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Villain Behavior with Victoria Larson · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast
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  Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, y'all, welcome to the Almost Famous Podcast. Today we
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  Speaker 2: have Victoria Larson joining us. She was on our podcast
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  Speaker 2: back in December, but it well, first off, you may
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  Speaker 2: remember her from Matt James this season. She was the
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  Speaker 2: quote villain and she was here in December talking about
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  Speaker 2: her stint on the House of Villains on E and
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  Speaker 2: now we wanted to have her back to talk about
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  Speaker 2: Matt James since you know, he's been a hot topic
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  Speaker 2: lately and specifically this TikTok that she released about Bachelor
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  Speaker 2: production manipulating her.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I did, thank you for having me, and yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I just post on my TikTok so casually without thinking,
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  Speaker 1: and then I'm like, oops, people are watching. Does that
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  Speaker 1: happen to you? Guys like you forget?
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  Speaker 3: No, I never forget. I'm scared of all oil post
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  Speaker 3: I never I never do anything. I'm overthoughtful about it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I will say this.
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  Speaker 2: Ben was talking about how not just how one of
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  Speaker 2: our closest executive producers seems to be on the outs
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  Speaker 2: this month, but a lot basically anyone that we knew
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  Speaker 2: from our time on the Bachelor might be gone after
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  Speaker 2: I heard that this coming finale, and I have then
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  Speaker 2: zero ties and no one to I don't care about
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  Speaker 2: talking as much if there's nobody there that I truly
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  Speaker 2: care about out of you, not that they I really
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  Speaker 2: have much tea to spill, but like if I and
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  Speaker 2: especially not about my experience. However, if I see certain
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  Speaker 2: things now watching the show, like, I'll feel a little
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  Speaker 2: bit more free to comment.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and I'm glad you say like your experience too,
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  Speaker 1: because whenever people ask me like, oh, how is it
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  Speaker 1: on the Bachelor, I'm like, well, my experience was this,
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  Speaker 1: Like each person has a totally different experience, so right,
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, and I've seen things going around now like
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  Speaker 1: some girl, you know, whoever was the villain this year
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  Speaker 1: kind of went through the ringer, but I haven't followed.
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  Speaker 3: Enough so I have. I kind of want to go
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  Speaker 3: into the psychological sides of your TikTok okay because when
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  Speaker 3: and I could be wrong, I want to talk this
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  Speaker 3: through with you because I want to try to get
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  Speaker 3: to an understanding of how somebody becomes a villain. I
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  Speaker 3: think we talked in December about the villain on my
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  Speaker 3: season was Olivia creedy, and I think it was very
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  Speaker 3: unfair to her, just not who she is. And but you, okay,
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  Speaker 3: so you said you were manipulated, I think to be
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  Speaker 3: the villain because you wanted screen time. If I remember
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  Speaker 3: in December, though, you kind of own that, you like
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  Speaker 3: kind of own the screen time idea that you like
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  Speaker 3: to be on TV. You obviously agree to go on
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  Speaker 3: House of Villains with the title of villains. And so
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  Speaker 3: I want to get an understanding of why this TikTok
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  Speaker 3: came out.
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  Speaker 1: Now, well, okay, maybe manipulated is a strong word, but
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't meant in a malicious way. It's just it
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  Speaker 1: was a TikTok trend. Like I just threw something up.
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  Speaker 2: Manipulated was a TikTok trend.
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  Speaker 1: No, Like the trend was the sound, and then you
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  Speaker 1: put it with like like the trend was you're so funny,
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  Speaker 1: here's a horrible experience I went through, and like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: that was the trend. So yeah, I think that's why
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  Speaker 1: I put it up. And I think as in December
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  Speaker 1: when I was on House Civilians, I was embracing that role,
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  Speaker 1: rolling with the punches, and I don't know, it just
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  Speaker 1: wasn't a serious TikTok and then it got a little
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  Speaker 1: bit blown up.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so that this helps, so you this wasn't kind
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  Speaker 3: of a tell all. Let's it's wild timing. So I
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  Speaker 3: think the audience is watching this in San Okay, Victoria
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  Speaker 3: or calling them out at a time when articles are
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  Speaker 3: getting released. Yeah, exactly that it's an unhealthy idea.
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  Speaker 1: I actually do live under a rock with the Bachelor stuff,
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  Speaker 1: like I'm not tuned in. It's I saw the Matt
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  Speaker 1: and Rachel think from Call Her Daddy, but like Bachelor news,
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  Speaker 1: I really I'm not tuned in.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, So let me update you because I want to
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  Speaker 3: get your thoughts now about at the same time that
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  Speaker 3: your TikTok came out, they pretty much are well. The
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  Speaker 3: executive producers the Bachelor have now left. They are no
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  Speaker 3: longer working on the show. And when Ashley said there's
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  Speaker 3: nobody really on the show that you would know in
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  Speaker 3: terms of production, that is going to probably become a
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  Speaker 3: very true statement. In a week. We don't know how
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  Speaker 3: many people have been let go or have left.
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  Speaker 1: I heard of that because one of my producers from
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  Speaker 1: How Civilians It's now doing Paradise, So like I hear
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  Speaker 1: talks about it, but I didn't know there was like
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  Speaker 1: articles like I just know private conversations.
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  Speaker 3: So it's great timing, and I thought that would my
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  Speaker 3: questions were leading into. I thought this was maybe a
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  Speaker 3: time where you said, Okay, if staff is speaking up
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  Speaker 3: about an unhealthy working environment, maybe I will speak up
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  Speaker 3: about my experience on the show and let people know
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  Speaker 3: what it's like to be a cast member who is
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  Speaker 3: cast or at least produced to be a villain.
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  Speaker 1: No, actually not at all, like complete coincidence, like she
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  Speaker 1: was just doing a trend.
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  Speaker 3: Guess.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was wondering why it went viral, But now
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  Speaker 1: it makes sense. I had done pilates with someone, so
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  Speaker 1: since we last talked, I was going to get back
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  Speaker 1: into aviation. I randomly got back into pilates. Was coaching
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  Speaker 1: a client and I'm like, yeah, none of my things
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  Speaker 1: go viral, and he does marketing. He's like, well, you
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  Speaker 1: have to comment back to people to like boost the algorithm.
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  Speaker 1: So I thought that's why. Still had no idea until
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  Speaker 1: you guys just told me. But that makes sense.
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  Speaker 3: Well it's your reaction then, I mean, you just found
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  Speaker 3: out that it went viral because it was a great video.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to take it away from you that
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  Speaker 3: it wasn't a viral worthy video, but now that you
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  Speaker 3: know the context at which it was posted and you're
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  Speaker 3: finding this out in real time, I would love to
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  Speaker 3: hear your real time thoughts on how this is all looking.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. I guess change is always inevitable,
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  Speaker 1: and I believe change is good. And I think that I, personally,
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  Speaker 1: as a viewer of TV, don't enjoy toxic drama anymore.
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  Speaker 1: Like I used to love The Housewives, I can't even
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  Speaker 1: watch it anymore. I don't feel good after watching that
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  Speaker 1: type of show. And I do know a lot of
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  Speaker 1: the comments I got were, you know, like you're taking
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  Speaker 1: away from Matt's love story, And I think when people
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  Speaker 1: watch The Bachelor, they want to see love stories, they
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  Speaker 1: don't necessarily want the drama. Although on the contrary, there's
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  Speaker 1: other people that are like, we only watch for you,
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  Speaker 1: we love the drama. So it's hard to say, but
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  Speaker 1: I think that this next generation is a very positive
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  Speaker 1: place and so like they probably just want a more
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  Speaker 1: love story TV show rather than drama.
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  Speaker 2: Well that that's very nice. Considering we were crapping on
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  Speaker 2: Gens yesterday, we were like they don't have I don't
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  Speaker 2: know how to have conversations.
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  Speaker 1: That they don't, but I still think they like good vibes.
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  Speaker 3: And that's true.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, And you know you have two young boys,
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  Speaker 1: so you'll want them to grow up in like a
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  Speaker 1: more positive, loving universe. And I think because I even
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  Speaker 1: thought about it, like one of my pilates instructors is
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  Speaker 1: like this gay guy and he's fabulous, but he's like
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  Speaker 1: he's saying, how like the old school gays were much
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  Speaker 1: more catty, And I mean gay friends now are like
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  Speaker 1: fabulous and kind, and I think a lot of society
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  Speaker 1: is moving towards that.
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  Speaker 3: Good.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad that you have this. Meant that's very
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  Speaker 2: that's very sweet. And I do feel like you were
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  Speaker 2: putting on a show a little bit during Matt James'
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  Speaker 2: season and you said that, But there.
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  Speaker 1: Are elements of both, Like I was putting on a
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  Speaker 1: show in some regard because like I said, like I'm
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  Speaker 1: rolling with the punches, but there were parts of it
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  Speaker 1: where I was like young, it was my first time
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  Speaker 1: on set, and like there were elements where I was misled.
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  Speaker 1: And I think what people aren't understanding is they think
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  Speaker 1: it's either black or white, like were you manipulated or
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  Speaker 1: were you this? And it's like combo, there was some
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  Speaker 1: gray area.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, it's definitely kind of a paradox overlay that
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  Speaker 2: you have on top of this TikTok because you said
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  Speaker 2: you were manipulated into being the villain because you wanted airtime,
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  Speaker 2: and it entertained during COVID when everything was canceled culture.
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  Speaker 2: So basically you're saying like, I maybe wasn't so manipulated
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  Speaker 2: because I wanted to go along with things that were spicy.
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  Speaker 1: I guess the manipulation was I did not realize the
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  Speaker 1: edit kind of.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you didn't know that scary music would go behind
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  Speaker 2: what you were saying and make it sound way more
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  Speaker 2: evil than it really was supposed to be.
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  Speaker 1: And even when I was talking to Katie, this popped
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  Speaker 1: up on my TikTok the other day. When I had
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  Speaker 1: the conversation with Katie. I do remember that specifically, they
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  Speaker 1: were like, you can't go to bed until you talk
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  Speaker 1: to Katie. I didn't want to talk to Katie. So
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  Speaker 1: I mean, if that's not manipulation, I don't know what
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  Speaker 1: it is. But it's also then people say you have
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  Speaker 1: free will, which is true. So then when I went
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  Speaker 1: to Paradise, I learned, oh, I can say no, Like
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know that my first time. I really didn't.
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  Speaker 1: So that's where I say like it was manipulated because
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  Speaker 1: in the Crown like that was not my original idea
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  Speaker 1: and I was like, I would never do that, and
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  Speaker 1: they were like, just do it, it'll be funny. So
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  Speaker 1: like things like that. I mean, I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: manipulation is the best word or if it's like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: what would you say? Say is a word to describe
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  Speaker 1: that situation? I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I mean mine would be at a time. And this
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  Speaker 3: is not a hit to you. It's easily influenced.
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  Speaker 1: Oh for sure.
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  Speaker 3: I was, Yeah, you didn't know. I mean it's a
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  Speaker 3: wild statement, in a powerful statement a lot of ways.
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  Speaker 3: And I think one that a lot of people going
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  Speaker 3: on the show would make is I didn't know I
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  Speaker 3: could say no, which is a very which isn't like
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to say this and say that like
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  Speaker 3: no isn't a reasonable response. They might not like it.
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  Speaker 3: They might get pushy.
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  Speaker 1: You might have to say no like five times.
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  Speaker 3: You also may not get as far. Yeah exactly, I
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  Speaker 3: wouldn't say yeah. I mean I would say that, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I said no many times. You know, there's especially as
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  Speaker 3: a lead.
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  Speaker 1: But they'll still test you like you have to be
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  Speaker 1: so firm you. I really do believe, like when you
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  Speaker 1: go on that show, you have to know who you are.
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  Speaker 1: And when I went on that show, it was like
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  Speaker 1: I was young living in La, which now that I
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  Speaker 1: moved back to LA, I see how much I've grown
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  Speaker 1: and how stable I am. But LA is kind of
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  Speaker 1: a place where you can lose your identity a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: So I was in that situation and then went on
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  Speaker 1: the show. Yeah, I was definitely very easily influenced.
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  Speaker 3: There's a few things in the comments of your TikTok.
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  Speaker 3: And then I want to move on to your House
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  Speaker 3: of Villains choice, because I do think it very much
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  Speaker 3: relates to this TikTok in the sense that you don't
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  Speaker 3: want to be the villain, but you went on a
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  Speaker 3: show full of villains.
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  Speaker 1: Well yeah, and they said they said on House of Villains,
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  Speaker 1: like you can show that you're not a villain. So
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  Speaker 1: it was kind of like my redemption that Paradise didn't
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  Speaker 1: give me.
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  Speaker 2: You and Kurran both really not villains.
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  Speaker 1: No, Karin's so not a villain, She's just hilarious.
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  Speaker 3: You said quote in your Tiko talk that said this
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  Speaker 3: was the worst experience of your life.
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  Speaker 1: I think that was like really old.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah it was twenty one, okay, but it's still you
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  Speaker 3: said it. It's out there and it's it's getting pulled
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  Speaker 3: back in articles because of this video. Do you still
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  Speaker 3: stand by that, Like, looking back now and you have
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  Speaker 3: had this House of Villains show paradise, maybe you'd say
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  Speaker 3: yes to Paradise again if they asked, is it still
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  Speaker 3: the worst experience of your life? Or have you had
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  Speaker 3: a different perspective now?
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  Speaker 1: So the filming wasn't the worst experience of my life,
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  Speaker 1: but all the online hate afterwards, I will absolutely say
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  Speaker 1: still that was the worst experience of my life. I've
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  Speaker 1: never experienced that type of magnitude of hate. It was
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  Speaker 1: such a st stressful time and like, yeah, I mean
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't even go on Twitter. It was just like
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  Speaker 1: memes hate. That was horrible. That was definitely the worst
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  Speaker 1: experience of my life. But I do think life has
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  Speaker 1: good and bad for us to grow, So I'm not
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  Speaker 1: like resentful that it happened.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember when that was happening to you. You
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  Speaker 3: had spoken out, and I think it was probably in
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  Speaker 3: relation to the same thing I just brought up. And
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  Speaker 3: it's always important for us. And I think I don't
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  Speaker 3: want to just say reality television. I think it's in
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  Speaker 3: general sports, you know, coworkers, whatever life is, you know,
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  Speaker 3: surrounding you with the hate is is so unnecessary. It
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  Speaker 3: doesn't do anything good. And I think it's always a
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  Speaker 3: good reminder, especially in this situation, that like, you're a
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  Speaker 3: real person reading this and it's affecting you deeply. But
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  Speaker 3: I guess the thing that happens there is you probably
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  Speaker 3: start to question yourself in a thousand different ways. When
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  Speaker 3: you're reading these things. You're probably getting pretty down on
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  Speaker 3: yourself and also super sad. Yeah, but you're watching this
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  Speaker 3: on television at the same time. Did you feel like
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  Speaker 3: you there was any accurate portrayal of you on television
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  Speaker 3: or do you feel like you're watching a stranger the
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  Speaker 3: whole time?
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  Speaker 1: No, And even my friends who watched it were like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that girl, Like I don't know. So
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  Speaker 1: I think The Bachelor can be very one dimensional. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: if you compare it to other reality shows, these girls
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  Speaker 1: are given one season, they're given one character thing, whereas
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  Speaker 1: even on How Civillains Like, they showed more dimensions, more sides.
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  Speaker 1: So I think that was an issue as well. It
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  Speaker 1: was like I was just boxed in as the villain
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  Speaker 1: and like they didn't show any other moments you know
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  Speaker 1: that I had. So yeah, I don't think it accurately
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  Speaker 1: portrayed me at all.
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  Speaker 3: So you would say you were you were more of
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  Speaker 3: a villain on The Bachelor than you were in the
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  Speaker 3: House of Villains, Is that true?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? I think so, because how Civillains like, they show
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  Speaker 1: more sides of you. They show when you're silly, they
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  Speaker 1: show when you're kind I mean, do they show kindness,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, but they just have more overall, whereas,
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  Speaker 1: like you know, even on The Bachelor, when you were
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  Speaker 1: there that day, like me and Brie were like throwing
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  Speaker 1: the leaves up, having fun, and like they don't show
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  Speaker 1: any of that. They just show storylines that they want.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. It's a different.
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  Speaker 3: Experience that's interesting. So yeah, would you you don't regret
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  Speaker 3: the House of going on House of Villains? Then No?
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  Speaker 2: I loved House of Villains And how was that produced differently?
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  Speaker 2: How was it, like, you know, how was productions handed
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  Speaker 2: at all?
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  Speaker 1: I never saw a production and that's what we're talking
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  Speaker 1: about yesterday. So I remember. Yeah. I even asked Wes
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  Speaker 1: because he had done Real World, and I was like, wait,
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  Speaker 1: is this normal, like we never see producers and he's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm like Bachelor, I was with them all the time,
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  Speaker 1: So that was different for me. It was more real
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  Speaker 1: conversations because you're like meshed in with these people. For me,
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  Speaker 1: like my experience oftentimes on Bachelor, like they would make
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  Speaker 1: us have a conversation. I guess the difference is too.
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  Speaker 1: On Bachelor it's like all New Girls, and then how
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  Speaker 1: Civilians it's like all stars, Like these people know how
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  Speaker 1: to make a TV show, know what to do, and
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  Speaker 1: you know some of them are in their own characters
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  Speaker 1: a lot of the time.
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  Speaker 2: But characters. So would you say that they have like
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  Speaker 2: a mask on, like they are playing a role.
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  Speaker 1: Definitely, Candy the drag queen like puts on a show.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, and Safari too. Safari likes to act. He's
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  Speaker 1: never serious.
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  Speaker 3: TV is obviously something that you've thrived in. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: you know, guys like it or not. Your villain character
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  Speaker 3: has you know, helled you into new opportunities. I don't
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  Speaker 3: like the hate.
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  Speaker 1: You know, have exciting news. I'm doing a movie like
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  Speaker 1: the end of April May, so I'm so excited.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, yes, tell us, more like, can you tell
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  Speaker 3: us anything?
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  Speaker 1: I'm kind of just playing the hot, dumb girl, which
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  Speaker 1: is better than the villain. Okay, we're moving up. What
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  Speaker 1: kind of movie is it. It's kind of a drama,
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  Speaker 1: but then my role is like funny, congrats, thank you.
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  Speaker 3: So my whole point to this and where I want
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  Speaker 3: to go with this interview is you are a villain
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  Speaker 3: on the Bachelor. It's propelled you in to these new opportunities.
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  Speaker 3: The hate and the online you know noise is really hard,
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  Speaker 3: especially when you're new to this. I think it, you
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  Speaker 3: know today, like if it happened, it would still affect me,
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  Speaker 3: but it wouldn't paralyze me maybe like it used to
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  Speaker 3: back in the back when this was so new.
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
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  Speaker 3: You go on House of Villains, you enjoy that experience.
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  Speaker 3: And so where I want this to go is you
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: have now kind of owned this villainous character in some way,
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: You're more confident, you're getting into acting, You're staying out
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: there in the spotlight. So for anybody in upcoming seasons
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: of The Bachelor or in reality television in general, and
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: they have this villain title thrown to them, what would
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: you tell them as advice to help them get through
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: that season as they feel like they're watching themselves on
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: television and it's not really them.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: First of all, I would say it would have been
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: easier to go a different route. I just ran with
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: the villain thing because I had to anyone going through it,
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: I would say, this too shall pass, you know, and
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: like just try and go with the cards that were
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: dealt to you and know your worth and know that's
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: not who you really are and that it can still
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: be a stepping stone onto the next part of your
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: life and just not get stuck in that. And also,
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: my dad gave me the advice to just like maintain
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: a neutral platform because it's like when people were like
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: the Queen, I was getting really high and they're like, whatever,
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: you get really low. So just kind of like don't
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: listen to anything like good or bad because none of
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: these people know you.
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: If it makes you feel any better. There's probably two
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: cast members from Matt James's season that I could remember
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: off the top of my head, and you would be
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: one of them.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a pro You'll be memorable.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're memorable. So sure if Paradise calls, I don't
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: know would you go. I mean, obviously you've had a
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: rocky road, but Paradise was better for you than the Bachelor.
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: You said, yeah, I.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: Would maybe do it. And there's new producers now, so
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: it could be a cool experience.
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: And you had a feud with Katie Thurston on Matt
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: Jams season. Have have you talked to her at all recently?
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: Her and I have kept in touch, but not like consistently.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: But I saw like she's going through something crazy. Did
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: you see she posted like she has breast cancer, so
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: hopefully she was doing okay. I don't correspond with her,
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: but we're like fine.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: And then Mad James, so yeah, he's a single man. Now,
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: I'm assuming that you wouldn't want to go after that though, No.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: That he's definitely like not on my list at all.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: What was your take on the breakup and how it
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: was so sudden.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, I watched Rachel's interview. I feel bad for her.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: We've all gone through that type of relationship and Matt
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: like I feel bad for him too, Like I don't
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: think anyone deserves like online hate. I was surprised actually
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: she went on a podcast. I guess she wanted to
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: have her side of the story out, But I mean
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: I would love to hear I'm on a podcast and
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: hear his side.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: Too, well, Matt James, You're welcome to come on our podcast.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: Would love that.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: I think he's actually gonna stay quiet about this breakup though,
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: I think he knows that's what's probably best for him,
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: being that Rachel is really to steal your title living
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: a queen lifestyle right now, Like this girl is seen Rachel,
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: We're like bound down to her.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: She looks fabulous. Yeah, but it's also like, remember the
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: media did that with like, uh, what was it the
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: vander Pump, Like the scandabal like Marianna really took off,
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: and like, I mean, did you guys watch what was it? Traders?
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: With Tom Traders is hilarious? Well, Tom was hilarious on
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: that show. And it's like, as we were talking about earlier,
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: like everyone's a human being reading these comments. So whether
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: someone has a breakup or cheats or makes a mistake
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: or you know, like that's their own business. But we
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: live in a day and age where the whole Internet
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: just dissect it, which is insane.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I would. I would just say though, if you
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: sign up for multiple reality television shows, you're putting yourself
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: out there for praise and criticism. If you like definitely
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: don't want it, you don't do it.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: And what Jared always says is if you are not
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: being talked about, well then you're probably like kind of boring.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Well, guys, that's why I posted the TikTok like I
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: am irrelevant, So I'm like, I didn't know it would
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: go viral, Like I just post on there chilling living
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: my life like post me and my dog hiking like
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: it's it was not that deep and it was kind
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: of scary, to be honest.
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: It's it's it was. It was great timing unbeknownst to you,
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: Which is one of the most like comedic takeaways from
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: This Time with You today is that you had no
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: clue that at the same time that you're calling out
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: the show, the show is calling out themselves with mass
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: mass exodus and and the show will look very different. Now, Victor,
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: you got to look into this. This is this is happening.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: Staff is leaving. We don't know what the Bachelor's going
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: to look like in a year or who's going to
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: be running it, and so your TikTok was wildly good
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: timing for you not planning it.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: I'm in alignment still with Bachelor Nation.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: It's right you somehow get it, Victoria. Next time you
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: have a big TikTok, come back on, let's talk about it.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Thank you for having me.
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and we wish you the best. We'll be tuning
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: into this movie announcement. It's a big deal. Congratulations. And
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: then also if you get the phone call for Paradise
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: and if you say yes, we would love to see it.
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: One more redemption story for Victoria Larson. Until next time,
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: I've been been.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: I've been Ashley, Victoria, last time, I was scared to
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: talk to you this time.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: Thank You're so nice. Goodbye bye to Ben and Ashley.
• 24:00
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• 24:04
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