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Clay Croft shares a decade of overland adventure, and their new Nordic series · The Overland Journal Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the Overland Journal podcast. I'm your host,
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  Speaker 1: Scott Brady, and I am here with the illustrious clay
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  Speaker 1: Croft from Expedition Overland. Clay Man, it's always such a
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  Speaker 1: wonder to see you man. Just good to see you too. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's so great when we get to spend time together
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  Speaker 1: and you have got you and your team have got
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  Speaker 1: so much going on. So our goal today is let's
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  Speaker 1: talk about some of what you got going on. But
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  Speaker 1: I really want to talk about Alaska. I want to
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  Speaker 1: talk about your adventure there, the things that you've learned,
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  Speaker 1: and then let's talk about your next trip, so we'll
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  Speaker 1: talk about that in the podcast as well, and then
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  Speaker 1: some of the new vehicles you guys are preparing. And
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  Speaker 1: then you've got a new podcast that you guys have
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  Speaker 1: started as well that people need to know about. So
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  Speaker 1: I was watching the show. It is so neat to
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  Speaker 1: see you interact with your kids and just the way
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  Speaker 1: that you set that whole thing up. What inspired you
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  Speaker 1: to do things so different from like the typical they
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  Speaker 1: were usually like this, these hardcore dude trips and now
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  Speaker 1: it's like dude plus little dudes that are learning from
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  Speaker 1: the guys. Yeah, so what inspired you to do that
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  Speaker 1: so differently? It's good question.
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  Speaker 2: I think mentorship has always been something that has been
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  Speaker 2: very important to me. I've had a lot of great
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  Speaker 2: mentors over the years, and now that what were.
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  Speaker 1: Some mentors that you can remember in your life? And
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  Speaker 1: what did you learn from them? Oh?
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  Speaker 2: Man, I've my uncle Jimbo, who is a legendary cowboy,
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  Speaker 2: learning from him, working from him, working under him. Then
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  Speaker 2: when I got into college, I had some really great
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  Speaker 2: like spiritual mentors, sure, stuff that really kind of taught
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  Speaker 2: me the ropes of as you step into manhood, you
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  Speaker 2: know you're actually like doing it, yeah, you know, and
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  Speaker 2: then they're like guiding you do it this way or
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  Speaker 2: maybe not that way, and I look this way.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: As I've got into fatherhood, you've got your father mentors.
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  Speaker 2: And business we've got business mentors. You've been one of
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  Speaker 2: our mentors. It's been a part of my life, and
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  Speaker 2: it has impacted my life so significantly. Like I it
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  Speaker 2: would not be who I am or where I am
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  Speaker 2: in life without these people.
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  Speaker 1: Sure and remaining teachable, stay staying open. It seems like
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  Speaker 1: the people that struggle the most in life are the
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  Speaker 1: ones that think they've got it all figured out.
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  Speaker 2: As soon as you think you got it figured out,
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  Speaker 2: your you're in trouble. You're in trouble. Yeah, And we've
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  Speaker 2: all gone through times. I'm sure I know I have
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  Speaker 2: where I'm like, Oh, I feel like I kind of
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  Speaker 2: got it made and then just right around the life's
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  Speaker 2: like yeah, so I now you're like, okay, okay, okay,
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to I'm going I need to stay
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  Speaker 2: humble because I don't like the pain of pride. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you know, as much as I can avoid it, it is.
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  Speaker 2: It's just too painful.
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  Speaker 1: And it's a.
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  Speaker 2: Pretty far fall when you got a bunch of people
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  Speaker 2: that are there with you pride and thinking you got
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  Speaker 2: it all figured out. And if you think you've got
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  Speaker 2: it all figured out, you're probably not trying hard enough
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  Speaker 2: to because as you keep progressing and working harder towards
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  Speaker 2: bigger and better things, you always just continually realizing how
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  Speaker 2: much you don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Well you have to. I mean, that's one of the
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  Speaker 1: things that I kind of love about that Dunning Krueger
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  Speaker 1: effect is that it reminds us that in the beginning
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  Speaker 1: of learning something new, most people are over confident, so
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  Speaker 1: they don't realize actually how much there is to learn.
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  Speaker 1: So they can consider themselves to be highly confident even
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  Speaker 1: know they maybe know one percent of what there is
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  Speaker 1: to know. And then you go through this period of time,
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  Speaker 1: this kind of trough where you're realizing, like the deeper
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  Speaker 1: I get out into the ocean, the deeper the water is,
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  Speaker 1: so even though you're further away from land, you've made progress.
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  Speaker 1: The water has actually gotten much deeper, so there's so
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  Speaker 1: much more to learn. And then towards the end of
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  Speaker 1: your career, then you get back into that mindset of
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  Speaker 1: that you feel that you don't know much even though
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  Speaker 1: you've learned so much. You've made it so far out
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  Speaker 1: into the ocean, you've learned so many of the skills
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  Speaker 1: that you need for life. But that humility comes back
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  Speaker 1: and you realize that you know what, even though I've
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  Speaker 1: done these things, I still only know a small percentage
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  Speaker 1: of what there is to know. Yeah, and having that
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  Speaker 1: student mindset in life, it really helps us to bring
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  Speaker 1: others around us and we realize how much we need
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  Speaker 1: help from others, and that your successes that you've had, Clay,
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  Speaker 1: are so impressive, but behind you are all of these
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  Speaker 1: incredibly impressive people, Yes, like Rachelle and even your boys
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  Speaker 1: to watch them on the film, and the people that
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  Speaker 1: you've worked with than that have brought you to that point.
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  Speaker 1: It's so impressive to see this powerhouse of individuals that
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  Speaker 1: have helped helped us get there. Yeah, it really takes
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  Speaker 1: a team. I mean down to grandparents watching kids. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: making making the time away possible and taking care of
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  Speaker 1: your kids when you've got to like go move the
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  Speaker 1: needle somewhere to make it all happen. Yeah, Mentorship is
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  Speaker 1: something that was a foundational thing. Alaska is also one
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  Speaker 1: of those places that just don't know, it's very nostalgic, sure,
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  Speaker 1: and so it's really easy to get into some of
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  Speaker 1: these ideas of mentorship and stuff when you're up there
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  Speaker 1: because you know, old hunting guides and just wilderness and
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  Speaker 1: really far back country that it just consequences. Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so there's so much to like, Okay, let's think through this. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I also think when it came to the Alaska series
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  Speaker 2: having that thread of mentorship, and it's also kind of
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  Speaker 2: my time in life too, because my boys are getting older.
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  Speaker 2: Cyrus was just turning you just turned sixteen, was still
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  Speaker 2: getting his driver's list year at the time. And then
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  Speaker 2: I got the vn Strealen Brothers, right, you know, they
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  Speaker 2: were nineteen and seventeen, and then I got Cyrus who
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  Speaker 2: was just sixteen. I mean, these guys are like they're
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  Speaker 2: they're getting up and running, but they're right they're clumsy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Sure, so it's like, oh, do this, do that? And
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  Speaker 2: then I brought in other guys that I knew were
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  Speaker 2: really on board with mentorship, Ryan Connolly and doctor John Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So John Solberg, Yeah, and you and I had I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I have known doctor John for a long time. He's
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  Speaker 1: contributed to Overline Journal for many years, but we had
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  Speaker 1: the chance to really spend time with him in Greenland.
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  Speaker 2: That's where I got to know doctor John.
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  Speaker 1: And that's and that's when we It was interesting because
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  Speaker 1: I was talking with with Greg about who we should
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  Speaker 1: bring along from the medical side, and we were talking
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  Speaker 1: about different options and I said, he said, I got
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  Speaker 1: this this guy. He's a he's an ex Army trauma surgeon.
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  Speaker 1: And I said he's down. Yeah, And Greg's like, it's
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  Speaker 1: like the right guy, the right guy. And he ended
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  Speaker 1: up being the perfect guy, the perfect guy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And the Alaska expedition came along with We had
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  Speaker 2: some other hardcore ideas before that, but the whole COVID stuff.
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  Speaker 2: So I had to ask John for you know, hey,
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  Speaker 2: do you want to be a part of this other idea?
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  Speaker 2: And he was down. And then so none of that
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  Speaker 2: worked out. So I called him back, and I said, Hey,
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  Speaker 2: you know what, we're going to do this now, and
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  Speaker 2: it's really really different. It's gonna I'm going to have
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  Speaker 2: these guys and we're gonna these young guys and we're
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  Speaker 2: going to go into Alaska and we're just going to
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  Speaker 2: go look around and fish and do that sort of trip. Right,
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  Speaker 2: do you still want to go? Fully expected him and
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  Speaker 2: be like, yeah, I'm out, And he thought about it
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  Speaker 2: for a couple of days and he said no, I'm
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  Speaker 2: in one hundred percent. So I was like, all right, cool.
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  Speaker 2: And Doctor John ended up being like he is so fatherly.
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  Speaker 2: Is he's at the expo here? I didn't, so, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: he's coming in today and he's North Dakota boy. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and his dad's a farmer and all that. So he
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  Speaker 2: had so much to offer these guys he taught. He
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  Speaker 2: taught them so much. I learned so much. Sure, And
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  Speaker 2: we took care of each other every night we're in
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  Speaker 2: the Patriot camper and we'd like, hey, do you need
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  Speaker 2: the beard oil for the night?
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  Speaker 1: Here you go.
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  Speaker 2: And in the morning he'd wake up and he'd make
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  Speaker 2: me a coffee too. Always taking care of each other.
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  Speaker 1: That's good. That makes all the difference. Yeah, And also
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  Speaker 1: the Alaska trip that you just did is kind of
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  Speaker 1: an origin story too, because it's one of the big
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  Speaker 1: trips that you guys started with.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's where I started as my camera career, cinematography career.
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  Speaker 2: I worked up there on a little show called Our
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  Speaker 2: Five Sons Alaska and it taught us how to shoot
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  Speaker 2: remotely in the back country, living out of this lodge,
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  Speaker 2: operating off the generators.
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  Speaker 1: And that was so neat seeing you reinteract with those folks.
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  Speaker 1: You had parents up there, Yeah, that you had met
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  Speaker 1: over a decade prior. Yeah, over a decade, and I
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  Speaker 1: hadn't seen him in a long time. And then we
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  Speaker 1: did shoot the original Alaska series and when we shot that,
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  Speaker 1: I was in twenty thirteen. That was so big. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know, to go to Alaska.
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  Speaker 2: That was the dream, which is so many people's dream
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  Speaker 2: still and it should be. It's an amazing place to go,
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  Speaker 2: especially as your big overland trip, first big overland trip.
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  Speaker 1: It was great to go there.
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  Speaker 2: Having that kind of experience also led towards the stewardship
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  Speaker 2: mentorship towards these other guys, because you're very familiar with
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  Speaker 2: the place and you're like, if you're kind of at
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  Speaker 2: home right there, and so you can facilitate more more stuff.
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  Speaker 1: So I was reading this book. The name of the
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  Speaker 1: book is, I think it's called Your Rich Life or
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  Speaker 1: something like that. There's this concept in there about you
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  Speaker 1: got to kind of identify this stuff that really that
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  Speaker 1: really makes a difference for you, that really matters, because
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  Speaker 1: you see so many people that never really achieve financial freedom.
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  Speaker 1: It's because they buy all of the things, or they
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  Speaker 1: buy some cheap version of all of the things, because
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  Speaker 1: they feel like they have to any that all the stuff.
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  Speaker 1: So they you know, they buy a fairly expensive toaster,
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  Speaker 1: a fairly expensive this, and they're always leasing their cars
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  Speaker 1: and they're always trying to acquire all of the things.
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  Speaker 1: Whereas if you just decide on like what's really important,
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  Speaker 1: like what is your rich life? And for me, coffee
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  Speaker 1: is one of those things. So I spare no expense,
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  Speaker 1: but then I don't I don't spend money on a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of other things and that yeah, coffee is like
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  Speaker 1: pretty much. Yeah, I actually don't don't really know what
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  Speaker 1: it what else would be on that list. I mean
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  Speaker 1: there are things that like hobbies like I love I
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  Speaker 1: love sailing, so I do spend money on that, but
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  Speaker 1: then I'll also just don't spend money on a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of other things and then it frees up resources.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, as I'm getting further, I'm getting that more and more.
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  Speaker 1: That way, you got to decide the thing that just
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  Speaker 1: like really makes a difference for you, because it's surprising.
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  Speaker 1: Like let's say you're kind of into guns, and you
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  Speaker 1: spend a bunch of money on guns, but it's not
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  Speaker 1: really the thing that you really love. Then you could
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  Speaker 1: spend ten thousand dollars that could go towards financial freedom
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  Speaker 1: in the future, that could be invested and used to
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  Speaker 1: your advantage. Some people are really into cars, and then
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  Speaker 1: maybe that's their rich life is to do that. I
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  Speaker 1: think his name is remat Seti is the authors. You
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  Speaker 1: have to read that book. Yeah, it's a pretty good book.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, this was the key takeaway for me. There
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  Speaker 1: were other parts of the book that were that were
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  Speaker 1: not so great, but that was the key takeaway of Like,
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  Speaker 1: because you'll hear other financial advisors they'll say, oh, don't
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  Speaker 1: don't buy a coffee and save that three dollars every day,
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  Speaker 1: it's not enough. Whereas if you don't buy a fifty
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  Speaker 1: thousand dollars car, and I actually moved it that actually
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  Speaker 1: really moves a needle. But you got to figure out
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  Speaker 1: what really works for you, and then that allows you
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  Speaker 1: to spend those resources on your future and building towards
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  Speaker 1: the future.
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  Speaker 2: So that was a total tangent. But yeah, that's a
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  Speaker 2: good tangent.
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  Speaker 1: Tangent.
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  Speaker 2: Coffee was my sixty two series land Cruiser. See there
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  Speaker 2: you go, like, you know, I've spent a lot of
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  Speaker 2: money on that car. Yeah, but I get in it
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  Speaker 2: and I take it to go get coffee, and and
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  Speaker 2: it brings me so much joy to get in that
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  Speaker 2: car and drive down to the coffee shop, you know,
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  Speaker 2: because life's crazy, life is crick and then that's what
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  Speaker 2: I've spent and I just love getting in that thing.
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  Speaker 1: It brings me so much. And it's a sixty or
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  Speaker 1: sixty two, which it's a sixty two, so it has
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  Speaker 1: the automatic. Yeah. Rachelle, I mean she's like an amazing barista.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah you know, so she like I remember coming to
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  Speaker 1: your house years ago and she's like she's like making
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  Speaker 1: me like this most perfect cappuccino right there from your kitchen.
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  Speaker 2: She still does. She loves it too. The coffee is
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  Speaker 2: a big thing in our house too.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, at the end of the day, if all of
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  Speaker 1: these new fangled trucks that you've got, if they all
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  Speaker 1: went away and you walked out of your house and
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  Speaker 1: you saw your six sixty two, I'd be okay, it
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  Speaker 1: would be just fine, would be fine. So I think think,
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  Speaker 1: I think it's just important to know what those things
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  Speaker 1: are so that way we don't spend a bunch of
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  Speaker 1: time energy. Time is way more valuable than money anyways.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, it all takes something from us to try
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  Speaker 1: to maintain stuff that people don't actually care about. So true.
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  Speaker 2: I think even through the last couple of trips, and
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  Speaker 2: I guess getting older, you realize how important time is.
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  Speaker 2: You and I've had a lot of good discussions about
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  Speaker 2: this over the years on our trips and stuff like that, that.
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  Speaker 1: We're stuck in lankers ers for days and days and days.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we get to you know, we're doing amazing things,
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  Speaker 2: but and then you get this time of reflection where
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  Speaker 2: you're like, man, the time is truly our time is
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  Speaker 2: truly the most important thing that we can have. Doesn't
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  Speaker 2: matter how much money you have or anything, because once
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  Speaker 2: you lose people in your life. You start to see
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  Speaker 2: other things of your life go away because of the
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  Speaker 2: natural process of life, like kids leave in the house
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  Speaker 2: pretty soon. Sure, friends are family passing away and stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Time is everything. So now I'm not really focused anymore
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  Speaker 2: on like how much money I can make or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: It's really getting into how much I can manage the
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  Speaker 2: time I've got. Yeah, to make sure that I'm living
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  Speaker 2: the life that we possibly can. And the trips that
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  Speaker 2: we plan to go do are are trips that mean
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  Speaker 2: a lot to us because we're going to be gone
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  Speaker 2: for months. It better matter. Yeah, you better be there
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  Speaker 2: for a reason and know why you're there, not just
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  Speaker 2: to be making a cool movie or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: You know. Well, and what a perfect example of that
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  Speaker 1: with Alaska. It's something that was really important to you.
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  Speaker 1: It was important to do with your boys, and important
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  Speaker 1: to do with other young men in your life, and
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  Speaker 1: it was important to bring other mentors along that you
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  Speaker 1: care about, you've spent time with, developed friendships and relationships with.
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  Speaker 1: And it really came across in the show. It really
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  Speaker 1: came across to I mean, you could see in the
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  Speaker 1: beginning that people are getting used to each other. A
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  Speaker 1: lot of those guys adding ment each other, which is
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  Speaker 1: that even says more about it. Yeah, and then you
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  Speaker 1: start introducing these other folks as they as they come
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  Speaker 1: in to the story. You know, by the time the
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  Speaker 1: thing gets to the middle, like everybody's working together and
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  Speaker 1: they're all learning from each other. What were some of
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  Speaker 1: the key things that you learned from the young guys?
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  Speaker 1: What did they teach you on that trip.
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  Speaker 2: It's always refreshing to have new sets of eyes come
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  Speaker 2: back into something that you've been doing a lot of
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  Speaker 2: and to see their excitement. I take energy off of that,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it kind of feeds me too, like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I remember how that felt when this was all so new. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it pulls it up, pulls that feeling up in it
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  Speaker 2: feels so good. They teach you a lot by what
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  Speaker 2: the younger generation. If you're watching them, they're showing you
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  Speaker 2: which way the world's going, what's coming because they have
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  Speaker 2: different priorities, and we talked about different stuff that I
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't have never talked about. So I feel like I
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  Speaker 2: got tuned up a little bit, like a little bit
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  Speaker 2: more in touch with, you know, what's actually happening out
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  Speaker 2: there from their perspective.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I don't have I don't have kids, Clay,
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: but I have to say, you know, not like how
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: generations will always be like kids these days, right, I
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: think kids these days are amazing. They're pretty cool. I mean,
• 14:41
  Speaker 1: if I look back at when I was like your
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: kid's age, I was an absolute maniac. I mean, like
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: the torture my more parents endured at my hand, you know,
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: and just like this completely ridiculous and dumb an irresponsible
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: things that I did, like really like destructive things that,
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: you know, things that you even regret later on. Like
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: I look at my nephews, you know, like fifteen and seventeen,
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: and they're they're just the coolest kids on the planet.
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: And they're not on social media all the time. They
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: don't they're so thoughtful of their mom my sister, they're
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: so thoughtful of her, and they're just I love spending
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: time with them. They're they're way smarter than I was,
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: you know, or am Yeah, they're.
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: Way smarter than I was two at that day.
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: So, and I don't want to use a broad brush
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: because there's no question that families are struggling with their kids,
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: and maybe there are challenges, but I think in general,
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: they're just much more thoughtful they than I was. I mean,
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: they're just a little bit more in touch. Maybe they're
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: having to mature too quickly. Pretty amazing. Has that been
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: your experience.
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm I'm on the boat that like kids,
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: and especially when they grew up in an adventurous lifestyle.
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: It is amazing how hard you can push your kids
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: into like big things fast they can take it. And
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: I see a lot of folks out there that are
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: like really really guard their kids and like oh oh
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: oh oh, you know, yeah, that kind of thing, and
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: you're like, man, you should let those kids run.
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: They can.
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: There's kids chopping wood at eight years old all over
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: the world, no doubt about it. Out there. You're afraid
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: to let him have a pocket knife.
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: And it wasn't that long ago historically speaking that and
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: you said it's Cyrus at sixteen yep, as sixteen year
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: old male would likely be getting married soon. Yeah, So
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: I mean not that long ago in human history. Really
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: wasn't that long ago at all. You're right. I think
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: that they're they're pretty durable, yeah, and pretty capable.
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: Watching my own son Cyrus go from a he had
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: his learner's permit, he didn't have his driver's license, yet
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: he was working towards it. It's never really been super
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: interested in expedition expedition y things, sure, over landy things.
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: But then he started to get his driver's license and
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: started to click, and then he wanted to drive hard
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: and get all of his hours and stuff. And I
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: watched him over I mean we were only in Alaska
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: for four weeks. He gained over twenty five hours of
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: drive time in that four weeks that we were there,
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: three weeks of like drivable time. And then on top
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: of all the other experiences in those three weeks. I
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: go back and I watched that movie. It's amazing how
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: much that kid grew in those three weeks. It gets
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: expeditions or big trips like that where they get challenged
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: at this age is like miracle grow. Yeah, you just
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: pour it on them and it's like a boom. They
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: come out a different person. And we all do it
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: to some degree, but you know, you kind of taper
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: off as you get experience in life and blah blah blah.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: But right now maybe they're just yeah, setting your ways,
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: they're just pulling it in and adapting, and they even
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: the Van Straalen brothers had walked out, who've been living
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: out of jeeps for six years, walked out of a
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: trip like that, like completely different in ways, you know,
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: And we've had great conversations about that. I think for them,
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: they weren't with their family. Yeah, sure, they've done epic
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: family road trip for a long time. They've been in
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: that environment, and like, all right, well we're gonna take
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: YouTube boys and we're gonna put them in this environment.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: We're gonna push you over here.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: Interact with new people. Yeah, new situations, new expectations. Yeah. Yeah.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: And I talked to Peter and Carroll their folks before
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: we left. In their life, this is just like the
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: best thing ever. Take them and run them hard, you know,
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: like this is awesome.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: So if you're out there listening, I would say, like, man,
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: take take the neighbor kid. Yeah, take your nephews and
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: your nieces and get them outside and let them drop
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: some wood, let them make some mistakes, let them go
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: get a little lost, keep an eye on them. And
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: it's incredible for younger people to go do this.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: My mom passed away recently, as you know, and so
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: I had the opportunity to take my nephews and my
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: dad on the sailboat and my nephews had never sailed before.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: And again they're super athletic, super smart, capable. Like within
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: a few hours, they're sailing this boat and I'm just
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: sitting on the back, you know, pulpit seats with my
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: dad and we're just watching. We're watching these kids. Brady
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: the youngest, was on the helm and Ethan the oldest,
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: he's tacking the boat, running the sheets. I mean, they're
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: calling out the right commands. You know, we're healed over.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: You know. It's just wow. It was awesome. Yeah, it
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: was just awesome to watch. And I do think that
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: you're right. If you can get the opportunity to allow
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: a young person to feel confident, to feel safe to
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: try and fail, they're going to surprise the heck out
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: of you.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: To try and fail. That's important. That's important for all
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: of us. We're also stuck in this idea that we
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: have to get it right the first time. I deal
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: with that with my boys, I don't. That's maybe something
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: I've seen in the younger generation that they are actually
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: quite afraid to fail and they wanted to do it right.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's just from my boys perspective or whatever. They're
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: very afraid to fail. They take it very hard if
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: they didn't do it right the first time. Right, So
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: I think it's good. Overlanding is a series of problems
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: solving and a series of failures.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: A series of failures.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: It forces people and young boys and people in general
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: goals too. It doesn't matter to you have to approach problems,
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: fail at problems, overcome those problems, to keep moving. It's
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: one of the best things I think you could ever do.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: It is anybody, and even with our own teams, you know,
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: like when I work with my team, you know, I
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: talk about the fact that I make mistakes all the time,
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: and then we start to be able to talk about that.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: We start to realize, like we had this mistake, we
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: had this issue come up when not everyone's trying to
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: be perfect or trying to appear perfect, because you can't
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: really be perfect. You can, you can work really hard
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: to appear perfect, but that takes an enormous amount of energy.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: It's a waste of time. It is a way the time.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: So I think getting to failure earlier and recognizing like
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: this isn't working, especially on an overland trip, I think
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: it totally relates to that because we do talk a
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: lot about cascade of events, and we recognize that you
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: can make a bunch of small concessions or mistakes, whatever
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: you want to call them. If you make a mistake
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: and you have a concession like, oh, it wasn't that
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: big of a deal, We're going to keep going. We
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: just punctured a tire. We now have our spare on
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: the vehicle. We're almost going to make it, or we're
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: almost at the top of the hill, and the next
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: tire goes, and then the weather comes in and the
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: things start compounding very quickly. And I think that as
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: overland travelers, if we recognize early on that failure is
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: a component of it, and that good training, making good decisions,
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: having good preparation and planning, and then not getting too
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: deep into it where you can't get back out. And
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: that's really where people struggle. And it's not so much
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: that anymore with the communications that we have and people
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: aren't really going all that remote that often, but I
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: think it can be really hard on relationships because things
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: start to not go well. Next thing, you know, husband
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: and wife are fighting, nobody's having a good time, kids
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: are crying, you know, you're stuck on the side of
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: the road and you're waiting for somebody to help you out.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: Whereas I think making those recognizing like this isn't working,
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: this isn't going perfect, and I need to make some changes.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: I need to adjust course that can lead to a
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: lot better outcomes. I think agreed.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: And there's a mental state that when you approach any
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: big trip or expedition or whatever, that the problem solving
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: is the trip, you know, and making good decisions is
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: the trip. And then having a full understanding between the
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: group of people what the expectations of the trip is
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: too to the best of your abilities, and knowing your
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: thresholds of risk sure and when your turnaround points are
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: and stuff.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: I can manage a lot of that, especially if everybody's
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: on the same page, because if everybody's kind of in
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: it for pushing that threshold. I remember, and we've talked
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: about that in some of the content that we've put
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: out on the Greenland trip and that you've got in
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: the film that hopefully people get to see. Soon. We
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: got to a point where we needed to make sure
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: everybody was okay continuing. We needed to start a dialogue
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: around these are the risks, it's starting to feel unsafe
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: to certain members of the party. There's decisions that needed
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: to be made, and what ultimately ended up happening is
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: that we made some concessions that felt safe enough to everybody,
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: like we're going to only go this much further and
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: then we're going to turn around, instead of saying we're
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: just going to keep pushing towards the final goal. And
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: we were fortunate that the clouds lifted in the sun
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: loose sky, the sun came out, the sun came out,
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: and it shined on our little expedition and we were
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: able to make it to our goal. But that doesn't
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: always happen. Yeah, sometimes you end up like that Muskox
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: frozen in the snow. Yeah.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: So what Scott's talking about is when we got towards
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: the top of Greenland on the Greenland Expedition, we were
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: crossing the long axis, crossing from south to north across
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: the Greenland ice Cap, and we were getting very close
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: to the top. This really epically bad snowstorm windstorm came
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: in that was just blowing snow around. We were approaching
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: the end of the ice cap, which means that the
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: glaciers start to begin and there's crevass zones that question,
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: and we were all like, we can't see three feet
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: in front of us. We all have to maintain contact
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: with the vehicles right now, as you could get lost.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: We actually did lose visual contact at one point, we
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: remember we did.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: We radioed each other's coordinates to each other, and we
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: were one hundred and fifty feet away from each other
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: or something like that. It was so close to each other,
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: basically on top of each other. Yeah, but we couldn't
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: see each other, that's right. So we were in that
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: kind of an environment, which is an alien environment, so foreign, totally,
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: pretty wild. So I worked through the film to tell
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: that story, and I recognized a whole bunch of stuff
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: about what was happening in that moment. The baseline was
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: everyone was there, absolutely, everyone was there to reach the
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: goal of getting to Wolfland, touching Terra Firma on the
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: other side of the ice cap, to see that we
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: crossed it.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: That was no doubt.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: What was starting to happen was there was a breakdown
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: in communication of the understanding of what the conditions were
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: and what we were going to encounter. Some guys knew
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: what it was. You and Emill knew what it was.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Some of us did.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: We don't really know what we're actually heading into here,
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: and so it caused a dialogue.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: We had it over the radios. We even had some
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: in person and some in person. Yeah. I remember doctor
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: John coming up to the wind though, And you're right.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: It was filling in that gap of we're not going
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: to go into the crevass zone if we can't see.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: And I think as soon as that was clear, then
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: everybody felt comfortable, all right, we're going to keep going.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, then we could see, then we could Yeah. But
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: what an amazing exercise. Yeah, it was of decision making
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: and understanding where everybody was on the same page. Everyone
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: is very aware of not having cascading events start to happen.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: It's right to me, I think, not to pat ourselves
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: on the back. But that was like the team was
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: running at their fullest potential at that point. Even though
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: it wasn't feeling maybe smooth, it actually was smooth because
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: we were all decisions as a team well, and it.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Was you guys were communicating your concerns, and then Emma
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: and I were working on the this is the data
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: that we can share, and then Greg was taking that
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: data in so he could make decisions on how we're
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: going to proceed forward, and I think it really helped.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: It helped to have clear data and also have a
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: clear understanding of people's concerns.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: I think that what happened there just before we reached
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: the end. By the time that we had turned around
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: and got back to it's where we got off the
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: ice sheet again in kinder Luciak. That went so incredibly
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: smooth at that point, probably because of what had happened
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: in the North. It helped the whole decisions. So because
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: that was even that was way crazier. You'll have to
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: wait for the movie.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: But which if you have any updates on that, you
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: like to sure.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: I've had great conversations with Greg. We're working on we've
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: been working together on that film, like where to get
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: It placed? And it's Greg's Greg Miller's film, so he
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: had both had good ideas on where we wanted to
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: take it, like Amazon and Netflix and things like that,
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: and through a process called aggregation, we've come to some
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: ideas like where where we can place it now, So
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: it's it's getting closer, That's what I can say.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: Maybe we'll be able to make an announcement soon which
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: I think people are really excited. It's amazing the number
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: of requests I still get for like where the longest
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• 26:42
  Speaker 1: What were the takeaways for you from Alaska? What did
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: you What did Clakeroth learn from that?
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: I learned that I had learned a lot. It's sometimes
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: really nice to go go back to some places that
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: are for me, it's memorable. I had a lot of
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: experiences there. And then when I went back there and
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: to see how I was able to run and the
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: films we were able to shoot there, I was like, man,
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: we have made some good progress a long way. We've
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: come a long way, and like, I know what, because
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: the last time that we were there in twenty thirteen, man,
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: I had no idea what I was doing.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: Yeeah.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: We were having like we didn't know where we were
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: in the films. We didn't know like am I in
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: episode five or am I episode seven? I have no idea?
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: Now when we're up there running, we were like we're
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: in episode four somewhere around minute twenty, Okay, you know,
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: and the filmmaking is so much better and we know
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: what we're doing, and so to walk away kind of
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: just kind of like okay, just a breath of fresh air,
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: saying like, okay, kind of know what we're doing now.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: Oh you guys so good. You guys have done so amazing,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: So incredibly proud of you and Rachelle on the team.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it's been so incredible to watch
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: your journey. You guys keep doing more and more impressive adventures,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: but then even things like Alaska, where it's not so
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: much that it's this overwhelming overland challenge, you addressed other
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: challenges like how do we do a good job of
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: sharing this craft with future generation? And that's it shows
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: the point where you guys are at, which is really awesome.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: We love a challenge, for sure, but we also really
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: love a story. Yeah, you know, and storytelling is a
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: powerful thing. So now that we have tools through experience
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: and just you know, in our filmmaking tool chest, we've
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: got tools to use, we're able now to tell different stories.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: And that's that's fun too. We're not shy. I have
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: a good adventure, ah, no doubt. Talking a little bit
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: technical about trucks and stuff. What worked really well in
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: Alaska and what didn't work so well in Alaska? We
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: ran thirty five inch tires regeared Tacoma's. It's a big
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: tire on Takeoma. It's a big tire on a Tacoma was.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: But we knew what Alaska holds. There's a lot of
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: muskeke and mud and river crossings and stuff. And I
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: was like, we just frankly we wanted to try it. Yeah,
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: sure they look cool. It looked fun. They do the cool.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: I really really loved running a thirty five inch tire
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: on a Tacoma. Am I am I telling anybody out
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: there to go do this. No, I'm not saying that
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: because there's a lot that you have to do to
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: make this work.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: Because once you run forty fours on a Highlex, you
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: really want thirty five on a Tacoma. Yeah, you really
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: want four four.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: Between the suspension that we had there, the re gearing
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: and the thirty fives and everything, those trucks drove so
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: well awesome, It was awesome the production.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: Did you run a mud tire?
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we ran the X three Grabber X three nice
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: and which is a really great tire for Alaska. It's
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: super tough, it's and.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: It doesn't seem overly aggressive either, so it can handle
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: some road miles and yeah, you can found them miles
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: not too loud. Yeah, they're really great for that.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: We ran AT's the first year and that tire did well.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: But you know, we have the choice working with General
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: Tire Wood Tire. We want to run I said, now
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: we're going back to Alaska. We're going to do a
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: lot of rivers. We're going to do a lot of
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: like the Dempster Highway in itself can be a thing.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: And it was let's run, what's run. The heavier X
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: three is the tougher tire, and if no doubt, was
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: the right decision.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: So then you guys went up to Tuck t Yaktuck
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: as well. Then not on this trip. It was the
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: other trip because of COVID, that's right, Yeah, and that's
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: why we fair can get into Canada. Sure.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: A lot of folks were like, why'd you take the fara?
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: Why didn't you drive up? And I was like, so
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: you went up to Dalton, Yeah, we went up the
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: doll Did I say the Dempster? Yeah, I'm sorry, got
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: my turdswisted. Yeah, we had to take the ferry. We
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: couldn't get into Canada all that. I mean, I guess
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: we could have, but it would have just been it
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: was too much. Yeah, sure, it's just too much. Taking
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: the Maritime Highway up to Alaska was fantastic. We hadn't
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: done that either.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: And it's so beautiful, as I understand, I've not done.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: It, you know, I've driven the Pan America or not
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: the Pan America. But that section of sure, the alcan
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: sure three or four times now Sure. So it was
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: really great to do something different and it was well
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: worth it. So if you're thinking about going up to Alaska,
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: consider either going up or coming back on the Maritime Highway. Yeah,
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: go one direction, one direction. Yeah, it is amazing.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: So you liked the thirty fives. That felt like a
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: big win for the trucks. Anything else that you found
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: worked just really really great. That one thing where you
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: were like, you know what that one jacket.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: You know, we've gone to lithium batteries now I think
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: so much about production, like how much power draw we
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: have and going to solar and lithium power. We have
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: been using the red ARC systems just with how well
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: they managed everything and that we monitor things.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: Our power problems have gone away. Oh that's good.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: It's been a thing. Yeah, you guys been a thing
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: for a long time. It's not typical of every Overlander
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: that would have these types of power problems. But we're charged.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: We're flying big drones sometimes up to ten thirteen times
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: a day, big battery power packs, all of our cameras
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: all so we got our power management systems like dialed
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: and we were gonna win running It felt like we
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: were just ninjas up there.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: That's awesome. It was awesome. What didn't work so well?
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: What did you take away? Like, Yeah, I probably wouldn't
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: do that next time we.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: Built out Raven, which is our other twenty twenty Takoma. Yeah,
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: we had put deck drawer system in the back. We
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: ran to go fast, but we didn't have time to
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: like kind of organize it the best. It's amazing how
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: if you don't get your organization dialed on a certain truck,
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: how much resistance and drag it creates on a trip
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: when you're moving things to get to things and it's
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: just you can't see into stuff and you don't know
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: where things are. That truck kind of became a mess,
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: and we have sense rework that truck. From that expedition,
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: that's probably the biggest takeaway. We decided that we wanted
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: to go back to live in camper system and have
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: the drawers different or are operating in our living environment.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: It's very unique to us. But that's the takeaway from there.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: It was like, okay, now what we have where our
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: trucks have gone with, like how we built Meridian with
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: the at habitat and the living system. That is the
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: right way for us to build a truck for what
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: we're doing.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: Got it because you can get out of the weather,
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: you can do work, manage files and stuff.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: At the end of the day, we don't need a
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: cargo truck, right, we need a live in truck. And
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: so when we got back and all those products, I'm
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: not dissing products or anything like that or those companies.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: It's how we organize it and what we did with it. Yeah, sure,
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: we just needed it to be different, and so we
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: have done that now it's here at Expo. Completely rebuilt
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: the things that dream machine.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: That was the same thing that we experienced though with
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: the seventy nine series on Expedition seven. So you had
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: these land cruisers that you could sleep in. They were
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: very efficient. They were intentionally austere, so you just couldn't
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: have a bunch of junk in them. And because of that,
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: they were fast. They were efficient, like you never wondered
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: where something was, and then you had whoever was in
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: the seventy nine the four door short bed pick up.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: There was no place for them to sleep, so they're
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: setting up a tent or tearing down a tent. They're
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: trying to get all their gear, all their bags out,
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: and it ends up taking them three times longer to
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: either set up camp, so then they get less rest
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: and less restoration than the rest of the guys do,
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: and then it takes them three times longer to put
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: everything away, and that gear also gets a lot more
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: abuse because it's not stored properly. Things are bouncing around
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: in the back of the truck. It's really heavy. So
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: you're right. Once you end up with one vehicle that's
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: kind of incongruent with the rest, it affects the people
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: that are in it, and it also affects the whole trip.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the repercussions, the feel of it, like the impact
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: is so real, and you might say, oh man, you
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: might be listening and say like, oh, that seems really nitpicky.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: This usually really comes in play about day ten.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: Sure, you know you can do anything for a weekend. Yeah,
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: and see, and I don't have fun. I do that
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: all time. You throw stuff in and go get us sing.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: This is when you're like trying to make miles go
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: see countries live, have to work, be on top of
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: your game. This is the stuff that really starts to matter.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: It does so, and that's where we're at now. We
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: just we got to build our lives around these trucks
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: so that there is efficient as possible, so that you
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: can thrive and do the best work possible.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. Well you guys did such a great
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: job with that. Those that are listening, please check out
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: the Alaska series from the folks at Xoverland. It just
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: turned out really great, really neat to see that whole
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: transformation for all of you guys along that. Thank you.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: You've got a couple of the things that are happening
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: that are cool that people need to know about. So
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: you've got the Overlander Network, So let's talk about that
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: for a little bit.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so the Overlander Network is it's a new project,
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: but it's something that we see as very valuable for
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: the overland industry to continue to grow. And it's storytelling.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: Right now, there's great resources through YouTube and sure Vimeo
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: and things like that, but there's not really a place
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: that is really helping cultivate really high end storytelling because frankly,
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: if you want to succeed at YouTube, it needs to
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: be produced as cheap and as quickly.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: As possible idea. How it works. It's a raised to
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: the potum. Yeah, we apply, we apply our same strategies
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: of quality towards that, and it doesn't It does seem
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: to make a difference. I could take a video with
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: my cell phone and it's timely and it's maybe even
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: something that's not available, and it gets like ten times
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: more views.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: It's frustrating. So like you can go, shoot, you know,
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: a project that took you eight months to make, Yeah,
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: and the viewership will be less than somebody whatever, somebody
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: just talked to their phone. Yeah, you know, it is
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: what it is. You know, it's its own beast and
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: it has its own advantages and stuff. But there's there's
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: a lot of advantages out of it too. Yeah, yeah,
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: for sure, But there's a lot of disadvantages to like
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: high end filmmaking. You know, it's just not an environment
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: that's there to reward it. And I think as as
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: we grow and as the industry grows and people are
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: exploring the world more, the camera tech has really come
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: along a way that allows us to tell really amazing stories.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: We needed a place that will foster high end content
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: that will reward it. Frankly, it has to come from
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: behind a paywall, because obviously YouTube just won't reward that
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: sort of thing. There's anomalies to that, for sure, But
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: if you look at the long haul and what it
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: would take to build a sustainable network that would uphold
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: high quality content, you've got to change the model. Look
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: at Disney pluses and other things that look the way
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: that it's going. There's a lot of advantages to that
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: to the viewership because it can actually support high end stuff,
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: stuff that's really fun to watch, but it costs money
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: to make. So that's what we're working on there. It's new,
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: We've got some we've got already a base of subscribers
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: there that have been holding on and you're out there,
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: thank you for holding on. As we are working through
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: the business model changes and all that. We've got a
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: lot of exciting things coming on that, a lot of
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: app development and back end stuff. That's what I'll leak
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: right now. So, man, it just took an army of
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: people at one time. I didn't know what I was
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: getting into when I started this thing. You know, you're like, oh,
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: this is a great idea, we should do this, and
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: it is a good idea, but like, okay, but it's
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: going to take an army of people to do this.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: At one point we've had thirty some people working on
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: back end stuff to get the all the apps and
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: the process and the user experience. Crush for thirty people. Yeah,
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: so it's been it's been a project. I had a
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: lot of people get to that so right now landernetwork
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: dot com and then but soon they're going to be
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: able to like download it as an app, be able
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: to watch it and just like you would Disney Plus
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: and all. That's awesome, So stay tuned. That's coming in.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: Then we got a lot of cool, fun content that's
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: only going to go there for the people that have
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: supported us and pay for that paywall, they get the stuff.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: It'll never hit YouTube. Oh that's cool.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: And then you started a podcast recently, so talk to
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: us about that. Yeah, yeah, what's the name of the podcast,
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: The x.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: X Overline Podcast. It's been a long time coming. But
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: you know, just like anything, there's a lot of good
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: ideas out there, but you got to wait for the
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: right time to do it right. And we're a little
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: late to the game, I suppose, but no, not at all.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: It was one we could get that great content Yeah,
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: so we're really excited. We've we've started it, just launched
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: it here in May. May eleventh is when it launched,
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: and it's doing really well everything about overlanding and a
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: lot of stuff around expedition overland, like from filmmaking to
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: the trips that we've done, to the trucks that we've built,
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: answering a lot of the questions that come through area.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: So you can actually have an episode on Meridian and
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: you can talk about this is the vehicle, these are
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: the suspension components we've put on it, so it answers
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: all those questions that people have. What podcasts do you
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: like to listen to? Maybe they're overland podcasts, maybe they're not.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: Which ones do you really enjoy? I listened to I
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: listened to all of yours. Oh thank you. Yeah.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: I learned so much through your your guys' podcasts. I'm
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: always waiting on Paated Breath Journal podcast. I like Mike
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: Glover stuff, like.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: He's good, he's super sharp guy, he's a great interviewer
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: and yeah, a lot of good energy.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: I like his thinking, like how he thinks, just the
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: way he thinks, his approach really cool, his approach. There
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: you go, Art to Manliness is always a fun one.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: I haven't listened to that one. I'll have to check.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: That's all you can learn, but I have seen their
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: website and stuff in the past.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: It's a fun one. Order of Ryan Mickler Jack Carr's
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: podcasts have been listening.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: To a lot of that. I've never listened to it,
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: but I've I've heard of people talking about it.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: A lot of intellectual stuff like he you know, he
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: comes from the Seal Team world. Yeah, he's interviewing like
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: really sharp intellectual people inside the like defense space and beyond,
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: like so much more too. So I learned a lot.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: Is it like a Jocko Willink podcast a little bit? Yeah?
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a little softer than Jocko.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Jocko still hasn't like taken a breath like
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: twenty something.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: It's amazing. Breathe Yeah, just breathed and his breath. Welcome
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: to the Jocko podcast. So, but I've been listening to
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: a lot of books though.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, and what what books have you been listening
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: to that you're digging on?
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: If you haven't listened to Endurance, you need to. Yeah,
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: on Shackleton's it's amazing, especially since they just found the boat.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: They just found it, which is so incredible, in credible
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: The River of Doubt. Okay, you writ on Teddy Roosevelt's journey, oh.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: Through the through the jungles of South America.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just after his failed third presidency, right term.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: It nearly killed him, didn't it. They were telling they
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: were telling it. He was telling his kid to like that,
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: leave me behind. You have to read this book. I've
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: read it. I've heard it's amazing. Yeah.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: I was like, man, we are just if you ever
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: think you're doing anything cool, be prepared to be humbled.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the Great Age of Exploration.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: Those guys are just, no question.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: Ten times the level of suffer fest that we talk
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: about and like, yeah, you know, oh I'm going to
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: go on a trip and I'm going to be gone
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: for a month. They would leave for three months just
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: to start their trip, just to get there.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So I've been enjoying a lot of books like that,
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: and it's kind of been encouraging me to get back
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: into big stuff and adventuest Yeah.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: That's yeah. They're so impressive. Those early explorers to just
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: are unbelievable what they endure and maybe it comes back
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: to kind of what you talked about with kids, is
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: it's amazing what human beings can endure if they choose to,
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: they choose to, if they if they take the steps
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: towards experiencing something exceptional in their life. It's amazing what
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: the human being, what human beings can do, what we
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: can actually accomplish.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: It's been kicking my butt a little bit, like, Okay,
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: I got to get my crap together.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we've all and we've also got to be a
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: little bit give ourselves a little bit of grace too.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: You have three boys that are growing up and they
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: need their dad around and all that. So, and in
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: those books that we read of these great explorers, you
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: often don't see the damage that occurs in their wake.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: There was some serious cost. Yeah, that's for those things,
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: that's right. And the idea of it all is certainly romantic. Yeah,
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: but there is fallout in their lives. And if you follow,
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: if you read up on a lot of these guys
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: later in their life, that's right. It actually you can
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: see where the repercussions of those great expeditions and stories.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: That's right, there is fallout. So maybe that's the opportunity
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: that we have in the modern age is to recognize
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: that there are consequences for kids and for other family
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: members and for people that are supporting you. Where there's
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: a way to do that a little more thoughtfully, kind
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: of like what you just did in Alaska. Yeah, let's
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: have the kids involved with that.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: And in the next trip, I'm trying to get more
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: kids involved. I got the all the vand strailing kids
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: coming and then my the sun will be coming.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about that. So this podcast is going
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: to come out after your announcement tonight at the equipped
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: at your overland party.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: Right that is tonight, I should prepare myself.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: Well, this will be your dry run of announcing it
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: on the podcast.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: Very exciting, it's very ambitious just due to the timing
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: of the world. But we are about to start production.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: We actually already have started production on season five the
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: Nordic series. We'll be shipping to Europe Inland, Sweden, Norway
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: and Iceland. Ten part series. I'm going to try to
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: get them all at forty five minutes each. Amazing, it's
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: going to be ten forty five minute films and of
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: our journeys traveling that side of the world.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: You talked about some philanthropic efforts while you're there as well.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: Is there any of that you want to share.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: We are working a mission in Poland which we are
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: calling Phase one, and we'll see how far we get.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: And I don't know if we'll ever touch Ukraine or
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: any of that. There's so many I had meetings on
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  Speaker 2: this yesterday here with people on a lot of dynamics
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  Speaker 2: around it. The dynamics are incredible, but if we can,
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  Speaker 2: we would like to do some humanitarian efforts. There's a
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: lot of humanitarian things. Whether I don't care where you
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: are on the politics of it all, Yeah, there's people
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  Speaker 2: that are hurting or suffering help and they need help,
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  Speaker 2: and that's that's what we'll be there for. What we're
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: going to make sure of is that we're there to
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  Speaker 2: help you, not make a stunt of it. Yeah sure,
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: but we all like that's all part of what we
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: like to do. Yeah, sure, give back a little bit
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: to these places. So we want to do that if
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: it makes sense. If not, we won't, but we're working
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: very hard on that right now.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: Finland will be fantastic. There's a bunch of forward driving
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: to do there. Are you going to get into Latvia, Lithuania,
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: Estonia at all.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: Right, now, yeah, you got to like thread the needle
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: right against Russia, Right's right, that's my goal. Yeah, if
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: we can do that, what an amazing time in the
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: world in history.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: To go through those places, right well, and alan Estodia
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: is just it's just a beautiful city. I mean. And
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: then that's where you take the ferry over across the
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: sea there and have you you've done that? Yeah, it's great.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: How long is that very overnight? Okay, yeah, it's not
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: a big deal. It is perfect.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I think run all the way up there,
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: try to experience a lot of them.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: I love the Arctic regions. Yeah, you'll go up over
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: the Arctic Circle again and on another continent. And then
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: you talked about going to nord cap which is the
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: furthest point north that you can drive on a road
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: that's on a continent. So I mean there are you
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: can go up to Swaalbard and there's roads up there,
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: but but you couldn't drive there or like what we did,
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: what we did in Greenland. You can drive over some snow,
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: but this is an actual road that goes to extremely
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: far north, much further north than you would find in
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: tuk Tiaktuk or in prud O Bay.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: So I don't know the latitude of it. But if
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: we do this, we've been to the farthest north that
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: we can drive in North America.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: This will be in Europe.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then we've done it in Greenland, right, that
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: one's gonna be tough to beat.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: I don't.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: You can't beat that one well, and I mean you could.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: Well, and you were actually at the farthest north that
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: you can drive in Asia on a road already with
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: me when we were on E seven. You can drive
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: further north on ice roads in Russia. But when we
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: were in Russia and we up to Magadan, there's a
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: point where you go before it turns back down. That's
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: actually the furthest north that you can drive in Asia. Cool.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: So it's a very overlandy thing to go check the box,
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: which is fun.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: Of course it is, of course it is.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: I mean that's the significant I guess it is.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: Well, no, it's just it's just a fun thing to
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: do along the way. You're like, yeah, this is like
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: this is a pretty unusual spot on the planet.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: So reaching the ends of the Earth is pretty cool.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: Because they usually yield surprises like tuk Tiak tuck.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: What a surprise, Yeah, to get there and you can
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: you can get ice cream in tuc Tiak. Yeah you really.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: I mean there's people that are having day to day lives.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: They run the local general store, and to us it
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: feels like this incredible adventure to get there, and to
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: them it's their day to day. It's just every day.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: And nord Cap is similar. There's the there are these
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: beautiful Norwegian cities that are up there. They're stunning, and
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: this is their day to day. There's like an accountant
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: that's going to work because you're driving by on what
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: feels like an adventure of a lifetime. So it's all
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: about perspective. And I think that's what we gain so
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: much from our travels, right Clay, is that perspective of
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: how other people live allows us to be more considerate
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: of that. I mean, think of all of those people
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: that we interacted with in Russia. They're suffering now too. Yes,
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: And that's not to take away from it's not to
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: make a statement about anything. It's just that people are suffering.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: Individuals are suffering as a result of this conflict. These
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: are people that you and I interacted with. Yeah, great people. Yeah, really,
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: they were wonderful people, and they wanted to take pictures
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: with us, and they wanted to remember all those guys
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: with the guns and stuff, and they just like grabbed
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: me and they wanted to take a picture with this
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: neanderthal looking dude, you know. And it was awesome. And
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: it was awesome. And that's the perspective that we gain,
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: is that people are generally good and governments are generally
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: screwed up. And if we remember that people are generally good,
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: then it allows us for some empathy despite what's going on.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: Exactly, I've seen it all over the world. It's truly
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: about people. Overlanding is about seeing the people, and you
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: have to interact with the governments that have to run
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: these people.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: But bureaucracy, it's everywhere, and I think that that's part
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: of the adventure, is over coming all of that stuff. Yeah,
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: that's why I love That's why I love border crossings.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: People are like I I love border crossing because it
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: is mass pandemonium. Yeah, and there's some problem you got
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: to solve. Yeah, And a smile goes such a long way,
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: and a sticker, yeah, cold drink totally. Yeah. I remember
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: the first time I handed a cold coke to a
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: Mexican military guy that was handling a checkpoint, and and
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: I handed him this ice cold coca cold and the
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: grin on his face. I mean I didn't need to
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: do he didn't ask for it, but it was just
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: like a way and it was after they'd already checked
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: me out. I was about ready to leave, So it
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: wasn't like I was trying to bribe him or anything. Yeah,
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: just totally made a difference in his day. I go
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: travel the world, huh. Yeah, that's what it all comes
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: down to, or whatever whatever version of the world that
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: means for whoever's listening. There are people that are going
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: to have different adventures than you and I have, and
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: it's going to see the world that you want to see,
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: whatever version of adventure that is.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it is all extremely valuable, yeah whatever, that
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: is so much about it. We've we've been able, you
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: and I are very fortunate to have been doing some amazing,
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: incredib things over the years. But just going backpacking or
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: overlanding with your family is so incredibly important.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: I would say it's better. I would say it's I
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: would say, someone taking their family and their kids out
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: to have an adventure like that, even if it's to
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: southern Utah. It's it's far cooler than anything I've ever done,
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: because it's going to make a huge difference in those kids' lives. Absolutely,
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: it's a reminder that we have such short time here,
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: such short time with the people that we love, and
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: that we can really influence kids. I mean, they're going
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: to grow up. Off they go and they're going to
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: take those skills that they've learned, like what you did
• 48:31
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