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The Empire Never Left Africa | Jerm Warfare · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: My name is Jim. This is Germ Warfare, the Battle
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Speaker 1: of Ideas Beady Lawton. As always, thank you for joining
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Speaker 1: me in the trenches.
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Speaker 2: Thanks so much for talking to me again, Joan.
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Speaker 1: I love talking to you. The knowledge that you have
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Speaker 1: on on Africa is second to none.
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Speaker 2: There's only one reason for that, and that's because of
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Speaker 2: what I've been reading. So anybody can read that two
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Speaker 2: wonderful books that I'm read at the moment, which are
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Speaker 2: making sense of everything that's been going on, and those
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Speaker 2: two of Eban Barlow's books, War for Africa and Executive
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Speaker 2: Outcomes Against All Odds, So you'll find absolute treasure trove
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Speaker 2: of information. And as I've been saying previously, you know
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Speaker 2: a missing piece of the puzzle, and it all makes
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Speaker 2: sense once you read those books. So yeah, thank you,
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Speaker 2: thank you for the compliment.
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Speaker 1: No, but it also helps that you are African. I mean,
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Speaker 1: like me, we're both from South Africa, although you don't
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Speaker 1: live in South Africa anymore. I hope you come visit.
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Speaker 1: By the way.
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Speaker 2: Well, I have traveled a bit and I am planning
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Speaker 2: to come back for a visit in South Africa. But
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Speaker 2: I have been to a few African countries, and it
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Speaker 2: does help, as you say, because I think many people
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Speaker 2: who've never been to an African country have preconceptions of
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Speaker 2: what it's like.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's exactly right what you're saying. Africa is
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Speaker 1: a beast on its own. It's extremely difficult to explain
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Speaker 1: to average westerner. It's a very very complicated. It's I
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Speaker 1: suppose in many ways it's like trying to explain China
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Speaker 1: to somebody who hasn't been there.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's just there's been so much I think
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Speaker 2: a lot of the problem is there's been so much
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Speaker 2: propaganda put out there. You know, there's still is, and
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Speaker 2: people are presented with all the negative stuff. You know,
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Speaker 2: if they get if you've got Africa on the news
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Speaker 2: in the UK, it's because there's a war or a famine,
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Speaker 2: not because, you know, they they've got a three hundred
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Speaker 2: and twenty kilometer an our high speed train in Morocco.
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Speaker 2: It's because there's a war or a famine. And so
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Speaker 2: people assume that it's an extremely violent continent and that
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Speaker 2: there's chronic levels of poverty absolutely every year everywhere, which
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Speaker 2: there aren't. You know, there's a lot of prosperity. There's
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Speaker 2: a lot of great stuff happening all the time. There's
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Speaker 2: a lot of innovation, a lot of great things happening,
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Speaker 2: but we just never hear about them.
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Speaker 1: We don't. And and as somebody who lives in Cape Town,
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Speaker 1: which is right at the very bottom tip of the
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Speaker 1: African continent, it is exceptionally beautiful. Yeah you you know
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Speaker 1: Cape Town, and you'll agree with me. It's a it's
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Speaker 1: a magical city.
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Speaker 2: South Africa is a magical country. It's it's unbelievably beautiful,
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Speaker 2: It's got the most amazing climate, it's there's so many
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Speaker 2: things going.
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Speaker 1: From Kruger Kruger. Kruger is one of the best places
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Speaker 1: in the world.
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Speaker 2: True, this is true. Yeah, So don't tell everyone because
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Speaker 2: they'll all be trying to go there.
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Speaker 1: We go to the Kruger National Park every year. We
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Speaker 1: were just there months ago in fact. Yeah, we love going.
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Speaker 1: There's a lot of people like to say that Disney
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Speaker 1: is the happiest place in the world. I will contest
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Speaker 1: that and argue that the Kruger National Park is.
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Speaker 2: My favorite is the Drakensburg and yeah, yeah, yeah, mountains
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Speaker 2: that hum, it's incredible place.
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Speaker 1: So I'm trying to find a segue because we're going
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Speaker 1: to chat about something somewhat darker. But I guess, I
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Speaker 1: guess the link is the following. Africa has a lot
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Speaker 1: of problems, there's no doubt about that. And as you
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Speaker 1: have argued in a number of your articles, a lot
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Speaker 1: of those authors have been around for over a century,
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Speaker 1: maybe longer, and those authors are not necessarily African.
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Speaker 2: Do you mean the authors of the chaos correct? Hmm, yes, indeed,
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Speaker 2: it's the same players, it's the same actors, it's the
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Speaker 2: same program running. It's been running for decades and nothing
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Speaker 2: really ever changes. So once you can identify it and
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Speaker 2: isolate it, you can you can cut through the smoke
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Speaker 2: and mirrors. So so you know, we give you this.
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Speaker 1: Let me give you a foundational, foundational talking point here
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Speaker 1: on which we can continue. Right. So here in South Africa,
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Speaker 1: we have the ANC. Everybody around the world knows the
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Speaker 1: African National Congress. They've been in power since nine ninety four,
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Speaker 1: profoundly corrupt in many ways. And then we also have
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Speaker 1: Judas Malemma. We have the EFF which is the third
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Speaker 1: largest political party, and and anybody who knows anything about
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Speaker 1: him will know his rhetoric, immensely violent rhetoric, killing farmers,
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Speaker 1: killing the boor constant constant attacks, verbal attacks on agriculture,
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Speaker 1: on the agricultural sector, on farming, and basically on the
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Speaker 1: heart of the South African economy, and that I'm guessing
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Speaker 1: from your research is not organic.
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Speaker 2: I've got a recording era coming up on my end?
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Speaker 2: Is it okay with you?
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Speaker 1: Let me just have a quick look before we continue.
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Speaker 1: I what does what does it say? It might not
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Speaker 1: be from.
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Speaker 2: Me because okay, I'll ignore it.
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Speaker 1: It does look like everything is still fine. Okay, No,
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Speaker 1: it says it's fine.
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Speaker 2: Okay, I'll just carry on and you can edit that.
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Speaker 2: Yere so okay, So the eff junius Malemma. What what
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Speaker 2: is alarming, you know, is the number of people in
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Speaker 2: other African countries who applaud him and what the movement
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Speaker 2: is doing. You know, they misguided, They mislead about its
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Speaker 2: origins and what Malemma actually stands for. So uh, you know,
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Speaker 2: go back to when economic freedom fighters came to prominence,
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Speaker 2: and that was after an event we know is Mauricana,
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Speaker 2: and Maricana was for people who aren't familiar with it,
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Speaker 2: the miners at a mine called Lonro Platinum Mine were
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Speaker 2: protesting and it turned out that a few of them
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Speaker 2: were armed. The police came out. South African police came
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Speaker 2: out to put the protests down, and they ended up
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Speaker 2: shooting a number of the miners dead.
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Speaker 1: I met one of them.
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Speaker 2: On one of the miners, or.
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Speaker 1: The policeman, one of the miners who survived.
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Speaker 2: Tell me, that is very interesting. What did he say happened?
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Speaker 2: Because it all sounds like false flag to me.
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Speaker 1: Well, he he was detained. But the whole operation is
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Speaker 1: very murky, that's for sure. There is a lot of
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Speaker 1: false claims, and so I don't quite know exactly what happened.
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Speaker 1: But but I but I from what he said, he
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Speaker 1: was he was detained for about two weeks and they
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Speaker 1: didn't tell him why.
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Speaker 2: Detained, so he couldn't talk to others, he couldn't talk
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Speaker 2: to the press. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So the whole thing
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Speaker 2: smacks of false flag operation. So I have heard that
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Speaker 2: there were snipers in the vicinity and it was actually
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Speaker 2: mineers who were killed were killed by snipers shot. Whether
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Speaker 2: or not that's true, I don't know. But you know,
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Speaker 2: it's so interesting because what that event did. It kickstarted
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Speaker 2: a new generation of anti government, anti state sentiment. And
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Speaker 2: the thing is okay that the whole operation was kind
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Speaker 2: of to remind people of Soweto, you know, with the
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Speaker 2: Sueto uprising and the police shot a number of children
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Speaker 2: in a protest. So I reckon that was a setup
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Speaker 2: and it was to escalate the advance of Julius Malema.
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Speaker 2: Very interesting. You know the mine where it happened Lonro,
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Speaker 2: that stands for London Rhodesian Mining, and that corporation was
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Speaker 2: set up by a businessman, a very rogue individual called
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Speaker 2: Tiny Rowland. Tiny Rowland had high connections, connections and high
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Speaker 2: places to the London establishment and Tiny Rowland was the
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Speaker 2: conduit for all the diamonds in Angola that were being
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Speaker 2: secured by the funding of a anti government force called Unita,
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Speaker 2: and Unita were paying in diamonds. The people who benefited
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Speaker 2: from that whole horrendous and very lengthy period of civil
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Speaker 2: war in Angola with the diamond dealers primarily Bears. The
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Speaker 2: Bears is it used to be. It is no longer
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Speaker 2: the major diamond dealing corporation in the world. So that
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Speaker 2: link is like very very interesting that the the mind
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Speaker 2: that where it happened was Lonro, which is Tiny Rowland.
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Speaker 2: Going back to Angola, going back to diamonds. So then
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Speaker 2: along comes this guy, Julius Milema. His nickname is bad Juju.
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Speaker 2: He has a lot of other nicknames by people who
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Speaker 2: see what he is and seriously don't like him. But
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Speaker 2: unfortunately he has a big following because South Africa has
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Speaker 2: followed a neoliberal economic model that's followed the Western model,
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Speaker 2: and it has left vast majority of the population behind.
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Speaker 2: The unemployment in South Africa officially, I'm not quite sure
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Speaker 2: what they're saying. It is now forty five percent, but
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Speaker 2: I have heard sixty percent in real time unemployment. So
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Speaker 2: you have huge numbers of people living in serious poverty.
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Speaker 2: You've got a growing urban populations. Urban populations to go
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Speaker 2: to the cities for work and find that there isn't
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Speaker 2: any So you have a very serious situation. And you
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Speaker 2: have at the same time, what has been happening under
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Speaker 2: the NC government and not just ANC politicians but the
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Speaker 2: many parts of the political class, is the erosion of
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Speaker 2: South Africa's economy, and South Africa's economy is now an
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Speaker 2: absolute basker case. But all the time you have in
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Speaker 2: the Western media, international media and South African media, you
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Speaker 2: have this denial of what's going on. I don't know
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Speaker 2: about you, Jerm, but I'm staggered by the state of corruption,
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Speaker 2: you know, the state of how things have been eroded.
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Speaker 2: And when you say that, you will find people coming
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Speaker 2: in immediately and saying, oh, you're defending a part height.
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Speaker 2: You're not defending a partheate by saying that under a
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Speaker 2: party the economy ran very smoothly. It not because of
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Speaker 2: a part heate, but because the National Party, which I
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Speaker 2: am not promoting by saying this, adhere to the principles
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Speaker 2: of physical economy. They ran the country like like all
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Speaker 2: countries used to run old school fashion, where you build roads,
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Speaker 2: you put things on an upward trajectory. You build, you
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Speaker 2: have technological progress, you have a dedication to sciences and
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Speaker 2: the schools.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, can I jump in the PD. It frustrates
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Speaker 1: me that we need to always add a disclaimer we're
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Speaker 1: not defending a partet or we're not defending the NP.
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Speaker 1: It's frustrating that we have to do this. This is
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Speaker 1: part of history and it is nonetheless true the current
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Speaker 1: the current government is severely corrupt, and it's okay to
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Speaker 1: say that the previous government was efficient. It doesn't mean
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Speaker 1: that everything else was great. We had very high inflation
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Speaker 1: and very high interest rates. I mean, twenty five percent
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Speaker 1: interest rates is almost it makes it impossible to buy
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Speaker 1: a house. It wasn't a great time, but there was
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Speaker 1: still a lot of efficiency. And I'm just what I'm
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Speaker 1: trying to say is I don't think there's a need
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Speaker 1: to add a disclaimer.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know you almost have to because you
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Speaker 2: get attacked as we are both white people. And then
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Speaker 2: it's under the assumption, you know that we must somehow
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Speaker 2: be defending the former government. So, you know, getting back
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Speaker 2: to Malemma, so he has a very ripe feeding ground.
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Speaker 2: The number of people who will say, okay, our only
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Speaker 2: hope for actual real change in this country lies with
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Speaker 2: Malemma and the f F who are saying that there
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Speaker 2: must be an equal sharing of the riches of the land.
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Speaker 2: You know, we must all have a part to play
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Speaker 2: in this in our economy a lot. I think quite
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Speaker 2: recently the e f F has started falling apart quite
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Speaker 2: quite dramatically, and one of the Malema's second in command,
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Speaker 2: Floyd Schevumbu, he's defected to m K party. M K
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Speaker 2: being contus were Jacob Zuma so.
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Speaker 1: Which actually is the name of the of the former
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Speaker 1: military wing of the a n C.
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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, now just abbreviated the m K. So there's
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Speaker 2: a lot to say about Zuma. Let me just come
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Speaker 2: back to to not forget my point. So you know,
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Speaker 2: we can call, we can look at Malema and say, okay,
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Speaker 2: he he has been given an open playing field. He
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Speaker 2: has got so many, so much of the population who
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Speaker 2: are desperate for change. Why are they desperate for change
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Speaker 2: because after all the horrendous years of A Part eight
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Speaker 2: under the National Party, they have seen very very little change.
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Speaker 2: In fact, for I would say that the majority of
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Speaker 2: finding it more difficult now than under those years of
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Speaker 2: A parteight in terms of just the economy working, being
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Speaker 2: able together and to get some form of employment. So
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Speaker 2: Milemma is a creation. I call him a synthetic revolutionary
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Speaker 2: because he is. He's very he's very revolutionary in his style.
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Speaker 2: You know, his his the color red, the red cap,
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Speaker 2: the red overalls, you know, the his oration in front
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Speaker 2: of crowds. And of course one thing he always does
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Speaker 2: is he targets the Afrikaan population, the white people, and
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Speaker 2: says that the failing state of South Africa is due
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Speaker 2: to the whites, the white monopoly capital and that that
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Speaker 2: is the reason that there's so much poverty and that
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Speaker 2: everyone in South Africa is not on having a good
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Speaker 2: standard of living. You know, coming back to that, why
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Speaker 2: on Earth is South Africa not on an equal thing
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Speaker 2: with anywhere in the West. You know, why must it
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Speaker 2: be that in South Africa you have these horrendous levels
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Speaker 2: of poverty. There's no reason whatsoever South Africa has enough
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Speaker 2: wealth to support a decent standard of living for everyone.
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Speaker 2: There's no reason why there should be that huge class
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Speaker 2: of people who are struggling so much. Okay, so Milemma,
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Speaker 2: Now who created Malemma? How did he get to be
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Speaker 2: where he is? And why what you have? And it's
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Speaker 2: not just South Africa, it's you can see it in
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Speaker 2: so many countries across the continent. And you have a
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Speaker 2: creation of it's liberation ideology. Okay, So liberation ideology. You
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Speaker 2: have a revolutionary, synthetic revolutionary who comes into an impoverished
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Speaker 2: population and says to them, come with me, we will
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Speaker 2: fight this revolution, we will overthrow the government and then
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Speaker 2: we will all share in the riches of the land.
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Speaker 2: It's exactly what U less Malemma has done in South Africa.
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Speaker 2: And he, you know, he the whole point of his
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Speaker 2: thing of division. If you look at the division he's
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Speaker 2: caused within South African society to a degree. I mean
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Speaker 2: it's hyped by the media, dramatically hyped by the media.
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Speaker 2: But his role is to divide. It's to target one
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Speaker 2: part of the population against another and then say come
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Speaker 2: with me and once I am in government, we will
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Speaker 2: all share in the riches of South Africa. So Milemma
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Speaker 2: comes to prominence and eff come to prominence after Americana.
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Speaker 2: And we look at today, come back to today and
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Speaker 2: look at what is happening to the A and C.
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Speaker 2: It's quite obvious that there is a regime change operation
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Speaker 2: underway in South Africa to get rid of the A
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Speaker 2: and C. If you look at what's happening on the
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Speaker 2: social media, if you look at what's happening on the
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Speaker 2: various channels YouTube channels that are rising eminence, particularly one
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Speaker 2: in particular called The Truth Report. Now, they have a
20:06
Speaker 2: lot of very interesting guests on that show, and they
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Speaker 2: have a lot of very interesting material. But if you
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Speaker 2: stand back and you ask yourself what is the point
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Speaker 2: of this, you will have to come to the conclusion
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Speaker 2: they are running regime change against a and C. Now
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Speaker 2: they're justified in doing that because the A and C
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Speaker 2: is disgustingly corrupt. It is, you know, run by a
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Speaker 2: bunch of criminals who do not care for the population
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Speaker 2: of South Africa, who are enriching themselves and doing very little,
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Speaker 2: you know, to a large extent, not all of them,
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Speaker 2: but to a large extent. So you see that regime change.
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Speaker 2: There's justification for it because if you were to ask me,
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Speaker 2: you know, do you want regime change in South Africa,
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Speaker 2: I'd say most certainly. But the point, and it's such
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Speaker 2: a critical and important point, this is not what is
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Speaker 2: happening across the field is not an attack on the
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Speaker 2: A and C. It's an attack on the state. And
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Speaker 2: I can't stress that point enough. It doesn't matter to
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Speaker 2: them whatever party comes in, whether it's another coalition or
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Speaker 2: the DA or the EFF for whoever it is, or MK,
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Speaker 2: that is irrelevant. What they are actually doing is attacking
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Speaker 2: the state. They're attacking government. Why they're doing that is
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Speaker 2: because I think, in my theory is they want to
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Speaker 2: bring in some kind of private sector rule. So they
21:56
Speaker 2: want to present to the population your government can't run
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Speaker 2: the water services, they can't run the electricity. They can't
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Speaker 2: run ESCOM, they can't do the roads, they can't do
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Speaker 2: the railways, they can't do education, they can't do anything.
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Speaker 2: They are proving by the day that fact more and more. Therefore,
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Speaker 2: we are going to say, let a corporation run your
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Speaker 2: privatized electricity network. There's a corporation run your education services.
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Speaker 2: There's a corporation run your water. And that whole shift
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Speaker 2: towards private sector rule, private sector government is actually definition
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Speaker 2: of fascism. I reckon is their aim, that's the goal.
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Speaker 2: It fits very well when you think what's happening in
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Speaker 2: Europe up in the UK. So any undermining of the
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Speaker 2: political party and the showing up of the levels of corruption,
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Speaker 2: which is very easily done here in the UK, is
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Speaker 2: not an attack on the party. It's an attack on
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Speaker 2: the state. And the state is the seat of sovereignty.
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Speaker 1: Now sorry, sorry, I just jump in there. And that
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Speaker 1: attack is about destabilizing and controlling from outside.
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Speaker 2: Yes, from outside, but they are there are so much
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Speaker 2: within the country. I mean, South Africa has never been sovereign.
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Speaker 2: It has never been a sovereign country at all. When
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Speaker 2: we go back to Jacob Zuma a minute, and we
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Speaker 2: can explain later to your audience what happened with Jacob
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Speaker 2: Zuma and his years of government. But the key thing
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Speaker 2: is that part of the operation to destroy Zoomer's reputation,
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Speaker 2: to assassinate and politically was this term state capture. Now
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Speaker 2: why did they come up with the term state capture?
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Speaker 2: It's fascinating. You know, former British Ambassador, Lord Robin Rennick
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Speaker 2: wrote a book about it. He was Ambassador to South Africa,
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Speaker 2: British Ambassador and he wrote a book called how to
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Speaker 2: Steal a Country and that was about the supposed state
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Speaker 2: capture under the Zuma government. If you look at why
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Speaker 2: they chose that phrase, you can then begin to understand
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Speaker 2: because South Africa's economy and its politics have always been
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Speaker 2: in a state of capture since its origin, and that
24:57
Speaker 2: has always been the problem. You know, Zuma's response to
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Speaker 2: a term white monopoly capital, he said, well that we
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Speaker 2: do have a state of monopoly capital in South Africa,
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Speaker 2: and in South Africa it happens to be white, which
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Speaker 2: is true. You know, they're bringing people like Patrice Mutzepi
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Speaker 2: and give a black face to the mining. That state
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Speaker 2: capture goes back to the time of Cecil John Rhodes.
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Speaker 2: It goes back to the mining houses, Anglo American, the beers,
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Speaker 2: the Oppenheimer family, you know, Cecil John Rhodes was he
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Speaker 2: considered Rothschild. Here we go to the Bank of England,
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Speaker 2: Nathan Mayer Rothschild. He considered Rothschild. He spoke of him
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Speaker 2: in terms of he called him his master. So Rothschild
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Speaker 2: finance all of Rhodes's operations Roads in return left everything
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Speaker 2: to Rothschild in his will. So the capture of South
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Speaker 2: Africa's resources, it's never been anything else, you know, It's
26:17
Speaker 2: always been that same network, Oppenheimer Oppenheimer network who have
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Speaker 2: controlled the resources of South Africa, and the Oppenheimers are
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Speaker 2: connected to the City of London, Wall Street financiers very
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Speaker 2: much a key part of it. In fact, I think
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Speaker 2: it is never stressed enough how much South Africa's wealth
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Speaker 2: paid for the the you know, the state of the
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Speaker 2: of the British Empire. They really financed it. South Africa's
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Speaker 2: mineral wealth financed the large parts of of of of
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Speaker 2: their operation. We get to sticky ground, you know when
27:14
Speaker 2: we talk about things like that. But historically it's uh,
27:20
Speaker 2: it's you know, it's not a conspiracy theory. It's definitely
27:25
Speaker 2: a conspiracy because they wrote about this themselves, you know,
27:30
Speaker 2: Carol Quigley's Anglo American Establishment. I have a great, great
27:36
Speaker 2: little book. It's a it's a very old book. It's
27:38
Speaker 2: called The Secret History of South Africa, written by hr
27:42
Speaker 2: Abercrombie and it's, you know, it documents how that network
27:51
Speaker 2: managed to gain control of all the mineral wealth and
27:54
Speaker 2: keep it within a very small circle, which of course
27:58
Speaker 2: was why the first and second Boer Wars happened, because
28:03
Speaker 2: they discovered that the Boors were on land containing all
28:09
Speaker 2: the golden diamonds, and of course they wanted that, so
28:12
Speaker 2: they engineered the Boar was so yeah, historically it has
28:17
Speaker 2: always been a case of state capture. So what happened
28:21
Speaker 2: with Jacob Zuma he came in, came into power, and
28:28
Speaker 2: he could see this, he could recognize it that although
28:33
Speaker 2: after nineteen ninety four and the end of a party
28:37
Speaker 2: eight South Africans had they could vote, you know, everyone
28:43
Speaker 2: could vote. After that, they had political sovereignty, but they
28:48
Speaker 2: didn't have sovereignty in any other form, only the power
28:52
Speaker 2: to vote. And what Zuma wanted to say, but you know,
28:57
Speaker 2: there's a lot of you have duty of reserve when
29:00
Speaker 2: you're in government. There's so many things you can't say,
29:03
Speaker 2: but what he wanted to say was that the South
29:07
Speaker 2: African Reserve Bank would not release money for operations and
29:16
Speaker 2: programs that would benefit South Africa's economy, so that the
29:23
Speaker 2: keys to South African state finances were always in the
29:28
Speaker 2: hands of this oligarchy. You have people like the governor
29:41
Speaker 2: of the Reserve Bank, Titom Boweni, direct links to Rothschild,
29:45
Speaker 2: you know, like Macron in France. They come from the
29:49
Speaker 2: same fabric, same background. And this was one of Zumer's
29:56
Speaker 2: key things, which is why he fought tooth and nail
30:00
Speaker 2: for South Africa to join the brick and then become
30:03
Speaker 2: the s and bricks. He really saw an opportunity there
30:09
Speaker 2: for South Africa to become a truly sovereign country if
30:14
Speaker 2: they aligned with Brazil, Russia, India and China. This is
30:20
Speaker 2: going back sometime and then you remember what actually happened
30:23
Speaker 2: in those years, what happened to Jim Rusaf in Brazil
30:29
Speaker 2: and operation that they conducted against her, and what happened
30:35
Speaker 2: to Jacob Zuma. You know, there's a lot you can
30:38
Speaker 2: say about the corruption and the levels of corruption, And
30:42
Speaker 2: I don't think that I was entirely correct in standing
30:48
Speaker 2: up for him as much as I did, because I
30:53
Speaker 2: hadn't appreciated the level of corruption. But I do think
30:56
Speaker 2: he was trying to give control to the Gupta brothers
31:00
Speaker 2: so to get them away from the South African oligarchy.
31:06
Speaker 2: He saw them as a new source of readily available
31:11
Speaker 2: income of cash. So anyway, that program actually run against.
31:16
Speaker 1: So yeah, actually I think that I think that there's
31:19
Speaker 1: a lot of propaganda around the Guptas.
31:22
Speaker 2: Okay, that's interesting, that's interesting.
31:26
Speaker 1: I think I could have they could have played a
31:29
Speaker 1: role in helping South Africa's energy situation, I think, but
31:33
Speaker 1: that's a complicated discussion.
31:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, they had, I mean a lot of access to
31:39
Speaker 2: Indian money and and just you know, for people who forget,
31:42
Speaker 2: there's a huge Indian origin part of South Africa's population,
31:48
Speaker 2: so you know, there is a good link there in
31:51
Speaker 2: terms of something beneficial. Anyway, so that whole thing against Suma,
32:01
Speaker 2: they said that Suma was conducting state capture and that
32:06
Speaker 2: he was attempting to capture the institutions South Africa's state
32:12
Speaker 2: institutions like the media and the judiciary. Those institutions were
32:18
Speaker 2: already captured by South Africa's oligarchy, you know, the London connection,
32:24
Speaker 2: the Wall Street City of London connection. They were already
32:26
Speaker 2: they still are. South Africa's media, one can plainly see,
32:32
Speaker 2: is purely a mouthpiece of establishment. So I always think
32:39
Speaker 2: back to that term, you know, state capture, and I
32:42
Speaker 2: think why did they choose that term? Because they chose
32:45
Speaker 2: that term. And then of course that whole operation against
32:50
Speaker 2: Suma was an operation against the bricks, just the same
32:55
Speaker 2: as happened to other countries. You know, that whole operation
32:59
Speaker 2: was the un mind what the bricks are trying to do.
33:04
Speaker 2: So getting back to Malama. Okay, there used to be
33:09
Speaker 2: a photo on the internet. You can't see it anymore,
33:14
Speaker 2: but it was a photo of Milammas sitting in Chathamhouse.
33:19
Speaker 2: Chathamhouse is the kind of seat of British intelligence. You
33:25
Speaker 2: aren't allowed to speak about anything that you have spoken
33:28
Speaker 2: about in Chathamhouse. Chathamhouse rules is total silence on what
33:33
Speaker 2: goes on. So what was Malama, opposition party member doing
33:40
Speaker 2: in Chathamhouse? You know, that's always very interesting to me.
33:44
Speaker 2: Why do they why do they host opposition parties to
33:48
Speaker 2: the level that they do and don't forget. You know,
33:52
Speaker 2: Britain was so supportive of the ANC. Very interesting. You know, Russia,
34:00
Speaker 2: the Soviet the Soviet Union armed and see and trained them.
34:06
Speaker 2: Britain supported them on every other level, So very very
34:12
Speaker 2: interesting connection. But getting back to Chathamhouse, so you have
34:15
Speaker 2: this photo and on one side of Melema is Robin Rennick,
34:22
Speaker 2: the former British Ambassador to South Africa, the man who
34:25
Speaker 2: wrote that book, Robin Rennick, representing City of London interests
34:32
Speaker 2: in his role. And the other side was a member
34:36
Speaker 2: of a very famous South African family who in effect
34:42
Speaker 2: represents the mining sector, the South African oligarchy. So that picture,
34:49
Speaker 2: like they say, a picture tells a thousand words, that
34:52
Speaker 2: picture says everything about Julius Malema's creation. So he was
34:59
Speaker 2: put in. He was created to sew discontent and to
35:05
Speaker 2: give the population a route to think that if they
35:14
Speaker 2: vote for these people, then they will have a share
35:19
Speaker 2: in everything in South Africa, which was never ever going
35:22
Speaker 2: to be the case. It simply wasn't a totally synthetic revolutionary.
35:29
Speaker 2: But he has fooled so many people.
35:35
Speaker 1: Sorry, have I lost you there?
35:38
Speaker 2: No?
35:39
Speaker 1: I just oh right, you're back, okay, So what you're
35:45
Speaker 1: arguing ultimately, PD is that the chaos that we see
35:51
Speaker 1: across Africa is synthetic, to use your word. It is
35:58
Speaker 1: not by accident, and it's part of a network that's
36:05
Speaker 1: centered in London, Washington, and it has its feelers across
36:14
Speaker 1: multiple countries. And as a result, it becomes very messy
36:18
Speaker 1: because the African leadership, African leaders themselves become privy to it,
36:26
Speaker 1: and so they become a part of the Yes, they
36:29
Speaker 1: become a part of the problem.
36:32
Speaker 2: They get on the gravy train. So this concept of
36:38
Speaker 2: milemma promising the riches of the land, this is liberation ideology.
36:45
Speaker 2: That liberation ideology. You can track that right back to
36:49
Speaker 2: the French Revolution. So you had the French Revolution. Actually
36:58
Speaker 2: there were many very good aristocrats, French aristocrats who could
37:04
Speaker 2: see the need for change in France. I believe the
37:07
Speaker 2: leader was Lafayette, the one who went to America and
37:11
Speaker 2: spoke to the Americans. But that whole French Revolution was
37:16
Speaker 2: undermined by the City of London networks, one could say,
37:20
Speaker 2: the British Empire. And what they did was they created
37:24
Speaker 2: the Jacobin mobs, who then took over what should have
37:29
Speaker 2: been a good and just revolution, like the American Revolution.
37:35
Speaker 2: They undermined it and they bought in what one can
37:41
Speaker 2: call the death of reason. This was with the cult
37:44
Speaker 2: of reason, these Jacobin forces who were completely out of control.
37:51
Speaker 2: They were bloodthirsty, they were completely uneducated. They destroyed so
38:01
Speaker 2: much of the good that should have happened, so that
38:05
Speaker 2: liberation theology is ongoing today. Now. If I go to
38:11
Speaker 2: Sierra Leone, which is a country in West Africa, I
38:15
Speaker 2: think most people will have heard of it. They may
38:17
Speaker 2: have seen the film Blood Diamonds, very famous Hollywood film with.
38:23
Speaker 1: Leonardo DiCaprio, which I thought, I actually thought he did
38:26
Speaker 1: quite well in that movie. It's a great it's a
38:30
Speaker 1: great film. I don't know if you know. But he
38:32
Speaker 1: had a voice coach because of our accent that he
38:35
Speaker 1: needed to try and mimic, and his voice coach actually
38:39
Speaker 1: came from Zimbabwe, and I think, I think I'll give
38:42
Speaker 1: him credit. He did quite well with the accent.
38:45
Speaker 2: I think he did very well. There's a few times
38:48
Speaker 2: when you can hear him slipping back. Yah. It's a
38:52
Speaker 2: great film, but a total piece of propaganda, a very
38:55
Speaker 2: interesting piece of propaganda. So okay, So if we go now,
39:00
Speaker 2: that concept of the synthetic revolutionaries. You had the exact
39:06
Speaker 2: same thing in the mid nineteen nineties in Sierra Lone,
39:11
Speaker 2: the most horrendous and brutal civil war that has ever
39:16
Speaker 2: occurred on the continent. And when you can appreciate just
39:21
Speaker 2: how brutal some of these insurgencies and wars are and
39:25
Speaker 2: have been, and then you say, actually the one that
39:28
Speaker 2: happened in Sierra Leone was by far the worst. It
39:31
Speaker 2: really is saying something. You know, a quarter of the
39:35
Speaker 2: population died in that war. A quarter of the population died.
39:40
Speaker 2: So you had the creation and again, Sierra Leone was
39:45
Speaker 2: about diamonds. So backtracking here to Angola, to tiny Rowland, Lonro,
39:51
Speaker 2: creation of Milama, Sierra Leone was all about diamonds. It's
39:55
Speaker 2: about gaining access to resources within a d stabilized environment,
40:03
Speaker 2: because then you have what has been described as utopian
40:07
Speaker 2: level deregulation for the mining industries. So Sierra Leone was
40:13
Speaker 2: purely about diamonds. And you had the creation of a militia,
40:20
Speaker 2: a revolutionary group called the Revolutionary United from the r UF.
40:27
Speaker 2: So the RUF were presented by the media, they were
40:35
Speaker 2: presented by the for public consumption, Okay, as the revolutionaries
40:44
Speaker 2: who tried to overthrow the corrupt Sierra Leonian government, which
40:49
Speaker 2: they were They would destroy the economy, and the r
40:54
Speaker 2: UF were promising Sierra Leonians on the face of it,
40:59
Speaker 2: they were promising them share in the riches of the land.
41:05
Speaker 2: So I just want to read you. There's a documentary
41:11
Speaker 2: was made. It was it was aired at the Cahntes
41:15
Speaker 2: Film Festival and it was celebrated. It's still celebrated to
41:20
Speaker 2: this day. It's a documentary called Empire in Africa and
41:25
Speaker 2: it was produced by a French guy director called Philip Dyers.
41:30
Speaker 2: It's still misleading people. It's still misleading some very people
41:37
Speaker 2: who should be better informed as to what happened in
41:41
Speaker 2: Sierra Leon and during that time. That's how powerful the
41:45
Speaker 2: whole idea of propaganda is. You know that it can
41:50
Speaker 2: influence people. It influenced me. Okay, So I watched that
41:53
Speaker 2: documentary many years ago and I thought, ah, right, that's it.
41:58
Speaker 2: This is what's happened in Sierra Leone. And in that
42:00
Speaker 2: civil war, the RUF were the good guys. They came in.
42:04
Speaker 2: They were going to overthrow the evil, corrupt government of
42:08
Speaker 2: Sierra Leone and create a nequitable society where everyone could
42:14
Speaker 2: share in the riches of the land, and I completely
42:18
Speaker 2: believed it. I swallowed it until I started reading what
42:24
Speaker 2: I'm reading currently, which are these two books by Ivan Baralow,
42:28
Speaker 2: and I realized that everything that I had believed about
42:31
Speaker 2: it was complete b s. So that film, that documentary
42:37
Speaker 2: Empire in Africa, Okay, that this is what cont festival
42:43
Speaker 2: can't film festival said about it. The rebels who started
42:46
Speaker 2: the civil war in Sierra Leone fifteen years ago wanted
42:50
Speaker 2: only one thing, to reclaim the richness of the country
42:53
Speaker 2: from foreign corporations in order to end the exploitation of
42:57
Speaker 2: its people. In response, the Internet community decided to wage
43:01
Speaker 2: war in this country with bombs, executions, torture, rigged elections,
43:06
Speaker 2: and manipulation of the international media. This created one of
43:10
Speaker 2: the worst humanitarian disasters of the twentieth century. Okay, So
43:15
Speaker 2: that isn't that is the standard official narrative about that
43:19
Speaker 2: that civil war. If you said to any Sierra Leonian,
43:25
Speaker 2: what do you think of that documentary and what do
43:28
Speaker 2: you think of that whole concept of the RUF being
43:32
Speaker 2: the good guys coming to save Sierra Leonians, they would vomit.
43:38
Speaker 2: I know that for fact because I've asked a number
43:41
Speaker 2: of them. They find it completely abhorrent because the real
43:45
Speaker 2: story of what happened in their country has never really
43:49
Speaker 2: been told. So you have this enormous perception modification going on,
43:59
Speaker 2: done through the role of high LIVELD documentaries, Hollywood films,
44:04
Speaker 2: the media and its perception modification. We talked about that
44:09
Speaker 2: previously with Bokoharam in Nigeria and how that the whole
44:15
Speaker 2: thing of what's happening in Nigeria right now is presented
44:18
Speaker 2: as an Islamic state fighting for their caliphate, that it's
44:24
Speaker 2: a religious war. You've got the Islamists fighting the Christians
44:29
Speaker 2: and that is what is happening, what's causing the chaos
44:32
Speaker 2: in Nigeria. What you see there with that picture is
44:36
Speaker 2: perception modification, complete perception modification, because the only reason there
44:41
Speaker 2: is chaos and cornage in Nigeria right now is because
44:46
Speaker 2: of the mineral resources. Same thing as Sierra Leone. So
44:53
Speaker 2: I don't know if you wanted me to get into
44:55
Speaker 2: that a little bit more. Do you want me to
44:59
Speaker 2: go through that? It is linked, it is length, So
45:06
Speaker 2: the diamonds are okay. So when you have a destabilized country,
45:13
Speaker 2: you have a weakened government. You have a population who
45:17
Speaker 2: are all extremely freed up with government because they cannot
45:20
Speaker 2: secure peace. I mean, one of the basic premises of
45:24
Speaker 2: a happy nation is living in a peaceful country. And
45:26
Speaker 2: when a government can't secure peace, people will turn against
45:30
Speaker 2: the government. That is one of the objectives of destabilizing
45:34
Speaker 2: a country, to turn the nation against the government, whether
45:40
Speaker 2: that government is good or bad. You know, so serial
45:45
Speaker 2: lyone that that civil war started in the mid nineteen nineties.
45:53
Speaker 2: So going back to nineteen ninety five, and this all
45:56
Speaker 2: ties into South Africa. In fact, before I go into
46:00
Speaker 2: that story about Seria leone, I must make a point
46:04
Speaker 2: of South Africa not being a sovereign country and never
46:08
Speaker 2: having been a sovereign country. So South Africa has historically
46:15
Speaker 2: supported rebel movements, any anti government forces and insurgencies against
46:24
Speaker 2: legitimate government. Concrete examples of that. This is South Africa
46:30
Speaker 2: under the National Party. Okay, so this is South Africa
46:32
Speaker 2: under Part eight. They were running projects Speker. Speker Afrikaans
46:40
Speaker 2: for nail. Yeah, So Operation Speker was the destabilization of
46:49
Speaker 2: all the surrounding countries. You had the backing, the creation,
46:56
Speaker 2: the financing and the training of Runamo an insurgency in
47:01
Speaker 2: Mozambique who were there in northern Mozambique fighting against the
47:10
Speaker 2: legitimate government called Frelimo. I think maybe many South Africans
47:15
Speaker 2: will be familiar with this and these names and these terms.
47:20
Speaker 2: But after the end of Portuguese rule, I'm so sorry.
47:29
Speaker 2: After the end of Portuguese rule, you had the Frelimo government.
47:36
Speaker 2: Eduardo Montalani came in and he was the Julie elected
47:41
Speaker 2: first President of Mozambique. You then had, under Project Spaker,
47:47
Speaker 2: the creation of Ronamo discontent in the northern regions of
47:51
Speaker 2: Mozambique to undermine Frelimo under the auspices of fighting communism.
47:59
Speaker 2: Remember this whole thing of destabilization of the territory around
48:05
Speaker 2: South Africa. A party we call it a party in
48:07
Speaker 2: South Africa, so people know this was happening under a
48:10
Speaker 2: national party government. That whole thing was done under the
48:15
Speaker 2: auspices of the Cold War and fighting the Communists. I mean,
48:21
Speaker 2: I don't know about you, but I clearly remember every
48:24
Speaker 2: night on state television prior to nineteen ninety four, we
48:30
Speaker 2: would have this term reiterated to program our minds. The
48:35
Speaker 2: communist terrorist insurgents, that's how they referred to.
48:40
Speaker 1: I was quite young, but I do remember it.
48:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So there was this whole thing of we
48:46
Speaker 2: are fighting communism, we are fighting communism. So you had
48:52
Speaker 2: Ronamo to make Forlima's, for Lima government's life as difficult
48:58
Speaker 2: as possible. You then had South Africa backing UNITA under
49:07
Speaker 2: Jonas in Angola. Jonasivimb was purely there to make the
49:18
Speaker 2: life as difficult as possible for the legitimate government of Angola,
49:23
Speaker 2: the legitimate in Golan government, the mp l A. This
49:27
Speaker 2: was the government you had in the Portuguese colonial rule.
49:32
Speaker 2: And then you had this incredible leader called Augustino Netto, amazing,
49:37
Speaker 2: he was a doctor, he was a poet, an incredible leader.
49:42
Speaker 2: He was the first president of independent Angola. And that
49:49
Speaker 2: was a directive from Henry Kissinger. It was something he
49:53
Speaker 2: said to his task force, the CIA task force, that
49:59
Speaker 2: they see and in to Angola. He said, make the
50:03
Speaker 2: MPLA's life as difficult as possible. This was the whole point.
50:09
Speaker 2: So South Africa fully backed openly. This was known, supported
50:15
Speaker 2: by the un supported by Britain, supported by the entire
50:18
Speaker 2: Western world. South Africa trained worked alongside and armed UNITA.
50:29
Speaker 2: UNITA were in one part of Angola. Remember we're talking
50:34
Speaker 2: very large countries, and they had the support of a
50:40
Speaker 2: an ethnic group. So Vimbi he always he was a
50:45
Speaker 2: very good orator. He fooled a lot of people, and
50:48
Speaker 2: he fooled his Western audiences into thinking that UNITA were
50:54
Speaker 2: fighting for democracy, whereas you had the mp LA who
50:58
Speaker 2: were branded with the communist tag.
51:03
Speaker 1: Where was I I'm sorry, I'm just thinking about that
51:06
Speaker 1: communist tag. Also, wasn't swapoo weren't they also branded with
51:10
Speaker 1: that same that same yes a flag, Yes.
51:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, across the board. So cold war. You know, if
51:18
Speaker 2: if you had this whole thing of the good guys
51:21
Speaker 2: are fighting for democracy, the bad guys are fighting for communism,
51:25
Speaker 2: and it was that simple, that black and white. So
51:29
Speaker 2: that was that was that was unique. Now interestingly enough,
51:36
Speaker 2: no support, no Western support, no un support was ever
51:41
Speaker 2: given to the legitimate government of Angola. South Africa never
51:48
Speaker 2: supported the m p l A government of Angola. South
51:52
Speaker 2: Africa under apartheid was always backing those anti government forces.
51:58
Speaker 2: They were always baking the non legitimate side of the party.
52:04
Speaker 1: No, but I mean that's also related to who was
52:08
Speaker 1: essentially controlling South Africa. I mean the US and Britain
52:12
Speaker 1: had extremely large interests in South Africa.
52:17
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, the oligarchy, the South African oligarchy directly linked
52:23
Speaker 2: to the financiers of the City of London and Wall Street.
52:26
Speaker 2: So getting back to today, so South Africa historically has
52:32
Speaker 2: never played a good role on the continent. And remember
52:37
Speaker 2: how much so many other African countries did to help
52:41
Speaker 2: South Africa, to help the ANC, to help the PAC
52:46
Speaker 2: to get rid of a Parte eight. The support was tremendous.
52:51
Speaker 2: You know, in Nigeria, they created the Bundela attacks to
52:56
Speaker 2: raise funds, so they taxed all levels of the economy
53:02
Speaker 2: in Nigeria to get this little percentage to give to
53:06
Speaker 2: support the A and C to to fight to partate.
53:10
Speaker 2: Garner played a huge role many countries that they're very,
53:13
Speaker 2: very supportive. And now you look at what South Africa
53:17
Speaker 2: is doing today and how it has forgotten all its
53:25
Speaker 2: previous allies and the people who supported them, and the
53:30
Speaker 2: entire do Doula operation to Doulah to stoke this content
53:36
Speaker 2: and get rid of foreign nationals. You know, there's a
53:40
Speaker 2: lot one can say about this, say about that there's
53:43
Speaker 2: a legitimate thing and there's an illegitimate thing. But basically
53:46
Speaker 2: the government are using elements within society to create a
53:54
Speaker 2: social division. That's what they're basically doing. So come to
54:00
Speaker 2: today and what South Africa has been doing since nineteen
54:04
Speaker 2: ninety four in terms of anti government forces is they
54:08
Speaker 2: have been supporting the Lord's Resistance Army. They have been
54:18
Speaker 2: in Uganda in terrorist movement in Uganda using children. They
54:25
Speaker 2: have supported the militia groups in Eastern Congo M twenty three,
54:33
Speaker 2: such as M twenty three and ADF. They have supported
54:40
Speaker 2: a number, or one could say almost every insurgency force
54:46
Speaker 2: or movement that there is across the continent. They're represented
54:52
Speaker 2: that supports that South African government support is represented in
54:56
Speaker 2: the fact that the South African government tot rate all
55:01
Speaker 2: of those anti government forces movements having offices in South Africa,
55:11
Speaker 2: and the government are fully aware of that ADFM twenty
55:14
Speaker 2: three fighters regularly cross the border. Why does South Africa
55:21
Speaker 2: do that? Why does so little talked about that total
55:26
Speaker 2: tolerance of supporting terrorist groups. Groups that are causing terrorism
55:32
Speaker 2: across the continent are supported in South Africa. They launded
55:36
Speaker 2: their money through South African banks. And you think about
55:40
Speaker 2: what's sitting in Durban docks right Now all of Eastern
55:45
Speaker 2: Congo's minerals are going through urban docks. So South Africa
55:52
Speaker 2: is benefiting from everything that's happening in Eastern Congo, the
55:59
Speaker 2: illicit trade of Congo's minerals, South Africa is benefiting. So
56:09
Speaker 2: they always have had this role. They have never been
56:13
Speaker 2: a sovereign country. So let's get back to Sierra Leone
56:21
Speaker 2: and just clear that story because it's so indicative of
56:27
Speaker 2: what Malema, Julius Malemma is and his role is as
56:32
Speaker 2: this synthetic revolutionary. So you've got nineteen ninety five, you've
56:38
Speaker 2: got the Revolutionary United Front abbreviated as our UF, who
56:44
Speaker 2: are gaining control of larger and larger tracts of Sierra Leone.
56:49
Speaker 2: They're supported by Charles Taylor, the President of Liberia. Now
56:56
Speaker 2: there's a wonderful image of Charles Taylor with Nelson Mandela
57:02
Speaker 2: and Naomi Campbell. I don't know if you remember that
57:05
Speaker 2: story of Charles Taylor giving Naomi Campbell a dirty stone.
57:10
Speaker 2: So we go back again to the diamonds right, and
57:15
Speaker 2: again look at South Africa's role in supporting Charles Taylor.
57:20
Speaker 2: Why were they doing that under Mandela? Why was Mandela
57:23
Speaker 2: there with Charles Taylor, because of the diamond trade, because
57:28
Speaker 2: of the South African oligarchy, because of Debier's Anglo American,
57:33
Speaker 2: that whole network. Excuse me. So the very first government
57:45
Speaker 2: in Sierra Leone, that was a wonderful government, Miriam Margui
57:51
Speaker 2: first president. He was a doctor and he was a
57:54
Speaker 2: poet as well, like Augustino Netto of Angola, and he
57:58
Speaker 2: was running a beautiful ship, doing a beautiful job in
58:01
Speaker 2: Sierra Leone. In fact, the Sierra Leonian guy told me,
58:05
Speaker 2: he said, do you know during that time, the infrastructure,
58:09
Speaker 2: the education, schooling and universities so much in Sierra Leone
58:14
Speaker 2: was on a power with Britain. So you have an
58:19
Speaker 2: indication there of things being run as they should be
58:24
Speaker 2: under a legitimate government with a president and a party
58:29
Speaker 2: who really care for the nation, who know how I
58:32
Speaker 2: understand how to run an economy. Well, he was gotten
58:35
Speaker 2: rid of and then you had successive governments bought in
58:38
Speaker 2: who then pretty much destroyed the economy of Sia Leone.
58:43
Speaker 2: A load of infrastructure lost. It is a very very
58:46
Speaker 2: very poor place, a very very poor country to this day.
58:50
Speaker 2: Despite the presidents, the presidence of Tony Blair and the
58:53
Speaker 2: African Governance Initiative. So that was the state of the country.
59:01
Speaker 2: Then in nineteen ninety five, so a young military guy
59:07
Speaker 2: called Valentine Stressa, I think he was a lieutenant lieutenant.
59:11
Speaker 2: Valentine Stressor ended up being there was a military coup.
59:16
Speaker 2: The military coup in Sierra Leone. The military didn't actually
59:21
Speaker 2: want to get rid of the government. They just wanted
59:23
Speaker 2: to say, come on, get this country a straight and
59:26
Speaker 2: stop this advance of r UF. The r UF were
59:30
Speaker 2: coming in from Liberia, being trained in Liberia, coming across
59:33
Speaker 2: the border, extremely savage group of people. So the military
59:41
Speaker 2: ended it ended up that the sitting government said, Okay,
59:45
Speaker 2: we can't deal with us anymore. The military, you come
59:48
Speaker 2: in and run this country. So this very young guy
59:50
Speaker 2: called Valentine Stressor ends up being president of Sierra Leone.
59:54
Speaker 2: Now Valentine Stressa knows and Goland general because they're both military,
1:00:02
Speaker 2: called General Dematos. General Dematos in Angola is working with
1:00:09
Speaker 2: South African PMC called Executive Outcomes, So that spoke about
1:00:13
Speaker 2: you previously. Now Executive Outcomes at that time were present
1:00:19
Speaker 2: in Angola. They were under contract by the MPLO m
1:00:23
Speaker 2: p l A government to train the Angolan military to
1:00:31
Speaker 2: counter attack the uned to force us. The you need
1:00:34
Speaker 2: to forces are fully backed by South Africa. So can
1:00:37
Speaker 2: you can imagine the level of that campaign. You know,
1:00:40
Speaker 2: these are very very well funded and armed group of Angolans.
1:00:49
Speaker 2: So General Dematos says to Valentine Streusser, we have this
1:00:55
Speaker 2: group of South Africans in our country. They are doing
1:00:58
Speaker 2: an incredible job training our forces to you know, effectively
1:01:05
Speaker 2: count attack what's happening in the country. Why don't you
1:01:08
Speaker 2: speak to them? So executive outcomes ends up getting a
1:01:15
Speaker 2: contract with the government of Valentine Strussa to assist the
1:01:22
Speaker 2: Sierra Leonian military encountering what the RUF are doing within
1:01:28
Speaker 2: the country. So you have a situation where EO come in.
1:01:33
Speaker 2: They arrived nineteen ninety five, a country with which part
1:01:37
Speaker 2: of the year, but their contract, they fulfilled their mandate
1:01:41
Speaker 2: in a very short space of time, very efficiently. They
1:01:44
Speaker 2: came in. They trained the Sierra siah Leonian military, which
1:01:49
Speaker 2: sorely needed it. They had very little access to air cover,
1:01:56
Speaker 2: very very little access to any military high because they
1:02:01
Speaker 2: would only use It's what they always did. They only
1:02:05
Speaker 2: used what the legitimate government's military had at their disposal.
1:02:11
Speaker 2: They were with the legitimate government's forces trained them and
1:02:15
Speaker 2: only used what they had at their disposal. So EO
1:02:20
Speaker 2: decided the only way to stop the advance of our
1:02:24
Speaker 2: UF was to cut off the source of funding and
1:02:28
Speaker 2: their source of funding with the diamond fields of an
1:02:31
Speaker 2: area called Koidu, which is right on the border of Liberia.
1:02:36
Speaker 2: So EO said, right, We're going to cut off their
1:02:40
Speaker 2: source of diamonds and secure the diamond fields. That way,
1:02:44
Speaker 2: they won't be able to finance their war. Now, cut
1:02:49
Speaker 2: a long story short, a lot happened. You ended up
1:02:53
Speaker 2: the situation where I mean, figure wise, you probably had
1:02:57
Speaker 2: fifteen twenty thousand r u F fighters.
1:03:02
Speaker 1: The r u F.
1:03:05
Speaker 2: Use terror tactics. Uh. Things that are you can you
1:03:10
Speaker 2: can't even dream of what they did to women and children,
1:03:14
Speaker 2: What they did to people, the severing of limbs, uh,
1:03:19
Speaker 2: you know, the cut of people's hands. They burnt out
1:03:22
Speaker 2: the eyes of little girls and then after having done that,
1:03:25
Speaker 2: did even more horrendous things to them. The brutality of
1:03:30
Speaker 2: the r u F is indescribable. So the securing and
1:03:36
Speaker 2: cutting off of the finances of the r u F
1:03:39
Speaker 2: with the objective of EO, you end up with a situation,
1:03:43
Speaker 2: and it's a fascinating story for those who are interested
1:03:47
Speaker 2: in what already happened. And I happened to read a
1:03:50
Speaker 2: book it's called Football One Tracer by Colonel Rolfan Hirden,
1:03:56
Speaker 2: and he was the ground forces commander of e O
1:04:00
Speaker 2: in Sirira Leone. It's really such an interesting bocket's about
1:04:04
Speaker 2: his role within EO in Angola and then in Siria Leone.
1:04:08
Speaker 2: It's I've very enjoyed that. So you have a situation
1:04:13
Speaker 2: where you have in effect less than a hundred EO
1:04:22
Speaker 2: members operational on the ground, because I remember at the
1:04:25
Speaker 2: same time the fighting in Angola, and you have a
1:04:33
Speaker 2: very very large number of r UF being backed by Liberia,
1:04:38
Speaker 2: and through Liberia their connections to South Africa, very interesting
1:04:44
Speaker 2: connections to South Africa, and of course this constant feeding
1:04:47
Speaker 2: of the diamonds. EO secured the diamond fields and Koidu,
1:04:55
Speaker 2: they ended up securing most of the country. They stopped
1:05:02
Speaker 2: the RUF from gaining control of Free Time, the capital
1:05:07
Speaker 2: of Sierra Leone. What happened right at the point of
1:05:16
Speaker 2: them securing and achieving what they were mandated to do
1:05:20
Speaker 2: by Stress's government, tremendous pressure applied on that government. Same
1:05:26
Speaker 2: thing happened to the MPLA government in ordinate amount of
1:05:30
Speaker 2: pressure from the United Nations and from the IMF, and
1:05:35
Speaker 2: basically those two governments were informed that if you continue
1:05:41
Speaker 2: to employ the services of the South African PMC called
1:05:46
Speaker 2: executive outcomes, you are not going to receive any further loans.
1:05:53
Speaker 2: We are going to make sure that your government will
1:05:57
Speaker 2: disappear very very quickly. So what do UN do and
1:06:02
Speaker 2: what is their favorite tactic is they set up the
1:06:04
Speaker 2: negotiating table. And you know how the peace talkers, the
1:06:12
Speaker 2: people who are always always going on for decades and
1:06:14
Speaker 2: decades and decades talking about peace and negotiation and bringing
1:06:19
Speaker 2: people to together. I mean they're doing it right now
1:06:21
Speaker 2: with the RC. Is they perpetuate a situation simply by talking.
1:06:29
Speaker 2: And it is actually it's not anything other than a
1:06:34
Speaker 2: deliberate tactics. Its aim is to perpetuate a situation. So anyway,
1:06:43
Speaker 2: you end up in Siia Leone with EO having to
1:06:50
Speaker 2: leave the country. Now, there was one EO member who
1:06:53
Speaker 2: was a brilliant attack helicopter pilot and it was only
1:07:00
Speaker 2: one attack helicopter at the disposal of the military and
1:07:04
Speaker 2: EO and This guy is called Neil Ellis. I haven't
1:07:08
Speaker 2: been able to find out what's happened to him. But
1:07:11
Speaker 2: when EO were told to leave, he said, no, I'm
1:07:16
Speaker 2: not going to leave this country. I'm not going to
1:07:18
Speaker 2: leave these people to be raped and mutilated by the RUF.
1:07:22
Speaker 2: I'm going to stay here and fly the helicopter. Because
1:07:25
Speaker 2: he was actually the only person capable of doing so,
1:07:28
Speaker 2: so he left. He ended up working for nothing and
1:07:32
Speaker 2: sleeping under his helicopter to safeguard it for twelve months,
1:07:38
Speaker 2: securing the region around Freetown and stopping the advance of
1:07:42
Speaker 2: the RUF after EO were told to clear out. So
1:07:48
Speaker 2: very very interesting story. So the point I am making
1:07:54
Speaker 2: from all of that is that you have such a
1:08:00
Speaker 2: a monumental amount of perception modification going on that you
1:08:06
Speaker 2: have people in the world thinking that a group such
1:08:11
Speaker 2: as Revolutionary United Front are the good guys, when in
1:08:16
Speaker 2: fact they were the most unspeakable evil the continent has
1:08:19
Speaker 2: ever seen. So you imagine that level. It's shocking, isn't it.
1:08:26
Speaker 1: So, As you're coming from a landing here, I've created
1:08:29
Speaker 1: a little diagram in front of me just to try
1:08:31
Speaker 1: and create a picture of what it is you've been
1:08:35
Speaker 1: talking about, because it can very quickly get detailed and confusing.
1:08:42
Speaker 1: Correctly if I've got this wrong, but we've got the
1:08:45
Speaker 1: city of London, Wall Street, the Biers, which then leads
1:08:49
Speaker 1: to the funding of insurgencies like the ruf Rhanama. You
1:08:54
Speaker 1: need to twenty three isis sorry, your isis Mozambique, which
1:09:00
Speaker 1: then leads to exploiting of resources like diamonds, gold minerals,
1:09:05
Speaker 1: which then leads to NGOs U n western media with
1:09:09
Speaker 1: cover stories money laundering, leading to a n C South
1:09:13
Speaker 1: Africa post Aparte continuation of the same system, South Africa
1:09:18
Speaker 1: becoming a logistical hub for regional terrorism such as political chaos,
1:09:24
Speaker 1: malemma e f F, racial conflict, economic collapse, threats on
1:09:29
Speaker 1: the agricultural sector. Am i am? I kind of creating
1:09:33
Speaker 1: a picture.
1:09:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, much better than I did. I think that's really good.
1:09:43
Speaker 1: Well, while you were talking, I was I was busy.
1:09:46
Speaker 1: I was busy drawing this.
1:09:50
Speaker 2: Maybe we should maybe we should just explain, you know,
1:09:54
Speaker 2: the concept of the British Empire and you know when
1:10:00
Speaker 2: and says that term when it's not an anti British,
1:10:05
Speaker 2: you know, Britain is a giant deck plantation it's really
1:10:09
Speaker 2: that's what it is. But you have this, you have
1:10:14
Speaker 2: a financial empire to explain it all. I mean, on
1:10:18
Speaker 2: on on my website, I have a tag and it's
1:10:21
Speaker 2: the tag is British Financial Empire and and and that
1:10:24
Speaker 2: financial empire that that financial network is City of London,
1:10:30
Speaker 2: Wall Street. The British Empire didn't just fade away, you know,
1:10:39
Speaker 2: with the winds of change and Macmillan's speech and the
1:10:42
Speaker 2: end of colonial rule and all that that that that
1:10:45
Speaker 2: didn't happen, you know, that was just in theory. What
1:10:50
Speaker 2: happened was a far more covid control of regions that
1:10:56
Speaker 2: have always been unsovereign. So yes, that's that's the sort
1:11:05
Speaker 2: of territory of Lyndon LaRouche, you know, speaking of such things.
1:11:13
Speaker 2: And I really do think that you can only make
1:11:17
Speaker 2: sense of what's happening in the world once you look
1:11:21
Speaker 2: at things in that way that you have this financial network,
1:11:26
Speaker 2: that it's the European oligarchy. Beautiful example of one I
1:11:29
Speaker 2: always I think is the most explanatory is Shell. You know,
1:11:35
Speaker 2: BP and Shell. So what's the full name for Shell
1:11:40
Speaker 2: is Royal Dutch Shell. So what on earth are the
1:11:47
Speaker 2: Royal family of of of Holland doing owning an oil company.
1:11:53
Speaker 2: You know what, what what are these corporations? Where do
1:11:55
Speaker 2: they actually stem from? And and you know how come
1:12:00
Speaker 2: so much of the European the old family networks, the monarchies,
1:12:05
Speaker 2: and remember that most of them were at one point
1:12:08
Speaker 2: related to Queen Victoria. So and then that comes back
1:12:13
Speaker 2: to what we were talking about bout in the beginning
1:12:15
Speaker 2: with Mary Kana and the and the false flag event
1:12:20
Speaker 2: that gave rise to the e f F and Julius
1:12:23
Speaker 2: Malema being at the Lonro mine Lonro London Rhodesian mining,
1:12:28
Speaker 2: the original term that was founded by Tony Tiny Rowland
1:12:33
Speaker 2: Angus Ogilivi his connection the Laruche people wrote about that.
1:12:40
Speaker 2: And you know that whole network control control so much.
1:12:47
Speaker 2: And when you think of the money and the power,
1:12:51
Speaker 2: well that's the gravy train. You know, the levels of
1:12:54
Speaker 2: corruption that you can run to, there's no limit when
1:12:57
Speaker 2: you had vast, vast amounts of money. One point I
1:13:01
Speaker 2: wanted to make the no totally forgotten. So sorry, well
1:13:10
Speaker 2: what company knowledge? Did you know that?
1:13:13
Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety four when the ANC took over, when
1:13:16
Speaker 1: South Africa became a quote unquote democracy over fifty percent
1:13:22
Speaker 1: of South Africa's entire private sector was controlled by Anglo American.
1:13:31
Speaker 2: Now doesn't that say it all? And then you get
1:13:36
Speaker 2: and then you get Milemma being told because of course
1:13:39
Speaker 2: he's told to do anything he does, and I must
1:13:44
Speaker 2: remember to say something about it about Floyd to Vuombo.
1:13:47
Speaker 2: So then Malemma is told to announce that to everyone
1:13:51
Speaker 2: that they must nationalize South Africa's gold mines. South Africa
1:13:57
Speaker 2: started running out of gold about fifteen years ago. They're
1:14:01
Speaker 2: sifting through the dust now, so South Africa's gold has
1:14:05
Speaker 2: all but run out. That is why Milemma was told
1:14:10
Speaker 2: to say, oh no, we must nationalize the gold mines
1:14:14
Speaker 2: so the public, the taxpayer, can pay for them for
1:14:17
Speaker 2: the nationalizing of the now defunct mines. And don't forget
1:14:23
Speaker 2: you know that whole SHIV story connected to the mining houses.
1:14:28
Speaker 2: So you have a case of silicosis and duced TB
1:14:35
Speaker 2: being a predominant illness contracted by anyone working within the
1:14:43
Speaker 2: Was it the diamonds that are in the asbestos? So
1:14:48
Speaker 2: the miners had about ten years before they developed serious
1:14:52
Speaker 2: lung conditions. And what happened was the whole AHHIV story
1:15:00
Speaker 2: came in and there are many who believe that that
1:15:06
Speaker 2: was an entire operation. I believe there's more to it
1:15:10
Speaker 2: than that that. There are many who believe that that
1:15:13
Speaker 2: whole AHHIV program was to protect Anglo American from paying
1:15:22
Speaker 2: off their hundreds of thousands of miners who had silicosystem
1:15:27
Speaker 2: uced TV. Don't don't you agree? I mean that's that's
1:15:33
Speaker 2: that was definitely who who won out of that whole
1:15:38
Speaker 2: thing because they didn't have There was an out of settle.
1:15:41
Speaker 2: There was out of court settlement some years after they
1:15:46
Speaker 2: put everyone on. They put everyone on anti retrovirals, didn't
1:15:50
Speaker 2: They all the miners sam in Botswana with Debswana, all
1:15:54
Speaker 2: the miners went on anti anti retrovirals and the whole
1:15:58
Speaker 2: narrative of ATHIV. You know, they brought in that program
1:16:03
Speaker 2: Proud to be HIV. That was the cover story to
1:16:07
Speaker 2: get the public onside. But anyway, another story. One thing
1:16:10
Speaker 2: about flouds Chevumbu, who was in the FF and he
1:16:15
Speaker 2: he went over to m K. He actually gave a
1:16:19
Speaker 2: talk which was fascinating because he was talking about the
1:16:23
Speaker 2: running of the physical economy. He was talking about introducing
1:16:28
Speaker 2: into South Africa very much what Trump is doing with
1:16:32
Speaker 2: the tariffs, you know, doing everything to benefit the domestic economy.
1:16:37
Speaker 2: Who was actually talking a hell of a lot of sense,
1:16:39
Speaker 2: and it was very very interesting what he was saying,
1:16:43
Speaker 2: because we've been living under this globalist, you know, way
1:16:51
Speaker 2: of running things where you outsource everything and you get
1:16:54
Speaker 2: the cheapest whatever it is, and what floudsche Vumboo was
1:16:58
Speaker 2: saying was very interesting. A lot of good minds have
1:17:02
Speaker 2: gone over to MK Floud Schevumbu definitely on a very
1:17:09
Speaker 2: interesting economic tract there.
1:17:12
Speaker 1: Well, BD, we've gone over time and as usual, a
1:17:19
Speaker 1: topic like this has mani branches. I mean, this is
1:17:22
Speaker 1: a web and it takes a long time to kind
1:17:25
Speaker 1: of unravel. I think I'll have you back again soon
1:17:32
Speaker 1: we can continue, But for now, how can I follow
1:17:36
Speaker 1: your work?
1:17:38
Speaker 2: Primarily on my website Africanagenda dot net. I wrote a
1:17:44
Speaker 2: series of articles on Cierra Leone, which you can access
1:17:48
Speaker 2: by tapping into the search bar. Just type in Sierra
1:17:53
Speaker 2: Leone and those articles will come up. And elsewhere you
1:17:57
Speaker 2: can find me a few articles on substack and I
1:18:01
Speaker 2: probably will come off Twitter. I'm not finding it useful,
1:18:05
Speaker 2: so primily my website.
1:18:08
Speaker 1: Well as an African, I thoroughly enjoy listening to you,
1:18:15
Speaker 1: and I know that since most of them, world doesn't
1:18:18
Speaker 1: care about us, I'm sure there will be maybe seven
1:18:20
Speaker 1: people who will have found this interesting. Let's hope a
1:18:24
Speaker 1: bit more. Dear, all right, P Lawton, thank you for
1:18:33
Speaker 1: joining me in the trenches.
1:18:35
Speaker 2: Thank you so much,