SPEAKER_01: as I said this before,
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SPEAKER_01: NATO needs to end because we need a new alliance structure.
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SPEAKER_00: We need to kick Turkey out.
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I think NATO has outlived its usefulness because the
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constituent countries have
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SPEAKER_01: drifted in a lot of fundamental ways.
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SPEAKER_01: You need to have a new alliance.
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SPEAKER_01: Alliances should be fluid.
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SPEAKER_01: Historically, alliances are always fluid.
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SPEAKER_01: They are not just we're locked into this hug.
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of an alliance with a country,
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regardless of what they do or how they change.
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If they don't like how America operates now and we don't like
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how they operate now,
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SPEAKER_01: really,
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SPEAKER_01: the alliance has no function.
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SPEAKER_00: Well,
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the alliance has no function when alliance members are allowed
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to repeatedly,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: uh,
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SPEAKER_00: They have incursions over Greek airspace.
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SPEAKER_00: There are constant, like, harassment issues.
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SPEAKER_00: There are numerous infractions that Turkey has against Greece,
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SPEAKER_00: their neighbors,
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SPEAKER_00: and NATO members.
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SPEAKER_00: Like, what?
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SPEAKER_01: Well, that goes back a long way.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's always been a thing.
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SPEAKER_01: No, I, yeah, I've been to Kalamata, I know.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm saying more recent events, but yes.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it goes back a far way.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: It just how we can allow Turkey to remain in NATO is beyond me.
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And it is just interesting because Europe seems to be less
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interested in NATO
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SPEAKER_00: because of Iran,
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SPEAKER_00: but more interested in NATO because of Turkey,
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SPEAKER_00: their own NATO member.
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SPEAKER_00: It's
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SPEAKER_01: Actually, I don't know.
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SPEAKER_01: I'll have to look at this.
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I don't know if there is a mechanism for ejecting someone from
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a member state from NATO.
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SPEAKER_01: There probably isn't.
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SPEAKER_01: But yeah, no, that's a bit like that.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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SPEAKER_01: Again, it's not that I am not opposed to the idea of alliances.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm not necessarily opposed.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm not opposed to the idea of alliances similar to NATO.
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I just think we probably,
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on balance,
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need a new alliance structure with new players.
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America has very good relationships with many countries in the
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world who we are not
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SPEAKER_01: in alliance with because we're NATO.
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SPEAKER_01: And that's our big alliance.
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SPEAKER_01: So, yep.
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SPEAKER_00: What else do we have going on?
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SPEAKER_00: We went through everything we had to say in 20 minutes.
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SPEAKER_01: Took about 20 minutes.
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SPEAKER_01: We covered the world.
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SPEAKER_00: There's plenty of other stuff going on, I'm sure.
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SPEAKER_00: We're watching everyone's hysterical taco breakdowns.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah,
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SPEAKER_01: well,
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that was the immediate pivot from Donald Trump is a madman and
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he's immediately
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moved from office before he ends civilization to Donald Trump's
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a coward because he
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SPEAKER_01: didn't end civilization.
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SPEAKER_01: It was whiplash-inducing, head-fitting.
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SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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SPEAKER_00: Everyone's talking about taco.
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SPEAKER_00: Trump always chickens out.
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SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, wait, didn't you want him to chicken out?
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Because yesterday you were freaking out about an entire
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civilization wiped off the
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SPEAKER_00: face of the planet and us falling into like nuclear war.
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SPEAKER_00: And then all of a sudden, nope, he always chickens out.
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SPEAKER_00: He's never going to do it.
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SPEAKER_00: And it's like, wait, what are you cheering for here?
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SPEAKER_01: I understand that the maximalist speech is Trump's thing.
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SPEAKER_01: That tweet or truth or whatever, that was not an ideal way to frame it.
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SPEAKER_01: But again,
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SPEAKER_01: it doesn't matter because as they say,
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SPEAKER_01: Trump should be taken seriously,
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SPEAKER_01: not literally.
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SPEAKER_01: But you had tweeted about it.
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You had within like half an hour of each other,
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Nick Fuentes and Bill Kristol.
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both tweet out say you're just you i just wish that bill
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crystal could meet himself circa like
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SPEAKER_01: I have said that this is somewhat dark,
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but I am fairly happy that Gertrude Himmelfarb and Irving
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Kristall are both dead.
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So they don't have to see what their sons turned into because
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they actually were
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SPEAKER_01: extremely intelligent,
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SPEAKER_01: extremely principled people.
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And watching him use their Kristall name to do whatever the
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hell it is he's doing
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SPEAKER_01: would presumably kill him.
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SPEAKER_00: And to just completely gaslight all of this,
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SPEAKER_00: like he just it would be one thing if he came out and said,
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SPEAKER_00: I changed because X,
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SPEAKER_00: Y and Z instead of just I changed because Trump like,
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SPEAKER_00: OK,
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SPEAKER_00: I'm going to need.
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SPEAKER_00: I need a little bit more information here.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm going to need to walk through a few more of these steps.
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Like what exactly switched other than you're getting paid or
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like what happened?
17:43
SPEAKER_00: Walk us through this process.
17:45
SPEAKER_00: Maybe you'll change other people's minds.
17:47
SPEAKER_00: I doubt it because I think it is all just it pays to be reactionary.
17:52
And some of this is going to continue to get worse because
17:56
that's what gets the clicks.
17:58
SPEAKER_01: He doesn't read responses to his tweets.
18:00
SPEAKER_01: He doesn't read—he doesn't acknowledge criticism.
18:03
SPEAKER_01: It's just, you know, he's just in it for the interactions.
18:06
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, but that's—I actually looked into it the other day.
18:10
SPEAKER_01: His mother,
18:10
SPEAKER_01: Gertrude Himelfarb,
18:12
SPEAKER_01: who—a lot of people may not be familiar with her,
18:15
SPEAKER_01: and they should be because she was a very interesting thinker—
18:18
SPEAKER_01: died in 2019.
18:20
SPEAKER_01: And I was thinking, I was pondering a timeline.
18:22
I was like,
18:22
I think it was around 2019 when he really went off to deep end
18:25
on this stuff.
18:26
So I don't know if it was the death of his mother that caused
18:28
him to kind of go
18:29
SPEAKER_01: nuts or if he was reining it in for her benefit until
18:33
she died because i think up until about 2019 he was more he was
18:38
anti-trump but it
18:39
was like you know bulwark wasn't what it is now bulwark was
18:43
somewhat now it was
18:44
like the dispatch maybe even a bit more national reviewy but
18:48
trump but highly trump
18:49
critical uh isn't a operating talking shop for the democratic
18:54
party like it is now
18:56
SPEAKER_00: He this is just a man who like loved, loved, loved him some more.
19:00
Like this is the king neocon all of a sudden being like a
19:04
pacifist co-pink person.
19:07
SPEAKER_00: It just.
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SPEAKER_01: He's out there going to no more kings rallies.
19:11
SPEAKER_00: Such a shame.
19:12
SPEAKER_00: Like actually a king would probably do a better job than all of us.
19:17
SPEAKER_01: But let your monarchist flag fly.
19:20
SPEAKER_00: Look, I just think that sometimes democracy does the stupidest thing.
19:27
SPEAKER_01: There are upsides and downsides to every governing form.
19:31
SPEAKER_01: You know, that's the way it goes.
19:34
SPEAKER_01: Sometimes you get a mad king.
19:35
SPEAKER_01: Sometimes you get a mad president.
19:37
SPEAKER_01: These are the things.
19:40
SPEAKER_00: Sometimes you have a president who's not even aware that he's president.
19:43
SPEAKER_01: And sometimes, sometimes you have that.
19:45
SPEAKER_01: Sometimes you have a king like that, too.
19:47
Like you have poor George III with his acute intermittent
19:50
porphyria going periodically mad.
19:54
SPEAKER_00: You know.
19:55
SPEAKER_01: Did you ever see The Madness of King George?
19:57
SPEAKER_01: Maybe.
19:58
SPEAKER_01: It's a really good movie.
19:59
SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
20:00
SPEAKER_01: It's about George III.
20:02
SPEAKER_00: You know I probably won't.
20:03
SPEAKER_01: It's about George III dealing with his acute intermittent porphyria.
20:08
It was a hereditary issue in the British royal line that they
20:14
would get this thing
20:14
SPEAKER_01: where,
20:15
SPEAKER_01: I think,
20:15
SPEAKER_01: was it their pee would turn purple?
20:18
SPEAKER_01: I'm pretty sure.
20:19
SPEAKER_01: Like, this is a thing.
20:21
And then they'd just go completely bonkers for a while and then
20:24
would come down off it.
20:26
The Madness of King George is about one of the early bouts of
20:29
it where they
20:29
SPEAKER_01: actually brought him down.
20:32
SPEAKER_01: It ends with a hopeful note of like, you know, now he's feeling better.
20:36
SPEAKER_01: It doesn't discuss that a couple of years later,
20:39
he was basically locked into a mental institution for the rest
20:41
of his life.
20:42
SPEAKER_01: And that's when you enter the Regency period with his son, Fat George.
20:46
SPEAKER_01: All right.
20:47
SPEAKER_01: You should watch the movie.
20:47
SPEAKER_01: It's good.
20:48
SPEAKER_01: It's old.
20:49
SPEAKER_01: It's from the early 2000s, I think, late 90s.
20:51
SPEAKER_00: We all know I probably won't.
20:53
SPEAKER_01: You will never watch that movie.
20:55
SPEAKER_00: Probably not.
20:56
I still haven't watched any of the other movies that you've
21:00
yelled at me to watch.
21:02
SPEAKER_01: Did you see that Nate Silver,
21:04
SPEAKER_01: Nate Silver formerly of FiveThirtyEightBlog,
21:08
spent the last few days having a breakdown because he is
21:13
unhappy that New York
21:14
SPEAKER_01: Times tweets of their articles don't get more views.
21:20
SPEAKER_01: Very unhappy about this,
21:21
that more people aren't seeing articles from the New York Times
21:26
because he's been
21:27
SPEAKER_01: having an argument with
21:29
nikita whatever the hell his name is the guy who like the the
21:33
like backend ops guy
21:35
who's always on twitter yeah nikita buyer because nikita has
21:39
been just saying you
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know look look nate they're bad at posting it's not it's not
21:43
our fault they post
21:45
uninterrupted like they post links with like what with one
21:47
sentence just like you
21:49
know quick summation things that no one wants to look no one
21:52
wants to look at so
21:52
nobody interacts with it so nobody sees it because the
21:54
algorithm doesn't see
21:55
SPEAKER_01: because nobody's interacting with it.
21:57
SPEAKER_01: It's been quite the thing.
21:59
SPEAKER_01: Silver has been slowly going off the deep end about it.
22:01
SPEAKER_00: So I do understand some of it,
22:04
SPEAKER_00: especially as you look at— You do SEO stuff,
22:06
SPEAKER_01: so you search engine optimization stuff.
22:09
SPEAKER_01: You understand algorithms.
22:11
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
22:12
SPEAKER_00: Also, I myself am impacted by a couple different issues here.
22:17
SPEAKER_00: So first of all,
22:18
SPEAKER_00: like when you sign up to follow someone,
22:22
SPEAKER_00: you should be shown that that is the algorithm trigger that that.
22:26
SPEAKER_00: it should be receiving.
22:27
SPEAKER_00: Like, I signed up to follow this person.
22:30
SPEAKER_00: I want to see what they say.
22:32
It is a really easy indicator that you want them in your feed
22:37
that you want to follow them.
22:38
SPEAKER_00: I realize on Twitter there is a for you feed that is not
22:43
SPEAKER_00: Something you have on other platforms on Instagram,
22:46
SPEAKER_00: maybe 10 people will ever see something that I put out,
22:50
SPEAKER_00: even though they opted in to see what I'm putting out.
22:53
SPEAKER_00: That is very annoying.
22:55
SPEAKER_00: I totally get that.
22:56
SPEAKER_00: It is a problem that happens.
22:58
And I think it's dumb that people aren't served things that
23:04
they have opted in to see.
23:07
SPEAKER_00: Also,
23:08
Twitter has a function where it automatically downgrades any
23:13
content that is off
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SPEAKER_00: the platform.
23:15
SPEAKER_00: That is well within their right, but I think it sucks.
23:19
I think it sucks to have a town hall where you can't talk about
23:22
anything that's
23:24
SPEAKER_00: happening off the town hall.
23:27
SPEAKER_01: This is less true as of, I think, the end of last year.
23:30
SPEAKER_01: They actually... No, no.
23:33
SPEAKER_01: I can't remember who.
23:35
SPEAKER_00: Somebody... Drop a tweet with a link and prove me wrong.
23:39
SPEAKER_01: I'm not saying it isn't entirely true, but it is less true.
23:43
SPEAKER_01: The issue is,
23:44
if the fix to this on Twitter would be that make it an
23:51
automatic thing that if you
23:52
SPEAKER_01: click...
23:55
SPEAKER_01: If you click a link, that acts as a de facto amplification of that link.
24:02
Or,
24:04
in fact,
24:04
just make it automatically like the post if you click the link.
24:08
SPEAKER_01: Something like that.
24:08
SPEAKER_01: Because the issue is, when people see something...
24:10
SPEAKER_01: They aren't going to necessarily like it.
24:13
SPEAKER_01: They're just going to be like,
24:14
SPEAKER_01: huh,
24:14
SPEAKER_01: I wonder what this is about,
24:16
SPEAKER_01: and click into the link and go read it.
24:18
So there is none of the internal Twitter amplification of it
24:21
going on of the
24:23
SPEAKER_01: algorithm recognizing this person saw this tweet.
24:25
SPEAKER_01: And liked it.
24:27
All it's all it's saying is that you just you just leave
24:31
Twitter at that point.
24:34
SPEAKER_01: So that is probably a partial fix.
24:36
SPEAKER_01: But at the same time, it's as has been pointed out to Nate.
24:41
Many of the writers of the articles for New York Times and
24:45
Washington Post,
24:46
SPEAKER_01: many of them,
24:47
when they tweet out a link to their article with a more
24:50
in-depth description of
24:52
SPEAKER_01: their article,
24:53
SPEAKER_01: they get lots of interactions.
24:54
SPEAKER_01: They get lots of engagement.
24:55
SPEAKER_01: They get lots of views on the tweets.
24:57
The problem is that,
24:59
yes,
24:59
the New York Times has 15 million followers or whatever.
25:04
A huge percentage of those followers either don't exist or are
25:08
completely passive
25:10
SPEAKER_01: and passive followers are not algorithmically useful.
25:16
SPEAKER_00: Sure.
25:16
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I agree with that.
25:18
I just think there is there is something to the criticism of
25:24
the algorithm and not
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SPEAKER_00: allowing people to see what they have opted in to see.
25:30
Yeah,
25:31
obviously all of these platforms have a major incentive to be a
25:34
walled garden.
25:35
SPEAKER_01: But I think that certainly Twitter,
25:39
SPEAKER_01: they tried to boost the articles thing,
25:41
SPEAKER_01: but it's not a good format for articles.
25:45
SPEAKER_01: So it never really took.
25:47
SPEAKER_00: And it sucks that they're shutting down links outside of Twitter.
25:51
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
25:52
For me to be on Twitter,
25:55
if I had better interaction,
25:56
I would pay for ads for them.
25:58
Like if I had better interaction,
26:00
I would pay for ads for my site for people to click through.
26:04
But the second I drop anything,
26:06
I always do it like as the reply,
26:08
which is so dumb.
26:10
SPEAKER_00: It kills my click through.
26:12
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
26:13
SPEAKER_00: As a user and a business, both, I think it's a terrible practice.
26:18
SPEAKER_01: So the situation was partially fixed when they,
26:22
SPEAKER_01: I'm sure you've noticed,
26:24
SPEAKER_01: you no longer leave Twitter when you click on an article.
26:27
SPEAKER_01: It now opens.
26:28
SPEAKER_01: So that was their partial fit.
26:32
So like I said,
26:33
I think it is no longer exactly de-boosted in the same way.
26:37
SPEAKER_01: But the issue is that when people click on something like that,
26:40
SPEAKER_01: they aren't necessarily going to think to retweet it or think,
26:43
SPEAKER_01: especially if it doesn't have...
26:45
SPEAKER_01: You need a block of text.
26:46
SPEAKER_01: You need, like, a good description block of text.
26:49
You can't just do what New York Times and The Washington Post
26:52
do of just doing,
26:53
SPEAKER_01: like,
26:53
SPEAKER_01: you know,
26:53
SPEAKER_01: basically cut and paste in the headline above it and fire in it.
26:58
SPEAKER_00: They kind of RSS style do it, which really isn't useful to anyone.
27:03
SPEAKER_00: Like, their content was thin, but I do think there's something also.
27:09
What Nikito said at the time was that when The New York Times
27:12
started on Twitter...
27:14
SPEAKER_01: That was what the algorithm was optimized for.
27:18
SPEAKER_01: But they just haven't changed how they do things at all.
27:22
This is a case for a lot of,
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you know,
27:24
large institutions tend to be lazy that are hard to move.
27:29
SPEAKER_00: Well, even small bloggers tend to be, I mean.
27:33
SPEAKER_01: Well, you're not lazy.
27:33
SPEAKER_01: You work constantly.
27:35
SPEAKER_00: No, I do work constantly, but you fall into the same posting traps.
27:41
I'm currently going through and rewriting my entire site
27:44
because I fell into a trap
27:47
SPEAKER_00: and did not constantly update.
27:50
SPEAKER_00: And now I'm having to do it from the bottom up.
27:53
SPEAKER_00: So I understand what they're saying on an algorithmic level.
27:58
SPEAKER_00: I get it.
27:59
I think that they need to be posting better content,
28:02
but there is something...
28:04
That's inherently broken in all social media apps where you're
28:09
not served content
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SPEAKER_00: from people that you have opted in to see.
28:14
SPEAKER_01: Well,
28:14
that's one of the New York Times that has been pointed out
28:17
again recently and
28:18
SPEAKER_01: periodically has pointed out the New York Times.
28:21
SPEAKER_01: WAPA was just going out there.
28:22
SPEAKER_01: They're losing all the money there.
28:24
SPEAKER_01: They're there.
28:25
Only being floated because Jeff Bezos hasn't figured out how to
28:28
offload them yet.
28:29
New York Times is very successful because New York Times is an
28:33
online gaming and
28:34
SPEAKER_01: lifestyle company that has a kind of rump news division.
28:40
SPEAKER_01: Well.
28:42
They make all their money with Wordle and Wirecutter and all
28:46
these things.
28:46
And their news division is staffed by a bunch of 23-year-olds
28:50
who have no idea what
28:50
SPEAKER_01: they're doing.
28:52
SPEAKER_01: Who was it?
28:52
SPEAKER_01: There was an Obama...
28:55
A person in the Obama administration who a talk was leaked
29:00
where he was talking
29:01
SPEAKER_01: about how,
29:01
SPEAKER_01: like,
29:02
SPEAKER_00: these people,
29:02
SPEAKER_00: I think it was Ben Rhodes,
29:03
SPEAKER_01: actually.
29:04
SPEAKER_01: They have, like, no understanding.
29:07
The people who are writing for the New York Times now are all
29:10
in their 20s.
29:10
SPEAKER_01: They have no understanding of the world around them.
29:12
SPEAKER_01: They have no connections to anybody.
29:13
SPEAKER_01: You can tell them anything you want to tell them, and they'll believe it.
29:16
SPEAKER_00: No.
29:19
SPEAKER_00: It's basically the blogosphere just...
29:21
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
29:22
SPEAKER_01: Corporate subsidized.
29:25
SPEAKER_01: With institutional credibility they're burning through.
29:28
SPEAKER_01: I mean, none of these people have foreign correspondents anymore.
29:31
SPEAKER_01: I think the AP is pretty much the only one.
29:33
SPEAKER_01: And some of the television, like Trey Yanks is a notable.
29:37
SPEAKER_01: foreign correspondent who's still at least out there doing work.
29:41
But none of the paper press have their own foreign
29:45
correspondents out doing things.
29:47
Literally,
29:47
as we periodically see,
29:50
they just hire locals who often are members of Hamas.
29:55
SPEAKER_01: to be their foreign correspondent.
29:57
So you don't even have to have a Walter Durante who's going
30:02
over to be gaslit.
30:04
Now they just hire a member of the Politburo to straight up
30:10
write their stuff for them.
30:13
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
30:14
SPEAKER_00: And everyone freelances.
30:16
SPEAKER_00: They will freelance with random other writers.
30:20
SPEAKER_00: It's basically corporate blogosphere.
30:22
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, I mean, that's the thing.
30:26
SPEAKER_01: Places like Daily Wire,
30:29
SPEAKER_01: in many cases,
30:32
SPEAKER_01: or even the Free Press,
30:35
have a lot more actual useful infrastructure in the modern
30:39
media world than places
30:41
SPEAKER_01: like a New York Times,
30:44
SPEAKER_01: Washington Post,
30:45
SPEAKER_01: LA Times sort of thing.
30:47
SPEAKER_01: They're all just kind of desperately treading water, and like I said,
30:52
SPEAKER_00: Well, the corporate ones are chasing a lot of clicks kind of backwards.
30:58
SPEAKER_00: They are looking at, oh, people like Nick Fuentes are getting outraged.
31:05
SPEAKER_00: They're getting all the views.
31:06
SPEAKER_00: They're getting the young viewers and a lot of people.
31:13
SPEAKER_00: I'll say blogger,
31:14
but really more like freelance writers or like Substack writers
31:17
or podcast people
31:18
SPEAKER_00: are saying,
31:19
SPEAKER_00: well,
31:20
SPEAKER_00: we don't really care.
31:21
SPEAKER_00: When I say podcast,
31:22
I don't mean the Candace Owens and the Nick Fuentes because
31:25
they are the ones
31:26
SPEAKER_00: actually doing this.
31:27
But a lot of other people are like,
31:28
I don't care if young people follow me.
31:32
SPEAKER_00: I don't care if I reach out to young idiot voters.
31:36
SPEAKER_00: Like, no, I don't need to degrade myself to that level.
31:41
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and that's what I do.
31:43
SPEAKER_00: You have an old audience.
31:45
SPEAKER_00: You skew really old.
31:47
SPEAKER_01: Did you see my analytics?
31:48
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm like 40 and up is my sweet spot.
31:53
SPEAKER_01: And I'm mostly in the 50s and 60s.
31:55
SPEAKER_01: It's great.
31:57
SPEAKER_00: I mean,
31:57
a lot of my website readers skew a little bit younger just
32:01
because if you're like
32:03
SPEAKER_00: learning to cook for the first time or if you're traveling,
32:07
SPEAKER_00: travel can skew younger in some ways,
32:10
SPEAKER_00: but I'm much more appreciative.
32:12
she my older audience yeah which is a shame because i have to
32:16
tell you as an
32:17
influencer i've been told that i have aged out numerous times
32:22
um because i'm over
32:23
40 so they don't want to hire me anymore because i'm an old
32:27
crone um and i'm like
32:29
SPEAKER_00: i'm the only one who can afford to go on these trips but okay
32:33
SPEAKER_01: Well, yeah, no, and again, I think that's...
32:36
Especially given that you're a cooking...
32:38
You focus on cooking and travel.
32:41
SPEAKER_01: These are things that older people tend to...
32:43
SPEAKER_01: The young folk,
32:45
SPEAKER_01: except for,
32:45
SPEAKER_01: like,
32:45
SPEAKER_01: you know,
32:46
SPEAKER_01: there's some exceptions,
32:47
SPEAKER_01: but the young folk mostly just want to go to restaurants.
32:52
SPEAKER_01: If they're traveling, they're traveling to, like, you know, I don't know.
32:56
SPEAKER_01: Somewhere stupid.
32:57
SPEAKER_00: Well, I do all those things, too, but...
33:02
SPEAKER_00: They just don't want to see the old hag doing it.
33:05
SPEAKER_00: They want some hot young thing doing it.
33:09
Well,
33:09
you know,
33:10
I've actually been told that like,
33:12
no,
33:13
we're going for a younger crowd.
33:14
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, OK, cool.
33:16
SPEAKER_01: Thanks.
33:17
One of the great things about being me is I've never I've never
33:20
come off as young
33:21
SPEAKER_01: in my entire life,
33:21
SPEAKER_01: even when I was young.
33:23
SPEAKER_01: And I've never been cool in any way.
33:26
SPEAKER_01: I've always given off old man vibes and been just super square.
33:34
SPEAKER_00: I don't know that I was ever cool.
33:37
SPEAKER_01: I think you were probably cooler.
33:39
SPEAKER_01: You were out there on the slopes, hanging out at the cool kids' table.
33:43
SPEAKER_00: Well,
33:44
SPEAKER_00: I did sit at the cool kids' table always in high school,
33:48
SPEAKER_00: but you know the girl who's friends with everyone,
33:51
SPEAKER_00: but she's not popular?
33:53
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
33:54
SPEAKER_01: That was me.
33:57
SPEAKER_01: You get some reflected cool by being that person, though.
34:01
SPEAKER_01: You're like the moon.
34:03
SPEAKER_00: I was voted class clown.
34:07
fair i think that was actually probably a sound sound vote
34:10
you're you're not not
34:11
clownish had i had the option i'm sure i would have been voted
34:14
the same yeah i
34:16
think you would have um definitely we would have if we knew
34:20
each other because we
34:22
just screw around but they hated each other uh i don't think
34:28
that's true but i
34:30
would have been miserable because that would require me to live
34:32
in colorado
34:34
SPEAKER_01: And that sounds awful.
34:36
SPEAKER_01: Sounds horrible.
34:37
SPEAKER_01: No interest.
34:38
SPEAKER_01: Boo.
34:39
SPEAKER_00: Colorado is great.
34:41
Not so great yesterday when...
34:43
Yeah,
34:43
the state tried to burn itself down again.
34:46
SPEAKER_00: Not just the state.
34:47
SPEAKER_00: Like, that was less than two miles from my house.
34:51
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
34:52
SPEAKER_00: I was on pre-evacuation all day yesterday.
34:54
SPEAKER_00: That was really fun.
34:55
SPEAKER_00: I just...
34:56
A great way to wake up in the morning is hearing fire trucks go
35:00
whizzing past my house.
35:02
SPEAKER_00: I was like, oh, crap.
35:03
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we were going to record yesterday, but you seemed preoccupied.
35:06
SPEAKER_01: So we did.
35:08
I was watching the fire like all day and they knocked it down
35:11
really quickly.
35:12
SPEAKER_00: We have amazing wildland fire teams here, but it was a scary day.
35:17
I saw shortly before we started recording that the weather
35:23
forecasters are saying
35:24
SPEAKER_01: we're going to have a super El Nino.
35:27
SPEAKER_01: Is that good or bad for your raid situation?
35:30
SPEAKER_01: How does El Nino play into your whole thing?
35:33
SPEAKER_00: It depends,
35:34
but hopefully it will mean that we are flooded all summer and
35:39
it just rains all
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SPEAKER_00: summer long.
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SPEAKER_00: And that would be fantastic.
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SPEAKER_00: If that happened, that would be cool.
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SPEAKER_00: If not, Colorado is going to have a really, really, really bad summer.
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SPEAKER_00: We're at like 30% of our snowpack right now.
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SPEAKER_00: And this is supposed to be the peak.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know how farms and homes are going to have water this year.
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SPEAKER_00: So we want lots of rain.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, hopefully that happens.
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SPEAKER_01: Colorado, people probably shouldn't live there in general.
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SPEAKER_01: It's not really a hospitable place.
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SPEAKER_00: If everyone could leave, that would be great.
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SPEAKER_01: Either environmentally or politically, not a hospitable place.
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SPEAKER_00: It's getting so much worse.
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SPEAKER_00: They're looking at a millionaire tax now.
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I have a lot of friends and know of a lot of companies that are
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going to leave.
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SPEAKER_01: How long until they implement an exit tax?
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I see a lot of blue states are trying because everyone's
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leaving or trying to
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SPEAKER_01: implement exit taxes.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm sure that's being talked about at this very moment.
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SPEAKER_01: The quote-unquote libertarian Democrat Jared Polis is,
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SPEAKER_01: I'm sure,
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SPEAKER_01: currently happily reviewing arguments for exit taxes.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: I think it's like eight states right now have them, right?
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SPEAKER_01: It was ten.
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Yes,
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I think it's eight,
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and I think there's two more trying to pass them.
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SPEAKER_01: You can't even escape it when you leave.
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SPEAKER_01: I actually question,
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SPEAKER_01: I feel like somebody needs,
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SPEAKER_01: I don't know this,
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SPEAKER_01: but I feel like an exit tax has to be unconstitutional.
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I feel like that penalizing a person for moving to another
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state seems like it,
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SPEAKER_01: because that's what it is.
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You could view it as penalizing them for leaving,
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which also is questionable,
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but
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But you could also view it from the perspective of penalizing
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them for moving to another state.
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SPEAKER_01: That has to,
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SPEAKER_01: just because of the federal system and the,
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SPEAKER_01: like,
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SPEAKER_01: you know,
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SPEAKER_01: all of the,
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SPEAKER_01: when they did the constitution because of the
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SPEAKER_01: Articles of Confederation had gone as poorly as they did.
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SPEAKER_01: They went to great pains to make it,
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SPEAKER_01: to structure it so that the states couldn't,
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SPEAKER_01: like,
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SPEAKER_01: be fighting each other directly like that.
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SPEAKER_01: That feels like if someone takes that,
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SPEAKER_01: especially under the current Supreme Court makeup,
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SPEAKER_01: if someone takes it to the Supreme Court,
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SPEAKER_01: I don't think that isn't going to fly.
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SPEAKER_01: Would be my guess.
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SPEAKER_00: I am hoping that's true.
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SPEAKER_00: LAUGHTER
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SPEAKER_00: I think I am going to wrap us up quickly.
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SPEAKER_00: I am anxious.
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I'm anxious to get into the weekend because it is finally
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Pascha and I get to eat
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SPEAKER_00: meat and cheese,
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SPEAKER_00: which I am counting down the seconds for.
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SPEAKER_00: I think I'm a little anemic this week, which is why I'm so exhausted.
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Honestly,
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if we don't have more to talk about,
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then we shouldn't keep talking.
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SPEAKER_01: We shouldn't waste people's time.
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SPEAKER_01: We'll just go.
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SPEAKER_00: No, we absolutely have a lot more to talk about.
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SPEAKER_00: And I love chatting with you.
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SPEAKER_00: The internet is just, it keeps getting laggy.
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Half of what you said,
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I'm going to have to listen to the first time as I edit it.
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SPEAKER_00: All right.
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SPEAKER_00: Because in addition to having wildfire yesterday,
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SPEAKER_00: all of the internet went down in Northern Colorado.
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SPEAKER_00: So...
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know if they're trying to kill us here or something,
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SPEAKER_00: but the internet seems to be blipping again today.
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SPEAKER_00: And I want this to get as clean and edit as I can.
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SPEAKER_01: All right.
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SPEAKER_01: Sounds good.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, I will talk to you later.
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SPEAKER_00: All right.
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SPEAKER_00: Bye.
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SPEAKER_00: Bye.