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Brande Roderick: Baywatch, Playboy and Life with Hugh Hefner · The BEYOND Podcast

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  Unknown: Brandy, thank you so much for coming on to the Beyond the
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  Boardroom podcast. I am literally beyond excited to
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  have you on. You are you're a proper
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  celebrity in every way. You've been on Baywatch, you've
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  been on movies, Saski and Hutch. You have just you have got
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  literally a resume of that you you have this previous wife.
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  I could just carry on and on. You've literally, you're
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  beautiful, you're confident women, you're an entrepreneur.
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  Just I want to literally pick your brain about so many things.
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  And honestly, I am so grateful that you've come on, you're
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  giving your time up to talk to us.
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  And I know that our audience are going to love you.
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  And yeah, I can't wait to dig in.
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  Thank you. Learn more.
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  Thank. You for having me.
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  Thanks for having me on. Such an honor.
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  It's such an honor. So you were quite young, weren't
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  you, when you joined Baywatch? You know what?
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  I actually wasn't in Hollywood standards.
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  I was 25 when I. Was very young.
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  Come on. Well, it isn't.
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  It isn't. It's like Hollywood actresses
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  are like living dog years. Yeah, but when I even when I
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  became Playmate of the Year, I was 26 and there had only been
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  one other Playmate of the year older than me.
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  So that's I was way beyond my years.
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  I was getting old and passed in those dog years there.
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  But yeah, so I was a little more mature when I was getting my
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  start. Yeah, So 25, I think what you've
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  got though you're blessed with is this.
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  You've got a baby face. That's the thing.
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  I think you've got that youthful, lovely look that some
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  people just have as a genetic thing.
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  And and I think that that's just stayed with you because when I I
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  remember you actually from Baywatch and I looked back at
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  the footage because I knew you were coming on the podcast and
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  you had cute little babyface. And that's just you either have
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  that or you don't. So you.
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  Forgot it. It is funny how when we're
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  younger, we are like fuller faced.
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  You got that baby face. It's you're more round, you
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  know, And as you get older, you lose that.
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  Right? Yeah.
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  Because yeah, yeah, exactly. Sad Keep.
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  Trying to push it back up. Try so hard.
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  Yeah. And then obviously, because you
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  were on Baywatch, you then worked with Pamela Anderson,
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  David Hasselhoff, all those guys.
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  What was it like working with them?
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  What are they like? Well, David, he is a character.
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  He's so much fun to be around, whether we were on set or doing
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  an autograph signing or going out, he just is so much fun and
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  just such a sweet, genuine, wonderful person.
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  So he needs a jokester and he likes to laugh.
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  And so he he was awesome or he is awesome.
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  I just haven't seen him in a. While.
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  But he's great. Oh, I remember him from Knight
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  Rider. I just, yeah, watch that.
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  And what's Pamela like? Well, that's where he got his
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  start, I think, right. I think that wasn't Knight Rider
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  1st and then Baywatch. Yeah, I think so, yeah.
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  I think he was younger in that. And then Pamela, we, we've known
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  each other for a long time because first the Playboy world
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  and then we did the Baywatch Hawaiian wedding movie together.
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  So we had already known each other and had that rapport.
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  And so it's always nice having that familiarity when.
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  You're she's like a friend, yeah, a a friend to you already
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  know that you're comfortable with on set and and all that.
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  That's really yeah. And yeah.
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  Because I was going to ask you, how did it feel to be on
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  Baywatch? Did it feel like a powerful
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  platform to you? Did you think, oh, wow, I'm on
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  Baywatch is going to be did it feel powerful or did you know
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  the image of being on there obviously sexy bomb blonde
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  bombshell. Did that affect you?
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  Like how? How was that for you?
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  Well, for me it was like, I've made it, Yeah, I've made it like
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  I got my series regular role. I'm going to be on the number
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  one watch show in the world. Like you couldn't get better
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  than Baywatch. It literally was at the time the
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  number one watch show in the world.
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  Yeah. So it was very exciting.
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  I I thought that I had just made it and you think when you're
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  going to something like that, it's going to last forever,
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  right. But shortly after, unfortunately
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  it it got cancelled. I was on the last, I was there,
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  I was on the last season, but it honestly was like the best job I
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  ever had and a key on the beach in Hawaii and frolicking in the
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  water with all the good looking guys, including Jason Momoa.
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  Oh yeah, wow. But it was just so peaceful, so
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  serene living on an island with these other cast members.
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  You become a family because you only have each other.
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  And we just all became so close and had the best time of our
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  life just living that beach life.
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  And it it, it was, it was amazing while it lasted.
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  I wish that we could have gone a couple more years, but it had
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  already run 11 years. And I guess it ran its course.
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  But it was, Yeah, it was absolutely fantastic.
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  It was a one one of the best experiences in my.
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  Life because when you say people watched you around the world,
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  literally I I watched that from South Africa.
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  Right. Yeah, exactly.
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  Yeah, it's crazy amazing. It was huge to do that, yeah.
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  No madness. So what you say speak, you speak
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  of it fondly, but was there any sort of competitiveness that any
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  of that exists? I mean normally it does in every
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  workplace, but did any of that go on at any time?
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  Not really. I mean, I've been so blessed and
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  so lucky my whole life, really. But we, I said we were like a
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  family, like Stacy Kimano and I and Alicia Richter all became
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  best friends. The only other gal that was on
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  the show was Krista Allen and, and we got along fantastic.
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  It just, I never, there was never any of that.
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  And maybe it's because, and I don't really get around that.
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  And maybe it's because I don't put that energy out there.
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  So maybe I'm not threatening people, like threatening to
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  people or I don't know what it is.
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  But I don't really ever have that issue where there's women
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  are trying to be competitive and this and that.
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  And maybe it's because I'm not, maybe because I, I don't know.
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  I just, I'm lucky in that sense that.
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  And also, if you're surrounded by other confident women, there
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  isn't, there's nothing like that going on.
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  There's no need for it because all of you, you know, you're all
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  just amazing and you're talented and you're doing all these
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  wonderful things. And I suppose there's not really
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  any reason to be anything else, you know?
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  I mean, yeah, and there could be.
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  I mean, obviously there's insecurities in everything, but
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  I've just never experienced the mean girl thing, you know?
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  It's like you can have your own insecurities, but those are your
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  own that you deal with, right? Not projecting them out on other
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  people. Yeah.
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  So what's the wild wild or something unexpected thing that
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  might have happened, you know, on on set in Baywatcher we don't
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  know about? I mean there were things that
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  again Alicia Richter so we knew each other even before because
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  she was also a playmate. So we knew each other from that
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  Playboy world. But there were scenes where were
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  on the sea doos right on this the jet skis she's behind me and
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  I were going to rescue someone. The cameras are on us.
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  It got serious faces jumping on the sea Doo.
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  She puts her up her hands in front of me and pulls my boobs
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  out. So in the middle seat here I am
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  serious and she's behind me holding on.
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  But then she calls you and here I am like, Oh no, you don't have
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  to put it back on and they have to cut.
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  Oh no, you can't. Get mad at her because they just
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  got a free show and they're laughing.
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  Oh my gosh, but. But that Alicia don't do it
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  anymore. We're trying to get the damn
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  shot. But that gives that gives us an
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  idea of sort of the nice atmosphere between you guys and,
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  you know, you're all young, you're having fun out there.
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  It's just, yeah, it does sound like the absolute.
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  We're just like silly kids and having a good time and pulling
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  pranks on each other. And, you know, it's funny
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  because I was just with Alicia. We spent Easter together, all of
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  our kids and everybody in Florida.
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  So we still are always, you know, doing things together.
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  Yeah, that's really lovely all. All these years later.
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  Yeah, All these years later, that's amazing.
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  So what came first? Was it?
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  So did Baywatch come first? Was it Playboy that came first
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  or how? How did that come about?
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  Well, as far as like to the world, they came out at the same
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  they came, they happened at the same time.
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  OK, so my issue April 2000, yeah, came out in April, April
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  2000 and I left for for Baywatch in April.
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  So they both happened in the same month, which is kind of
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  crazy. Yeah, you.
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  That must have been a lot for you are young.
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  Listen, let's just be honest. Yeah.
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  And you've got all that coming. You've got all the fame from
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  Baywatch that's gone global. And then boy.
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  Yeah. And then right after that kind
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  of the same thing happened when the show came out, I went and
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  did and got Playmate of the Year.
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  So then it's I went and shot the same time, my issue, the other
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  issue came out, but then my other Playmate of the year issue
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  came out as Baywatch was coming out on the screen.
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  So it's just amazing how just simultaneously everything worked
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  out what perfect. What is it like, what must it be
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  like to be not only Playmate of the Month, but Playmate of the
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  Year? I mean, that's, that's
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  absolutely huge. How was that for you?
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  Yeah, it, it was is very exciting.
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  I mean, being 1 of 60 women in the world is pretty exciting.
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  And when I got the call, I was actually living with Stacey
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  Kimano, who I was on Baywatch with.
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  We'd just gotten back to LA from Hawaii.
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  And she was in the bathtub and I was in the living room and I got
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  a call from Marilyn Grabowski, who was the head editor at
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  Playboy. And she said, Brandy, how would
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  you like to be Playmate of the Year?
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  I'm like, yeah. And I was getting off the phone
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  and I went in and scream. She was screaming to Stacy.
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  She's jumping up in the bathtub with bubbles everywhere.
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  And I'm, we're both up all screaming, excited.
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  So yeah, that was also a very exciting phone call to get, just
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  like it was when I got the call about being on Baywatch.
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  So. So how did your life change?
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  What Like what what? What did that feel like?
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  I don't know. Well, I don't know that it
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  changed so much, but I did get to continue to travel the world
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  when I was playing of the year. They have us go to different
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  places. I got to go to Japan all over
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  touring just it was just a wonderful experience of course.
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  And when I got that, it helped again bring my name out there
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  even more. Continued to work and get other
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  jobs, either gigs so to speak. Yes, you're really, you're
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  working very, very hard. You're travelling, you're
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  getting to know all these new cultures, countries and all of
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  that. And you're at this point you're
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  very, very busy. It's probably going really
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  quickly, the momentum of your life.
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  Yeah, it was, yeah. Very busy all the time, going to
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  do something, whether it was a movie or reality show, ATV show,
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  an appearance. Yeah, Whirlwind, Whirlwind.
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  A good a really good whirlwind. And part of that whirlwind is
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  Hugh Hefner. So how did you, how did you meet
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  him? Well, actually we met the first
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  time at one of his movie nights. A photographer friend of mine
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  was really good friends with this gentleman named Elliot who
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  was very good friends with Hef and he knew that I always wanted
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  to be a Playmate and I was named after a Playboy model.
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  My mom had seen a girl by the name of Brandy spelled just like
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  mine with an E in the magazine and so I always knew.
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  So I had this to live up to, right?
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  She wanted me to be as beautiful as this girl in the magazine.
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  So she named me after the girl in the magazine.
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  So the photographer knew this story and he said, I think I
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  have a way to get you up there. Elliot's a friend of mine, blah,
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  blah, blah. So I go up with Elliot and at
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  the time Heff was married to Kimberly and they So I got to
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  meet him. I got to go to the movie and I
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  told him my story about my mom and being named after a Playboy
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  model. He's like, oh, let's go try and
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  find her. So he brought me in the library
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  and we went started looking through all the magazines trying
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  to find Brandy with, but you know, they were trying to get
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  the movie started and we're like, we can only look through
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  so many hundreds of magazines. So we we couldn't find it.
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  And it was so nice of him and sweet of him to take the time
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  and want to try to find this person.
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  But that was my first encounter with him.
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  And then I hadn't seen him for months and then he and his wife
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  had broken up. And so he started going out and
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  going out being single and meeting people and enjoying life
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  as a single man. So we met at a nightclub.
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  What was it called? I think it was O opium den
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  opium. Anyway, so he was in the little
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  VIP section and I go, Oh my gosh, this half and I ran over
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  and I go, hey, Remember Me Brandy?
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  I'm the one with the mom, the name.
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  We have to. He's like, Oh my gosh, yes,
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  darlin, come in, sit down. So I was there with my
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  girlfriend from up north and we both sat next to him, one of us
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  on each side, and we're like Oh my gosh.
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  We both look back behind him and don't.
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  Yeah, holy shit. I have to say, right, that
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  that's a confident move that going up to this, you have now
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  just making him be like, oh, hello, that's brave.
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  What do you have? What do you have to lose?
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  Right? Yeah.
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  You miss 100% of the shots you don't take.
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  Wow. Impressive.
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  Our next, our real and meeting or whatever and then we were
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  inseparable ever since then. So we had a 2 1/2 year courtship
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  relationship also and it honestly just so like again,
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  some of the best times of my life were spent with that man.
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  He he brought me so many wonderful places and experiences
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  and things I never would have been able to do or experience
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  had I not met him. Like what?
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  Like what for example? About like going to the Cannes
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  Film Festival on this huge yacht, having the celebrity
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  party on our yacht, walking that red carpet at the Cannes Film
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  Festival, you know, living it in a way that no ordinary normal.
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  Person could live. Yeah, that's not normal.
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  No, it was just, it was a dream, you know, flying on the private
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  jet over there. So the whole time we're flying
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  to Europe, we're dancing and eating and watching movies and
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  like, it's a big huge living room or something.
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  Just stuff like that. The stuff dreams are made of.
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  It's literally so, yeah. Like a Princess, like a story.
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  You, you've like, it's unbelievable and you're living
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  this amazing life. So what was the mansion like?
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  The famous mansion. Well, it was very old fashioned,
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  but I love that. I love the nostalgia of it.
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  You know, every year or whenever, however often let's
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  say the carpet got dirty, he would replace it with the exact
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  same. Carpet, right?
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  Yes, like things like that. Every time he would still keep
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  it up and it was fresh, but it was the same stuff that had
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  always been there, same style, so it was always kept.
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  It's that very nostalgic, yeah. It's very.
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  Iconic like these 5? Even when I when I think of the
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  mansion, everything I've seen about it, also the mansion
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  itself is famous. The the grotto, you know, it's
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  just, you've seen it so many times on TV, it's just featured.
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  It's like, it's incredible. So I suppose it helped that he
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  kept things the same. Yeah, I think so, definitely.
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  Were there any rules you had to follow?
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  Sorry, were there any rules that you had to follow in the mansion
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  before anything goes or? Rules, I mean only normal like
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  rules that you have when you have a boyfriend, right?
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  Like what I mean like like you're not gonna you don't go
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  cheat on your boyfriend, right? But no, there were no rules so
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  to speak. But.
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  No shoes in the house. Yeah, nothing like.
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  No, I can't think of any. Yeah, and the the other woman in
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  the house, like I know you said that you don't give that energy.
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  You can tell you're very relaxed, you're very confident.
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  There's no, there's no issues like weirdness, something like
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  that. But like the other woman in the
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  house, like was there anything like that going on?
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  Or also everyone just chill, None of that.
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  No, no. I mean, even Sandy and Mandy and
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  they they were there part of the time.
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  And we were like sisters when they would come into town.
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  It was, oh, my gosh. And we'd have fun.
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  We'd go shopping, we'd hang out, we'd go to dinners.
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  We're still very close. Yeah, We still keep in contact,
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  but no. And then the playmates, when
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  they would come into town, when they would do their testing,
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  they'd come in and typically would stay in the guest house at
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  the mansion when they do their testing.
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  And same thing, just wonderful girls.
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  They're always very sweet. They knew how to pick them.
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  I don't know. They they really knew how to
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  pick the girls that were going to be Playmates.
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  And I think that they looked at it like the whole package, the
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  girl next door. So they were very picky on and
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  you'd have to have the right personality as well.
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  It wasn't just about looks because they knew that these
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  girls had to go around and represent Playboy and go do
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  their promotions and wear their buddy costume and, and represent
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  Playboy. So they always picked very
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  smart, beautiful, sweet girls. Yeah, there was.
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  One brand all yeah, that's really, that is intelligent and
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  that's what keeps the brand going on.
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  Yeah, that's good business decisions there, I'd say.
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  Did your time on Playboy change how people perceive you at all?
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  Men. Anything like that really.
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  I mean, not that I, not that I was affected by I, I feel like
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  my whole life I had to, I've always had to work harder
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  because people have a certain perception of even just being a
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  blonde, let's say, right, the typical, yeah, blonde.
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  So you're always trying to prove yourself, right.
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  Well, I'm no dumb blonde. So I, I feel the same thing with
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  being on in Playboy or on Baywatch.
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  You're always constantly hafting to maybe do a little bit more
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  maybe than the average person because you're having to prove
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  otherwise than the typical stereotype.
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  You know, even with going on The Celebrity Apprentice, for me,
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  that was the perfect gateway to prove myself.
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  Yeah, well, I feel like I was always and still to this day,
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  always having to do more to prove myself.
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  Yeah, and this is part of the reason why I'm so happy that
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  you've come on, because it's this whole subject around the
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  image. You're, you are, you're a
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  beautiful blonde. So why can't you also be
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  intelligent and a good business person and have all this stuff
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  and you have proven yourself and we're going to get to that.
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  But I love, love breaking that that up in people's minds and
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  showing you for who you really are.
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  And you are soup. You're gorgeous, you're
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  confident, and you're also incredibly intelligent and a
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  very good business person. And that's just you can be all
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  that. Thank you.
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  Thank you. Yes, and.
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  Let's break those stereotypes. Yeah, why?
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  Why does somebody's looks have anything to do with their
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  intelligence? It's just that it doesn't make
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  sense why people think that you have.
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  It has zero, but it's almost easier to for people to to put
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  one in that category. You might be like this because
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  then it's easier for me to it almost becomes too much.
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  It's like, how can you handle being this amazing bombshell?
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  But then you're you're smart and you can, can you be, how are you
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  allowed to have both of those things?
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  Right, right. It's confusing for people.
• 20:59
  It's so confusing they. Can't wrap wrap their head
• 21:01
  around it. Exactly, exactly.
• 21:05
  So let's let's go a little bit into this because then, so
• 21:08
  you've had the Baywatch. You've obviously to get on to
• 21:10
  Baywatch, you've got to have acting skills anyway.
• 21:12
  You've got to be a good actress. You're you're these are serious
• 21:15
  roles that you're saving someone's life.
• 21:16
  You've got to know how to how to act.
• 21:18
  It's not easy. And then you've gone into all
• 21:20
  these roles. You've done Starsky and Hutch
• 21:23
  with Ben Stiller and Owen Wilson, Nanny Diaries, the
• 21:25
  Scarlett Johansson TV hits, Shoot me Beverly Hills 9O2.
• 21:29
  I know which also I watched. So I mean, how was that getting
• 21:34
  those roles, obviously doing all the things that you've done, so
• 21:37
  going in and now you're going for these more serious acting
• 21:40
  roles and movies, you're going to a different type of thing
• 21:43
  now. So how did that feel for you?
• 21:45
  How was that? Did you have to fight harder?
• 21:48
  I feel like I've always, you're always working hard and my whole
• 21:54
  life I've always, I don't take no for an answer, right.
• 21:58
  I make sure to find a way to get what I want and I get creative.
• 22:03
  And I think a lot of that comes from I've been reading self help
• 22:07
  books and advice books my whole life.
• 22:10
  And I think that it all just kind of it's all sticks in
• 22:13
  there. So when it would come to a
• 22:16
  really big role, for example, like Starsky and Hunch, I'm
• 22:20
  going up against all the other famous starlets.
• 22:24
  I'd already been on Baywatch at that time, so it's like everyone
• 22:27
  at that level. So I have to stand out.
• 22:30
  But I went into the audition and Todd Phillips, who is now an
• 22:34
  Accord Academy award-winning director, he was in the room.
• 22:37
  Ben Stiller was in the room. And I had to do my scene with
• 22:41
  them, but I walk in and they were like Brandy.
• 22:44
  Oh, we loved you on The Surreal Life.
• 22:46
  We love that show. And Ben was saying, Christine,
• 22:49
  my wife and I, I love the show. And Todd said I'm a huge fan of
• 22:54
  Emmanuel Lewis. And he was on the The Surreal
• 22:57
  Life with me. And I listen, I listen to
• 22:59
  everything they're saying and I do my audition and I feel like I
• 23:03
  nail it. But again, there's a million
• 23:05
  other girls out there that are going out for this role.
• 23:08
  But anyway, so I leave there and I call Emmanuel Lewis and I say,
• 23:12
  Manny, you have to do me a favor, autograph an 8 by 10 to
• 23:17
  Todd Phillips and say hire my girl Brandy and sign it.
• 23:20
  So I put I hadn't put this in the mail, sent it to Todd.
• 23:25
  So Todd gets this thing and he's looking at it like, how crazy is
• 23:28
  this girl, right? I mean, she sends me this thing,
• 23:30
  but I got the job. So yes.
• 23:33
  And I do things like that that are outside the box that other
• 23:38
  people won't do right. That is genius kind of stuff
• 23:41
  that I've always done. I did that with another casting
• 23:44
  director. I went in there and she had a
• 23:47
  candle burning. I was like, Oh my gosh, that
• 23:48
  smells so good. What is that?
• 23:51
  When I left, I sent her a thank you card and that candle,
• 23:54
  another one of those candles. And I'll tell you man, she
• 23:57
  called me back all the time for those roles.
• 23:59
  She was a casting director for for sitcoms, which is how I got
• 24:03
  Joey, how I got the game. I was on 2 episodes of the game.
• 24:07
  So it was just these little things that are so important
• 24:10
  that I always make sure that I do to get called back.
• 24:14
  Even after I do a job. I send a thank you card to the
• 24:17
  producers and I'll tell you I get repeat acting gigs all the
• 24:21
  time because I do all those things other people won't do,
• 24:25
  you do and I'm very thankful. Yeah, you do work harder.
• 24:29
  You you take the extra step that someone's not going to take.
• 24:33
  Put the effort in that someone's not going to do.
• 24:35
  You feel like you prove yourself and you're putting energy in.
• 24:40
  And that's appreciated because also it shows that you really,
• 24:43
  really, really want it. So why?
• 24:45
  Why not? I'm also very grateful.
• 24:50
  And so when I'm sending a thank you note to somebody, I really
• 24:55
  am very thankful for the opportunities because there
• 24:58
  aren't a lot of them. And you know, this is a small
• 25:01
  pool that we have in a small business.
• 25:04
  Yeah. So I, I just, I am grateful for
• 25:06
  every opportunity and every job I get.
• 25:08
  So I I definitely always can share that as.
• 25:11
  Well, no, no diva behavior, but yeah.
• 25:14
  No, definitely not. You'll never I I, I don't think
• 25:18
  that anyone could ever say that I've ever been a diva on set so.
• 25:23
  No, you definitely don't give that.
• 25:26
  I want to get called back. I want repeat business.
• 25:30
  Yeah, no, for sure, for sure. And you're more likely to get it
• 25:33
  when you work hard. You've got that, you know, the
• 25:35
  ethic, the right work ethics, and they want to hire someone
• 25:38
  reliable. You know for sure.
• 25:41
  OK, we're going to move into a little bit of a different
• 25:43
  territory now. Men confidence, Female power.
• 25:48
  So yes. So you've you've become known,
• 25:53
  I'll say, for confidence, you know, you, you give that off in
• 25:57
  a, in a very nice, like you say, it's a non threatening way, but
• 26:01
  it's there and that's wonderful. It's so, it's such a beautiful
• 26:04
  thing to have. So asking you as a confident
• 26:08
  woman you know, what do you, what do you find sexy in men?
• 26:14
  In a man in general? Well, I can tell you it's not
• 26:20
  looks. Right, OK.
• 26:22
  Meaning, of course I can 100% appreciate a beautiful man, for
• 26:28
  sure. But for me, what turns me on
• 26:34
  would be a guy that is confident and someone that is a gentleman
• 26:40
  that's going to treat me like a lady.
• 26:43
  Someone that is has a good job, someone that's just shows some
• 26:49
  sort of motivation and confidence.
• 26:52
  To me, all of that is attractive and also a connection you have
• 26:57
  with someone, but it's not. It's usually in my life I
• 27:01
  haven't picked the typical good looking guy.
• 27:05
  So when I have a guy that I fall in love with, it's like they
• 27:08
  become so good looking to me, but they might not be good
• 27:13
  looking to like the average person that's looking at them.
• 27:15
  I'm so attracted to them for their just strongness, their
• 27:20
  security, their confidence and the way they treat me and the
• 27:23
  way they treat me as a lady and that, you know, like that's,
• 27:27
  that's huge for me. Well, The thing is, and I I
• 27:30
  completely agree, it's the confidence.
• 27:33
  It's so attractive to be confident, to have someone
• 27:37
  confident enough, and then when they confident, then they also
• 27:40
  know how to treat you because they're confident with you.
• 27:42
  Who's confident? Exactly right.
• 27:45
  That's exactly it. You're right though that a good
• 27:48
  looking guy, the looks are are are ruined if there's no
• 27:52
  confidence they they kind of they become.
• 27:54
  Yeah. It it just.
• 27:56
  Doesn't well more if, yeah, I mean, if, if they're not
• 28:00
  confident or if they are arrogant or aloof or there
• 28:06
  there's just yeah, then that's. But if they have the whole
• 28:08
  package, then great. Shoot, that's fantastic.
• 28:11
  And there are people out there like that, of course, but I
• 28:14
  don't, I, I wouldn't want, I don't want the average Joe out
• 28:18
  there to think that it's women. That's what we look at because
• 28:23
  that's not how we're made. However, men, on the other hand,
• 28:27
  I think men a lot of the times are made a little different and
• 28:30
  they do kind of look at looks a lot of times.
• 28:33
  Unfortunately that happens too. But no, yeah, I, I, I think that
• 28:39
  men need to not worry about the look so much with themselves or
• 28:44
  with women, But I mean, just, they don't need to be worried
• 28:47
  about that so much because we're not attracted.
• 28:49
  Women aren't typically attracted to that.
• 28:51
  Yeah, and I know that what I found initially attractive in my
• 28:56
  husband and is the the confidence to say that he liked
• 29:00
  me, the confidence to go in the right way that that's attractive
• 29:04
  too. The hunt to be confident enough
• 29:06
  to do that, hunting to to pursue you like that, that's
• 29:09
  attractive. Men need to do that.
• 29:11
  We want to be, yes, we want to be pursued.
• 29:14
  We want to be pursued. That that's nature.
• 29:16
  It's human in nature. Make that absolutely and and
• 29:20
  don't get caught up on. I feel so bad for this younger
• 29:23
  generation that was in this world where it's almost this
• 29:28
  crazy feminist thing is happening where they're they
• 29:33
  don't want men to be men and the women are supposed to now be
• 29:36
  alpha and I don't know, but it's not normal.
• 29:40
  It's not right. And men be men and you'll,
• 29:46
  you'll find a girl that you're supposed to be with that if you
• 29:50
  want a feminine girl, go be a man, right?
• 29:54
  You have to, if you want pitch ass crazy, I don't know, then
• 29:59
  you can be meek and and then you go get a woman that wants to
• 30:02
  control you. If that's what you want, then
• 30:05
  then go for it. But if you want to be a man and
• 30:07
  you want to be the man, then you'll find you'll go and find
• 30:10
  your lady and you need to act like a man.
• 30:12
  You need to go ask her out. You need to be put your best
• 30:15
  foot forward and not be afraid and just do it.
• 30:19
  Yeah, have to do. I don't like what what the the
• 30:23
  the new narrative is what they're doing with men, where
• 30:26
  they want to take and these overly feminist women beating
• 30:30
  men down and say you're not allowed to be masculine, You're
• 30:32
  not allowed to show strength like that.
• 30:34
  You're not allowed to. The things that men would
• 30:35
  instinct that they want to do, they're not allowed to do.
• 30:39
  And also you're not allowed to give a woman a compliment.
• 30:41
  You can't do anything. Men are scared of doing anything
• 30:43
  anymore. Absolutely.
• 30:45
  Someone a compliment anymore? Come on.
• 30:47
  It's insane. I was just listening to a
• 30:49
  podcast and I was shocked. I literally wanted to turn it
• 30:53
  off and I bought this woman's book and now I wish I didn't buy
• 30:56
  it. But she was talking about on
• 30:58
  this podcast how when she has her so her husband, she as soon
• 31:03
  as he tried to open up a door for her, she told him, no, no,
• 31:06
  no, Mr. you're not opening up the door for me.
• 31:09
  So she's I don't allow him to open the door for me.
• 31:12
  And I was oh. Come on.
• 31:14
  Freaking kidding me. You're that insecure about your
• 31:18
  feminine femininity that you not let a man open a door for you?
• 31:22
  I was just shocked. That's horrible.
• 31:24
  My boyfriend, if he doesn't help, I will not.
• 31:27
  If I'm with a man, whether it's my my boyfriend or, or or a
• 31:32
  business colleague or whoever it is, I walk right up to the door
• 31:35
  and I stand there until they open it because that's just the
• 31:39
  way I just. Think it's bad manners?
• 31:42
  I think it's bad manners because someone that's stronger than you
• 31:44
  and it's polite. That's how I'd be brought up to
• 31:48
  gentlemen, to absolutely. And I'm teaching my sons, my son
• 31:53
  will run up to a door before any lady and open a door for him.
• 31:56
  And that makes me for them. And that makes me so proud.
• 31:59
  Like that is something that should not go away.
• 32:02
  Chivalry should not be dead. I mean, those are the things
• 32:06
  that are so important that make men feel good, makes a woman
• 32:10
  feel good. I just, it's just was crazy to
• 32:14
  me that this smart woman who wrote a book was mad at her
• 32:19
  husband for trying to open the door.
• 32:21
  So wrong How? Dare he?
• 32:24
  Yeah, it's so wrong. I'm with you.
• 32:27
  I totally agree. I think it's really sad what's
• 32:29
  happening. And I think like we need the
• 32:31
  movement to stop this nonsense. It's gone too far.
• 32:34
  Men need to be allowed to be men and do what they instinctively
• 32:38
  on men and women should be women and just we.
• 32:42
  Yeah, absolutely. It's gone too far too far.
• 32:47
  Yeah. So what's the one thing that
• 32:50
  you'd say men get wrong when they approach a strong and
• 32:55
  confident woman? What do you think they do wrong,
• 32:58
  if there's anything they do at all?
• 33:00
  Well, maybe something like, Oh, well, you probably always get
• 33:07
  compliments, so I'm not going to give you a compliment.
• 33:11
  You probably always get treated a certain way.
• 33:14
  So I'm not going to treat you that way.
• 33:16
  They sometimes men think it's think it's attractive that they
• 33:21
  feel they want to try and be different, I guess, so to speak.
• 33:25
  But that does not work that that a woman can never be told too
• 33:31
  many times she's beautiful or smart or getting compliments.
• 33:36
  You can't just assume that a woman was going to be hearing
• 33:41
  that too much. The I don't think men should
• 33:44
  ever assume assume that because it's never going to be too much.
• 33:46
  Right? Yeah.
• 33:47
  We love hearing compliments. Thank you.
• 33:49
  And if a woman can't take a compliment and say thank you,
• 33:51
  then that's her own issue. Yeah, I think we should.
• 33:54
  I think in general, in the world where it's going, we don't give
• 33:57
  each other enough compliments. If something's great, if
• 34:00
  someone's doing something well, if you admire something and
• 34:02
  someone, tell them. If you mean it is genuine, tell
• 34:06
  them. Just tell them.
• 34:07
  And we can all improve and we know then we're doing this thing
• 34:10
  right and people admire it. It's a good thing to give a
• 34:13
  call. 100% one, absolutely. Yeah.
• 34:18
  So I had a question here about do you feel judged by other
• 34:21
  women for owning your sexuality? But I know the answer to that is
• 34:24
  no, because you don't give that energy.
• 34:27
  Well, I, I, I do know that there are women that judge for sure,
• 34:33
  right, That think that that's bad or, or whatever it might be,
• 34:37
  but it just doesn't bother me because what they think in their
• 34:42
  world does not affect me in my world.
• 34:46
  As long as, you know, I'm OK with it and I enjoy it or
• 34:49
  whatever it might be, then that's fine.
• 34:52
  But if a woman is, is judging because maybe she's very
• 34:56
  religious and does not believe in that, well, that's her
• 35:00
  beliefs and that's fine. That's her world and I have my
• 35:04
  world, and what she's thinking in her own little world doesn't
• 35:06
  affect me. Do you have things like other
• 35:10
  women being scared to be your friend or things like that
• 35:15
  because they think, Oh no, if you know, if I bring her around
• 35:18
  to dinner party, my husband's going to fall in love with her.
• 35:23
  It's a very basic, but you have something like that now or.
• 35:27
  I don't think I really have too much of that, thank goodness.
• 35:31
  But one thing that that I find in women that just meet me that
• 35:36
  just kind of know me as like, oh gosh, that's Brandy Rodrick.
• 35:40
  You know, I'm the celebrity and we meet as friends or try to get
• 35:45
  together that they try and talk. It's it's almost like I don't
• 35:50
  know how to put this without sounding, you know, crass, but
• 35:53
  they might like put down other women or talk shit about this or
• 35:57
  talk shit about some celebrities plastic surgery or they'll say,
• 36:01
  well, I'm at this celebrity and oh, they were just an asshole.
• 36:05
  Or it's almost like some sort of a weird mechanism they have that
• 36:09
  they have to talk bad about stuff and that is so not me.
• 36:14
  So it turns me off immediately. And I hate that Like they, they
• 36:18
  feel, I feel like they're trying to connect and maybe by
• 36:22
  gossiping and saying bad things about other people, they feel
• 36:25
  they're going to connect. But that's not how I roll.
• 36:28
  I don't, I don't connect with people like that.
• 36:30
  I don't like it. So but I think that it's a
• 36:32
  nervous energy that they have a nervous nervous mechanism.
• 36:36
  But I do find that a lot when people first start, they don't
• 36:39
  know how to act or talk. I don't know.
• 36:42
  Do you know what I've got a I've got a podcast coming up with the
• 36:46
  evolutionary behavioral psychologists at Oxford here in
• 36:50
  the UK. And one of the topics that we're
• 36:52
  going to discuss is actually bonding through gossip, bonding
• 36:56
  through, it's weird. It's so weird but right thing.
• 37:01
  So you. Yeah.
• 37:02
  You might, you might be able to forgive this, this particular
• 37:05
  group. No, Yeah, it's apparently it's a
• 37:06
  yeah. That's why I was saying, I know
• 37:08
  it's just a, a nervous thing that they have, that they're
• 37:12
  just trying to bond and I get it.
• 37:14
  But that's what women for some reason, That's yeah.
• 37:17
  Do. And I just, I don't care for it.
• 37:20
  And so because that happens, I don't want to hang out with them
• 37:24
  again, right? Because it's sometimes I, I get
• 37:27
  it and I'm OK. I'll just give them another
• 37:28
  chance because I know it's just a nervous energy thing and
• 37:31
  they're just trying to bond. But I, yeah, it is a turn off.
• 37:35
  I I had if people can be aware of it and and recognize, yeah,
• 37:39
  maybe. It it is a thing.
• 37:41
  I think for me, I had this thing for parents when you have a
• 37:45
  mom's night that you're the moms get together for the kids year
• 37:49
  group, whatever, they get together and they chat.
• 37:50
  Then sometimes they'll even the gospel will be about kids, the
• 37:54
  kid and the kids whose parents not there.
• 37:58
  Let's talk about the kid. And I think that's now you're
• 38:00
  talking about a kid here, an innocent child.
• 38:03
  No, let's not, let's not, no. Good.
• 38:06
  No good. Good and gossip.
• 38:08
  It's it's not a nice thing. So I mean, we've touched on this
• 38:12
  already, but do you think society knows how to handle sexy
• 38:19
  and successful women? It's quite a it's a it's a it's
• 38:21
  a strange. It's a sexy woman who's
• 38:23
  successful because smart, yes, successful, but also sexy and
• 38:27
  successful. That's almost even even more
• 38:29
  incomprehendible, like. Yeah, I, I think so.
• 38:33
  I mean, there's been lots of successful sexy women I think
• 38:39
  that that have been out there over the years.
• 38:41
  So I, I think that society can handle it.
• 38:44
  I think there's, you're always going to have those pockets of
• 38:46
  people that can't. But I think overall, I think
• 38:50
  yes. And honestly, it doesn't matter
• 38:56
  what society thinks or, you know, it only matters what you
• 39:00
  think and what you're doing in your own world.
• 39:03
  Yeah. Yeah, no, I, I, I hear you.
• 39:06
  Yeah. I mean, it's, it's nice when,
• 39:09
  you know, with a podcast, obviously speaking like this and
• 39:12
  having a platform, it's lovely to be able to talk about things
• 39:17
  and like the whole subject, the men's subject we've just spoken
• 39:20
  about. And, and as you know, there are
• 39:23
  views that society have about, you know, men now bringing them
• 39:27
  down or, you know, if you're a certain kind of woman, you look
• 39:31
  a certain way, you're boxing to a certain thing.
• 39:33
  And I kind of almost feel like that's almost like a form of
• 39:36
  social bullying that I feel like if I see bullying, I feel
• 39:40
  compelled, like I feel it's my duty in life to deal with the
• 39:44
  the bullying and that the bullying just dismantle it and
• 39:47
  be like, actually, no, no, no, that's not how we think.
• 39:50
  Let's just bring the tone down of that and let's just come back
• 39:53
  to like a normal situation. Yeah.
• 39:59
  And that'd be great if there were more people like you trying
• 40:03
  to do that, right? I mean, that would be fantastic.
• 40:06
  But in our world, it seems like people are trying to almost do
• 40:10
  the opposite, right? Because it gets a rise and it's
• 40:14
  it's more fiery or whatever it might be, but yeah.
• 40:20
  Yeah, we need more people to defuse the bull.
• 40:22
  We need to defuse. We need to defuse.
• 40:25
  We need to yeah, yeah, and bring down the whole the feminist the
• 40:29
  overly that I I am so with you on that that needs to come down
• 40:33
  like many notches down That's it's.
• 40:36
  Too much. I think the problem is social
• 40:38
  media, right? I think that once you get on
• 40:41
  that little bit of a little bit of it, then that's all they give
• 40:44
  you, right? It's like brain, you're getting
• 40:46
  brainwashed. So once you delve into that a
• 40:49
  little bit, then that's all you're getting fed and it just
• 40:51
  lights that fire inside of somebody to become the extreme.
• 40:57
  The extreme, yes, yeah. So I want to talk a little bit
• 41:00
  about your your character. You know your your ability to be
• 41:05
  resilient, which has also come from personal reasons.
• 41:09
  You used to be married to NFL 9 by Glenn Cadres.
• 41:12
  Did I pronounce that correctly? You said that correctly, I did.
• 41:15
  And then you had to, you went through a divorce and how, I
• 41:20
  mean, that must have really, you know, you've got two sons
• 41:22
  together. Is that Yes, Yeah.
• 41:25
  Yes, and. So how did one.
• 41:28
  Yeah, go ahead. How?
• 41:29
  Yeah, no, yeah. So I mean, obviously going
• 41:31
  through a divorce like that and you've got these two beautiful
• 41:34
  kids and obviously there was a lot of love and all that.
• 41:36
  And then that goes, yeah, how do you, yeah, how do you move, move
• 41:42
  forward, you know? I mean, you, you have to be
• 41:45
  obviously resilient and strong to get through that stuff.
• 41:50
  But what I came to realize is because when you get married,
• 41:54
  you know, your dream is that you're going to be with that
• 41:55
  person the rest of your life. You're going to be sitting on
• 41:58
  the porch watching your grandkids play.
• 42:01
  And then it doesn't happen. And So what I found is it's OK.
• 42:06
  It's a chapter in your life. And now you just have to come up
• 42:10
  with a new dream, right? So now I just have a new dream.
• 42:13
  And my whole life I feel like I've pivoted.
• 42:16
  You know I think pivot is a word I use a lot and so I had to
• 42:20
  pivot and change the dream which is totally fine now and we all
• 42:26
  got through it and Glenn and I Co parent very well and he lives
• 42:32
  7 minutes from me. So they could.
• 42:35
  You know, ride their bikes to school and then they ride at the
• 42:38
  back to each of our houses. And you know, so it's, it's,
• 42:42
  it's turned out wonderfully. And even though I would never
• 42:47
  wish that upon anyone, it's kind of been a blessing in disguise
• 42:52
  because now I've met my life partner that I am with and he's
• 42:58
  an amazing, wonderful human being that I, I just can't
• 43:03
  imagine being without. So for me, it's like you, just
• 43:07
  there is a silver lining in everything.
• 43:09
  And even if during the darkest days, you will come out and
• 43:13
  there will be light and you just have to pivot and get through it
• 43:17
  when it's hard and then it'll come out and it'll be good
• 43:19
  again. Yeah, it's lovely the way that
• 43:21
  you've framed that the whole pivoting and the chapter that
• 43:25
  you see that beginning, middle and then the closure and that's
• 43:30
  unfortunately helps you just to to frame that and then regroup.
• 43:33
  I think is is a good one. Yes, move on for.
• 43:36
  Sure. Regroup.
• 43:37
  Yeah, I do a lot of regrouping. And also allowing yourself that
• 43:41
  because you have that closure and it's a chapter, you open it
• 43:45
  mentally. You've put that mindset in
• 43:47
  there. You are then allowing yourself
• 43:49
  to open up to something else. For sure a.
• 43:52
  Very strong way, psychological mindset, way to think about
• 43:56
  things. You know, this is a little bit
• 43:58
  of off piece now, but I'm going to say it in there.
• 44:00
  It's just that it just triggered something the other day.
• 44:03
  I've got 3 cats, OK, and two of them are little, little ones and
• 44:07
  they're quite crazy. And one of them caught a bird.
• 44:10
  I don't like them catching birds at all.
• 44:11
  But one of them caught a bird and my daughter was like, Oh my
• 44:13
  gosh, it's got a bird. And then I shouted at the cat,
• 44:16
  let it go, and it let it go. And then I drove the bird to one
• 44:19
  of those wildlife hospital things and it's like 70% chance
• 44:23
  it's going to be fine or whatever, but the parents.
• 44:26
  So it's like a little Blackbird, but the parents of the bird were
• 44:30
  circling the area and obviously being upset and calling for
• 44:33
  their little baby, who I knew is fine, but it's like in the
• 44:37
  wildlife. Yeah, but, and then I was just
• 44:39
  curious. So I, I went on chat TV to find
• 44:42
  out on AI, do they grieve? What do birds do?
• 44:45
  And they, they do for like 24 to 48 hours.
• 44:48
  They've got a period where they obviously they're in shock and
• 44:50
  then they circle and they look around for their baby or
• 44:53
  whatever, but then they move on. They regroup and they look
• 44:57
  after, you know, the other ones and they move on.
• 45:00
  And if they didn't do that, it would threaten all survival,
• 45:03
  wouldn't it? I mean, I don't.
• 45:04
  Right. But well, that's that's pretty
• 45:07
  amazing that yeah, that, that, that's too bad we didn't have a
• 45:11
  24 hour mechanism. So obviously their lifespan is.
• 45:15
  Regroup after 24 hours. Yeah, you know. 24 hours, yeah,
• 45:20
  no, but it just shows you about it's survival of the species.
• 45:23
  And we do need to because I've seen situations where someone
• 45:26
  has passed and there is no, the ability to move on is not there.
• 45:33
  And and that that is a unfortunately a thing.
• 45:38
  You wrote a book, Bounce Don't Break as a guide to resilience.
• 45:44
  So what would you say is the main take away from that lesson
• 45:50
  in resilience? Well, I guess 1 little phrase or
• 45:55
  something you could say is like when a door closes, find a woman
• 45:59
  a window to crawl through, right?
• 46:02
  Like you don't you just don't, don't worry, you're going to
• 46:06
  find, you will find a way, right?
• 46:08
  You just have to find the way. Don't take that closed doors.
• 46:11
  That's it. That window, crawl through the
• 46:15
  window and move on. And, and what's so important,
• 46:19
  it's, it's the, it's the getting back up that is going to change
• 46:24
  everything and make you stronger.
• 46:26
  And you just, you have to, you have to get back up.
• 46:29
  Yeah. Do you think there's any
• 46:31
  misconceptions about you out there that you'd like to care up
• 46:35
  or people might think they know about you that got wrong?
• 46:37
  Anything like that at all? I mean, maybe people don't know
• 46:44
  that in real life I'm a dork. I'm really a nerd.
• 46:49
  I'm a dork. Like I go around and sing and
• 46:53
  dance outside and my kids think I'm the biggest nerd.
• 46:56
  For example, we love The Greatest Showman, the movie, and
• 47:02
  we watch it all the time. And every single time a song
• 47:05
  comes on in the movie I make, all the kids get up and we dance
• 47:09
  around and we sing and we jump on the couch and we sing and we
• 47:13
  twirl around and then the song's over, and then we plop back down
• 47:16
  on the couch and watch the movie, keep watching the movie,
• 47:18
  and then another song comes on. So I just do silly, dumb things
• 47:23
  like that. My kids love it.
• 47:26
  They pretend like they don't love it like Mom, do we have to?
• 47:29
  Yes, you do get us. I think a nerd is great and
• 47:33
  nerds are the best life, Yeah. Nerds are the best, yeah.
• 47:38
  Yes. So but then you did something
• 47:40
  more, you do more serious things and you did Celebrity
• 47:43
  Apprentice. I mean, listen, I was on The
• 47:47
  Apprentice. It is hard, OK?
• 47:50
  It's like the stress that you can see the cameras on you.
• 47:54
  You're in this environment, you're stuck in this house with
• 47:56
  these people. I mean, I don't know what the
• 47:58
  the setup was. Did you have to all live
• 48:00
  together in the in a house? So didn't have to live together,
• 48:04
  but as you know, it's like you're spending.
• 48:06
  A lot of. Time nowadays together and
• 48:09
  that's one thing that that people there is that
• 48:12
  misconception and people don't realize that competition reality
• 48:17
  shows are real. You cannot fake that you're not
• 48:21
  allowed to. They have legalities, they have
• 48:23
  rules. It is all very real and we were
• 48:26
  working on average 16 to 18 hours every day.
• 48:30
  Really did have these tasks we had to complete.
• 48:34
  But I loved it. Like I, I thrive on competition.
• 48:36
  I thrive on working and getting stuff done because I'm a doer
• 48:41
  and I know I'll run and I'll do, you know, do things that other
• 48:44
  people won't do 100 like all the time.
• 48:47
  So for me, that was my area of expertise.
• 48:50
  That's where I thrive. You were thriving.
• 48:53
  I did see a scene of when you went down on your knees to ask
• 48:57
  or something what happened. Yes.
• 49:00
  So this was the very beginning and this was for the very first
• 49:05
  task. And I knew that I had a lot of
• 49:08
  money that I was going to raise. And so the first task was a
• 49:12
  money raising task. So I wanted to be project
• 49:14
  manager because I knew I was going to raise all this money
• 49:17
  and I'm and who was it? Brett Michaels?
• 49:20
  He said, oh, I want to be project manager and blah, blah,
• 49:23
  blah. But he didn't have money coming
• 49:25
  in. He wasn't really a big money
• 49:27
  guy. So I was like, I really need
• 49:28
  this task. So I got on my knees and I
• 49:30
  begged. I said, please, you can have the
• 49:32
  next one, blah, blah, blah, give me this one.
• 49:34
  I want to be And I got it. I got my way.
• 49:37
  Yeah, like you're saying, whatever you need to do and
• 49:40
  whatever way, but that's a very charming and disarming way of
• 49:44
  getting what it's very smart. Yeah, well, I tried.
• 49:47
  I tried all the little things and I had to, I think of the
• 49:50
  person that I'm speaking with trying to get what I want and
• 49:54
  and then I knew I figured out what what was going to work.
• 49:57
  So that worked, yes, you've. Enjoyed your time on on
• 50:01
  Celebrity Apprentice and and all I.
• 50:03
  Really did. I mean, it was a a wonderful
• 50:07
  experience. It was not easy.
• 50:09
  People might think it's easy, right?
• 50:12
  Definitely not easy. I learned a lot and I raised a
• 50:16
  lot of money for my charity. So I for me, it was a success.
• 50:19
  I I really I would. Charity.
• 50:22
  Over again. What charity the.
• 50:23
  First, first time I did it was called CPIC, which is California
• 50:28
  Youth police charities. And that brings money to ask at
• 50:32
  at risk youth like gives them school scholarships, gives them
• 50:35
  computers, stuff they couldn't normally get if if they didn't
• 50:39
  have these programs. And that was the first time.
• 50:41
  Then when I went back for the All Stars, I did it for charity
• 50:44
  called Promises to Kids, which was a an orphanage in San Diego.
• 50:49
  So it brought money to those kids.
• 50:51
  So for me, it was always about kids.
• 50:53
  It was just that that's my. That's what what touches you.
• 50:56
  Yeah, hundred, 100%. And then you've launched
• 51:00
  businesses, you've partnered with Adam Levine on a luxury
• 51:02
  shoe line, created a networking platform.
• 51:05
  So you've done, you're pretty entrepreneurial.
• 51:07
  So where does that? Why?
• 51:09
  How, where does that come from the entrepreneurial streak?
• 51:12
  Like why do you have that do you think?
• 51:16
  It's not a normal. Thing.
• 51:17
  It's not a normal thing to her. It's not.
• 51:20
  It's really not. Yeah, I, I, I don't know where
• 51:24
  that comes from, but I love creating.
• 51:27
  I love creating things. Like most everything that I've
• 51:30
  done is something where I get to be creative and start something.
• 51:35
  So whenever something doesn't work out or this business didn't
• 51:39
  work out, then I'm ready to do the next.
• 51:41
  I pivot. So you've never thought about
• 51:45
  being an employee employed by someone in in that traditional
• 51:49
  sense. That's never crossed your mind.
• 51:51
  It's always, always been entrepreneurial.
• 51:53
  Is that right? No, I mean, because when I got
• 51:57
  my first job when I was 14, I got hired, but I didn't start
• 52:01
  till I was 15. I worked at a health club as a
• 52:04
  telemarketing manager. All right.
• 52:06
  And I, I worked at that health club for eight years.
• 52:09
  So that was I was employed by this person.
• 52:11
  But then when I was in high school, I was like, high
• 52:15
  school's not for me. I want to get out, I want to
• 52:17
  make money. I want to buy a house.
• 52:20
  I wanted I was very much into. I loved real estate.
• 52:23
  My parents always like tore down and, and fixed up homes and that
• 52:27
  was kind of a thing. So I decided to graduate a year
• 52:30
  early and I went to junior college and I took independent
• 52:35
  studies. So I graduated a year early on
• 52:37
  my 17th birthday. Nice.
• 52:39
  And then I went right away to get my real estate license and
• 52:42
  then shortly after that moved to Hollywood.
• 52:46
  But I always that's why I did work for someone else.
• 52:49
  But it's just. I just.
• 52:53
  I like to create and I like to, I don't.
• 52:55
  Know so you have a real estate license.
• 52:59
  Oh yeah, I've had it since I was 18.
• 53:01
  So you could be on Selling Sunset OH.
• 53:05
  No, because I could, you could. It's not my.
• 53:11
  I don't like doing it for other people, like listing home and
• 53:15
  doing and showing people properties.
• 53:18
  I'll do it for family and friends and I do it for myself.
• 53:20
  I'd like to search and find a piece of Doo Doo, let's say that
• 53:24
  looks like crap, but nobody else sees the vision because I'm very
• 53:28
  much, I don't know what the right word is.
• 53:31
  I don't want to say I guess a visionary because I can see
• 53:35
  something even with my house. I walked in and there was this
• 53:38
  wall and then you have to go around, go outside, there's all
• 53:41
  these trees. But if you go around the trees,
• 53:45
  there's this amazing view. And I'm like, why would anyone
• 53:48
  block that view with trees and a wall?
• 53:50
  So guess what I did, I knocked down the trees, I knocked down
• 53:54
  the wall and I did this beautiful big sliding open door
• 53:58
  where you just walk out. There's the view.
• 54:00
  So I, I see that I, I can see past the ugliness.
• 54:04
  I guess that's a good way of putting it.
• 54:06
  So for me, I love going buying homes that people because most
• 54:09
  people can't see past the ugliness at all.
• 54:11
  They can't envision something. Else, well, it's entrepreneur.
• 54:16
  It's entrepreneur, it's the idea and then you're creating, you're
• 54:20
  making something. You can see you're adding value,
• 54:23
  you're taking something, you're transforming it, you're turning
• 54:26
  into it because it's a business. You can sell that.
• 54:28
  Then because it's got this superb view, but you're doing,
• 54:31
  you're adding value to things. That's just an entrepreneurial
• 54:34
  mindset. Good way to put it, because
• 54:37
  that's the way I look at it when I, I feel like I add value to
• 54:40
  things. So thank you for saying that.
• 54:42
  Yeah. I, I think so too.
• 54:45
  So has there ever been a moment where you've been
• 54:49
  underestimated, you know, a lot where you've had to sort of go,
• 54:53
  OK, and let me, let me, let me show you who I am.
• 54:56
  Has there been a moment like that?
• 54:58
  That you. Nothing too major, but I do have
• 55:01
  a story, like even what that has to do with The Celebrity
• 55:04
  Apprentice. Okay, so when we were talking
• 55:08
  about my agent was talking with them, they weren't 100% sold on
• 55:11
  me because as you know, with The Apprentice, you have to have
• 55:14
  that business acumen. You have to show your smarts,
• 55:18
  right? So they, the producers, wanted
• 55:20
  to meet with me. So we went and had lunch at the
• 55:23
  Beverly Hills Hotel and we were talking and I was telling them
• 55:28
  and explaining to them about all my businesses and what I do.
• 55:31
  And they're like, OK, we get it. OK, yes, you're very intelligent
• 55:34
  and that's great. And they said, but what about
• 55:38
  like celebrities bringing in money and all that?
• 55:41
  Do you have that? Can you do that?
• 55:43
  Because that's a big part of the show.
• 55:44
  The celebrity version is bringing in celebrities and
• 55:46
  money. To raise the.
• 55:48
  Charity, Yeah. So we're sitting there and as
• 55:51
  they ask that question, I kid you not, Russell Simmons and
• 55:56
  Brett Ratner walk into the restaurant across the room.
• 55:59
  Brandy, what's up? And they come walking up.
• 56:02
  And at the time, this was 2008, Brett Ratner was probably the
• 56:06
  hottest director at the Rush Hour just came out and he's
• 56:11
  doing all these big movies. Russell Simmons and his freaking
• 56:14
  music producer. Massive.
• 56:16
  And they're I get up and give me a hug and they walk to their
• 56:20
  table. And I said to them, I said, does
• 56:23
  that answer your question? And they're like you're hired.
• 56:27
  I love that. I love that.
• 56:28
  That's so cool. I love that that happened.
• 56:31
  It was. A perfect moment.
• 56:32
  I mean it, It almost was like I paid him and planned it or
• 56:36
  something, but it couldn't have been more perfect timing.
• 56:38
  Yeah, it's lovely that it was genuine as well, that that adds
• 56:41
  to the beautifulness of it. So you have a new movie,
• 56:47
  Mindful, and not only are you in it, you directed the movie.
• 56:54
  Like seriously and starred in it.
• 56:57
  How? You produced.
• 56:58
  It and and you produced it. Let's just I just step back.
• 57:04
  You did all that OK. You went from active you when
• 57:07
  you say you, you you pivot. You really pivot yeah, you've
• 57:10
  done all these things. That is huge to have done that
• 57:13
  yeah. How why how did it go?
• 57:17
  Are you happy with it? Tell me I'm.
• 57:19
  Very happy with, I'm very happy with it.
• 57:22
  And I just, I was at a time when I, I have to make the next step,
• 57:29
  right? And the next step for me was
• 57:31
  creating my own project. And when this came about, it was
• 57:35
  kind of during COVID and there was no work right there.
• 57:39
  You weren't allowed to, There was no work.
• 57:41
  And so I'm, I'm just like, well, I've got to do something.
• 57:44
  I'm not going to sit around and, but I've been in the business
• 57:47
  for so long. I have so many connections, so
• 57:49
  much experience. I'm like, I think I can do this.
• 57:52
  I think I can do this on my own. But that being said, there was a
• 57:55
  lot to learn and I'm lucky that I know a lot of people in the
• 57:58
  business. So I made a lot of phone calls
• 58:00
  all the time and I listened and I asked questions and I
• 58:04
  researched and I read and I probably listened to a million
• 58:08
  books a week. So I I felt I was ready and I
• 58:12
  wanted to create something that was familiar to me and that's
• 58:16
  the genre horror films. That's.
• 58:19
  Like, yeah, it's it's I love it too.
• 58:22
  And one of the things, but of course, I'm a business person,
• 58:25
  right? So I talked to my producer
• 58:27
  friends and said, what is the easiest genre to sell?
• 58:30
  Because yeah, I'm going to make this movie.
• 58:31
  And I'm not just going to make a movie to make a movie.
• 58:33
  I'm going to do it to make money.
• 58:34
  So they all said at the time was horror.
• 58:37
  So it went hand in hand. It was perfect because that's
• 58:39
  what I wanted to do. And so I, I did it and, and it
• 58:44
  wasn't easy. It was not easy.
• 58:45
  No, it's not easy. I mean you with the film, it's
• 58:48
  all the different angles and the the, the I mean so much, you
• 58:52
  know, being on apprentice, something like that, you learn
• 58:54
  what goes into a very serious production.
• 58:56
  Also, you know, the podcast studio, the camera work, the
• 58:59
  sound editing, the different types of cameras, the lenses,
• 59:02
  the the possibilities of how to shoot that it just, you walk
• 59:07
  look into it and it is Pandora's box.
• 59:09
  So you must have had to learn very, very quickly.
• 59:12
  I had to learn quickly. There was always hurdles and
• 59:16
  roadblocks that we had to pivot and get around.
• 59:20
  It was constant from the very beginning, from the pre
• 59:22
  production all the way to post production.
• 59:25
  But I will say, as hard as it was, I, I would do it again in a
• 59:30
  second all the time, all day long.
• 59:32
  This is the job that I would do for free.
• 59:35
  You know, they always say you'll never work a day in your life if
• 59:37
  you do what you love. And that's why I feel about
• 59:40
  producing a film and acting and I, I just, I love it so much.
• 59:45
  But again, it is freaking hard, but I love it.
• 59:49
  You know, it's like, it's so funny that they could be the
• 59:52
  same thing, right? That you can love something
• 59:54
  that's so hard, but it but it's so true.
• 59:57
  And the first day of being on set, I just, I remember pulling
• 1:00:01
  up and I looked around and it was just this most amazing.
• 1:00:07
  I'm almost getting emotional just thinking about it.
• 1:00:09
  It's like it was the most amazing feeling.
• 1:00:11
  Wow. I did this and it just felt so
• 1:00:15
  good. I felt confident, I was excited
• 1:00:19
  and I couldn't wait for it to start.
• 1:00:21
  So I think that it's fun when you can find something that you
• 1:00:26
  love, that you're so passionate. About when you speak, you are.
• 1:00:31
  It sounds to me, and I'm I'm picking up the energy all the
• 1:00:34
  way from across the pond You're in.
• 1:00:36
  You are in the right place at the right time, doing exactly
• 1:00:41
  what you should be doing. Feel it.
• 1:00:44
  Yeah, it's a cool thing. It's pretty neat.
• 1:00:47
  That's awesome. So what's next for you, Brandy?
• 1:00:50
  What? What's next?
• 1:00:51
  More movies? What do you think?
• 1:00:54
  Well, I have my my book here of all my ideas and I write a lot.
• 1:01:00
  I'm very creative. I mean, I like to write stories
• 1:01:04
  and I have a lot of different movies and I have a lot of
• 1:01:07
  different series. So once I get Wineville, you
• 1:01:10
  know, really off and running everywhere, then I can really
• 1:01:14
  sit down at that moment in my life and pick like which of my
• 1:01:18
  stories am I passionate about right now in this moment that I
• 1:01:22
  want to pursue? Because I have all over the
• 1:01:25
  board stories, comedies, horror, thrillers, real life tragedies,
• 1:01:31
  like real, real life fun thing. Like there's so many different
• 1:01:35
  thoughts I have. And so depending on where my
• 1:01:38
  life is at in a couple months, once I've got Wineville off and
• 1:01:40
  running, I will decide which avenue I want to go.
• 1:01:44
  But it will be a film or a, you know, ATV series, definitely.
• 1:01:49
  I'm sure to speaking to you it's going to be a whole bunch of
• 1:01:52
  different things, so we better see trap on and see what it is.
• 1:01:57
  Yes, trap on. Brandy, it's been an absolute
• 1:01:59
  pleasure talking to you. Thank you so much.
• 1:02:02
  I can't wait to see what you do next and thank.
• 1:02:04
  You, well, I love it. Your listeners would do a fellow
• 1:02:09
  apprentice entrepreneur independent film a solid.
• 1:02:13
  I would love it if everyone would go out and watch wine
• 1:02:16
  though. We're gonna watch Wine, though.
• 1:02:17
  We are gonna post links. We, we will post all of the
• 1:02:20
  links and, and all of that for sure on our on our channel.
• 1:02:23
  So everyone will be able to see the movie for sure.
• 1:02:26
  And we'll make it easy. But yeah, it's been it's been
• 1:02:30
  amazing having you on. Thank you.
• 1:02:32
  Thank you, I had so much fun chatting with you.