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Disruptions at Coachella & Public Transportations | Episode 37 · Propaganda

• 0:02
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks for tuning in.
• 0:03
  SPEAKER_00: This is Mick and Jacob, and you're listening to Propaganda.
• 0:06
  SPEAKER_00: So I want everyone for a second to think of think of a stereotype, okay?
• 0:12
  SPEAKER_00: Think of a, if you will, just for one moment, think of a racial stereotype that comes to mind.
• 0:16
  SPEAKER_00: Anything that comes to mind.
• 0:17
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_00: There's a lot of races.
• 0:19
  SPEAKER_00: You can think about a lot of things, okay?
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_00: So after you've thought on this for a second, what came to mind?
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_00: Was it I have a question, just theoretical.
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_00: Is one of the stereotypes that came to mind a loud white woman being disruptive and annoying and loud on public transportation?
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_00: Did that come to mind for anyone?
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_01: Not me.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_00: No, okay.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_00: So we don't generally think of white women being the loud, fat, annoying, like just degrading public transport.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_00: We don't normally think of that.
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_00: But apparently in Sweden, that's their problem.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_00: Or that's what the ad that they released would have you believe.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_00: So Sweden released an ad about their public transport, and it talks about being, you know, annoying, and you gotta be respectful and try to be quiet on public transport and whatever, don't disrupt the people around you and their space and whatever.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, valid.
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_00: So the ad features a young black man wearing headphones, and he's on his phone, just minding his own business.
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_00: Very nice, very polite.
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_00: He's minding his own business on his headphones.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_00: And next to him is this loud, annoying, abrasive, slightly older white woman.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_00: She's on her phone, laughing, smiling, scrolling on her reels, whatever, you know, causing a scene on the bus.
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_00: And this black guy's like, takes off his headphone.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_00: What is that?
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_00: What am I hearing?
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_00: Is that one of those loud, annoying white women that are always disrupting public transport?
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_00: Is that one of them again?
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, he turns around and is left, and it's her.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_00: Sure enough.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_00: It's her.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know why.
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_00: If this doesn't like resonate with you, I don't know what's wrong.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_00: But like, usually, and we don't want to be racist and we don't want to assume things, but usually that's not how it goes.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_00: Usually it's the other way.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_00: And it's not all black people, and it's not all white people.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_00: There are plenty of annoying white people on public transport too, right?
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_00: Plenty.
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_00: I totally agree.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_00: It's funny that Sweden releases an ad though, where the loud, annoying person is the white lady, and the calm, professional, polite, you know, whatever, the chill guy is the black guy with the headphones.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_00: Looking around, like, do you guys do you guys hear this loud lady next to me?
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_00: Like, what you guys hearing this?
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_00: Like, that's not how it goes.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_00: It's usually not how it goes.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes, sometimes it works that way.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_00: Um, a lot of um most of the time, most of the time it doesn't.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_00: And we all know this, we can all observe it.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_00: And it doesn't mean it's true about everyone, but I'd like to think that it's uh that this ad is not very realistic.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_00: Realistic, yeah.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't show the representation of how we view the world, how most people see the world.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_01: So what most people expect.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_00: I just thought that was funny, and I know it's it's not really a bit, but I it is funny, but it's it has some truth to it too.
• 3:09
  SPEAKER_01: This is something I've noticed in advertising and even TV shows, movies, everything, just media in general, I've noticed that the ethnic person, the black person, the brown person, the Asian, they're never the bad guy.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_01: It's always the white person that has suddenly become the bad guy, like in this ad.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_00: In every example.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_01: In every example, almost always.
• 3:36
  SPEAKER_01: If they have like this ad, if they have a character that needs to be played, that's a bad example, they're trying to get a point of cross, a point across, it's almost always the white, straight male that plays it.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_01: Almost always.
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they're the protagonist.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_01: The white woman.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they're always the evil guy in the story.
• 3:57
  SPEAKER_00: And it's in not to be your like boomer uncle that watches Fox News, that's like, oh, they there's never white people in commercials.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, but it's true.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_00: There are not white people in commercials, and also if they are in commercials, they're the loudest, annoying, disruptive, abusive, whatever, degrading, racist people in the commercial.
• 4:17
  SPEAKER_00: So it's just funny, like, even even in Europe, you know, even in a just a whatever, regular public transportation government ad, that that's how they're showcased.
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_00: So it's not usually accurate either, but we have to pretend it is.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_00: And I don't know, I'm kind of sick of it being like there's never any, you want to talk about representation.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_00: There's never any white representation in commercials or ads or whatever or posts or anything unless it's in a negative role.
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's kind of funny.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know why stereotypes became a bad thing, too.
• 4:54
  unknown: Yeah.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know why it's a bad thing to say that one race can be super loud and obnoxious.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_01: I thought, isn't that something to be proud of?
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_01: You guys are the center of attention all the time.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, if that's part of your culture, you should be proud of it.
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, the the stereotype thing has always it's always existed throughout all of human history in every culture around the world.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_00: The outsiders have had stereotypes, the classes have had stereotypes, the genders, men and women have had stereotypes, kids, generations, elders, they've all had stereotypes.
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_00: It's a very common thing.
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_00: Um sometimes it's more known and talked about in your community or your culture or whatever, and sometimes it's more whatever, private and individualistic, and you're just thinking about it in your head and you notice it something.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_00: So um, but we don't have to pretend like stereotypes don't exist, they obviously do exist.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um, it's just really in your face when the stereotype seems to be the opposite of what's being portrayed.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_00: Now, switching stories, but also aligning a lot more with the stereotype that you would probably imagine.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_00: Do you remember when Irina Zarutska got stabbed in the neck on the light rail in Charlotte?
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_00: She got brutally murdered by a they said he was homeless, a homeless black man riding the train behind her.
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_00: And he stands up, stabs her in the neck, mumbles some stuff, and then walks out and just lets her bleed out to death.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_01: Mumbles racist stuff.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he says, I he said, I got that white bee.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so kind of sounds to me like a hate crime.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_00: Kind of sounds to me like that's racially motivated.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know about anyone else.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_00: Um but that's actually a lot, that's actually a way more realistic stereotype than a white lady being loud, obnoxious, disrupting the young black polite teen.
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and it's not all black people, it's not all white people, we know that, but and it's dumb to even say that, but it's it's true.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, when you were to think of that stereotype that I asked you at the start of the episode, this probably came to mind a lot faster than a white lady being rude on public transportation.
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_00: So DeCarlos Brown Jr., the guy, the monster, the homeless, crazed dude who killed the Rena Zarutska.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_00: He was evaluated on December 29th at Central Regional Hospital, and the subsec the subsequent report determined that he was not competent to stand trial.
• 7:19
  SPEAKER_00: So he's so violent and he's so crazy that he just kills random people, even though he kind of went after a white girl, it seems like.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_00: Seems like that was his motivation after the death, at least.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_00: Um, he's incompetent to stand trial.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, he's deemed incapable to proceed on the state murder charges that he was charged with.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_00: So just like that.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_00: Just like that, another judge in a left-wing radical city let out another black man to go and commit more crimes after this, because he will.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_00: You know why we know he will?
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_00: Because this wasn't the second time or the third time or the tenth time.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_00: He had been arrested 14 times before on charges.
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_00: So before he killed her in his roots gone.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_00: So he's kind of a repeat offender.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_00: We know what someone like him will do.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_00: A career criminal, that's what they do.
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_00: Especially when, I don't know, there's never been any punishment or backlash.
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_00: And you've never been held accountable.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_01: I don't really see a change of heart in his future anytime soon.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_00: So what do you know?
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_00: He's incapable to proceed with the trial and the hearing, and I don't know, he just he's just he's too crazy, he's too homeless, he's too dumb, he's too poor thing.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_01: What did he get?
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_00: Nothing.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_01: Like they're just letting him No, that he can't be on trial.
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_01: Wait, is Lee just let him out like normal?
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, he's on.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_01: Like nothing happened.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_00: He's incapable to proceed with the charges.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_00: They cannot charge him with anything because he's evaluated and he was determined that he is not competent.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_01: They don't put him like in like a like a mental ward or anything.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_00: It's just jails.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if they're gonna follow up.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_00: This is just the what the current reports are saying.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if they'll follow up and do something like that with him or mandate something with him, but he will not spend any jail time for the murder of Zarina if I know I mess up her name.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_00: Irina Zarutska.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_01: Irina Zarutsky.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_00: He will not get any jail time for the murder of Irina Zarutka.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_00: Even though it's all on film, even though everyone saw it happen.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_00: My thing is if he's incompetent to stand trial for a murder, then he's incompetent to be let out to the public again.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_00: To live in society.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_00: To commit another crime.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_01: What I actually didn't know that.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_01: That's insane.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_00: And unless he has some sort of disability or mental issue or whatever, what's wrong with him?
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_00: Why is he incompetent to stand trial?
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_00: Is he too dumb?
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_00: Is he too is his IQ too low?
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_00: That's been an excuse in other trials.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_00: Where they said, no, his IQ is too low.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_00: He can't be can't be captured to stand for trial.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_00: Well, if his IQ is too low to be held accountable for his actions, then maybe he shouldn't be allowed into polite society.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe he should be locked up.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe he should be in a mental asylum or something something like that.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_00: Because obviously he's not benefiting society.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_00: He's actually a threat to himself and everyone else around him.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_01: So who was the judge?
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_00: We should look into that.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_01: This says the judge involved in the case of Irena Zarutska's murderer is magistrate Judge Terra Teresa Stokes.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_01: She released a suspect to Carlos Brown Jr.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_00: His lawyer said that he'll remain in federal custody while the federal murder charge is pending.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_00: So it's unclear if that's he's there until there's another trial, or he's just there until the incompetent the unincompetent to stand trial whatever goes through or is acknowledged.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_00: It's not clear.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_01: Here she is.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so what a left-wing progressive young black woman is his judge.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_00: So she lets him go.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_01: Uh he was released by magistrate judge Teresa Stokes on a promise that he would return to court.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_01: Alright, cool.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm reading Independent Centennial.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_01: Awesome.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_01: Awesome.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_01: That makes me so happy.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_01: Great.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_01: Fantastic.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_00: I would stay away from Charlotte.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_00: I'd stay away from any major city if you can't.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_00: Um these people are dangerous.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know like what, especially once you've been arrested and charged with things multiple times before, you shouldn't be back, you shouldn't be allowed back onto the streets.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_00: It just it's on purpose.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, it's an agenda.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_00: It's a there's a reason for it.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_01: And and I don't care.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_01: It is because he was black and it is it's because she was white.
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_01: If this would have been flipped, and you know it, we all know it, this would have been the second George Floyd.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_01: This would have been a completely different story.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_01: And I hate to bring race into it, but it is about race because of what he said.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_01: That white bee.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_01: Is that not a hate crime?
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_01: If I if someone went and stabbed a a young black girl on a train and the man was white and he said, Glad I got that black bee, um, uh he would he would get the death sentence.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_01: After if even if he had the same rap sheet as DeCarlos Brown Jr., I he wouldn't be found, whatever, incapable to proceed with the hearing.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_00: You know, that's not that wouldn't be on the table for him.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_00: It would be like a lifelong sentence or whatever else they could throw at him.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_01: So And as it should be, he committed a couple of justice.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_01: He did, he murdered someone, he took a life.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_01: He should be in jail, if not forever, for a very, very, very long time.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_00: But what we're seeing now is the lack of justice.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's purposeful too.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_00: It's on it's in your face, it's on purpose, and like we're saying, it's to serve an agenda.
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_01: So all right, so stay away from the Charlotte area from for a while at least.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_01: Jeez.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_01: I want to talk about Coachella.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_01: The first weekend just happened this past weekend.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_01: And honestly, I've never had I've never had FOMO like this.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_01: It kind of looked like it was fun this year.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_01: And I know a lot of people who disagree with me.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_01: It looked like it'd be miserable, camping in the heat, whatever.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_01: I don't care.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's like it looked, it looked like a kind of a fun time.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, the lineup was everyone's glazing it this year.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_01: That's why good because Sabrina Carpenter performed, okay?
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_01: And she had a fun concert, looked great.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_01: But the takeaway from it is that she made fun of someone's culture.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_01: Oh no, oh great.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_01: So what happened was she's on stage, I think she's playing the piano.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_01: Um, she's doing some crowd work, interacting with the crowd, and someone lets out this like I don't know, some like, some like yell, okay.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_01: And she Sabrina goes, What did I just hear someone yodel?
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_01: Like, well, what was what was that?
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_01: And the person that did it was like, the person that did it does it again.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_01: That's my that's my culture.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_01: She goes, I don't like that.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_01: She goes, That was weird.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_01: I don't like that.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_01: And the person that did it was like, Are you serious?
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_01: That's my culture.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_01: That's my culture, that's my culture.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_01: And she's like, Don't do it again.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_01: And then now, guess what she's facing?
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, the death mob, the cancel culture mob.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_00: So now everyone She's never tried this one, but now she's begging for her career against the cancel mob.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_01: I hate you.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so now everyone's upset because she not only didn't recognize beautiful culture, but once she was told it was culture, she didn't immediately fold over and say, Oh, that's beautiful, amazing.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_01: Do it again for everyone to hear.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, she just carried on and said, Okay, don't do that again.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_01: That was weird.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_00: Everyone's saying it's like some Arabic um something.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_00: Some Arabic.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_01: And it was a pretty funny interaction.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_01: But what was even better was her apology afterwards.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_01: She tweeted this.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_01: She goes, My apologies.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't see this person with my eyes and couldn't hear clearly.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's valid.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_01: She's up on a stage, it's a giant crowd, there's a million things going on.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_01: She then goes, My reaction was pure confusion, sarcasm, and not ill-intended.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_01: Again, I think that's pretty fair.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_01: She goes, could have handled it better.
• 15:41
  unknown: Okay.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_01: Now I know what uh Zagruta?
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_01: That's what it's called.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_01: Zagruta.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_01: I don't even know if I'm saying that right.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_01: Now I know what a Zagruta is.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_01: I welcome all cheers and yodels from here on out.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_01: I absolutely adore this apology.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_01: I think I'm so it's refreshing to see.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_01: Like I don't like the, I don't think she should have apologized in the first place because it's it was whatever, a mistake.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_01: But that's what it was, a mistake.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_01: And she recognizes that.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_01: She goes, Oh, you know, my bad, I couldn't hear or I couldn't see clearly.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't really know what was going on.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_01: My I'm just sarcastic and I was just having some fun.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_01: I was doing a bit, you know, some crowd work, like she always does in every single concert.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_01: And she recognizes what it is.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_01: It's cool, moving on.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, do it from now on at every concert.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's and people are still upset because it wasn't this.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh, like tears.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_01: I'm so sorry.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_01: Like, how could I ever please?
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry, I can't stop.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and she didn't all of a sudden open a foundation to give to Arab, I don't know.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_00: Like LF U.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_00: Uh she says she felt confusion, which is actually the usual response when you come across a culture that's not yours?
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, not yours.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_00: Let's face it.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_00: Let's face it, it's not her culture.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_00: She doesn't care about it.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_00: It's not as good as the culture that she comes from.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_00: So, yeah, there would be some confusion.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_01: No, and she wouldn't know what it was either.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_01: They expect these celebrities to know everything and anything about every culture and to just, I don't know.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_00: It's kind of funny, just like the stereotype theme from before, it kind of shows that no, not all cultures are the same.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_00: No, they don't all provide the same things.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_00: No, not everyone likes them.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_00: It's like it just goes to show.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_00: Even Sabrina Carpenter, not knowing what it was, but it's a staple of someone else's culture.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_00: She didn't know.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_00: She didn't like it.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_00: I guess.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_01: Why is that so wrong to say?
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_00: It's crazy.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_01: It was funny.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_01: I thought it was a really funny interaction.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_00: The crowd didn't like hate it either when it happened.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_00: No, they all laughed.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_00: They were laughing about it.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_01: So well, they probably didn't hear it either.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_01: To be sure.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_00: They probably didn't hear the Zagroda.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, the famed Zagrota.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_00: Can we look up what that's from?
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, let's see.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_00: Who is responsible for the Zagroda?
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_01: Zuh.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_01: Gosh, I don't even know how to spell it.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, it's so racist.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, you butchered that.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_01: There's no results.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_01: Zagruda?
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_01: Zagruda.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_01: What is a Zagruda?
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_01: Everything popped up with Sabrina Carpenter.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_00: It's her face.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_00: Insensitive and Islamophobic.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, they're calling it Islamophobic.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my word.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_01: From okay, so this is an article from Prime Timer.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_01: I don't even know.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_01: From times long past, a sharp, trilling cry known as Zagruda, echoes through celebrations led by women in Arab regions spanning from North Africa into the Middle East, produced without instruments, the sound rises high, shaped by quick motions of the tongue.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_00: I thought it was an instrument.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_00: It sounded that amazing.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_00: I thought it was an instrument.
• 19:00
  unknown: Okay.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_00: This is crazy.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_00: Moments of collective joy.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_00: It's more than just a sound.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_00: Having been used constantly for hundreds of years by Arab cultures.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_00: Carries a weight of tradition.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_00: Huh.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_00: Well, it doesn't have much weight when she's doing it in the US to a white artist who sings girly pop music.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_00: Like I don't think she gets it.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think not her culture.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_01: When you go to a different country and when you do things from your culture, you will get weird stares and weird looks.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_01: Just like if I were to go to their country or North Africa, like it said, I and I just lived as I usually would in the United States.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sure I would get some things wrong.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sure I would get some stares.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_01: There are just different cultural norms.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_01: You would have some confusion everywhere.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_01: They would have some confusion everywhere.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_01: I would get weird stairs.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_01: I just would.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_01: I just would.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_01: So I of course she's confused.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_01: She doesn't know what the hell that is.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_01: No one does.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, I don't, I don't think she should have even apologized, but I liked that that response was just hey, I made a mistake.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't know what that was.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_01: My bad.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_00: She didn't even make a mistake.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_01: Like moving, like from their perspective, it's a mistake, right?
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_01: So she has to appeal.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, fine.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_01: It's a mistake.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_01: Moving on, though.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_01: Moving on.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_00: But it wasn't enough.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_01: Wasn't enough.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_01: Never will be enough.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_01: Just like if I were to do actual yodeling at an Arab concert.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sure they would be like, what is that?
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_01: What are you doing?
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_01: And that'd be a fair response.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 20:46
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