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Ohio State Recruiting Reset: Where Do The Buckeyes Stand For 2025 And Beyond? · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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  Speaker 1: Givler and Kevin Noon with the Skull Session recruiting podcast.
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  Speaker 3: Weird situation Saturday where it's just a Mac team but
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  Speaker 3: they played the ohiosly played so well that everyone's so
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  Speaker 3: fired up. So it's been a good time on the
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  Speaker 3: site here the last few days, kind of breaking down
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  Speaker 3: the big win. Recruiting is in kind of an interesting
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  Speaker 3: place right now. I wouldn't say the class is full
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  Speaker 3: by any stretch of the imagination, but what's kind of
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  Speaker 3: I think we're seeing a shift now from kind of
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  Speaker 3: recruiting these uncommitted guys to keeping what you have and
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  Speaker 3: maybe trying to flip some guys from other programs, and
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  Speaker 3: so it's getting a little bit interesting. We're kind of
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  Speaker 3: entering flip season right now, so we may talk a
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  Speaker 3: little bit about that. But you know, Kevin, you're at
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  Speaker 3: the game on Saturday night. What have your impressions been
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  Speaker 3: so far watching the team live here the last two weeks.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that watching the team here this last week,
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  Speaker 2: they really grew on certain aspects because Okay, you can
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  Speaker 2: look at the Akron game in Week one, fifty two
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  Speaker 2: to six. You know, they ended up doing it with
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  Speaker 2: fourteen points off of defense everything else. I think this
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  Speaker 2: game against Western Michigan, we really saw the offense find
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  Speaker 2: its footing. I think we really kind of saw some
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  Speaker 2: differentiation in how the offense is constructed under Chip Kelly
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  Speaker 2: versus what maybe Ryan Day was doing. I think we
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  Speaker 2: saw a lot more RPO type stuff under you know,
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  Speaker 2: in this second game. And I think that a lot
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  Speaker 2: of teams on Ohio State's schedule have taken notice now
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  Speaker 2: because Okay, you played a couple of MAX schools and
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  Speaker 2: I'm not taking anything away from the MAC. We saw
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  Speaker 2: this Western Michigan team lead Wisconsin in the fourth quarter.
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  Speaker 2: We saw a Western Michigan team that probably could have
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  Speaker 2: beat Wisconsin in that fourth quarter and just kind of
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  Speaker 2: came up short. Oh by the way, Northern Illinois, who
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  Speaker 2: defeated Notre Dame, is in the MAC. So what Ohio
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  Speaker 2: State has done has been pretty impressive. Now, it's not
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  Speaker 2: always apples to apples. It's not always apples to apples.
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  Speaker 2: You can't sit there and say, well, Western Michigan is
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  Speaker 2: equal to Northern Illinois is equal to Akron. No, there
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  Speaker 2: are various levels in the MAC, just like there are
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  Speaker 2: various levels in the Big Ten. But you know, I
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  Speaker 2: think that the excitement is starting to crescendo this open
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  Speaker 2: week following this weekend. You know, there are a lot
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  Speaker 2: of people are like, well that is that's like a momentum,
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  Speaker 2: buzzkill or whatever. Well, you're gonna have to do two
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  Speaker 2: of them. Yeah, Week three maybe a little bit early.
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  Speaker 2: Ohio State's second one, coming October nineteenth, may feel a
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  Speaker 2: little bit early as well, but it is what it is.
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  Speaker 2: You have to deal with what the schedule makers give you.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, I'll end my comments on this with
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  Speaker 2: two words, Jeremiah Smith.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's one of the things I wanted to talk about. Guys,
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  Speaker 3: we kind of you know, this is we're happy to
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  Speaker 3: do this. Talk about the team. If you guys have
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  Speaker 3: team questions, We're happy to talk about that too, But
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  Speaker 3: this is obviously at its core is our recruiting show,
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  Speaker 3: and I wanted to kind of tie in a few
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  Speaker 3: things that we've seen here the first couple of weeks
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  Speaker 3: to recruiting, and one of those, of course, is Jeremiah Smith.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, I've talked about it now several times
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  Speaker 3: on different shows and on the website about how I've
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  Speaker 3: always been the person who you know, well, so and
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  Speaker 3: so is going to start as a freshman. Well, no,
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  Speaker 3: they're not, like that's that's outrageous. Let's not put that
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  Speaker 3: expectation on these freshmen. And Jeremiah was kind of the
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  Speaker 3: first guy where people ask me like, hey, is you
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  Speaker 3: think am I could start as a freshman? And my
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  Speaker 3: answer wasn't just maybe. My answer was, oh, he's going
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  Speaker 3: to start as a freshman. I don't think anyone in
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  Speaker 3: that room is going to keep him out of the
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  Speaker 3: starting lineup. And sure enough, he has been as advertised,
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  Speaker 3: if not even better. You know, is he their best receiver?
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  Speaker 3: You could make the case that he is obviously a
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  Speaker 3: Mecca is very good. Carnel Tate's very good, but it's
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  Speaker 3: kind of flowing off what we were hearing in the
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  Speaker 3: spring when people around the program and we've got to
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  Speaker 3: watch some spring practice too. But then you talk to
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  Speaker 3: people around the program who are at the scrimmages and
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  Speaker 3: and we're seeing everything every day, and you were getting
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  Speaker 3: a lot of feedback that you know, yeah, he's going
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  Speaker 3: to start, but he might actually be the team's best receiver.
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  Speaker 3: He might and and that is just a shocking thing
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  Speaker 3: to hear because I do think a Mecca buke well,
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  Speaker 3: a Mecca Bukat to me, is going to be a
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  Speaker 3: first round pick. And I think there's a good chance
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  Speaker 3: that Carnel Tate is going to be a first round
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  Speaker 3: pick in a couple of years. So to come in
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  Speaker 3: as a true freshman in spring and establish yourself at
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  Speaker 3: that level is very unique. And like like I've said before,
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  Speaker 3: he's one of the two best high school football players
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  Speaker 3: I've ever seen since I've been doing this, So you know,
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  Speaker 3: just it's it's translating already. So it's obviously very exciting there.
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  Speaker 3: But the thing I kind of want to get into
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  Speaker 3: right now is we're seeing some interesting things happen around
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  Speaker 3: the country right now. One school that has had a
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  Speaker 3: lot of recruiting momentum has has been Auburn and whether
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  Speaker 3: that's commitments, whether that's getting other people's commits on campus
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  Speaker 3: for games. Thank you for the comment, uh, Sue, I
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  Speaker 3: hope Autry and offered, we're watching the Auburn game. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: like that's that's not nothing. Yeah, I've talked about this before,
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  Speaker 3: how Auburn's been the team to watch for name offered,
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  Speaker 3: like if Ohio State was going to get burned on
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  Speaker 3: by Naheim offered that Auburn was going to be the
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  Speaker 3: most likely program to be able to do that. And
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  Speaker 3: there's obviously others like Alabama and Oregon are trying, and
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  Speaker 3: but Auburn has been kind of the school I've been
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  Speaker 3: told to watch really since the day he committed to
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  Speaker 3: Ohio State. And that was ugly on Saturday. That was
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  Speaker 3: really ugly on Saturday. And you wonder, because Alford's an
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  Speaker 3: end State kid, how much of that's going to matter.
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  Speaker 3: I think it does for him. I think it does
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  Speaker 3: for him. I don't think it does as much for Audrey.
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  Speaker 3: Audrey for Malie Austriy to the defensive tackle grew up
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  Speaker 3: right down the road from Auburn. I mean it's like literally,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, you might be able to have vortex.
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  Speaker 3: Those vortex footballs you can throw like a million yards.
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  Speaker 3: I think you might be able to hit Auburn's campus
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  Speaker 3: from his high school. It's it's really close. So I
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  Speaker 3: think we're talking two different situations here. I think Audrey
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  Speaker 3: is just kind of a key possible convinced this kid
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  Speaker 3: to not be a homebody. His parents are from the area.
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  Speaker 3: These are people that we kind of joked about this story,
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  Speaker 3: like Mike Weber's recruitment, which Ohio State ultimately was able
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  Speaker 3: to hold onto that commitment and actually win that recruiting race.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, people would joke to me that, you know,
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  Speaker 3: Mike Weber's dad had never left Detroit, and you know,
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  Speaker 3: and I kind of mentioned this when as a positive
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  Speaker 3: for Ohio State and they were pursuit of Zach Harrison,
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  Speaker 3: was like, I don't know if Zach Harrison's dad has
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  Speaker 3: left central Ohio since the family moved there. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: That already that they never left like the eight blocks
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  Speaker 2: of their households.
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  Speaker 3: Right, and so like, I don't know that Malik Audrey's
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  Speaker 3: parents other than the visits. He's a couple of these
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  Speaker 3: official visits. I don't know if they've ever left like
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  Speaker 3: that little, you know, corner of Alabama, So that is
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  Speaker 3: going to be a much different monster, I think in
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  Speaker 3: terms of how Auburn's on field stuff impacts recruiting. But
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  Speaker 3: I do think it's something to watch for Auford because
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  Speaker 3: I do think one of the big reasons Ohio State
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  Speaker 3: was able to get the early commitment was the uncertainty
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  Speaker 3: around the end state programs. You know, you have a
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  Speaker 3: coaching change going on at Alabama, you don't know how
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  Speaker 3: that's going to go necessarily, and then Auburn just is
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  Speaker 3: the I'm not you know, I'm not trying to like
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  Speaker 3: do Ohio State's bidding here, but you know, Auburn has
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  Speaker 3: been irrelevant for a long time. They have not been
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  Speaker 3: relevant in a while. They've been kind of pushed to
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  Speaker 3: the periphery of college football over the course like the
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  Speaker 3: last decade. So, like, I think that was big in Ohio.
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  Speaker 3: So if if Auburn is unable to show that they're
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  Speaker 3: trending in the right direction, I do think that helps
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  Speaker 3: Ohio State. Even with my skepticism that surrounded that recruitment,
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  Speaker 3: really since they committed to Ohio State, so.
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  Speaker 2: We talked so much that one game doesn't really change
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  Speaker 2: the outlook of a kid. But with that being said,
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  Speaker 2: if the trajectory of the program doesn't look like it's
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  Speaker 2: in the right direction, if it doesn't look like a
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  Speaker 2: coaching staff may be longed for being there, there are
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  Speaker 2: a lot of factors that can kind of go into it.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, we've said it before in Ohio State
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  Speaker 2: has not lost many games here recently. Unfortunately, I can
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  Speaker 2: name three of them that they've lost that people are
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  Speaker 2: going to have major issue with. But it's not going
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  Speaker 2: to be a case of one game doing that. But
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  Speaker 2: what is Auburn doing at this point? Does Auburn look
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  Speaker 2: like it's in the right direction?
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  Speaker 3: No?
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  Speaker 2: Does Auburn I mean, does it look like that that
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  Speaker 2: staff is going in the right direction. No, it doesn't.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, if you are in an Auburn suburb, if
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  Speaker 2: you're in Opalaika, which is a suburb, then it's like
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  Speaker 2: a kid from Pickerington, you know, just to do a comparison,
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  Speaker 2: maybe even closer, probably closer Kidden Upper Arlington to Ohio State.
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  Speaker 2: It's that it's that close. But for you know, for offered,
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  Speaker 2: I name offered who is not in an Auburn suburb
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  Speaker 2: per se. You know it's going to be something that
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  Speaker 2: he's going to take pause with. And you know, I
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  Speaker 2: just think even maybe his personality too. The kid's a winner.
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  Speaker 2: I think the kid wants to be part of a winner.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think Auburn is a winner at this point.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, I think Ohio State has to kind
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  Speaker 2: of keep banging on that drum of yeah, sure you can.
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  Speaker 2: You could stay home and be the in state hero
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  Speaker 2: and everything else, and you can have your Decembers in
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  Speaker 2: januaries off. But if you go to Ohio State, you're
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  Speaker 2: going to be a little busy because you're going to
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  Speaker 2: be playing for football titles.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I just think again, you hit on it well
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  Speaker 3: if you know, one game isn't going to decide this
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  Speaker 3: type of thing. But when your narrative all summer is
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  Speaker 3: we're on the right track, We're going to have a
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  Speaker 3: good season this year. You're gonna see results, you're going
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  Speaker 3: to see improvement, We're going to be back, We're going
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  Speaker 3: to be back in the mix in the SEC or
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  Speaker 3: upward trajectory, all the cliches you want through out there,
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  Speaker 3: and then you lose it home to col it it's
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  Speaker 3: not great. It's not great. So we'll see.
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  Speaker 2: Like I said, a lot of lives, there are a
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  Speaker 2: lot of G fives that would have been an easier
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  Speaker 2: loss to explain that. You know, col Cal couldn't even
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  Speaker 2: get into a into a real confidence I mean really,
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  Speaker 2: I mean you know it kind.
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  Speaker 3: Of Col's not great. So that's a game. That's a
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  Speaker 3: game you gotta win at home. So so that's going on.
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  Speaker 3: You've got Marcus Freeman losing at home in Northern Illinois.
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  Speaker 3: This is the second year in a row they've lost
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  Speaker 3: at home, or the second time in three years they've
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  Speaker 3: lost at home to a MAC to a basically a
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  Speaker 3: MAC level program, losing to Marshall a couple of years ago,
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  Speaker 3: and then what may be the worst loss of the
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  Speaker 3: three is losing to Stanford at home. I think that
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  Speaker 3: was last year. So this has become a pattern, and
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  Speaker 3: to me it's interesting. More so, the national media has
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  Speaker 3: been very generous in my opinion, to Marcus Freeman. He's
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  Speaker 3: a likable guy. He's had a lot of success as
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  Speaker 3: an assistant coach. His players really like him. But Brian Kelly,
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  Speaker 3: for all of his warts and I'm not I'm not
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  Speaker 3: much of a Brian Kelly guy. Okay, so don't don't
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  Speaker 3: like put me as like a Brian Kelly guy.
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  Speaker 2: Here.
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  Speaker 3: He was forty four and six in his last fifty
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  Speaker 3: games in other day, Marcus Freeman did not take over
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  Speaker 3: a rebuilding project. And Freeman's now lost what eight of
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  Speaker 3: his I think it's like eight out of thirty games
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  Speaker 3: or whatever it is, or eight out of he's got
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  Speaker 3: eight losses and this is what his.
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  Speaker 2: Third full year, He's got like the same number of
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  Speaker 2: losses as Brian Day maybe even like one way.
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  Speaker 3: Like that program is not better than it was when
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  Speaker 3: Brian Kelly was there. So I'm gonna that thought there.
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  Speaker 3: I got to jump here for five seconds and let
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  Speaker 3: Kevin take things over for one second. But yeah, that
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  Speaker 3: Kevin take that and run for a second.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and Mike Breannan, we will get to your super
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  Speaker 2: chat here in a second. But with Marcus Freeman was
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  Speaker 2: not necessarily a consensus choice when Notre Dame was faced
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  Speaker 2: with having to replace Brian Kelly, who went to LSU
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  Speaker 2: and developed a Southern accent and all of that good stuff.
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  Speaker 2: To echo what Mark said, Brian, Marcus Freeman is a
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  Speaker 2: really likable guy. I think that it all came too fast,
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  Speaker 2: too quickly for him at this point. I think he
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  Speaker 2: probably needed a couple more years of seasoning at a
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he still could have stay in the Power five,
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  Speaker 2: but maybe at a less scrutinized program, because Notre Dame
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  Speaker 2: has more scrutiny than it warrants. I mean, we're still
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  Speaker 2: talking about a program that did everything when we traveled
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  Speaker 2: across the United States by train, when they had the
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  Speaker 2: only national radio contract. And that's why they have these
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  Speaker 2: gigantic heads and think that they have to have their
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  Speaker 2: own their own TV deal and everything else. I mean
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  Speaker 2: reality that it's it's a program that's been down largely.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: I mean if you look at it, and and Mark
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: did bring up that Brian Kelly was whatever in the
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: end of his you know, the end of his tenure
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: at Notre Dame, but there were people ready to run
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: him out on a rail. Brian Kelly can't win the
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: big game, they can't win the bowl game, they can't
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: get in they can't even get into the meaningful conference,
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: into the meaningful like playoff bowl games. So now you
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: have Marcus Freeman and they just they just look so lost,
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: look so lost against Northern Illinois and Northern Illinois. Just
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: we've said it time and time again, screw around with
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: your opponent and let them be there in the fourth
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: quarter and you know, f around and find out. And
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: that's what happened there. That's that's what happened there. And
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: they're now on their second you know, mercenary quarterback. First
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: it was Sam Hartman, now it's Riley Leonard. And these
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: quarterbacks look like a shell of themselves. I don't know
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: what's in the water there. There's obviously something in the water.
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: South Bend is not really a great town. I had
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: a lot of fun there last year, don't get me wrong,
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: but I wouldn't want to go to school there. But
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I do not know how to explain
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: what's going on there. But yeah, there are a lot
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: of people ready to run Marcus Freeman out on a rail.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: Then who then who? I mean, it isn't a Michigan
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: situation that if it wasn't going to be Jim Harbaugh,
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: who's it going to be? But I don't I don't know.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: I don't know what's wrong there.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the honey the cliff notes is that
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: the honeymoon's over, right, so like, if you watch whether
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: it's Notre Dame Twitter, whether it's the message boards, notary
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: message boards, even some of the Notre Dame local media,
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: the honeymoon's over, like it's time to get results there.
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: And so is there is there a specific situation right
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: now that I think this impacts Ohio State? Not necessarily
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: right now, but there's no question o Hio State and
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: Notre Dame or recruiting rivals, and that's going to be
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: something to watch here. I think as we get into
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: the spring, is okay, how does how has Notre Dame
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: finished this season? Is this just like a blip and
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: they go on a run here? I don't think their
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: schedule is particularly difficult. Uh. In fact, I think a
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: lot of people had them in the playoff because it
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: wasn't difficult at all. And we're looking at.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: Beating A and M.
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: They were they were anointed and why and that not
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: to derail this this podcast, but like I'm still a
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: little confused why that is A and M just fired
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: as coach last year?
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: They were bad last year, they underperformed the last few years.
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: Why why is beating A and M, by the skinny
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: of your teeth anointed? As a big win. A and
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: M might lose seven eight games, and we don't know
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: how good text A and M is yet, I mean
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: they could. They could lose seven eight games in the
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: SEC again, I mean who So the honeymoon's over there,
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: and I do think it'll be interesting to see how
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: they respond, and because if they don't, if this, if
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: this Notre Dame team loses three or four games with
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: that schedule, I do think that has some recruiting repercussions
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: down the road, you know, down in the winter and
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: into the spring for Ohio State, maybe more so on
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: the twenty six recruiting class front. Mike Farino, thank you
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: for the super chat. He's referring to name offered here.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: It's kind of the reverse of Caleb Downs. Caleb Downs
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: needed to see proof of concept and we were unable
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: to show him when it mattered. And yes, you're right now, Auburn.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: It's up to Auburn to show Name offers some proof
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: of concept, I think, and so we'll see, you know
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: how that goes. Like I said before, my my my
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: warning to people that are following these recruitments, whether it's
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: Mike at Debo's, whether it's name offered or Ion Grady,
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: and by the way, I'm very very confident they signed
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: Zion Grady. I wouldn't even necessarily put him in the
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: same bucket as the other two guys I just mentioned.
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: But just these Alabama situations, you have two very desperate
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: programs in Alabama right now for different reasons. Auburn obviously
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: is a desperation to be relevant and to get this
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: thing going under Hugh Freeze, and Alabama is more of
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: a high, high price, maybe the highest pressure of any
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: coach we've seen recently, to keep something going that his predecessor.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: You know, most coaches take over because of the coach
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: before them got fired. So he's going to get a
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: honeymoon phase. He's going to get a year or two
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: to figure things out. Kalen de Boor is not getting
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: that at Alabama, so it's it's imperative for him to
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: get off to a good start on the field and
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: in recruiting. So those are just two storylines to watch
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: here as we watch these Alabama prospects and their decisions
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: unfold here the next three months. Some Florida State questions
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: as well that you know we're going down the line,
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: I promise We're going to get to them too. This
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: is kind of what I wanted to talk about today really,
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: just with the buy we coming up and everything else.
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: There's not tons of new recruiting like buzz going on
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: necessarily around Ohio State, more so around the country and
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: things that could impact Ohio State. And yes, Javian Hilson,
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: big time defensive end out of Coco Florida de committed
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: from Florida State.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: I believe they keep a Coco kid. Ohio State keeps
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: a Coco kid. When it keeps a Cocoa kid, I mean,
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: they keep landing them and then they keep decommitting and
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: everything else. I'm here in Texas for Hilson.
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: And h Yeah. I was kind of told probably not
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: was my answer last night when I poked around about
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: Javian Hilson, So I wouldn't really get any hopes up
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: there or look into that one again. I think he's
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: probably gonna go somewhere else. This is his second d commitment,
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: so then the next one will be his third school.
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: So I don't know that may that may impact Ohio State,
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: even as far as like, Okay, how how much do
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: we dive back into this one, if at all? Just
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: it's been it's been a roller coaster. So I don't know.
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: I think no on that Texas sounds as good as
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: anything to me at this point for him. But you know,
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: we'll see how that unfolds here. But yes, Florida State's
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: another one. Like what a disaster of a start for them?
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: They are They are zero and two. They've been a
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: combined like thirty two thirty three points favorite. You know,
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: it's like fourteen right for Georgia tech Ish and it
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: was I think the line closed, well I know the
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: line closed. I don't know what it was like the
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: whole week, but the line for Boston College closed like
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: eighteen and a half. So they've been over thirty points
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: worth favorites in their first two games. They're owing two.
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: They don't have the world's most difficult schedule really anyone
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: in the ACC other than maybe like a team like
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: Clemson who out in scheduled Georgia doesn't really have the
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: most difficult schedule in the world. So that's a program.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: Where could I see them like moving on from Norvell
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: after this year? No, I probably still particularly like his
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: buyout is impossible even in today's like funny money landscape
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: like his buyout is like impossible. I'm pretty sure it's
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: like sixty seventy million, Like it's all like guaranteed. And
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: despite what the you know, the war Champ posters might say,
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: I think as an administration, if you set the precedent
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: of firing a coach a year after he went undefeated
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: in the regular season, that's probably not precedent you're gonna set.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: So I think he's safe for this year for sure.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: But again, let's talk about like narratives here. The narrative
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: before the Georgia debacle, which again can be explained away.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's hard to explain like that bad, but
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: you can still explain that away. But the narrative going
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: into the Georgia debacle was that this was one of
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: the hottest programs in the country, that Mike Norvel had
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: you know, brought floor to state back to national prominence,
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: and that this was going to be a program to
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: be reckoned with moving forward. And we see them moves
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: by sixty to Georgia in that Bowl game where it
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: just felt like no one was interested in being there,
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: which isn't a great necessarily look on its own. But
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: and then you have these two coming out of a
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: gig here, and it's like because I don't you know,
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe bossing maybe Bill, Like I think
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: Bill O'Brien's a good coach. I thought that was a
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: good higher for a high state when he made it.
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: I think he's done. Maybe he's not an NFL general man,
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: like he had maybe a too much person l power
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: in the NFL. But as like a college football coach
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: at a place like Boston College, I got that it
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: was a great fit. I think it'll do well there,
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: But I don't think Georgia Tech's all that good. Syracuse
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: were up in town, lots on the cord looked like
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: Dan Marino last week, and you know, they give up
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: a ton of points in yards to Syracuse. Are we
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: sure Boston College is like gonna win like nine games
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: this year? Like, are we sure about that? Or you know,
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: so we don't know yet whether or not. Florida State's
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: even lost to two teams who are gonna win more
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: than seven games this year. So it's been a disaster there.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: And again I kind of liken this more more so
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: to Notre Dame situation than Auburn's in terms of like
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: the longevity of like the impact of this. I don't
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: know how much it's gonna help Ohio State today, like
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: with it like a could with Auburn, it could. It
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: could help Ohio State right now with Auburn. I think
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: with Florida State it probably helps like the Florida and
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: Miami's of the world today as the as they have
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: these ridiculous in state you know, tug of wards they
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: have every year at this time, but maybe more so
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: for Ohio State as we get into the spring and
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: summer next year, maybe the Florida State pool isn't as
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: strong for some of these guys, especially when you're talking
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: about like receivers that they were a very hot receiver
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: school there for a while, So maybe maybe this helps
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: them down the road. It's just me, Tim, So you
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: could you could argue Kyle could eventually become a better
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: quarterback in the NFL. I don't disagree. Look, I was
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: not on the Kyle mccor hate train last year. I
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: I knew, like I knew going into the season, his
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: biggest crime was going to be he's not as good
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: as c J. Stroud or Justin Fields or Dwayne Haskins
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: like that was going to be his biggest crime was
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: he wasn't as good as the last three guys I
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: know that went in the first round, and he wasn't
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: great at times. Obviously, I backed Ryan Day's decision to
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: tell Kyle that, you know, we're not telling you to
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: move on, but we also have to keep the quarterback
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: competition open again this offseason. I thought that was a
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: fair decision. But I didn't look at Kyle as like
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: Joe Bowserman two point zero. I thought he was much
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: better in general than the fan base thought he was.
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: But yes, to your point, yeah, I think the fit
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: at Syracuse was good. There's some familiarity there between him
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: and some of the coaches there and with what Ohio
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: State did do I think in a vacuum that Will
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: Howard is a massive upgrade over Kyle McCord, Just again,
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: in a vacuum one versus one, not really do I
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: think Will Howard fits what this roster needs and what
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: Chip Kelly more importantly in this. I know he didn't
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: even come here when Chip was the OC, but I
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: think this is a better fit for what Chip wants
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: to do with his offense. I think it's a better
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: fit for what Ryan Day wants in terms of a
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: little bit more mobility out of the quarterback position. And
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: I think it's I think Will Howard's a little bit
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: more of a vocal uh leader. Kyle was more of
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: a kind of a serious kind of captain. I'll always
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: call him captain serious because.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: Very very Jonathan Tays takes exception.
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: Yes, well that's yeah, that was kind of my joke,
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: but just kind of the whole melow, not mellow, but
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: just very very this and Howard gives you a little
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: more of this sometimes when it's needed. So I think again,
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: I think probably what we're going to look back on
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: in a couple of months is that this kind of
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: worked out for everybody.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know else, who's what about Florida. Surely
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: Napier is going to get canned an he flipped. They
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: need to flip there. It's a race to the bottom
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: right now between Florida and Florida State, and Florida has
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: done a pretty decent job in terms of its recruiting
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: class for now. I think one of the issues there
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: is a lot of those kids are Florida kids, are
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: State of Florida kids, and you know, Napier could not
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: win another game there and it's not going to make
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: Ohio State or USC or you know, Michigan any closer.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: And you know, I think on a lot of those kids,
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: part of the equation of picking Florida or Florida State
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: is proximity to home. So it's really it's really easy
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: to look at a program that is in major you know,
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: dire straits and say, well, all of those kids are
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: immediately on, you know, on everybody's radar. And there'll be
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: a couple I've not looked at Florida's class here recently.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna pull it up here and take away.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: I'll talk as mark up their list. But you know,
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: I think that Miami's hoping that maybe it can be
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: the alternative to everything that's going on. I mean, still
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: being in state. And then let's be honest, it's it's
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: a long state. We've driven it a teen million times
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: and every time you think, oh, we should be near
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: the state line, oh we're still three hours from the
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: state line. But uh, you know, it's it's not going
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: to be a case of Ohio State saying, ah, the
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: hell with it, We're not going to try. They're gonna
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: they're going to try. I mean It's it's flip season.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: That's what we're in. I mean, I was just reading
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: a story from one of the networks that that Miami's
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: trying to flip TJ Alford. Well, good luck with that, Miami.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, but you know, we'll see yeah.
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: And I you know, Kevin did hit it on the head.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: As far as the blood and the water thing is
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: going to really be a state of Florida thing, Like
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: these are all these in state battles they have, and
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: like Miami's certainly winning the narrative war right now, there's
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: no doubt about that. Like Florida State and the narratives
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: around Florida State and Florida right now are are almost
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: rock bottom. I've I didn't mind the napier higher when
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: it happened, I was like, we'll see that might work.
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: I didn't. I was kind of agnostic about it. It's
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: been a train wreck, and it's been a train wreck
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: from like the get go. Like Kevin and I watched
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: we were down. Gosh, where were we were? We in Atlanta?
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: We watched Florida Utah last year. I don't even remember
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: where we were, but we watched Florida Utah last year
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: and it was it was a whole lot of not
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: good for Florida, and you know, we've just steadily kind
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: of watched them just deteriorate and maybe DJ Lagway will
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: save the day here. This season saved Napier's job. But
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: I agree Napier's on the hot.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Seat and answer, I couldn't. I could have told you
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: that two years ago.
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it it goes you know that. That's a whole other,
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: like almost topic of like coaches watching a quarterback not
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: be good two or three years in a row somewhere
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: else and thinking I'll fix them. And then you have
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: bo Nix do it at Oregon and everyone's like, oh see,
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: we'll just do It'll just be it'll be just like
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: bon Nix. Well, we'll watch him playly crap for three
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: years and then we'll fix them. And Florida and Florida
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: State have both fallen into that trap and are paying
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: dearly for it right now. But I look at Florida's
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: commitment list and the guy to watch I think is
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: vern L. Brown. There's no doubt if VERNL. Brown called
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: Ohio State tomorrow and said he, you know what, this
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: is a disaster here at Florida. I'm out, let me,
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: let me go up there, that they would take him.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: But he's still a legacy.
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: But exactly, he is still a legacy. And clearly that
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: one the day the first time around, because it wasn't
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: receiver production or tech development or National Championship. There was
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: nothing there the first time around other than this is
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: like my home, Like I'm in Central Florida. This means place,
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: means a lot to my family. I'm gonna go here
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: and kind of be the man and whatever. So I
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: don't think it's going to be easy. But I think
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: that's one name. If you're looking at the list right now,
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: if you want to bring that up, you know, if
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: you people like the browse these types of things, if
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: if you go to the commitment list, that's probably the name.
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: I think that kind of jumps off the page. I
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: don't know that anything else there really is going to
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: make sense. So I saw a few questions. Is Preston
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: Bowman to take I'm not sure about that yet. I
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: think they're evaluating senior film. That's kind of what I've
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: been told. But they're keeping up the relationship there. They're
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: recruiting him relatively hard. And then they'll make a decision
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: I think based off of the next few weeks. Just
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: get five six games of film and decide. Now, Preston is,
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: you know, pretty locked in with Kentucky. I don't think.
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: You know, we're talking about all the time within state
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: kids about the timing of offers and too early, too late, whatever.
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: You know, he commits to Kentucky and like the next
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: day he gets the Ohio State offer. I don't know
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: that that worked rubbed him the right way, So I
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: think there's some damage repaired to be done there. But
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: that's definitely a name to keep in mind. I saw
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: a different, somewhat related question that asked about would they
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: take a fifth receiver, and my answer to that is
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: yes they would, and in fact, would they take a
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: sixth receiver with the new one of five scholarships, which
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: I don't expect of high seat to get to one
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: O five, but I think they would even consider a
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: Let's put this way, if Miles or Vernel Brown called
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: Ohio State tomorrow and said I'm coming, they're taking those
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: They're taking one of those guys, and then they could
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: still go and take Preston Bowman in November if they
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: really like a senior film and he wants to flip. So, yes,
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: there there is there is room to add here. I
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: wouldn't say other than maybe other than quarterback. Obviously, I
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: wouldn't say there's really a position right now where they were,
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: they would one hundred percent say no to any addition,
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: no matter what. Like I think with the with the
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: expanded scholarship numbers, even if they're not actively looking at like,
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: I don't think they're I don't think they're really super
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: active now on defensive line, are pretty happy with what
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: they have, but if a certain player or something called,
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: I think there's pretty much yeah, yes, like there's there's
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: guys they're gonna there's guys they'll take. Make it pretty
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: much every position right now, I think, again accept quarterback.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: Obviously, Jordan Kapler does dealon have any more kids that
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: Ohio State could recruit. I know Kevin is really hoping
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: we can land a Sanders kid. The latest story that
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: made its way onto the twitters that I saw this
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: morning was that after Shreder Sanders scores, the band is
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: not allowed to play the fight song. It has to
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: be Sanders's rap song. So I mean talk about just
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: a Nickel and dimes circus is what this program has
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: turned out to. And I feel bad for Dallan Hayden.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: Dallan Hayden is a great kid. I got to know
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: Dalan Hayden through his recruiting process. When he came up
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: to visit, I did, like I shot photos for him,
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: things like that, I mean, and it was you know,
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: he's gone there. I think he had five carries in
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: the last game, in the Nebraska game, and didn't they
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: really amount to anything. It's just it's just a mess. Uh,
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: you know, I guess to keep this on the recruiting vein.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: Jordan Seaton is going to probably be a very big
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: target coming into the portal after the year, and you know,
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: I think we talked about it on the show last week,
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: and be sure to join us. We're trying to make
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: three pm Eastern the set time of this show, but
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: in case we change it or to catch anything else,
• 38:24
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• 38:26
  Speaker 2: get all of that stuff done so you know when
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: we're coming on the air. But yeah, Seaton certainly would
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: be a huge prize as Ohio State probably will need
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: to land a couple of guys with experience. I think
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: Jordan Seaton may have to unlearn some things. I'm pretty
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: well convinced because that offensive line there is terrible, and
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: sometimes we try to blame one particular line man, well
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: it kind of runs across the line because you don't
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: know what each person supposed to be doing. But yeah,
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: Colorado is a mess, and I'm fading Dion returning next year.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: I would fade that bet.
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got two hot takes on this and then
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: we can move to the next thing, because Kevin covered
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: it pretty well. But my first hot take is I've
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: seen all the mock drafts that have shuitar, you know,
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: anywhere from top five to top ten as dumb as
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: maybe a third of the GMS are in the NFL.
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: I cannot see an NFL team making Shader Sanders the
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: CEO face of their franchise with the top five draft pick.
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: I don't think he's made for that. Through z O
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: line under the bus in the postgame press conference, he's
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: walking off the field early before his teammates after losses,
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: and it's just constantly seems to point in the finger
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: at everybody else. And that's not even to say that
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: he's not even right. In some cases, with the offensive line.
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: But you don't, you know, that's not how you that's
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: not how you handle things. I think he's got a
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: lot of growing up to do, and I just don't
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: think the circus is gonna fly with grown men in
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: the NFL. So obviously he's gonna be drafted, and I
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: think some will probably drafted relatively. I think someone will
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: probably take a you know, maybe a second or third
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: round flyer on him. I don't think he's gonna go
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: in the top five. I really don't. I mean, look, now, look,
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: the New York Giants are dumb. I mean, look, they
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: paid They're paying Daniel Jones forty million dollars this year,
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: you know, so, so maybe the New York Giants will
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: be that crazy to bring the circus to the biggest
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: city in the in the country. I just I have
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: a hard time, even with my low opinion of certain
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: franchise decision makers, I have a hard time believing someone's
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: going to give him the keys to as a top
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: five pick. So that's that's hot take number one, hot
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: take number two. And I don't think this is a
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: hot take. Audence is a fact. If Dion Sanders doesn't
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: return to Colorado next year. Jordan Seaton's is in the
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: transfer portal. Jordan Seaton's not rotten away in Boulder, Colorado
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: for two years on a re build on a new
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: coach that he didn't sign up to play for. That
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: ain't happening. So make of that what you will. Wottle
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: O High seat be involved, Kuttle higot seat be involved
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: at that point, I have no idea like what they're
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: gonna you know, we don't know who's gonna be in
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: the portal. There may be something more appetizing for them
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: in the portal that they like, Yeah, you know, no, thanks,
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: I don't know. We'll see, but Jordan Seaton will be
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: in the transfer portal at the end of the year.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: If Deon Sanders is out, all.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: Right, I get tired. Do you think Ohio State has
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: a chance to land Dylan Stewart if he decides to
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: transfer next season? I know we lose a lot on
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: the edges, and he looks great at South Carolina. I mean, yeah,
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: I watched, I watched some tapes and he one of
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: the best. You know, has some of the best couple
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: game tape that I've seen out there at the position.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: I don't know necessarily why he'd be looking to jump
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: and leave Shane Biemer's program at this point. I know
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: that every he was like, well, you can go up
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: and move into a you know, a bigger stage. I
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: mean it is it is still an SEC team. I
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: mean it is South Carolina. I mean, I guess people
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: watch the South Carolina Kentucky game this past weekend, which
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: was not necessarily super impressive in terms of its competitive nature.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: But Dylan Stewart picked South Carolina for a reason. Now,
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: if that reason were to go away, whether it be
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: a coaching change, which is a big change, I mean,
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: I don't know lots of a position coach, sure, I
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: mean I Ohio State loved him the first time around.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: I think Ohio State would love him the second time around.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: But unless I haven't read anything to lead me to
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: believe that Stewart is looking around.
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I say this lovingly. I think a lot of
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: Ohio State fans are trying to wish him into the
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: portal without any evidence that he would actually be entertaining
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: that idea. But yeah, I mean if a player like
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: that ended up in the portal, yes, Ohio State would
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: be would absolutely be interested. I just you know, I
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: have not heard a reasonable I mean, I'm sure you
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: had a very competitive NIL package there. South Carolina's done
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: very well in the DMV the last few years with recruiting,
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: so a lot of is You've got some boys down there,
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: Nick Harburn, They've done really good job recruiting the DMV,
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: and it doesn't you know, again, if if if they
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: nose dive this year and Shane Biemer gets fired, then yeah,
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: I mean maybe all bets be off that point. But
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: right now they're they're playing. You know, they played decent
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: football there on Saturday, and you know, no real reason
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: to expect that. I wouldn't, I wouldn't get my hopes up.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: No, No, I mean there there were the linemen over
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: the last couple of years that Ohio State wasn't able
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: to land, whether or not they went to South Carolina
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: and whether or not they went to Miami, Florida or whatever.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: You know, if you see a name in the portal,
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: then I think Ohio State is going to go after it.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: You know, we know that Ohio State certainly has people
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: tasked solely in the recruiting department with the portal. We're
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: going to you know, we're going to recruit X, Y,
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: and Z out of high school and we're going to
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: recruit A, B and C from the poor. Also, don't
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: you know, don't ever think it's going to be a
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: case of that Ohio State's going to be caught flat
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: footed and not expecting somebody to show up there. They
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: you know you're doing that. And there's there's a reason
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: why even after a kid commits somewhere before they get
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: on campus and everything else, that you're you're going to
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: at least be keeping tabs. You can't communicate kids at
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: a certain point. So you know, none of that's going on,
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: but you sometimes have to be ready for a kid
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: coming around the second time. Just just because you don't
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: land them the first time doesn't mean that you might
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: not land them the second time. So no, don't burn
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: any bridges. And I certainly have heard horrible stories out
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: there about coaches that you know, position coaches largely more
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: so than anything else, that say some pretty terrible things
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: to kids. It's like, well, you're just wrecking your life
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: and you're stupid. Click. I mean, you can't do that.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: That's this is a people business. You can't do that.
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's uh, it's an interesting time we live in,
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: and in the role of the high school coach in
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: this as well. That's who's getting the calls right now,
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: when you know Jordan Seaton's out there riding away in
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: Colorado or whoever it may be around the country. Five
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: star player X from last year who isn't playing or
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: is in a situation where the coach is on the
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: hot seat. Those their their high school coaches are getting
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: blown up right now, asking if they're happy, if they're interesting,
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: you know, so the back channels are always being worked.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: Mike will get to your super chat in a second.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: I want to address this one so I don't lose
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: it because I took my little star note notification off
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: of it, which means I may never find it again.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: The best damn pod in the land, asks Mark, curious
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: about Michael Debo's as some others have suggested, Oshu hasn't
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: stopped recruiting him thoughts.
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we've talked a lot a lot about Michael lately
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: and I had a I had a brief update on
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: him on on Friday on the site. Yeah, so, Ohio
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: State is still very active. In fact, that's you know.
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: I jokingly called it. Micah Debo's is the Plan A
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: of the plan b's for David Sanders. Not that Micah
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: is a Plan B, he was always a planning recruit for.
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: But the Plan B for losing David Sanders is, or
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: the plan A for losing David Sanders among the plan
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: b's is to flip Mica a Debos from Alabama. That
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: is where a lot of their time and effort and
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: energy is going right now. Tavian Saint Clair. I talked
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: to him Tavian about that and shared that on the
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: site a couple of weeks ago. Tavian's talking to him
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: pretty much every day. He's like, I'm trying not to
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: bug him to as much as possibly as Like I'm
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: talking to him almost every day just to just to
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: stay in his ear. And so that's that is one
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: thousand percent kind of where they've steered this after losing Sanders.
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: And you know, I was always skeptical of I'm getting
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: him the first time around, so I'm not exactly like
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: super optimistic this time around. But the one angle I
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: find interesting is they had a very competitive nil package
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: ready to go for David Sanders. Well, now David Sanders
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: isn't coining, so You've got this very competitive NIL package
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: with no recipient to have to take it. So I'm wondering,
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: and I'll probably never get the full answer to this,
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: because that's just not you'll you'll get a oh, it's
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: a competitive package for the boat, like they're never gonna say, yeah,
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: we took everything that we had for David Sanders and
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: we just put that on. You're not gonna get that answer.
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: But I continue to view NIL in the in the
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: salary cap uh terms, and they freed up a lot
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: of cap space by not getting David Sanders. And so
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: you wonder if as someone into Boz's situation, who's already
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: in a class with like two other like five star
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: caliber offensive linemen from out from out of state, which
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: generally runs more expensive, gonna be more expensive to keep
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: to get a five star offensive lineman from Texas than
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: it is to keep one from Alabama home in Alabama.
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: You do wonder, like ken Ohio State put together a
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: package that Alabama is either unable and probably unables the
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: wrong word unwilling to you know, be competitive with. So
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: that'll be interesting to me if that helps. Obviously, the
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: Cleveland ties those didn't help the first time. Around, though.
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: I mean this was like LSU Alabama and maybe Ohio
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: State three the first time around. So this was LSU
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: Alabama the first time around. So he, to me, regardless
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: of where his parents are from or any ties he
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: might have to hi like, he to me, has kind
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: of grown up as an SEC kid. So I don't
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: really view the Cleveland thing as a huge boost. But
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: I do think there's an angle there in terms of
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: nil in terms of all the Ohio State tackle depth chart,
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: and now Micah knows they're not getting David Sanders. He
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: could not have known that, you know, three months ago
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: or two months ago, he could not have known they
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: weren't getting David Sanders. No one knew where Sanders was
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: going yet. So there are some things here at play
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: that may help them. I'm not super optimistic yet, but
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: again we'll see.
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: Super jat Mike Farino. How much does Kean Keeley regret
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: picking Alabama over Ohio State right now? Still can't see
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: the field. There was never a good fit for him.
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I you know, that's not something Kean has shared
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: with me or anyone else, I don't think. But to me,
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: it was an interesting decision at the time. It was made.
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: I certainly think there were some people in his camp
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: who very very much prefer him at Alabama, and Alabama
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: did a very good job of selling him on how
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: he would fit that defense. Do I agree that he
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: fits that defense better than maybe a four down lineman
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: set up like Ohio State generally employees. No, but that's
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: that's the salesmanship aspect of college football recruiting. So Alabama
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: was able to sell it. Do I think he regrets
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: picking Alabama over always out of high school? Probably not.
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: The real question to me is does he regret not
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: hitting a portal back in the winter and at least
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: testing the market. You know, that may be the real question,
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: and so that will be interesting to watch this winter.
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: I guess when things open up. I mean, in theory,
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: you can announce a transfer your intention to transfer any time,
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: but I don't know that would make any sense right now.
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: I would do that, then you're damn well guaranteed not
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: to see any playing time the rest of the year, right.
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: So, like, you know, come December January, like, we'll see.
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: But I think it's something to watch. I think, just
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: even in a vacuum, when anytime you're a five star
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: prospect out of high school. You're like a top ten
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: player in the country and it's year two and you
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: maybe haven't found your footing yet. Whether you're at Ohio
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: State or Alabama or USC or wherever you are, you
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: do start to wonder, like, okay, because like, look o
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: high State the last two off seasons, is Kenyata Jackson transferring?
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: That was a question we were constantly getting. It's Kenyata
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: Jackson transferring. It's kind of a similar, you know deal
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: as far as you know, maybe not getting the playing
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: time he expected. Now it's we put to bed and
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: he's you know, get a lot of playing time now,
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: and look looks great. But yeah, anytime you have these situations,
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: that's going to be a valid question is is how
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: long until learn in the portal? And I would think
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: I can't say this for a fact, I would speculate
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: that Keon Keeley is closer to entering the portal than
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: Dylan Stewart, Let's put it that way.
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And something else to remember is, you know,
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: there's there's a finite amount of snaps and you know
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: you're going to have you know, if not A then
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: it's going to be B. And look Edward Houston has
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: come in and has started to see some meaningful snaps
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: at defensive end. Kate McDonald has seen some very meaningful
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: snaps playing his tech position. So it it's great to
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: be able to amass a roster full of great talent.
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that Ohio State is completely full
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: and they will know we don't need anybody out of
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: the portal. That's no. After this year, they're gonna need
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: a lot of people out of the portal because we're
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: gonna see Ohio State's gonna price set a modern record
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: for a number of kids. At the combine number of
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: kids getting drafted, it's gonna be it's gonna be very
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: large at that point. But you're gonna miss on some
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: and then you're gonna hit on some of They hit
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: on Edward Houston, and then he seems like a hit
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: because he's playing very well. I mean certainly. You know
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: remember that he got his you know, head or hands
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: on a couple of passes in the Akron game, and
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: you know you're seeing you're seeing ninety six and ninety
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: eight out there during even more meaningful minutes, So you know,
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: it works out. It does work out, Uh, Sean Duffy,
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: any other O line recruits we can go after that
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: are committed to teams that have fled.
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: I mean, the short answer is yes, But right now
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: it really debos is kind of the focus. And again
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: this isn't me talking on this because I've already just stayed.
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: If you were here the last ten minutes, I did
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: state I'm not super optimistic yet about that, but I
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: can tell you that there are people over in the
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: Woody that feel they've got a real, real chance to
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: do this, and so I think they're going to exhaust
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: that here for a little bit. First, I'm sure there
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: are back channels being worked with other big name players
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: that maybe we're not even thinking about right now, that
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: they haven't maybe recruited before. But you're also talking about
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: a somewhat limited pool, like in the Portal era, at
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: a place like Ohio State, there's less incentive to reach
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: to fill a quota. You would rather go instead of
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: taking a three star kid from Ohio or a three
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: star flipping a high three star our kid from a
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: Florida school, it's up in flames. You'd rather go get
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: a Josh Simmons. You'd rather go get a McLaughlin, you'd
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: rather go get a Jonah Jackson. So I think we're
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: talking about a fairly limited pool of players. I think
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: we're talking about guys if the coaching staff would view
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: as like legitimate potential stars, like legitimate potential difference makers.
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: So I don't think it's just gonna be a thing of, well,
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: we got to get this quota or we got to
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: get whatever. I think they're gonna let the boasting be
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: exhaust I think they know they have to do the
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: portal in the off season anyway, Like they're gonna lose
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: some guys on the interior, they may lose a couple
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: of tackles. Look, Josh Simmons has been really good since
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: about the fourth week of the season last year, and
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: if this team accomplishes what it wants to accomplish, Josh
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: Simmons may not be back next year. So I think
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: they already understand, like this is going to be a
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: portal off season for the offensive line at least one guy.
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: So I don't think they're gonna just go out there
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: and just land any random kid that they're going to
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: try and flip just to fill a quota. I just
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: I just don't and so as soon as we get
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: some names that are that are kind of worth tossing
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: out there, we'll toss them out there on the site,
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: and we'll talk about them on here and everything else.
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: But I think again, right now, I've just been told
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: that they are just they are locked in on Micah
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: debos right now and they're feeling like they've got a shot.
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: So see how that goes.
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: Other big names. Jeff Johnson, will we join the bidding
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: war for Jakiem Stewart.
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: Well, there's no question Ohio states in the Jackem Stewart race,
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: I mean one thousand percent. And like I said with
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: some other guys, well, like I said with Jeremiah Smith
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: last year, like I said with David Sanders this year
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: and other guys in the past, Ohio State is going
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: to be competitive in NIL here. This is not going
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: to be a thing where Jakeem Stewart gets twice as
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: much IL dollars to go somewhere else. That's that's not
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: going to happen here. If Jaqepstuart goes somewhere else, there's
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: gonna be other factors involved that don't aren't solely in IL.
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: Like they're not going to lose this thing because of anil,
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: so it becomes a thing for me With Jaquem. My
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: opinion has been that Ohio State and USC have forged
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: the best relationships with Chaquim. My belief is that they've
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: done the best job recruitum. My belief is that Chaqeim
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: isn't as enamored with LSU as you might think a
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: kid from his neighborhood would be. But I also know
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: the pressure that has put on Louisiana kids to go
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: to LSU, And I also know what happens in the
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: weeks leading up to a signing day with the pressure
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: and how much it gets amped up. And you have
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: family to consider that these kids. You know, some family
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: may want them at LSU, maybe not. Maybe you know
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: got to win, you know you want you want to
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: win mom over to Ohio State. And from my understanding,
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: the important family members in Jaqem's life like Ohio State.
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: So I don't think they're losing that right now. But
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: it's just one of those things where it's all fun
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: and games. It's all great right now, and when Thanksgiving
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: rolls around and it's decision time and the pressure just
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: gets ratcheted up to like a fifteen out of ten,
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: will he be able to say no to LSU? I
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: think just that's the thing for me, because I don't
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: think in a vacuum, I don't think they are doing
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: the best job. I really think in a vacuum, Ohio
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: State and USC are the two teams he favors. But
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: we see this happen a lot and then this kids
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: end up at LSU.
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: So just march point. I agree. I mean, at least
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: we're not talking as much about the reclassification question because
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: remember he's a twenty twenty six.
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: That's been answered now, that's kind of that's kind of
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: indirectly been answered with him.
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: That's why I was going with it is I mean,
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: you don't leave the school that you're in, Trench Dad
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: and everything else unless it's for a darn good reason.
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: And you know, so he is in my mind he's
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: a twenty five. I mean, you know, and we'll we'll see.
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: So where does all that go? I mean, when does
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: he get that done to be able to take officials?
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: You know, there's there are a lot of layers there.
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: I agree with Mark. I think it's SC and Ohio
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: State that are have probably out a little bit further.
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: I talked to an LSU recruiting guy who's a good
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: friend of mine who thinks that that's the same. He
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: thinks that LSU was, you know, hanging around, but probably
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: not at the not in the front of the lap
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: at this point. So buckle up. That's going to be
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: another fun one for us for us to cover. And
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: I think and if he ends up going elsewhere, I
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: know that we'll have a lot of people who are
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: going to be upset, because that's how recruiting works.
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: So was she him in the transfer portal for the
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: twelve months after that?
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: Exactly? Another one from Jeff Johnson. This is a more
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: team question. Our team comment most impressed by wide receiver blocking,
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: and I want to jump on that because I think
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: last year that was a huge issue. I don't think
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: that the receivers blocked as well last year. And you're
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: seeing a lot of guys who were who were on
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: last year's team and who are on this year's team,
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: and it just seems to be working better. And I
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: think that's why we're seeing a lot more yak out there,
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: because guys are being able to make these blocks, whether
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: or not it's you know, for a fellow receiver for
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: a running back or whatever. But that is something that
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: they seem to really focus in on. And so far
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: and again playing playing against the MAC and there's you know,
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: congratulations to their kids. They're they're going to school for
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: free on a scholarship and maybe making even a little
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: bit of nil. But let me let me see all
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: of this when win Ohio State is playing Big ten
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: opponents and ones that are at least close to being
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: talent equated, which there aren't many, you know, done.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: A great job with with their blocking on the perimeter.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: I know people like to make fun of that and
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: how High State maybe emphasizes that too much. And you know,
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: the young guys should play even though you know who
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: cares about blocking, But it's important. Like as you saw
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: on some of the running backs. They can spring running backs,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: they can spring their fellow receivers on screens like there's
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: a lot, there's a lot that goes into it. You
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: have to be able to block. I've been I've been
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: super impressed with Jeremiah's willingness. He has missed a block
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: or two. I'm not saying he hasn't missed a block
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: or two, but what I'm but he's he's not missing
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: blocks because of lack of effort like he's he is
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: very very serious about his blocking as well. So that's been, Uh,
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: that's been super impressive to me to watch him because
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: I know how physically gifted he is. I've been covering
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: for years and just the talent is insane. But the
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: thing I'm always impressed with by him is his demeanor,
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: his his work ethic.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: It's just me, Tim seventy nine. Any chance Wisconsin can
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: beat Alabama, and that game is up in Wisconsin, So
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: I would feel better about Wisconsin's chances if it were
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: like late November and the weather, We're going to be
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: a factor. Alabama has not looked like Alabama, but Wisconsin
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: has not looked like a Big ten team in its
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: first couple of games. I mean, obviously we talked about
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: it earlier. Western Michigan, the team that Ohio State whacked
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: fifty six nothing, you know, would it could have should
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: have won that game against Wisconsin. I'll say things that
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: we've said, whether it was on this show or another show,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: I don't even remember. At this point. Phil Longo runs
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: an offense that Wisconsin does not have the personnel to run.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: So you now have an offense that last year it
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: was a different back. This year it's Chess mlucy is,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: you know, really kind of the only guy that seems
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: to be able to carry the mail they've not been
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: able to. I'm convinced that finding a transfer quarterback that
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: fits your system, you know, is difficult for a lot
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: of teams. I mean, certainly Syracuse I think went into
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: something getting Devin Brown. I think Ohio State went somewhere
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: and getting Will Howard. But it's it doesn't always work.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: And so far I've not seen anything out of Wisconsin
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: to lead me to believe unless Alabama has to like
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: walk to Madison, Wisconsin, that that Wisconsin's going to have
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: a lot of a chance. No, next question, All right,
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: next question, let me get here into the queue. The
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: best dampod in the land. Have you guys discussed Jerome Miles?
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: Curious about that one since Heartline got in late and
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: then the commitment of Philip Bell.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they would, they would certainly take Jerome Miles.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: I think Utah USC are out in front. I think
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: Utah would be my pick. I think USC, especially now
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: that USC seems to have flipped their narrative a little
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: bit in the other direction, in a positive direction here
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: the first couple of weeks. So I think he's a
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: tremendous talent. I think Ohis would love to have him.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: I don't see them landing him at this point.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: We will stay in the same vain Johnson hearing anything
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: about Max Patterson, So let.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: Me uh the uh the trend? Are we talking about Delaware?
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: My I don't know if I have a follow up
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: on that yet. So he was a name I wasn't
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: familiar with myself.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: He's a kid of Delaware. I have not yet. I
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: know that's that's kind of been floated out there as
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: like a guy to watch in the portal, but I
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: have not heard that. If you're talking about a different one.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: I was gonna say, I think we probably just have
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: to say wait and see kind of on that one.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: We will address it, as you know, we'll both make
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: quiet increase to our people and see.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: Are thinking about healing about Maxwell Patterson from Dublin Kaufman,
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: because that's a say, that's a there's a there's a
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: project tight end tackle at Kaufman. So there I got
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: two Max Patterson's on my brain.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see if we'll see it. We'll see if
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: Jeff comes back and hits us back. Because I just
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: saw him post a minute ago in the chat, so
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: I know he's still here.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: And Okay, there's Max Patterson's like a possible portal receiver,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: but I don't think that's that. They may be talking
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: about the Coffin kid. Okay, yeah, Coffin kid, the big
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: six seven. There's a six seven, two hundred fifty five
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: pound kid at Kaufman right now. Max Patterson, Sorry, I
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: got a little. When you have a rolodex of like
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 3: twenty thousand names, maybe conservatively in your head, it runs together.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: I yeah, I don't. I think he's interesting. I mean
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: I think like Eastern Kentucky's like the only school's offered
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: him so far.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: He is.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: Big, he's athletic. Again, if you're Ohio State. My thought
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: watching Ohio State and talking to them over the years,
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: they are more correct. Yes he's gonna be an office.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: He plays tight end, but he is going to move
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: to tackle. Correct. They are less likely to kind of
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: play the project card in high school than they are
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: to just take a guy out of the portal who's
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: played two years somewhere and they kind of have some
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: college film. Does that line up with my philosophy? And like,
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: here's so my my take. So that's that's my interpretation
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: of their stance on these types of things. My take
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: with one oh five now is take a guy. Maybe
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying necessarily a show offer Max. They've got
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: to do their diligence there, but take a player like that.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: Every year you've got one hundred and five now to
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: work with. We see, like if you look in the NFL,
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 3: like like Lane Johnson was like a quarterback at one point,
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: He's gonna be in the Hall of Fame. Jason Peters
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: was a tight End's gonna be in the Hall of Fame.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: I don't even think was Trent Williams like a Trent
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: Williams wasn't like a five star guy. I don't think
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 3: he Like there are there are a lot more so
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: than most positions. There are a lot of offensive tackles
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 3: who have had very roundabout ways of becoming star offensive tackles.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: Not to beat the Philadelphi Eagles team down everyone's throat
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: by the way they did beat the Packers on Friday
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: night in Brazil. If anyone watched, but their left tackle,
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: Jordan Maletta, was a rugby guy, didn't even play football
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: before the Eagles scooped him up. So I think when
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: you're talking about a position like offensive tackle, which is
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: such a developmental spot, I'm in favor with the expanded
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: scholarships now, with the transfer portal, and you're constantly losing
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 3: these five star kids after they don't play for half
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: a season, I'm in favor of moves like that. Whether
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: it's Patterson, whether it's somebody else, I'm generally in favor
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 3: of taking a player like that and stashing them and
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 3: kind of telling them like, Okay, we won't take your commitment,
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: but we need you to understand before you do this,
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 3: before you sign up for this, we need you to
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: understand you're not playing the first year on campus. You're
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: probably not playing the second year on campus. Maybe you'll
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: play the third year on campus, like you're going to redshirt.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 3: We're going to utilize your full five years, and by
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 3: year three and a half to four, we hope we've
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 3: developed you into a big ten calier starting player. And
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 3: if that's the mindset of the kid and their family
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 3: and they understand, I G. This is a transition process.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: Then I think it makes sense, and so I'll be
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: curious to watch all these types. There's always guys like
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: this out there, basketball kids, converted tight ends. There's always
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 3: weird situations like this out there with offensive tackles, and
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 3: I will be as fascinated to watch it as you guys.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 3: I've not heard that they're particularly close here, and again,
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 3: to me, the line I've always seemed to get is
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 3: we'd rather portal for a second or third year guy
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: than you know, kind of try and pay for a
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: lottery ticket and hope we cash it in three years.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: But again, one of eighty five to one O five
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: may allow for some wiggle room on those philosophies.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: If you if you miss, it's a two year commitment
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: one way or the other. If you go and get
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: a portal guy with two years left who has a
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: proven track record of playing a collegiate opponent, versus going
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: after a project whom I might transfer out or be
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: wink wink nudged out, you know, it's both of those
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: are kind of two year deals. I mean, yes, there's
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: higher upside potentially on the high school kid, because you
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: could get four years out of him if you know
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: if he turns into something, but that lottery does not
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: always hit. So I agree with Mark in a lot
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: of aspects of that. I think that portal is the
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: way to go. Mister Wan with offered and Sanchez in
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, does that mean we probably don't get
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: both Singleton and Hill in twenty twenty six, being Victor
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: Singleton and Albert Hill.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: No, I don't think that at all. You know, I'm
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 3: not going to throw a wetbl I don't want to
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: throw a wet blank at too much on this. But
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 3: they don't have offered yet in my opinion. In my opinion,
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 3: they've got to They've got to still close that here
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 3: the next three months. There No, there's no worries with
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: Sanchez obviously, but but to the to the real meat
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: of that question, I think they can very easily get
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 3: Somelton and Hill in twenty twenty six. They're both big
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 3: OSU fans. These were dream offers for both kids. They're
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 3: different players. Victor Singleton is very much a big, physical
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: corner and Elbert Hill is very much your your smaller,
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 3: more athletic corner. And look at what Ohio State's doing
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 3: defensively right now they're playing three corners. You know, Jordan
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: Hancock is not. You know, they've turned that that third
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 3: safety is oftentimes a third corner, and it is a
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 3: third corner with Jordan Hancock out there. I don't see
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: any reason why they can't get both. They're gonna have
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: a mass exodus from their secondary the next two years.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 3: They're gonna lose probably all of their corner their starting
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: corners after this year. I think Ignos is gonna play
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 3: himself into the first round, I really do. I know.
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  Speaker 3: No one's kind of talking about that right now, or
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 3: maybe they are, but I haven't really seen them on
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 3: mox thin he's gonna play himself in the end of
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 3: the first round. So they're gonna lose those three corners
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 3: almost certainly. Then he'd come back the next year, and
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 3: it'll be year three for Jerma Matthews. I mean, you
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 3: may lose Jerma Matthews after his third year next year.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: So what Hunt has a big year in one year?
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: And I know that we hate saying one year player
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: and going and do you have enough reps?
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 3: There at least gonna be June, so they're gonna be
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 3: They're going to be seniors when the twenty twenty sixth
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  Speaker 3: class arrives on campus. Even if they stay, they're going
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 3: to be seniors when the twenty six class arrives on campus.
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  Speaker 3: There is this has been spaced out very well for
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 3: Ohio State. There's no reason for me that they can't
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: get both of those guys.
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  Speaker 2: Scott O'Neill. Are they planning to give Bama a trophy
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: for coming north of the Mason Dixon line for a
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: non conference game and non neutral site? Yes, because I
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: do remember I believe they didn't they go up and
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: play Wisconsin in Green Bay or something. Was it them
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: or was it LSU? Alabama does not go north. I
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: think it was LSU. Now I think about it. This
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: is this is a big deal. And I'm not saying
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: it's what drove Nick Saban out, but you know, when
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: when Alabama started scheduling all of these series, these home
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: and home type series through you know, the twenty thirties away,
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: I knew that that was kind of the end for
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: Nick Saban there. And it's not that he has it.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, he coached at Michigan State. It's it's
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: not like he's allergic to being in the north, you know,
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: not being near a stuckies or something like that. But yeah,
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: I don't. I no word of a trophy going to them.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: But I mean, you know, maybe an atta boy maybe
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: as you saw in the movie Blazing saddles a laurel
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: and hardy handshake, but no, no hardware for that.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 3: But I think helmet stickers, right, they don't Alabama doesn't
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 3: do helmet stickers, so I.
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  Speaker 2: Don't know, they don't help. I was watching the Ohio
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: State game last night on TV, and I plan on
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: asking somebody about this. I think they're being a lot
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: tighter with what the qualifications are for stickers because based
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: on just the Akron game, because I was watching the
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: Western game, so we don't know what they're gonna look
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: like at that point. And you know, the Acron game
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: was good, good, plus a lot of points. I mean,
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: Jeremiah was better than that. I mean, even though he
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: had some negative marks for a draw up and some penalties.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: I didn't see really anybody with more four or five buckeyes.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: I mean they used to mean used to be games
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: where you'd have seven, eight Buckeyes maybe nine earned in
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: that game. Hell, I don't even know if I saw
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: any on Will Howard's helmet, and the question was brought up,
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: is that because he has a green dot helmet and
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: they have to share it. I'm like, no, I don't
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: think that they have to. I saw four green dot helmets,
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: like on the sideline when I was on the field
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: going from from one end to the other end, and
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: I saw a couple of green I thought I saw
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: a couple of Buckeyes on Devin Brown's helmets. So I
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: don't necessarily know what's behind that, but it does seem
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: to feel like they're being a little tighter with giving
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: those out. I don't know if I want to waste
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: one of the limited questions we get with Ryan asking
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: about Buckeye stickers, because if you look kind of like, wow,
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: you're just really focusing on all the wrong things. But
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: I may ask somebody privately so I don't have to
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: go through, you know, public humiliation by trying to get
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: that answer.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I I would imagine to keep Look, this team
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 3: seems very self motivated, which is fantastic, but the expectation
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 3: is so so high for this team. I have a
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: feeling they're going to be stingy with those this year.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 3: I just I think they looked at the Acre. I
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 3: think a lot of the coaches, like I know, like
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 3: they played really well, like later the second half of
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 3: that game. I think a lot of the coaches didn't
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 3: think they played very well against Akron, And I think
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 3: that came out a little bit in the in the
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 3: press conferences both postgame and the following couple of days,
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 3: and Chip Kelly even saying Philly did a good job
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 3: calling plays, like so we didn't get any buck eye
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 3: stickers on his on his dome either, But I don't no,
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 3: there was this underlying tone of like, okay, like we
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 3: can't be too ridiculous about this publicly because we did
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 3: win by forty six points or whatever it was, but
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 3: we don't think we played very well. I think there
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 3: was a very kaled Down's even kind of said some
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 3: things like I don't know that we really played that well.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: So and the thing is, too, is like if this
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: team goes in and just boat races everybody, I mean,
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: these helmets could be could be full on old standards
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: by mid October, certainly by Halloween. So maybe they do
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: have to do that. I've always kind of joked that
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: they need to have like a like like like a
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: normal Buckeye sticker is worth one, and then like one
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: that's kind of like the one that they put like
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: on the black helmet or something like that's worth like ten.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: So you have a couple of denominations or whatever. But
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: I would I don't like messing with tradition. I don't
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: like that, and I don't like hearing about it. If
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: I sit there and say something about like what are
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: you doing now? And how could you sit there and
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: buck tradition? You're not even from Ohio. So I just
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: keep my big mouth shut and just try to keep
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: my big mouth shut on that one. Jeff Johnson says
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: that Howard had his helmet shell replaced. You know, I
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: I kind of figured something on that.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 3: But again, the student assistant that's supposed to make sure
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 3: the stickers are someone's getting fired, someone's losing their internship.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: Well he may be coaching now because with the new
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: rule and everybody desistance for that to make sure the
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: stickers transfer.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 3: You know, look how many stickers are on this one.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: Okay, Well every position could be a coach at this point,
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: so you know, and you know, God bless Quinn for
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: the you know, on the Ohio State staff. For keeping
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: Ryan back. He's the get back guy.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 3: I mean, I got a took a swipe on Saturday night.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 3: You probably didn't see, you're at the game.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've watched.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 3: Ryan away and there was like there was a there
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 3: was a swipe down on him and he almost took one.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 3: He almost literally took one for the team almost.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: We need to just sit there and put like a
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: leash that's around, like a belt loop or something like that.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 3: There's old school like forearm pads like the linebackers used
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 3: to wear. He needs to he needs to like need
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 3: some of those for blocking Ryan Day's fists coming down
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 3: on him.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: So you know, we won't have to worry about that
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: this week with it being an open week. What we
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: do know is that game time has been announced for
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: the Marshall game. That will be a twelve pm game
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: on Fox. Twelve pm on Fox generally means big noon
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: kickoff as opposed to kickoff, and then you know from there,
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: Ohio State goes on the road to play Sparty. We
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: do not have a we do not have a game
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: time for that one. We either get them thirteen or
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: six days out, really kind of depending on whether or
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: not the leagues get are the TV networks get two
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: of these exemptions? They don't ever really burn them in September,
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: so that's not really an issue. But we do not
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: have a time yet for for Michigan State. See if
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: we have anything else here in the que done.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 3: About Howard and McCord. I mean I hit on it earlier,
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 3: but I don't think the strong.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: Here it is here. It is mister Wand did we
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: make a downgrade by going Howard instead of keeping McCord.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: I'll put in my notes first, really quick, and I'll
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: be quick about so I don't take all of the
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: opinions away from Mark. I think that McCord is plenty
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: talented and is showing that off it at Syracuse. But
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: to be able to do what Ohio State needs to do,
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: I think Howard is better. I'm willing to give up
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: five points six points of arm talent to get ten
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: points of rushing ability and things of that nature we've
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: not had. We've not had one moment. And granted Ohio
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: State has completely overwhelmed its two opponents of lamenting third
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: and short, fourth and short. Whatever there was there was
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: a third and short, they did not convert into the
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: second quarter. I think maybe in the third and they
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: got a horrible spot. They got a horrible spot. It
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: should have never been third and short, a little a
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: little passed can run.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 3: There was a set up the Yeah, I thought he
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 3: got the first down.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: He got the first down, and then on the following
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: play they got up there they and snapped it quickly.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: It was a pasto castmeric out of the flat and
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: he got he got dumped for like a yard loss
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: like that play call.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 3: But no, nobody I was like by one thing coming out,
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 3: like I hated that play call.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. I hated a couple of ref calls too, But.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 3: Jukins like twenty yards of carry basically the other night.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 3: Just give it to Judkins again.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: Oh well, but your thoughts on mister Wan's question, Yeah,
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: so we talked.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 3: About this a little bit earlier, before you were on
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 3: this kind of topic came up a little bit. My
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 3: thought is that, again, in a vacuum, is Will Howard
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 3: some huge upgrade over Kyle McCord. No, I don't think so,
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 3: just purely in a vacuum, but I think in terms
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 3: of how Ryan Day envisions this offense going with a
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 3: little bit more mobility at the quarterback position. And I
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 3: also think in terms of and this kind of got
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 3: this is maybe a little more luck than just planning.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 3: But I don't think there's any question Howard fits Chip,
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 3: what Chip Kelly wants to do more than Kyle mccorr does.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 3: So I think they got maybe a similar level of quarterback,
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 3: but they got one that I think maybe fits more
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 3: of what they want to do. And I think obviously
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 3: Kyle found a very comfortable situation there in Syracuse. He's
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 3: known some of those coaches there for a while, and
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 3: so I think everyone's in a comfortable situation now, and
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 3: I think everyone's going to be better for it.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: Not a question in the in the cube, but something
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: I want to bring up. CJ. Stroud yesterday. I mean,
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: he just continues, he I know it's one game. I
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: know it's one game. We can't say one one year
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: wonder or anything like that based off of one game.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: But he has done a lot to erase the narrative
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: about Ohio State corequarterbacks. Justin Field's got to start for
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: the Steelers. Probably not the cleanest game in the world there.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: I mean, picking up the dub is important, but you know,
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: I think that the standard bearer for Ohio state right
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: now is what C. J. Stroud is doing and just
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: really what Demko Ryans has been able to get out
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: of his Texan squad, because they're still shortcomings there. Stroud
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: got sacked four times, but you know he's he's done
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: it right. He's done it right, and I think that
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: that's I think we're getting close to the point where
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: we're not going to have to hear about maybe some
• 1:21:34
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• 1:21:38
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• 1:21:41
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• 1:21:42
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• 1:21:44
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• 1:21:47
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• 1:21:50
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• 1:21:52
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• 1:21:55
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• 1:22:00
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• 1:22:11
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• 1:22:15
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• 1:22:19
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• 1:22:24
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