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Midday Missing Bryan _Vladek_ Hasel · True Crime and Wine Time

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  Speaker 1: to our case today. So today we have a very
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  Speaker 1: special episode as we continue our mission to bring attention
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  Speaker 1: to current missing person cases. And I am honored to
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  Speaker 1: be joined by two incredible guests who are here to
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  Speaker 1: help us shed light on the disappearance of Brian Vladik Hassel,
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  Speaker 1: who went missing in November of twenty twenty one. And
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  Speaker 1: we will refer to Brian as Flatic because that is
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  Speaker 1: the name he chose to go by. So first, welcome, ladies,
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  Speaker 1: we have Bethany Vlatik's sister, who I have to say,
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  Speaker 1: you have been tireless in advocating for your brother in
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  Speaker 1: searching for answers and I love that. And we are
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  Speaker 1: also joined by Hailey Gray, who has dedicated missing person
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  Speaker 1: advocate who has been working closely with families like Bethany's.
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  Speaker 1: So welcome, ladies.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having us. We really appreciate it.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, thank you so much.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I, like I said, I appreciate it. But
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  Speaker 1: before we get into vlatox story, I want to know
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  Speaker 1: how the two of you met and joined forces.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So I met Haley through Moms and Mysteries, who's
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  Speaker 2: a podcast that I met at Crime Con Orlando, and
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  Speaker 2: they actually live locally to me, so they were able
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  Speaker 2: to partner up with vladex case and they have been
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  Speaker 2: a tremendous help. They introduce us to Haley. Haley helps
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  Speaker 2: their podcast with researching and so many other things with
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  Speaker 2: advocacy that I can't even go into all the details,
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  Speaker 2: but she is phenomenal and she has been such good
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  Speaker 2: friends and really close to my family ever since we
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  Speaker 2: love her dearly.
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  Speaker 1: Well that's great, because Haley, I mean, it's sad to
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  Speaker 1: say this, but we need more people like you because
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  Speaker 1: these families go through so much.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they really do.
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  Speaker 3: I'm always surprised that, like when I offer to help
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  Speaker 3: people that I was like, oh my gosh, no one's
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  Speaker 3: ever offered that before, And I'm like, why not.
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  Speaker 1: I know, I hear the same thing, you know with
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  Speaker 1: some of the families we have come on and I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: you mean, nobody has offered that. And I mean I'm
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  Speaker 1: always shocked as well. And there are times, and I've
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  Speaker 1: said on here, I wish that I did this full
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  Speaker 1: time so that we could help even more families like
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  Speaker 1: we do with Chase Lackey's family, and that's why we
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  Speaker 1: started Midday. We can't help as much as we'd like,
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  Speaker 1: but we can try to spotlight and get it out there,
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  Speaker 1: because the other thing is if basis do not get
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  Speaker 1: the attention they deserve.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to thank you both so much for
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  Speaker 1: being here. And Bethany, I know this has you know,
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  Speaker 1: not easy for you, but I am grateful you know
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  Speaker 1: that you're here and that you're willing to talk to
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  Speaker 1: us and help us understore understand more about Vladock's case
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  Speaker 1: and what happened. So I first want to learn a
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  Speaker 1: little bit more about Vladex. So can you tell us
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  Speaker 1: about him?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So, Vladik and Arena we adopted them from Russia
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  Speaker 2: in two thousand and four. Vladik was five at the time,
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  Speaker 2: and he has always been the active kid, always outside,
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  Speaker 2: having new adventures, climbing trees, that type of personality, always
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  Speaker 2: big in sports growing up. Basketball has been one of
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  Speaker 2: his favorite sports that he still enjoys into adulthood. And yeah,
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  Speaker 2: just one that never really sat. Still always wanted to
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  Speaker 2: be on the go, and that's kind of like his
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  Speaker 2: personality into adulthood as well. So just a big hut.
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  Speaker 1: Are some of your fondest memories, because I'm sure there
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  Speaker 1: are many, But what are some of your favorites?
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  Speaker 2: There are several. At one point in time, it was
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  Speaker 2: just Vladik and I living at home. Everyone else had
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  Speaker 2: moved out, so I really cherished that time together because
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  Speaker 2: we got really close over those years. He would go
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  Speaker 2: out with me to the barn and go horseback riding
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  Speaker 2: with me, and I would teach him how to ride
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  Speaker 2: and It's not something that my other siblings really had
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  Speaker 2: an interest in, but Vladick would. I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: he really had an interest in it or it was
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  Speaker 2: more to kind of make me happy.
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  Speaker 1: I sid say, maybe he just wanted to, you know,
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  Speaker 1: his interest was in his sister and doing things that
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  Speaker 1: she loved.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but he's a trooper. Even the year before he
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  Speaker 2: went missing, we went to North Carolina, some of my
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  Speaker 2: family and I for my birthday. And those are other
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  Speaker 2: memories that I really cherish because it was like my parents, Jodie,
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  Speaker 2: Vladick and I and the rest of my family isn't
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  Speaker 2: able to really get out there active due to health restraints,
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  Speaker 2: but Vladick and I we were able to do hikes together.
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  Speaker 2: So I really cherished those hikes that we did. And
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  Speaker 2: we also went horseback riding, and he was a trooper.
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  Speaker 2: It was an intense trick ride for a trail ride
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  Speaker 2: like it had recently rained really hard. In the trail.
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  Speaker 2: You have to ride through the river. Oh, the river
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  Speaker 2: for quite a ways and the current was really strong
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  Speaker 2: up to it reached like our ankles, if not mid
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  Speaker 2: calf at some spots, and he he did it.
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  Speaker 1: I've like I like to ride horses. But I'm sitting
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  Speaker 1: here thinking, I don't know if I would have done that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so he definitely sounds like he was a trooper.
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  Speaker 2: He is. He is. So I love those together.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, and I try to tell people the
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  Speaker 1: memories never fade. You know, people think they would, but
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  Speaker 1: it's like, you know, that's get out there and make
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  Speaker 1: those memories. Now. Can you walk us through the days
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  Speaker 1: leading up to his disappearance in twenty twenty one?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, to talk about the day's leading up, have to
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  Speaker 2: backtrack a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Sure.
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  Speaker 2: So, he throughout his entire childhood into adulthood, he's always
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  Speaker 2: had a deep desire to join the Marines. It's always
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  Speaker 2: been his life.
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  Speaker 3: Goal, and.
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  Speaker 2: He joined. He worked really hard to be able to join,
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  Speaker 2: lost a lot of weight, exercise quite often to be
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  Speaker 2: able to enlist, and went to the San Diego boot camp. Graduated,
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  Speaker 2: and after he graduated, he was given a desk job,
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  Speaker 2: which isn't what he had anticipated. He's like, like I've mentioned,
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  Speaker 2: he's a very active person, So being put behind a desk, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: not what he was expecting at all. He even received
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  Speaker 2: like a marksmanship award and all that, so he had
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  Speaker 2: anticipated being more of that role. So while there he
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  Speaker 2: was able to speak with people over him and find
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  Speaker 2: a way to get a discharge. He said was bringing
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  Speaker 2: up negative memories from his childhood in Russia, so they
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  Speaker 2: were they issued the discharge on the paperwork, they put
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  Speaker 2: under honorable conditions for failure to adapt. He came back
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  Speaker 2: to live with my dad and really kind of struggled
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  Speaker 2: for what was next because there wasn't a plan B
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  Speaker 2: that was his life goal. And then like six months
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  Speaker 2: later he went to go live with Carrie. COVID happened
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  Speaker 2: a couple months later after that, and at the time
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  Speaker 2: he was he got a job. He was working at
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  Speaker 2: a hospital cleaning hospital rooms, and a lot of the
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  Speaker 2: nurses have said how much of a help he was
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  Speaker 2: through that time because there'd be COVID positive patients that
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  Speaker 2: the rooms need to be cleaned, and he would be
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  Speaker 2: the one to volunteer to go and help him. Carrie,
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  Speaker 2: the single mother at the time, she had to take
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  Speaker 2: a leave from her job since the daycares were closed, right,
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  Speaker 2: so I was really able to step up and help
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  Speaker 2: provide income to cover the bills for them. During that time,
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  Speaker 2: he moved back to my dad's in the September of
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty, and my dad was remarried and his wife
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  Speaker 2: at the time was putting a lot of pressure on
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  Speaker 2: like to Volotic, you know, you need to get a job,
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  Speaker 2: you need to get a job, and Dad didn't want
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  Speaker 2: to put too much pressure on him because he felt
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  Speaker 2: like Gladick was, you know, struggling with what's next. You know.
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  Speaker 2: They ended up moving out and there was other stuff
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  Speaker 2: going on the relationship, but Dad ended up getting a
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  Speaker 2: divorce and Vladik and Dad eventually landed at the place
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  Speaker 2: at Alifeya apartment complex in November of twenty twenty, and
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  Speaker 2: they were there when Vladick went missing. At the beginning
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  Speaker 2: of twenty twenty one, Vladik seemed to find more of
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  Speaker 2: a purpose. He started helping the homeless population. He started
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  Speaker 2: giving tips to waiters and waitresses after having conversations with
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  Speaker 2: them if they if they mentioned that they were going
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  Speaker 2: through a rough time, he would leave a very large
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  Speaker 2: tip one hundred and three hundred dollars tip.
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  Speaker 1: So he found his purpose helping people, He.
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  Speaker 2: Really did, and my dad was supporting him financially the
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  Speaker 2: whole time, and he was fine with However, Vladik chose
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  Speaker 2: to use those fine the money because it really felt
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  Speaker 2: like he was finding a purpose. He was happy. And
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  Speaker 2: then also at the beginning of that year, he kind
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  Speaker 2: of changed in his perspective on materialistic things, like he
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  Speaker 2: had always wanted name brand shoes, name brand clothes, the
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  Speaker 2: Michael Jordan's what what have you the newest iPhone, But
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  Speaker 2: at that beginning of that year he would say things like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, things of this world are a distraction. I
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  Speaker 2: don't need it. Why are we here when we can
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  Speaker 2: just be in heaven like a like we we grew
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  Speaker 2: up Christian, but this was a whole other level that
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  Speaker 2: he was. So he would make offhand comments like that.
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  Speaker 2: And he had also made comments about, you know, wanting
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  Speaker 2: to hike the applationan trail and live off the grid
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  Speaker 2: and live that minimalistic lifestyle. But he had told Dad
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  Speaker 2: that he would never make those changes or do that
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  Speaker 2: kind of thing until Dad had no longer here to
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  Speaker 2: take care of had passed away kind of thing, because
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  Speaker 2: he made how much of a help Flatik was to him.
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  Speaker 2: So like the comments that he made about like the
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  Speaker 2: applation trail never really seemed but he would say things
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  Speaker 2: to like get reactions of people too right, more like
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  Speaker 2: a what's the word I'm looking for? A big idea,
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  Speaker 2: but not something that he had plans to actually follow
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  Speaker 2: through with. And when we started making plans for my
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  Speaker 2: birthday in November, I we just I decided to go
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  Speaker 2: to Tennessee and it was gonna be my parents again
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  Speaker 2: and a couple of friends, and Vladik was gonna go too,
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  Speaker 2: And a couple of days before we left, Ladick decided
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  Speaker 2: to stay home, which wasn't completely out of character for him,
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  Speaker 2: because sometimes Laddick would just opt to have his own time,
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  Speaker 2: do his own thing. And yeah, a couple of days
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  Speaker 2: before my dad left, Flatick had purchased a pocket knife
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  Speaker 2: and said, you know that he bought it for protection.
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  Speaker 2: And the car that he shared with Dad had broke
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  Speaker 2: down that night and it ended up being towed to
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  Speaker 2: the shop and remained at the shop till Dad got back.
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  Speaker 2: And there I lost my thought.
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  Speaker 1: Say sorry, did he say why he thought he needed
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  Speaker 1: protection or just in general he thought the pocket knife
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  Speaker 1: would be good for protection.
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  Speaker 2: He didn't say why, and like Dad didn't press him.
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  Speaker 2: But Flattock is always you know, when he when he
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  Speaker 2: thinks of getting a pocket knife, it's just something to
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  Speaker 2: have on hand for protection, like so it kind of
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  Speaker 2: seemed like that was the response, like it's just a
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  Speaker 2: just in case thing, you know, like for kind of thing,
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  Speaker 2: Like he didn't really make a big deal of it
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  Speaker 2: being for protection. Offhanded comment.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, now, and tell us about the day he
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  Speaker 1: went missing or when you you know, when I know
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  Speaker 1: you said he didn't decide not to go on your
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  Speaker 1: birthday trip. What led to you knowing that he was missing?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So while we were gone, my dad tried reaching
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  Speaker 2: out to him via text and calls, but he never
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  Speaker 2: responded back. We were in the mountains and didn't have
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  Speaker 2: much signal, so we weren't really sure like what was
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  Speaker 2: going through or not. And when my dad got back
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  Speaker 2: on November fifteenth, he picked up the car that they
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  Speaker 2: shared on the way back and got to the apartment,
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  Speaker 2: and the package that he had told Vladick that he
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  Speaker 2: was expecting to come, that Vladik had told him that
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  Speaker 2: he would bring inside was still outside the apartment door.
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  Speaker 2: Dad went inside. Everything seemed like it was when Dad left,
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  Speaker 2: still about the same amount of food, no new dishes.
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  Speaker 2: Everything kind of seemed like it the day of Dad left,
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  Speaker 2: and we didn't worry too much because Vladik we Dad
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  Speaker 2: had told Ladick he was getting home the next day,
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  Speaker 2: so for him not to be there, then maybe Dad
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  Speaker 2: was thinking he may have stayed at a friend's house. Right,
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  Speaker 2: So when the next night came around and Vladix still
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  Speaker 2: hadn't responded, and Dad also found Vladock's phone in his bedroom,
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  Speaker 2: it was sitting next to the charger, but it wasn't
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  Speaker 2: plugged in, it wasn't charged, it was dead. So when
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  Speaker 2: the next night came and there was still no Vladik,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Vladix a night owl. Maybe he's up late,
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  Speaker 2: you know, driving or around and we'll come back one
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  Speaker 2: am or something. Still no Vladik. So Wednesday morning I
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  Speaker 2: called the Orange County Sheriff's office to start the missing
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  Speaker 2: person's report, and they went ahead and came out and
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  Speaker 2: started that process.
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  Speaker 1: What was their initial response, because sometimes you know, we
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  Speaker 1: hear they say, oh, they're an adult, they have the
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  Speaker 1: right to not be here, or maybe they ran away.
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  Speaker 1: What kind of response did you get?
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  Speaker 2: So they were more willing to listen to us since
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  Speaker 2: we hadn't heard from him since November six, he had
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  Speaker 2: called him an arena, had had a phone conversation with
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  Speaker 2: early morning hours that day, so since it had been
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  Speaker 2: over a week, they did come out and take the report.
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  Speaker 2: The detective that initially came out was standing in Vladick's
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  Speaker 2: room with my dad and he saw an article of
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  Speaker 2: clothing that Vladick is known to wear, like these gold
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  Speaker 2: legging pants, you can't miss them. And he's started to
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  Speaker 2: describe Vladick to my dad before the detective even saw
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  Speaker 2: a picture of him. And the detective was like, isn't
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  Speaker 2: your son, you know, blonde hair, about five seven or so,
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  Speaker 2: hefty guy usually wears a black hoodie and those pants.
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  Speaker 2: And dad said, yeah, that describes him pretty well. And
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  Speaker 2: the officer said, I know Vladik. He came up to
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  Speaker 2: me and my partner just recently and thanked us for
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  Speaker 2: our service and started to have a conversation with us.
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  Speaker 2: And like that's just the kind of personality Vladik is,
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  Speaker 2: Like he'll start up conversations with people to learn your story.
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  Speaker 1: That's amazing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And that weekend, the Sheriff's office went door to
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  Speaker 2: door and they had helicopter over air with thermal scanners
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  Speaker 2: and they did other searches and the only thing that
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  Speaker 2: they found at some point during those initial searches was
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  Speaker 2: a red slide shoe and they showed a picture of
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  Speaker 2: it to my dad and my dad said, well, Vladik
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  Speaker 2: wear's slides, but I don't remember if he has a
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  Speaker 2: red pair or not. And in February when they met
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  Speaker 2: with us, they showed me the picture and I pretty
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  Speaker 2: much said the same thing. I don't remember if he
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  Speaker 2: has reread a red pair or not. It was during
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  Speaker 2: that meeting in February that we learned that Vlatik had
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  Speaker 2: received a trespass warning at fox Hill and Foxtail Coffee
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  Speaker 2: House is a place that Flatick would frequent regularly. The
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  Speaker 2: manager sat up to three times a week and he
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  Speaker 2: would spend hours there. So when the detective mentioned because
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  Speaker 2: the detective was talking about possible sightings and that kind
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  Speaker 2: of thing, and there was a possible sighting at the
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  Speaker 2: apartment complex on the fifteenth, and then I had asked
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  Speaker 2: her if there was a way to confirm if it
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  Speaker 2: was in fact the fifteenth, and she said, you know, no,
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  Speaker 2: but I can tell you that our department interacted with
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  Speaker 2: him on November sixth, twenty twenty one, during the trust
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  Speaker 2: pass at Foxville, and that really caught me off guard
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  Speaker 2: because Vlati's never been in trouble and I had asked him, like,
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  Speaker 2: why how did he get a trustpassed? What was it for?
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  Speaker 2: And she seemed to not really know the detail of it.
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  Speaker 2: She just said, oh, you know your brother, he was
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  Speaker 2: probably just talking too much.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: I don't think they give you trespass for talking too much,
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: because if so, I would have a lot of trespass charges.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I found that really odd during that conversation,
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: before I knew about Fox till I had asked them,
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: you know like flat it frequents these fast food places
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: around their apartment complex, Like that's his hangout spots, you know, Foxtails, Zaxby's,
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: wah wah, all these places, Like were you able to
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: go to these places that he would go to there
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: was probably six or seven and ask them to review
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: their footage over the time we were gone, Were you
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: able to review street camera footage like that kind of thing?
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: And she said that the street camera footage was not usable,
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: that it was either not functioning or didn't record, and
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: to ask these businesses to review their footage or for
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: them to review it would be too much to look through,
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: is what she told me.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Okay, it would be too much, it would be too
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: much work basically, okay.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And then I learned about Fox Hill and knowing
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: that they had a place to start from to track
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: its movements. They themselves saw him at fox Hill. They
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: could have kind of tracked him from there where he
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: went right, they didn't like, they just kind of shrugged
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: shrugged it off. So we went to fox Hill, or
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: we reached out to Fox Hill to see if the
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: manager would be willing to talk with us to shed
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: some more light onto what happened. Why did he get
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: a trespass warning? And the manager did sit down with
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: us and said that on Thursday, November fourth, a customer
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: had made a complaint that Vladik was making him feel uncomfortable.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: And the manager said, you know, it's not uncommon for
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: a customer to complain that vlad makes him feel comfortable,
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: because Vladik kind of has like an atypical personality at
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: the coffee shop where he'll get his coffee, and sometimes
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: he'll paste around the coffee shop listening to his music.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: He doesn't sit still kind of thing, and sometimes he'll
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: kind of sing to his music a little bit, and
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: customers will be like can you ask him to sit down?
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: Can you ask him to quiet down? Every time the
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: employees would ask Flatik to sit down or keep it down,
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: Flatic would And so this time customer made a complaint
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: saying that he was making him feel uncomfortable. He didn't
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: really go into specifics, but that customer then left. He
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: said he was gonna leave. So since that guy left,
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: they didn't say anything to Vladick. The customer came back
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: later on and said, hey, I think Vladick might have
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: been sitting outside at this point. He said, Hey, I
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: just want to let you know the person I made
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: that complaint about. I also saw him place a pocket
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: knife on the table. So since Fox still has a
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: zero weapons policy, they decided to go ahead and issue
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: a trespass warning, which I get it, you just don't
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: know now. At this point, Vladick had already left. He
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: wasn't there. He was unaware that there was any issue.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: Dad left for Tennessee the following day, on Friday the fifth,
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: Vladick helped him get the suitcase in the car packed
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: the car. Dad left him with one hundred dollars a
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: credit card, and he asked him, if you want any
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: more groceries for the fridge. Bladick said, no, this is plenty.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: Dad told him that the package was coming in a
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: couple of days if he could bring it inside. Vladick
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: said he would. Later on, at like two am Saturday morning,
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: Vladig Arena have a phone conversation. Arena is his biological sister,
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: and they typically call each other talk at least once
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: a day. She said there was nothing out of the
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: ordinary with the conversation was about five minutes, just checking
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: in on each other. It was kind of a typical
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: time for them to talk at the early hour mornings
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: because they're both up there night owls, they're not out.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: So the following morning is we learned that Vladick went
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: back to Foxtille. And what's kind of weird to me
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: is that he went back there so early. Flatix sleeps in.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: He doesn't wake up before eleven typically, But he walked
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: back to Foxtille and on the time stamp is a
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: like eight thirty Saturday morning, and he walked there because
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: he didn't have access to a vehicle, so he bought
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: a cup of coffee and fox Stale went ahead and
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: issued had the sheriff's office come out to issue the
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: trust pass warning. And when the officer came out, he
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: didn't tell Vladik why. He just said kind of a
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: generic you know, it's a private business. They can issue
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: a trustpass whatever for whatever they feel. And you could,
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: like we've seen the body cam footage. We didn't get
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: to see it until like September, so like ten months
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: after he went missing, but you could really see like
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: the hurt and confusion in his eyes, and throughout the
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: whole thing, he was still trying to be you know,
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: kind and talk about you know, how's your going, trying
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: to talk about the weather, just trying to make small.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: He wasn't being mean or he wasn't, you know, trying
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: to aggravate. Now, does trespass mean he could never go
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: back there?
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: The officer told him that if he ever came back,
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: he would be arrested, so they called the trespass warning.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: Okay, I just didn't know that meant you can never
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: go back?
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: Wow?
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah's a public coffee how it's a retail place?
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: Okay? Yeah, So in the bodycam footage, like he pulls
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: out things from his pockets and he's got the credit card.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: Dad left him with a bank of America card, his
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: driver's license, he doesn't have the pocket knife on him
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: or anything. And the officer asks him, you know about
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: his phone, and Vladick says, I just got a new number.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: I don't remember the number. My phone's left at the apartment,
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: and like everything on his person, the credit card, the debit,
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: the Bank of America card, driver's license, the clothing he's
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: wearing is all still missing. Okay, last charge or the
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: only charge on that credit card that dad left him
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: was for Foxtale. There's no other charges been since that time.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: The when he said his phone was still at the apartment.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: When Dad got back to the apartment the following week,
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: his phone was there, the pocket knife was there, all
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: of that.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: So they didn't try to go from foxtail. You know,
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: he's there, you talk to him, and now you hear
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: a week later is missing. Just me. I'm not in
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: law enforcement, but couldn't have gone and looked at the
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: cameras and kind of tracked where I went.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I didn't. I feel like they, you know,
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: they did what they quote unquote were obligated to do
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: with the searching, but they didn't. I feel like they
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: treated him as an adult man that walked away and
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: they didn't dig deep, which you know, you don't know
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: if he walked away on his own accord or not unless.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: You didn't, let's say, how do you know? And maybe
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: he meant to walk somewhere and maybe something happened while
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: he was doing that.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, so yeah, there was. I had spoken with
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: the apartment complex to see if there was any footage
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: at the complex. I stopped by their office the day
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: we report him missing, and I said, hey, you know,
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: do you have any footage? Is there any cameras? And
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: they said that there's a camera in the laundry room
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: and the gym, and Vladick used that gem often like
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: that was one of his places to go. They said
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: the footage saves for about a week, but they couldn't
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: show me or let me see it. It had to
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: go through law enforcement. So I just told the detective
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: that day, said hey, they've got footage saves for about
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: a week in case he went missing between this timeframe
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: and not near the time. At this point I didn't
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: know about Fox Steel, but still this would have been
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: after Fox Steale. But just in case, right, they'll show
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: it to you. It keeps for a week, and I
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: followed up a week later to check in to see
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: what they found, and the detective said it was still
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: on their list of things to do.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: Even though they were only going to keep it for
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: a week. Yeah, expiration date like milk. You don't drink
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: milk past, so you get it before.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: Hey, okay, yeah, the it's unfortunate. I feel like the
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: ball was dropped in some critical areas that could have
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: really helped his case early on. There's no turning back
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: the clock now. But like they had Flatteck's phone, they
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: had the laptop that Dad shared with Ladick. I don't
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: think the laptop really held much because it was kind
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: of tucked away in a closet for a year, So
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: I don't think that was I'm not too worried about that.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: But like they gave his phone back to us in February,
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: three months later, and the back Yeah, they gave it
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: back to us. And I asked the detective, like, did
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: you learn anything from the phone? Were you able to
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: speak with anyone that Vladick had been in contact with?
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: And the detective looked me straight in the eyes and said, no,
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: I thought you did, so, Like, what was the point
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: of having it.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: Like I wasn't thought you did his job before him. Okay,
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: I have to tell you, I you would think after
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: all this time, I would not be shocked by stuff.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: But wow, wow, yeah, after all the like.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: But they didn't take it serious.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: Vestigation, Like they didn't even want us posting flyers. Like
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: you go from not wanting us posting flyers, not wanting
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: us to have our own search teams come out, and
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: now you're saying you didn't look at the phone because
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: you thought I did. Like, it was just really frustrating, extremely.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: Why didn't they want you to put posters out?
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: I don't know. We did, but they weren't happy about it.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: But you did the right thing. They can get over that. Now.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: He was reported to being seen at the apartments right
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: like November twelfth or fifteenth. Were those sightings credible? Did
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: anybody have door camera, ring bells or anything? I forget
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: what they're called ring cameras?
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I believe the sightings happened. There are people
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: that hung out with Vladik, played basketball with Vladeck. I'm
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: not sure if the dates are right. Okay, so the
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: November twelfth sighting that was from a maintenance worker at
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: the apartment complex. He had my dad and I posted
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: flyers in the apartment complex with my dad's phone number
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: on them on day one, and the maintenance worker left
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: a voicemail on Dad's phone saying, hey, you know, I
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: saw your son. We talked for about five minutes last
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: Friday at the basketball court, and my dad is hard
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: of hearing, so when he heard the voicemail, he thought
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: the maintenance worker said that we should check the woods
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: because he saw Vladick walk into the woods. So that's
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: the report that we relate to the I listened to
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: the voicemail a few days later, and I realized that
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: the maintenance worker said you should check the woods because
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: of Ladick was known to like hang out in the
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: woods and smoke and sing and that kind of thing.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: I wasn't seen that day doing going there. Okay, he wasn't.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: Seen walking into the woods. That stayed as on their
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: flyer till like a couple months, even though we tried
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: to get them to change it. So a lot of
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: the news stations at the beginning put that in their story,
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: that black was seen walking off into the woods. But
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: I wonder if that citing. You know, the mainans worker
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: didn't give it an exact date. He just said last Friday.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: And like, last Friday can mean many things to many people.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: Right Friday could be like it could mean this past Friday,
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: or could mean a week ago Friday. So to me,
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: it seems more plausible that interaction happened on Friday the fifth,
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: the day my dad left town, because everything seemed to
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: stop after November sixth, his phone, all the text messages,
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: phone calls, all missed calls from the six on arena
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: started blowing up his phone trying to get a hold
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: of him from the sixth on and he never answered her.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: He never brought in that package. And my dad in
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: Vladis apartment is really like twenty ish feet from the
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: basketball court and you have to take the sidewalk that's
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: in front of their door to get to the basketball court.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: So like he walked by their front door, Like if
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: he was really there on the twelfth, wouldn't he have
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: brought it inside? Wouldn't he have backed after a week
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: like it just it doesn't make a lot of sense
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: to me. So that's why I really wonder if it
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: was the fifth or not. And the other sighting was
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: November fifteenth, a friend of his said that he came
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: to his door like three in the morning on the
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: fifteenth and asked if he could stay the night there,
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: and his friend said, you know, you can't. I'm sorry.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: My girlfriend's here, her kids are gonna be getting up
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: soon to get ready for school. There's just not enough
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: space in Vladik, Is there any words I can't say? Okay?
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: Vladig immediately asked for a gun, and his friend said, no,
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: I don't have a gun. Why do you need it,
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: you know? And Vladick told him that it was for protection.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: And when his friend kind of pressed him, like protection
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: against what Vladick said for an animal. And Vladick is
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: one that he doesn't like people to worry about him.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: He doesn't like he'll he wants to learn your story,
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: but he won't share his. Yeah, he doesn't want anyone
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: to worry about him at all. So when he said
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: like for an animal, I wonder if he was just
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: trying of trying to downplay.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: It a bit, but it's hard to say.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: And then he told him Vladick told his friend that
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: he wanted to go off grid, and I wonder, like
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: if I just wonder if that interaction actually happened on
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: the fifteenth, since everything seemed to stop on the sixth, Like,
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: where was he that week right now? Showing up at
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: his friend's house and what his friend describes him as
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: wearing seems very similar to what he's wearing at during
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: the Fox Hill trespass, So like.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, why did the friend think it was the fifteenth?
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: Was he just like, oh, I think it was the fifteenth,
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: or was he like adamant, No, I know for sure
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: it was the fifteenth.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: That's just what the detective related to us.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: I haven't oh, y'all haven't talked to the friend.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: Okay, specifically my PI Steve Fisher, has had long conversations
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: with them, but like it's been so long, like it's
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: one of those things, like it seems like it was
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: the fifteenth, but I just really wonder was it.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's harnessing after Did the police ever to see, like,
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: you know, if somebody's actually in an apartment, like if
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: he would have went home, he would have used water electricity.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: Did they check to see if the usage went up
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: showing somebody was in the apartment? Did they do anything
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: like that that would have.
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: Been really smart. I never even thought about that.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean that might be something p I
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: can maybe look into ce because if he goes in
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: and you turn on the TV, the radio or the
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: hot shower, you know, to maybe find out if he
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: did go back, you could see what date.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll look into that. I'm not hopefully there's a
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: way to still find that information.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know how long.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but definitely worth looking into for sure.
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: Now did your dad say anything stood out in the
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: apartment is odd? Besides the phone and stuff being there.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: Did it look like he packed things or did it
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: just look like normal? He left, just look.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: Like normal, No clothes missing that he could tell, nothing
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: like that. Just Yeah. And the other thing is they
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: never locked the apartment door. They don't. They never, They
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: didn't have a key for it. So I wonder if
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: you know, him asking to stay at different people's houses,
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: if he was in fear of someone, and since the
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: apartment doesn't have a lock, he didn't want them to
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: find out where he lived, that kind of thing.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: Oh, so there wasn't a lock on the door. I
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: thought they just didn't have a key.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: He could lock it on the inside.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: Oh, but he couldn't. Eve it can't be locked yeah,
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: that makes sense.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, since he went missing in September of
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, was it huraking one, Yeah, it was
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: two years ago. That's two twenty twenty two. Hurricane Ian
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: hit and the apartment complex got flooded out and so
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: now no one lives there, Like they had to completely
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: evacuate everybody. My dad was in the process of moving
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: in with us that week during the hurricane, so we
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: were in the process of moving some things out, but
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: we weren't able to get everything. Thankfully, my dad wasn't
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: there during the hurricane. Because the apartments closer to the
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: back of the property, some of them got up to
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: five feet six feet of water. My dad in Vladocks
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: apartment was closer to the front by the basketball court
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: and they got three feet of water. But we ended
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: up losing majority of Ladox belongings hurricane. Yeah. So like
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: even if you were to like show up, that no
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: longer exists either.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: So now he had developed an interest in religion right
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: and was spending time at a church. Did he say
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: what drew him to that? I mean, I know he
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: liked helping people. Was there something that you know attracted
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: him to them? Because I believe it was a Catholic church.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: It was, so, you know, it was it was different
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: because we're raised Christian. But I think it was more
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: the availability of the prayer garden. He really liked being
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: able to go out in their prayer garden and just
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: spend time alone. And he was known to like walk
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: a lot. Like even though him and Dad shared a car,
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: oftentimes Vladick would just walk to places instead. So I
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: he never told me specifically, but I feel like it
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: was a matter of convenience. He saw it. It's close
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: to their apartment complex, and he just decided to check
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: it out, and that just became a place for him
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: kind of thing.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: Kind of a chill place. Yeah, you mentioned that his
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: friend said he wanted to live off the grid. Did
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: Do you think there was motivation behind that or do
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: you think it was one of those just to say,
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: you know, just like when I say I'm gonna run
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: off and go live in France, but I don't have
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: any plans to really do it.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: It was something he talked about over the year, But
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: I feel like I feel like he was trying to
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: hide from someone. I feel like there was someone potentially
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: that he was trying to create some space with. But
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: I don't feel like initially it started off with him
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: living off the grid, living a homeless lifestyle. Maybe it's
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: become that now. But Vlade's personality like he did, you know,
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: help the homeless a lot, bringing meals to people, taking
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: them to the movies, that kind of thing. But he
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: also is nothing's diagnosed, but I feel like he has
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: some like OCD personalities where he's constantly washing his hands,
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: well a couple showers a day. He it's afraid of
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: the dark, you know, like stuff like that. I don't
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: feel like that's where it started. I think it might
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: have been maybe he went and stayed with a friend somewhere.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: Maybe something else happened. I don't know, but.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, did he have any social media? Was he on
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: any of the social media platforms?
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: He has?
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: Facebook or anything?
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: Facebook and an Instagram, neither one he uses like post
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: kind of thing. Instagram he used a little bit more
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: than the Facebook, but that had been like five years
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: before he since he had posted anything. He used more
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: for like messaging and like the video call option he
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: would do like since he would do that for video calls,
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: since like sometimes he had Android and siblings would have iPhones,
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: so you can't do video calls back in Facebook, So
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: that was more of how he would utilize those platforms.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: And then he also really liked to play video games
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: like PlayStation that kind of thing too.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: Now, had he ever gone off before like this and
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: kind of just disappeared even for a day or two,
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: or was this totally out of the norm for him?
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: Nothing, He's always been in contact with family. He's never
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: he's never not lived with family, except for maybe a
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: couple months with a friend, but he's always lived with
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: family otherwise.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: Now, I know you've been relentless in getting the word
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: out there and trying to find him. What all steps
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: have you taken, because you know, maybe law enforcement didn't do.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: It's truly been with the help of so many individuals
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: that has been able to keep me going, like Hayley
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: Moms and Mysteries Navigate. There's so many people, you guys,
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: that have come alongside to advocate for Vladik to get
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: his face and name out there. That's what's going to
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: do all the difference. Just because Vlatick is known to
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: start up conversations with strangers, I believe there are people
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: out there that will remember him if I can just
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: reach those people, and the only way to reach those
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: people is through social media and getting his story as
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: far out as we can. He doesn't have a passport,
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: Like he didn't go back to Russia anything.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: He didn't leave. Now, the police gave you his phone back, right, Yes,
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: were you able to call anybody in there that he
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: had listed as a contact?
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: Our PI Steve Fisher was able to reach out to
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: people and nothing really that stood out there. There was
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: a couple homeless individuals that had The only thing that
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: really stood out was like they had reached out to
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: Vladik over like forty times in the span of a
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: month or so, and Vladick didn't really use his phone
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: very much to begin with, and like that was out
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: of the ordinary. And that was probably like August of
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, a few months before he went missing,
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: and Flatick broke his plone, broke his phone and told
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: Dad that he broke it because it was a distraction
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: and he didn't want to get a new phone. It
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: took Dad and Arena convincing him, you have to have
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: something right, And he went without a phone for about
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: five weeks before he got the flip phone that he
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: had when he went missing.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: The old kind of yeah old yep, like the yeah,
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: no pictures, no camera taken right, just a phone okay, basic.
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: For calling and you have to type one number multiple
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: times to get a letter.
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember that phone.
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: Just he was menimalistic at that time.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: It was something, you know, at least he had a.
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: Phone, right, he had a way of contact. So when
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: he got a new phone about five weeks later, he
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: changed the number. And that's not something he had to do.
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: All he really needs to do is get a new phone.
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: He could have kept the same number, but he decided
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: to get a new number. He didn't really give us
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: a reason why or anything. But after looking at the
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: phone call log and everything, you could see that the
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: forty calls stopped and when he got a new number,
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: they never continued. So it looks like he was trying
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: to create some space there. So you know, Vladik is
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: a very he has a very generous heart. He looks
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: for the best in people, and I worry that he
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: might have gotten taken advantage of from individuals. I don't
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: know if there was people that he was afraid of,
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe he was trying to create space
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: and I don't know, but yeah, that was really concerning
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: to me.
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, forty times is a lot. There's a lot of calls. Now,
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: how has his disappearance impacted you and the family?
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: Oh, man, I feel like it's still November seventeenth, twenty
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: twenty one, the day he went missing. Like, I can't
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: believe that we're reaching almost three years searching for him.
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: I never saw it going out this far, Like I
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: thought he'd be walking through that door at any point,
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: but he hasn't. He hasn't reached out to anyone, and
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: it tears my family up. We're so worried about him.
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: He he wouldn't let us worry. He would have if
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: he chose to go off the grid do his own thing,
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: he would have reached out to somebody and let us know,
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: like you can stop, I'm doing my thing. I'm fine.
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: He wouldn't let you worry.
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: There's been absolutely nothing, and he doesn't like to be
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: in the spotlight like it you have to literally full
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: teeth to get him in a picture. And if he
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: realized how much his story has been shared, his face,
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: he would have reached out, you know, as soon as
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: he's like, please stop, I'm good. But there hasn't been
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: any of that something hot.
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: Have any tips come in that the police have shared
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: with you.
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: There's been potential tips in that kind of thing, but
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: nothing that's panned out. Yeah, we have no direction of
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: where to look of where he could be.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: Like, I guess it's too late now to try get
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: the video from the businesses, right.
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And it just it blows my mind because he's
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: so well recognized in the Eastern area. Like I went
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: to all those businesses and passed out flyers and they
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: all remembered him. They were all like, Oh, he comes
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: here all the time. But I haven't seen him since
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: that day he went or since around he went missing
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: kind of thing, Like to go from being so well
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: recognized to nothing.
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you think somebody would have seen him.
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: Like he just has such a memorable personality. Like I
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: had a stranger reach out to me on Reddit and
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: was like, Oh, my gosh, is this is that your
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: brother that's missing? Is this his phone number? I had
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: a conversation with him at the gym a few months
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: ago and he wanted to know about me and all
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: this stuff. And we never ended up paying out after that,
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: but he gave me his number to hang out and like,
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: so that interaction was before he went missing. But the
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: number that she sent me or him, I don't know
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: him or her was Vladi's number, So like that just
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: proves to me that people will remember him if we
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: can just write people.
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: Now, besides the initial thing where it was said that
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: he was walking off into the woods, has there been
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: any other misconceptions or rumors around his disappearance?
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: M hmmm, nothing that comes to mind. Can you think
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: of anything, Hayley, I don't think so. Yeah.
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: Well that's good, you know, because sometimes you hear there
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: are so many far out rumors that it's hard. So
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: what can the people who are watching this or listen
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: to this later, what can they do to help support
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: you and your family and help try to find Vladik.
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: That's a great question. Just taking the time to a
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: story today, that's huge. And if you can just take
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: a few more moments to reshare his flyer his story
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: on your social media pages, because you'd never know how
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: your friend circle is connected to another friend circle who
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: might know him or like even I would love to
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: hear from people that you know interactive with Ladick. The
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: week stays leading up to when he went missing too,
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: because that sheds light into his mindset, That sheds light
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: into what he was talking about during those days. Like
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: you know, anything helps, anything can give a clearer picture
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: of where to look, and you can follow along the
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: search for him on a social media pages Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, YouTube,
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: everything by just searching Fine Bladick and you'll find it
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: and just honestly continuing to reshare his story because that's
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: what it's going to take to reach so on the.
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's what I tried to tell everybody. I Mean,
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: we think it's something so simple, but it really can
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: have a huge impact. It really can.
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: Have You.
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: Do you I'm trying to think of how to say it,
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: go back and forth between you think something happened to him,
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: because he wouldn't have just walked off and left you
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: hanging right, So my first thought leads to, somebody has
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: to know something. He didn't just walk off on his own,
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: So something happened.
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: That I missed one?
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: Are you do you kind of lean to something happen
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: to him or set of him walking off on his
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: own or.
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: He is I mean, there's there's so many possibilities, but
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: the ones that I lean that I'm lean more to
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: is he's protecting us that there's someone that he is
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: afraid of and he doesn't want us involved. Like that's
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: a possibility. I wonder like the trespass at Foxtail, Like
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: how much did that really affect him? Like that could
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: have been a real breaking point for him mentally.
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: It could have.
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So like what is his mindset after that? You know,
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: like the what was it? Like I'm trying to us
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: think of the terminology, but like mental health in young
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: men's lives typically manifest right around that.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: Aage ring right around that age, So.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: Like did that set something off? Did that affect him
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: in a way?
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: Like absolutely? After you know, not being able to fulfill
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: his dream in the Marines and you've always been a
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: good person, law abiding, then to get told hey you
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: ever come back here, you're getting arrested. That would impact
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: somebody who's got such a big heart.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, Yeah.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: Oh well, I thank you so much for meeting with
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: us and for you know, joining us today. Is there
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: anything else that you would like to share with us
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: and you would like everyone to know or Vladik if
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: he sees.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: This, glad, if you see this, you're not in trouble.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: We love you and I just want to be able
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: to hug you again. Know if you're okay. So if
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: you're just able to reach out to someone and just
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: let us know we need you back. I'm not gonna
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: make you come back to any situation, but I just
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: need to know. I just need you back in my life.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: I just missed you so much. And for those that are,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: for those that are watching, if you we do go
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: live on TikTok every Tuesday night, typically around nine o'clock
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: Eastern time, so you can also follow the search that way.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: If you have questions in the weeks and the months
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: coming up, you can come join the discussion there and
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: get real answers. There's also a very detailed timeline of
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: the events leading up to Volodex disappearance that Hailey, the
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: Lovely Haley helped me put together, and we can have
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: that link as well to check it out.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: I'll shared it in the chat. We'll see if it worked.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: How about that Terry was able to figure out how
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: to do a chat.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: There is a link tree that has a list of
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: all the platforms the time.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's very detailed. I mean, you guys have I mean,
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: it's amazing I mean, I was like, well, there gives
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: me everything that we need to know. And I have
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: to ask it's his favorite color green?
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: His favorite color is neon green and black.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: Okay kind of I kind of got that vibe, And
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: especially when I found the bracelet taped to the back
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: of the card, I was like, Okay, he definitely liked
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: that neon green. Yeah, yeah, which, Well, I thank you
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: both for coming.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: Haley.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: I want to say thank you, didn't you. I Mean,
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: I'm not part of the family, but everything I have
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: heard from talking to other people about you who've worked
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: with you or heard of you, you are like a
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: little wonder woman I hear, and I just want to
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: say thank you because I think it means a lot
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: to the families, and you do something that those of
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: us can't, and I just I think that's amazing. It
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: gives me goosebumps.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: Oh, well, thank you so much.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: I'm definitely honored to be in this position. And I
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: don't have kids or anything, so I'm able to like
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: dedicate a lot of time. And yeah, I'm just so
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: thankful that I'm able to do this, and thankful to
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: Bethany for letting me in. I know we're wrapping things up.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: But when I just want to say, like Bethany has
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 3: been so welcoming to me, Like I helped with the
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: vigil lash year and I flew to Florida for that
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: and I got in a day early and Bethany was like, Hey,
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: we're celebrating my dad's birthday.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: Want to go to dinner with us?
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: And I just like went to dinner with the whole
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: family and it was like, I'm getting goose, I'm thinking
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: about that.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: Like it was just it.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: Was like I was just immediately part of the family,
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 3: and they're so lovely, and you just every conversation you
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: have with them, you just know how much they miss
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 3: Lad and how they just want him to come home.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: And yeah, but your you know, your love for Vlad
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: is so inspiring and it makes me want to do
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: these things.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: But thank you so.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: Much for having me. And I was glad to share
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: extra info in the chat there for people because this
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: is probably Bethany and I've worked on a document about
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: Vlad's case for months, and she just has so much information.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: You know, a lot of the times with the missing
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: person cases, you don't know a bunch, but Bethany knows
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: everything and so there are so many extra details where
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: I was like, oh, I know more about that, let
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: me stake that child. No.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: I love that because I mean, unfortunately there sometimes law
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: enforcement doesn't give a lot of information, or people don't
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: have the other resources a PI or things like that.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, you guys have a lot of information, and
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: I'm a firm believer that data and information is going
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: to help you find him. It's not going to be
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: just social media because nobody knows. It could just be
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: one little bitty piece of information that they give you,
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: and Bethany's can be like oh wait, wait, wait, wait,
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: that fits right here, and then you're gonna be like,
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: oh my gosh, this is where he is, you know.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: And that's the thing that gets me excited because I'm
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: a weirdo like that. But just knowing that it's just
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: that one small little piece of information and so the
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: fact that you're keeping it and so well organized, it's great.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: So many people. I'm so grateful to each and every
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: one of you guys, to you Terry for helping advocate
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: for Vladik. It is truly a team and I'm just
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: grateful for each and every one of you.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: I say it takes a full community. They say, it
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: takes a tribe to raise a child. When a family
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: member goes missing, it takes the entire everybody. It's not
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: just family.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: And I want to thank you to all of the
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: viewers who are watching this live and for anyone that's
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: going to watch it later. Thank you for tuning in
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: and for being a part of this important conversation. And
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: if you have any information about Vladik, please call the
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: Orange County Sheriff's Office at four oh seven two five
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  Speaker 1: four seven thousand, or I'm going to guess if, like
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  Speaker 1: you said a while ago, Bethany, if they had any
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  Speaker 1: your interactions with him right before he went missing, you
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  Speaker 1: would love to know so they can find you on
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  Speaker 1: the Facebook page.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and reach out to you, reach out to us
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  Speaker 2: the family directly by email as well at find Brian
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  Speaker 2: Bladick Castle the full name right there at gmail dot
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  Speaker 2: com as well.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, and I'm going to remind everybody, and I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: everybody who watches Midday Missing goes Okay, here, Terry's gonna
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  Speaker 1: tell us, please share the missing person flyers. Okay, they
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  Speaker 1: will be posted to our social media page. They've already
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  Speaker 1: been posted, and I say share every missing person flower
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  Speaker 1: you see, but before you do that, just take an
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  Speaker 1: extra step and google it because unfortunately there are some
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  Speaker 1: scams happening right now. With that, but I can tell
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  Speaker 1: you every case that we cover here on Midday Missing,
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  Speaker 1: we have vetted and we are one hundred percent suore
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  Speaker 1: they are still missing. So please share that flyer, but
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  Speaker 1: when you share it, ask your followers to share it
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  Speaker 1: too so you can keep it going. Okay, But I
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  Speaker 1: do thank you both again for joining us, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to just hope that some information comes in soon
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  Speaker 1: because it's been too long and I think you probably
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  Speaker 1: want answers and you deserve those answers. Thank you so,
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  Speaker 1: thank you, and I am going to say bye to
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  Speaker 1: everybody and just remember to stay safe, watch out for crime,
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  Speaker 1: and enjoy your wine time. Guys.
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  Speaker 4: Bye bye guys. Se