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Final home series of 2025: What have we learned about the Cardinals? · Cardinal Territory: A St. Louis Cardinals Podcast

• 0:05
  Speaker 1: A special final Friday home edition of Cardinal Territory. Katie Woo,
• 0:13
  Speaker 1: Bertie got back with you for the last home series
• 0:17
  Speaker 1: of the twenty twenty five regular season.
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  Speaker 2: Bertie, can you believe we're here?
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  Speaker 3: You know, I've been fortunate, Katie, because seriously, I know
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  Speaker 3: the last three years have been rough for the Cardinals,
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  Speaker 3: but you know, I've had the best seat in the
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  Speaker 3: house for you know, this is incredible and incredible air
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  Speaker 3: of Cardinals baseball, and you know this will be I
• 0:41
  Speaker 3: think the only the second losing season since Mozilla.
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  Speaker 4: Took over as the head of baseball operations.
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  Speaker 3: But I don't know what it's like for all these cities,
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  Speaker 3: you know, and they're fans and even media that you know,
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  Speaker 3: just have to deal with like losing teams all the time.
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  Speaker 4: And my point of saying.
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  Speaker 3: That is that, yeah, there was sometimes this season you're
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  Speaker 3: like kind of like Peu, but it actually the season
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  Speaker 3: actually went by really fast, and I think that a
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  Speaker 3: lot of it had to do with there was a
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  Speaker 3: lot the first couple of months, but I thought it
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  Speaker 3: was a very interesting team, not so much with performance
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  Speaker 3: but with all the stuff scorreling.
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  Speaker 4: But by fast, I agree.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's the best wing to sum it up.
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  Speaker 1: Having up on the athletic today about kind of the
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  Speaker 1: transition season, whether or not it was a success or not,
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  Speaker 1: and I think it was a success in terms of
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  Speaker 1: they did have questions answered.
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  Speaker 2: They wanted to know if this core is.
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  Speaker 1: Currently constructed, was good enough to expedite a rebuild, and.
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  Speaker 2: I found out that it's not, so we're going to
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  Speaker 2: embrace the.
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  Speaker 1: True rebuild in Saint Louis, And that to me makes
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  Speaker 1: this series a little sentimental because I remember in twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty two, I've covered three, just three postseason games in
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  Speaker 1: my five year tenure in Saint Louis, zero wins, so
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  Speaker 1: great track record for me, but I remember my.
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  Speaker 2: First home playoff win in twenty twenty two.
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  Speaker 5: Albert's back, Yattie's last year. You've got MVP, Gould.
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  Speaker 1: Schmith, potential MVP R and auto Ben Frederickson formally of
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  Speaker 1: the same post as Patch, you and I both know
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  Speaker 1: came up before the game.
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  Speaker 2: Hey take it in because so.
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  Speaker 1: Many writers and reporters do not get to experience something
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  Speaker 1: like this, and he was referring to the energy from
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  Speaker 1: the crowd, the excitement of a legitimate postseason team so
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  Speaker 1: we thought, uh beat at.
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  Speaker 2: Their home crowd in Saint Louis, and.
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  Speaker 1: I thought to myself, October baseball for freaking Rocks. I
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  Speaker 1: can't wait to experience this over and over again. Turns
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  Speaker 1: out Benfred very wise exactly he was talking about, because
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  Speaker 1: I get to experience that since that conversation. And that's
• 2:43
  Speaker 1: what makes September baseball a little sentimental to me, because
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  Speaker 1: are thankful to have this job, and there are different
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  Speaker 1: perks and different benefits to take away from covering an
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  Speaker 1: organization in a down spiral such as Saint Louis right now.
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  Speaker 1: But I have thought that September baseball would.
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  Speaker 2: Mean gearing up for a postseason run.
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  Speaker 1: And you're gearing up for October and we're all in
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  Speaker 1: it together, and there's nothing like the postseason and covering
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  Speaker 1: that and being meant an early exit from contention. It's
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  Speaker 1: meant elimination, It's meant a lot of questions about the future.
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  Speaker 1: It's meant people losing their jobs, players losing places on
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  Speaker 1: the roster. And that makes me sentimental because I go
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  Speaker 1: when I look at all my fantastic colleagues work at
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  Speaker 1: the athletic and.
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  Speaker 2: Across the board, I'm checked in.
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  Speaker 1: On the Astros and the Matners, and I'm checking in
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  Speaker 1: on what the Blue Jays are doing. All of a sudden,
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  Speaker 1: the Guardians are relevant again. What the heck is going
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  Speaker 1: on in the NL West with the Dodgers and the
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  Speaker 1: Padres and the Giants are flaming out? But at least
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  Speaker 1: September was was fun right right, And that's what makes
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  Speaker 1: this sentimental for me, because it's the end of another
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  Speaker 1: season eighty one game that's seen some of my favorite
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  Speaker 1: people at the ball park every day.
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  Speaker 2: I will get soft on you guys. It's not why
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  Speaker 2: we're here, but I.
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  Speaker 1: Do feel some sort of emotions because September baseball was
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  Speaker 1: never supposed.
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  Speaker 4: To be like well night, and I helped R. Kummel up.
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  Speaker 3: I was a football NFL writer, but that's where I
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  Speaker 3: was hired. But I before football, the football cycles start,
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  Speaker 3: and so I came in a great time because I
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  Speaker 3: got to see that, you know, the eighty five team,
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  Speaker 3: the eighty seven team, write some stuff about them so exciting.
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  Speaker 3: You know, that Bush State and the old Bush State
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  Speaker 3: name was unbelievable. And I wasn't even here for the
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  Speaker 3: eighty two World Series yet, but you know, and then
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  Speaker 3: there was this law, the long slog. You know, from
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  Speaker 3: eighty eighty eight through ninety five they didn't make the
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  Speaker 3: playoffs and it was awful.
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  Speaker 4: And then when built the Wood bought the team.
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  Speaker 3: And then you know, also Jack Getty and Russa and
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  Speaker 3: Moe came Mo joined the Cardinals in nineteen ninety five.
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  Speaker 4: I tell you what that when the.
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  Speaker 3: Cardinals made total Lruss's first made the first team sorry
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  Speaker 3: and Saint Louis nineteen ninety six, got all the way
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  Speaker 3: into Game seven of the NLCS.
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  Speaker 4: It was just such a ride. It was so much fun,
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  Speaker 4: so much from.
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  Speaker 3: Two thousand through twenty fifteen, just like postseason, postseason, postseason, postseason.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, they were the best team in baseball basically
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  Speaker 3: for sixteen years, which doesn't mean they won the most
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  Speaker 3: World Series, but I'm just saying year in, year out,
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  Speaker 3: and i mean, oh my gosh, I just see when
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  Speaker 3: you were talking about just getting that feeling just for
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  Speaker 3: that one time in twenty point two at home. You know,
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  Speaker 3: I just like I was thinking, yeah, man, I was
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  Speaker 3: blessed because I love baseball, and I just was, you know,
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  Speaker 3: covering all those games for like sixteen consecutive years plus
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  Speaker 3: ninety six, you know, all of those postseason games. And
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  Speaker 3: I was writing something today and it brought me back
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  Speaker 3: to memories of that Game six of the World Series
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  Speaker 3: in twenty eleven. And I've been very fortunate to have
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  Speaker 3: seen some extraordinary things just locally. I mean, the nineteen
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  Speaker 3: ninety nine Rams, things like that, the Blues winning the
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  Speaker 3: Stanley Cup. I'd have to say, if someone asked me,
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  Speaker 3: Game six of that World Series was the greatest sporting
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  Speaker 3: event that I've watched, and certainly the greatest baseball game
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  Speaker 3: I've ever watched in terms of being there, you know.
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  Speaker 3: And so sometimes I squawk, like everybody squawks. Writers squawk,
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  Speaker 3: that's what we do. But man, what a treasure trove,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, a huge treasure of all these great memories.
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  Speaker 4: So I feel you what you were saying.
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  Speaker 3: And that's why when they come out of this rebuild,
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  Speaker 3: I am very confident they're going to be in a
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  Speaker 3: really good place.
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  Speaker 4: And you know, so I hope you stay long enough.
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  Speaker 4: Is your a star?
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  Speaker 2: No? In my own mind, maybe, so yeah.
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  Speaker 3: You better stay because you know, you deserve to. You
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  Speaker 3: deserve to go through that stuff because it's fun. It's work,
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  Speaker 3: but it's fun, it's exhilarating. See people think we don't
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  Speaker 3: care about that stuff.
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  Speaker 4: No, gosh, it's a thrill.
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  Speaker 3: It's like I got into this whole mess, this racket
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  Speaker 3: for big event. I wanted to see greatness. I wanted
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  Speaker 3: to write about greatness. I wanted a big big events,
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  Speaker 3: big players, big stars, big moments. So that that's one
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  Speaker 3: of the things that just keeps me going. I don't
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  Speaker 3: mean it going so long. I'll be brief after this,
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  Speaker 3: but see, you got me started on this.
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  Speaker 5: I said we were going to be sentimental, and now
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  Speaker 5: here we are so emotional.
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  Speaker 4: No, it's there's nothing like it, you know.
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  Speaker 3: And we had just this ridiculously prosperous era of baseball
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  Speaker 3: in Saint Louis, which is one of the reasons why
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  Speaker 3: and people get mad at me, and I'm not I'm
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  Speaker 3: not belittling anyone, but it's kind of like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: when I say we, I'm talking about the media me,
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  Speaker 3: we're talking about the fans too. We have had just
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  Speaker 3: this extraordinary period of winning baseball and the last three years, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: last three years, and okay, is it hell on Earth? No,
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  Speaker 3: not even close, because the predominant part of the time
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  Speaker 3: the Cardinals were excellent, and okay, they've been a conquer
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  Speaker 3: for three straight years. I've seen worse things in sports,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm speaking from my own perspective.
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  Speaker 4: It's not that bad. I understand frustration, but it ain't
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  Speaker 4: that bad.
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  Speaker 2: It's not it.
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  Speaker 1: At least we know going forward, and we'll have a
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  Speaker 1: lot more clarity about this at the end of the
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  Speaker 1: regular season what the plan will be.
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  Speaker 5: And I think that's just what the fan base needs
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  Speaker 5: to hear.
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  Speaker 2: People in Saint Louis.
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  Speaker 1: Saint Louis Cardinals fans have such a strong knowledge and
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  Speaker 1: passion for baseball and they're so smart.
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  Speaker 2: So as long as.
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  Speaker 1: They have an idea of what to expect and they
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  Speaker 1: feel like that's being communicated to them clearly and without
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  Speaker 1: the BS, I think the city will rally around it.
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  Speaker 1: Do I think they're going to sell out with stadium
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  Speaker 1: every day in twenty twenty six, No, I do not
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  Speaker 1: think that are is This organization is going to have
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  Speaker 1: to earn some trust back. Yes, But as this twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty five season comes to a close, I'm a little
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  Speaker 1: excited for rebuild because a new era of Cardinals baseball
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  Speaker 1: is about to begin and that is really exciting.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, and I agree with you with him Bloom
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  Speaker 3: And someone asked me. Someone from the Cardinals asked me.
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  Speaker 3: He said, like, if you could tell heim Blum anything,
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  Speaker 3: what would you tell him as far as like introducing himself?
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  Speaker 3: And I said, look, you know he won't want to
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  Speaker 3: take shots at MO, but the way, the one thing
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  Speaker 3: I would tell him.
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  Speaker 4: Is this, this is our plan.
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  Speaker 3: It may be a lot different than what we're all
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  Speaker 3: used to with the Saint Louis Cardinals, but it's something
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  Speaker 3: we really really feel we have to do. Then putting
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  Speaker 3: it off, but it's time, and I promise you that
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  Speaker 3: we will be better when we get through it. We
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  Speaker 3: will be really good and really exciting and ready to
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  Speaker 3: win again. But the one thing I won't do is
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  Speaker 3: try to mislead you. I will always tell you the
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  Speaker 3: truth and it will be transparent. And the person said, okay,
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  Speaker 3: why do you think that that would be good? So
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  Speaker 3: because and the person didn't disagree with me, but he said,
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  Speaker 3: why do you think that would be good? I said,
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  Speaker 3: because these people are just so tired of me and
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  Speaker 3: basically lied to or misled or hustled or you know,
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  Speaker 3: trying to do well well there, Well, we're no, we
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  Speaker 3: think we can contend.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, we think we can get, you know, and well,
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  Speaker 4: we're not. We're not rebuilding. We'll never rebuild all this stuff.
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  Speaker 3: And I was telling them, telling this person, I said, listen,
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  Speaker 3: they the Cardinals fans who are great.
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  Speaker 4: They may not like what they hear from heim Bloomer initially.
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  Speaker 4: They may not like it. They may not have a
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  Speaker 4: party who wants to hear rebuild.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: But I can picture my mind some old guy like me,
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  Speaker 3: maybe you know, saying like, well, I don't like this plan,
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  Speaker 3: but I tell you what, I get this guy credit
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  Speaker 3: for telling me the truth about it. At least I
• 10:31
  Speaker 3: can trust him. He's not trying, he's not you're not
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  Speaker 3: trying to hustle me. At least this guy tells the truth.
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  Speaker 3: So and I think that that alone will be a
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  Speaker 3: huge thing forward for the Cardinals because the messaging will
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  Speaker 3: change dramatically and the transparency will really improve.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, agreed, And here, let's let's go right into our
• 10:51
  Speaker 1: DraftKings player to watch segment, because this is onevolved two players,
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  Speaker 1: one that we can't watch anymore because it's the injured list.
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  Speaker 1: But this will require us being transparent about the future
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  Speaker 1: careers of both of these players. So let's get right
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  Speaker 1: into it, all right, our draft Kings players spotlight In
• 11:12
  Speaker 1: case you missed, it's not really news anymore, but we'll
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  Speaker 1: reference it anyway. Wilson Contreras has a season any biceps
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  Speaker 1: strain who was placed on the interur list on Wednesday,
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  Speaker 1: effectively ending his season. When you're looking at what Wilson
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  Speaker 1: Contreras did this season first year as a full time
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  Speaker 1: first baseman, he hit twenty homer's career high ADRBI and
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  Speaker 1: played a very serviceable first base, you look across the
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  Speaker 1: diamond to his cornerstone counterpart, Nolan Ronado continues to play.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, how refreshing is it to see Nolan.
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  Speaker 2: Arronado as third base again? That defense?
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  Speaker 1: It's after watching it for five years. Nolan and I
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  Speaker 1: got here in the same season in twenty twenty one.
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  Speaker 1: I just got so spoiled as to the most difficult
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  Speaker 1: plays looking routine and unfairly. When I was watching Nolan,
• 11:57
  Speaker 1: Gorman was like, those plays need to be made, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: no they Nolan Arnatto makes every impossible play look easy.
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  Speaker 1: So I've enjoyed watching him return.
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  Speaker 2: I know it's been in a season he wanted.
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  Speaker 1: In twenty twenty five from a performance standpoint, especially offensively.
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  Speaker 1: But when you look at those two players and where
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  Speaker 1: they are at and their careers, two very distinguished veterans,
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  Speaker 1: both under contract for two more years, both with full
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  Speaker 1: no trade causes, the Cardinals are gonna have to have
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  Speaker 1: very honest conversations. And I'm only talking a little bit
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  Speaker 1: about the front office. I'm also talking to ownership here
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  Speaker 1: about the careers of Contreras and Arnado, and if that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, if you're going to go to a rebuild
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  Speaker 1: and focus on the youth, do either of them have
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  Speaker 1: a place in the organization.
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  Speaker 2: We know are for Ronado. I mean, they've been trying
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  Speaker 2: to move him for a year.
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  Speaker 1: They're gonna have to try a lot harder to move
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  Speaker 1: him after his performance this year. Wilson Contreras has been
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  Speaker 1: very adamant that he does not want to waive his
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  Speaker 1: no trade cause. But with the Cardinals expected to announce
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  Speaker 1: an official rebuild very soon, does that change Contra's timeline.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure he wants to win again, That's why he
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  Speaker 1: signed to come here.
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  Speaker 2: In Saint Louis.
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  Speaker 1: So my question for you, Bernie, for our Draft Kings
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  Speaker 1: player spotlight is and we'll throw Sunny Gray in there too.
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  Speaker 1: Why not between Wilson, Conturists, Sunny, Gray, Nolan Arnado, who's
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  Speaker 1: most likely to get traded? And do you think that
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  Speaker 1: there is a chance for all three don't return to
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  Speaker 1: Saint Louis next year?
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  Speaker 4: That's interesting. I never thought about that. I guess it's possible.
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  Speaker 4: I still think that.
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  Speaker 3: Well, first of all, there's there's obstacles. You know, will
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  Speaker 3: Gray be willing to waive his no trade? Maybe maybe selectively?
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  Speaker 3: So it's got to be a place he really wants
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  Speaker 3: to be, So that's number one. Contreras. I think he's
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  Speaker 3: very happy to be with the Cardinals. I think he's
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  Speaker 3: proud to be with the Cardinals. I think he he
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  Speaker 3: wants to be a guy that's known is that.
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  Speaker 4: No, I don't. I don't want to cut and run
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  Speaker 4: when things get bad. I'm here. I want to help
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  Speaker 4: the Cardinals turn this around. I think he's very genuine.
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  Speaker 3: Arnattos is a matter of, frankly, whether a whether there's
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  Speaker 3: going to be enough interest in him that would lead
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  Speaker 3: to a trade and be whether he would approve and
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  Speaker 3: see what the cardinal how much are they willing to
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  Speaker 3: chip in to make the trade happen Financially so I
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  Speaker 3: don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, that's a tough question. I think Grace still
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  Speaker 4: probably would have the most value.
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  Speaker 3: Even though he's he's really been up and down, very
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  Speaker 3: inconsistent this year. He's still got good stuff and teams
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  Speaker 3: need starting pitching right, so I would I would say
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  Speaker 3: he'd be the most likely to go, but he still
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  Speaker 3: has the final word on it. That's what's you know,
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  Speaker 3: It's never we talked about this last week. It's always
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  Speaker 3: complicated with the Cardinals, you know. The one thing about
• 14:34
  Speaker 3: and Iron out of We've been through that many many times.
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  Speaker 3: So one thing I'll say about, you know, Conterrero's he's
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  Speaker 3: still a really good player. You know, the Cardinals improved
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  Speaker 3: both offensively and defensively at first base this season. I
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  Speaker 3: mean his like his defensive metrics are better than Paul Goldschmidt.
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  Speaker 4: Schmid's were last year. And Contrera's offense.
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  Speaker 3: I looked this up yesterday, like if he used way
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  Speaker 3: to Runs creative plus fancy pants stat it's same as
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  Speaker 3: ops plus.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's a little better. Contrasts is tied with
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  Speaker 4: Bryce Harper in terms of you know, way to runs
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  Speaker 4: creative plus this year among first basemen. I mean Wilson.
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  Speaker 3: Con Terras's is like a top eight first basement in
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  Speaker 3: the majors offensively, and he's a plus defender. I think
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  Speaker 3: he was tied for fourth and outs above average, so
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  Speaker 3: they so he is still like really really good and
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  Speaker 3: really for what they're paying him, he's on the pace
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  Speaker 3: at the end of this contract, he's on pace. If
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: you look at the Fangrass value, he's on pace to
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  Speaker 3: be the five year deal will have been worth you know,
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  Speaker 3: about one hundred and ten hundred and twelve hundred and
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  Speaker 3: fifteen million dollars and that's like an eighty seven point
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  Speaker 3: five million dollar investment.
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  Speaker 4: So the question is, I mean I see, in fact
• 15:48
  Speaker 4: I see it.
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  Speaker 3: When you ever write about Conterra's I always go for
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: the fun because there's so many people in a comment
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  Speaker 3: section just oh.
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  Speaker 4: They got to get rid of him, they got to
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  Speaker 4: get Why would they have to get rid of him?
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  Speaker 3: I don't understand, and you know, and and I answered
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  Speaker 3: some emails at Stlcentral dot com about this, and I
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  Speaker 3: just say, you know, there's so many false premise criticisms
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  Speaker 3: of him, and it bugs me because if you're going
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  Speaker 3: to say they got to get him out of here,
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: you got to know your facts, right. One of the
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: things I heard is like, well, he's not in the
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: middle of the lineup hitter. Well, first of all, even
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: if that was true, it's not his fault. That's more
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: of a reflection on the team that they built. But
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: the other thing, his numbers batting three, four and five
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: or five as a cardinal three four five.
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: Really really, really, really good.
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: And the other thing is that I hear, well, you know,
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: he gets hurt a lot, and look, he's banged up
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: against this year, played his most have played appearances in
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: this season since his like age twenty sixth season. He
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: played more this year and he has a long time.
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: So that's a false premise. That was one of the
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: reasons to move them to first base. The other thing
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: is all he doesn't hit in the clutch, false premise.
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: His numbers and his numbers in highlight average, his numbers
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: and runners score is very very good.
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: I'm not I'm really.
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: I am going to loss to explain like how some
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: people think he is a problem and he's got They
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: got to go, well, he's hot headed.
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: Well, I've been in Saint.
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: Louis since nineteen eighty five covering baseball and I seem
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: to remember conclusively Saint Louis loves hard those players who
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: were scrappy and intense, and they're not you know, they'll
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: they'll they'll stir it up.
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: On the field. So why is that now? Oh we
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: can't have this now? Like why I'm confused?
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: Saint Louis is known for loving those kind of players.
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: Did I think you're You're exactly right.
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: So I don't get it.
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: I don't get this anti controllerst currency out there. And
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying all Cardinals fans, I do not get it.
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: And if you're going to say trade him, because give
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: me reasons that are legitimate reasons, not because you don't
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: like him personally.
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: Right, that's right.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: I think if the organization I'm going to trade or
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: at least look, that's something he even wants. It's too
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: clear a space because they have so many first base
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: DH guys, which again is not a reflection of Conterrass,
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: it's a reflection of the roster.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: We know this, we talk about it all the time.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: But that would create space for Burls in full time
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: at first base, which would create more space than the
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: outfield for somebody else, Etta, et cetera. And for that reason,
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: like we we know that are not a discourse. We've
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: talked about it for like twelve straight months. Unless oship
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: is willing to pay more money, they're not going to
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: be able to trade him. That being said, ownership should
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: pay more money. It's whats best for the organization and
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: the player to move on from.
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: And they're still going to save money and they're still
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: going to save money.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: But for Contreras, I think somebody great, it's a little
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: more interesting because I think he does. You're right, he
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: does have more value. Starting pitching is always the high cost.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: He's not going to go just to go. It's going
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: to have to be a contender. It's going to be
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: somewhere close to Nashville. He's very particular, as we know,
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: and he's earned the right to be. For Contreras, if
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: he does decide to look at his options, there there
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: will be something out there for There will be a
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: market for conturers. Based on the bat alone.
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: I would be very surprised come twenty twenty six if
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: I would be shocked come twenty twenty six if all
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: three players are with the Cardinals. But I would be
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: a little surprised if all three or not. I would
• 19:13
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• 19:17
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• 19:26
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• 19:30
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• 19:32
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• 19:35
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• 21:17
  Speaker 1: enters the final three games at his long decorated Cardinals career,
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  Speaker 1: he will be with the team before the end of
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  Speaker 1: the season. I believe he has plans to be in
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  Speaker 5: All right, Bernie, the John Mosalla Eira is coming.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: To an end.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: He will be in attendance for the final three games
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: is obviously at BAD. I know that you have a
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: video that I would highly recommend people checking out, dedicated
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: towards Mo and his career. There's no way we'll be
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: able to fit in his entire career when he's accomplished
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: for this organization and Major League Baseball in this short segment,
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: but what would you like to see or how would
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: you like to see Moby remembered this in his final
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: health series.
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: As you know, I've been a really tough critic of
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: Mode the last couple of three years. Okay, and so
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: uh when I when I said about to do this video,
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: which isn't up yet but it will be, and it's long,
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: but you can watch it in sections like you would
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: listen to a radio talk show, in sections. You know,
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: I thought, you know, people are going to say, well,
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: you're a hypocrite because you've been pound on it, Because
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: my my, it's not only my wish. But it's also
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: my belief that Cardinals fans on Sunday, because I do
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: believe John was like, I'll be thrown out of some
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: ceremonial first pitch, should treat him with kindness, and they
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: should be polite, and they should be civil.
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: And they should appreciate.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: As frustrating as the recent seasons have been, they really should,
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: they really should take time, deep breath and remember all
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: the great baseball that John mose Like played a huge
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: role in providing for.
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: This fan base.
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: You know, when you have when you have year after
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: year after year after year after year after year of success,
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: high end success, that's not that all that doesn't get
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: wiped away in a race because you've had three disappointing seasons.
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: It doesn't work that way.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: And I also think, and this will be my last
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: point on this, I also think Saint Louis sins I
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: moved here and I consider myself a Saint Louis and
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: Saint Louis baseball fans have had an impeccable reputation with
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: in not just baseball but all sports, of being classy,
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: the type of fans that will applaud visiting players when
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: they make a great play or they do something special,
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: Cardinals fans will give them an ovation. And it's like
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: through the years, Katie, I can't tell you how many
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: baseball people from other teams, players, managers, etc.
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: Instead of like got these fans are incredible. I mean
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: they're just incredible. They're so they love.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: Baseball so much they appreciate even when the visiting team
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: does something. So my take on this is people around
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: the country, you know, they noticed all the empty seats.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: They notice like the fans stayed away, and it's kind
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: of like, oh, you know, best fans of baseball type stuff, right, sarcasm.
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: If Cardinals fans after this incredible.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: Run that John as they like said, if there is
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: noticeable booing or just unpleasantness.
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: And they can't they can't see it.
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: To basically take what three minutes four minutes to show
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: appreciation for all the great years, that's kind of sad
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: and I'd hate to see. I want Saint Louis baseball
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: fans to just maintain that great reputation they have. Right,
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: you can be upset with the way things have gone on,
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: of course, but you should have the class to appreciate
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: all the great stuff that happened with him being Walt
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: Jackeyese top assistant, the guy who was in charge of
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: the draft when they drafted Poolholes and Molina, and then
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: their record even with the last three years baked in,
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: their record since he became the head of the baseball
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: operations in two thousand and eight, I mean, it's really
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: really good, even with the bad stuff baked in.
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: So show some class. Please be vi.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: Fully upset over the state of the franchise right now.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't blame you, I get it. We just talked
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: about how disappointed I was to have you know, thy
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: straight seasons about the October. You can also take a
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: look at what Saint Louis Cardinals have accomplished over the
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: last two decades. I mean I laughed about this with
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: last month. He's been with the Cardinals longer than I've
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: been alive. That is impressive to and uh, I think
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: that took both of us by surprising when we figured
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: that about. That's impressive to do in any franchise with
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: any sport base on in particular when when change and
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: turnover is very, very high, and the Saint Louis Cardinals
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: are one of the most prestigious historic franchises in professional
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: sports for a reason. Yes, the state of the franchise
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: right now is not great, but Mo has done in
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: his entire career. It's a testament hard work, perseverance. I
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: mean hack He started as the beating practice because he
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: was left handed for the Colorado Rockies, and then he
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: went I don't know if you guys have ever talked
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: to a professional sports.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: Clubhouse attendant before. If there's one job that's less glamorous.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: Than writer, it would be that and worked his way
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: up to be one of the most highest ranking officials
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: and one of the best sports to work in.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: Have your grids him.
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: No one's claiming he's perfect.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: We certainly have not been best friends for many times
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: over the last five years, but there's a lot to
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: be expected and appreciated about what he's done in his career.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: And if you don't feel the same way, that's totally okay,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: that's totally right, No reason to boo. He's eving anyway.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: You should be cheering and that's how you feel. So
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: I think that that we'll hear from a one more time.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: He'll do an end of seasons conference, and then guess
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: what if you don't want to hear from ever.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: Again, you don't have to. I hope remembers. I hope remember.
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: You know, look, and you know the two thousand level
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: World Series. The work he did putting that team together
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: and then filling in holes during the season was phenomenal.
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: And yet I've had people tell me, well, he doesn't
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: deserve any credit for that.
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: Oh he doesn't. I don't know. I thought David Freese was.
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: It was the scouting director for Albert Poole's.
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: Or yeah, right, and you out of your Millana. And
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: you know, also, you didn't like the Lence Berkman trade.
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: How that worked?
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: The guy that saved the season in Game six, two strikes,
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: two outs, cars are behind, bottom of the tenth, Berkman
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: beautiful stroke opposite field, game tied, Freeze wins it.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: So you didn't like that.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: I mean, he saved the season with those flipped and
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: Kobe Rasmus, whoever, nobody could, nobody liked he could play,
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: but he didn't get even try to get the.
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: Most of his ability.
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: He flipped him a three way where he got a
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: starting pitcher he needed and two relievers that he needed,
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: and they don't win the World Series. And that twenty eleven,
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Matt ho Holiday for nothing in two thousand
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: and nine, they win the division after they get in.
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: I mean, these are just some of the things. I
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: could go on and on and on.
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: But since he became the head of Baseball operations in
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: two thousand and eight, the only two teams that have
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: played in more postseasons.
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: Are the Dodgers and the Yankees. And I would say
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: they have like a little bit of a financial.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: A little player market.
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: Three, right, you know one other thing.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: I love this one, you know, so they'll have I
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: assume they're going to have a losing season this year,
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: So that'd be two losing seasons in eighteen years. And
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying that's great. You never want to see
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: a losing season. The other teams in the l Central combined.
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: When the Cardinals have had two losing seasons as of
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: right now, this doesn't count. You know, maybe Cincinnati losing season.
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: Pittsburgh will have a LOSA.
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: Let me just shut up. Two losing seasons.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: The rest of the teams in the Vision combined, and
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: this includes when Houston was still here, have combined for
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: forty one losing seasons.
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: Cardinals event too.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not that's not too shabby.
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: I don't think, oh no, we haven't bad. It's hell
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: on earth.
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: So anyway, well, I mean it's a great record. I
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: understand the disappointment, but it's like, don't let that block
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: out all of the great.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Been likely Cardinals Hall of Famer and his significance with
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: major League Baseball. It's something that is going to be
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: talked about and remembered for a very long time.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: So with that, I got.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: To go to the ballpark for our last three years,
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: and baseball happened. Bernie and I will be back and
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: talk to you next week for the last week of
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: the season, but we'll save all those goodbyes for later.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: For Bernie, I'm Katie. This is criminal territory.