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Another woman accuses famed director Roman Polanski of teen rape · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: February two thousand four, Maura Murray empties her bank account,
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Speaker 1: x M Triumph Channel one thirty two. She's the woman
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Speaker 1: who was sexually assaulted by famed movie director Roman Polanski
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Speaker 1: forty years ago when she was only thirteen. It just
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Speaker 1: wasn't as traumatic for me as everybody would like to
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Speaker 1: believe it was. Polanski fled the United States to France
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Speaker 1: in night before his sentence. Six now eight three year
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Speaker 1: old Polansky lives mostly in France and his been seeking
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Speaker 1: to be sentenced in absentia. The sixty year old woman
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Speaker 1: identified only as Robin, walked into the conference room hand
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Speaker 1: in hand with attorney Gloria Allred. She says, when she
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Speaker 1: was sixteen years old, director Roman Polanski sexually assaulted her
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Speaker 1: and needs to be held accountable. Polanski's attorney, Harlan Brown,
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Speaker 1: is discrediting the new accusations against Polanski. I think it's
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Speaker 1: just an attempt to get some publicity. You know, it's
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Speaker 1: been said so many times. A leopard can't change their spots.
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Speaker 1: I'm talking, of course, about Hollywood star director Roman Polanski,
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Speaker 1: who was now facing more rape charges abroad after having
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Speaker 1: escaped a rape charge on a minor here in the US.
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Speaker 1: I Nancy Grace, this is crime Stories. Thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us, with me, Jos got Morgan, forensics investigator,
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Speaker 1: Marie Napoli, high profile lawyer, and joining me Alexis to
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Speaker 1: rest Chuck from Radar online dot Com. Alexa first to
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Speaker 1: you first of all, before I go through his last
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Speaker 1: rape charge here in the US, and he's been hiding
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Speaker 1: out and his multimillion dollar home ever since. Overseas. What's
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Speaker 1: the new rape allegation? A new woman has come forward.
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Speaker 1: She is in her sixties now. Her name is Renee Langer.
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Speaker 1: She says when she was fifteen years old in nineteen
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Speaker 1: seventy two, that Roman Plansky raped her, not once, but
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Speaker 1: more than one time. She said she was a young actress.
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Speaker 1: She was in a movie with him and he raped
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Speaker 1: her in a hotel room. She said, not only did
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Speaker 1: that happen, she then went to Rome another location while
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Speaker 1: she was filming the movie, and he raped her again.
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Speaker 1: She has come forward all these years later because she
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Speaker 1: says she was humiliated, embarrassed, shocked when it happened. She
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Speaker 1: was so young she did not want to tell her parents.
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Speaker 1: She was too embarrassed and afraid of what they would say.
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Speaker 1: Both of her parents passed away within the last two years,
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Speaker 1: and she said she's held the secret and for too long,
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Speaker 1: and she had to tell what happened. This after we
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Speaker 1: know Polanski has skated free on another rape charge here
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Speaker 1: in the US. In that case, a young teen girl
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Speaker 1: was quote scouted for a movie role, told how beautiful
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Speaker 1: she was, blah blah blah blah. How old was the
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Speaker 1: US victim? Alexi's Trest Chuck thirteen, Oh Dear Lord in Heaven.
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Speaker 1: Roman Polanski is the man behind classic movies like Rosemary's Baby,
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Speaker 1: China Town. He won an Academy Award for Best Director
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Speaker 1: for the film The Pianist, and he has been repeatedly
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Speaker 1: accused of sex misconduct with children. Now the claim here
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Speaker 1: in the US was largely pooh pooed because he's famous
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Speaker 1: and she wasn't. But now similar claims arising across the ocean.
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Speaker 1: Back to Alexa's stress, Chuck with Radar online dot Com
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Speaker 1: The New York Times his reporting that Renate Langer, she's
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Speaker 1: now sixty one, of Germany, spoke with police in Switzerland
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Speaker 1: alleging Roman Polanski raped her several times when she was
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Speaker 1: an underaged teen A former model and actress. She says
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Speaker 1: she confided at the time to a little boyfriend, but
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Speaker 1: did not report them at the time because she was
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Speaker 1: worried about how her parents would have reacted. She was
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Speaker 1: afraid quote, my mother would have had a heart attack.
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Speaker 1: I felt ashamed, embarrassed, lost, so low and as Alexas
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Speaker 1: just said, she's coming forward now because it will bring
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Speaker 1: her parents no pain as they have passed on again
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Speaker 1: the circumstances surrounding the new rape allegations on Roman Polansky.
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Speaker 1: And this is killing me because I have been listening
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Speaker 1: to the elite pseudo intellectual saying, oh, he's been punished
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Speaker 1: enough because he had to go overseas, he's living in
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Speaker 1: a mansion in Switzerland. He's not being punished. He's still
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Speaker 1: a film director. He's won an oscar for Pete's sake,
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Speaker 1: and now more girl victims emerge. Alexis helped me. Well
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Speaker 1: that's the thing. I mean. Roman Plansky was found guilty,
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Speaker 1: convicted of these charges. He was about to go to jail,
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Speaker 1: and he fled the US and he's been on the
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Speaker 1: run of her since. And people, even the victim, the
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Speaker 1: California victim, has come forward and she said, oh man,
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Speaker 1: you know it wasn't his fault. I agree to it. People,
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Speaker 1: system does not except that at all. He is guilty
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Speaker 1: and he has hidden from his sentence for decades. How
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Speaker 1: is it that a rape victim, a little girl rape victim,
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Speaker 1: who was given booze and drugs and a hot tub
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Speaker 1: of a famous Hollywood director, somehow now thinks it's her fault,
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Speaker 1: given booze and drugs in a hot tub of a
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Speaker 1: Hollywood director, a famous Hollywood director, and now somehow they've
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Speaker 1: gotten to her and she thinks it's all her fault.
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Speaker 1: And now another rape victim emerges allegedly let me tell
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Speaker 1: you follow up on what Alexis terres Chuck from Radar
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Speaker 1: online dot Com is telling us. This new victim says
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Speaker 1: she met with Roman Polansky. While she was working as
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Speaker 1: a model. He invited her to his home and stad
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Speaker 1: because he was considering her for a film role. My
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Speaker 1: that sounds familiar. She claims. Polanski first raped her in
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Speaker 1: a bedroom at his home, again familiar, a second time
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Speaker 1: in Rome, where she traveled after being cast in a
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Speaker 1: small part in one of his films. She played um
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Speaker 1: naked girl with a hat in the film w h
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Speaker 1: A t question mark is the name of the film,
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Speaker 1: so that much has been corroborated. Now her allegation is
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Speaker 1: the fourth claim against Roman Polansky, and even when people
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Speaker 1: are writing about him, they refer to him as the
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Speaker 1: legendary director instead of the convicted rapist. What do they
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Speaker 1: mean by that? Alexis the fourth such allegation against Roman Polansky,
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Speaker 1: the Hollywood director. Well, I think similar to what happens
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Speaker 1: with Bill Cosby, when one woman feels empowered enough to
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Speaker 1: come forward, it really shows the other women that they
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Speaker 1: have nothing to hide and that there is support for
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Speaker 1: them out there, so they come forward and it has
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Speaker 1: opened the floodgates. And people have said this for years
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Speaker 1: with Polansky, that this woman or this child in California
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Speaker 1: could not have been the only victim. It wasn't a
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Speaker 1: first time thing, and it certainly wasn't the last. And
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Speaker 1: this is what it shows that this woman was still
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Speaker 1: because this is four years after Roman Plansky is beautiful,
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Speaker 1: pregnant White was murdered by the Charles Manson family in
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Speaker 1: their home in Beverly Hills. And and he has said
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Speaker 1: many times if that affected him so much, I'm not
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Speaker 1: sure how one horrific murder. Don't please, don't drag Sharon
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Speaker 1: takes murder into this. I want to tell you something else, Alexas. Now,
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Speaker 1: this guy actually pled guilty, pled guilty. This multi millionaire
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Speaker 1: Hollywood director pleads guilty all the sex assault of this
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Speaker 1: little girl. And this is what happened in that case.
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Speaker 1: The then forty three year old Hollywood director met thirteen
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Speaker 1: year old Samantha Gailey. Claimed he was interested in photographing
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Speaker 1: her for a project he claimed for a French fashion magazine.
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Speaker 1: Then he took pictures of her in his l A home.
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Speaker 1: Then he asked her to quote sit for him at
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Speaker 1: the Mulholland Drive home of Hollywood star Jack Nicholson. Nicholson
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Speaker 1: was traveling his girlfriend Angelica. He suston that we all
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Speaker 1: know famous star was at the residence, but when Gilly
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Speaker 1: got there she wasn't home. They had the photo shoot
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Speaker 1: and it ended up I love the way people right.
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Speaker 1: It ended up with the forty three year old director
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Speaker 1: and the thirteen year old girl in a hot tub.
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Speaker 1: She had champagne and queyludes, and they had oral, vaginal
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Speaker 1: and anal sex in a bedroom. A thirteen year old
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Speaker 1: girl anal six to the grand jury, she says she
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Speaker 1: repeatedly asked to go home, but he persisted. Houston comes home,
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Speaker 1: interrupts them, and later describes the girl as quote sullen. Well,
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Speaker 1: I guess she was sullen. She had just been anally raped.
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Speaker 1: And it kills me. Alexis Terres chuck that Hollywood elites
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Speaker 1: and let me just say, the Upper west Side gang
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Speaker 1: in New York insists Polansky should get to come back.
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Speaker 1: Scott three to this country. And now the new claims
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Speaker 1: have arisen, How are they similar to the US claims, Alexis,
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Speaker 1: because they are still young teenage girls, very very young
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Speaker 1: teenage girls. They're in the privacy of Roman's own home
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Speaker 1: or a hotel, and he does the same thing. They're
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Speaker 1: these vulnerable girls who really, you know, back in the seventies,
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Speaker 1: wanted to be in the movie industry. Their parents are
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Speaker 1: not with them, so he traps them in this situation
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Speaker 1: and then attacks them, and they have no recourse. They
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Speaker 1: don't nobody's going to believe them. They don't even want
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Speaker 1: to tell their own parents. Because if it in the
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Speaker 1: United States, where you know, he was actually convicted and
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Speaker 1: and set up the plea deal, he was going to
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Speaker 1: go to jail, he fled. What's gonna happen to him
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Speaker 1: in Italy? Nothing? You know, he's nothing. He's untouchable because
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Speaker 1: he's this famous director that that people love, and so
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Speaker 1: they refuse to help these little girls. Why is it,
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Speaker 1: Alexis that are so many people have joined the Greek
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Speaker 1: chorus in the background claim mean he should come back
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Speaker 1: to the U. S. Scott Free. I do not know.
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Speaker 1: My personal thing, I do not know. But people, you've
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Speaker 1: got a child, Alexis, can you imagine your baby or
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Speaker 1: my little girl? You know, my twins John Dave and
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Speaker 1: Lucy high On Champagne and kway Ludes at age in
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Speaker 1: a hot tub with a forty three year old Hollywood director.
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Speaker 1: What no? And I'm so mad. I want their kids
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Speaker 1: to be successful and they just think that this Hollywood
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Speaker 1: lifestyle is okay, and they turned a blind eye. But
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Speaker 1: I don't think any parent ever expected that to happen,
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Speaker 1: which is you know the girls that she couldn't even
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Speaker 1: tell her mom that. I'm not blaming the parents, I'm
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Speaker 1: blaming all the people that want to let him back
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Speaker 1: in the country with no jail time, no charge. I
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Speaker 1: our expert along with Joseph Scott Morgan forensics investigator Marie
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Speaker 1: and Napolie is with us, high profile lawyer out of
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Speaker 1: New York City. You know Marie again, thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us. The other victims I'm referring to alleged
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Speaker 1: victims are a British actress Charlotte Lewis, who states Polanski
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Speaker 1: forced himself on her in his apartment in Paris. I mean,
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Speaker 1: what does this guy have homes all over the world.
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Speaker 1: She gave an interview. Finally, she was a model at
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Speaker 1: the time she met with him in his apartment about
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Speaker 1: guess what, Marie allegedly possibly being cast in a film? Okay,
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Speaker 1: that was Charlotte, Yeah, Charlotte Lewis. And and there is
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Speaker 1: another person, a Robin m m as in mother came
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Speaker 1: forward when she learned about this to talk about her
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Speaker 1: case and speaks out so that Samantha would quote, No,
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Speaker 1: she was not the only minor child Roman Polanski victimized. Okay,
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Speaker 1: there we go. The only thing I can say about
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Speaker 1: that is there was a five hundred thousand dollar settlement
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Speaker 1: with Samantha gali Um which tends to bring other women
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Speaker 1: out of the woodwork. Whether it's true or not, but
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Speaker 1: that's certainly an incentive for people to be coming forward.
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Speaker 1: So um Uh, that is something that you should keep
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Speaker 1: in the back of your mind, Marie, as a crime
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Speaker 1: victim and a former prosecutor. Let me understand you are saying,
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Speaker 1: these women are coming forward now after the first publicized
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Speaker 1: victim got a civil settlement. After a civil settlement, it
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Speaker 1: gives or just for notoriety, these are the reasons why
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Speaker 1: women would come forward. It's not true, so so um
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Speaker 1: what we do know is that he pled guilty to
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Speaker 1: um for a plea. He pled guilty for a play
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Speaker 1: for a justice written bound who really um in my opinion,
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Speaker 1: criminally went back on the deal. After he served his time.
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Speaker 1: He was supposed to come back to court for the
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Speaker 1: sentencing after forty five days in jail and ninety days
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Speaker 1: at psychiatric um Uh facility. That that said that this
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Speaker 1: man was not a pedophile, He was not um Uh
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Speaker 1: sexual predator. He showed real remorse, and he was supposed
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Speaker 1: to um be sentenced to time already served. The judge
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Speaker 1: changed his mind, said he was like, hold white whoa
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Speaker 1: whoa whoa white white man, hold on, hold on, Let
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Speaker 1: me understand something, Marie. Um. What kind of law do
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Speaker 1: you practice. I do all types of different litigation, big cases, civil, civil, criminal. Okay,
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Speaker 1: And I'm assuming that you are very familiar, since you're
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Speaker 1: a seasoned lawyer, with the fact that a prosecutor and
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Speaker 1: a defense attorney can agree on a plate, but when
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Speaker 1: the judge hears it, the judge doesn't have to agree
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Speaker 1: with it. But he did agree with it. He agreed
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Speaker 1: with the plea in advance, said he was going to
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Speaker 1: agree on the pla. So Roman took the polea based
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Speaker 1: on that assurance, and he went to jail for the
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Speaker 1: forty five days. He did the ninety days, and the
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Speaker 1: psychiatric unit. They gave him a good evaluation that he
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Speaker 1: was not going to be a harm um. And then
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Speaker 1: he was coming he flew back to court for the sentencing.
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Speaker 1: Uh and and then he heard that the judge was
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Speaker 1: going back on the deal and he was going to
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Speaker 1: throw the book at him fifty years. He said he
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Speaker 1: was going to keep him in jail for the rest
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Speaker 1: of his life. Even the prosecutor said, under those circumstances,
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Speaker 1: he understood why he left, and there was no bail.
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Speaker 1: He didn't jump bail. There was let me let me
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Speaker 1: understand something else, Marie. So the you referred to him
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Speaker 1: as Roman Roman Polanski pled guilty to sex with a
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Speaker 1: thirteen year old girl. Because I'm hearing a lot from
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Speaker 1: you about how the judge double crossed him. You know,
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Speaker 1: I'm a little more concerned with the fact that he
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Speaker 1: annually raped a thirteen year old girl after fading her
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Speaker 1: quite louds in Champagne. And and between you and me, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: I think the agreed upon plea was light. Um. I
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Speaker 1: think it should have been more substantial than what the
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Speaker 1: agreed upon plea was. But that was the plea, and
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Speaker 1: that induced him to agree to it, and that was
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Speaker 1: approved by the judge. You know, it's unconscionable that a
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Speaker 1: judge goes back on that after the fact and says,
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Speaker 1: you know this this Uhlansky agreed to that plea based
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Speaker 1: on what he was getting and then and admitted to guilt.
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Speaker 1: He could have fought it. He could have fought it,
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Speaker 1: and maybe the outcome would have been different. So yes,
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Speaker 1: he could have, but he didn't. He didn't didn't. He
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Speaker 1: could have withdrawn his play, Marie, if he didn't like
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Speaker 1: the judge of sentence, he could have withdrawn the pla
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Speaker 1: and gone to draw. He he spent the time in
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Speaker 1: jail days. I'm not impressed, Marie, he did forty five days.
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying I'm not impressed. I think the plea
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Speaker 1: was low, but he should the judge Jent have agreed
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Speaker 1: to it to begin with and have been made then
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Speaker 1: when he when he justifiably relied on what the police
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Speaker 1: deal was. And then that just Scot mor very about
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Speaker 1: the time in jail. That that's my opinion. So that's
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Speaker 1: why all these other countries are now saying he he
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Speaker 1: did his time. Um, he did the time that he
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Speaker 1: was supposed. I'd like to go to our other guests,
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, who is with us today, who has
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Speaker 1: tried many, many criminal cases. Um, you know, Joe Scott,
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Speaker 1: it's amazing to me, amazing how the other victims that
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Speaker 1: have now come forward who have not filed a civil
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Speaker 1: suit for money against Polanski because the time to do
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Speaker 1: that has passed. There's no money involved with these other
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Speaker 1: women to my knowledge. Yet it's amazing to me that
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Speaker 1: instead of focusing on a four time sex offender allegedly,
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Speaker 1: that people are still arguing that Roman Polanski was double
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Speaker 1: crossed by a judge because the judge came to his
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Speaker 1: senses and rejected a light. Please, well, you know, Joe Scott,
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Speaker 1: if it's me and I'm wrong, we've known each other
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Speaker 1: long enough, you can just tell me. But I think
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Speaker 1: that is completely bass awkwards. And for every rape victim
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Speaker 1: and sex assault victim that is hearing this right now,
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Speaker 1: and one in four women and girls, little girls are
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Speaker 1: sexually assaulted. One in for a look around, somebody with
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Speaker 1: you right now has probably been sex assaulted or I
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Speaker 1: just I can't believe people are still saying that Polanski
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Speaker 1: was double crossed and somehow it's the judges fault. All
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Speaker 1: these other people are coming forward, what they're all lyne?
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Speaker 1: I don't I don't believe that that they're all lying.
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Speaker 1: I can't begin to to fathom that. Uh and Uh.
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Speaker 1: The question is how many others, from an investigative standpoint,
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Speaker 1: has he left in his weight that they're so terrified
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Speaker 1: or have been so terrified in the past that they
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Speaker 1: would not come forward I think a lot of these people,
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Speaker 1: these victims, have been bullied, I think by uh, the
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Speaker 1: elite media, by those that that hold this person in
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Speaker 1: a steam because he's you know, created so called art
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Speaker 1: uh that that in the balance, uh bears more weight
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Speaker 1: uh than how you treat fellow human beings. And this
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Speaker 1: is this kind of thread that runs through uh, this
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Speaker 1: entire community. It's it's it's not just you know, it's
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Speaker 1: not it's not simply uh an indictment of him. I
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Speaker 1: think that it's a it's an indictment, like you said earlier,
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Speaker 1: of of of the systemic behavior that goes on that
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Speaker 1: just allows these people to be excused over and over
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Speaker 1: and over again, and people get to get tired of it,
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Speaker 1: and then you know later in life. You know, a
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Speaker 1: lot of these like this. This uh, this poor woman
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Speaker 1: in Germany. Uh. I don't know that she's filed for
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Speaker 1: any monetary recourse here. Uh it sounds as though uh
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Speaker 1: that she's uh that she's you know, genuinely heartsick over
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Speaker 1: over the circumstances where she was completely uh powerless. In fact,
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Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm not familiar with the statutes of
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Speaker 1: limitations in Germany, but I know here in the US,
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Speaker 1: after a period of years, frequently to just seven years,
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Speaker 1: you can no longer file a civil charge, a civil
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Speaker 1: claim for money. Marie Napoli with me lawyer out of
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Speaker 1: New York City. I heard you saying something about one
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Speaker 1: in four statistic before one and four. That seems extremely high. Um,
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Speaker 1: I was just wondering where that Okay, then I will
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Speaker 1: read it to you. I will read it to you.
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Speaker 1: Let's see here, one in four college women reports surviving
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Speaker 1: rape or attempted rape. Um, let me think here we
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Speaker 1: go twenty seven, more than one quarter, that would be
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Speaker 1: one four uh. Of women who identify as American, Indian,
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Speaker 1: or Alaska Native. One in three who are multi cold,
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Speaker 1: multi racial experience rape in their lifetime. One in five
23:54
Speaker 1: black and white not Hispanic women nineteen percent of them
24:00
Speaker 1: one in seven Hispanic in the US have experienced rape
24:04
Speaker 1: at some point in their lives. Every year in the
24:08
Speaker 1: US one million, two d and seventy thousand women experience rape.
24:15
Speaker 1: And I mean, I can go on extremely What is that? Yes,
24:19
Speaker 1: it is, isn't it? What is that paper that you're
24:22
Speaker 1: reading from? Is that does it give any authority for
24:25
Speaker 1: where you can look it up? It's called one in four.
24:31
Speaker 1: Let's see from the New York Times, one or four
24:34
Speaker 1: women experience sex assault on campus. I mean, it goes
24:38
Speaker 1: on and on and on. And I just find it
24:41
Speaker 1: so intriguing that you're questioning stats that you can look multi. Um.
24:48
Speaker 1: Have you did you practice criminal law? I me, I
24:53
Speaker 1: practiced a criminal civil law. I'm actually representing criminal civil law.
24:59
Speaker 1: What is that at? Well, there's criminals and they're civil.
25:02
Speaker 1: But my civil case, I'm handling a statutory rape case
25:06
Speaker 1: right now in a school district down in Texas. Um,
25:10
Speaker 1: I can't speak too much about that. UM, but UH,
25:16
Speaker 1: what I've learned about that is there's always two sides
25:19
Speaker 1: to every story. And um, and it was a statutory
25:24
Speaker 1: rape case, and I'm it was terrible situation. And what
25:31
Speaker 1: I what I bring from that to uh, Roman Polanski's case,
25:38
Speaker 1: is that there are two sides to every story we
25:41
Speaker 1: hold on. I think I think I missed something you
25:43
Speaker 1: were saying, Marie. I'm sorry, I think I think I
25:46
Speaker 1: missed something you say that you are working. I assume
25:50
Speaker 1: in the defense arena in a statutory rape case, and
25:55
Speaker 1: there are the plaintiff plaintiff, and there's a statutory right.
26:00
Speaker 1: And the thirteen year old woman, which I am not
26:03
Speaker 1: at liberty to give her name. A thirteen year old
26:06
Speaker 1: is not a woman to start with under the law.
26:09
Speaker 1: That's a child. Well it's a thirteen year old female,
26:12
Speaker 1: and it's a statutory rape case. And um, and so
26:18
Speaker 1: what that brings to the table to me and really
26:20
Speaker 1: getting into the minutia of all the facts, there are
26:24
Speaker 1: always two sides to every story, um, maybe three or four.
26:29
Speaker 1: So I find that bit difficult to believe when a child,
26:33
Speaker 1: when the rape victim is a child, that and if
26:37
Speaker 1: it's true that there's another side to that because I
26:41
Speaker 1: didn't know her age is really not a defense, you know.
26:44
Speaker 1: In addition to the stats sixty three and let me
26:50
Speaker 1: get my source for you of rapes, excuse me, sixty
26:57
Speaker 1: sex assaults are not reported to police, and only twelve
27:03
Speaker 1: of child sex abuse is ever reported. So if you
27:11
Speaker 1: take that into account, and this is from the National
27:14
Speaker 1: Sex Violence Resource Center, since you ask my sources, So
27:19
Speaker 1: if you take that into account with the number of
27:24
Speaker 1: one in four some people, some stats say one in
27:28
Speaker 1: five women are sex assaulted in their life, six not reported,
27:37
Speaker 1: only twelve percent of child sex abuse reported. I mean
27:42
Speaker 1: when you look at it like that, when you look
27:45
Speaker 1: at it in the face, it's a it's an epidemic, Nancy.
27:48
Speaker 1: This is Samantha Geimer, the woman sexually assaulted by Polanski
27:52
Speaker 1: in ninety seven when she was thirteen, telling reporters this
27:56
Speaker 1: year why she wants the judge to end the case
27:59
Speaker 1: as the director. Everyone's entitled to their opinion. I was there,
28:04
Speaker 1: I know what happened. Um. You know, it's very interesting
28:09
Speaker 1: to uh make it worse than it was and call
28:12
Speaker 1: it horrific and assign all these words to it, but
28:15
Speaker 1: that's not what happened. I was there, I'm fine. When
28:19
Speaker 1: this unfolded, I felt that it was unfair and it
28:22
Speaker 1: was be hand be handled in properly by the court
28:25
Speaker 1: at that time, Um, and I have wished for resolution
28:29
Speaker 1: since that day. It just wasn't as traumatic for me
28:32
Speaker 1: as everybody would like to believe it was. I was young,
28:36
Speaker 1: sexually active teenager, and it was a scary thing, but
28:39
Speaker 1: it was not an uncommon thing. I understood much worse
28:43
Speaker 1: things happened to people. So I just was not as
28:46
Speaker 1: traumatized as everybody thinks I should have been. This is
28:49
Speaker 1: the first opportunity I've had did some to court and talk.
28:52
Speaker 1: So I figured i'd take it because I thought it
28:53
Speaker 1: might be my last. So I was standing here saying,
28:56
Speaker 1: throw the book at him. I want him in jail
28:57
Speaker 1: for life. My opinion would count. When I'm standing here
29:01
Speaker 1: saying I'm fine and nothing you can do to him
29:03
Speaker 1: will help me or anybody else. Suddenly it's the State's not.
29:06
Speaker 1: Music counts. So it's a really hypocritical view. Either victims
29:09
Speaker 1: count or they don't. He served his sentence, he went
29:12
Speaker 1: to Chino for forty two days. I never asked anybody
29:15
Speaker 1: to put him in prison for one day. And this
29:18
Speaker 1: was all about Judge Ritten's Ban's ego. He was lied to,
29:22
Speaker 1: he did his sentence. He owes me nothing, and he
29:24
Speaker 1: owes the State of California nothing except to show up here. Eventionally,
29:27
Speaker 1: I think, well, I don't think he bears no responsibility. Um,
29:34
Speaker 1: but I also think the district attorney has a greater
29:36
Speaker 1: responsibility to investigate the misconduct that occurred in this case.
29:41
Speaker 1: Potentially a crime was committed by David Wells, and that
29:44
Speaker 1: is completely swept under the rug. While Roman is expected
29:47
Speaker 1: to stand up, I mean, he's just a person. The
29:50
Speaker 1: district attorney has an obligation, and they have never shown
29:53
Speaker 1: any interest in investigating the truth of what happened. And
29:56
Speaker 1: Roger Gunson's testimony would prove the truth and it would
29:59
Speaker 1: solve Romans problems and my problems. Hollywood star director Roman
30:04
Speaker 1: Polanski facing more rape charges abroad. Now, this is what
30:11
Speaker 1: Roman Polanski's lawyer or Harland Braun, tells us exclusively. Are
30:16
Speaker 1: we ever going to see him come back to Los Angeles? Oh?
30:19
Speaker 1: Of course, yeah. No, as long as we can have
30:22
Speaker 1: the judges acknowledge their original promises and follow the rules,
30:27
Speaker 1: will certainly come back. But he can't really risk coming
30:30
Speaker 1: back now where you have secret agreements among judges to
30:34
Speaker 1: let him uh cool as heels in the county jail
30:37
Speaker 1: despite the fact that he shouldn't be doing any more custody.
30:41
Speaker 1: So does Mr Polansky really want to come back to
30:44
Speaker 1: Los Angeles? His wife and son are buried in Holy
30:48
Speaker 1: Cross since Culver City and hasn't been able to visit them.
30:51
Speaker 1: He has another issue. He has award out for his
30:54
Speaker 1: arrest that prevents him from going outside of three countries
30:57
Speaker 1: in Europe, so that he would like to get the
31:00
Speaker 1: matter resolved if he can resolve it fairly and honestly,
31:04
Speaker 1: if he gets this resolved, will we see him in
31:07
Speaker 1: Los Angeles? You think you'll actually come here? Oh? I
31:10
Speaker 1: think so. Yeah. I mean this is the center of
31:13
Speaker 1: movie industry and he's one of the most prolific and
31:17
Speaker 1: west best recognized directors in movie history. Do you have
31:20
Speaker 1: any concern coming back there being other legal liabilities? We've
31:24
Speaker 1: recently saw that news conference from Gloria allread with a
31:27
Speaker 1: woman making some allegations against him, and then there was
31:30
Speaker 1: another one in two thousand and ten. Are you concerned
31:32
Speaker 1: at all about those cases or any legal liability. No,
31:35
Speaker 1: not at all, not at all. You know, from what
31:38
Speaker 1: I know about them, might think they're basically people that
31:40
Speaker 1: are jumping on the bend wagon and trying to get
31:42
Speaker 1: some publicity, and so they're also old. They're not really
31:46
Speaker 1: failable under any theory. So we really have the one
31:49
Speaker 1: pending case here in Los Angeles for the last four decades,
31:52
Speaker 1: and as you know, the victim in that case, Samantha Geimer,
31:56
Speaker 1: came forward and said of the judge, Hey, let's get
31:58
Speaker 1: this case over with him, because it's hurting me, it's
32:01
Speaker 1: hurting my family, and I thought that would would change
32:04
Speaker 1: the tide now, one thing I think people do not
32:08
Speaker 1: realize that if Mr Polanski had been sentenced to the
32:11
Speaker 1: maximum in he would have done the twelve months in custody.
32:17
Speaker 1: Twelve months, that's the maximum he was promised, you know,
32:21
Speaker 1: less than three months by the judge here who broke
32:25
Speaker 1: his promise. But because of various proceedings in Europe, he
32:29
Speaker 1: has done ten months already in custody. So he has
32:32
Speaker 1: done ten months in custody on a twelve month possible
32:36
Speaker 1: sentence in a world where you cannot extradite someone unless
32:41
Speaker 1: there is at least six months old. So it's that's
32:44
Speaker 1: really we are really in a insane situation to even
32:48
Speaker 1: be arguing about. There's another allegation a woman claiming she
32:52
Speaker 1: was assaulted many years ago in Europe. Are you concerned
32:55
Speaker 1: about that case? Not at all. It's she's claiming that
32:58
Speaker 1: she was assaulted in nineteen of any too, um, you know.
33:01
Speaker 1: And so I've talked to my client that he has
33:04
Speaker 1: no idea you know, what this is about, and certainly
33:08
Speaker 1: didn't rape anyone ever. I mean, this is the crime
33:13
Speaker 1: here that he's convicted of is basically unlawful sexual intercourse
33:17
Speaker 1: underage issue. So he's denying it. So we're not what
33:20
Speaker 1: what can we do? What could you do if someone
33:23
Speaker 1: said they were raped by you in ninety two, how
33:26
Speaker 1: would you prove that you didn't do it unless you
33:28
Speaker 1: were under a unless you were before puberty or something. So,
33:32
Speaker 1: you know, anytime you're a famous person, uh, and people
33:36
Speaker 1: want to jump on for publicity. We're dealing with one case.
33:39
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's going to be other people if they're
33:41
Speaker 1: gonna try to jump on the bad wagon. We want
33:43
Speaker 1: to deal with the situation here in Los Angeles. You
33:46
Speaker 1: have talked to your client Roman Polanski about this most
33:49
Speaker 1: recent allegation. Yes, yeah, yeah, yep, absolutely so. I got
33:53
Speaker 1: a call about it from the New York Times was
33:56
Speaker 1: picking it up, and I talked to him. I think
33:57
Speaker 1: he actually talked to the New York Times. I was
34:00
Speaker 1: away over the weekend. One thing I think that people
34:03
Speaker 1: do not realize in this country, particularly in Los Angeles,
34:07
Speaker 1: is that to foreign jurisdictions have already reviewed this case,
34:11
Speaker 1: and both of them, for very important reasons, rejected the
34:15
Speaker 1: American request for extradition. Switzerland rejected the request because the
34:20
Speaker 1: Los Angeles court wouldn't give him the sworn statement of
34:23
Speaker 1: the prosecutor. The prosecutor so Switzerland rejected that, and then
34:28
Speaker 1: Poland Uh, the Polish judge, wrote a two d page
34:32
Speaker 1: decision reviewing the entire case, referring to the secret emails
34:37
Speaker 1: between the judges and concluded that Mr Polansk had already
34:42
Speaker 1: been done his time that he promised was promised, but
34:45
Speaker 1: that it would be this judge who really admires our system,
34:49
Speaker 1: was sort of shocked and said that he would be
34:52
Speaker 1: afraid to appear in the Los Angeles court. What I
34:55
Speaker 1: find interesting is that no judge in Los Angeles has
34:58
Speaker 1: read those decisions because the court here refuses to put
35:02
Speaker 1: it on their website because they're so embarrassing. It's such
35:05
Speaker 1: an indictment of our system. It is sort of breathtaking.
35:09
Speaker 1: And if you notice the latest decision from Judge um
35:13
Speaker 1: Gordon and the previous decision from Judge Brandlon, they never
35:16
Speaker 1: mentioned the emails ever, even though we filed the emails,
35:21
Speaker 1: the their official emails between the judges. They've been filed
35:24
Speaker 1: the number of times, but they never mentioned them because
35:27
Speaker 1: they totally destroyed the um position of the District attorney
35:32
Speaker 1: and the court that Mr Plaski should come back with me.
35:37
Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, forensics investigator Marie Napoli, high profile lawyer
35:43
Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan. Um, one and four women are sex
35:47
Speaker 1: assaulted in their life and only twelve of child sex
35:52
Speaker 1: abuse is ever reported. Um, it's an epidemic, Joe Scott, Yeah,
36:00
Speaker 1: it is in in you know, I teach a university.
36:02
Speaker 1: One of the things that we talked about in in
36:04
Speaker 1: in victimology, I'll be real brief with it, is this
36:07
Speaker 1: idea of asymmetry where you've got this dominant person that
36:11
Speaker 1: either has money, they have physical power, Uh, they have
36:15
Speaker 1: some way to dominate somebody that is lesser than them
36:20
Speaker 1: in their mind. And that person that is the victim
36:23
Speaker 1: has bought into this as well. They want something from
36:25
Speaker 1: the from the from the victimizer, or they need something
36:30
Speaker 1: from the victimizer. And of course, uh, time and time
36:33
Speaker 1: again we've seen this played out where those that are
36:36
Speaker 1: in these kinds of positions, Uh, you know, they just
36:40
Speaker 1: they take these people, these poor people for everything that
36:45
Speaker 1: that they're worth. And we're talking about people, we're talking
36:46
Speaker 1: about children. I need children, let's let's face it. And
36:50
Speaker 1: and as far as I'm concerned, you want to talk
36:51
Speaker 1: about epidemics, I think ground zero, ground zero for a
36:55
Speaker 1: lot of this, uh, this epidemic, like uh manifestations that
37:00
Speaker 1: we've seen is I don't know, I don't know. Let's
37:04
Speaker 1: say it's in the entertainment industry and uh, you know,
37:07
Speaker 1: I'll leave it that. I think that there are other
37:09
Speaker 1: stories in the news. You know what. This woman, one
37:12
Speaker 1: of the many other women that are now alleging Polanski
37:17
Speaker 1: raped her. I'm talking about Renante Langer, who was now
37:20
Speaker 1: a sixty one year old senior citizen, and she says
37:24
Speaker 1: he raped her on two occasions when she was a girl,
37:28
Speaker 1: a minor girl. And she says to the New York Times,
37:33
Speaker 1: that's your source, Marie Napoli, this has had an influence
37:38
Speaker 1: on all my life. I felt ashamed and embarrassed. She
37:44
Speaker 1: said she lived in the shadow of Roman Polanski all
37:47
Speaker 1: his life, but she blamed that more on the media
37:51
Speaker 1: and the aftermath and or the judge than she does.
37:55
Speaker 1: But I'm talking about the woman that has just come forward.
37:58
Speaker 1: Oh I thought you said the man. I'm sorry. Yeah,
38:01
Speaker 1: So let's just hold off before we blame the media
38:03
Speaker 1: and the judge again for Roman Blansky raping a girl
38:07
Speaker 1: in a hot tub after giving her queludes a Champagne
38:10
Speaker 1: when she's thirteen, anally raping her. Okay, before we blame
38:14
Speaker 1: the judge anymore for rejecting a cheap plea, I'm talking
38:17
Speaker 1: about somebody completely different. I'm talking about, as I said,
38:21
Speaker 1: Renate Langer, a sixty one year old woman. Right. Actress
38:28
Speaker 1: Charlotte Lewis says Polanski abused her when she was a
38:32
Speaker 1: teen girl, giving her up and she's listing out the
38:38
Speaker 1: wines he gave her that she'll never forget it. I
38:41
Speaker 1: still can't drink that. Oh my stars is Champagne he
38:44
Speaker 1: gave her, according to her, Champagne as well, she tells
38:48
Speaker 1: the Daily Mail. And he just said, very coldly, quote,
38:53
Speaker 1: if you're not a big enough girl to have sex
38:55
Speaker 1: with me, you're not big enough to do the screen test.
39:00
Speaker 1: Hollywood is giving the wrong message today with pedophiles and
39:07
Speaker 1: there on pedophiles in their effort to bring Polanski home
39:14
Speaker 1: without further punishment. I don't think that they can bring
39:20
Speaker 1: him home with that with further punishment. They've refused to
39:23
Speaker 1: extra extradite him twice. UM and the general consent, not
39:28
Speaker 1: the US. The US has not refused to extradite him. No,
39:33
Speaker 1: but they the US, they're still trying to extradite him.
39:37
Speaker 1: But but the country said he's living in Um. He is.
39:42
Speaker 1: He is really safe there. And there's a lot of
39:46
Speaker 1: talk that if he came back to the United States
39:49
Speaker 1: that he would be freed because of the conduct of
39:53
Speaker 1: the judge, because of him going back on the plea deal.
39:56
Speaker 1: I mean, this is not common thing for a judge
39:58
Speaker 1: to do. This is not expected, especially are you back
40:01
Speaker 1: on the jedge. We'll try and then try, because all
40:07
Speaker 1: this time Polanski and his supporters have successfully painted his
40:13
Speaker 1: attack on thirteen year old Samantha as a one off,
40:18
Speaker 1: never happened again, and he goes and lives like a
40:21
Speaker 1: king in Europe for decades after fleeing the US court system,
40:25
Speaker 1: and he is painted as the victim. Okay, now that
40:30
Speaker 1: these other women are coming forward, that's simply is not true.
40:40
Speaker 1: Go ahead, I can hear you. Go ahead. I have
40:43
Speaker 1: to say, UM, we don't know what the truth of
40:47
Speaker 1: these other women's claims are, right because they haven't been litigated.
40:51
Speaker 1: Renee Langer, the most recent woman that came forward. After
40:56
Speaker 1: forty years, she decides to come forward. Um. She was
41:00
Speaker 1: fifteen at the time of her UM incidents. Um uh,
41:05
Speaker 1: statute statutory rape, and the law in Switzerland is there's
41:12
Speaker 1: no statue of limitations if you're under twelve. So I
41:15
Speaker 1: think that case is a dead end and she's not well.
41:19
Speaker 1: Then my question to you is, why would you, Mury
41:22
Speaker 1: and Appola bring up the fact that because the original
41:26
Speaker 1: victim that we know of in the US got a
41:29
Speaker 1: civil money settlement that now all these women are coming
41:33
Speaker 1: out of the woodwork was the way you phrased it.
41:36
Speaker 1: It's too late. They can't get any money. So that
41:38
Speaker 1: is not a motive here. There's ways to get money,
41:41
Speaker 1: if just to make them go away, for them to
41:45
Speaker 1: be quiet. You know, he wants to be left alone. Um,
41:48
Speaker 1: they're going to do you have any evidence at all
41:52
Speaker 1: that they have been paid any sum of money whatsoever. No, No,
41:56
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that they have been paid. But I'm
41:58
Speaker 1: just saying that there is a motive of there for
42:00
Speaker 1: them to be saying these things happened when they didn't.
42:04
Speaker 1: The thing that I find interesting is that he'd been
42:07
Speaker 1: in a ninety day evaluation and they said that this
42:11
Speaker 1: man was not a sexual predator. This was a one
42:14
Speaker 1: time thing. He showed remorse, Um, and he showed also
42:19
Speaker 1: so much remorse. He went to Europe and did it
42:21
Speaker 1: again and again and again, more inconsistent with what the
42:26
Speaker 1: doctor said. And and for these women to come out
42:29
Speaker 1: so far after the fact, after the um, after Samantha
42:36
Speaker 1: was actually paid five hundred thousand dollars, or after there's
42:39
Speaker 1: been so much notoriety. You mean after her anal rape
42:43
Speaker 1: by a man thirty years older than her, that that thing. Yes,
42:48
Speaker 1: after after the statutory race with Samantha, these other women
42:53
Speaker 1: came forward. So I don't really know what the truth
42:56
Speaker 1: of those are without having a full trial. And I'm
42:59
Speaker 1: not going to say I do know this. Nobody is
43:03
Speaker 1: asking you to side with the alleged rate victims because
43:09
Speaker 1: I'm siding with them. I don't need anybody else to
43:12
Speaker 1: agree with me or disagree with me, because I know
43:15
Speaker 1: this after dealing with literally thousands of victims and perpetrators. Yeah,
43:23
Speaker 1: when you have one, he says, She say, yeah, you
43:27
Speaker 1: have a credibility issue. When you have two, it's a
43:33
Speaker 1: little more difficult to believe the purpose. But when you
43:36
Speaker 1: have three, when you have four and you have corroboration,
43:40
Speaker 1: it's very difficult for me to believe. All these women
43:44
Speaker 1: with nothing to gain at this point, no money, no notoriety,
43:48
Speaker 1: nothing will come out and bear their souls. There's a reason,
43:53
Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morrigan, there is a reason sex assault victims
43:57
Speaker 1: don't come forward because they a lot, it was their fault.
44:01
Speaker 1: They don't want their family to know. There's a million
44:05
Speaker 1: reasons why they never say a word and the rest
44:08
Speaker 1: of their lives. I agree with you, yeah, Joe Scott.
44:13
Speaker 1: I think I think that it there is one seminal
44:17
Speaker 1: reason here that goes forward with with all of this,
44:20
Speaker 1: and it's it's what I alluded to earlier. It's this
44:23
Speaker 1: idea that this these events are so impactful, Nancy, that
44:27
Speaker 1: this many years, this many decades that have passed, these
44:31
Speaker 1: people still live their lives in terror because they were
44:34
Speaker 1: dominated by somebody that holly took advantage of them in
44:39
Speaker 1: the most intimate way, another human being possibly can aside
44:42
Speaker 1: from murder, and has driven them. There's no telling what
44:46
Speaker 1: kind of burden these people are born for their entire
44:49
Speaker 1: lives and how many this break. This begs the question.
44:52
Speaker 1: You know, we're not in a court of law here,
44:54
Speaker 1: but it does back the question how many other victims
44:57
Speaker 1: are suffering away in silence like this because of not
45:01
Speaker 1: just Polansky, but because the system victors. I know this
45:05
Speaker 1: just scot if you look, if you hear about or
45:08
Speaker 1: read this girl's grand jury testimony, I mean the brutal
45:14
Speaker 1: rate of a child. You know, it has to be
45:18
Speaker 1: in Hollywood that that can be airbrushed and fantasized away.
45:22
Speaker 1: And her grand jury testimony, grand jury testimony, she describes
45:27
Speaker 1: Polanski giving her queludes, denying her, begging to quote go home,
45:34
Speaker 1: raping her vaginally and anally. It's enough. I mean, it's
45:37
Speaker 1: just I'm glad the judge renigged because the judge was
45:44
Speaker 1: wrong and digesting what was spoon fed to him as
45:51
Speaker 1: a plea deal. And Polanski has lived like a king
45:55
Speaker 1: ever since. And according to these other women, they were
45:58
Speaker 1: raped as girls too. These are the ones that have
46:01
Speaker 1: come forward. Are there others? I was sexually victimized by
46:07
Speaker 1: Roman Polanski when I was a miner at the age
46:09
Speaker 1: of sixteen and nineteen seventy three. The day after it happened,
46:13
Speaker 1: I did tell one friend that Mr Plansky had done
46:16
Speaker 1: that to me. The reason with this exception that I
46:20
Speaker 1: kept it to myself is that I didn't want my
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Speaker 1: father to do something that might cause him to go
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Speaker 1: to prison for the rest of his life. When Samantha
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Speaker 1: Geimer became the victim of unlawful sexual intercourse by Roman
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Speaker 1: Polansky in nineteen seventy seven, I considered speaking of to
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Speaker 1: support her in the criminal case brought against him. Her
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Speaker 1: case didn't appear to need my support, however, however, so
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Speaker 1: I stayed quiet. Over the years, I've been satisfied that
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Speaker 1: this child molester, Roman Polanski is publicly known for sexually
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Speaker 1: victimizing a thirteen year old grul. Recently, I saw Samantha
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Speaker 1: Geimer on the news appearing to support Mr Plansky and
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Speaker 1: stating that he's done everything he needed to do. This
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Speaker 1: infuriated me. I'm speaking out now so that Samantha and
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Speaker 1: the world will know that she is not the only
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Speaker 1: minor Roman planskey victimize. I'm not over it, and I
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Speaker 1: certainly believe that Roman Plansky should be held accountable for
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Speaker 1: his criminal conduct with Samantha Geimer. He fled the country.
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Speaker 1: Years have past, and he's famous, but that does not
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Speaker 1: excuse his criminal conduct of sexually victimizing minors. Think you,
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Speaker 1: how was she close to Plansky? How did she get
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Speaker 1: into this stury? Well, we're not going to discuss those details,
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Speaker 1: because if Mr Polansky chooses to withdraw his plea and
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Speaker 1: seek a trial at which a jury or the court
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Speaker 1: would disa if he should be convicted of any of
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Speaker 1: the charges on which he was indicted, it is possible
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Speaker 1: under California law for other accusers who allege that they
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Speaker 1: were also sexually victimized by Mr. Prolansky to be called
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Speaker 1: to testify. At this point, I don't know whether Mr.
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Speaker 1: Prolanski will wish to go to trial, but in the
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Speaker 1: same way that under Pennsylvania law it is possible for
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Speaker 1: other they call them prior bad act witnesses in Pennsylvania
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Speaker 1: against Mr. Cosby. Similarly, here in California, we also have
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Speaker 1: a law which would allow other I'll call him prior
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Speaker 1: bad act witnesses to testify, and then, of course his
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Speaker 1: attorney would have a right to cross examine them. And
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Speaker 1: so while she has met with law enforcement, and she
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Speaker 1: has described what she alleges that Mr Polansky did to
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