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- 0:07Well, here he is again, folks. Dizzy Dean, brought to you by the makers of Johnson's
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- 0:19Howdy, folks. Frank, how about you and me talking a little bit about Stan Musel, the
- 0:23star hitter of the Cardinals? Ted Williams, a slugging hero for Boston Red Sox and their
- 0:28respectable batting averages.
- 0:30All right, Diz. Friends, this is Frank Eschen, very happy to collaborate with Jerome Herman
- 0:35Dizzy Dean at a discussion of two great hitters. But, Dizzy, you mean Musel and Williams and
- 0:39their respective averages, I daresay.
- 0:42Go ahead and dare say all you want, Frank, but I'd like to ask you a question before
- 0:46you start daresaying any more.
- 0:48Shoot, Jerome, always eager to cooperate.
- 0:50Well, Frank, the last time I looked, Musel was hitting.376 and Williams was hitting
- 0:55.365.
- 0:56Frank, don't you think them as respectable averages?
- 0:59Touche, Jerome, touche. Yes, I'll admit you were right the first time. Those are very
- 1:05respectable averages. Now go even a little further along the Dizzy Dean rhetorical highway.
- 1:10I'd say that those two batters have hit for a lot of respectable bases.
- 1:13But what was the other point besides your sinister desire to catch me in a grammatical
- 1:18trap?
- 1:19I was going to say, Frank, that I guess most folks will admit that Williams and Musel is
- 1:23about as good a pair of natural hitters that has come along in a long time. They both got
- 1:28off to a great start, but they won't finish with that.400 average the baseball writers
- 1:32and radio commentators was talking about early in the season.
- 1:35A difficult objective to achieve, Jerome.
- 1:38It's more than that, Frank. It's just doggone tough to hit.400. At one time they were both
- 1:43over.400, as I remember, and it was really something to try to keep up that pace. And
- 1:49any time they'd get only two out of five, which is hitting.400 for the day, they'd
- 1:53drop a point or two. And that meant that in order to keep pace or maybe gain a little,
- 1:59they'd have to get two for four, which is.500, or three for five, which is.600.
- 2:05The point I want to make, Frank, is that anybody who ever hits.400 in the major leagues really
- 2:10has something to be proud of.
- 2:11And so to take a leap from your book, Diz, anybody who is hitting.376 or.365 can feel
- 2:17comfortable in having a respectable batting average.
- 2:20Now, Diz, we come to the mailbag department. We have two letters today. Mr. William Shamball
- 2:25of Cincinnati writes about pitchers. He notes that so many of them were unable to hurl many
- 2:30complete games, wilting after only four or five innings. And he recalls Rube Waddell,
- 2:35who rarely reported at the park except on days when he was due to pitch. And almost
- 2:40without exception, Rube was able to finish what he started. Mr. Shamball suggests that
- 2:44it might be a good idea to give pitchers a couple of days off, Diz, so they'd have the
- 2:48necessary rest, and perhaps they'd be able to pitch more complete games.
- 2:51Frank, that idea probably will make a big hit with the pitchers. Boy, that would be
- 2:56fine to have a couple of days off to go fishing or something without having to worry about
- 3:01the ballpark. But I think the manager would raise a big kick about that. You see, Frank,
- 3:06that is the matter of staying in condition. A pitcher has to run a lot. He ain't going
- 3:10to keep his legs in shape setting on a riverbank with a fishing pole in his hand.
- 3:15And here's another thing, Diz. Doesn't the average manager like to have his better pitchers
- 3:18available for an occasional relief job?
- 3:20Right you are, Frank. The year me and Paul won fifty games between us, I reckon we saved
- 3:25maybe a dozen more, helping out now and then with an inning or two to stop a rally or protect
- 3:30a small lead. Then I used to break in now and then as a pinch runner or a pinch batter
- 3:35myself.
- 3:36Ah, yes, yes. You were an asset of great versatility, Diz.
- 3:38It wasn't so much that, Frank. I could get a hold of that old ball once in a while. Boy,
- 3:43I loved a hit. I'll never forget one game when I went to hit for somebody. The other
- 3:47club had walked Bill DeLancey, a good left-hand batter, to get at the pitcher. And Frankie
- 3:52Frisk calls old Diz from the bullpen. He tells me the bases is loaded, but we're three runs
- 3:58behind. Funny how managers always tell those things, when for pity sakes I was watching
- 4:03as close as old Frankie was. Anyhow, he told me to try to get on. Well, the count gets
- 4:09to three balls and nothing, and I don't look at third base at all. I know what the sign
- 4:13is, though. I could see out of the corner of my eye that Mike Gonzalez was giving the
- 4:18take sign. But I knew the pitcher was in the hole. He knew the take sign was on. I knew
- 4:23he'd grew one for old Diz, trying to get back somewhere even on the count. Sure enough,
- 4:28he grew one, a nice, fat fast ball. And, Frank, I couldn't hold back. I let her have it and
- 4:33pounded that old ball far into the left field seats. As I passed third base, Mike Gonzalez
- 4:39was having a fifth. Dizzy, he says, you crazy. Why you swing at that ball? Don't you know
- 4:45the count? She is three and nothing, and we was three runs behind. And I says, keep your
- 4:51shirt on, Mike. I know we was three runs behind, but we ain't no more.
- 4:57What kind of a fit did Frisch have then, Diz?
- 5:00Oh, he just shook his head and called me some kind of a dumb, lucky stiff.
- 5:03Yes, but I daresay Frisch was glad you weren't taking a day off fishing that afternoon.
- 5:08Yeah, Frank, see what I mean. Yes, I think you win that one for Mr. Shambaud, Diz. And
- 5:13here's the other letter from the mailbag. Mr. Stuart Boggs of Philadelphia wants to
- 5:17know something about the importance of jockeys in baseball. And did the old Gas House gang
- 5:21go in much for that sort of stuff? First of all, Diz, you might explain what a jockey
- 5:26is. Glad to, Frank. In horse racing, a jockey rides a horse. In baseball, the jockey rides
- 5:31the other team. And while the baseball jockey don't use no spurs or no whip, he can sting
- 5:37you plenty. Yes, I guess the dugout jockey always has been and always will be a part
- 5:42of the game, Frank. And we used to break out in a little jockeying now and then in them
- 5:46good old Gas House gang days. I'll tell you one time we really went to town, Frank, in
- 5:51the 1934 World Series.
- 5:53Yes, I seem to recall there were some sharp harpoons thrown during that October Classic
- 5:57Jerome, remarks that were very, well, we might say ex cathedra, with authority, that is.
- 6:03No, we never let religion get into our jockeying, Frank. But we had a lot of fun with them tigers.
- 6:09We called them pussycats all through the series. And we got a little help from the tigers and
- 6:13the Detroit papers.
- 6:14How is that? That sounds like treason.
- 6:16Well, for one thing, schoolboy Rowe did a little ad-libbing on the radio. He was on
- 6:20a program and his heart was full of honeymoon at that particular time. And in a pause he
- 6:25spoke a few words to his bride. He says, How am I doing, Edna? And, brother, I bet he was
- 6:30many a time he'd never said that. He sure was miserable out there, trying to pitch with
- 6:35Pat Crawford, our number one jockey, and all the others, asking out loud how he was doing
- 6:41Edna. Then the Detroit papers give us some material. Mickey Cochran was injured in some
- 6:45kind of a play, and of course, Detroit was all excited about that. One of the papers
- 6:50came out with a big headline, flur across the top of the first page, which, with news
- 6:55of Cochran's injury. And there was a big picture of Mike and under it, also in big type, it
- 7:01said, Our Stricken Leader. Boy, we got knowledge out of that one. Mickey didn't show his nose
- 7:07anywhere without some jockey starting a cheer for our stricken leader.
- 7:12Frankie sure was a lot of fun pitching with that old gas house gang. And, Frank, we got
- 7:16paid for it, too.
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- 8:47forever. Now, dear, without sound advice on its way, I agree with you that it must have
- 8:52been a lot of fun traveling with those colorful Cardinals. That's what the baseball writers
- 8:57used to say, Frank. They didn't get much sleep, but there never was a dull moment. Pepper
- 9:02Martin and Rip Collins had a fancy Dan Pepper game they'd put on during practice. They always
- 9:07wove the crowd. But don't forget there was a lot of baseball in that club, Frank. Terry
- 9:11Moore, Leo DeRosier, Joe Medrick, Rip Collins, and Frankie Fritz.
- 9:15And it was all good-natured fun, too, Diz. I mean, the boys always were in shape to play
- 9:19a lot of baseball.
- 9:20You said it, Frank. Baseball was them boys' life. That's all they thought about, outside
- 9:24of having a little fun. But I know what you mean. There was no playboys on that ball club.
- 9:30A playboy just couldn't stay long in that club.
- 9:32And that sounds like a story, Diz.
- 9:34I won't say what year this was or what club it was, Frank, because it's a true story,
- 9:39and I don't want nobody to know exactly who I'm talking about. But there was one pitcher
- 9:43who liked to stay up kind of late. He didn't know how to take care of his money, either.
- 9:48And the manager, knowing this pitcher, had a family back home arranged with the front
- 9:52office to send the pitcher's paycheck to his wife so the family would be sure to have some
- 9:57money. You see, this pitcher was liable to give it all away. He was so big-hearted when
- 10:02he got on the evening merry-go-round.
- 10:05Still late in the season there was an important ball game coming up the next day. Maybe the
- 10:09pennant would hang on it. And this pitcher, I'm telling you about, really could throw
- 10:13that ball when he was right. So the manager tells him he's going to pitch that important
- 10:17game the next day, and would he please get home early that night so he'd be in shape.
- 10:22It didn't do no good, though. The pitcher got on the merry-go-round just the same that
- 10:26evening and didn't get home till the sun was up. You could see when he checked in at the
- 10:30ballpark that he hadn't been taking care of himself. The manager catches on right away,
- 10:36and he's madder than a wet hint. He said to the pitcher, Joe, that was the pitcher's name,
- 10:41wasn't the pitcher's name, Frank. I'm just using a tone guitar. I just call him Joe.
- 10:47Anyhow, the manager says, Joe, I asked you to take care of yourself so you could pitch
- 10:51this important game. And just look at you. But in shape or not, I said you were going
- 10:57to pitch, and doggone you, you are going to pitch. And the pitcher crouched back, I'll
- 11:02be doggone if I pitch, Mac. You send my paychecks to my wife. Let her pitch.
- 11:09Well now, Diz, it's your turn to pitch. Coach Dean, will you give out now with your weekly
- 11:13parcel of advice to young Americans to help them in their ambition to become big leaguers?
- 11:17Yes, Frank, and maybe sometime we'll get some organized hip from this idea out for the young
- 11:22ball players. I am talking about the hip young ball players can get from good coaching. Up
- 11:27to a certain stage, boys can go along on their own. They can learn to hit by praxis. They
- 11:32can learn to catch flies and handle grounders the same way. But when they get a little older
- 11:37and are thinking about getting a tryout in a year or two, it's time to polish up their
- 11:41baseball. In other words, there's a right and a wrong way to do many important things
- 11:45in baseball. That's where it would help if the boys could arrange to have some expert
- 11:50coaching. In almost every city in the country, there are a few old ball players retired but
- 11:56still interested in the game. Why not try to find such an old ball player in your town
- 12:01or a neighborhood? I'll bet he'd be tickled to death to have you call on him and ask if
- 12:06he wouldn't give you a couple of hours of his time each week. He can show you how to
- 12:10tag runners. He can show the first baseman how to shift. He can show the start-stop and
- 12:15second baseman how to work double plays. You've got to know how to do them things right. And
- 12:20it wouldn't take much work to put a little sliding pit in how some old-time ball players
- 12:25learn you how to slide properly. Many a game in the big leagues is won by a hook slide
- 12:30or a quick double play. Baseball now has a fine-tension plan. Old ball players can retire
- 12:36with some security. And my idea is to have baseball do something about this. And I am
- 12:42talking right now to Mr. Ford Frick and Mr. Will Harris, the two big-legged presidents.
- 12:48If they don't include some kind of a coaching project in that fair-pinching plan, Mr. Frick
- 12:52and Mr. Harris, it'll give the old players something to do in the game they lack so well.
- 12:57And it will do an awful lot for the kids. And it will help to develop more and better
- 13:01ball players to make the big leagues bigger and better.
- 13:04Say, those are words of profound wisdom, Coach Dean. And now if you'll grab that crystal
- 13:09ball, you are now Dizzy Dean the reporter. How about the big league setup, Diz, as you
- 13:14see it entering the head of the stretch? And what's going to be the deciding factor in
- 13:19the two races?
- 13:20Pitching, as I see it, Frank. For instance, the Yankees have been doing all right lately.
- 13:24Frank Shea, who was off-form early in the year, seems to be OK now. That added hip down
- 13:30the stretch could give the Yankees a big advantage. And in the National League, George Munger
- 13:34could make a big difference for the Cardinals. The Braves need some help for Spahn and Sane.
- 13:39Two men can carry the load for a while, but they get tired. If either should crack, it
- 13:44would be too bad for the Braves.
- 13:45Diz, do you think the schedule favors any particular club?
- 13:48Well, most people think it does, Frank. For instance, the Yankees and Red Sox will close
- 13:53the season playing each other. The strength of the league is in the East. Some believe
- 13:58it gives Cleveland an edge down the stretch. In the National League, the Cardinals will
- 14:02have the tough Cubs and Pirates to play in the last few days. But the Dodgers and Braves
- 14:07play a late September series.
- 14:10The way I see it, Frank, you've got to win those games down the stretch. And the second
- 14:13division clubs may be tougher than the ones up near the top.
- 14:17Well, folks, we hope you'll be right back with us at this same time next week to listen
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