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- Jogo: Welcome to Best Most. I am your host, Jose Jogo Gonzalez. This is the podcast where we ask the questions, what is the best or what is the most? we ask questions like what is the most ⁓ catchy song in a non-musical and non-animated feature film? Or who is the best TV show sidekick? Before each episode, I ask our online community a question that our guests had chosen as our topic. I then go over the community answers with our guests and we also discuss our own answers. You can check out and answer the questions on the best.most.pod Instagram page. Join the conversation. Our guest today is a fellow podcaster. He has been hosting the Rodriguez show podcast for eleven years. He has a YouTube channel with his wife called Carla and Caesar, where they do music reactions and an advice podcast. I would like to welcome to Best/most, Cesar Rodriguez. Hi and nice to meet you. Cesar R: Hey, great to meet you, man. Great to be here, man. I'm excited to be here. Just want to excuse myself. My voice is a little bit hoarse, but I'm going to do it. I'm going to power through it. Jogo: Heck yeah, let's do this. Okay, so let's get into it. ⁓ So today's question is who the best artist that made great music after leaving a band? As always, our guest chooses the question for the episode. Cesar Rodriguez, what you choose this question? Cesar R: Yeah, so when I was looking at your show, was like, well, what is something I really want to talk about? Who is an artist that I really want to talk about? So I decided on the artist first, and I was like, well, what question can apply to them? And then that's why I chose the question. So I kind of reverse engineered it. was like, who's somebody I can talk about right now that I really am enjoying? And that's kind of how it worked. Jogo: Hmm. Damn, that's cool. I haven't heard that one before. so let's go into our community picks. we're gonna go back and forth, so ⁓ guests so what do got? Cesar R: Okay, so the big one I think that people will say is Michael Jackson. was my friend Kid Vista, he sent me that one. Michael Jackson left the Jackson 5 and then became one of the biggest artists of all time, if not the biggest artist of all time. Jogo: Yeah, that's that's a pretty crazy one. Yeah, I think I have someone else that chose Michael Jackson too, but that's a huge, huge ⁓ solo artist that just became a massive. ⁓ Cesar R: Mm-hmm. Jogo: I mean there's a freaking movie name named after him, ⁓ Brian Dryley, he chose Peter Satara, from the band Chicago. Cesar R: Okay. Jogo: Yeah, good band. Cesar R: Yeah, I love Chicago. They have some of the some of 52624 song that song goes crazy. That's like a guitar solo that blows my mind every time. Jogo: ⁓ yeah, heck yeah. Cesar R: Okay, so another big one, Beyonce. Beyonce was in Destiny's Child ⁓ and now she's also of the biggest artists of all time. ⁓ Beyonce, ⁓ I mean, that was my second pick, I would say, if I had to pick another one after the one I picked, ⁓ because she's just such big influential artist and everything she does is like such a spectacle. ⁓ I mean, I'm just big fan. I've seen her a few times. saw her at SoFi Stadium for the Renaissance tour ⁓ and ⁓ just blown by ⁓ and... I mean, yeah, just and even that's what I gonna say even about Michael Jackson and Destiny's Child is that they had big hits already. So these people didn't have to do that. Like they didn't have to go solo, but then they did. And they just went even further than than you ever could think of, you know. Jogo: Yeah. Yeah, it it's what's crazy about like Beyonce is ⁓ she's a part of that that group of performers or artists that you don't have to be a huge fan of to to know that she's amazing. Like she's undeniably great Cesar R: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Jogo: ⁓ and iconic. So yeah, that's that's great. Beyonce is a great pick. ⁓ so a Whisked Away, he chose John Fushante from Red Hot Chili Peppers. He said, well, he left the Red Hots, then went back, then left again, I think. his solo stuff was pretty good. I did I liked I did I know I really liked this one song and I I had seen Fushante's solo project. ⁓ I he opened up at the Glasshouse for the ⁓ Mars Volta one time. Yeah, it was pretty good. Not not too bad, pretty good. Cesar R: ⁓ that's awesome. Yeah. ⁓ Did Jogo: got? ⁓ Cesar R: stick with alternative music? ⁓ Or how would you his style when he went solo? Jogo: would say ⁓ fairly ⁓ not as funky as as ⁓ Red Hot Chili Peppers at all. It's a little bit more kind of like ⁓ it's like really guitar driven, almost epic sounding, almost like a score of like ⁓ how who's that ⁓ Robert you know like Robert Rodriguez? Cesar R: Nice. ⁓ okay. Yeah, okay. Yeah. Jogo: the film director. A lot of his movies have that weirdly kinda like kind of ⁓ epic guitar kind of scoring. It kinda reminded me of that from what I remember. Cesar R: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. ⁓ okay. Yeah, I like that. I like Robert Rodriguez, because you tell he, puts his soul in the music, too, when he's making those movies, you know? Jogo: Yeah. So yeah, I would definitely ⁓ check out John Frischante's solo stuff for sure. Cesar R: OK. So Dr. Dre was somebody else. That was my last one here. ⁓ So we worked with NWA ⁓ in the 80s his world Wrecking Crew was more like 80s dance music. ⁓ And so him going solo and ⁓ I mean, ⁓ now he's just producer and doesn't do many solo albums, but has like some of the biggest albums of all time, like The Chronic. ⁓ That's a very influential album to ⁓ Jogo: Yeah. Cesar R: as to somebody that just had to do his own thing, you ⁓ Jogo: I think it's kinda cool because like ⁓ from NWA who was huge ⁓ that time, ⁓ and pretty legendary now, ⁓ then going into like ⁓ know, like hit he and Snoop Dogg kind of did their own thing ⁓ ⁓ just becoming ⁓ ⁓ you know, I think that's pretty amazing. ⁓ Cesar R: Yeah, I think for me, the creation of G-Funk, like it was like rapping over funk music. So when I listened to that, it was like, I love this, but also want to hear what they're sampling. And then I blocked the whole other world of like funk and soul music that I hadn't known at that point when I was a kid. So it was such a cool thing. That's why I think it's like, I think to me, Dr. Dre's album, The Chronic is like my favorite hip hop album of all time for that reason. Jogo: Yeah. And ⁓ what's cool about their samples too is like as you mentioned, ⁓ I always think it's a nice like little egg hunt in a way. ⁓ Like when you when listen to an album, Cesar R: Mm-hmm. Jogo: and then like you kinda go out in the world and you hear one of their a song that they sampled from you're like, ⁓ shit This This isn't that song. Cesar R: And Jogo: ⁓ Cesar R: in the the 2001 album what he did was he recreated the samples and made them like more with like an orchestra and stuff so like some of the songs where I was like I'm never gonna hear that original version because the original version is not as good as even the version he recreated sometimes I mean obviously respect to those songs but like ⁓ Explosive there's that song Explosive that sample that That is like that original one is not the same Jogo: ⁓ shoot. Yeah. ⁓ yeah. Cesar R: that he sampled and it's like a little bit more chill but don't know you got me going about Dr. Dre ⁓ Jogo: So let's see. Sam Slick, he chose Curtis Mayfield. He said created a massive legacy after leaving the Impressions. Cesar R: Yeah, Move On Up, my favorite song. A lot of his songs. Honestly, I'll tell you something. I sometimes DJ under a name called Curtis Winfield because I combine Curtis Mayfield and Jules Winfield from Fault Fiction. So Curtis Mayfield is like a big influence on me. try to DJ like soul and like funk music and under that name. that's, yeah, he's a big one. That's funny that you mentioned that. Jogo: Ha. ⁓ cool. Awesome. Good good choice, Mr. Sam Slick. Stephen Joseph Craig, ⁓ ⁓ he chose Ozzy ⁓ and Cube. ⁓ Yeah. Cesar R: ⁓ nice, yeah another one from NWA. Jogo: Yeah, right. It's almost like they they chose the best people for the for NWA to kind of become huge successes. ⁓ Cesar R: Yeah. Jogo: Jason Chavez, chose Cory Feldman after leaving the Goonies and he said, I've got a real one real answer soon. So then later on he sent me another message. ⁓ He said the easy answer is like John or Paul. but didn't make better music but good. And then aside from the Beatles he said Morrissey change said change answer to Bjork or both. Cesar R: Yeah, I didn't know Bjork was in a band or in a group before. Oh, wow. I always just thought of her like as being her own like enigma, her own thing, you know? Jogo: The sugar cubes, yeah. ⁓ for sure. so the next one is ⁓ Don Juan Estrada. This guy always brings the heat with his answers. ⁓ So ⁓ Chris Cornell's work of Soundgarden, worth listening to. Throwing out a perfect circle for Maynard, it's not his creation per se. Ice cube ⁓ after NWA, Bjork left the sugar cubes, Kathleen Hannah did good stuff after Bikini Kill with The Julie Ruin and La Tigre. David ⁓ Dennis Ligzin from The Refused. ⁓ Peter Murphy did a great album. He's the lead singer of Bauhaus. And then he said, ⁓ duh, Iggy Pop after he left the Stooges. Jack White is releasing dope stuff. I think Haley Williams gets some love here after Paramore. A lot to unpack right there, yeah. Cesar R: ⁓ nice. Mm-hmm. Yeah. That's That's a good list. Jogo: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He always yeah, he always has great answers. ⁓ I would say so I did know about the Bjork before the sugar before I mentioned it with the cubes. ⁓ I did you know, admittedly I didn't really send listen to a lot of the sugar so I can't really say. ⁓ if they made really great stuff. ⁓ but I'm sure they did. Who knows? Kathleen Hanna, I recently got into a good a l slight deep dive with her. ⁓ singular talent. Really good really great ⁓ musician or singer, but also her book is really good. ⁓ Cesar R: Chris Cornell, think that's a good pick Jogo: Chris Cesar R: from Soundgarden. Soundgarden. I liked when he, I liked Audioslave, Raging Against Machine, like ⁓ band with him singing, was great from the early Jogo: Yeah. Yeah, I think his voice fit the the the band's aesthetic really well too. are you ⁓ so are you ⁓ a Maynard a Maynard fan, like a tool fan? Cesar R: No, I think that's like one of my only blind spots is Tool is just some of the band I never really got into. Not that I don't like it, I just never took the time to like, okay, I'm gonna check out Tool now, you know? Yeah. Jogo: Yeah, same here. I I I feel like I'm missing out and I just haven't really kind of sat with it. Cesar R: Yeah. And I feel like ⁓ it like music depends on what year or when you are in your life to listen to it. Because I used to not like LCD sound system when I was like ⁓ like early twenties. And now I'm like, this is amazing. I have the patience for it now. ⁓ And know, ⁓ I it just depends on like how old you are sometimes. ⁓ Jogo: Yeah. D so d when you were a teen did you know about L C D sound system though? I didn't. I didn't at all. Yeah. Cesar R: Yeah, yeah, I would. ⁓ Yeah, it's just like I don't know how I found out. I think I heard the Daft Punk song that Daft Punk is playing in my house and I was like, ⁓ that's cool. And then just because in my 20s when I started going to like Coachella and stuff, they were there and I was like, what? And then I started getting into it I didn't really even then like my first Coachella ever 2012, I went to see Radiohead and I saw it and I appreciated it and that's what made me a fan. But before I was like. Jogo: ⁓ Cesar R: I don't know about Radiohead, which is a crazy thing to say, yeah, I don't know. It just takes like paying attention and like actually getting into it to appreciate it. Jogo: Ha. Yeah. Well like Radiohead, I remember listening to Pablo Honey and I was like, I don't know about Radiohead. And then and then years later I was like, ⁓ shit, Radiohead ⁓ But if you like Pablo Honey, hey, enjoy it. No big deal. ⁓ let's see, so Cesar R: Hehehehe... Hehehehe... Yeah Yeah. Jogo: David Antonio Garcia, he chose Father John Misty. He said short-lived drummer for Fleet Foxes, but I think his career has eclipsed F Fleet Foxes. Mark Kozl Kozalik made some great albums in the 90s, made better music in the 2000s and the tens. ⁓ I don't know. I I mean I do like Father John Misty, but I also really, really, really like Fleet Foxes. Like Cesar R: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Jogo: I feel like Flea Foxes had I mean, but I guess the question is is is ⁓ like who made great music after, right? So I just don't know if they eclipse if Father John Misty f eclipsed Flea Foxes. That's a hard one to say. Cesar R: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. don't think that he eclipsed him, but I do think that they're known pretty well as separate entities. Like Father John Misty is still pretty big on his own. And ⁓ guess it depends on whether you feel like the music lived up to what he was making with Fleet Foxes. And I don't know. ⁓ Jogo: Yeah. Yeah. True. And last one I have here from the community is ⁓ Base Boomer 83. He chose Michael Jackson, which is full circle what we talked about earlier. So yeah, Michael Jackson. Undeniable greatness. And I think we've talked about Michael Jackson in pr ⁓ previous episodes, so we're not gonna go into him now, but good choice. Really good choice. Cesar R: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Jogo: so now is the time to go into our s ⁓ our personal picks. so ⁓ Again, today's question is who is the best artist that made great music after leaving a band? Cesar Rodriguez. What is your answer for this question? Cesar R: It's gonna be Jack White for me. Jack White, somebody left the white stripes, obviously created anthems with the white stripes, but I think after he went on his own, he created a genre of music that it like encapsulates like the swag of like hip hop, but like in his own version of it. And so I think what he created after the white stripes, even though the white stripes have Seven Nation Army, which is like a song recognized all over the world, I think that that's great and that's like one thing of it and I love the White Stripes but Jack White on his own right now what he's doing with music and just the way that he advocates for like ⁓ records and like still trying to keep like ⁓ vinyl alive and like has been successful at it because now it's like a thing again like it goes in cycles I just feel like he's doing a lot for music and he needs to be appreciated more not that he's not but Jogo: ⁓ yeah. Yeah, I think so too. I you know, it's like some artists kinda come and go and I think he's just like here to stay for as long as he's alive and as long as he's being creative, for sure. Cesar R: Mm-hmm. Yeah, and it did take a minute like after the white stripes He started doing a little more like southern influenced like rock music Even more like banjos and kind of banjo violin combinations and I was listening I was listening to that before we started recording and I was like it was cool But once he started going into more like heavier rock sounds Like further than he did with the white stripes. I was in my mind every time I listen to the record and my mind's like blown I'm like, where's this guy gonna go next? ⁓ Jogo: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Well even like with with what is it, the Raconteurs ⁓ was ⁓ I I like his solo stuff a little bit more than Raconteurs for sure. A lot more. But ⁓ yeah, that guy's super talented, man. I remember it it a funny, stupid fun fact was I remember ⁓ he first cut his hair, I that's the that's the picture I would show to my barber and I'd like, this ⁓ that guy just has style days as well, ⁓ Cesar R: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, that's cool. I can see that. You know, it's funny is when now that he has longer hair, I saw him performing an SNL during the pandemic and I was like, I want to have hair like that. And I kind of got that. So we both got inspired hair wise by him as well. That's funny. Jogo: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. So ⁓ did you have any other choices or any like renterers up or anything like that? Cesar R: ⁓ I had mentioned Beyonce, and so the person had done that. And then I did want to mention the song that Jack White and Beyonce did together, ⁓ doll called Don't Hurt Yourself off her Lemonade album. I think that is like two people coming together and creating such a dope song. it's like, like if Beyonce sang a Jack, it is her singing a Jack White song, because he definitely wrote that for her. And it's such a powerful song. ⁓ Jogo: Yeah. Cesar R: Yeah, I mean, yeah, Michael Jackson was my other one, but we went into that already, but those are some great people man Jogo: ⁓ yeah, for sure. ⁓ so I I do have a couple of picks. ⁓ so I'm gonna go my talk about my honor honorable mention first. I'm not gonna go too deep into it, but ⁓ have you heard of a of a artist named Sisami before? So she's ⁓ she's a solo artist, Cesar R: No. Jogo: She goes by the name of Sasami. Her full name is Sasami Ashworth, I guess. Sa it's just her first name. ⁓ but she was in a band called Cherry Glazer. ⁓ that was not a not a huge internationally known band, but a pretty n fairly known band. And ⁓ she was a keyboardist. I would say she's she's really good. Cesar R: Okay. ⁓ Jogo: Also I guess another runner up is Bjork. I had that for sure. Cube became w more of an undeniable artist and singular voice in music. There are a few artists that have a very specific voice in sound and she's one of them. So but my my main ⁓ artists and ⁓ initially Jason kind of mentioned Jason Chavez mentioned that in the Beatles they made great music and then the ⁓ the you know the members made good music going out of the Beatles. But I do think that Your question was mostly what made great music after, right? But not to say that they didn't make great music before, but still made great music. I think John Lennon made great music with the Beatles, but also made some great music on his own. Cesar R: Mm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Jogo: so I just wrote this really quick. ⁓ John Lennon has a gift of writing meaningful, beautiful, vulnerable, hurt hurtful at times, raw and fully well rounded lyrics that express a whole emotional relatable idea. He has like a a gift to make concise lyrics with with in his solo work he has even more honest shit. I'm just gonna go off the heart. ⁓ so pretty much I do I do think that he makes very honest music. ⁓ n a lot of his music wasn't quite consistent. Like I wouldn't say John Lennon's solo career was full on like all the good stuff, everything was amazing and bangers. But I will say that there are like amazing and anthems that we we listen to today, like you know, ⁓ instant karma or ⁓ imagine or just there's so many of them. so to me I think he made great music outside of the Beatles as well. And yeah, like I to he's one of my favorite artists. Might maybe not my favorite people, but one of my Yeah Cesar R: Yeah, exactly. But I get what you're saying. Like he did make stuff where I guess out of all the Beatles, because Paul McCartney with wings and stuff, but Paul McCartney on his own, there's no imagine there that I can think of at this moment. I could be definitely wrong. I mean, imagine such a big like song. It also kind of is even further than John Lennon at this point. But the fact that it traces back to him is really cool. Jogo: Yeah. Yeah. Well, 'cause you have 'cause even if you have like okay, you have Paul McCartney, Maybe I'm Amazed, you have a few ⁓ some bangers with with Paul, right? But I would say that like you have a whole lot more with John, Cesar R: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Jogo: ⁓ and kind of more heartfelt songs that you could feel, you know, like like I I think Paul McCartney did really great making a good ⁓ really great pop ⁓ Cesar R: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Jogo: I just don't feel like a lot of his songs, and I d I don't wanna c like you know, if any if you love Paul McCartney, fucking love him 'cause he's a he's an amazingly talented songwriter. But I always felt like John Lennon wrote songs that you could feel Cesar R: Thanks for Jogo: in your heart, you know? Cesar R: Yeah. Jogo: and George, I felt George was great too. I think his first his first album, ⁓ All Things Must Pass ⁓ ⁓ amazing. ⁓ but say throughout years I wouldn't say I I remembered a lot of George songs. ⁓ Cesar R: No, no, think what you're saying about John Lennon is correct, man. It's just somebody that stood the test of time as a songwriter. mean, the Beatles in general, but John Lennon specifically, you know. ⁓ It's ⁓ funny that now that you've mentioned him, like I have of a few other examples of people that are like, have created music that stood, like even the example we used the story when you posted it, it was Harry Styles, right? One Direction. Jogo: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mm-hmm. Cesar R: Even though you remember the songs, you're like, ⁓ they were fun pop songs. Like he's making music that's like really hitting now on his own. Like some of that really emotional tracks that you were like, wow, I didn't expect this from the one guy, one guy from one direction. Jogo: Yeah. Cesar R: Like that evolution, Like that evolution, Jogo: for sure. for sure. Cesar R: you know? Jogo: Well also like ⁓ like I I par I s I partly put his picture there 'cause there's a joke on the on the you know thing but ⁓ Harry if you really think about it you could be a fan or not. I do think that Harry Styles kind of does pop in a different way. Like is his his his own way and I don't I I think that's pretty impressive really. Cesar R: Yeah, somebody that's like authentic. look at him and be ⁓ that's he's just who he is. Like not faking it for us. Like that's just him. ⁓ Jogo: Yeah. Yeah, for sure. And he does take a lot of swings with style and like how he approaches his career, I think. But for sure, Harry Styles. By the way, I do like that you're I I do feel like there's a lot of people who are who are very s ⁓ not close minded, I don't wanna say that, but they're ⁓ they kinda like go towards a certain type of music. Cesar R: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Jogo: and they live there for a good while, you know, in general. I think you seem very like open. I th just even talking about the Harry Styles thing in Beyonce, I'm like, dude, that's pretty impressive. That's really cool. Cesar R: ⁓ man. Yeah, I think there was a certain point in my life where I'm like a good song is a good song like it doesn't matter what genre it is like if it's a good music I'm gonna listen to it and It's funny story about that. I was in a room I was working in an ice cream store like years ago and it was me and two other guys and they were playing Rihanna on the radio and the guy was like we need to change this we're listening to there's three government listening to Rihanna we can't do this and I was like what are you talking about? This is a great song Jogo: Yeah. Cesar R: And I think that was the moment where I was like, who cares? If I listen to good song, I'm just gonna enjoy it. Who cares who sings it? What does it matter? Jogo: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, dude, because it's true, it's I'm I'm the same way. I love pop music. ⁓ I you again growing up with Michael Jackson, with Prince, ⁓ Madonna, like with ⁓ just so many ⁓ artists, it's hard to and again I I was in a band, I played ⁓ I was a singer and writing melodies is not very easy. Writing good maladies is not very easy. And having a great voice, I didn't have a great voice, I had a okay voice, but like you can appreciate a great voice, you know, and a great melody. So to me, like Justin Bieber, ⁓ Brittany Spears, all those kind of people, like to me I'm like, dude, you can say what are you what you want about these people, but their voices are amazing and whoever wrote that melody, even if it wasn't them, amazing. So yeah. Cesar R: Yeah. Yeah, like anybody that can get to Justin Bieber's level, they can't get there without the talent. You know what saying? Like even everything else is what it is, like the circus, the media circus of it all. But like he had he got to this position because he had that raw talent to get him there. You know, Jogo: Mm-hmm. Yeah. I agree. Cesar R: before I know ⁓ we've been going for a bit, but I wanted to mention somebody that it's ⁓ like maybe they didn't make the music or I don't know. This is just what I'm thinking. ⁓ David Byrne from the Talking Heads, right? Like. Jogo: ⁓ yeah. Cesar R: He makes amazing music, but people still want to go back to the Talking Head stuff. that's just like, his sets, like the songs that get the bigger reactions are the Talking Head songs, but he's still a genius, you know? Jogo: Yeah. Yeah. You know what I w I thought about ⁓ David Byrne because I was like, ⁓ shit, David Byrne's like genius. ⁓ also a very good book too. ⁓ but anyways, I just but then I was thinking, I'm like, yeah, the same thing. I was like with Talking Heads, I think he made great songs, that's what he's known for. I I probably really kinda like there's this one song I really like like called like Something not at home or s I forgot what he had this really good song and it was in the soundtrack with this movie with Tophor Grace ⁓ that I had heard and I was like, fuck, that's a great song. ⁓ so I had I didn't really dig into his his solo stuff, but ⁓ yeah, I don't know. Is it is it great or is it good or have you heard any of his stuff? Cesar R: Yeah, there's a song called Strange Overtones, I would suggest that. yeah, it's not, I mean, to me, like the Talking Heads, the Stop Making Sense album is like amazing. And so nothing is going to beat that for that he puts out. But he still makes stuff where I'm like, still enjoy this song. So I would say great, but I wouldn't say he's one of the greatest artists that had left a band and made even better music, you know. Jogo: Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Cesar R: Still, I don't want to diminish him. He's still amazing. Jogo: At all. No, yeah, dude. And plus he's he he's had like a certain renaissance too with his ⁓ Broadway show too. ⁓ which is great. Have you ever seen it? It's it's so fucking good, dude. Cesar R: I've seen, yeah, I've seen that how like he incorporates like there's no like people, there's no band setup, it's just everybody's in a group they're dancing and the instruments are attached to them and it's so cool. Jogo: It's so good. I mean to me I yeah David Burns is still amazing. ⁓ So has been our show. ⁓ Thanks joining us on this journey, Caesar. Did you have fun? Cesar R: It was fun, man. It was fun talking about music. I don't get a chance to sit there and just talk music with somebody, you know, as often. Jogo: ⁓ yeah. ⁓ yeah, heck yeah. ⁓ so is there anything that you would like to plug or anyone ⁓ that you would like to do a shout out for? Cesar R: Yeah, so the Rodriguez show I interview artists I've been interviewing music creatives honestly, because it started with just bands and then started with rappers and started and then bands and now it's like, if you're a creative person, I want to talk to you about your story. So I've been doing that for 11 years at the Rodriguez show on YouTube. My wife, Carla and I we have a music reaction channel, Carla and Caesar. We listen to new albums and we react to them. And then we also do a self help advice kind of podcast because we do a lot of self help work. So we talk about the work that we do. And then we do like a Reddit, am I the asshole questions. And then I found out that everybody does that on YouTube, but it's still, it's fun to do. then, yeah. And then I also freelance podcasts for people. if anybody's like listening, they want to start a podcast, hit me up at Rodriguez podcasts and I can help you get started. Jogo: That's cool. Mm-hmm. Cool. All good stuff. Cesar R: Yeah. ⁓ Jogo: ⁓ I'm gonna I'm gonna put a link to your YouTube channel on the show as well. ⁓ so people can find that. And ⁓ again, thank you to anyone who answered the our questions or question and also thank you for listening. If you're listening and want to know where to find the questions for future episodes at best.most.pod on Instagram. Also rate, like, comment, subscribe. I truly appreciate it. And ⁓ remember there are no guilty pleasures when it comes to music, movies, and all art preferences. Love what you love and Cesar R: Awesome. Jogo: Enjoy what you enjoy. That connection, such a gift. And until the next time, take care and take care of each other. Bye bye. Cesar R: Awesome, man. That was fun.