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Abby , 13, and Liberty, 14, "CATFISHED" by Online Perv Before Murder? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Is there finally a break
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Speaker 1: in the case and the murders of two little girls,
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Speaker 1: Abigail and Liberty, commonly known as the Delphi murders. In
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Speaker 1: the last hours, seemingly there is a brand new wrinkle
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Speaker 1: in the evidence. Take a listen to Max Lewis Fox
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Speaker 1: fifty nine hour cut seven. I think it's another piece
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Speaker 1: of the puzzle. You know what I mean, I truly do.
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Speaker 1: Libby's grandfather, Mike Patty, says he's cautiously optimistic that the
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Speaker 1: information Indiana State Police are looking for maybe just what
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Speaker 1: investigators need to find his granddaughter's killer. Not very often
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Speaker 1: they please come out and ask for the public's help. Well,
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Speaker 1: here's a place where somebody can step up and really help.
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Speaker 1: I sp set on Monday. They're looking for people who
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Speaker 1: had contact with a social media going by Anthony Schotz.
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Speaker 1: Investigators have refused to say how or if it's connected
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Speaker 1: to the Delphi murders. However, we've learned twenty seven year
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Speaker 1: old Keegan Kline was arrested shortly after the twenty seventeen
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Speaker 1: murders in connection to the fake account. He has not
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Speaker 1: been officially linked to the case. Regardless, Mike Patty wants
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Speaker 1: people to focus on what the police are actually looking for.
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Speaker 1: They're still seeking information on anybody who's made contact with
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Speaker 1: that account, you know, through any social media platform. What
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Speaker 1: does social media have to do with the murders of
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Speaker 1: two beautiful little girls thirteen year old Abbey fourteen year
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Speaker 1: old Libby in a very rural area Delphi. What does
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Speaker 1: this guy have to do with anything social media? His
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Speaker 1: name Anthony Kline, twenty seven years old. Well, take listen
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Speaker 1: to our cut six our friend West mcquait, box fifty nine.
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Speaker 1: Her neighbor told me federal agents and local police visited
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Speaker 1: just a couple of weeks ago looking for information about
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Speaker 1: this man, twenty vin year old Keegan Anthony Klein and
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Speaker 1: his father and asked a few questions. The whole parking lots,
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Speaker 1: so there is at least twelve cars there unmarked vehicles there,
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Speaker 1: all trucks and SUVs. They went in his house and
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Speaker 1: they took his dog. According to this probable cause Affid David,
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Speaker 1: State police detectives and FBI agents first went looking for
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Speaker 1: the man who made the social media post titled Anthony Shots.
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Speaker 1: The post included fake photos, not of himself, and the
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Speaker 1: user allegedly ash young girls for nude photos and offered
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Speaker 1: to meet them. This happened just twelve days after Abigail
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Speaker 1: Williams and Liberty German were found dead in a wooded
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Speaker 1: area of Delphi in Carroll County in February of twenty seventeen.
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Speaker 1: Court records quote Klein is telling investigators that he created
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Speaker 1: the Anthony Shots profile, and quote he received approximately one
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Speaker 1: hundred sexual pictures from underage girls. The Delphi investigators have
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Speaker 1: not tied Klin to the murders of Abbey and Libby
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Speaker 1: and have not answered why they are releasing this information. Now,
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Speaker 1: I've looked at the photo that this guy, twenty seven
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Speaker 1: year old Anthony Klein purportedly put out there to catfish
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Speaker 1: little girls. That means you're pretending to be one thing
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Speaker 1: to get attention, or to get money, or to make contact,
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Speaker 1: and you're not that thing. This photo kind of looks
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Speaker 1: like a really young Justin Bieber. You kind of look
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Speaker 1: like a young Justin Bieber to you, like maybe thirteen
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Speaker 1: fourteen year old boy, when in fact he's anything but that.
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Speaker 1: He looks a complete opposite of that. How does this
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Speaker 1: have anything to do with Abby and Liberty. I, Nancy Grace,
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Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us
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Speaker 1: here at Fox Nation in serious XM one eleven All
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Speaker 1: Star panel to make Sense of It Today. Wendy Patrick
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Speaker 1: joining us California prosecutor, author of Red Flags on Amazon.
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Speaker 1: Host of Today with doctor Wendy on kay C b Q.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall, Psychoanis to the Stars, joining us out
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Speaker 1: of la at Doctor Bethany Marshall dot Com, Starva new
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Speaker 1: Netflix hit Bleeding Empire. Professor Forensics, Jacksonal State University, author
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Speaker 1: of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon and Starva hit
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Speaker 1: series Body Bags with Joe Scott Morgan on iHeart but
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Speaker 1: First two. Max Lewis, you just heard his voice reporting
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Speaker 1: a he's our friend from Fox fifty nine in Indianapolis.
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Speaker 1: Max Lewis, thank you for being with us. I'm I'm
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Speaker 1: impressed with the investigation, and I am struck with the
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Speaker 1: possibility that Abby and Liberty may have been catfished, so
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Speaker 1: to speak, by this guy, Anthony Klein. And no, he
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Speaker 1: has not been named a suspect or a poy person
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Speaker 1: of interest in this case. But I can tell you
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Speaker 1: this all right. You don't have to be a felony
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Speaker 1: prosecutor like I was to know, when you've got twelve
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Speaker 1: un mark cars full of fads and your front yard,
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Speaker 1: you got a problem, Max Lewis, I mean a big one.
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Speaker 1: So what's happening? Yeah? Absolutely, I mean, you know, obviously,
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Speaker 1: like you said, ESP has not tied him to their murders,
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Speaker 1: the murders of Abby and Libby, but just a couple
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Speaker 1: of weeks before they release this new information, you know,
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Speaker 1: like that neighbor that my colleague ress spoke with, you know,
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Speaker 1: they had cars, they had were carrying out you know,
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Speaker 1: sort of evidence they had is carrying out evidence, go ahead, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: they were. You know, they removed It wasn't a whole
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Speaker 1: lot of stuff, but they did remove some things from
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Speaker 1: the house, including his dog. And that was sort of
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Speaker 1: the really peculiar, peculiar thing. You know, what does that
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Speaker 1: have to do with any of this? Was maybe that
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Speaker 1: dog you know, on the trail that day. Again, he
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Speaker 1: has not been tied to this case. We don't know
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Speaker 1: what connection that dog is. But you know, that's some
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Speaker 1: of the speculation that we have been seeing online, been hearing,
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Speaker 1: and so it makes a lot of questions what connection
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Speaker 1: does that have to this case. Take us hour cut three.
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Speaker 1: This as our friends at NBC knees. On February twenty fifth,
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Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, Indiana State Police, the FBI, and Peru Police
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Speaker 1: served as search warrant at a house in Peru where
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Speaker 1: Klein was living with his father. That's eleven days after
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Speaker 1: the bodies of Abby Williams and Libby German were found
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Speaker 1: about thirty seven miles away in Delfi. Investigators confiscated a
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Speaker 1: half dozen phones and electronic devices. Klin admitted in court
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Speaker 1: documents to using the Anthony shots profile to communicate with
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Speaker 1: underage girls and ask for sexual images. So I guess
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Speaker 1: the thinking is to doctor Bethany Marshall that a young
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Speaker 1: girl thirteen fourteen year old girl like Liberty or Abbey
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Speaker 1: would be more likely to meet up with mine. That's
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Speaker 1: a Justin Bieber look alike, like a fourteen year old
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Speaker 1: Justin Bieber as this guy really looks like And I'm
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Speaker 1: certainly not judging anybody's appearance, but the twenty seven year
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Speaker 1: old Anthony Klein looks a lot different from Justin Bieber. Okay,
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Speaker 1: go ahead, you know this the picture that he used
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Speaker 1: to catfish. I'm I'm not laughing because it's really funny.
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Speaker 1: I think it's the contrast is so startling. This picture
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Speaker 1: as a young police officer, he has a tattoo on
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Speaker 1: one side of his chest. He looks like a young
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Speaker 1: maybe like a Dean Martin, like a part of the
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Speaker 1: rat pack. What are you talking about the kid picture? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: the kid picture, like like Dean Martin. What are you
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Speaker 1: saying it looks like Dean Martin? No, No, I'm saying
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Speaker 1: like a youthful, like like what what are these these
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Speaker 1: superstars would have looked like when they were thirteen or
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Speaker 1: fourteen years old? Okay, you made a bat bath, you
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Speaker 1: white man. I'd like to I'd like to HDC to
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Speaker 1: our friend. It's called twenty twenty one. Okay, nobody knows
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Speaker 1: what Dean Martin looks like as a youth. As you say,
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Speaker 1: it's a fourteen you know what? Look at the picture,
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Speaker 1: Max Lewis, describe it, and I mean, compared to what
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Speaker 1: Dean Martin, Bethany dig deeper for Pete's sake, um, compared
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Speaker 1: to what Anthony Klein looks like? What? Yeah? What girl
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Speaker 1: is going to send a picture herself to Anthony Klein
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Speaker 1: or meet up with him nobody. No thirteen year old
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Speaker 1: girl's going to meet up with this guy unless he
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Speaker 1: pretends to be that guy. Yeah, that's right. And you
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Speaker 1: know the pictures that this guy use, Like you said,
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Speaker 1: I like the comparison. I mean, he looks like like
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Speaker 1: a Justin Bieber kind of looking guy that would be
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Speaker 1: appealing to some young girls obviously, And so those are
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Speaker 1: the pictures he used. I've seen reports he apparently this
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Speaker 1: is of a police officer. Actually he's a part time
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Speaker 1: model in Alaska. And you know, this poor guy sort
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Speaker 1: of got wrapped up into all of this just because
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Speaker 1: this Keegan Klein guy decided to use his pictures in this.
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Speaker 1: So feel bad for him, But you know those pictures
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Speaker 1: definitely grab your attation, right I same, you've looked at
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Speaker 1: the picture. Don't feel too bad for him. He's got
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Speaker 1: a lot going on right there. Time Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: On February twenty fifth, twenty seventeen, Indiana State Police, the FBI,
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Speaker 1: and Peru Police served the search warrant at a house
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Speaker 1: in Peru where Klein was living with his father. That's
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Speaker 1: eleven days after the bodies of Abby Williams and Libby
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Speaker 1: German were found about thirty seven miles away in Delphi
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Speaker 1: invest sigators confiscated a half dozen phones and electronic devices.
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Speaker 1: Klein admitted in court documents to using the Anthony Shots
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Speaker 1: profile to communicate with underage girls and ask for sexual images.
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Speaker 1: So Max Lewis joining me, investigative reporter with Fox fifty
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Speaker 1: nine joining us out of Indianapolis. Max that reporting we
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Speaker 1: just heard from NBC. That's February twenty fifth, two thousand
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Speaker 1: and seventeen, and that is when Klein was first busted
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Speaker 1: for catfishing. Is that right? Yeah, that's right. I mean,
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Speaker 1: it was just a little more than a week after
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Speaker 1: Abby and Libby were murdered and the police showed up
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Speaker 1: at his house. They confiscated a whole lot of phones.
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Speaker 1: He had several devices on him, according to the court documents,
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Speaker 1: and you know, they contained some of them didn't contain
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Speaker 1: images sexual images of girls. Some of them they weren't
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Speaker 1: able to necessarily peg their ages. But they took a
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Speaker 1: whole lot of these phones that he was questioned about it.
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Speaker 1: But he wasn't just arrested for this until August of
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Speaker 1: last year. And now this information coming out that he's
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Speaker 1: with the Delphi investigators looking into him as well. It's
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Speaker 1: sort of a big old mystery, and nobody really knows why.
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Speaker 1: In the Indiana State Police aren't saying why at this point.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut nine listen. Thirteen News
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Speaker 1: talked to the man whose photos were using that child
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Speaker 1: exploitation pace that involved Keegan Klein. Now, Klein is the
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Speaker 1: guide that State police is behind the Anthony Schott social
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Speaker 1: media PLAUP. Detectives in the Delphi murders investigation say that
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Speaker 1: profile caught their attention. Now, he also works as a model,
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Speaker 1: and we're not releasing his name to protect his identity,
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Speaker 1: but he told us that he didn't know that his
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Speaker 1: photos were stolen and that his images were the ones
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Speaker 1: being used to catfish young girls. He also works as
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Speaker 1: a police officer and told us quote, it's frustrating as
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Speaker 1: a police officer knowing that my photo was used for
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Speaker 1: so many heinous crimes and continues to be used as such.
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Speaker 1: He goes on to say, I feel incredibly helpless. I'd
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Speaker 1: love to be there when they find this guy so
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Speaker 1: I can throw the cuffs on him myself. Now, as
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Speaker 1: for Keegan Kline, he right now is in the Miami
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Speaker 1: County jail, and he's charged with crimes against children. He
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Speaker 1: has not been identified as a suspect or as a
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Speaker 1: person of interest in the Delphi case, but Indiana State
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Speaker 1: Police want to talk to anyone who may have interacted
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Speaker 1: with that faith Anthony Shots profile. What exactly is catfishing?
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Speaker 1: To Wendy Patrick, California Prosecutor, all, there are red flags
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Speaker 1: way in. Yeah, you know, Nancy. Modern criminals use the
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Speaker 1: Internet to lure innocent victims, but they have to find
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Speaker 1: the right bait. Catfishing schemes where you pretend to be
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Speaker 1: someone to get something. For example, you pretend to be
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Speaker 1: somebody needing help to get money, to get assistance, you
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Speaker 1: pretend to be somebody attracted of like Anthony Shots to
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Speaker 1: lure young rules to send you nude photographs. These schemes
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Speaker 1: take a lot of time and effort, and you wonder
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Speaker 1: whether some of that equipment, the phones, the devices that
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Speaker 1: were confiscated from the home, what more did they contain
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Speaker 1: that might lead us to know a little bit more
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Speaker 1: about why this man is in custody. And it would
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Speaker 1: not be the first time a young girl has been
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Speaker 1: quote catfished. Take a listen to our cut C eleven
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Speaker 1: This is Sarah Blake Morgan wb TV talking about a
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Speaker 1: little girl named Haley at Leas's father, Anthony Byrne, says
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Speaker 1: his sixteen year old vanished from her bedroom Sunday night.
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Speaker 1: My wife opened the door and she was not there.
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Speaker 1: She left a diary behind that, Anthony says, detailed a
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Speaker 1: plan to run away with a thirty two year old
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Speaker 1: she met online. He gradually wormed his way into her
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Speaker 1: good races. He coerced her to start listening to him
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Speaker 1: and not following our directions or Burne says, Hailey has
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Speaker 1: asked burgers and they've had behavioral issues with her before.
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Speaker 1: That is why he says they did everything to make
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Speaker 1: sure this wouldn't happen, but it did. We had tried
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Speaker 1: to limit it all social media for her at home, telephones, computers, etc.
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Speaker 1: And she still found ways around it. She would use
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Speaker 1: friends smartphones or the school library computers. Police are investigating,
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Speaker 1: but Burne says they don't have any real leads on
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Speaker 1: the man he believes took his daughter. There's no telling
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Speaker 1: who he is. He might not be thirty two, he
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Speaker 1: could be fifty five and running a human trafficking organization.
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Speaker 1: There's no talent Ah. And it's not just young girls,
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Speaker 1: little girls like Abby or Liberty and just thirteen and
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Speaker 1: fourteen that can be catfish. Take a listen to Diane
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Speaker 1: Stanish Our cat fifteen and My Whole Field News six Orlando.
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Speaker 1: I never thought I could fall in love with somebody
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Speaker 1: over the telephone, but for some reason, it just he
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Speaker 1: just said the right things to me. That's right. They've
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Speaker 1: never met, Diane Standish fell in love with a voice,
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Speaker 1: thank you, photographs and texts all adding up to a lie.
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Speaker 1: And it sounds like he set you up. She has
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Speaker 1: a paper trail of bank records, cash withdrawals from her
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Speaker 1: personal accounts, and bank deposits to Wells Fargo and other banks. Ironically,
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Speaker 1: he even sent her an iou it could be anybody anywhere.
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Speaker 1: I have no clue. Girls as young as twelve pat
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Speaker 1: fished on line. Take a listen to Our cut ten.
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Speaker 1: The Fed say the two met online when the girl
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Speaker 1: was only twelve, and prosecutors say this sheriff deputy would
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Speaker 1: manipulate and threaten her all the way from Texas. A
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Speaker 1: Texas sheriff deputy accused of cyberstocking a Wooster County teenager
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Speaker 1: through the popular video game Minecraft. According to the thirteen
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Speaker 1: page indictment unsealed Wednesday, the twenty five year old deputy
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Speaker 1: would refer to himself as Geno and Daddy, and the
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Speaker 1: miner as baby Girl. Prosecutors say the two met online
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Speaker 1: back in twenty fourteen, when the victim was twelve. Over
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Speaker 1: the years, authorities say the girls sent him hundreds of
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Speaker 1: explicit photos of herself. She's now seventeen and reported to
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Speaker 1: police this past spring. She believed the Texas deputy was
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Speaker 1: tracking her movements via social media, and he was allegedly
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Speaker 1: threatening to publish her explicit photos or rape her sister
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Speaker 1: if she didn't continue to send him nude pictures. You
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Speaker 1: were hearing our friends at WADH seven. That was Eric Kane,
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Speaker 1: So to you, Max Lewis, I want to get back
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Speaker 1: to the case at hand, the case in chief, the
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Speaker 1: murderers of thirteen and fourteen year old Liberty and Abbey.
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Speaker 1: Did I hear you say that the fans were carrying
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Speaker 1: out evidence and even took this guy, twenty seven year
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Speaker 1: old Anthony Klein's dog. Yeah, just a couple of just
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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago. They showed up at his
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Speaker 1: house in Peru. Which is just about thirty miles from
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Speaker 1: where from Delphi up in northern Indiana. We spoke to
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Speaker 1: a neighbor who said that there were just cars filling
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Speaker 1: the street where this guy lives with his dad. They
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Speaker 1: were looking for information on him and they ended up
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Speaker 1: taking his dog. No idea why that was or why
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Speaker 1: why they need his dog. Well, I've got an idea,
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Speaker 1: Max lewis something to do with dog hair with me,
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Speaker 1: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My
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Speaker 1: Fate on Amazon you can hear him yourself on Body
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Speaker 1: Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan Joe Scott, what do you think? Okay,
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Speaker 1: you know, back all the way back on the seventeenth
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Speaker 1: of February of twenty seventeen, do you remember what they said, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: They said that we had recovered we being the state police,
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Speaker 1: they released at that and we were very excited about this.
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Speaker 1: I remember they said they had recovered DNA that they
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Speaker 1: thought was tied back to the perpetrator from the bodies,
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Speaker 1: you know. And so this is eight days prior to
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Speaker 1: the initial contact with this fellow over in Peru, and
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Speaker 1: I'm wondering what the sourcing of this DNA is I
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Speaker 1: don't necessarily think that it means that the dog was
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Speaker 1: physically present at the scene, that that's what they're thinking about.
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Speaker 1: But let's just entertain me for a second. If you're
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Speaker 1: in dwelling a home with an animal, you're going to
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Speaker 1: contact their hair. You know, your dogs. You can look
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Speaker 1: down at your pants sometimes probably and you wear dark clothes,
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Speaker 1: you'll see that you have these hairs. Well, what if
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Speaker 1: he transferred hair from himself to the bodies and at
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Speaker 1: the morgue. One of the things that we do is
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Speaker 1: something called tape lifting. It's when we take a look
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Speaker 1: it's clear tape. It kind of looks like it's the
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Speaker 1: width of like standard duct tape, and we actually apply
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Speaker 1: the tape all over the body in various sections, and
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Speaker 1: we lift up everything that we can microscopically before we
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Speaker 1: ever touch the body in any other manner. So if
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Speaker 1: they got a hit on some kind of odd hair
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Speaker 1: that was there, they're going to want to compare that hair,
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Speaker 1: you know, relative to what they recover off the body
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Speaker 1: with something like a canine, you know, because canines and
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Speaker 1: felines and us our hairs are all very distinctive at
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Speaker 1: a microscopic level, and they do in fact contain DNA
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Speaker 1: as well, depended upon the viability of the hair itself. Nancy,
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Speaker 1: So what do you think forensically or in all the
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Speaker 1: bags that they were taking out of the home. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I think it's probably going to be you know, obviously,
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Speaker 1: you know Max had mentioned electronic devices, but you also
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Speaker 1: have to think about clothing, other contact that may have
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Speaker 1: been there. And Nancy, here's I even hate to say this.
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Speaker 1: If this guy is a trophy taker, God only knows
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Speaker 1: what he may have in that house. Because I can
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Speaker 1: tell you something about predators. These guys network. Just like
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Speaker 1: they share, Just like they share images around, they like
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Speaker 1: to retain things as well, and they'll share those as well.
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Speaker 1: They might even share photos of items that they've taken
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Speaker 1: from individuals. And you know, we can go anywhere we
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Speaker 1: want to with that forensically, and that's what they're trying
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Speaker 1: to recover. And listen, they might only get one bite
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Speaker 1: at the apple with this. Who knows, you know, once
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Speaker 1: the Feds have kind of stuck their head up on
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Speaker 1: this thing, they might the individual that occupies this location
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Speaker 1: might take everything and destroy it. So they're gonna walk out.
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Speaker 1: I've walked out of scenes before. I remember one night
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Speaker 1: in particular, we walked out with over three hundred bags
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Speaker 1: of evidence from the scene. So yeah, they're they're, they're
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Speaker 1: they're swinging for the fences. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Team.
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Speaker 1: Max Lewis the reporter joining us from Fox fifty nine
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Speaker 1: in Indianapolis. I've seen killers take driver's licenses of victims,
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Speaker 1: their jewelry, not to hock it, not to resell it,
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Speaker 1: but to keep it and look at it and they
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Speaker 1: relive the incident. It's like I keep ticket stubs or
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Speaker 1: Broadway show pamphlets, just all sorts of things. That's what
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Speaker 1: he's talking about. Trophies. Do we know, Max Lewis, of
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Speaker 1: anything that was missing from Liberty, Libby or Abbey, like
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Speaker 1: a shirt, a necklace, a bracelet, a hat, anything, you know.
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Speaker 1: Indiana State Police have been so tight lipped about this,
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Speaker 1: you know, investiation and the way in which the bodies
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Speaker 1: were found. They haven't even released how these girls were murdered.
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Speaker 1: They haven't even given a cause of death in this
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Speaker 1: almost five years since these murders happened, so they have
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Speaker 1: been so tight lipped about this. I did want to
21:43
Speaker 1: sort of jump in on what a previous guests was
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Speaker 1: saying because the phones that they took out of this
21:49
Speaker 1: guy's house shortly after the murders, there were some that
21:53
Speaker 1: had been factory reset. You know, data had been wiped
21:57
Speaker 1: from some of these phones after their initials search and
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Speaker 1: this Keegan Klein guy eventually turned them into police. But
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Speaker 1: these phones, some of the phones had been wiped of
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Speaker 1: all their data. They I believe have been able, according
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Speaker 1: to these core documents, have been able to get some
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Speaker 1: data off of But it's interesting because there may be
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Speaker 1: some data missing from that that could be really important
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Speaker 1: to this investigation. You're absolutely correct. Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: our cut four from NBC or records say they found
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Speaker 1: hundreds of sexually explicit photos and videos on the devices,
22:29
Speaker 1: many from locations across Indiana, including Indianapolis, Kocomo, and Booker Hill.
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Speaker 1: But core documents also say that Climb factory reset one
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Speaker 1: phone two days before police arrived, and deleted the Internet
22:42
Speaker 1: history and social media apps from another phone before turning
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Speaker 1: it over to police two days after he was interviewed.
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Speaker 1: Climb was not charged until August nineteen, twenty twenty. He
22:53
Speaker 1: faces thirty felony counts from twenty sixteen. And seventeen, or
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Speaker 1: possession of child pornography, child exploitation, obstruction of justice, and
23:03
Speaker 1: synthetic identity deception. Synthetic identity deception, I think that means catfishing,
23:10
Speaker 1: when you pretend to be one thing online and social
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Speaker 1: media and you're something very, very different. So, wow, Dodger Bethany.
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Speaker 1: They found hundreds of sexually explicit photos and videos on
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Speaker 1: these devices in multiple locations. And this is right after
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Speaker 1: he factory reset. So if he tried to delete damning
23:34
Speaker 1: material but he left all that, what was so damning
23:38
Speaker 1: that he deleted it? Worse than childhorn? Nancy? Who knows?
23:43
Speaker 1: Maybe he's a serial killer, I mean littled his father.
23:45
Speaker 1: I would doubt he has a day job. His whole
23:48
Speaker 1: life is wrapped around this perversion, this compulsion to learn
23:53
Speaker 1: the young girls. You know, we only we probably just
23:56
Speaker 1: have the tip of the iceberg here, and we're thinking
23:58
Speaker 1: about this in terms to the Delphi murders. But this
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Speaker 1: guy client could be connected to a whole pedophile ring.
24:07
Speaker 1: And I know that that term sounds trite, like, oh,
24:10
Speaker 1: pedophile rings, we hear about it on the news, But
24:12
Speaker 1: think about it. If he has such a huge, huge
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Speaker 1: cash of photos, what's retained as well as what he's wiped.
24:20
Speaker 1: Maybe he didn't get all of those on his own.
24:23
Speaker 1: Maybe he's sharing them with other pedophiles. So if he's
24:26
Speaker 1: such a prolific gatherer of all of these photos, he's
24:31
Speaker 1: getting them from other purps. So how many others are
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Speaker 1: standing behind him? No wonder they came screeching up to
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Speaker 1: his front door so many years later. There could be
24:41
Speaker 1: other murders in the area. There could be other girls
24:44
Speaker 1: that are being lured, other families that he's talking to.
24:48
Speaker 1: I mean, this is just a little drop in a
24:51
Speaker 1: huge reservoir. I'm just thinking through what you're saying back
24:58
Speaker 1: to you, Max Lewis, the timing, the timing finding him.
25:05
Speaker 1: Go through that again, starting with the deaths, the disappearances
25:10
Speaker 1: on libby An Abbey. Yeah, so the deaths happened in
25:14
Speaker 1: about mid February of twenty seventeen. Then, uh, you know,
25:18
Speaker 1: a little less than two weeks later, they show up
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Speaker 1: at the ski inclined guy's house and confiscate these phones.
25:25
Speaker 1: And remember, just like that report had said, just a
25:28
Speaker 1: couple days before he had factory reset one of those phones,
25:31
Speaker 1: and so they had all that information that they took
25:35
Speaker 1: from his house, and then he was charged actually in
25:38
Speaker 1: August of last year with these you know, litany of felonies.
25:42
Speaker 1: And now just this past week, Indiana State Police say, hey,
25:47
Speaker 1: we're looking into this account that this guy ran in
25:52
Speaker 1: connection to, not in connection to, I should say, but
25:55
Speaker 1: you know, in relation to the Delphi murders. The Delphi
25:58
Speaker 1: investigators are looking into this account. And so it's you know,
26:02
Speaker 1: it's left to wonder, well, what connection is he had,
26:05
Speaker 1: how long have they known about this possible connection, if any,
26:08
Speaker 1: and what about the guy that was posing Take a
26:11
Speaker 1: listen to our cut five Troopers say that someone created
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Speaker 1: an account named Anthony Shots and use pictures of a
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Speaker 1: known male model to attempt to catfish young women. These
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Speaker 1: are some of the pictures used in that profile. The
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Speaker 1: man portrayed in these pictures is not a person of interest.
26:27
Speaker 1: These are simply the pictures that the person behind the
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Speaker 1: account posted, but police want to know if any of
26:32
Speaker 1: these pictures look familiar to you. Still, police aren't saying
26:36
Speaker 1: exactly how this account could be linked to the Delphi murders,
26:39
Speaker 1: but they're looking for more information from you. All the same.
26:42
Speaker 1: The fictitious Anthony Shots profile use images of a known
26:46
Speaker 1: male model and portrayed himself as being extremely wealthy and
26:50
Speaker 1: owning numerous sports cars. The creator the fictitious profile use
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Speaker 1: this information while communicating with juvenile females to solicit new images,
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Speaker 1: obtain their address, and attempt to meet with them. Police
27:05
Speaker 1: have just revealed that a catfish account created by a
27:10
Speaker 1: suspected pedophile may be connected to the disappearance and deaths
27:17
Speaker 1: of two gorgeous young Delphi girls, thirteen and fourteen year
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Speaker 1: old Liberty and Abigail. Right now, police are desperately searching
27:27
Speaker 1: for anyone connected to this account. An account created by
27:33
Speaker 1: the suspected pedophile, a fake account using images of an
27:38
Speaker 1: innocent male model to lure young girls to Max Lewis
27:45
Speaker 1: joining us from Fox fifty nine. From my understanding, what Klein,
27:49
Speaker 1: twenty seven year old Anthony Klein was doing was not
27:52
Speaker 1: just getting young girls to send him nude photos of themselves,
27:56
Speaker 1: but to actually meet up with him. Is that correct? Yeah,
27:58
Speaker 1: that's what in the NFCA police told us. They said
28:01
Speaker 1: that he used this account not only like you said,
28:03
Speaker 1: to solicit nude images and to connect with these young girls,
28:06
Speaker 1: but in some cases try and meet up with them.
28:10
Speaker 1: So that would probably mean in that area around Peru
28:13
Speaker 1: where he lives. Again, Delphi's only thirty miles from there,
28:17
Speaker 1: so he was attempting. According to the Indiana State Police,
28:21
Speaker 1: he was attempting to meet up with girls in the
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Speaker 1: area as well as you get sexually explicit images of them.
28:27
Speaker 1: It would not be the first time a child has
28:29
Speaker 1: been lured online. Take a listen to our cut twelve.
28:34
Speaker 1: This is from ABC four. It's Anne Emerson speaking. An
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Speaker 1: eleven year old driver on a three hour trip pulls
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Speaker 1: over randomly into a restaurant parking lot early Monday morning.
28:45
Speaker 1: A police cruiser is there, and he needed help. And
28:48
Speaker 1: also Braun was in the right place at the right time,
28:52
Speaker 1: and that's possibly what saved this young man's life, says
28:55
Speaker 1: Charleston Police Chief Luther Reynolds. Well to find out why
28:58
Speaker 1: he was in Charleston, where he was from, where he
29:01
Speaker 1: was supposed to be an officer on night duty. The
29:05
Speaker 1: eleven year old pulls in. Within a minute, the officer
29:08
Speaker 1: gets out to investigate. The boy shakes hands with the officer.
29:12
Speaker 1: Within twenty three minutes from the initial meeting, the child
29:16
Speaker 1: gets into the cruiser. The boy told police he was
29:19
Speaker 1: from Simpsondel. He said he took his brother's car and
29:22
Speaker 1: drove two hundred miles to meet a man from Snapchat.
29:25
Speaker 1: He said he was going to live with him. Jess
29:27
Speaker 1: got Morgan, You and I covered that case together. An
29:30
Speaker 1: eleven year old child has driven hours and hours through
29:36
Speaker 1: the night to meet up with some unbeknowns to the child,
29:40
Speaker 1: some PERV. And he happens to pull into a fast
29:43
Speaker 1: food restaurant and the cop was sitting there, a cop,
29:47
Speaker 1: an off duty cop, was sitting there. Says, car drive
29:50
Speaker 1: by and there's like this little bit of head in it.
29:52
Speaker 1: You can hardly see anybody driving. So the cop goes over.
29:56
Speaker 1: It's an eleven year old little boy who has been
29:59
Speaker 1: tricked online by a PURV. It's just like shooting efficient
30:06
Speaker 1: a barrel for these these purvs online. Yeah, no kid
30:09
Speaker 1: in this little boy had an angel on the shoulder
30:11
Speaker 1: when that happened. You know, what are they? You know,
30:13
Speaker 1: and God only knows what could have happened to this
30:15
Speaker 1: poor kid, you know, had they not been there and
30:18
Speaker 1: interdicted the situation. But these people are everywhere, Nancy, these
30:22
Speaker 1: predators are like this, And going back to what doctor
30:26
Speaker 1: Bethany had said, about the networking involved in this. It's
30:30
Speaker 1: so widespread, Nancy, it is I hate to use the
30:33
Speaker 1: word epidemic because it's thrown around a lot, But in
30:36
Speaker 1: this particular case, the network, the Internet has sped this
30:41
Speaker 1: up exponentially, almost that it's almost like wildfire. It extends
30:46
Speaker 1: out so far. And these people share images, Nancy, they
30:49
Speaker 1: even share these victims with one another many times. But
30:54
Speaker 1: this is this is the key here. I think the
30:56
Speaker 1: person that we've been talking about, I suspect that they
31:01
Speaker 1: have taken a DNA sample from this individual, and I'm curious.
31:06
Speaker 1: I'm curious if we have any kind of match from
31:09
Speaker 1: the scene, from the from the evidence from Abbey and
31:13
Speaker 1: Libby scene, because they said that they had DNA out there,
31:17
Speaker 1: and I'm really wondering. And also if this DNA that
31:20
Speaker 1: they recovered at the scene and they put this into
31:24
Speaker 1: the national database, have they gotten any hits on this?
31:27
Speaker 1: Have they not moved on it yet? So I'm wondering,
31:30
Speaker 1: is this is this something where prosecutors are kind of
31:32
Speaker 1: holding back investing their cards here, or is this something
31:35
Speaker 1: where they're just coming up with a big beat zero. Well,
31:38
Speaker 1: it's been five years. I hate to think they're holding
31:40
Speaker 1: back anything crime stories with Nancy Grace. These people, these
31:59
Speaker 1: pedophiles and purrs that are seeking out children online making
32:03
Speaker 1: it easier and easier to victimize a child, will go
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Speaker 1: to any lengths to get their hands on a child
32:11
Speaker 1: to actually meet up. Take a listen to our cut
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Speaker 1: thirteen from our friends at WISN twelve. Tommy Lee jenkins
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Speaker 1: first conviction on child sex charges was in twenty eleven.
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Speaker 1: Now he's charged in a new investigation. Documents show Jenkins
32:26
Speaker 1: used Facebook to communicate with someone he thought was fourteen.
32:30
Speaker 1: It was actually an undercovered deputy who asked do you
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Speaker 1: care I'm fourteen and drink Jenkins reply, According to the records.
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Speaker 1: No Prosecutors claimed Jenkins initiated the topic of sex and
32:41
Speaker 1: wanted the undercover to send a picture with no shirt
32:44
Speaker 1: no pans, asking when you get here, would you like
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Speaker 1: to have sex with me? The undercover responded yes, and
32:50
Speaker 1: Jenkins allegedly told the undercover he planned to walk nearly
32:53
Speaker 1: four hundred miles from Whitestown, Indiana to Nina, Wisconsin to
32:57
Speaker 1: meet for sex. On the way, Prosecutors claim Jenkins documented
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Speaker 1: the trip with selfies and pictures of exit signs and
33:05
Speaker 1: on Thursday. Records show Jenkins told the undercover he made
33:08
Speaker 1: it to Wisconsin and wanted to have five hundred kids
33:11
Speaker 1: before we are with God. Instead, Jenkins found investigators waiting
33:16
Speaker 1: to take him back to jail. Okay, askt let that
33:20
Speaker 1: soak in for a moment. This guy walks from Indiana.
33:25
Speaker 1: What is happening in Indiana? From Indiana to Wisconsin? Three
33:31
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty miles. He walks to have sex with
33:36
Speaker 1: a fourteen year old girl and have, quote his words,
33:40
Speaker 1: not mine, five hundred babies man before we die for
33:49
Speaker 1: three hundred and fifty miles, and even chronicled it by
33:54
Speaker 1: taking selfies at exits to show how far and where
33:59
Speaker 1: who's walking to rate a fourteen year old girl, Doctor Bethany.
34:04
Speaker 1: But I say, these pedophiles no bounds. They will go
34:10
Speaker 1: to any links to get a hold of a child.
34:13
Speaker 1: Does that not prove it, Nancy? It does prove it
34:16
Speaker 1: how determined they are. Because whatever else was going on
34:19
Speaker 1: that he claimed he wanted, I don't know five hundred
34:21
Speaker 1: and fifty kids, or he drove, you know, he walked
34:24
Speaker 1: hundreds of miles. This guy was determined. But I have
34:28
Speaker 1: to say I think it's hilarious that the police let
34:31
Speaker 1: him walk hundreds of miles before they arrested him. Could
34:36
Speaker 1: I think a quick comment. You know, in the Gabby
34:38
Speaker 1: Potito case, the crime was basically solved on social media,
34:43
Speaker 1: so many people were interested in documenting where Gabby Potito was,
34:47
Speaker 1: and I think in this case the police were putting
34:49
Speaker 1: out a similar plea if you know of anyone who
34:53
Speaker 1: online is experiencing contact with men like this, will you
34:58
Speaker 1: contact the police station. But it's interesting in the Gabby
35:01
Speaker 1: Potito case, you had adults who are social media stars
35:04
Speaker 1: who were all sort of crowdsourcing information. In this case,
35:09
Speaker 1: all this information is going to have to come from
35:11
Speaker 1: thirteen fourteen year old victims, you know, and they're not
35:14
Speaker 1: going to say that their parents. Look, I've been talking
35:16
Speaker 1: to this guy online. So it's much trickier to try
35:20
Speaker 1: to find out where these perpetrators are even filtrating because
35:25
Speaker 1: it's so secret, and kids are being alienated from their parents,
35:29
Speaker 1: and the grooming process is so extensive, and then once
35:33
Speaker 1: the child gets hooked, they didn't feel guilty that they've
35:37
Speaker 1: said bad things about their parents, so they're not going
35:39
Speaker 1: to tell their parents, you know, that they've been talking
35:43
Speaker 1: to this person, and then the guy starts to threaten them,
35:46
Speaker 1: like the one clip that you were that you were
35:50
Speaker 1: airing that he then threatened to kill her sister or
35:53
Speaker 1: you know, rape her sister. That these guys have enormous
35:57
Speaker 1: leverage over their victims, and so the victims never come
36:00
Speaker 1: forward because another thing jump this is another thing that
36:04
Speaker 1: makes this case very different, is it's one thing to
36:07
Speaker 1: use your own images and seek to meet up with someone.
36:10
Speaker 1: If you're using fake images, especially as you pointed out,
36:13
Speaker 1: a male model that looks very different than you do
36:17
Speaker 1: when they meet up with victims. If somebody is doing that,
36:20
Speaker 1: what happens then when it's obvious that this is not
36:23
Speaker 1: the person you thought you were corresponding with. That's where
36:26
Speaker 1: we begin to get frightened. As to Wilson, how what
36:29
Speaker 1: do you think that meeting is going to be like?
36:31
Speaker 1: If you're obviously using somebody else's photos. And again it's
36:34
Speaker 1: not just little girls that get catfished online. Take a
36:38
Speaker 1: listen to our friend Mike Holfield New six Orlando Are
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Speaker 1: cut fourteen. Think you'll ever find him now? I wish
36:48
Speaker 1: to god I could PostScript from a once wealthy widow.
36:51
Speaker 1: I went through my bank statements and it was two
36:53
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy thousand dollars. You love this guy? Yeah,
36:57
Speaker 1: And he told me he was in love with me,
36:59
Speaker 1: looking for him real relationship. They met on match dot com.
37:02
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Speaker 1: match and there be half We married, And so I
37:10
Speaker 1: didn't have any reason to question it. You thought this
37:12
Speaker 1: was it. She knew him as Jerry Michael aka Darnell Michael.
37:17
Speaker 1: Diane says he told her he was a divorced German
37:19
Speaker 1: CEO of a California construction project. This is the only
37:24
Speaker 1: voice message she saved, Graham, how are you doing? This
37:27
Speaker 1: is Jerry? Please call me right so we can please
37:31
Speaker 1: thank you all right. He would call from four different numbers,
37:34
Speaker 1: always in need of money. It was mostly lawyer fees,
37:38
Speaker 1: bail money. You six tract those numbers to Bakersfield, California.
37:44
Speaker 1: One had a familiar voice on the recording. Very much,
37:48
Speaker 1: please the mess, you know, give up Q than It
37:52
Speaker 1: turns out Diane Standish had been catfished. Is that what
37:57
Speaker 1: happened to Liberty? And we wait as justice unfolds? Tipline
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