Latest / The Ian Furness Show / Ian Furness 10/5 H2: Hardcore Football with Hugh Millen

Transcript

Ian Furness 10/5 H2: Hardcore Football with Hugh Millen · The Ian Furness Show

• 0:00
  Speaker 1: Now, from the Star Reynolds Sports Desk, your 93.3 KJR
• 0:04
  Speaker 1: FM Sports Headlines.
• 0:06
  Speaker 2: Headlines are brought to you by Frostbrood Coors Light. Cold
• 0:10
  Speaker 2: as the Rocky. Seahawks beat the Chargers 30-23 for the
• 0:14
  Speaker 2: third win of the season. It wasn't pretty. Both teams
• 0:15
  Speaker 2: combined for 30 penalties. 280 yards, including seven personal fouls
• 0:20
  Speaker 2: on the Seahawks. Sam Darnold only threw for 168 yards,
• 0:23
  Speaker 2: but had two touchdowns and one interception. Emmanuel Wilson ran
• 0:25
  Speaker 2: for two touchdowns, and the Seahawks' defense forced the Chargers...
• 0:29
  Speaker 2: They turned the ball over four times in that game.
• 0:31
  Speaker 2: Leonard Williams left the game with an ankle injury. Head
• 0:32
  Speaker 2: coach Mike McDonald said this morning it doesn't appear to
• 0:34
  Speaker 2: be serious. We'll hear more from him coming up a
• 0:36
  Speaker 2: little bit later on this afternoon. Kraken liked playing the Flames.
• 0:39
  Speaker 2: That's an understatement. Seattle hosted Calgary last night at Climate
• 0:43
  Speaker 2: Pledge Arena. Came away with another 6-1 win. If you remember,
• 0:45
  Speaker 2: they opened the season in Calgary last Thursday with, wait
• 0:48
  Speaker 2: for it, a 6-1 win. So they've outscored the Flames
• 0:51
  Speaker 2: 12-2 in two games. That's fun. Vegas Golden Knights are
• 0:56
  Speaker 2: here tomorrow. 6-40 drop of the puck. At Climate Pledge Arena,
• 0:59
  Speaker 2: they were last year's Western Conference champions, Stanley Cup finalists
• 1:03
  Speaker 2: losing to Carolina in the Stanley Cup finals. Major League
• 1:07
  Speaker 2: Baseball playoffs continue. Chicago White Sox-Cleveland Guardians game two at
• 1:12
  Speaker 2: 2 p.m.
• 1:12
  Speaker 3: Tonight.
• 1:13
  Speaker 2: White Sox up one game to none. Tampa Bay up
• 1:15
  Speaker 2: 1-0 on the Yankees. Game two is at 5 o'clock.
• 1:20
  Speaker 2: Disappointing weekend for the local college football teams. UW loses
• 1:23
  Speaker 2: to USC 25-21. Had a chance at the end to
• 1:26
  Speaker 2: take the lead and get the win and Came up
• 1:28
  Speaker 2: just short. Wazoo, they weren't short. They just got smoked.
• 1:32
  Speaker 2: Fresno State beats them 26-6. Wazoo's quarterback is not good.
• 1:37
  Speaker 2: That's among their problems. Lots of other ones, too. Hugh
• 1:40
  Speaker 2: Millen standing by.
• 1:43
  Speaker 1: Your home for the 12th man in the NFL proudly
• 1:46
  Speaker 1: presents Hardcore Football with Hugh Millen.
• 1:49
  Speaker 2: Brought to you by Hunt Services. Hit on the horn
• 1:52
  Speaker 2: and call Hunt. Now here's Hugh with.
• 1:55
  Speaker 1: Ian Furness on Sports Radio 93.3 KJR-FM.
• 2:01
  Speaker 2: Hardcore football, Hugh Millen joins us right now, as he
• 2:04
  Speaker 2: does every Monday, and we switch things up. During the
• 2:06
  Speaker 2: baseball season, we were still talking about the local Major
• 2:09
  Speaker 2: League Baseball team, and so we had Hugh on for
• 2:11
  Speaker 2: a couple segments in the noon hour, and as always
• 2:13
  Speaker 2: is the case, I never had enough time. This is
• 2:15
  Speaker 2: what we've been doing for a while, using the 1
• 2:17
  Speaker 2: o'clock hour for hardcore football. We've been doing that for
• 2:21
  Speaker 2: 18 years or so, since I took over this time slot.
• 2:23
  Speaker 2: Of course, that time slot, Hugh, as you well know,
• 2:25
  Speaker 2: it's been 1-3, it's been 12-3, then it was 1-3,
• 2:28
  Speaker 2: now it's back to 12-3. So we're doing Hugh Millen
• 2:31
  Speaker 2: 1-2 on Mondays because I can't get enough and neither
• 2:33
  Speaker 2: can Seahawks fans. How are you, my friend?
• 2:35
  Speaker 3: I'm doing great, yeah. And with Graz prior to you,
• 2:39
  Speaker 3: I think this hour, I think we used to knock
• 2:42
  Speaker 3: out an hour.
• 2:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:43
  Speaker 3: So, um, yeah, there's a lot to discuss.
• 2:46
  Speaker 2: I'll never forget. I barely had, you know, knew you
• 2:48
  Speaker 2: just briefly been here kind of as the new guy, the, uh, FNG, uh, here.
• 2:53
  Speaker 2: And when I took over that, that afternoon slot, I
• 2:56
  Speaker 2: took over that afternoon slot. My friend, Hugh Millen says,
• 2:58
  Speaker 2: he calls me one day and he says, Ian, you know,
• 3:00
  Speaker 2: I've been doing this hardcore football thing with, with draws
• 3:02
  Speaker 2: for years. And I don't, you may not want to
• 3:05
  Speaker 2: do it. If you don't, that's fine. I, but I,
• 3:07
  Speaker 2: if you want to, I'm, I'm there for you. I'd
• 3:08
  Speaker 2: love to do it. And I said, Hugh, My God,
• 3:10
  Speaker 2: the first thing I thought of when we took over
• 3:11
  Speaker 2: that time slot in the middays, now 18 years ago,
• 3:14
  Speaker 2: I thought, yeah, let's go. I got to do hardcore
• 3:16
  Speaker 2: football with Hugh Millen because I listened to it anyway.
• 3:18
  Speaker 2: I was listening. I was loving it. So I've appreciated
• 3:20
  Speaker 2: you doing this all these years with me.
• 3:21
  Speaker 3: Well, I think I was just planning for my season,
• 3:24
  Speaker 3: just wanting kind of to know if we're on or off,
• 3:27
  Speaker 3: but without trying to push myself on.
• 3:30
  Speaker 1: No.
• 3:31
  Speaker 2: Just wanting to know.
• 3:32
  Speaker 1: No.
• 3:33
  Speaker 2: I was like, hey, you're willing to do it.
• 3:35
  Speaker 3: Let's go.
• 3:35
  Speaker 2: We've been doing it ever since. It's been a ton
• 3:38
  Speaker 2: of fun and great feedback. I want to get to
• 3:40
  Speaker 2: the Seahawks in a second. I need to ask you
• 3:41
  Speaker 2: a question. I brought this up in the first hour.
• 3:44
  Speaker 2: And you've got a unique perspective. Your sons play college football.
• 3:47
  Speaker 2: You've been around big programs with them, Oregon, Florida, and others.
• 3:51
  Speaker 2: And I heard somebody say this weekend, and this isn't
• 3:53
  Speaker 2: the first time I've heard this, and it won't be
• 3:55
  Speaker 2: the last, and it's not like it's a groundbreaking statement
• 3:58
  Speaker 2: made by people, but we're hearing it more and more.
• 4:01
  Speaker 2: And what I'm hearing is the following. Uh, it's, it's
• 4:04
  Speaker 2: called donor fatigue. And what I mean by that is this,
• 4:08
  Speaker 2: if you're donating to a college program and you, and
• 4:12
  Speaker 2: most of the time it's for like a, like you're
• 4:15
  Speaker 2: given NIL money and it might go to like a
• 4:17
  Speaker 2: lineman or what, but we know most of the time
• 4:19
  Speaker 2: it goes to, you know, a skill player or what
• 4:21
  Speaker 2: have you. If you're not getting a return on the
• 4:23
  Speaker 2: investment and, and I don't want to, I'm not going
• 4:25
  Speaker 2: to pick on DeMond because it's, it's too easy. I mean, it's, it's,
• 4:28
  Speaker 2: he's not the only one. I'll look at Cal. I
• 4:32
  Speaker 2: think Cal's got that same situation going on right now
• 4:35
  Speaker 2: with JKS. They spent $ 3 million, and he's going to
• 4:39
  Speaker 2: get benched. He got hurt the other night, but he's
• 4:40
  Speaker 2: going to get benched anyway. What do you say to people?
• 4:44
  Speaker 2: Because you're a college guy. You love college football, and
• 4:48
  Speaker 2: yet fans are being asked to spend this money, and
• 4:51
  Speaker 2: yet if you don't see a return on the investment,
• 4:54
  Speaker 2: then what do you do? In the NFL, you're paying
• 4:57
  Speaker 2: for tickets. You're kind of doing your part by paying
• 4:59
  Speaker 2: for tickets, right? In college, you're being asked now to
• 5:02
  Speaker 2: pay for a player and pay for your tickets and
• 5:04
  Speaker 2: your parking and your seat licensing and all that stuff
• 5:07
  Speaker 2: all across the country. What do you think about where
• 5:10
  Speaker 2: we're at with that stuff right now? Because frankly, a
• 5:12
  Speaker 2: lot of places you're paying for these guys and it
• 5:14
  Speaker 2: just isn't working.
• 5:15
  Speaker 3: Well, and I think that really what the whole entire
• 5:20
  Speaker 3: structure of college football at the top is how bad
• 5:25
  Speaker 3: do you want it? And maybe you have a whale
• 5:29
  Speaker 3: like at Oklahoma State or at Oregon. I think Mark
• 5:33
  Speaker 3: Cuban at Indiana, maybe Casey Wasserman at UCLA. Now, some
• 5:38
  Speaker 3: whales are bigger than others, but by definition, a whale
• 5:41
  Speaker 3: is really big, right? Then other schools may not have
• 5:45
  Speaker 3: a whale, but then everybody contributes. I don't know who's
• 5:48
  Speaker 3: the primary donator at Ohio State, but they have reportedly
• 5:54
  Speaker 3: the highest income for their roster. And so it, it, before,
• 6:00
  Speaker 3: even prior to the NIL era, think of how much
• 6:05
  Speaker 3: the high dollar donors were asked to give for facilities
• 6:09
  Speaker 3: or this, you know, this or that. And that was
• 6:11
  Speaker 3: when players, the terms full ride scholarship is actually, if
• 6:17
  Speaker 3: you delve into it is, is, is kind of either
• 6:20
  Speaker 3: laughable or, or you know, a tragedy because, The NCAA,
• 6:27
  Speaker 3: I know a lot of football dads at the University
• 6:30
  Speaker 3: of Washington from around my kid's era and other schools,
• 6:33
  Speaker 3: like you said, Oregon, Florida, places you'd think you'd have money.
• 6:36
  Speaker 3: And the scholarship itself, I remember going through the budget
• 6:42
  Speaker 3: and going, my kid has less than $ 200 cash at
• 6:45
  Speaker 3: the end of the month or for the entire month. Yes.
• 6:48
  Speaker 3: For the entire month.
• 6:50
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 6:50
  Speaker 3: Beyond $ 200. His actual needed expenses.
• 6:54
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 6:54
  Speaker 3: That's for all spending. And I'm like, what a joke.
• 6:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 6:58
  Speaker 3: And so, you know, I talked to these dads and yeah,
• 7:00
  Speaker 3: we all subsidize our kid.
• 7:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 7:02
  Speaker 3: You know, what about, you know, a kid from a
• 7:05
  Speaker 3: disadvantaged family who doesn't have a... a stable income and
• 7:10
  Speaker 3: they can't give that money. And yet those players were,
• 7:13
  Speaker 3: you know, supposedly on full ride scholarship eating Tom top ramen,
• 7:18
  Speaker 3: you know, the last nine days of the month just
• 7:20
  Speaker 3: to make it to the first. So, so the, the
• 7:23
  Speaker 3: situation was a joke now. Um, uh, and I digress
• 7:26
  Speaker 3: cause that's not really your question, but I think we
• 7:30
  Speaker 3: all understand that the players needed to get more, right. Uh,
• 7:33
  Speaker 3: you could argue about how much more and, and, and,
• 7:36
  Speaker 3: and there's some very, uh, you know, sound arguments on
• 7:39
  Speaker 3: a lot of places, but the, now it's, you're told, look,
• 7:44
  Speaker 3: if you want to compete with Ohio state and the
• 7:46
  Speaker 3: big 10 or Oregon or what have you, you're going
• 7:49
  Speaker 3: to have to donate because, because now on top of
• 7:53
  Speaker 3: everything else you were given, we got to, we got
• 7:56
  Speaker 3: to find a $ 25 million, um, you know, for the payroll. Well, that's,
• 8:00
  Speaker 3: you know, some of that obviously is coming out of the, uh, the, uh,
• 8:04
  Speaker 3: the house settlement and it's paid by the athletic department,
• 8:07
  Speaker 3: but then they're, but then they're still short that money, right?
• 8:11
  Speaker 3: They still, they're still saying, Hey, well, all those reasons
• 8:14
  Speaker 3: we were asking you to give before you still need
• 8:16
  Speaker 3: to give. So, so, uh, I get it. And then, uh,
• 8:21
  Speaker 3: you know, if you're not winning or your, your player
• 8:24
  Speaker 3: isn't playing well, and you feel kind of like you're in,
• 8:27
  Speaker 3: you're like a mini owner in the NFL.
• 8:29
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 8:30
  Speaker 3: Like, you want to call the coach and go, wait
• 8:31
  Speaker 3: a minute, why did we spend a first-round draft pick
• 8:33
  Speaker 3: on him? Why did I, you know, why did we
• 8:36
  Speaker 3: re-up this guy? He's not playing, so he's not worth
• 8:41
  Speaker 3: what we're paying him. And so I think it's real,
• 8:44
  Speaker 3: and I think there's going to be a lot of
• 8:46
  Speaker 3: disillusioned fan bases. You know, they're going to start to lose.
• 8:51
  Speaker 3: And then they're going to be presented with, you know,
• 8:53
  Speaker 3: the answer to start winning more is you've got to
• 8:57
  Speaker 3: give more so we can have a higher payroll.
• 8:59
  Speaker 2: That's what you hear now as a fan. Yes. That's
• 9:02
  Speaker 2: what you hear.
• 9:03
  Speaker 3: An alum, yeah.
• 9:04
  Speaker 2: Right? I want to get to CX, but I'm fascinated
• 9:08
  Speaker 2: by this, and I want to get your– you know,
• 9:10
  Speaker 2: to get your perspective on it, Hugh, because you mentioned facilities.
• 9:13
  Speaker 2: Like back, you know, when I was doing stuff and
• 9:15
  Speaker 2: helping fundraise, you know, and doing, you know, hosting different
• 9:17
  Speaker 2: things for Wazoo, it's like, here's what we did. It's like, yeah,
• 9:20
  Speaker 2: we're donating this. And part of it's for the, you know,
• 9:23
  Speaker 2: the student athlete scholarship fund and all that to provide it.
• 9:26
  Speaker 2: But the other thing is we're helping build facilities, right?
• 9:29
  Speaker 2: As a donor, you're helping build facilities. Well, when you're
• 9:32
  Speaker 2: helping build a facility, there's something tangible. Hell, half the time,
• 9:35
  Speaker 2: like you could have a meeting room with your name
• 9:37
  Speaker 2: on it, whatever. Well, now you're just giving money to
• 9:39
  Speaker 2: Player X. Well, if Player X isn't very good, what's
• 9:43
  Speaker 2: your return on investment? And you just said it well.
• 9:45
  Speaker 2: You kind of have like an ownership stake in this.
• 9:47
  Speaker 2: You feel like you should be calling the coach going, hey,
• 9:50
  Speaker 2: I gave you all this money. What's going on here? Right?
• 9:52
  Speaker 2: That's a lot of pressure on a lot of people, especially.
• 9:56
  Speaker 3: The young people.
• 9:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 9:57
  Speaker 3: And I I think it's, it's just a case. You
• 10:00
  Speaker 3: mentioned the term donor fatigue. You've felt like you were
• 10:06
  Speaker 3: already given as much as you could before.
• 10:09
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 10:10
  Speaker 3: And now it's, it's, it's, it's a new thing. Well, now,
• 10:15
  Speaker 3: now let's say you're at Alabama. What was your currency then? Well,
• 10:19
  Speaker 3: it was Nick Saban's expertise. You know, you're, you're, everybody's paying,
• 10:23
  Speaker 3: you know, the Supreme court in the Austin case said
• 10:25
  Speaker 3: it's horizontal price fixing. And, and it's runs a foul
• 10:31
  Speaker 3: of antitrust law. And, and so, you know, just a
• 10:35
  Speaker 3: simple per se examination, you say clearly this is horizontal
• 10:39
  Speaker 3: price fixing, right? If you want to, call the players labor,
• 10:42
  Speaker 3: which the Supreme Court did. Now, if you want to
• 10:44
  Speaker 3: call them student athletes and then argue some of the
• 10:47
  Speaker 3: old amateurism objectives and how it's distinguished from pro football,
• 10:52
  Speaker 3: the idea being that the consumer, meaning the fan, has
• 10:56
  Speaker 3: to distinguish the product between the NFL and college football.
• 11:00
  Speaker 3: And if the consumer thinks that the players are being paid,
• 11:04
  Speaker 3: then there's no distinction. And so college football loses its
• 11:08
  Speaker 3: competitive edge. That's the thinking that you had coming out
• 11:11
  Speaker 3: of the Board of Regents in Oklahoma and Georgia back
• 11:14
  Speaker 3: in 1984. That's 40-year-old thinking. Now it's no, no, no, no, no.
• 11:20
  Speaker 3: The Supreme Court doesn't want to hear about the amateurism rule.
• 11:22
  Speaker 3: And by the way, not a liberal court, a court
• 11:25
  Speaker 3: that overturned Roe versus Wade, right? And would be inclined
• 11:29
  Speaker 3: to think about the little guy and be pro-player. A
• 11:32
  Speaker 3: very conservative court voted 9-0 against the Supreme Court. And
• 11:40
  Speaker 3: what they're saying is stop with this amateurism excuse. You're
• 11:45
  Speaker 3: horizontal price fixing. You're making upwards of $ 9, $ 10 billion
• 11:50
  Speaker 3: a year, and you're suppressing the wages of the labor.
• 11:55
  Speaker 3: Who's the labor? The players. And so legally, you're just
• 11:59
  Speaker 3: saying this entire scaffolding of the compensation for players is–
• 12:06
  Speaker 3: is runs contrary to the antitrust law so okay what's
• 12:09
  Speaker 3: the next step they deserve i'm part of the pie
• 12:13
  Speaker 3: and until there is uh collective bargaining you know that's
• 12:16
  Speaker 3: why we have all these you know it seems like
• 12:19
  Speaker 3: the wild west because because the courts have said they
• 12:21
  Speaker 3: got to get paid but then where's the structure how
• 12:24
  Speaker 3: they get paid and where does the the fan sit
• 12:26
  Speaker 3: is the fan sits there you know there's a lot
• 12:29
  Speaker 3: of wonderful generous donors you know certainly at wazoo the Washington,
• 12:34
  Speaker 3: you know, the Ron Crockett's, the Neil Dempsey's, the Don Bernard's,
• 12:39
  Speaker 3: you know, the Wayne Gittinger's, you know, like the ones
• 12:42
  Speaker 3: that are, you know, they're just all, you know, Rick
• 12:44
  Speaker 3: Redden before he passed, like all these donors that, and
• 12:48
  Speaker 3: I apologize, you know, there's certainly many that I left out.
• 12:50
  Speaker 3: I can't sit there and list them all. But, you know,
• 12:53
  Speaker 3: these guys, wait a minute, I've been giving millions for years.
• 12:57
  Speaker 3: And now we need what? Like, We're not going to
• 13:00
  Speaker 3: be competitive. We're just going to be all Sarans in
• 13:02
  Speaker 3: the Big Ten.
• 13:02
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 13:03
  Speaker 2: That's the problem here. That's the issue. That's the issue
• 13:05
  Speaker 2: right now. All those guys you talked about, like they've been,
• 13:08
  Speaker 2: like I just walked by, we do the hockey broadcast
• 13:11
  Speaker 2: now in the Big Ten studios. And so I'm there
• 13:13
  Speaker 2: a lot. I'm walking through, you know, I've walked through
• 13:16
  Speaker 2: the athletic facilities for a while. All these buildings have
• 13:18
  Speaker 2: names that you just mentioned on them. They've all helped
• 13:21
  Speaker 2: build all these things up, right? All these different places,
• 13:24
  Speaker 2: the Dempsey Center and all those places, right? And it's like, no, okay,
• 13:27
  Speaker 2: so you want us to give X for the football team, great.
• 13:31
  Speaker 2: But you just lost to USC. You lost to Minnesota
• 13:34
  Speaker 2: at home. And I'm using Washington because it's local. I'm
• 13:38
  Speaker 2: honest to God, I'm trying not to pick on them.
• 13:40
  Speaker 2: But that's the point. Like, you're going to have to
• 13:43
  Speaker 2: go back into your pockets again. What's the return on
• 13:46
  Speaker 2: the investment? Like, that's a hard thing to justify.
• 13:50
  Speaker 3: Trust me. That message is going to be, and it's
• 13:53
  Speaker 3: not going to be unique to Washington. Sorry to interrupt you.
• 13:57
  Speaker 2: Well, your son played with D.J. Ligerway, right? Like, I'm
• 13:59
  Speaker 2: sure that happened down in Florida.
• 14:00
  Speaker 3: Well, he's at Baylor, yeah.
• 14:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he's at Baylor now, but yeah, right?
• 14:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and so it'll happen at a slightly smaller scale
• 14:08
  Speaker 3: at Washington State and the new Pac-12, right?
• 14:11
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 14:12
  Speaker 3: But, okay, let's say Washington, pick a number. let's say
• 14:19
  Speaker 3: they go, I don't know, can they go eight and four?
• 14:23
  Speaker 3: Let's just say eight and four.
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: Let's just say eight and four. Let's say seven and five.
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: Seven and five, okay.
• 14:26
  Speaker 3: Okay, and so let's say they go to a bowl game,
• 14:29
  Speaker 3: kind of a growingly less impactful bowl game because they're
• 14:34
  Speaker 3: not in the playoff, right? Right. And so you're seven
• 14:37
  Speaker 3: and five. Now, what's the message going to be? I
• 14:41
  Speaker 3: know you didn't like seven and five, and you don't
• 14:45
  Speaker 3: have high enthusiasm for the football team, But instead of
• 14:49
  Speaker 3: giving less, you need to give more or Washington will
• 14:54
  Speaker 3: continue to be more irrelevant. That's just prospectively the message.
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 15:01
  Speaker 3: And, you know, there are actually some truth to it.
• 15:03
  Speaker 3: But how does that land on you emotionally when you're
• 15:08
  Speaker 3: not really thrilled with the 7-5? You know, you've gone
• 15:11
  Speaker 3: through the debacle with DeMond. You know, you don't know
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: if the head coach– You're reading reports the coach wants
• 15:17
  Speaker 3: the Michigan job. He wants the Florida job. You don't
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: know if the coach is committed. You got your angst
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: regarding the quarterback's annex. And then now, okay, to have
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: a better record, give more money.
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That's the quandary you're in right now in college football.
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: Like I said, it's not just– How bad do.
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: You want it?
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: Hugh, I was mad. I think a lot of, I'll
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: just use our school to wrap this up because we
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: got to get to the Seahawks in a minute. But I, like,
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: if you remember, Cam Ward was one of the first
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: NIL guys.
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: And comes in from Incarnate Word. And, you know, he goes, so,
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: so the first year he's there, they, they end up
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: going seven and six, four and five in the conference.
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: And I remember thinking to myself, God, we're paying this
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: guy 150,000. Like it is all in. That was like
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: a car, condo, travel for his parents. It wasn't 150 cash.
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: Like that just, that's, that wasn't worth it. Next year,
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: he's making a little bit more. They go five and seven.
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: He transfers to Miami, makes a ton of money and
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: obviously has great success there. But you're thinking, wow. The
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: return on investment, $ 100, 000. So it doesn't matter if it's
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: $ 100, 000 or $ 10 million. Like, what's your return on the
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: investment if you're like all those donors you talked to?
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: It's an interesting world we're in right now. I bring
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: it up because, you know, you look what happens in
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: Cal right now. Tosh Ploy is going through that with JKS,
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: his quarterback, at $ 3 million, I think. And they're not good.
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: So it's just a hard place to be in as
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: a college football fan, as someone being asked to donate.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: You're being told you're a bad fan if you don't
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: write checks for these players. as opposed to writing ones
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: for facilities. It's just, it's a weird spot we're in
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: right now.
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: Well, and look at, okay, Miami, Ty Simpson declares for
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: the draft. He's going to leave Alabama.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: He immediately gets hit up by Miami, you know, starting
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: in about 4 million. And then there's a bidding war
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: between Miami and Oregon. And at some point, um, the, uh, Oregon, uh,
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: they're told, well, listen, there's a good chance he's going
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: to be a first-rounder. Now, I have to include the
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: word reportedly because I don't know how the law works.
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: If I assert something, I don't want to get a
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: call from anybody, right? So just reportedly. So I'm giving
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: myself an asterisk. Does that make sense?
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: And so now, reportedly, there's going to be a difference.
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: Whatever difference... If Ty Simpson comes to Oregon and he
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: plays poorly, then somebody at Oregon is going to match
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: the difference between what they would have made, what Ty
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: Simpson would have made as a first-rounder and what he
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: did make as a third- or fourth-rounder in this hypothetical world.
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: So you're going to take the finance because, well, now
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: Miami gets more involved. Finally, Miami says, hey, we'll give
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: you $ 6 million and guarantee you a $ 9 million offensive line.
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: And yet Ty Simpson still, he goes to the draft
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: and he made his money and it may work out,
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: may not. But look at where Miami's at right now.
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: They got Duke's quarterback, Mensah. Prior to that, they got
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: Georgia's quarterback, the Tom Petty-looking guy, right, who's with the
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: Cardinals now. um, and then they had cam ward. So,
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: so Miami is going to be a player that, you know,
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: at all the, the most experienced guys.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: And look at Oregon, you know, they had, you know,
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: Bo Nix was a transfer. Um, Anthony Brown after Justin Herbert,
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: last time they've had a homegrown guy was Justin Herbert. Um,
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: and you know, then they had, uh, Oh, gosh, who's
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: the guy with the Cleveland Browns? Came from Oklahoma, Dylan Gabriel.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: Dylan Gabriel, yeah.
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: Right? And then now you've got Dante Moore. So programs
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: like Oregon and Miami, they don't even care who they
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: recruit out of high school at quarterback.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: Nope.
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: They just sit back and say, who's the best experienced quarterback?
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: And we'll go through, you know, in 2026, I'll say
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: $ 6 million. Two years from now, it might be $ 10 million.
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: You know, whatever the number, we know what's going on.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: And so now it's like, do you want to compete
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: with them? You know, if you're Florida State, if you
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: want to compete with Miami, you better give. You want
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: to compete with Oregon, you better give.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: You may want to. to, but you may not be
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: able to. All right, we got to wrap it up.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: Let's do a good conversation. Yes, I love having you on, buddy.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: We can go down different roads sometimes, but we got
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: to get to a game that featured 30 penalties, 280
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: yards and penalty yards between the two teams, multiple turnovers. But, Hugh,
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: it's a bottom-line business, and the Seattle Seahawks are 3-1.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: We'll do some hardcore football with Hugh Millen coming up next. Hi,
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: Hugh Millen joins us on Hardcore Football. Let's get to it, Hugh.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: Lots to get to. I want to get to the
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: last sack. We'll do that in the next segment. Let
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: me start first, because I think it brings up a
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: different point, too, and that's blitzing, not blitzing. You're going
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: against a team this week in San Francisco that has
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: not giving up a sack this season in four games.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: My God. But can I just, I want to go
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: down this road just for a second. First of all,
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: real fast, have you ever seen a game in which, well,
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: it historically hasn't happened in like 45 years, an interception
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: to start the game and then an interception on the
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: next play? Like, what the hell?
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: Well, if it hasn't happened in 40 years, yeah, I
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: was like 30 when it happened.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: It's nuts, huh?
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: No, I don't remember that.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: Give me your– let me just– because I asked it
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: almost rhetorically, but let me see this. Sam Darnold, 13
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: for 22, 168 yards, two touchdowns, one reception. JSN, five receptions. Shahid, one.
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: Cup, one.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: And Torrey Horton, one for the touchdown. Your quarterback eyes,
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: in a hardcore way, can you tell me what you're
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: seeing from Sam Darnold the last two weeks? The first
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: week doesn't matter. He only played a couple plays. So
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: the last two weeks, what are you seeing from Sam Darnold? Well,
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: in each game, he's had one very bad interception. The
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: one at Washington, obviously, was a pick six. Now, the people.
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: Around him weren't doing their job, and we talked about
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: that last week. And then there's no excuse for how
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: the game started and that first interception. And it's an
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: indicator of where Seattle had their priorities because they were
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: trying to go play action and hit Rashid Shaheed on
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: a comeback.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: And They had JSN on a deep curl on the
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: opposite side, but they're figuring, okay, let's just threaten the
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: go route and have JSN, or excuse me, Rashid Shaheed
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: run a deep comeback out by the Seahawks' sideline. And
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: the way the Chargers played, it was a four-deep defense,
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: so the corner could play an outside leverage because he
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: had help from the safety on the inside. And it
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: kind of was squatting. You didn't get the runoff that
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: you would have wanted. Seattle would have preferred that the
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: Chargers were in a three-deep defense because then the corner
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: would have had to say, oh, boy, that skinny post,
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: that lane, that region is accessible to the Seahawks. So
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: now all of a sudden he would have played different.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: But as it was, he played a little bit more
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: outside and wasn't there. So now you go to the
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: check down. And Darnold just flat didn't see him. There's
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: no other explanation for what happened there. Didn't see him.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: And that linebacker, 45, help me on his name, but
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: he had lined up on the line of scrimmage. And
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: in that coverage, oftentimes, in fact, the majority of the time,
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: teams play a front, what's called an overfront, to go
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: to the strong side, put the defensive line on the
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: strong side. And that allows the three underneath defenders to
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: be off the ball. And, and then as a quarterback,
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: you can kind of locate them more when they, when
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: they snap the ball and they're off the ball, as
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: opposed to somebody, you know, is he an end or
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: is he going to drop? And then that was play action.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: So Darnold turned his back and then he comes back
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: and he, you know, you think checks on, uh, checks
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: down to the flat and just didn't see him. And
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: now there may have been somebody in, you know, rush
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: or somebody in his view. But I, one thing I
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: can tell you is what looks really stupid on TV
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: or in the stadium is it looks a lot different
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: in the pocket.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: Yes. Because you've got a lot of tall guys around
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: you and they're wearing helmets. And so at your eye level,
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: if you've got a six, five or six, six offensive line,
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: and even if you're six, three, just do the math. You're,
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: you know, the, the optics you're sick. You know, if
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: you're six, three, let's say your eye is at, you know,
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: five 11 or something. Now we've got a alignment of six, six,
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: and he's wearing a helmet. So he's, You know, 6'8
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: with a helmet. Now he's going to be bending down
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: a little because you don't block perfectly straight up. But
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: those helmets can get in the way. You know, and
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: for a shorter quarterback, shoulder pads can get in the way.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: And so he just didn't see it, Ian. There's no question.
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: And it happens.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Tui Polo, too, I think is the guy you're referring to.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: And don't ever make me say that again. You've been
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: joining us.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: No.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: I said, I had that.
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: You're the pro. I'm the amateur.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: You're paid to handle that stuff. I got a hockey
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: game to call tomorrow night. I'm going through Eastern European names.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: Now you want me to go through Polynesian names? Are
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: you kidding me? I spent five years in Utah. I
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: was dialed in for a while. I've lost my touch.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: You're one for one. Go while you're ahead.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: You said something there to wrap up. We've got about
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: four minutes left in the segment here. You said something
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: there to wrap that I want to get to. Right
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: when you started that, what Seattle's priority was? Offensively, what
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: was that yesterday?
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: Well, they wanted to get the ball to Shahid right
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: from the jump, first play of the game. And a relatively,
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: you know, not a deep strike, but they were trying
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: to get a nice intermediate, smoke the ball out. They
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: were trying to get 15, 17-yard gain out on the sideline.
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: And the problem with Shahid, in my estimation, there's a
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: lot to like about him, mainly his speed and that beautiful,
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: graceful stride of his. It's just, you know... You could
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: just watch him run. But it takes him a long
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: time to slow down, so I think he's a relatively
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: easy cover on that. I think at some point Seattle's
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: just got to let him just run as hard and
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: fast as he can and just kind of throw it
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: up there and give him a chance to run under
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: a ball or get a pass interference or something. And
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: even if you don't hit it, then at least you're
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: on tape as that you tried it.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: And then those comebacks are more likely to work. All
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: the stuff, the stop, the whole entire category of stop routes,
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: the deep curls, the comebacks, even maybe the in-breaking routes,
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: the daggers or the square ends or what have you,
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: the hitches and the hooks at shorter depths, all of
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: those are more likely to be open to you because
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: you've at least thrown a go route. So I would
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: just throw it up there once a game to them deep,
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: and I think it'd be worth it.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: Hugh Millen, Hardcore Football. I'm going to take a break here,
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: come back. I want to talk about the last play,
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: the sack, the last play that mattered, not the two
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: kneel downs. The last sack of the game, Nwosu had it.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: Seattle had four sacks yesterday. Two by... defensive lineman, or
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: an edge rusher in Nwosu's case, but you get the point.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: The other two by a linebacker and, I guess, a
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: linebacker because they were Ernest Jones, right? And I believe
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: Imanwari had the other one, if I'm not mistaken. He did.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: So let's talk about that, especially as it leads into
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: the San Francisco game, a team that has yet to
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: give up a sack this season. Hugh Millen, Hardcore Football,
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: continues next. Hardcore Football, Hugh Millen. Let's get right to it, Hugh.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: The Seahawks get the win yesterday. Kind of an ugly game,
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: weird game, strange game. A lot of things happened in
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: that game. Four sacks in the game for the Seahawks. Jones,
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: Eamon Worry, Murphy, and Nwosu get the sacks, including the
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: last one of the game, which let's discuss that one.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: L.A.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: Threatening to tie, have an opportunity to get going, and
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: it didn't happen. They've got a fumble recovery on the
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: sack by Nwosu. Let's talk about that.
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: Well, I find it interesting that there was a little
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: bit of commonality to the Huskies' last play, the fourth
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: and ten down on the goal line.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: Because Jed Fish wanted to get an in-breaking route from
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: the right side and from the outside receiver, and there
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: was a defender sitting right there in the– in the
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: curl zone. And so the area that Fish wanted to complete,
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: there's really one opportunity. And so Gary Patterson, the defense
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: coordinator for SC, he won that chess match on that
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: play and the prior play as well, but we're not
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: talking Huskies. But in this play, the Seahawks, they line
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: up in a four deep on the fumble by Nwosu.
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: And they're trying, they got, Herbert has, three receivers to
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: his left, and they're trying to get the single receiver.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: I beg your pardon. I thought they motioned a trip.
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: I think they stated two by two. It doesn't matter.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: The widest receiver, he's trying to run what they term
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: a skid route, where you come up six steps and
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: then you just break in. And the part, Nwosu's going
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: to get the credit. but there's other aspects that assist
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: in the sack. One of them is just Mike. McDonald
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: calling the perfect play because there's a four deep defense.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: Think of it like an outfield in softball. You know
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: how you got a left center fielder and a right
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: center fielder? So think of four deep in an outfield.
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: What Mike McDonald says, hey, Julian Love, you're going to
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: play right center.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: But at the snap of the ball or at the
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: time you think is, is the right time you come
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: down and play second base.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: Almost like a Rover in softball.
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: He's got that area.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: Okay. Okay.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: Like, like he's got that vertical section. He's got the,
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: what's called the hook zone, but he doesn't line up
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: in the hook zone. He lines up as a deep,
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: Quarter guy.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: As a quarterback, you might be thinking the hook zone's
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: there for you.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you think in front of him that you can
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: get that skid route with the receiver bending in front
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: of Julian Love. And what happens, it's an inviting space because, oh, wow,
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: there's a hole there if I throw it in front
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: of Julian Love. But the construct of the defense is
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: Love has help if he comes and tries to rob
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: that from the top down. But his timing is impeccable
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: because he kind of stands flat-footed because he's looking at
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: what's called the release of number two. And the number
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: two is counting from the outside in. And the tight end,
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: he just kind of goes up and breaks to the flat.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: So he has nothing vertical stressing him. So what Julian
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: Love's thinking is, I'm going to stay deep here until
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: I need to try something different. robs from number one
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: that's my left right that's the side i'm on i'm
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: on the left and oh they're running a skid route
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: now he he just accelerates right into that area comes
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: out of right center field immediately comes to be the
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: second basement obviously there's a scale difference from what i'm
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: talking right no but yeah we got you right and
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: and uh and then now herbert He's about ready to
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: turn it loose, but he can't throw it. But Julian
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: Love caused all this indecision. Meanwhile, Byron Murphy is just
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: forklifting the center back into Herbert's lap. So now Herbert,
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: he's been duped by Julian Love. He's he's got now
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: he's got his center in his lap and, and now
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: he starts to go evade. He never saw the backside.
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: There's a reason why they call it the blind side.
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: The left tackle who is, is this Slater guy that,
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: you know, a hundred million dollar left tackle. He was hurt.
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: So you got a backup guard playing left tackle. New
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: also lines up in a wide nine comes around the
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: edge and did a hell of a job. I mean,
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: he beat a guy that he should beat.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: But if the other part, if Julian Love, if Mike
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: McDonald doesn't call the defense to take away what the
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: Chargers are trying to get, and if Julian Love doesn't
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: play it like a veteran perfectly, and if Byron Murphy
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: doesn't do his job, all of those factors combine to
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: set the table, white linen table with all the forks
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: and the spoons nice for Nwosu. All he's got to
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: do is sit down and eat, and that's what he did.
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: But it's a great play by Nwosu, but it's multifaceted,
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: and so you get the game-winning play.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: By the way, I had to watch it again just
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: to see Byron Murphy quote-unquote forklift the center, which he did.
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: Did he not walk him back? I don't know if
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: you have the All-22.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: I don't have the All-22.
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: Julian Love, he just hovers down in this no-man land,
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: where as a.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: Quarterback, I'm watching an end zone copy now. I see
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: exactly what you're talking about.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: You see how he stands flat-footed, but then he triggers?
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: As soon as he reads skid route, boom, down he comes.
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: But he laid back and baited Herbert into thinking that
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: there was a chance to get that in breaking and
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: a skid route is kind of like a skinny boat,
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: like a deep slant.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: That's what I was going to ask you. It feels
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: like a slant sort of, right?
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: It's a deep slant. It's a six step slant.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: As opposed to a three step slant. So it's going
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: to be up the field, but then, and then you
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: also throttle down because you don't want to run into the,
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: the middle zones, whatever they may be, generally the hook zones. And,
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: and so, So that's, that's, you know, with McDonald being
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: from the McVeigh tree, or excuse me, the Shanahan tree,
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: Shanahan loves that route. And so Seattle was ready for it.
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: Julian Love played it perfect. And that was the, that
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: was the beginning, beginning domino after the play call, obviously.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: The, I got a minute, Hugh, I'm going to ask
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: you this. I need a minute. I know you hate
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: when I do this, but I need, So they did
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: bring pressure more often yesterday with extra guys. Are we
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: seeing more of that this year from Mike McDonald? It
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: feels like they didn't have a high blitz rate last year.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: No, because they did a lot of simulated pressures. I
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: haven't run the numbers yet, but simulated pressures where it
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: feels like a blitz, but it's really only four guys,
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: which means you can play all your standard seven-man zones.
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: You can do two deep, five under. You can do
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: a three deep, four under. You can do The 40
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: quarters with the three under, which has to have man
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: principles within a zone because you can't play zone with
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: three guys underneath in spot drop. You got to match.
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: But when you do a simulated pressure, you're bringing irregular
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: guys and you're playing zone behind it. But there was,
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: I'll just finish, there was a sack that they got
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: where they lined up and showed six guys And then
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: you thought, well, they may back out. They may back out.
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: They didn't back out. They came down hard, and they
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: played a zone behind it with only five guys. And
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: trying to play zone with five guys makes no sense
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: on a whiteboard. But when you get there, then it
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: makes sense. But you had Nick Eamon Worre lining up
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: in a four-point stance, like he's getting ready to run
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: the 100-meter in the Olympics. And you just watch. that
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: long stride in how explosive he is. And, uh, I mean,
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: that is just a murder of a, of a challenge
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: for a, um, offensive tackle. And, and that allowed them
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: to have, they have, uh, DeMarcus Lawrence inside, you know, he's,
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: he's working on guards, you know, that's a problem. And, and, uh,
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: they had, they had, uh, uh, Oh, you know, new
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: Oso on the outside and Derek Hall on the, I mean,
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: they had a whole potency. 99 was on the inside
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: Leonard Williams. And you know, that, that those six guys and, and,
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: and Ernest Jones was the final six, those six guys,
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: like all of those guys are capable of winning their matchups.
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: And now you just bring all of them and you're
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: playing this funky, you know, unsound zone behind it from
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: a quarterback. You go, Oh man, that's, And the guy,
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: it was on him so fast. I can't remember who
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: even got that sack.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: Was it Murphy or Jones? Murphy or Jones?
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: It was Hall.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: It was Hall. Okay.
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no, no.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: It was Murphy, Jones, and Imanwari.
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: It was Imanwari.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow.
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: No, I lied twice. Let me get it the right
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: third time. It was Ernest Jones. Ernest Jones. It was
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: finally credited.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: Ernest Jones. I apologize.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: I do remember that because I've never seen Imanwari, and
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: I'm like, Damn, like that's a hard, like I feel
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: bad for the offense. I almost felt bad for the
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: offensive line there, Hugh. Almost did.
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: Not 100%.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: Almost.
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: Well, when those six guys were, I thought, well, they're
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: going to do another sim pressure because that's what McDonald does.
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: He's going to drop two guys. It's a great blitz
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: because the Chargers don't know which two they're going to drop.
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: They're going to rush for and play their zone behind it.
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: But no, they actually ran the six. But Eamon Worry came.
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: flying in there so fast. Oh my gosh. Like shot
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: out of a cannon.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: Well, here's the deal. This is why we do an
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: hour and we still don't have enough time, but I
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: hear there's more at four probably today with you and softy.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: So I think that's on the docket.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: I think that's on the docket. So more human, I
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: should mention, uh, coming up on Thursday, uh, you're going
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: to be in, uh, the Tulalip casino, right. Doing a,
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: doing a little chalk talk thing.
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: And, uh, yeah.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: So if people want to go.
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: She'd asked me to, to, to do that. I'm like, Oh,
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: All right. We could have some fun with that. We
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: used to do that with the Garage with Gas-a-thon, the
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: gas cares thing. And so I hadn't done it in
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: a long time. And we'll get the video, the coach's tape,
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: not TV copy. We'll get the coach's tape, sideline and
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: the end zone copy. And we'll draw on the screen
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: and talk some X's and O's and almost all CX,
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: but maybe a Husky play or two.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: I love it. All right, so that's Thursday at 5
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: at Tulio Resort and Casino. So if you want to go,
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: text your first and last name, phone number, and email
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: address to 49451. Spots are limited. We'll talk soon. Thanks,
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: my friend.
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: Okay, thank you, Ian.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: Hugh Millen, great stuff. Hardcore football. Mike Sando takes a
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: tour of the NFL with us coming up next.