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S2 E15: Leave it to Grievous · Most Things Kenobi - A Star Wars Podcast

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Hello there, control your insolence and concentrate.
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It's time for Most Things Kenobi.
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Hi everyone, welcome to another episode of Most Things Kenobi, a
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podcast about Obi Wan Kenobi and all things Star Wars.
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I'm your host, Lauren. And I'm your host, Leanne.
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And this week it's leave it to grievous.
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It is sorry an episode all about Grievous.
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It's taking man like people DM Ed me about leave it to grievous
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after our last episode very. Good.
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Well, this whole episode is left.
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To him, it's catching on. Well, I think I don't know if he
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would appreciate it. He definitely wouldn't get the
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joke, obviously, but I don't think he would appreciate it
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either. And that's why we like him.
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Yeah, he's a man or a man I don't.
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You can't really say a man. A being full of rage and.
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His rage is never more applicable than these days,
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right? Like.
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Idiots. I need him just to be like in
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the corner somewhere at all times in my life, just filling
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in the blanks for me, shouting, just snide remarks, you know?
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I feel like there should be an animatronic doll that you can
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buy with a remote control. Yes.
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Hit the button whenever you need Grievous to say something.
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Do you remember the Tickle Me Elmo of the 90s?
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I do, yeah. Tickle me, Grievous, if you just
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tickle his Cyborg stomach, he says.
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Shut up, you idiot. I'm no errand boy.
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I think that would sell well. I think that's a great idea.
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Amongst our fandom, yes. Yes.
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Who needs a Black Series statue when you can have a Tickle Me
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Grievous? Yeah.
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It's way more fun. Way more.
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Anyway, actually he he was, you said, not a man, but he, I think
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he was. I think he was a male form at
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one point and he rose in the ranks to whatever the fuck he is
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when Obi Wan was. Not a human.
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Yeah, he wasn't a human, but he was sentient living creature
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that was not a Cyborg. Yeah, it was crazy.
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Dude. When I was reading about
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Grievous, first of all, the Wikipedia Wikipedia page about
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him is too long to read in one sitting.
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Yeah, it's pretty. It's there are so many chapters.
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Yeah. So many I read up to Clone Wars
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and then it's like, I've seen Clone Wars so at least I know
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that much. But like I knew nothing about
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his history. I feel like I learned a lot
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about Grievous just from what I was reading there, and it was
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really horrific. It's terrible his so he's from
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Kali and his species is Kalish, right and.
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Yes. The thing is, it doesn't sound
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like their species is very friendly in general.
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Yeah, I guess they're known for being not merciful.
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It's like their thing. Yeah, but I wonder if it's a
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case of, you know, how the the sand people are perceived as
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being rather ruthless and horrible and they're generally
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hated amongst the people of Tatooine.
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But really we learned through, I would say Boba, the Book of Boba
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Fett, that they have their own rituals, traditions, loves,
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etcetera like. Community.
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I wonder if this is just. I mean, it would have to be
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what? Hate can't drive you this much,
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can it? Question.
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Kind of reminded me of Vikings in a way, like real historical
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Vikings, because the whole idea is it's a warrior culture.
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They value success in battle and you gain your wealth through
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success in battle and then taking, you know, spoils of war.
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Basically, it's how you were able to make your way.
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And this reminded me of that a lot that Khaleesh culture was
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they were warlords. Basically, yeah.
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And they also would keep treasures from the people that
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they conquered, which kind of explains why Grievous liked to
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collect lightsabers. Very much.
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It was cultural and he, I don't know, there was a specific war,
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right, that he kind of shined during and made a name for
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himself, yes, and became his own warlord.
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Like he was a warlord on Khaleesh before he became
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General Grievous. Well, he adopted the name of
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Grievous, which I did not know. I thought he was given it.
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I didn't know that. Either Yeah, I didn't know that
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either. He chose it himself.
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This is so. Grievous of him, like usually
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titles, nomikers, yes, those are given to you.
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He chose is, yeah. Yeah, like you do something and
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people are like a name sticks, you know?
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But like with him, he was like, oh, I like this one.
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This one's. Good.
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I'm gonna, I'm gonna take this one.
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Oh man, it's so funny. Of all the names he could have
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picked. I mean, it's a good name.
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It's a good name. It's a good name.
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There's alliteration there 'cause it's General Grievous,
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you know, but he was well respected, which I think is
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Duke. You can't compare it to Dooku,
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right? Because Dooku, so Dooku saw
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something in him potential. Of course, you're looking at it
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through the lens of someone who needs to use somebody for their
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own gain, which is the Separatist gain, etcetera.
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If he was respected amongst his people, it's much different than
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how Dooku respected him. It's the same way as like the
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minute Grievous does something wrong, he's thrown out.
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Just like Ventress, essentially. The more I read about this, the
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more when Obi Wan calls him Dooku's errand boy, the more
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true that is and Grievous was just in denial but.
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It's no, it's no surprise to me how defensive he got as well,
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because I've been known as this in my people and I've been known
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as that in my people. And he says this like I was a
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warrior long before blah blah blah.
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But it's like, yeah, I hate to break it to you Grievous.
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You're you are literally just the dog of Dooku.
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Which is how the Sith work. You know, you're basically
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always expendable. And it's naive for anyone to
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believe otherwise. It's somehow they're going to be
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powerful. It's like, yeah, until you're no
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longer necessary, you're a means to an end, always with the Sith,
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which is sad. There was something interesting
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here, though, saying that Grievous's hatred of the Jedi
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made him easily manipulate it because he he was so focused on
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that that all they had to do was offer him the opportunity, not
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even put it in his lap. But just like you might face the
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Jedi, you could kill as many Jedi as you like.
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That was like, enough for him to do whatever they asked.
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Yeah, basically. Easy.
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But do you know, did you read why he hated the Jedi even
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before Duke who came to him? Yeah.
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They intervened in that war. Yes, which I find very
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controversial in a sense because what was the war?
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It was a specific alien species that.
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Was like the praying. Mantis the yam, yes.
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Yeah. Did you see the picture of them?
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They looked like a giant praying mantis.
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I didn't see the picture. No terrifying.
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So they they were known to invade places and strip the
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locals of resources and then take the people as slaves.
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This. Is the gamry.
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Slaves the the. Yes, the praying mantis, OK.
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So grievous. His original name was something
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I can't really pronounce. It's like Kaumi and Josh Shilal.
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Yeah. Where is it?
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It. It's very Middle Eastern
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sounding. Yeah, and like Shilal was his
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yes Sir name, I guess. But they they said that he kind
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of rose in the ranks during this war.
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And then later he actually attacked the Yamri or whatever
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they're called. I hate Star Wars names.
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Like just make real names. You don't have to just put
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consonants and vows together with apostrophes and like, we
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made-up a new name. I really, it's like one of my
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biggest pet peeves. Of ours, because I kind of like
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it sometimes. Do you I?
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Just sometimes it feels like they're trying too hard.
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They. Are that's why I like it.
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It's like I see right through you.
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I get what you're doing. You're trying to make it sound
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different. Get it?
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Unpronounceable. I think it's pronounced the
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Yamry. Yes, so Grievous led his troops
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there and attacked them on their home soil as revenge.
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And then the the Republic gets involved and it's like, well,
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you can't do that. But it was OK for the Yamri to
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attack the Kelis. And.
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Put them into slavery. Like it just frustrates me
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because the Republic is a bunch of fucking hypocrites.
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Well, I feel like it in this in this regard, it's very Empire
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like what what they're doing, or at least what they gamry did.
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And then for the Republic to come in like like 10 minutes too
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late, so to speak. Yeah.
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Very often to defend the gamry who are slavers.
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And yeah, I just, the whole situation was, I mean, it's
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understandable why Grievous would hate the Jedi.
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It makes sense. Also, why is it always focused
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on the Jedi though? Why is it focused on the
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Republic as a whole? Yeah, I don't know, I guess
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maybe the Jedi were sent there to do the Republic's bidding.
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Yeah. They were kind of the don't
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shoot the messenger kind of Yeah, yeah.
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Either way it made a deep Grievous.
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He had a deep hatred of the Jedi and the Republic after that,
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which made him the perfect pawn for Duku.
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Insidious I guess The Republic put like embargoes on his home
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planet and people starved to death.
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Yeah, that's not cool. That's not cool under any
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circumstance. Poor choices at this point from
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the Republic. Poor choices.
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It's crazy too, because Grievous's planet is in the
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Outer Rim, so why did the Republic have jurisdiction
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there? That's a good question too.
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I I don't know. These are political questions we
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have no answers to. They obviously didn't have a
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senator sitting in there for for the planet.
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Yeah. So, you know, they probably
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should have just let it go, but here we are.
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I don't know. Yeah.
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Weird. I love, like, learning all of
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this about Grievous, right? And knowing what such a pain in
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the ass he is throughout the Clone Wars.
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And then when Anakin finally walks in and Revenge of the Sith
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and like delivers his line, you know it's like you met your
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match. Thought he would be taller.
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Yeah, I like that comment. Yeah, the.
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First comment out of this Jedi's mouth is a is a direct strike
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against. I just love it.
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It's this stature, yeah. Plus but all we know about the
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Clone Wars, how they like the Clone Wars series they had, they
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specifically had to keep Anakin from seeing Grievous the entire
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series based on the Revenge of the Sith scene, which I'm glad
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they did. I am too, because it it shows
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that someone's paying attention and they care enough.
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Yeah, to keep it consistent. I think that's great.
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This is the truth, yes. And because of that all we get
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is Grievous and Obi Wan the entire time in clone wars, which
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I absolutely. Love yes, I it's it's fantastic
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because Obi Wan delivers all the lines that really hit home that
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really deliver something to Grievous based on his history.
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If you really look at his history, like the long version.
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OK, I have notes up here, but the long version that you're
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referring to from Wikipedia is there's a lot of battles,
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there's a lot of loyalty, there's a lot of dedication in a
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sense to what they believe in. And then to have Obi Wan come in
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and question all of that. And then and then just like
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second guess it, right? And it make him second guess it
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right in his face. You know, Grievous had to have
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known that Dooku was a piece of shit, right?
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Or. How can I mean?
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I feel like Grievous didn't like anybody.
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It's. True, except except maybe his
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own warriors. You know, he had like a a cadre
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of bodyguards that he traveled around with before Dooku and
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that he he respected, but then everything after that he fucking
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hated. It's it's hilarious that his
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entire army, he's surrounded by droids.
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There's nobody alive except for Dooku, who's.
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Yeah. In his sphere of influence, it's
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like. And he hates droids.
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He absolutely hates them. Honestly, Wikipedia is sometimes
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not super well written. So there was like a few segments
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that I was trying to read. I'm like, I don't understand
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what you're trying to say here, but it sounds like when Duke or
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Duke, when Grievous awoke after his final surgery or whatever to
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become an Android and he realized what he looked like,
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yeah, he was kind of horrified, killed everybody who was
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present. I don't know what that's in
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reference to. But then later he says that he's
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happy, like he made this choice, like this is his choice, and
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he's more powerful than ever to be mostly Android.
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Was it not? Did you also read this?
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In his history he allowed the very beginning cybernetic
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enhancements. It was never supposed to end up
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like it did Duku and and the whole Sith.
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You know that whole background there allowed him to make or
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offered to give him enhancements.
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Yeah, which I was like, is it the precursor to Vader?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was thinking, were they
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testing all of this in hopes that one day they would be using
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on a much better subject, a more powerful subject?
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Yes, I, I feel like yes. And it just ended up having to
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be Anakin Skywalker. I don't think that was City's
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intention. He wanted Anakin to be Anakin.
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Yes, full power, no limitations. Yeah.
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And this, it just happened that he had this technology prepared
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so he was able to create Vader's suit and everything.
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Yeah. As a result.
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But they said that, you know, Anakin as Vader was in constant
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pain. And they said Grievous was also
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in constant pain. I just don't understand how you
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couldn't be. It's not meant to be like, I
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don't know. So the only things that were, I
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guess flesh about Grievous after the final when he crashed or
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whatever, his, his, his ship or something.
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That's what led to this, the big enhancement, the big final
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product. Dooku arranged for he sabotage
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Grievous's ship. Grievous had a horrible crash
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and died basically. And Duku said like we can save
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you but we have to like change everything.
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So he basically tricked Grievous into the full transformation and
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then told Grievous that the Jedi sabotaged his ship.
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But really, it was Duku who did it.
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See, and that's what forced him into the final round of becoming
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a basically a full Android. So the only things that were
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flesh were parts of his face, his eyes, his brain.
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They were able to keep, I mean, after that.
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Parts of it, but they. Kept the part of his brain that
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kept the anger. Well, they said that actually
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the transformation made his aggression even stronger and
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like. I would guess so.
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It sounded like over time his mind even weakened a bit because
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it's it's more like the robot part was taking over more and
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more and he only had like room for very small emotions.
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Like it was only like rage is what was left.
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So really Obi Wan trying to reason or throw anything at the
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dart board there of Grievous is just was in folly because.
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Is not going to work. It's not going to work.
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I have. I copied over all the changes
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that Grievous went through, Yeah.
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Let's hear it and. It is.
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It's crazy. After accepting Dooku's
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invitation, Grievous sacrificed practically all of his physical
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body. His nerve endings, Yeah.
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And then they increased his strength and speed.
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But like the the practical part of it is that Grievous's brain
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was altered without his knowledge in order to make him
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smarter and faster. His memory center was also
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tinkered with to suppress memories of his past, to
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concentrate more, and to increase his aggression.
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Wow. His remaining like the like you
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said, the remaining parts of his body that were him were
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basically only his eyes, portions of his brain, his bone
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marrow, spinal cord, God, his lungs and his liver.
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Because remember, everyone shot him in the heart.
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So it also his his cold heart, quote UN quote.
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And then portions of his digestive system were required
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to maintain his organic elements.
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But he didn't like eat really. Yeah, interesting.
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And he was encased in a geranium alloy body for the rest of his
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life. That's fucking nuts.
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It's nice he. Also had an ultrasonic
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vocabulator that apparently was pretty close to his original
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voice, but it was not his, like, physical vocal box, you know,
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vocal cords. His spinal cord carried signals
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to and from his robotic limbs as well as his remaining organs.
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Millions of pinpoint electrodes were inserted into his brain
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from the lighting of his helmet to monitor brain activity and
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improve his nerve signal timings.
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So it's just like kind of horrific, like when you get down
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into it. I mean.
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And now that originally in the The Clone Wars miniseries, they
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said his cough was from Mace Windu, like squeezing his lungs
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with the Force. But now in Canon, they're saying
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that, like, these cybernetic things basically weakened his
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lungs and like, irritated his organs, and that's what gave him
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a cough. When did Mace do that?
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It's like the battle of Hypouri. I think it's one of the like
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it's in the micro series, not in like the 3D animation.
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OK, but that's not considered Canon anymore, I don't think.
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Because I could totally see Mace doing this.
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Squeeze the one functioning bodily thing you have.
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That's ruthless. That's ruthless.
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But it's smart, I guess against Grievous.
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Interesting. But we all know the cough is
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because of. Didn't George Lucas have a cough
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at the time? He was trying to do all this
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when he was? Yes, I think swimming and they
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like it's his actual he had like pneumonia or something and they
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they recorded his actual. Cough.
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It's just sad. Gross.
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And like, I love it. It's a wet, lungy cough.
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As someone who had bronchitis like chronic bronchitis in her
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childhood, I feel accepted. You're being represented in
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Grievous. Thanks Grievous.
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Leave it to Grievous. Oh man, we forgot to whistle the
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the intro. I can't though.
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I can't do it. I can't whistle.
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I can whistle but not to a tune like.
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No, it's better than I sometimes when I go to whistle, like
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nothing comes out. I'm like, how do you not end up
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whistling? Really don't know.
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My mom is one of the people who whistles through her teeth,
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which that I don't understand. Like she does that with her.
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I'm trying to do it, you guys can't.
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See, on purpose she can do it. Oh.
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Yeah, there's a there's someone in my workplace who can whistle
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through his teeth too. I don't get that but.
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You got to ask them if they can like, work out an old prospector
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impersonation where they whistle through their teeth when they
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talk. Yeah, I'll do that right after
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we record. So of the cyborgs, we have
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Grievous Mall and then Vader. Yes, like the top three I would
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say in. Dream team.
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Yeah, the dream this. Is cybernetic dream team.
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Oh my God, they would not get along at all.
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They would just hate each other. At least so I find it
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interesting because were any of this is a this is a question
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that may or may not have an answer.
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I'm just posing it because I'm thinking about it.
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So Grievous had things the sensors in his brain and they
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were adjusting it whoever they is who I'm guessing Dooku and
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and the top the top tier. Who knows?
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Yeah, like whoever runs their servers.
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Was it remote adjustments? I find it that interesting
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because was that also planned for the future Vader of whoever
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the future Vader was going to be?
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I mean if we go with that theory right, were they also going to
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try and pre program or adjust programming because.
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Probably. I mean they, there's a part in
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this research where I learned about the what are they?
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They're like manga droids or something like that.
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I can't find their actual name here, but you know the droids
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that have the staff and they wear a Cape.
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Oh, yeah, yes, yeah. They're actually based on Dooku
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or dooku on Grievous's people. Like, that's why they wear the
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head wrap and the Cape. It's based on his traditional
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cultural dress. Yeah, I know that he hated
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working with droids. He was.
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Apparently before he worked with Dooku, he was Grievous was
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working for the Banking Clan. Yeah.
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And was supposed to lead their droids.
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I'm not surprised by that either.
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He hated them so much that he kind of helped them develop this
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prototype, which became this, you know, super killing machine
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Droid. But he programmed them.
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He's the one who taught them how to fight.
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Interesting. And that's what caught Sidious
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attention actually more than anything else.
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Is like his initiative there. Yeah.
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But if he can program his training into the droids,
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imagine what else is possible. And like what they programmed
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into Grievous? Yeah.
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And, you know, part of his lightsaber combat and, like,
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training with Dooku makes me wonder, was any of that
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programmed into him? Did he just learn it because
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he's that good of a warrior? He was, in my opinion, he's not
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that good at lightsaber combat. He just is deadly because he
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can. Yeah.
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He can hold a lot of them. And he's got brute force.
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Yeah, but it's not, it's it's exactly what Obi Wan said.
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It's no heart, no spirit, right. So it's predictable.
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Yeah, to answer your question. Right.
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Well, yeah, it says here that he was.
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The reconstructed Grievous became a skilled lightsaber
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duelist. Skilled in what way?
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As a Droid, we have Vader, who was a Jedi once.
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He has the limitations of a Cyborg or cybernetic body of in
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some ways he had a lot more flesh.
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Left. Right.
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But his suit also limited him from, you know, the full arm up.
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He had to swing it from shoulder length and down because he
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couldn't bring it up. Which I always found that
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fascinating that somehow Vader was able to adapt to that and
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still be just as fucking lethal. You know, take away 25% of your
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range of motion and you're still just as good.
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Like that's So I do wonder if he was just that good compared to
24:31
the different versions of Grievous And and even with full
24:34
range of motion his cybernetics kept him worse off than a pre
24:39
trained used to be Jedi who also just runs on malice now.
24:43
Ivan Also the Jedi have the Force.
24:45
So, Anakin. I'm completely I forgot about
24:49
that think. About how it would help you
24:52
anticipate your opponent. Grievous doesn't have that at
24:56
all, and it was actually one of the things Grievous hated about
24:59
the Jedi. But there were cowards because
25:01
they used the Force to enhance their fighting ability.
25:05
And he was powerful with the lightsaber.
25:07
Without the Force, it's like, yeah, but anyone can learn to
25:11
wield it. But the lightsabers we know are,
25:14
like, part of the Jedi's bodies. You know, the Force makes it,
25:18
like, an extension of their body.
25:20
So as good as Grievous could be, he would never be better than
25:24
the most powerful Jedi. No, because sheer brute isn't
25:27
going to make you win anything when you have when you're
25:32
connected to an actual force lowercase F, you know you have
25:37
something going through you into the lightsaber out to your
25:40
opponent. Just because you're bigger and
25:42
stronger and you have enhancements will not mean that
25:45
you're going to automatically win any dual.
25:48
And honestly, we see that with Grievous because he's sloppy.
25:51
He just throws and hacks. And it's like a Jedi when they
25:54
are disconnected from the force, when they let their emotions
25:56
take over. We see it with, well, Anakin,
25:59
but like Obi Wan all the time when he's disconnected from his
26:02
control through the Force then he becomes sloppy and erratic.
26:05
Yeah, yeah, and that's just grievous all the.
26:09
Time, and that's just Grievous at his baseline.
26:12
Yeah, it's true. I think that's a really good
26:16
point. And looking at his duels with
26:18
Obi Wan is really fun. There's actually nine of them in
26:21
Canon. Two of them are from comic books
26:23
that I have not read, so I don't really know about those as well.
26:27
But all of the other ones except for Revenge of the Sith, are all
26:31
in the Clone Wars. And there are moments where Obi
26:33
Wan's the winner at moments where Grievous is the winner or
26:38
will just escape, you know, escape.
26:40
This depends. Yeah.
26:41
And it's a lot of times it's not necessarily that Grievous was
26:47
more skilled if he comes out as the victor, so to speak.
26:51
Obviously neither of them ever fully succeeded because they
26:54
would have killed one or the other or taken the other one
26:57
into custody permanently or whatever.
27:00
And that doesn't happen until Revenge of the Sith.
27:02
But again, as everyone now argues, the way Obi Wan kills
27:06
him, it's like so anticlimactic. It really is.
27:10
Now that you've added all these eight other duels between them
27:14
and that's how he kills them. And knowing that he has all
27:18
these brain enhancements. Yeah, and knowing how proud
27:21
Grievous was of wanting to defeat a Jedi using a
27:26
lightsaber, like what the fuck, George?
27:31
Obi Wan shoots him with a blaster and something I thought
27:35
was really crazy and now makes sense, they said that Grievous's
27:39
heart was really his heart and apparently his species organs
27:43
were really flammable. Flammable.
27:46
Yeah, like why when Obi Wan shot him with a blaster it burst into
27:50
flames and like exploded. OK.
27:53
Crazy. Yeah, I'm sure that was written
27:56
in after the fact. She explained that but.
27:58
I'm down with that because that's that's different, but
28:02
what kind of I'm at a loss. Made-up sulfur.
28:07
It's like, I don't know what body would make itself that way.
28:11
If that's a threat you'd have to live, keep out of reach, you
28:17
know, like, well, maybe. If you have skin it's OK, it
28:20
protects you from that, but I. Guess I don't know that that
28:24
doesn't seem like a smart thing for a body.
28:27
An organic body I. Think evolution would be smarter
28:31
than that, but I. Mean you can't cook food without
28:34
fire, right? Some heat source, maybe.
28:37
Not a flame. Yeah, I guess maybe in.
28:39
Star Wars It's different than what?
28:41
I'm thinking, that's what I'm thinking.
28:43
I'm doing too much science over here.
28:45
It's it's fucking made-up. I got to remind myself this.
28:52
Well I I don't know, I really love all the and the duels
28:55
between Obi Wan and Grievous. There's some of the best in the
28:58
entire. Series.
28:59
If I had to pick my favorite it'd be so difficult.
29:02
I really do love the one in ARC Troopers where they're on
29:06
Camino. Yes, yes, yes.
29:11
That one's always enjoyable, but then also the grievous intrigue
29:16
is also one of my favorites cuz it's not just it's like a good
29:20
long dual, but there's also like great banter during this is
29:24
really. The reason I appreciate Grievous
29:26
so much is considering everything we've just talked
29:29
about and knowing that Dooku is a piece of shit underneath
29:33
Palpatine who is a greater piece of shit, that Grievous never
29:37
lost his snark and was not afraid to like grumble in return
29:43
of whatever do like he was. Obviously he respected Dooku
29:48
enough to do his bidding, but he also didn't.
29:51
He gave 0 fucks when it came down to talking back to Dooku in
29:55
a way. So yeah, Dooku and them knew
29:58
what they were getting and they didn't mind.
30:01
Even if he did like talk back or sass or grumble or any of the
30:07
things we know Grievous about. I do appreciate the fact that he
30:11
still, despite all of the enhancements, they didn't bother
30:18
to fix that. They didn't bother to change
30:20
that. He just kept that part of him.
30:22
If he was an arrogant being prior to all this, he continued
30:28
to be that. Good for him, you know.
30:31
Onward and upwards, grievous, But never lose.
30:34
Never lose yourself. Never lose the parts of you that
30:36
make you you. Well, it's funny you say this
30:42
because it kind of reminds me of Layer of Grievous.
30:46
Yeah. Which is like the first time I
30:47
saw that creep the hell out of me.
30:49
It's pretty, but he. Has statues of himself yes there
30:53
that like like represent different stages of his life and
31:00
I guess part of it is a bit of grief too because he's lost part
31:04
of that but like there's all these different statues making
31:08
Grievous look super terrifying. First of all, he's holding like
31:12
some severed head in one of them and then the others, he's
31:15
started to change into cybernetics as he goes on.
31:18
And it's like, it's this temple to himself where he can go and
31:22
get rebuilt if he's damaged bad enough.
31:24
But he's got his pet animal there.
31:27
He's got his little surgical Droid and all these statues
31:30
commemorating himself. It's it's just like the biggest
31:36
ego castle you've ever seen. I love it.
31:43
I appreciate that about him. I think it's horrible.
31:46
I think he's a piece of shit, but fan club party of 1, you
31:51
know, like, but if we take a more human humane route, if they
31:58
erased parts of his memories that he didn't remember, you
32:02
know, his past like you said, then maybe it's a construct to
32:06
help him never forget he was a great, you know, blah blah blah.
32:11
But really, I think it's just ego.
32:15
He's an egomaniac, and it takes one to know one with Sidious, so
32:19
he knows exactly how to manipulate him and get him to do
32:24
everything he wants, and then he's completely expendable.
32:28
Once Duhu is killed, Grievous naturally is the next in line
32:33
and Sidious wastes no time in disclosing his location to the
32:37
Jedi and having him attacked and basically killed and just that's
32:42
it. And, and the thing that's
32:44
interesting is without Clone Wars, Grievous was in Star Wars
32:48
for like 5 minutes. I know, I take that back because
32:51
holy fuck that that fight took like 45 minutes.
32:56
I mean, but really, you know what I mean.
32:58
Yeah. Percentage wise, yes.
33:01
Yeah. What happened to the statues
33:03
after he died, I wonder? I hope City has kept them
33:07
because they were amazing in their gruesomeness.
33:10
Yes, I hope they were preserved in some fashion.
33:15
Maybe Thrawn took them as art. He took at least one.
33:20
I'm thinking he took at least one.
33:23
Yeah, that's a good point. That's something Thrawn would be
33:25
into, even though it's he can't use it but.
33:29
It makes me laugh too. My Grievous is lair is like he's
33:33
got all this power and he could probably choose whatever he
33:35
wants and he wants a cave in the side of the a hole in the wall
33:40
where he's got no windows, just like how Vader chooses to live
33:44
in an active volcano. What's wrong with these people?
33:49
Duke was the only one with like style and class and like I'm
33:52
gonna have a mansion on a beautiful mountain.
33:54
It's. True, he does have a, he has a
33:56
nice crib. But like, I think it's great
33:59
that Grievous doesn't want any windows.
34:01
Why bother? Yeah, it's lost on him totally.
34:06
Unless there's like a Jedi on the other side, he's not going
34:08
to look out a window. There's no way Grievous is ever
34:11
going to look out a window and think, wow, that's a beautiful
34:14
sunrise. It's just not happening.
34:17
It's it's true. Fuck the sunrise and this
34:21
planet. Where's the where's what we
34:23
want? I love Grievous in his own
34:30
demented way. He's a very entertaining
34:33
character and a bit tragic, you know, I feel sorry for him.
34:36
You know, all of these people, all of these characters who end
34:41
up underneath Palpatine in some fashion through Dooku or other,
34:47
they're all tragic. It's all tragic.
34:50
They're misled, they're misguided.
34:52
They're they're brainwashed in a sense.
34:54
They're played for what they are.
34:57
They're played against each other in some ways.
34:59
I mean, the only living example we have that that succeeded in
35:03
getting out was venturous, you know?
35:07
She was lucky she was like lower on the tiers because it made it
35:10
possible for her to escape I think.
35:12
But she still kept that that tinge of like a hard shell that
35:17
seems to come with being underneath Dooku and, and
35:20
through these various levels, through Palpatine.
35:23
You know, underneath Palpatine. It's just.
35:25
It's just a large scale abusive relationship is what.
35:29
It is. Yeah, I mean, they they take
35:31
their weaknesses or their pain or their past suffering and they
35:36
manipulate it into making them feel strong.
35:40
But if they if like if Sidious felt the slightest hint that
35:44
someone was going a little too far, getting a little too
35:47
strong, he would use those weaknesses to bring them back
35:49
down again. It's gross.
35:51
This is. It's so depressing but very
35:57
fascinating at the same time. It is it's it's, it's
36:00
interesting to to see how these characters came up and how did
36:04
they get here, How did they get to this point?
36:07
And Grievous pretty much volunteered for most of it, so.
36:11
Yeah, or it's like my big fat Greek wedding where the the wife
36:16
is like where the neck that turns the head, the man is the
36:18
head of the house, but the woman is the neck that turns the head.
36:21
I feel like Grievous thinks he made the decision himself, but
36:25
Dooku insidious like were the neck that turned the head,
36:28
that's it, and just helped him along to make the decision.
36:31
Like, he was angry already, but yeah, they appealed to his
36:35
hatred, and he was more than willing to be Dooku's errand boy
36:39
if it meant he could kill Jedi and have power.
36:42
And like, power over what? Droids?
36:44
Was that? Satisfying, that's what.
36:46
Obi Wan asked him what do you have to show for all your power,
36:49
what have you to gain? And he said a future, a future
36:52
where there are no Jedi. He kind of predicted the future
36:55
there, but. I imagine that the Grievous had
36:57
survived and there are no Jedi. What would he do next?
37:00
What next is the? Question.
37:02
He would hate some other level of being because yeah, that's
37:05
just the way of it. That's the deep root or the
37:08
problem, yeah. A person like that can never
37:10
really be satisfied so. Fits right in with the Sidious
37:15
and company. Yeah, idiots.
37:18
That's. The perfect ending.
37:22
That's the perfect way to end that one.
37:32
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37:36
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37:39
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