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Epstein Files Unsealed: The Ghislaine Maxwell 2019 SDNY Grand Jury Transcript (Part 3) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
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  where he left off with the Glenn Maxwell, New York
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  Grand Jerry transcripts. Question, you are describing for a moment
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  what redacted told you about Maxwell's role during these group encounters.
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  Would Maxwell sometimes guide the women and give instructions about
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  what to do? Answer yes, she would question what would
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  Redacted typically do during these episodes? Answer she would try
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  not to look at Maxwell because she gave off that
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  sister vibe and it felt weird for She would try
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  to be invisible in that room, so they would ignore
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  her as much as possible. Question in the beginning, when
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  redacted was approximately fourteen or fifteen, which he generally begin
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  by just massaging Epstein's feet. Answer yes, question is that
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  something that she was told to do? Answer yes. Question
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  did she you mentioned that she tried to be invisible?
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  Was I believe that was your testimony? Answer yes? Question
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  and over time has she described to you that over
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  time she believes she became more involved in the sexual activity,
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  which varied in each encounter. Answer yes, question were there times?
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  Let me rephrase that, how did you you touched on
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  this for a moment. But just to be clear, how
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  did it Redacted describe Maxwell's attitude during the incidents. Answer
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  it was very casual. She acted like this was normal.
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  She gave off that vibe to her and yeah. Question
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  did that make her feel more comfortable with what was happening?
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  Answer it did. Question was Redacted sometimes fully nude during
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  these episodes? Answer yes? Question and during these episodes, did
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  the abuse include Epstein touching Redacted's breasts? Answer yes. Question
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  did it include directing Redacted to touch Epstein's genitals? Answer yes.
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  Question beginning when redacted was approximately fourteen, does she begin
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  to travel with Epstein and Maxwell to New York City
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  on occasion? Answer yes she did. Question when Redacted travel
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  to New York City, did she stay at Epstein's townhouse
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  in New York City? Answer yes, she did. Question did
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  she recall what Maxwell and Epstein took her shopping on
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  one of her early trips to New York City? Answer yes.
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  Question did she remember them buying her anything? Answer she
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  recalled them buying her a white cotton underwear. Her description
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  was that they were like little girls underwear. Question from
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  ages fourteen to seventeen, did Epstein ask Redacted to periodically
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  fly to New York for weekends that were at the
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  townhouse in New York City. Answer I'm sorry, say that again.
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  Question you testified that she began traveling to New York
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  City at age fourteen. Did she then periodically traveled to
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  New York City in a similar manner from ages fourteen
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  to seventeen? Answer yes. Question were there times when she
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  traveled on those trips when she flew on Epstein's private jet?
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  Answer yes. Question did she also sometimes fly commercially? Answer
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  yes she did. Question was Maxwell sometimes present on the
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  trips to New York? Answer yes. Question you testified earlier
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  that Redacted was sexually abused in Palm Beach. Did she
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  describe to you that she was also sexually abused on
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  these trips to New York City? Answer yes she did.
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  Question did Glenn Maxwell encourage Redacted to go on these trips?
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  Answer yes. Question what is redacted? What did Redacted tell
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  you about her memory of how these trips were arranged? Answer?
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  She recalled that Maxwell was usually the one that would
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  schedule or flights. If she was flying commercially, she would
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  schedule the flight, sometimes calling her mother to schedule question
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  was that her general impression of how they were arranged?
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  Answer yes. Question, in addition to the trips to New
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  York City that you just described, did it Redacted also
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  remember traveling at least once Epstein's ranch in New Mexico?
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  Answer yes, she did. Question and did she remember whether
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  or not she was sexually abused in Mexico or New Mexico?
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  Excuse me? Answer she couldn't recall. She couldn't remember. Question
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  in general? How would Redacted get to the airport in
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  Florida when she would fly on Epstein's jet? What did
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  she describe to you? Answer? Usually a driver, one of
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  Epstein's drivers would pick her up from her house and
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  take her to the airport. Question. Now, you testified earlier
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  that you reviewed flight records for Epstein's private jet. Is
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  that correct? Answer yes? Question, and have your reviewed records
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  from the nineties to see that there or whether there's
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  a person name or adacted listed on the records? Answer yes.
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  Question turning to the next slide, is this an excerpt
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  from those records? Answer yes, it is. Question and does
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  the red arrow point too just one moment? Does the
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  red arrow point to November eleventh, nineteen ninety six Answer
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  yes it does. Question and this is a does this
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  flight log reflect that it was from a flight from
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  Palm Beach, Florida to Teterborough, New Jersey? Answer yes. Question
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  is there a private airfield in Teterborough, New Jersey? Answer
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  yes it is. Question what's it called? Answer Teeterborough Airport.
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  Question are the passengers listed on this entry? Je? Answer yes?
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  Question are the do the entries also include plus friend
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  Jeff Schantz, family redacted, child redacted and redacted? Answer yes,
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  question was redacted based on your awareness of the date
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  of birth and the date of this flight was redacted
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  sixteen on the date of this flight. Answer yes, she was.
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  Question turning to the next slide, You just testified earlier
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  about Teeterborough Airport. What are we looking at on this slide? Answer?
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  This is directions from Teeterborough Airport to Epstein's residence here
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  in Manhattan. Question So, based on your review of this map,
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  if someone were to fly into Teterborough Airport and travel
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  to New York City, would they would the most natural
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  route be to travel from Teeterborough Airport and crossing into
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  New York through Manhattan. Answer yes. Question turning to the
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  next slide, is this also an excerpt from the flight
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  records that you reviewed? Answer yes it is. Question and
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  does this show on May ninth, nineteen ninety seventh flight
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  from Teterborough, New Jersey to Santa Fe, New Mexico. Answer
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  yes it does. Question and are the passengers listed on
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  this log? JEGM and redacted? Answer yes. Question based on
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  your knowledge of redacted's birthday and the date of this flight,
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  would redacted have been sixteen on the date of this flight?
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  Answer yes, you would have. Question turning to the next slide,
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  is this also an excerpt from the flight records? Answer yes?
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  Question and does the red arrow point to a flight
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  entry on nineteenth May third, nineteen ninety eight? Answer yes
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  it does. Question based on the airport codes, does this
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  reflect that there is a flight on that date from
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  Palm Beach, Florida to the Teeterborough, New Jersey Answer yes.
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  Question and are passengers listed on this log? Jae redacted, redacted,
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  Glenn redacted or redacted? Redacted or redacted and redacted? Answer yes.
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  Question Based on your knowledge of redacted's birthdate and the
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  date of this flight, would redacted have been seventeen on
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  this date? Answer yes? Question Am I correct that you
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  testified earlier that in addition to sometimes flying on Epstein's
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  private jet, she also traveled on commercial airlines. Is that correct? Answer? Yes,
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  it is. Question based on your review of these flight logs,
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  does every flight entry list the name of every single passenger?
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  Or are there times when a passenger is noted female? Answer?
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  There's times when passengers is just noted as a female. Question.
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  I'm going to talk to you about two examples of that.
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  Turning ahead to slides, Looking at slide eighteen, does this
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  reflected January third, nineteen ninety five flight where the flight
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  log says je two females. Answer yes it does. Question,
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  And do the two entries below as just list female
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  next to the initials JAYE Answer yes they do. Question.
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  Turning to the next slide, slide nineteen, is this another
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  example of an entry like that? Focusing on the entry
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  on February twelfth, nineteen ninety five. Answer yes. Question does
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  that entry also say female? Answer yes it does. Question.
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  Now you testify that redacted sometimes flu commercial and that
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  arrangements for her travel were made by her to fly
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  commercially for these flights. Is that right? Answer yes? Question
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  have you been able to obtain commercial flight records. Answer
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  we tried, We were not able to obtain those. Question
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  why is that? Answer airlines do not keep records past
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  a certain year. Question does Redacted or recall group sexualized
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  massages involving Epstein and Maxwell in both New York and
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  Florida residences during the time period we've been talking about?
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  Answer yes. Question you testified earlier about the time that
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  Epstein and Maxwell would spend together and the activities that
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  they were involved in during this time period. Did Redacted
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  have occasions to talk with Maxwell? Answer I'm sorry, can
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  you ask the question again? Question during the beginning when
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  she was fourteen, when she began spending time with Epstein
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  and Maxwell, and through the years, did Redacted often have
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  conversations with Maxwell about her life? Answer yes. Question did
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  they talk about that often? Answer? They did. Question did
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  Maxwell ask about Redacted's family, her classes, and other aspects
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  of her life? Answer she did. Question you testified earlier
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  that just before she turned eighteen, Redacted moved to New
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  York City. Is that right? Answer yes? Question And did
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  she go to school there in New York City for
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  her senior year? Answer yes, she did. Question what school
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  did she go to? Answer? She went to redacted. Question
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  what is redacted? Answer? They cater to individuals who want
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  to pursue careers in the arts. Question have you reviewed
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  records from redacted? Answer yes. Question if you could turn
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  to slide seventeen, can you please explain for the Grand
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  Jerry what we're looking at here? Answer? This is an
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  excerpt from Redacted's application to Redacted on it's listed. Who
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  is financially responsible for her? And that's Jeffrey Epstein? Question
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  from what a Redacted told you? Did Maxwell encourage Redacted
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  to accept Epstein's financial help? Answer yes. Question when Redacted
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  moved to New York City, who is she living with? Answer?
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  She lived with her mother and brother in Redacted's apartment.
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  Question did Epstein help pay for her rent? Answer? He did?
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  Question during that year her senior year of high school,
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  when she was in New York City, did Redacted or
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  remain in contact with Epstein? Answer yes. Question what was
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  the nature of their contact like during this per Answer
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  during this time, he was still sexually abusing her. Question
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  did that continue to occur in his townhouse in Manhattan
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  that year? Answer yes, it did. Question what happened at
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  the end of her senior year of high school. Answer,
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  she moved to Los Angeles to pursue a career in acting.
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  Question did she get a job as an actress when
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  she was eighteen? Answer she did. Question has redacted lived
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  in Los Angeles and worked as an actress on a
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  television ever since? Then? Answer yes. Question after she moved
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  to Ala, did she continue being in touch with Epstein?
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  Answer for a short period of time. Question did she
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  ultimately break contact with them? Answer yes, she did. Question
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  is redacted currently pursuing a civil lawsuit against Maxwell and
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  Epstein's estate? Answer yes. Question have you talked with redacted
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  about whether when she was a teenage girl, when all
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  of this was happening, whether she told anyone that she
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  was being sexually abused? Answer yes, She said she didn't
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  tell anyone. She felt like she couldn't. There was nothing
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  talked about outside of that room, so it made it
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  so that she couldn't talk about it. And then she
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  also her mother is Middle Eastern, and her mother raised
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  her that women are supposed to do what they're told,
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  even if someone's beating you. And when she was thirteen
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  and her father passed, she was she went to a
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  guidance counselor at school to talk about it, and her
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  mother found out about it and spacked her, so she
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  felt like she couldn't talk to anyone about it. Question
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  did redacted's mother encourage her to accept Epstein's financial assistance? Answer? Yes,
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  she did. All right, folks, we're going to wrap up
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  this episode right here, and in the next episode dealing
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  with the topic, we're gonna pick up where we left off.
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