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Ghislaine Maxwell And The Deposition That Led To Her Downfall (Part 10) (5/16/26) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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  Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
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  In this episode, we're gonna dive right back in to
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  the Glaine Maxwell deposition, So let's get the discuss bus rolling,
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  shall we. McCauley, Let's flip back to the next page,
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  the one we were on before they're adacted. The message
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  towards the bottom that says for Jeffrey message of Golaine,
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  and it says, would it be helpful to have it
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  then redacted come to Palm Beach today to stay here
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  and help train new staff with Glaine. Who are you
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  referring to in that message? Do you remember, mister Pagliuca
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  objection to the form and the foundation? McCauley, The question
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  is do you recall the message? Maxwell? I do not
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  recall the message. McCauley. Do you recall training a female
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  under the age of eighteen at Jeffrey Epstein's home Pagliuka
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  objection to the form and the foundation? Maxwell, I have
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  never trained a female under the age of eighteen at
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  Jeffrey's home. McCauley, did you ever say it would be
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  helpful to have a female under the age of eighteen
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  come to Palm Beach today to stay here and help
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  train new staff with Glaine. Maxwell, I never asked anyone
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  under the age of eighteen to come and help train
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  new staff. McCauley, I'm going to flip to the next page,
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  which is redacted. Maxwell. By the way, that is not
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  my handwriting, and it's not dated, and I couldn't possibly
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  tell you who that is. Did you hear that, McCauley,
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  You got your testimony on the record, Maxwell, Yes, mister
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  Edwards Roberts redacted. McCauley, I'm going to direct your attention
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  to the top right hand corner for mister Epstein redacted message,
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  redacted a phone number and called Do you know who
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  that is? Maxwell? I do not, McCauley. Do you know
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  that redacted was fifteen at the time she left this message?
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  Mister Pagliuca objection to the form and foundation, Maxwell, I
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  don't know who redacted is, McCauley. And and then I'm
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  going to direct your attention to the bottom left, which
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  is a message Jaye message of redacted, and the message
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  says he just did a good one. Eighteen years she
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  spoke to me and said I love Jeffrey was redacted,
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  referring to sex with an eighteen year old in that message,
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  mister Pagliuca, objection to the form and the foundation? Maxwell,
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  how could I know what redacted is referring to? McCauley.
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  Do you know if redacted had sex with an eighteen
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  year old that he referenced to Jeffrey Epstein and we're
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  talking about John Luke Brenell here. Pakliuka, objection to the
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  form and the foundation? Maxwell, how could I possibly know? McCauley.
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  Did Jeffrey Epstein or redacted ever tell you that redacted
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  had sex with an eighteen year old? Mister Pagliuca, objection
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  to the form and the foundation? Maxwell, I have no
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  idea what you're talking about, McCauley. Did they ever tell
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  you that? Maxwell? I have no recollection of every here?
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  Such a ridiculous thing, McCauley. I will turn to the
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  next page, which is SAO twenty eight forty one. Menager,
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  do you have the Baits number McCauley, the bottom right
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  hand corner, mister Epstein, the date redacted, Miss Maxwell. It
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  says redacted, It says quote redacted is available on Tuesday,
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  no One for tomorrow. Is this a message that you took, Maxwell?
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  It's not my handwriting, and I don't know who are
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  is McCauley. So when it says miss Maxwell in the line,
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  there is that you calling for mister Epstein, mister Pagliuca
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  objection to the Form and the Foundation. Maxwell, I didn't
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  write it. I don't know when this message was taken.
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  I don't even know what it's referring to, and I
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  don't know what my name is doing on that message.
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  Pad McCauley, I know you said you only took them
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  a few times. Do you have a recollection of taking
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  messages of females who would call the house to indicate
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  whether or not they were coming over Pagliuca Objection to
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  the Form and the Foundation? Maxwell, give me a date
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  range McCauley on seven nine four. Maxwell, how would I
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  know if I'm in Palm Beach? Most likely not McCauley.
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  I'm asking you if you have a recollection of taking
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  messages for girls who would call the house Maxwell, girls, McCauley,
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  females who would call the house Maxwell over the age
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  of eighteen. McCauley, redacted is fifteen. Maxwell, I don't know
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  who redacted is, so I can't testify anything to redacted McCauley,
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  your name is on the message, Maxwell, I didn't put
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  it there, and I don't know what it's doing there. McCauley,
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  so your testimony is you didn't take this message. Maxwell,
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  I obviously didn't take the message. It's signed by somebody
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  are it's not my handwriting. We don't know if I'm
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  in Palm Beach. McCauley, did you arrange for redacted to
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  have his friend redacted come over on Tuesday of this week? Maxwell,
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  I don't know who a redact it is, so it
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  would be hard for me to arrange anything with someone
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  I don't know. McCauley, Why is your name reflected on
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  this message pad? Mister Pagliuca objection to the form and
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  the foundation, Maxwell, I have no idea. You would have
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  to ask whoever took the message. McCauley. Did you, in
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  the course of your work regularly take messages for Jeffrey Epstein? Maxwell,
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  I already testified I hardly ever did. McCauley, would you,
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  in the course of your work regularly set up appointments
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  for females to come over and give massages for Jeffrey Epstein.
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  Mister Pakliuka objection to the form and the Foundation. Maxwell,
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  can you specify females you mean adults over the age
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  of eighteen? McCauley, did you regularly set up for Jeffrey
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  Epstein adults over the age of eighteen to come from massages? Maxwell?
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  I didn't regularly do that, No, McCauley. Would you take
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  messages with the respect of females over the age of
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  eighteen to come over for a massage? Maxwell? I already testified,
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  I hardly ever did take messages, McCauley, But would you, Maxwell?
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  I already testified I hardly ever to this. McCauley interrupts her.
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  I know hardly ever, But did you Maxwell? Over the
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  course of time, it is possible I may have taken
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  a couple. I have no recollection. I hardly ever did,
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  and I did so irregularly that it would be hard
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  for me to pinpoint. McCauley, did you ever take a
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  message for a female under the age of eighteen to
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  come over for a massage for any other reason to
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  be with Jeffrey Epstein? Mister Pagliuca objection to the form
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  and the foundation. Maxwell, I hardly ever took a message.
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  I have absolutely no way of knowing. Maybe one of
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  my friend's daughters called to say they were coming to
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  visit me. I have never taken messages. I don't know
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  about how I would possibly know if somebody I spoke
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  to one or two times that I took a message,
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  is how old they would be. But I have never
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  taken a message where I was aware of it anything
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  being under the age of eighteen, and I probably took
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  it so infrequently it would be impossible. McCauley. Can you
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  turn to redacted? It should be the next page. Maxwell,
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  Uh huh, McCauley. Do you see at the top it
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  says for mister j eleven eight oh four, and then
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  the name is redacted. It says I have a female forum.
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  Why would a minor be calling Jeffrey to say they
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  have a female forum? Do you know, mister Pagliuca objection
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  to the form and the foundation? Maxwell, First of all,
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  I don't know that's a minor. I don't know who
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  took the message. McCauley, I will represent to you these
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  are police reports and miner's names have to be redacted
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  for privacy purposes. Pagliuca objection to the form and the foundation. McCauley,
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  do you know why a minor child would be calling
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  Jeffrey and leaving a message to say, quote, I have
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  a female forum, mister Pakliuka, objection to the form and
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  the foundation. Maxwell, I can't testify anything about this message.
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  I don't know anything about it. McCauley. I'm going to
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  direct your attention to the next page redacted. If you
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  look at the bottom left, you are going to see
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  a message for Jeffrey from redacted. It says she doesn't
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  have a number and left a message that she called.
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  Do you know who redacted is? Maxwell? I do not, McCauley.
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  Do you know that redacted was thirteen at the time
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  she placed this call to Jeffrey Maxwell, I don't know
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  who redacted is. McCauley. Would Jeffrey regularly have thirteen year
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  old's call and leave messages? Mister Pagliuca, objection to the
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  forum and the foundation? Maxwell, how would I possibly? These
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  were messages taken when I was not at the house,
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  and I have no idea who they are now, how
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  old they are, nor anything. McCauley, how do you know
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  you weren't at the house on this day? Maxwell, I
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  was hardly at the house In two thousand and five, McCauley.
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  So you could have been there, You just don't know
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  Maxwell in the five days, I might have been there
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  in two thousand and five. I suppose it's possible, but
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  it's unlikely. Mister Pagliuca. Do you know why this isn't redacted?
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  If you were representing all the names of people who
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  are underage who have been redacted from these records. Ms McCauley,
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  I think it was. My assumption is it was a
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  miss by the police department. McCauley. I will direct your
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  attention to redacted, so you will skip the page and
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  go back. It's the final page and the message pads
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  and you will see on the top left for Jeffrey
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  on sixty one, two thousand and five from redacted with
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  a phone number. It says, quote, he was a teacher
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  for you to teach you how to speak Russian. She
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  is two times eight years old, not blonde. Lessons are
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  free and you can have your first today if you call.
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  So what do you think that we're talking about? There?
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  Just to interject, probably not talking about somebody coming over
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  to play, you know Patty cakes? Right? Do you know
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  whether redacted sent a Russian girl that was sixteen years
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  old over to Jeffrey Epstein's home. Mister Pagliuka objection to
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  the form and the foundation. Maxwell, I do not know. McCauley,
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  did you ever observe a Russian girl that was sixteen
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  years old come to Jeffrey Epstein's home? Maxwell, I am
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  not aware of any sixteen year old Russian girl that
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  I can recall in Jeffrey Epstein's homes. McCauley, do you
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  know whether Jeffrey Epstein had sex with a sixteen year
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  old Russian girl? Mister Pagliuka objection to the form and
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  the foundation, Maxwell, I do not know. They take a
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  quick break here and then they get back at one
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  twenty one pm and the questioning starts right away, McCauley,
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  Miss Maxwell, before the break, we were talking about and
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  I think it's one of the exhibits that's marked in
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  front of you. I'm not sure of the number, but
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  the police report that I showed you earlier today. Now
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  that you have knowledge of the police report and the
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  criminal investigation with respect to Jeffrey Epstein, do you believe
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  that Jeffrey Epstein used any minor children. Mister Pagliuka objection
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  to the form and the Foundation. Maxwell, can you repeat
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  the question please and break it down so it's more understandable. McCauley.
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  Now that you have the police report, and I showed
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  you this morning that you had an opportunity to look
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  at it, Maxwell, you gave it to me. I didn't
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  look at it. McCauley, the question that I asked you
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  about the police report, you were aware that there is
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  a police report. Maxwell, I'm aware that there's a police report. McCauley,
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  So you're aware there was a criminal investigation of Jeffrey Maxwell,
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  I'm aware that there was McCauley. Now that you were
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  aware of those two things, and having talked to Jeffrey Epstein,
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  do you believe Jeffrey Epstein sexually abused miners? Mister Pagliuca
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  objection to the form and the Foundation? Maxwell, can you
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  reask the second part of that question please, McCauley. Sure,
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  these two documents we were talking about, the document and
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  the investigation you said you were aware of, and after
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  having talked to Jeffrey Epstein, do you believe Jeffrey Epstein
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  sexually abused miners? Mister Pagliuka objection to the form and foundation. Maxwell,
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  what do you mean I talked to Jeffrey. You need
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  to break the question down further, McCauley. So you have
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  the police report, Maxwell, I do, McCauley, and you're aware
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  of the criminal investigation. Maxwell, I am McCauley. Let's take
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  those two things. After knowing those two things, do you
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  believe that Jeffrey Epstein abused minor children? Mister Pakliuka objection
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  to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, can you explain
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  what you mean by the question? Actually, McCauley, I think
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  the question speaks for itself. I'll try again, though, I
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  will say it one more time because I want you
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  to be able to understand it, knowing that you have
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  a police report here and knowing about the criminal investigation.
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  Do you believe that Jeffrey Epstein sexually abused miners? Mister Pakliuka,
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  same objection. Maxwell, I know what you put in front
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  of me, and I know what I read. I'm asking
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  what you believe. Do you believe Jeffrey Epstein sexually abused miners? Maxwell?
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  I can only tell you what I read and what
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  you showed me. McCauley, I'm asking what you believe from
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  your own belief Do you believe that Jeffrey Epstein abused miners. Maxwell,
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  I can only go from what I know personally and
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  what I know personally about what Virginia's lie is talked about.
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  She is the only person I know that actually claimed that,
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  and I can say with certitude that everything Virginia said
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  was a lie. McCauley, you're aware that Jeffrey Epstein was
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  sentenced for sexual abuse? Are you aware of that? Mister
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  Pagliuca objection to the form and Foundation. McCauley, are you
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  aware that Jeffrey Epstein served time for sexual abuse of
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  a minor? Pagliuka objection to the Foreman Foundation. Maxwell, I
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  don't believe that's what he was sentenced for, actually, McCauley,
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  So you don't know that Jeffrey Epstein served time for
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  a sexually abusing a minor. Mister Pagliuca objection to the
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  Foreman Foundation, Maxwell, I don't believe that what he was
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  sentenced for. McCauley. Do you know that Jeffrey Epstein was
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  convicted for a procuring a minor for prostitution? Mister Pagliuca
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  objection to the form and Foundation. Maxwell, I don't know
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  exactly what he was convicted of. I don't know that
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  he was convicted. I know that he spent time in jail. McCauley,
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  do you know that he spent time in jail related
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  to an issue with a minor child? Mister Pagliuka objection
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  to the Foreman Foundation. Maxwell, I did not think I
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  know that, McCauley, what did you think that he was
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  spending time in jail for? Maxwell? I only know he
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  went to jail for it was alleged that he hired
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  that had an underage prostitute. McCauley, So, knowing that, do
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  you believe that Jeffrey Epstein sexually abused miners? Mister Pagliuca
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  objection to the Forum and the Foundation. Maxwell, I can
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  only tell you what he went to jail for. McCauley.
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  I'm asking what you believe. I'm not asking what he
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  went to jail for. I'm asking for your belief. Maxwell,
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  I cannot testify to what I believe. I can only
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  say what I have seen in the reports, and I
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  know he went to jail. McCauley, you can testify to
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  what you believe. Do you believe to this? Maxwell cuts
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  her off. I can only testify McCauley here, returns the favor.
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  Let me finish the question, so the record is clear.
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  Do you believe Jeffrey Epstein's sexually abused miners? Mister Pagliuca
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  objection to the form and the foundation. McCauley, you can answer, Maxwell,
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  I can only testify to what I know. I know
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  that Virginia is a liar, and I know that what
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  she testified to is a lie. So I can only
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  testify to what I know to be a falsehood, and
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  half those falsehoods are enormous, and so I can only
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  categorically deny everything she has said, and that is the
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  only thing I can talk about, because I have no
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  knowledge of anything else. McCauley, I'm not asking about Virginia.
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  I'm asking whether you believe that Jeffrey Epstein sexually abused miners.
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  Maxwell again, I repeat, I can only go on what
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  I know, and what I know is a falsehood based
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  on what Virginia said. McCauley, do you believe Jeffrey Epstein
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  sexually abused miners? Maxwell? Again, I repeat, Virginia is a liar,
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  and based on Virginia's stories, that is what she lied.
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  And I can only then talk about what you've showed
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  me in the police reports, and I know he went
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  to jail. McCauley, do you believe that Jeffrey Epstein sexually
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  abused miners? I'm asking about your belief Maxwell again, I
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  just repeat, I can only go My belief is that
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  Virginia is a liar. McCauley. What is that belief? Maxwell?
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  She is an absolute liar, and everything she said is
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  a lie, and therefore everything that stems from it that
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  is a lie. McCauley. Do you believe that Jeffrey Epstein
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  sexually abused miners? Maxwell? Again? Can we move on from here? McCauley. No,
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  you're going to answer the question Maxwell, I have already McCauley. No,
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  you have not, Maxwell, I have. McCauley, do you believe
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  Jeffrey Epstein sexually abused miners? Maxwell? Again, I repeat. The
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  only person I know who has talked about these things
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  that I have personal was personally present, was Virginia. And
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  I can only talk to Virginia and that she is
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  a liar. McCauley's setting aside Virginia, take her out of
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  the picture. It's my question, Maxwell, we are here today
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  because of Virginia and her lies, Because this is a
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  defamation suit. McCauley, setting aside Virginia. Do you believe Jeffrey
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  Epstein sexually abuse miners? Maxwell? I cannot set aside Virginia
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  because that's why we are here, and this is the
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  only reason I am sitting here in this room. And
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  I will not set her aside. And I cannot comment
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  about anything else except her, because she is the only
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  person I actually know about. McCauley, are you refusing to
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  answer the question, Maxwell, I am not refusing to answer
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  the question. I can only testify about Virginia, who is
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  an absolute total liar, and you all know she is.
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  She lied about her age, you know she lied about
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  absolutely everything. So I can only go on what I
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  know liar, and she is a liar, an exaggerator, a fantasist,
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  an absolutely true, terrible person. McCauley, I want you to
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  listen very carefully. I'm asking you to set aside Virginia Maxwell.
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  I can't set aside Virginia. McCauley. I am asking you
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  to do that for the purposes of this question. Pagliuca,
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  she doesn't have to McCauley. She can refuse to answer
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  the question. Maxwell. I'm not refusing to answer the question. McCauley,
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  you are refusing My question has nothing to do with Virginia.
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  Let me make the record here. My question has nothing
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  to do with Virginia. I want it to be clear
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  for the court. My question has nothing to do with Virginia.
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  What I'm asking is whether you believe Jeffrey Epstein abused miners.
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  Mister Pagliuca, I object to the form you made your record.
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  She answered the question. A fair reading of her answer
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  is she doesn't have a belief because she doesn't have
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  a personal knowledge. McCauley, Now you are testifying for the witness.
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  Let her answer the question. Pagliuka, it's a fair answer
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  to the question. Maxwell, again, I testified. My only personal
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  knowledge concerns Virginia, and everything Virginia has said is an
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  absolute lie, which is why we were here today. If
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  you are asking me to testify about things I have
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  no knowledge of other than the police report that you
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  showed me, I am not in a position to make
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  a statement based on that because you are asking me
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  to speculate, and I cannot speculate. McCauley, I'm asking about
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  your belief. I'm not asking you to speculate at all.
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  I'm asking what you believe. Maxwell. You're asking me to speculate,
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  and I won't speculate. McCauley. I am not asking you
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  to speculate. I am asking what you believe. Pagliuka. She
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  answered the question, and we can move on. McCauley. She
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  has not answered the question. Pagliuka, we are not going
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  to engage in this debate. She answered the question. If
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  you want a market to move to compel an answer
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  to the question, have at it, okay, McCauley, Miss Maxwell,
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  is it your belief that Jeffrey Epstein interacted sexually with minors? Maxwell, Again,
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  you were asking me the same type of question exactly,
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  but with different language. Again, my only knowledge of somebody
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  who claims these things that I have personal knowledge of
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  is Virginia. Virginia is an absolute liar, and everything she
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  has said is a lie. Therefore, based on those lies,
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  I cannot speculate on what anybody else did or didn't do,
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  because if Virginia is the example of what that story is,
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  and everything she said is false, so everything that leads
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  from that is also false. McCauley. So the other thirty
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  minor children in the police report are also telling lies
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  about being sexually abused during massages with mister Epstein. Mister Pagliuca,
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  objection to the form and foundation counsel. Can you show
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  me in these police reports who the thirty miners are McCauley,
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  I'm asking my question. Pagliuka. You're making a representation about numbers.
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  You are making a representation on the record about what
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  people said or didn't say. We have no knowledge about that.
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  These are all redacted records, so these are bad questions.
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  They don't lead to any admissible evidence. It is only
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  being propounded to the witness to harrasser. So we are
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  done with these questions. McCauley. You're done, Pagliuka. Yes, My
• 21:12
  question is are you aware that Jeffrey Epstein was convicted
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  of having relationships with a minor child? Pagliuka once again
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  interjects she answered that question already. McCauley, I'm getting to
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  my next question. Pagliuka, ask your next question. Don't keep
• 21:27
  asking the same question. McCauley. You are now shouting. I
• 21:30
  want the record to reflect that you are interrupting the deposition.
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  I ask you to calm down, take a deep breath,
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  and please let me ask my questions. Pagliuka, your behavior
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  is inappropriate. McCauley, I'll ask my question again, do you
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  believe that Jeffrey Epstein interacted its actually with minors? Maxwell? Again,
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  I go back to this. My only actual knowledge is
• 21:52
  with Virginia, and Virginia is a liar, so I can
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  only talk about what Virginia's story, and as I've said before,
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  and there are so many exams, samples, I mean, thousands
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  of examples of her lies, that that is the only
• 22:04
  thing I can talk about McAuley, based on that, you
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  believe that Jeffrey Epstein sexually abused miners. Maxwell Again, as
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  I said, I'm only talking to what I know. I
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  can only talk to Virginia McCauley. So it is your
• 22:19
  belief that Jeffrey Epstein did not sexually abuse miners. Maxwell again,
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  I can only talk on what I know, and I
• 22:26
  know that Virginia is a liar and that what she
• 22:28
  said is a lie. So I can only testify to
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  what she accused. And you guys put in the press
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  for salacious purposes and whatever terrible, inappropriate, unethical and terrible
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  reasons you chose to do that about me, and I
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  can testify those are all lies, McCauley, not knocked off
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  of her perch? Do you know whether Jeffrey Epstein sexually
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  abused any minor children? Again, I only know one thousand
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  percent that Virginia is a liar. I can only talk
• 22:55
  to Virginia her lies, and you're inappropriate, unethical, really unattractive,
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  terrible use of her and the way that you have
• 23:03
  abused the system, used the press for purposes that are unethical, inappropriate,
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  and appalling. McCauley. Do you believe that Jeffrey Epstein use
• 23:11
  massages to lure miners to have sex with them? Maxwell? Again,
• 23:16
  that is Virginia's testimony, which is a lie, McCauley. But
• 23:19
  do you believe it? Maxwell? Again, I refer back to
• 23:22
  Virginia McCauley. I'm asking whether you believe it or not. Maxwell.
• 23:26
  I can only go with what I know, and I
• 23:28
  know that Virginia is a liar, and therefore that's a lie. McCauley,
• 23:33
  So you don't believe that? Maxwell? Again, I said that
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  Virginia is a liar. McCauley. Are you aware that Jeffrey
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  Epstein is a registered sex offender? Maxwell? I am, McCauley.
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  Are you aware that Jeffrey Epstein paid considerable amounts of
• 23:47
  money to settle lawsuits with minor children that he had
• 23:50
  sexual contact with. Mister Pagliuca objection to the form and
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  the foundation. Maxwell, I have no knowledge of those issues, McCauley.
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  Why did you continue to maintain contact with Jeffrey Epstein
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  after he pled guilty? Maxwell, I'm a very loyal person,
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  and Jeffrey was very good to me when my father
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  passed away, and I believe that you need to be
• 24:10
  a good friend in people's hour of need. And I
• 24:13
  felt that it was very thoughtful, nice thing for me
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  to do to help him in a very limited fashion,
• 24:18
  which was helping if he had any issues with his homes.
• 24:22
  In terms of the staffing issues, it was very very minor,
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  but I felt it was thoughtful in somebody's hour of need.
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  Did he continue to pay you during that time period? Maxwell?
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  I was paid a little? Manager, You were paid? Maxwell? Yes, manager.
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  When you say a little, what did you mean by that? Maxwell?
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  I don't recall the exact amount, McCauley. So in two
• 24:43
  thousand and nine you left him, What were you being paid? Maxwell?
• 24:47
  I just told you I don't recall, McCauley, were you
• 24:51
  being paid one hundred grand Maxwell, I just don't you.
• 24:54
  I don't recall, McCauley. Were you paid over a million dollars? Maxwell?
• 24:58
  I think I would remember over a a million. So
• 25:00
  it was under a million, Maxwell, It was under a
• 25:03
  million dollars McCauley. Was it over five hundred thousand? Maxwell?
• 25:07
  I just told you it was under five hundred It
• 25:09
  was an amount of money less than five hundred thousand dollars,
• 25:12
  less than a million dollars, And I did it out
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  of thoughtfulness and consideration for somebody who was in trouble. McCauley,
• 25:18
  did you have an attorney to consult with during the
• 25:21
  criminal investigation of Jeffrey Epstein? Maxwell, I don't believe I did.
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  All right, folks, we're gonna wrap up this episode here
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  and in the next episode we'll pick up where we
• 25:32
  left off. All of the information that goes with this
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