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Episode 26: The American Party · The Social Evolution Podcast

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hello, everyone.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to the social evolution podcast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is one of your hosts, Patrick Barney with me is the other host Curtis Frazier today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to discuss an idea that was brought up, I guess, first by the, you know, wonderful Elon Musk who, you know, I think this
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[SPEAKER_01]: He had a falling out with Trump and over, like, dood stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, well, I'm going to start the America party.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Curtis had some some pretty strong thoughts about the America party.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm going to hand it over to him and see what he has to say.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'd like to lead with, I know I've said that I needed an American
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[SPEAKER_00]: long before anybody knew who Elon Musk was, that wasn't a nerd, but he's got more of a, you know, audience than I do, so that's, that's fine, whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What I would like to talk about is how I believe that this is a hijacking of the title of being an American party.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In that Elon Musk is the richest guy in the world, and he gets a lot of his money from government subsidies and ripping people off, and when given the opportunity to work in the government, his idea of what would be best for America would be to take everybody that had a job related to helping a poor person and make them a poor person too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: by firing them right and giving anybody who was already rich as fuck as many breaks as he could squeeze right so i mean that's not really what i would consider to be you know the idealized idealization of america americanism if you would uh i i'm more of the um
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[SPEAKER_00]: send me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses type of America, you know, whether Elon as an immigrant believes that immigrants are cool or just that he was all right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess I'm not 100% sure, but I'm reasonably certain that he is not a fan of Latin American people coming into this country.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure he's not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not, I don't know specifically anything that he said about it, but I mean like if you're going to be on, hey, I'll lend you as much money as I can to get you back and office mindset.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't see how you would be of any other thought towards immigrants.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, the dude's a legitimate fascist who has cosplayed as Hitler, you know, with his weird weird mustache and his, you know, Nazi salute stuff like that dude's dudes legitimately fascist and
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[SPEAKER_01]: The way fascism has worked in the U.S. is white nationalism is kind of the main thrust of fascism in this country.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, dude, it's definitely a white nationalist, definitely hates Latin American people, it definitely hates black people, you know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's he's not a good dude.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, listen, he had an effo baby from a far Todd.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, like it's like, it's like, neppo baby from a apartheid.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't like non-white people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So surprising.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Can I am going to make this a movie?
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[SPEAKER_00]: People are going to be shocked.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Call it a nice shaman long.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because he makes shocking movies.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the reveal is, wow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You didn't see it coming.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You didn't see it coming South African apartheid, dude.
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[SPEAKER_01]: hates the unwhite people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh man, dude sucks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And as far as the America party goes, I mean, his idea of America is basically just reduced regulations as much as possible so that he.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and his crannies can make a ton of money at the expense of everyone else, you know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the resources, everything else.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the only thing that matters is how much of this monetary system we can get for ourselves.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, working for us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's a rest of you are just like you're here to work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, get to it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's his idea.
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[SPEAKER_01]: of racism and colonialism and genocide.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is just kind of in the roots of our government and in our founding story.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we came over and we murdered a bunch of indigenous people enslaved a bunch of black people and built up this nation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And now, that is a very good point, Patrick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think we should make a political party based on it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to understand.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think we should make a political party based on it either.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Although I do love how everything that you said there is how the people on that side.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I basically want to start my own, like if he's the American party, we are the American party and you, the Americans, the people who live here in this wonderful nation can decide who's more worthy of the title.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think that there are certainly certain values that the founding fathers cosplayed or, you know, pretended that they cared about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, Thomas Jefferson, a slave owner, you know, writes in the declaration of independence that every person or man should have the pursuit of life liberty and happiness, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Meanwhile, he's got slaves and a bunch of little half-brown kids, yeah, and he's, you know, he doesn't say a word about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that even if they liked each other, that's still your son over there that's probably working the fucking Yeah, yeah, like he's got a job at your house.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't inherit shit in your son
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[SPEAKER_00]: right and but being half you ain't shit because he's he's half he's half black yeah um so there are people of like i said the the other party they're going to take those american ideals you know like the ones that mine is going to choose to wash away from us because those aren't the ones that we're sticking to we're taking all the good american things
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[SPEAKER_00]: you know like freedom and justice and liberty and right all that shit for everybody you know like basically all the good parts of the Declaration of Independence and the uh I think I preamble to the Constitution right so and I definitely think that there are certain values that we could call American that are good like
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, um, while the Statue of Liberty was a gift from France, it does have inscribed on it words that you quoted earlier that, like, if we want to make America a good place to live, we should follow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We should be embracing that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think they're not our policy instead of the complete opposite of that our policy, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What we're doing
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[SPEAKER_00]: to be an American and think of all the good things that I believe we represent and yet we're doing immigrants are coming in here seeking a better life so we're locking them in prison for a couple of years like that's fucking everything is wrong with that we're locking their children in fucking prison for you like are you
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[SPEAKER_00]: What are you trying to do to their development, you know, between like the ages of what's the youngest one that you've blocked and detention?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Was it a baby?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, we are the greatest country that God ever created, and you know what we get to have in Jesus going to say hey, if you would have just locked up more brown babies, I'd have had a bigger mansion for you on the road.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like Jesus.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's super realistic, you know, Jesus loves the little children as long as or why we all know the words.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I've legitimately seen a video of someone interviewing a right-wing person who also claims to be a Christian and you know, they're like, well, well, Jesus was okay with immigrants would you be okay with Jesus coming here and she's like, as long as he comes here lately.
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[SPEAKER_00]: like it's like it's like it's like you can't say what if Jesus didn't have that ability right because they took all of his identifications and he just got here on a right yeah yeah I mean the association of Christianity with with the right way 90s is
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, people have been doing it throughout history, like the first fascist slashed terrorist organization in the United States history was the Ku Klux plan, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess, at least well, that history, and I'm sure they have plenty of people that were doing fucked up things before that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, sure, they had, I got many people doing fucked up things before that, but this was the first organized fascist slashed terrorist group.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would almost, you know, when I think about the Salem Witch Trials, call those people in charge.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what's trying to, the same kind of, because I mean, you know, like, they're basically doing their own little Spanish inquisition over here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'm taking people, I certainly, because they think differently.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I do agree that the, the, the Salem Witch Trials were, I mean, I don't know that much about them, but from one understand the history is pretty messed up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, why people are always grouping up and
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[SPEAKER_00]: doing things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But either way, the point that I'm making is, you know, America has a divided history.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It has a history of real actual racism in genocide.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Alongside a history of ideas that two modern people can seem at odds with that history of genocide.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know you you say with the freedom to pursue liberty and justice or what property happiness have forget what the exact words are.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But men are created equal that they are double their creator with certain enalienable rights that which are life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I did that without fucking read it, people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Excellent.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's the generation of independence.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then we have other things in history like the quote on the Statue of Liberty.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have other things you're too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Similar to your tired, your poor, your weird, your mental muscles, your need to breathe free.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We do have a history of ideas that are positive that we want to live up to.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and also a history of not living up to them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We, the people of the United States of America in order to provide in order to form a more perfect union, provide for the Commonwealth, established justice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So who is the Commonwealth?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is that, is that just the rich white people?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, early in the history of the, you know, the United States it was.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so that, that's the point that I was, uh, we're leading up to from earlier, is that, you know, for the people who support the other America party, um, it's going to be all about, well, we're just a constitutional republic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: 21 land-owning white men were the only one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, America was founded because the richest people decided that they could By their way out of being English and well, we had slaves and we got this land by murdering the Indians It is not murder if they don't have you know like whatever the fuck rational it is They don't have a flag is that what it was not murder or they might have a law and then re-write the laws Yeah, it should it's not murder if they don't have a government that can stop it
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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, we saw your treaty cool.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we're just gonna rearm ourselves and be back in six months Don't you worry guys, bye.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we're friends now see it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: See you when you go hunting and actually kill your wife and kids We're the greatest couldn't we're the greatest nation and God we trust is I don't know what God has the back of people They're gonna do that kind of fucked up shit, but what I would really like to do with the American party
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[SPEAKER_00]: is I'm not going to erase through it from history what we've done.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That needs to be documented and well established that yeah, people that said these great ideas also did these super fucked up things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we are better than that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So now we're going to say all these great things and not do anything fucked up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if we see anything what they need to do and think that they're fucked down, we're going to go in and stop them the way America used to stand like in the world, whatever, you know, the world chessboard, you know, so we let, you know, like there's a reason why France gave us the statute.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was an excellent friendship, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think we helped them with their their whole French revolution ever did at the time We're like whatever they're doing at late 1800s are early 18 the French revolution in 181787 1790 something let me let me double check I figured when that well I think whenever they gave us the stashy for how to do it something we did and for them in the middle Well, but like they helped us in the revolutionary war, so we out on one anyway
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Friends gave the statute of liberty to the United States to celebrate America's Centennial, so 1876, and honor the abolition of slavery and commemorate the long stendical lines between the two nations.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, so it was, it was a little, it was like a little birthday present.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, a little birthday present.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: See, country started even fucking do that shit anymore.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it was the last time a country gave another country a nice little birthday present.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Didn't put well this year's 250, maybe though.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Man, you France will give us something for a 250.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, America's kind of in fucking off for a while I think we really deserve a present this year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like if this were Christmas, we would get not cold because we like cold Yeah, we love cold.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, we would get cramp is beating the fuck out of the smoke in the night.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, wake up to that Cramp is Peter S's
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[SPEAKER_00]: You like that and they just beat you until you're bleeding and when you can't take it anymore and you just don't think it'll ever stop you walks away and just left there to think about what you've done America.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you were saying that you know there could be an America party or American party that honors actual good ideas that we have had as a country.
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[SPEAKER_00]: in our history that we we haven't lived up to unfortunately very well our American party is going to be basically just the good parts all right all right we are just the good parts because we are not going to be caught doing the fucked up shit because i don't want that on my record right
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[SPEAKER_00]: None of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I will treat America the way I treat a table in the restaurant, you know, as a server.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I please you as hard as I can so that when it comes time to the tip, you feel bad about not giving me enough.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because you know I, you know I deserve more than that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you're too much of a cheap ass to leave behind, or maybe you're maybe a hater and you think I try too hard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But either way, I'll treat America as a treat my teeth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll never get a cabin.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would think that to my mind, the most important thing is actual democracy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The quality.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, equality.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The quality through democracy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we can have democracy and still be has slaves.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean the, you know, they've seen America, the inventories of democracy, the, the dudes in the, the philosophers and Athens had slaves.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What I mean it, what typically when I say democracy, there are different ways to go about it, but basically that we as a people need to have an actual hand in drafting and creating the laws and revising the laws.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, seeing that the laws are aren't here too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So right now, and beneficial to us, like we were in the laws that are like, you're not allowed to, you know, X number things that we could do, that don't have any effect on anyone else, except us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we're just fine, but we're not allowed to do it because they said so.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, if you just put it up for a popular vote and throughout the country, universal healthcare would just win.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, 65% of people support it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the super rich people don't need to have universal healthcare because they're going to forward the other healthcare, they want and everybody else, which is they had it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, like, if we put,
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we don't have it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So what happens in Congress and Washington, D.C. is that the majority of the time, not always, there are sometimes laws put forward that are bills that are put forward that would be really good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: During Biden's term, Bernie Sanders put forward the, I forgot what was called, but a bill that would, would be an investment in infrastructure, expanding workers rights, things like that, that, that would have been really good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What of course, that got torn to shreds by other people and didn't really pass.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But if, if the people had a hand in making laws, as opposed just as opposed to just electing people,
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[SPEAKER_01]: to make those falls.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then we would make them to benefit us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like if a talent got together and wrote just to take it down to the basic level.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Start with a town.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You move your way on to, you know, uh, what will it do?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it a kind of
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then move your way through whatever the counties, you know, get into, yeah, we're not the whole state But like, you know, like there's I don't we have like multiple counties that are like districts or something Do we?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure because I'm not sure because the point is
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you start at, you start at the level, you know, where the people get together and they say, hey, uh, our town needs what do we need?
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[SPEAKER_00]: We need this, this, this and this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what the people need.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they give it to their town people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They like, you're, you know, your air quotes town government and you're like, okay, here you go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is what we want.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is our demands.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Instead of looking at saying, okay, cool.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we're going to, we're going to continue to take your money and we'll see you in a few weeks and you can come tell us this later.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And front of everybody else and we'll decide if we're going to listen to you or we're going to give a shit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How about that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, get on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Get on out of here now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Fuck it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is my thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's geeky.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, and Tim, we weren't until it's going to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Basically, I think that the people need to replace the state apparatus.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And by state apparatus, I mean, this this body of elected officials who hover over us and kind of do whatever the
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're not going to make laws to my right right right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to make a law.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is they're going to go to prison.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to make laws that make an order for them to be right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what we see.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's why, you know, I think that basically the people need to replace the state apparatus with themselves.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that there are a couple of different good models for doing this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A couple of different groups have done it through consensus assembly where, and that's where, like, everybody in whatever governmental districts that's either a town or a couple of different towns together, but basically everybody gets together and says, well, we like these ideas, we don't like these, let's move forward with this plan.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then there's, there's, um,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Federations where instead of an assembly, people nominate delegates to represent each district, but the difference between a delegate and say a congressperson.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is that a delegate is immediately recallable instead of like every 40 years, you know, like a delegate like if if you nomin if if you're district nominate a delegate to go discuss something with another district to try to come up with an idea.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then that delegate comes back and like, well, I did this in this and that sucks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You get to be like, get the fuck out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We hate you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like immediately.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you dropped my cheeseburger, dude.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'm not going to eat it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You had to make a new one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you're trying to serve this to me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's even got a cigarette about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you don't work with Wendy's.
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[SPEAKER_00]: people I was I was using verbal irony earlier you know like obviously when they when they they bring the paper and they're going to be like okay yeah well it's our job to do this or we're going to get burned at stake right yeah no that's good we're talking feather or whatever punishment we decide to inflict upon them how about we just like you in a box of six months to you know how to be a leader like you know my thought is like a delicate the least bad thing that can happen to them is they get fired
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then from there, like, did you actually do that shit while you're going to prison, you know?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like what, what crime did you commit?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Was it theft?
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, yeah, like it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I can delicate commit theft, sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Went a lot of them, too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and did you punish his own?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Did you rape a kid?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like a bunch of our elected leaders?
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[SPEAKER_00]: like you're definitely going to prison.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, I was watching news the other day and one of the people that got, they got pardon for the January 6th.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh really?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they were childhood rapists and they were telling the kids basically that not to tell anybody because they were going to get $10 million for being a January 6th.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Trump was going to pay them when they were going to use that to pay them off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, if we use the same rationale that they take to demonize Latin Americans, one of them came over and was caught Jaywalking, so they're all in gangs as drug dealing murders.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One January six of us got us a pedophile, apparently they're all pedophiles, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They all are.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Every single one of them, they got pardoned as a
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[SPEAKER_00]: is a child rate that's strongly, that's the, you know, mentality.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So basically, I think that we, there could be an America party, American or America party that is worthwhile, but it's certainly not going to be one that is run by Elon Musk.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Elon Musk has the America Party.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can have that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We are the American Party.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And... Fuck you, Elon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're the polar opposite.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure.
23:41
[SPEAKER_00]: Unless, of course, you know, you have all those American ideals and I'd love to see it in practice.
23:45
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'd love to see you practice, which you preach, I'd love to see you.
23:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Make my dreams come true.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The problem is, is that Elon is like he's a baby who thinks that he's a genius, is the problem.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There are a lot of problems with him, yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I think that he probably is an intelligent person, like I think he probably has a lot of big ideas,
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[SPEAKER_01]: is a racist and once bad things for people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's a big problem with Elon and there's no way that you can start a. I would be open to meeting and talking it out.
24:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe deep down he can be uh he can be convinced he can be swayed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it's all an act.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And act for what?
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[SPEAKER_00]: His his persona for whatever he did with Twitter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You think it's an act?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it's an act.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think genuinely, he's genuinely a bad person.
24:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, whatever.
24:43
[SPEAKER_01]: It's all good.
24:43
[SPEAKER_01]: So I guess those are our thoughts on the America Party, the American Party.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because we can, the right, the right, and yeah, get on board or get off the earth.
24:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, get on board or off the rock later on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Peace.