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Capítulo 177: Diosa's 30th in Peru + LA news! · Locatora Radio [A Radiophonic Novela]

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  Speaker 2: So there's a lot going on in the world, in
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  Speaker 2: our lives, in you know, the galaxy of lok At
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  Speaker 2: Tora and surrounding galaxies. I mean, most notably right now,
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  Speaker 2: we're in the midst of a major crisis. There is
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  Speaker 2: major conflict going on in Israel and Palestine, and we're
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  Speaker 2: not focusing so much on that issue today, but we're
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  Speaker 2: going to bring you more on that in the future.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we are just coming back from some time off,
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  Speaker 1: but that is on our mind, so we wanted to
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  Speaker 1: let y'all know. And in the meantime some resources for listeners.
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  Speaker 1: The New York Times The Daily produced a really powerful,
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  Speaker 1: heartbreaking episode called Voice Is from Gaza where they speak
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  Speaker 1: to a Palestinian American teacher and a twenty three year
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  Speaker 1: old Palestinian and they're counting recounting what they're experiencing and
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  Speaker 1: what their family's experiencing over the past week. So I
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  Speaker 1: encourage all of you to listen to it, share it,
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  Speaker 1: and as always, cite your sources, get informed, and talk
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  Speaker 2: I would also say, do not look to hot takes
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  Speaker 2: from celebrities on this issue. If it's like an Instagram infographic,
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  Speaker 2: like just skip over it, honestly, like better to do without.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot of really great journalism coming from on
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  Speaker 2: the ground. I for one, like I've been watching a
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  Speaker 2: lot on like you know, the Hulu Live News and
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  Speaker 2: across the board, you know there are correspondents delivering direct
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  Speaker 2: news and interviewing folks in Israel and in Palestine. So
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  Speaker 2: I just think overwhelmingly, like every time something happens, and
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  Speaker 2: especially in that specific region, and I see so much
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  Speaker 2: just really shallow, like ignorant, like languid online. I just
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  Speaker 2: don't look to celebs. They don't know.
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  Speaker 1: They really don't.
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  Speaker 2: They don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're in their own bubble. So yes, we will
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  Speaker 1: be hopefully talking to someone in the future, so stay
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  Speaker 1: tuned for that episode.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely. And in the meantime, we, like Yosa mentioned, we
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  Speaker 2: went on a trip, the trip of a lifetime, a
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  Speaker 2: fabulous trip to Peru for the Yosa's thirtieth birthday and
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  Speaker 2: it was fantastic.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was so beautiful, it was so fun. Mal
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  Speaker 1: and I went and my birimo Jonathan went, and it
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  Speaker 1: felt like, in some way such a high stakes trip
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  Speaker 1: because these two people are so important to me. I
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  Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, I hope we come back
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  Speaker 1: in one piece and that I still have friends and
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  Speaker 1: family members.
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  Speaker 2: And we did.
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  Speaker 1: We survived, We survived.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I think it was I wanted a combination of some
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  Speaker 1: you know, time and lima, but then also some like excursion,
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  Speaker 1: some intentional trail walking, hiking, I was gonna say trail running,
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  Speaker 1: but we weren't running with some intentional spiritual connection with nature.
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  Speaker 1: And so that was how I planned this trip, and
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  Speaker 1: we did the Inca Trail, we did the Mini the
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  Speaker 1: Mini Trail, which was not mini at all. It was
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  Speaker 1: really challenging. It was a two day trail, and if
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  Speaker 1: you've heard of the Inca Trail or Camino Inca, it's
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  Speaker 1: there's like a four day option and then there's a
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  Speaker 1: seven day option, and it involves camping. It involves staying
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  Speaker 1: on site, carrying all your your lugging all of your things,
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  Speaker 1: all bait, not bathing, not bathing, and well, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I think by now you'll know me a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: And that was really not my vibe. And so the
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  Speaker 1: Mini Trail felt like the way to go for me
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  Speaker 1: because we were done in two days and it was
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  Speaker 1: still really challenging in spite of it being an eight
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  Speaker 1: mile trek versus the very longer version. There's one that
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  Speaker 1: starts in Gooscoo that takes you all the way to
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  Speaker 1: much beat you, and then there's one that starts in
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  Speaker 1: Oyente Tumbo. And so we started kind of mid to
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  Speaker 1: the end of the trail.
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  Speaker 2: And it was really I feel like it was really
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  Speaker 2: interesting because our guide was explaining that one of the
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  Speaker 2: reasons why the Spanish never got up there is because
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  Speaker 2: you can't take horses up there, Like horses cannot like
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  Speaker 2: make this trail. It is like they built stone steps
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  Speaker 2: into the side of the mountain and it's all it's
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  Speaker 2: all uphill and it's all stairs. Like it was very
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  Speaker 2: very challenging. It was very fun. The guide, Our guide
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  Speaker 2: was great and he was, you know, pretty consistently talking
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  Speaker 2: about how like this is the type of trail that's
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  Speaker 2: going to like test your limits, right, you know, and
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  Speaker 2: like once you start, you really have to finish. You
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  Speaker 2: can't we're really you can't turn around. We're we can't
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  Speaker 2: airlift you out.
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  Speaker 1: There's really no going back. So once, like MA said,
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  Speaker 1: once you're in it, you're in it. And it was
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  Speaker 1: really challenging but really beautiful. I kept having these moments
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  Speaker 1: like this is not real, you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 1: Like it felt fake in some ways because it's so
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  Speaker 1: beautiful that it felt unreal. And I also like, because
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  Speaker 1: you mentioned that, like the Spanish couldn't arrive there because
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  Speaker 1: they because of their horses. Just a little bit of
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  Speaker 1: history for those that don't know. Most of you probably
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  Speaker 1: do though, but Much Beach was one of the seven
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  Speaker 1: Wonders of the World. And part of that reason is
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  Speaker 1: because it was never discovered by the Conquestelloes, the invaders,
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  Speaker 1: the Spanish Hispaniols, and it was a religious place that
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  Speaker 1: was found intact, and so there was a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of restoration that happened, but it was found intact. And
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  Speaker 1: one of the reasons, like Mala mentioned, is because it
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  Speaker 1: was never found by the Spanish because it wasn't easy
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  Speaker 1: to get there. You had to go by foot and
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  Speaker 1: like deal with the high altitude.
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  Speaker 2: Like well hidden, definitely well well hidden up in the mountains,
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  Speaker 2: and we learned about all the different microclimates, the micro
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  Speaker 2: climas what twenty seven in the area, and you go
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  Speaker 2: from like really humid, really thick air to that and
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  Speaker 2: you're like in a cloud forest to then it's raining,
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  Speaker 2: and it was really cool to experience that all those
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  Speaker 2: differences in the climate as we hiked, as we climbed.
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  Speaker 1: It was incredible. We started the trip on my actual birthday,
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  Speaker 1: or we started the climb on my actual birthday, which
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  Speaker 1: was really nice. And then we ended the day like
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  Speaker 1: at Machupichu.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, And it was also amazing the way that like
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  Speaker 2: our first opportunity to see Machu Pichu like that, first,
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  Speaker 2: like Vista h it was completely cloudy, we couldn't see,
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  Speaker 2: and then we hiked a little farther down and then
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  Speaker 2: there she was clear as day. But the folks who
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  Speaker 2: came up behind us just five minutes later, they were
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  Speaker 2: too late. The clouds had come back and covered again,
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  Speaker 2: and so that was really amazing just to see how
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  Speaker 2: quickly things can change up there.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, yeah, I mean, and it was inn eight mile
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  Speaker 1: hike that took us about seven hours, and I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I hope you still love me after that.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely. Oh no, I mean it was like very you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's just one of those things that it's very hard,
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  Speaker 2: but once you finish, you have that sense of accomplishment
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  Speaker 2: and wonder and it's so worth it. And that was
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  Speaker 2: one of those experiences, you know, and just finishing something
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  Speaker 2: that not everybody in the world is going to have
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  Speaker 2: the chance to experience. So I'm very grateful. Yeah, so
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  Speaker 2: thank you for taking me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, No, of course, absolutely, it definitely feels like one
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  Speaker 1: of those once in a lifetime trips. You know, we
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  Speaker 1: can go to much beach at at hopefully you know,
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  Speaker 1: any point, but to experience the trail and the walking
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  Speaker 1: and just to be able to do that it felt
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  Speaker 1: very once in a lifetime. Yeah, and I'm like really
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  Speaker 1: grateful that we got to mark you know, a milestone
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  Speaker 1: birthday together like on this trip, doing this Gamino. It
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  Speaker 1: just felt yeah, very great, a really good way to
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  Speaker 1: bring in the new decade, the new year. I'm very
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  Speaker 1: ritualistic every year, like I do some type of something
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  Speaker 1: on my birthday, and this just felt like the thing
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  Speaker 1: that I had been feeling this way for a couple
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  Speaker 1: of years when I, you know, was twenty seven, as
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  Speaker 1: I felt thirty approaching, as I could see thirty approaching,
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  Speaker 1: thinking like, I really want to do something different for
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  Speaker 1: that birthday. I've celebrated my birthday in the past with
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  Speaker 1: you know, maybe a birthday party, a dinner, something, and
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  Speaker 1: it just felt like, I want to do something different
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  Speaker 1: and I don't want it to feel like every birthday.
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  Speaker 1: And every birthday, of course is amazing, it's wonderful to
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  Speaker 1: celebrate another year of life, but to really be able
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  Speaker 1: to market with such a monumental trip was really important
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  Speaker 1: to me totally.
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  Speaker 2: It was definitely a very intentional trip. Do you also
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  Speaker 2: put together this beautiful itinerary and everything was just like
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  Speaker 2: meticulously mapped out, from our time in Lima where we
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  Speaker 2: were eating bay yeah, to going to Cusco and how
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  Speaker 2: we spent our time there, the tours that we did
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  Speaker 2: acclimating in time for the hike, which was very important
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  Speaker 2: because when we got to Goosco, like the first couple days,
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  Speaker 2: I wasn't I didn't know what to expect from the altitude,
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  Speaker 2: but then just walking around, I was like, Wow, I'm winded.
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  Speaker 2: This is it. This is what people talk about, Like
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  Speaker 2: I should not be winded right now. We're just walking
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  Speaker 2: a very short distance, you know. But we had enough
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  Speaker 2: time to like get ourselves situated so that by the
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  Speaker 2: time we hit the Inca trail, it was still very hard,
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  Speaker 2: but it wasn't as hard as it would have been.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And for context, you know, we're in La, we're
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  Speaker 1: at sea level. Yeah, And even when you arrived to Lima,
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  Speaker 1: you're at sea level, and when you get to Cusco,
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  Speaker 1: it's eleven thousand feet above sea level, right, And for
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people that's like the first that's the
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  Speaker 1: highest elevation that they've ever got into and so it's
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  Speaker 1: it does take a while to acclimate, and so it
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  Speaker 1: is recommended that you arrived to Gousgoo a couple of
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  Speaker 1: days before doing the Much Beach you hike, so that
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  Speaker 1: your body can acclimate. And Much Beach is actually lower
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  Speaker 1: in elevation, so Cousco's higher. So it does give you
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  Speaker 1: that benefit of spending time there and then you're you
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  Speaker 1: do feel better once you're you're at Manchumchu totally.
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  Speaker 2: It was amazing too to see how many people were
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  Speaker 2: there and getting on the buses and and and checking
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  Speaker 2: out the sites. And our tour guide told us like
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  Speaker 2: a number of the thousands of people that passed through
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  Speaker 2: there every day, which like insane numbers, Like the Lamas
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  Speaker 2: are seeing so many people, the like Machu Pichi Lamas
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  Speaker 2: they like they're seeing so many people on a daily basis.
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  Speaker 2: It's really wild to think about. But this, Jonathan, your
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  Speaker 2: your cousin, brought this up that you know, there are
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  Speaker 2: some places in the world because of all the tourism
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  Speaker 2: that potentially five ten, fifteen years maybe won't be as
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  Speaker 2: open exactly to the public, and Machu Pichu being one
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  Speaker 2: of those places because there's so much traffic, so happy
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  Speaker 2: to have seen it while it's still open, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's it's one of those things where
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  Speaker 1: you look at the beauty of something and how the
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  Speaker 1: government in particular has really capitalized on moving money and
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  Speaker 1: moving the economy through this, but then also seeing the people,
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  Speaker 1: the locals, right, so dependent on tourism, and so you
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  Speaker 1: think about some time like COVID where no one was
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  Speaker 1: traveling and how that affected certain communities that were there
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  Speaker 1: when you're so reliant on tourism, and yeah, the beauty
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  Speaker 1: of going and seeing something, but then also like wanting
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  Speaker 1: to preserve it, like maybe we shouldn't actually be able
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  Speaker 1: to go walk down through much virtue at least all
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  Speaker 1: of us. Is there a limit, right, And there's been
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  Speaker 1: talks of that for years now.
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  Speaker 2: Totally. I also appreciated, I think all of our guides
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  Speaker 2: spoke indigenous and indigenous language, yes, and so it was
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  Speaker 2: also amazing the way that all of our tours had
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  Speaker 2: this very indigenous sort of anti colonial framework. And these
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  Speaker 2: are tours, yeah, you know, so like through the cathedral,
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  Speaker 2: through the city, or taking us up even like into
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  Speaker 2: the other historical sites, which was that second tour that
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  Speaker 2: we did, and then via second tour that we did, yes, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and then the Machipichu tour itself, like there was a
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  Speaker 2: very strong you know, indigenous history and contemporary indigenous lens
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  Speaker 2: applied to everything, which I have not experienced on a
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  Speaker 2: tour like in a Latin American country.
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  Speaker 1: And I'll tell you the last time I was in
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  Speaker 1: Munchibuchu and in Gusco was in twenty fourteen. And I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if it's the tour guide that we had,
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  Speaker 1: but that was not the type of history that we
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  Speaker 1: were receiving, oh wow, and not the type of knowledge
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  Speaker 1: that we were you know, being given. So I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if it's if that's across the board the type
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  Speaker 1: of tours that people are receiving, or if that's just
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  Speaker 1: we just got so lucky and that I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: knew for sure when we did the We booked our
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  Speaker 1: tour for the Inca Trail with this tour company called
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  Speaker 1: Evolutions Trekking, and they're a fair trade, ethical tour company,
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  Speaker 1: and that was something that I was looking for when
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  Speaker 1: we were booking, because I know the history and I
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  Speaker 1: know how dependent and how exploited some people can be
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  Speaker 1: when it comes to tourism, So that was something that
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  Speaker 1: I was looking at. By chance, though, when we did
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  Speaker 1: our city tour in Gusco, we did the via sycle
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  Speaker 1: out of the tour. I booked that through our hotel,
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  Speaker 1: which is an option when you're traveling through gous Go.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot of there's a lot of like liaising
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  Speaker 1: happening between the hotels and the tour companies, right, and
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  Speaker 1: so we had the really great opportunity of hearing these
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  Speaker 1: decolonial histories and this decolonial perspective, learning some Guetchua along
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  Speaker 1: the way, hearing things in both you know, this is
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  Speaker 1: how Spanish identified as Gooseg the city of Gusco, but
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  Speaker 1: in Getchu it's actually gost Go. And so hearing those
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  Speaker 1: two comparisons throughout our tours, I think was really powerful
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  Speaker 1: and great in centering the indigenous history of good school
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  Speaker 1: of that region. But that's not something that I had
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  Speaker 1: received before.
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  Speaker 2: Very interesting because yeah, all three of our tour guides, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: gave us sort of that indigenous people's history, yes, of Peru,
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  Speaker 2: at all these different places that they were taking us.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm very surprised to hear that maybe they're in
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  Speaker 2: more recent years because they've all studied. Maybe there's has
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  Speaker 2: been more of a movement, more of a push, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: to incorporate that history.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's definitely something I think we should look into now.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely. I mean gorgeous, gorgeous country. I ate Gui, which
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  Speaker 2: is Guinea pig. Yes, and it was delicious. It was
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  Speaker 2: like chicharron. I loved it, with a side of pafitas.
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  Speaker 2: It was fabulous. I had all paka you did also
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  Speaker 2: very yummy, like i'll pack of skewers. Yes, they were great,
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  Speaker 2: and I mean the food was just to die for.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it really is the best in the world.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry, I mean like formally recognized as number one.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, And I think for me, yeah, it's it's
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  Speaker 1: really fun to go back and also see my family
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  Speaker 1: we spent when we spent some time in Lima, we
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  Speaker 1: stayed with my primot and I got to see just
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  Speaker 1: some other family members on this trip, which was exciting.
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  Speaker 1: And we were there for nine days and it just
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  Speaker 1: that just never feels like enough, you know. I think
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  Speaker 1: by day ten, I was like, Okay, I have to
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  Speaker 1: go back home because we have there's things that need
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: to be done. But I think for me, like going
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  Speaker 1: to bidou like I have to be there three weeks
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  Speaker 1: like that, you know, four days and Lima is definitely
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  Speaker 1: not enough. I need a week there. And there was
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  Speaker 1: still more that I wanted us to do, but you know,
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  Speaker 1: we were on a tight timeline. And I'm actually also
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: writing something for publication about this trip, so I will
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  Speaker 1: share more. I will share that later once once it's out.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: Oh. Yes, we captured tons of content, so expect expect more.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it will be more about this trip. While we
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: were away, there were a lot of things happening, of course,
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: right across the globe, but in La specifically, and so
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: you know, we're coming back off of our break, but
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: we have to talk about some things because Mary Martinez
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: has resurfaced. She is the subject of a new podcast
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: by Eli's Studios, in Perfect Paradise, and it's a four
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: part series, So do what you will with that information.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: But Mala also listened to another podcast that talks about
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: this series, and so she wanted to tell us a
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: little bit more about that today.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Nuri Martinez and Kevin Dalleone have been doing press recently.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: Yes, Katie All recently announced he's this Gottalo running for reelection.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: Yes, he is, and he had a spread in the
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: La Times. Nuri Martinez had her own spread and this
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: Elist Imperfect Paradise podcast, which we have listened to, and
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: it's just fascinating that both of them are doing their
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: press runs at the same time. And it has also
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: been fascinating to track some of the responses to the
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: Nuri Martinez Imperfect Paradise LAS podcast. So in listening to it,
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: you know, it's very biographical. It takes us to like
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: Nery's roots in her beginnings and the start of her
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: political awareness and consciousness and her political career. There is
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: some questioning around the FED tapes. We of course covered
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: the League FED tapes in our episode with Ode La
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: Romero a year ago. Now you can go back and
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: listen to that for the full download on what originally happened.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: And there's a podcast called the LA Podcast and I
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: listened to their analysis of the Nuri Martinez Imperfect Paradise
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: LA's podcast, and what I found very interesting is their
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: observation and I agree with them that a special among
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: Latinos that so much of our focus has been around like,
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: oh well Latinos and are Spanish and this is how
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: we talk and this is what we think, and this
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: is how we're raised, and this is how we identify
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: and we have, you know, these issues with racism. Like
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: it's very I think like our publications with like Latino
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: journalists and writers and thinkers on the subject have focused
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: a lot on that. I agree with that analysis. And
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: something else that they brought in is like we have
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: to remember what they were doing in the room, not
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: just what they were saying, but why were these leaders
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: in the city of Los Angeles getting together. Well, they
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: were getting together to jerry Mander and reduce the number
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: of black seats and reduce black political power because you know, redistricting,
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: and that's what they were in the room to talk about.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: And so I thought that that was super fascinating and
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: super on point, you know, like on some level, who
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: cares about like why they said the things that they
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: said and whether or not they were raised with anti
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: blackness or anti indigeneity in their homes. We know that
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: they were, you know, like we don't actually need to
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: do all of that investigation, but like the way that
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: they were wielding their political power in that space. Can
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: we talk about that? So I just thought that was
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: a very interesting perspective that has sort of helped me
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: to like ground my analysis as these figures Katie L
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: and Nury do their press runs, you know, and they
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: do their podcasts and they do they do their interviews.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: Why are we vote if you're going to vote them
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: back into office? You know, like, just know, this is
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: how they use their political power. This is how they
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: intend to use their political power. This is how they
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: tried to use their political power. So I don't know,
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: it's just very fascinating everything that's going on right now.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: I encourage you to check out that podcast because I
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: think their analysis is spot on. I also think, like
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: our media outlets out there, like why be the Devil's advocate?
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: Like the devil doesn't even advocate, you know, like Homegirl,
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: we knew all this stuff about her life and her
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: beginnings and her origin story because she had a huge platform.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: She's told us any times to share with us.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: We already knew all this. You know, this is not
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: new information.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think my biggest takeaway, you know, the
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: podcast is not over yet. I believe tomorrow when this
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: episode comes out, is the release of their fourth and
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: final episode of the series. So I can't comment yet.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: On that. But so far my thought has been in
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: the way this podcast has been produced and what we're
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: listening as the audience, the information that we're given is
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: that Nuri still hasn't learned. Nuri Martina still has not changed,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: She hasn't actually pieced together that it should not be
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: us versus them, us being Latinos versus black folks, black Angelinos.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: And I still very much feel that that is seeded
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: in there is that belief, and I have not heard
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: the contrary. I think that she does a lot of
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: explaining as to the type of stress she was under,
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: and in some way it is supposed to explain why
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: she was making the comments that she was making because
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: she was so frustrated and so upset and had been
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: experiencing XYZ And to me, that still doesn't matter. You know,
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: we can, we all experience lots of things, right, And
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: the reality is that these were at that time the
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: probably the most powerful Latinos in elected office. And so
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: in one of the episodes they do feature Senator Alex
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Badia and he very much says, you know that he
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: talked to Nurri Martinez and said, this is not okay.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: What you said was wrong. What you did was wrong
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: and what basically saying, we have to walk the talk.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: I can't excuse what you're doing and then go and
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: tell someone else that they can't do that. And so
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: I did appreciate that perspective from like another Latino leader
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: right that has been has worked alongside Norri Martinez for decades.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: The podcast was obviously made, it's an LAist podcast. There
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: is also some belief that maybe this type of show
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: should not have been made, didn't need to be made.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: I don't necessarily know yet, you know, I think I'm
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: waiting to hear the full series before I really decide,
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: Like I'm I guess there's a part of me that's
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: like hopeful that the final episode will kind of redeem
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: the last three. I didn't necessarily think it was providing
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: us anything new other than it's an exclusive with Norri Martinez.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: That's to me, that's what the big thing is. It's
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: an exclusive. But I don't necessarily know that we're learning
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: anything new.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: The media will be made about people who have done
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: terrible things, no matter what, and I think, of course
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: it's it's it's natural to come and ask that question,
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: like should we be making this content about this person,
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: should we be platforming this person? And in the case
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: of journalism in particular, I mean plenty of dictators and
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: figures who have committed her endous crimes. You know, they
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: sit down for an interview with Barbara Walters or whatever,
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: you know, and they have their their special.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: Right, which is why I think it made sense that
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: Elias did make this podcast. Whether you agree with it
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: or not, you know, the point of which is even
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: within journalist is a constant debate now is if objectivity
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: even exists, right. But I can see for a legacy
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: news outlet like Elis feeling like well, to be journalistic,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: to have journalistic integrity, is to be unbiased. So we're
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: going to have this, We're going to make this podcast, right,
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: And that's within the industry, that's a debated topic even now.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, somebody was going to interview her, right, somebody was
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: going she was going to sit down with somebody. And
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: it sounds like Eliis reached out to Nury, texted her,
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: left a voicemail or something, because Nuri's phone number was
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: on Twitter, and that was how they reached out to her,
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: and that they themselves were surprised when Nurray responded and
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: established communication with them, And so she was going to
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: sit down with somebody and it happened to be Elius.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: For whatever reason, maybe she trusts them or she feels
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: comfortable with them, And I wonder, like, was she considering
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: different outlets? Was she thinking do I go and talk
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: to the Elie Times on their podcast?
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: Elias has produced other podcasts about different scandals that have
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: happened in Los Angeles, so not just politicians. They followed
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: the yoga conspiracy theorists that were happening here in LA. Like,
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of different news that they cover. So
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: I think it in a way, it does make sense
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: right that this was the outlet. But again I've seen
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: a lot of also black journalists question on Twitter did
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: this even need to be made? Were there any black
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: journalists in the.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Room that worked on this podcast?
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: So I think questions. People have questions, and that's okay.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: That's part of journalism is it's getting people to think
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: and talk and question.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: I would say, yeah, check it out if you want
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: to hear what Marie Martinez has to say, and if
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: you're interested in hearing the piece that LA Is produced
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: and put out. I mean it's LA news, you know,
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: don't take our word for it.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of different coverage happening through different outlets.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: So yeah, encourage you all to listen and read for yourself.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think too. You know, our parents and our
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: elders and folks who like live in LA and vote
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: and such like. I don't actually know how much like
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: our older folks are in tune with what happened and
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: with this conversation, and especially like there is a lot
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: of so behind KTL. There is, and I think people
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: are very ready to like move on and like forgive him.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah you have to. Again, this is not to justify
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: or excuse KTL, but you think the La Times and
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: they did a write up about him. They quoted a
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: couple of senoras, you know, and he's at food distributions.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: So you're seeing this man give you a turkey for Thanksgiving.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: That's going to be more real to you than maybe
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: you haven't even heard the fat tapes. You don't know
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: what happened. I think that's why I was very telling,
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: why Kevin the Leone did his first public interview with
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: the only VCON in Spanish, very telling. He knows who
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: his base is. He knows the Signoras are going to
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: forgive him, and it seems like they have.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: You know what, maybe the reason Neuri went to elist
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: is because she knew that the older folks were going
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: to forget and forgive her and be ready to move on.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: But she was more specifically maybe trying to speak to
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: like us, our demographic because who listens to an LAS podcast? Yeah,
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I think that this is
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: another reason for us, like especially we've talked about in
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: the past, like when it comes to civic engagement, a
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: lot of times Latinos we will kind of like vote
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: as a family or like, Okay, how are we voting?
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: At least in my experience, and if you have this awareness,
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: you can like continue to talk to your family about
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: like why some candidates we should be supporting and why
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: some we should not.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's definitely a lot of Latinos LATINX
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: folks that vote based on just Spanish surname alone, and
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: so yes, continuing to have that conversation is important.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, these have been some of that happening in the
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: past few weeks. It's been eventful, to say the least.
• 29:52
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