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From Football to Fretboards: One Artist's Journey · Music Explored Podcast

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  But
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  it's
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  kind
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  of
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  the
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  national
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  sport
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  here,
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  and
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  so
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  that
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  was
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  what
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  I
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  grew
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  up
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  doing.
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  I
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  wanted
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  to
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  play
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  AFL
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  football.
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  And
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  obviously
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  many
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  injuries
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  later.
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  In
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  my
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  early
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  20s,
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  I
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  realized
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  that
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  this
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  wasn't
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  going
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  to
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  work
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  out,
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  and
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  I
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  went
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  back
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  to
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  Brazil.
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  I
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  traveled
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  back
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  with
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  my
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  brother
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  and
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  reconnected
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  with
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  the
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  land.
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  And
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  it
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  was
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  there
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  that
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  I
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  decided
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  that
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  music
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  was
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  what
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  I
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  wanted
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  to
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  pursue.
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  And
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  the.
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  There
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  was
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  just
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  something
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  that
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  was
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  calling
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  me
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  to
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  do
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  that,
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  and
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  that's
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  how
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  I
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  started
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  my
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  journey,
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  guys.
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  I
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  sort
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  of
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  came.
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  I
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  was
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  late
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  to
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  the
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  party,
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  if
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  you
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  know
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  what
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  I
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  mean.
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  Yeah,
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  late
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  bloomer.
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  I
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  mean.
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  All
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  right,
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  so
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  I
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  want
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  to
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  talk
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  about
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  music
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  for
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  sure.
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  I
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  guess
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  that's
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  why
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  we're
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  here.
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  But
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  I'm
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  kind
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  of
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  fascinated
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  by
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  this.
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  You
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  said
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  this
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  Australian
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  Football
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  is
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  a
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  360
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  game.
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  Can
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  you
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  break
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  that
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  down
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  a
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  little
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  bit
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  for
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  us
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  before
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  we
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  get
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  into
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  the
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  music
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  stuff?
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  I
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  can.
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  Well,
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  what
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  I
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  mean
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  by
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  that
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  is
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  traditionally,
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  like,
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  when
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  you
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  look
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  at
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  American
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  football
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  or
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  rugby
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  even,
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  you
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  have
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  two
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  opposing
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  sides
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  that
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  are
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  running
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  at
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  each
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  other
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  almost.
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  So
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  they're
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  one
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  side
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  of
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  the
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  field
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  and
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  they
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  sort
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  of.
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  They
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  meet
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  in
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  the
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  middle
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  in
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  a
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  way.
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  I
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  think
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  I've
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  seen
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  this.
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  Yeah.
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  Whereas
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  Australia
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  Rules
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  Football,
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  you're
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  set
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  up
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  like,
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  on,
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  like
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  opponents,
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  but
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  in
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  different
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  parts
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  of
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  the
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  ground.
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  There's
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  18
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  versus
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  18,
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  but
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  you
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  have
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  your
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  forwards
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  and
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  your
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  backs,
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  but
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  the
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  ball
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  kind
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  of
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  just
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  goes
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  up
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  and
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  down
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  the
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  field
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  continuously,
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  and
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  there's
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  a
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  lot
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  of
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  transition
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  that
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  happens
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  between
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  the
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  players.
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  So
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  just
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  because
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  you're
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  a
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  defender
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  doesn't
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  necessarily
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  mean
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  that
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  you
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  can't
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  become
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  an
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  attacker,
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  if
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  you
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  know
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  what
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  I
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  mean.
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  You
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  can
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  cover
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  all
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  areas
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  of
• 1:40
  the
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  ground
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  at
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  any
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  one
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  time.
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  And
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  so
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  what
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  happens
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  is
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  you
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  have
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  a
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  lot
• 1:45
  of
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  collisions
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  that
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  players
• 1:48
  can't
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  necessarily
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  brace
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  themselves
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  for.
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  You
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  know,
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  that
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  could
• 1:51
  be
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  just
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  going
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  backwards
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  with
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  a
• 1:54
  flight
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  of
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  the
• 1:54
  ball
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  and
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  another
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  opponent
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  is
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  coming
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  directly
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  at
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  him
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  like
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  a
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  steam
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  train
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  and
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  get
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  a
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  knee
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  in
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  the
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  back
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  or.
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  It's.
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  It's.
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  Look,
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  it's
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  brutal.
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  They're
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  trying
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  to
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  clean
• 2:04
  it
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  up
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  a
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  little
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  bit
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  because
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  there
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  are
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  a
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  lot
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  of
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  concussions
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  and
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  things
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  happening.
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  But,
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  you
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  know,
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  I
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  played
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  that
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  sport
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  all
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  through
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  my
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  teenage
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  years,
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  and
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  I've
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  had
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  two
• 2:13
  shoulder
• 2:13
  reconstructions
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  and,
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  you
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  know,
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  disc
• 2:17
  bulges
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  in
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  my
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  back
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  all
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  before
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  I
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  was
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  21.
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  So,
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  yeah,
• 2:21
  I'm
• 2:21
  actually
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  glad
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  that
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  I
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  don't
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  play
• 2:22
  it
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  anymore.
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  Yeah,
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  I'm
• 2:25
  kind
• 2:25
  of
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  glad
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  for
• 2:26
  you.
• 2:27
  Music
• 2:27
  Injuries
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  are
• 2:28
  just
• 2:28
  carpal
• 2:28
  tunnel
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  nothing.
• 2:31
  Now,
• 2:31
  there
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  may
• 2:32
  be
• 2:32
  a
• 2:32
  reason
• 2:32
  why.
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  Maybe
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  a
• 2:34
  reason
• 2:34
  why
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  that
• 2:34
  style
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  of
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  football
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  has
• 2:35
  not
• 2:35
  made
• 2:36
  it
• 2:36
  over
• 2:36
  to
• 2:36
  North
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  America
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  for
• 2:38
  a
• 2:38
  couple
• 2:38
  of
• 2:38
  reasons.
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  But
• 2:39
  welcome.
• 2:40
  Welcome
• 2:40
  over
• 2:40
  to
• 2:41
  the
• 2:41
  music
• 2:41
  side.
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  So
• 2:42
  you.
• 2:43
  You
• 2:43
  kind
• 2:43
  of
• 2:44
  re.
• 2:44
  Yeah.
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  So
• 2:45
  you
• 2:45
  kind
• 2:45
  of
• 2:45
  found
• 2:45
  your
• 2:46
  connection
• 2:46
  with
• 2:46
  music
• 2:47
  after
• 2:47
  getting
• 2:48
  the
• 2:48
  crap
• 2:48
  beat
• 2:48
  out
• 2:49
  of
• 2:49
  you
• 2:49
  playing
• 2:49
  football.
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  So
• 2:51
  what
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  was.
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  Was
• 2:52
  there
• 2:52
  a
• 2:52
  moment
• 2:53
  where
• 2:53
  you're
• 2:53
  like,
• 2:54
  yeah,
• 2:54
  yeah.
• 2:54
  Was
• 2:54
  there
• 2:55
  a
• 2:55
  moment
• 2:55
  where
• 2:55
  you're
• 2:55
  like,
• 2:55
  I
• 2:56
  want
• 2:56
  to
• 2:57
  do
• 2:57
  this
• 2:57
  music?
• 2:57
  Like,
• 2:57
  how
• 2:57
  does
• 2:58
  that
• 2:58
  happen?
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  Were
• 2:58
  you
• 2:59
  eating
• 2:59
  breakfast
• 2:59
  and
• 3:00
  you
• 3:00
  heard
• 3:00
  a
• 3:00
  song
• 3:00
  and
• 3:00
  you're
• 3:00
  like,
• 3:01
  this
• 3:01
  is
• 3:01
  me
• 3:01
  now?
• 3:02
  Look,
• 3:02
  I.
• 3:03
  I
• 3:03
  can't
• 3:03
  really
• 3:04
  explain
• 3:04
  it,
• 3:04
  Anthony.
• 3:05
  I.
• 3:06
  I
• 3:07
  mean,
• 3:07
  I.
• 3:07
  My.
• 3:08
  My
• 3:08
  mum's
• 3:08
  side
• 3:08
  of
• 3:09
  the
• 3:09
  family
• 3:09
  as
• 3:09
  well
• 3:10
  was
• 3:10
  quite
• 3:10
  musical,
• 3:11
  so
• 3:11
  she.
• 3:11
  She
• 3:12
  bought
• 3:12
  me
• 3:12
  a
• 3:12
  guitar
• 3:13
  when
• 3:13
  I
• 3:13
  was
• 3:13
  13,
• 3:13
  and
• 3:14
  I.
• 3:14
  I
• 3:14
  ob.
• 3:15
  I
• 3:15
  played.
• 3:15
  I
• 3:15
  got
• 3:15
  lessons
• 3:16
  for
• 3:16
  about
• 3:16
  six
• 3:16
  months,
• 3:17
  but
• 3:18
  even
• 3:19
  then
• 3:19
  I
• 3:19
  wasn't
• 3:20
  really
• 3:21
  grabbed.
• 3:21
  I
• 3:22
  wasn't
• 3:22
  grabbed
• 3:22
  by
• 3:22
  music
• 3:23
  itself.
• 3:23
  I
• 3:23
  enjoyed,
• 3:24
  like,
• 3:24
  just
• 3:24
  playing
• 3:25
  guitar.
• 3:25
  But
• 3:27
  something
• 3:27
  happened
• 3:27
  while
• 3:27
  I
• 3:27
  was
• 3:28
  in
• 3:28
  Brazil.
• 3:28
  There
• 3:28
  was
• 3:28
  something
• 3:29
  that
• 3:29
  happened
• 3:30
  to
• 3:30
  me,
• 3:33
  you
• 3:33
  know,
• 3:33
  for
• 3:33
  lack
• 3:34
  of
• 3:34
  a
• 3:34
  better
• 3:34
  word,
• 3:34
  I
• 3:34
  could
• 3:34
  probably
• 3:35
  say
• 3:35
  spiritually,
• 3:36
  that
• 3:36
  there
• 3:36
  was
• 3:36
  a
• 3:37
  calling
• 3:37
  there.
• 3:37
  I
• 3:38
  didn't
• 3:38
  know
• 3:38
  what
• 3:38
  it
• 3:38
  was,
• 3:39
  but
• 3:39
  there
• 3:39
  was
• 3:39
  a
• 3:39
  lot
• 3:39
  of
• 3:40
  clarity
• 3:40
  around
• 3:40
  it
• 3:40
  that
• 3:41
  I
• 3:42
  came
• 3:42
  back
• 3:42
  from
• 3:42
  that
• 3:42
  trip
• 3:43
  to
• 3:43
  Australia
• 3:43
  and
• 3:44
  I
• 3:45
  said,
• 3:45
  I
• 3:45
  need
• 3:45
  to.
• 3:46
  I
• 3:46
  need
• 3:46
  to
• 3:46
  start
• 3:46
  writing
• 3:47
  songs.
• 3:48
  And
• 3:48
  so
• 3:48
  I
• 3:49
  just
• 3:50
  went
• 3:50
  along
• 3:50
  and
• 3:51
  found
• 3:51
  a
• 3:51
  band,
• 3:52
  got
• 3:52
  a
• 3:52
  band
• 3:52
  together,
• 3:53
  and
• 3:53
  we
• 3:54
  started
• 3:55
  writing
• 3:55
  rock.
• 3:55
  It
• 3:55
  was
• 3:56
  pretty
• 3:56
  much
• 3:56
  rock
• 3:56
  and
• 3:56
  roll
• 3:57
  back
• 3:57
  then,
• 3:58
  and
• 3:58
  it
• 3:58
  has
• 3:58
  evolved
• 3:59
  since
• 3:59
  then
• 4:00
  as
• 4:00
  I've
• 4:00
  pursued
• 4:01
  a
• 4:01
  solo
• 4:01
  career.
• 4:01
  But
• 4:02
  definitely
• 4:02
  that
• 4:02
  was
• 4:02
  the
• 4:03
  trigger,
• 4:03
  that
• 4:03
  first
• 4:04
  journey
• 4:04
  back
• 4:04
  to
• 4:04
  Brazil.
• 4:07
  Wow.
• 4:08
  Yeah.
• 4:09
  Fascinating.
• 4:09
  Yeah,
• 4:10
  yeah.
• 4:10
  Because,
• 4:10
  I
• 4:10
  mean.
• 4:11
  Yeah,
• 4:11
  it's
• 4:12
  just
• 4:12
  the
• 4:12
  fact
• 4:12
  that
• 4:12
  you
• 4:12
  kind
• 4:13
  of
• 4:13
  just
• 4:13
  transitioned
• 4:14
  and
• 4:14
  it
• 4:14
  was
• 4:14
  just
• 4:14
  like
• 4:14
  you
• 4:15
  felt
• 4:15
  like
• 4:15
  it
• 4:15
  was.
• 4:16
  Music
• 4:16
  was
• 4:16
  calling
• 4:17
  you.
• 4:18
  It's
• 4:18
  kind
• 4:18
  of
• 4:19
  a
• 4:19
  theme.
• 4:20
  We've
• 4:20
  spoken
• 4:20
  to
• 4:21
  a
• 4:21
  few
• 4:21
  people.
• 4:21
  Did
• 4:22
  you
• 4:22
  figure
• 4:23
  out
• 4:23
  a
• 4:23
  songwriting
• 4:24
  process?
• 4:24
  How
• 4:25
  did
• 4:25
  that
• 4:25
  work
• 4:26
  for
• 4:26
  you?
• 4:30
  I
• 4:31
  hear
• 4:31
  melodies,
• 4:32
  so
• 4:32
  the
• 4:32
  first
• 4:33
  thing
• 4:33
  that
• 4:33
  was
• 4:33
  that,
• 4:33
  you
• 4:33
  know,
• 4:34
  melodies
• 4:34
  just.
• 4:36
  It's
• 4:36
  not
• 4:36
  hard
• 4:36
  for
• 4:36
  me
• 4:36
  to
• 4:37
  sort
• 4:37
  of
• 4:37
  latch
• 4:38
  onto
• 4:38
  a
• 4:38
  melody.
• 4:39
  And
• 4:41
  so
• 4:41
  I
• 4:41
  kind
• 4:41
  of.
• 4:41
  It
• 4:42
  was
• 4:42
  an
• 4:42
  intuitive
• 4:42
  process.
• 4:43
  I
• 4:43
  just
• 4:43
  thought
• 4:43
  that,
• 4:44
  okay,
• 4:44
  well,
• 4:45
  this
• 4:46
  is
• 4:46
  the
• 4:47
  natural
• 4:47
  way
• 4:47
  of
• 4:47
  writing
• 4:48
  for
• 4:48
  me
• 4:49
  initially.
• 4:50
  And
• 4:51
  I
• 4:51
  always
• 4:51
  enjoyed
• 4:52
  reading
• 4:52
  as
• 4:53
  a
• 4:53
  kid
• 4:53
  and
• 4:54
  writing
• 4:54
  stories.
• 4:55
  So
• 4:56
  I
• 4:56
  just
• 4:57
  put
• 4:57
  those
• 4:57
  two
• 4:58
  skills
• 4:58
  together
• 4:59
  and
• 5:01
  that
• 5:01
  was
• 5:02
  it.
• 5:02
  I
• 5:02
  mean,
• 5:03
  when
• 5:03
  I
• 5:03
  was
• 5:03
  in
• 5:04
  the
• 5:04
  band,
• 5:04
  a
• 5:04
  lot
• 5:04
  of
• 5:04
  the
• 5:04
  time,
• 5:05
  I
• 5:05
  didn't
• 5:05
  have
• 5:06
  the
• 5:06
  skill
• 5:06
  that
• 5:06
  I
• 5:07
  do
• 5:07
  now
• 5:08
  to
• 5:09
  transpose
• 5:09
  what
• 5:10
  I
• 5:10
  was
• 5:10
  hearing
• 5:10
  onto
• 5:11
  an
• 5:11
  instrument,
• 5:11
  you
• 5:12
  know,
• 5:12
  So
• 5:12
  I
• 5:12
  would
• 5:13
  say
• 5:13
  to
• 5:13
  the
• 5:13
  guitarist,
• 5:14
  hey,
• 5:15
  I'm
• 5:15
  hearing
• 5:15
  this.
• 5:15
  Can
• 5:15
  you
• 5:16
  play
• 5:16
  this?
• 5:16
  You
• 5:16
  know,
• 5:16
  doo,
• 5:17
  doo,
• 5:17
  doo,
• 5:17
  doo,
• 5:17
  doo,
• 5:17
  doo,
• 5:18
  doo,
• 5:18
  doo.
• 5:18
  And
• 5:18
  then.
• 5:19
  And
• 5:19
  that's
• 5:19
  how
• 5:19
  it
• 5:19
  went.
• 5:20
  I'm
• 5:20
  at
• 5:20
  a
• 5:20
  position
• 5:21
  now
• 5:21
  where,
• 5:21
  you
• 5:21
  know,
• 5:22
  I've
• 5:22
  done
• 5:22
  a
• 5:23
  lot
• 5:23
  more
• 5:23
  work
• 5:23
  on
• 5:23
  the
• 5:24
  musical
• 5:24
  side
• 5:24
  of
• 5:24
  things
• 5:25
  and
• 5:25
  can
• 5:26
  find
• 5:26
  those
• 5:26
  melodies
• 5:27
  and
• 5:27
  the
• 5:27
  chords
• 5:27
  that
• 5:28
  underlie
• 5:28
  it
• 5:28
  now.
• 5:28
  But
• 5:29
  that
• 5:29
  was
• 5:29
  how
• 5:29
  the
• 5:29
  journey
• 5:30
  started.
• 5:32
  How
• 5:32
  do
• 5:32
  you
• 5:32
  find
• 5:33
  those
• 5:33
  now?
• 5:33
  What
• 5:33
  instrument
• 5:34
  do
• 5:34
  you
• 5:34
  use?
• 5:35
  I
• 5:35
  still
• 5:35
  have
• 5:35
  a
• 5:35
  guitar,
• 5:36
  obviously,
• 5:37
  and
• 5:38
  a
• 5:38
  piano.
• 5:38
  I
• 5:38
  do
• 5:39
  have
• 5:39
  a
• 5:39
  piano
• 5:39
  at
• 5:39
  home.
• 5:40
  I
• 5:40
  love
• 5:40
  riding
• 5:40
  on
• 5:41
  a
• 5:41
  piano
• 5:41
  because,
• 5:42
  you
• 5:42
  know,
• 5:42
  the
• 5:42
  keys
• 5:43
  are
• 5:43
  there
• 5:43
  and
• 5:44
  you
• 5:44
  can
• 5:45
  come
• 5:45
  up
• 5:45
  with
• 5:45
  some
• 5:45
  amazing
• 5:46
  chords
• 5:46
  that
• 5:46
  you
• 5:47
  just
• 5:47
  wouldn't
• 5:47
  be
• 5:47
  able
• 5:47
  to
• 5:48
  figure
• 5:48
  out
• 5:49
  on
• 5:49
  a
• 5:49
  guitar.
• 5:51
  And
• 5:51
  a
• 5:51
  lot
• 5:51
  of
• 5:51
  the
• 5:51
  time
• 5:52
  I'm
• 5:52
  still
• 5:52
  guided
• 5:53
  by
• 5:53
  my
• 5:53
  intuition,
• 5:53
  you
• 5:54
  know,
• 5:54
  especially
• 5:54
  on
• 5:54
  a
• 5:54
  piano.
• 5:55
  I'm
• 5:55
  like,
• 5:57
  what
• 5:57
  is
• 5:57
  that
• 5:58
  chord?
• 5:58
  That
• 5:58
  sounds
• 5:59
  really
• 5:59
  cool,
• 5:59
  you
• 5:59
  know?
• 6:02
  Yeah.
• 6:05
  That'S
• 6:05
  a
• 6:06
  fun
• 6:06
  way
• 6:06
  of
• 6:06
  doing
• 6:06
  things.
• 6:07
  And
• 6:07
  it's
• 6:07
  something
• 6:07
  that
• 6:09
  just.
• 6:10
  That
• 6:10
  mystery,
• 6:11
  in
• 6:11
  a
• 6:11
  way.
• 6:11
  There's
• 6:12
  the
• 6:12
  argument
• 6:13
  that
• 6:13
  the
• 6:13
  more
• 6:13
  you
• 6:13
  learn
• 6:13
  about
• 6:14
  it,
• 6:14
  the
• 6:14
  more
• 6:15
  you
• 6:16
  demystify
• 6:16
  it
• 6:16
  and
• 6:17
  take
• 6:18
  improvisation
• 6:19
  out
• 6:19
  of
• 6:19
  it.
• 6:20
  So
• 6:20
  it's
• 6:20
  interesting
• 6:22
  that
• 6:22
  you're
• 6:22
  doing
• 6:22
  things
• 6:22
  that
• 6:23
  way
• 6:23
  because
• 6:23
  I
• 6:23
  feel
• 6:23
  like
• 6:23
  I
• 6:24
  do
• 6:24
  things
• 6:24
  that
• 6:24
  way,
• 6:24
  too.
• 6:25
  My
• 6:25
  knowledge
• 6:26
  of
• 6:26
  chords
• 6:26
  isn't
• 6:26
  as
• 6:26
  developed
• 6:27
  as
• 6:27
  I
• 6:27
  want
• 6:27
  it
• 6:27
  to
• 6:27
  be.
• 6:27
  So
• 6:28
  sometimes
• 6:28
  I
• 6:28
  just
• 6:28
  smash
• 6:29
  the
• 6:29
  keys
• 6:29
  and
• 6:29
  then
• 6:30
  eliminate
• 6:30
  things
• 6:30
  until
• 6:31
  it
• 6:31
  makes
• 6:31
  sense
• 6:31
  to
• 6:32
  me.
• 7:19
  It's
• 7:19
  an
• 7:19
  interesting.
• 7:20
  Sorry,
• 7:20
  Matt.
• 7:22
  Sorry,
• 7:22
  Matt.
• 7:22
  I
• 7:22
  just
• 7:22
  wanted
• 7:23
  to
• 7:23
  just
• 7:23
  add
• 7:23
  on.
• 7:24
  Because
• 7:25
  we're
• 7:25
  disconnected
• 7:26
  with
• 7:26
  distance.
• 7:27
  So
• 7:27
  it's
• 7:27
  going
• 7:27
  to
• 7:27
  keep
• 7:27
  on
• 7:27
  happening
• 7:28
  and
• 7:28
  we'll
• 7:28
  edit
• 7:28
  it
• 7:28
  if
• 7:29
  it's
• 7:29
  a
• 7:29
  big
• 7:29
  one,
• 7:29
  but
• 7:29
  usually
• 7:29
  we
• 7:30
  leave
• 7:30
  them
• 7:30
  because
• 7:30
  it's
• 7:30
  funny.
• 7:31
  Yeah.
• 7:33
  I
• 7:33
  just
• 7:33
  wanted
• 7:33
  to
• 7:34
  expand
• 7:34
  on
• 7:34
  what
• 7:34
  you
• 7:34
  said
• 7:34
  because
• 7:35
  there
• 7:35
  was
• 7:35
  a,
• 7:35
  you
• 7:35
  know,
• 7:37
  this
• 7:37
  idea
• 7:38
  that.
• 7:38
  Yeah,
• 7:38
  that
• 7:38
  the
• 7:39
  more
• 7:39
  you
• 7:39
  sort
• 7:39
  of
• 7:39
  know,
• 7:39
  the
• 7:40
  less
• 7:40
  you
• 7:40
  know.
• 7:40
  And
• 7:42
  especially
• 7:42
  with
• 7:42
  music,
• 7:43
  I
• 7:43
  always.
• 7:44
  Because
• 7:45
  for
• 7:45
  me,
• 7:45
  it
• 7:46
  was
• 7:46
  always
• 7:46
  such
• 7:46
  an
• 7:46
  intuitive
• 7:47
  process.
• 7:47
  There
• 7:48
  was
• 7:48
  a
• 7:48
  reluctance
• 7:50
  to
• 7:51
  step
• 7:51
  into
• 7:52
  understanding
• 7:52
  more
• 7:52
  of
• 7:53
  the
• 7:53
  theory
• 7:54
  around
• 7:54
  music
• 7:54
  because,
• 7:55
  oh,
• 7:56
  if
• 7:56
  I
• 7:56
  learn
• 7:56
  this,
• 7:56
  it's
• 7:57
  gonna
• 7:57
  stop
• 7:57
  this
• 7:57
  intuition
• 7:58
  that
• 7:58
  comes
• 7:58
  through.
• 7:59
  And
• 7:59
  I
• 7:59
  struggled
• 8:00
  with
• 8:00
  that
• 8:00
  for
• 8:00
  many
• 8:00
  years,
• 8:02
  but
• 8:03
  I
• 8:03
  then
• 8:04
  realized
• 8:04
  that,
• 8:04
  hang
• 8:04
  on,
• 8:05
  if
• 8:06
  I
• 8:06
  just
• 8:06
  shift
• 8:06
  the
• 8:06
  narrative
• 8:07
  a
• 8:07
  little
• 8:07
  bit,
• 8:08
  perhaps
• 8:08
  it's
• 8:08
  like
• 8:08
  I'll
• 8:09
  have
• 8:09
  more
• 8:09
  tools
• 8:09
  at
• 8:09
  my
• 8:09
  disposal.
• 8:10
  I
• 8:10
  can
• 8:11
  still
• 8:11
  tune
• 8:11
  into
• 8:11
  the
• 8:11
  intuitive,
• 8:12
  but
• 8:12
  now
• 8:13
  I've
• 8:13
  got
• 8:13
  a
• 8:13
  bit
• 8:13
  more
• 8:13
  of
• 8:14
  a
• 8:14
  framework
• 8:14
  to
• 8:14
  work
• 8:14
  with.
• 8:16
  And
• 8:17
  sometimes
• 8:17
  I
• 8:17
  think
• 8:18
  we
• 8:18
  can
• 8:18
  be
• 8:18
  caught
• 8:18
  up
• 8:19
  in.
• 8:19
  We
• 8:20
  have
• 8:20
  to
• 8:20
  really
• 8:20
  be
• 8:20
  cognizant
• 8:21
  of
• 8:21
  what
• 8:21
  is
• 8:21
  a
• 8:22
  limiting
• 8:22
  belief
• 8:24
  or,
• 8:25
  you
• 8:25
  know,
• 8:25
  that's
• 8:26
  hindering
• 8:26
  our
• 8:26
  progression.
• 8:28
  But
• 8:28
  also
• 8:28
  be
• 8:29
  aware
• 8:29
  that,
• 8:29
  okay,
• 8:29
  have
• 8:30
  the
• 8:30
  discernment
• 8:30
  to
• 8:30
  go,
• 8:31
  okay,
• 8:31
  at
• 8:31
  what
• 8:31
  point
• 8:32
  does
• 8:32
  it
• 8:32
  hinder
• 8:33
  or
• 8:33
  at
• 8:33
  what
• 8:33
  point
• 8:33
  does
• 8:34
  it
• 8:34
  actually
• 8:34
  add
• 8:34
  to
• 8:34
  my.
• 8:36
  My
• 8:36
  development?
• 8:37
  And
• 8:37
  for
• 8:37
  me.
• 8:37
  It
• 8:37
  was.
• 8:38
  It
• 8:38
  was
• 8:38
  a
• 8:38
  little
• 8:38
  bit
• 8:38
  of
• 8:38
  a
• 8:38
  struggle
• 8:38
  with
• 8:39
  that
• 8:39
  early
• 8:39
  on,
• 8:39
  but
• 8:40
  definitely
• 8:41
  now
• 8:41
  I'm
• 8:41
  like,
• 8:41
  a
• 8:42
  student
• 8:42
  of
• 8:42
  music,
• 8:42
  and
• 8:43
  I'm
• 8:43
  always
• 8:43
  learning.
• 8:43
  I
• 8:43
  just
• 8:44
  want
• 8:44
  to
• 8:44
  learn
• 8:44
  more.
• 8:47
  Yeah.
• 8:47
  I
• 8:48
  want
• 8:48
  to
• 8:48
  add
• 8:48
  to
• 8:48
  that
• 8:49
  working
• 8:49
  in
• 8:50
  the
• 8:50
  studio
• 8:50
  environment,
• 8:51
  that.
• 8:51
  That
• 8:52
  opinion
• 8:52
  that,
• 8:53
  you
• 8:53
  know,
• 8:53
  if
• 8:53
  I
• 8:54
  learn
• 8:54
  more,
• 8:54
  it
• 8:54
  will
• 8:55
  sort
• 8:55
  of
• 8:56
  disconnect
• 8:56
  me
• 8:57
  from
• 8:58
  whatever
• 8:59
  muse
• 9:00
  is
• 9:00
  out
• 9:00
  there
• 9:00
  that
• 9:01
  I'm
• 9:01
  connected
• 9:01
  to.
• 9:04
  People
• 9:04
  have
• 9:04
  that
• 9:04
  opinion,
• 9:05
  and
• 9:05
  very
• 9:06
  often
• 9:07
  it
• 9:07
  doesn't
• 9:08
  translate.
• 9:09
  And
• 9:09
  when
• 9:09
  people
• 9:09
  just
• 9:10
  make
• 9:10
  things
• 9:10
  up,
• 9:11
  it's
• 9:12
  rudimentary
• 9:13
  or
• 9:13
  not
• 9:13
  as
• 9:13
  interesting.
• 9:13
  So
• 9:14
  anybody
• 9:15
  listening,
• 9:17
  I
• 9:17
  personally
• 9:17
  don't
• 9:18
  want
• 9:18
  them
• 9:18
  to
• 9:18
  get
• 9:18
  the
• 9:18
  idea
• 9:19
  that
• 9:20
  for
• 9:20
  sure,
• 9:20
  learning
• 9:21
  music
• 9:21
  is
• 9:21
  a
• 9:22
  bad
• 9:22
  thing
• 9:22
  and
• 9:22
  you
• 9:22
  shouldn't
• 9:22
  be
• 9:22
  doing
• 9:23
  it.
• 9:23
  But
• 9:23
  I
• 9:23
  would
• 9:23
  say
• 9:23
  we've
• 9:24
  listened
• 9:24
  to
• 9:24
  your
• 9:24
  music,
• 9:24
  and
• 9:25
  Gabriel,
• 9:25
  in
• 9:26
  your
• 9:26
  case,
• 9:27
  clearly
• 9:27
  you
• 9:28
  have
• 9:28
  some
• 9:28
  intuition
• 9:29
  and
• 9:29
  you
• 9:29
  have
• 9:30
  some
• 9:30
  innate
• 9:30
  understanding
• 9:31
  of
• 9:31
  harmony,
• 9:31
  which
• 9:31
  a
• 9:31
  lot
• 9:32
  of
• 9:32
  people
• 9:32
  do.
• 9:33
  I
• 9:33
  just
• 9:33
  think
• 9:33
  people
• 9:33
  should
• 9:33
  be
• 9:34
  aware
• 9:34
  when
• 9:34
  they're
• 9:34
  exploring
• 9:36
  music,
• 9:36
  on
• 9:37
  whether
• 9:37
  I'm
• 9:38
  not
• 9:38
  the
• 9:38
  kind
• 9:38
  of
• 9:38
  person
• 9:39
  that
• 9:39
  just
• 9:39
  has
• 9:39
  the
• 9:39
  intuition
• 9:40
  that
• 9:40
  flows
• 9:40
  out
• 9:40
  of
• 9:41
  them
• 9:41
  automatically.
• 9:42
  So
• 9:42
  it's
• 9:42
  not
• 9:43
  something
• 9:43
  that
• 9:43
  everyone's
• 9:44
  just
• 9:44
  born
• 9:45
  with,
• 9:45
  and
• 9:45
  there's
• 9:46
  no
• 9:46
  shame
• 9:46
  in
• 9:47
  learning
• 9:48
  more
• 9:48
  and
• 9:49
  getting
• 9:49
  to
• 9:49
  that
• 9:49
  level.
• 9:51
  Agreed.
• 9:51
  It
• 9:52
  seems
• 9:52
  like
• 9:52
  you're
• 9:52
  doing
• 9:53
  now
• 9:53
  on
• 9:53
  top
• 9:53
  of
• 9:54
  the
• 9:54
  intuition
• 9:54
  as
• 9:54
  well.
• 9:55
  Yeah.
• 9:56
  Well,
• 9:56
  that's
• 9:57
  it.
• 9:57
  That's
• 9:57
  the
• 9:58
  journey.
• 10:00
  Music
• 10:00
  is
• 10:01
  just
• 10:01
  another
• 10:01
  language.