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Saint Harison Gets Vulnerable About Ghosted & Bad | Delulu with Ryan Lu podcast #210 · Delulu with Ryan Lu

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Oh my God, this is like the first 5 minutes of the podcast
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and it's like trauma dump. You said you were going to bed
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and now you're on TikTok. I'm like, yeah, I do that with
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everybody. He literally made you the
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villain. We say goodnight so we can
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squirrel. Yeah, look how cute that is.
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Happy birthday. And it's in pink.
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What flavour? Is it allegedly the best one?
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Hi, Delulu's, and welcome back to Delulu.
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We are welcoming our very first guest from across the pond.
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Your first international guest. Yeah, you are.
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Oh, my God, you should be honored.
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But he is known for his vulnerable lyrics, storytelling
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and incredible, soulful voice and music.
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Please welcome St. Harrison.
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Hi. Thank you so much for being
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here. Thank you for having me.
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And on your birthday? I know.
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Thank you, I know you are such a hustler.
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Thank you for giving me something to do.
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Well, I want to get into everything St.
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I know that you're from the UK, but you actually just recently
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told me that you've been living in LA.
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So where is Saint from? Saint is from Southampton OK, in
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which is it's like South UK Titanic OK.
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Yeah. That's like, why?
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It's like, I don't know. That's what I tell people.
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Yeah. No about Southampton.
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Yeah, that's like, where are the Titanics from?
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Yeah, that's where it went from. That's where the Parbez were
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there. Yeah.
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Oh shit, I know. Yeah, it was traumatizing.
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Oh my God, are you OK? Yeah, I'm fine.
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OK, I made it. OK, Yeah, you're good.
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You're good. You're here.
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Yeah, but yeah, South England, not London.
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But I do say London to most Americans, to be honest.
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Oh, interesting. So why did you not give me
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London? 'Cause like, you know, OK,
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there's the cameras. I have to be honest.
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OK, All right, only honesty here.
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Yeah, that is the that's the morale that we're gonna have for
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this episode. Honesty.
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Just like your music. Oh, yeah.
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OK, so you're in London, Not London.
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You're in Southampton now. I'm lying.
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I'm so sorry you're in Southampton.
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And then what was your experience like there?
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How did you end up like wanting to come down to LA?
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I always like wanted to move to Lai always wanted to move to
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America. Same.
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I think I like grew up just watching like that.
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So Raven, me too, stuff like that.
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And I just was like, I want to move here and go to school.
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Yeah. And I, yeah, I just my
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experience in Southampton was just very boring.
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Really. Yeah, I just always wanted more
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like I, I me too. I remember I wanted to move to
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London right first, and I did that you.
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Always wanted to do music. Yeah, well, yes, I wanted to do
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musical theatre first, actually. Really.
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Yeah, I know. It's so interesting.
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That is very interesting. Yeah.
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And then I did do musical theatre for a minute in school
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and then I was just like, I think I did like a year or
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nearly two years like in university for it.
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And then I was kind of ready to not do that anymore.
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Interesting, what were you like studying in the musical theatre?
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Yeah. OK, but you weren't into it?
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No. When did you like start writing
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for yourself and like deciding like you wanted to make your own
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music? Oh, probably when I was like 13.
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Oh. Interesting, that's super young.
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Yeah, yeah. Were you like, always good at
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it? I just feel like, 'cause that's
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so young that I would be like, because I started writing when I
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was, I want to say 16, but my shit was so fucking bad.
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It was like so corny and Disney. Yeah, no.
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So was mine. I remember my first song was
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called like, Stand Tall. Yeah.
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And it was like, I'm here right now, but I'm not falling down.
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Wait, that's good. Thanks.
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That was really good. Yeah, I guess it's fine, huh?
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Yeah. I was like, wait, that was super
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good. OK.
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And then you always wanted to like, you wanted to become an
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artist. So then you start pursuing it
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outside of doing the musical theater thing.
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Like, what was like kind of the switch that made you think like,
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OK, I'm going to do my own artistry.
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I remember like Oh my God this is like the first 5 minutes of
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the podcast and it's like trauma dump.
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Yeah, give it to us. I was in a safe house with my
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mom and we when we were like we first arrived and went into
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reception chasing pavements by Adele came on the radio and that
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was when I was like 12. So I'd always loved like to
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sing, but I think that was like my first kind of experience
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hearing Adele and being like, oh, wow, this just like related
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to us in a way that we didn't, I didn't expect.
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And I think it really like helped us in that moment.
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So that was definitely like the first time I was like, oh, I
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think I want to write. And then musical theatre was I
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was writing the whole time. I just, I think I didn't think
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at the time I could be an artist.
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I felt like that felt like unattainable.
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I feel like everyone feels that way, yeah.
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Honestly, yeah, it really did feel quite unattainable.
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And and I think like musical theatre, I was like, I could
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sing, I was good at acting. So I was like, this is, you
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know, a little bit easier and the government, you feel like
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that's more. Realistic for you yeah, OK, I
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understand that. I feel like a lot of artists in
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general, like, you have to, like, overcome that doubt, you
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know what I mean? Especially if it's something
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that you've been, like, wanting, like, all your life, right?
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Yeah. You kind of just have to like.
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Yeah, yeah. And I guess I, I did, I bought I
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then I didn't do that OK either. I don't think I really overcame
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it until. You're doing it now.
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I am doing it now, but it was kind of like it was very
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unexpected even when I did get into like artistry and
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songwriting. I mean, you're doing so well,
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too. Thank you.
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Yeah. And I feel like everything that
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you're doing, and especially if I want to get so deep into your
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lyric because I like. I love your writing.
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Thanks. As a writer, I love your
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writing. But I think, I think when it
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comes to like, you're in general, like the way that you
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let yourself be very vulnerable, I feel like that's something
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that I'm trying to like be a little bit more of myself too,
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just in general. But like, I was listening to
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your music and I was like, this is so crazy.
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Like it's very journalist, you know what I mean?
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And like raw and I love that. Yeah, thanks.
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I think it's that's easier to me actually.
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Yeah, than doing the the opposite thing.
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I feel like for me when I'm writing, like I write for
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myself, but then when I finish, I'm like, oh fuck, other people
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are going to see this now and like.
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I know you think about your exes.
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I'm thinking about a lot of. Things you're like, oh shit, oh.
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Shit, there are a lot of things that come into my mind when I'm
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working, but yeah, definitely. I think when I'm making music,
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it's like something I want to like.
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I, I do it for me essentially. But then I also like.
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I also want it for like everything else too.
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Yeah. You know, I think it's, I think
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that's a good way to kind of go about it though, do it for you
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and then sort of try and forget, yeah, that other people are
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going to hear it. Yeah, yeah, yes, you're right.
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Wait, do you feel like when you're writing about like a
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person or an ex, like do you get nervous that they're going to
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hear it or how do you feel like? The reception's going to be, Oh
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no, I don't really care. Really.
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Why is that? Because I just, I don't know,
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they're just not important enough right to care about
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interesting anymore. I want them to hear it, yeah.
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For me, yeah, I guess locally I kind of do too.
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You're right, yeah. Yeah, I feel like that's a, it's
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a part of like how I write. It's like I'm addressing you,
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you know, like I'm writing it for you.
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I also feel like I'm so honest to the point where I will be
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like I and I was a dickhead here, so I'm like, I'm not I'm
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allowed. Do you know what I mean?
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Yeah, I love self-awareness and lyric.
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Yeah, so I feel like I'm allowed to be like, so are you.
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Yeah, you know, absolutely. Especially when it's reflective
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like that. I think like with your new song
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Bad, I'm going to get into the lyric of it, but like when you
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open your verse talking about I wrote it down, I was trying to
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write it down myself. So you're playing victim.
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Made me out to be the villain. That's so good.
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Yeah, I really love that. Thank you.
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Where was that like line coming from?
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Oh, I I got blindsided, actually.
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And what's? That like.
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Not fun, not fun. And it was actually like this
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Bad was written at a camp with Nova Wave.
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Oh, right, that's right. That's so much fun.
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That's so amazing. And this literally happened like
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2 weeks before this camp and he kind of came to me and was like,
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you don't care about me, you just care about Saint Harrison
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and like you don't have time because one night, Oh my God,
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wait, give it. Because one night I like
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literally like said I was going to bed and then I was online on
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TikTok, like fucking sue me, you know what I mean?
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I was winding down. Yeah, I was decompressing.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Anyway. That's so dramatic.
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I know. And that kind of turned into
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like you said you were going to bed and now you're on TikTok.
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I'm like, yeah, I do that with everybody.
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Yeah, that's completely fair. I feel like everyone does that.
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He literally made you the villain.
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We say good night so we can squirrel.
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Yeah, totally. Anyway, so that's kind of where
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that came from. And I think there was a lot of
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other things that was said that I was just like, I feel like
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you're making me to be a bad person because you just want out
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and like that's fine, but don't make me feel like I'm terrible.
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Oh, and I love that. OK, now I'm understanding the
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song a little bit more too, because you're saying you should
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have been bad. Right.
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So then after that I was like, Oh well, I should have just done
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everything. You know that you claim I was so
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terrible. Yes, everything that they said
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exactly. Yeah, I get that.
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Oh my God, I love. That I love.
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Should have left your ass when I still have the chance.
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Yeah, exactly. That's such a great song.
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The song is coming out on January 14th, which is next
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week, so we're super excited to stream it.
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I think like out of everything that I've listened from you,
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that is hands down my favorite. You like it.
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It's just like really cutting, you know?
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I, I like, love lyric like that too.
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Yeah, I think I needed to to do something like that.
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I feel like I'm always like heartbroken myself.
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So it was nice to like, give it back a little bit.
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Yes. No, seriously, yeah, I like, I
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like lyric. That's like very, I, I guess
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cutting. I like cutting lyrics, like, I
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like things that are like very like pointed.
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I like things that are like very, like this is how you made
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me feel. This is how I'm feeling now, so.
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Yeah, me too. That's why I resonate a lot with
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Bad. I also really love Ghosted.
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Thank you. So Ghosted is incredible too.
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The music video that was so. Crazy and intense.
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I'm like. Wait, whose idea was that?
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I was I Honestly, I'm going to be so real of you.
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I couldn't even finish it. I got so squeaky.
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Were you scared? Yes.
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Yeah, I love that because. I didn't understand it first
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because I was like, oh, you have a tattoo on your forehead
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because you had the incision. Yeah.
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And then I was like, kept going. And I was like, oh, this is
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getting like, very body horror. So I was like.
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I love. That I'm going to let it be, but
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yeah, yeah. At first I was like, oh, Moody.
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What a Moody music video. And then I was like, wait, this
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is. Getting scary.
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This is kind of freaky. Yeah, a little bit, yeah.
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I, I, I'd always wanted to do something that was like, I love
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like American Horror Story and I love Ryan Murphy and I love,
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like you. Gotta build your own world in it
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too. Yeah, it was so cool.
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And I think like ghosted just like allowed that sort of like
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visual to come to life. Yeah.
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And it was just something I, I just like, I've always been so
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like attracted to that aesthetic and, and those kind of visuals.
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And I was just like, fuck it, why not?
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And I want to, you know, continue to be in scary things.
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Wait, is ghosted and bad? Are they both on this upcoming
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project? Yeah.
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OK. Because I feel like the world
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that you're building with that, it feels so like dark.
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I know we've lost a friend who's very introspective and Moody,
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but I feel like this is going in a different direction where it's
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like, you know, like a little bit like a Slytherin era, a
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little villain arc. I think it I think it's gonna
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yeah, there is some of that in there it.
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Feels that way. I mean I haven't heard the rest
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yet and would love to hear it but.
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If you look, I'm going to play with you after this.
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I'm so funny. Excited.
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Thank you. On your birthday, yeah.
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Thank you, thank you, Thank you. Happy birthday, Ryan.
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OH. Thank you so much.
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I appreciate it. Yeah, I'm a Sagittarius, so.
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Wait, what actually star sign are you?
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I'm a Virgo, OH. That's interesting.
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Why would you have guessed that? I guess if I had after this hour
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or so probably. OK, OK, OK.
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Wait, do we like Virgos? As friends.
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What's that mean? Just as friends, I like Virgos.
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You want to date a. Virgo I have before.
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Oh, wait. Actually, I actually used to
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live with two Virgo girls and I really loved them.
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So I think it's just Virgo men. OK, But just because you're too,
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I don't. Are you too organized?
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You know? I'm very organized.
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Yeah, and it's too much. Do you like?
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Tauruses. I lived with Tauruses.
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I don't know if I know many tourists, but it's just Virgos
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and just like I'm not like I'm not organized enough for that
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really. I don't that's and I can't be.
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That is something that bothers me so much when people are like
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not organized or they're like all over the place.
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So they're very like type B. Yeah, it's exactly that's what I
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mean. I bother you.
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That's that's no, they don't bother me.
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I would, though. That's the real, that's that's
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what I'm saying is like the only reason I can't with Virgo men is
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because they don't like me because I'm too like I'm too
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like 1:00 means 3:00. I don't know.
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Like I don't know I will. You're shaking right now.
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I would hate you so, yeah. No I know this is what I'm
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saying. Like I buy like air pods I lose
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them one week after I don't know where anything is.
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I'm I'm a mess. That is literally him.
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He's. I'm literally a mess.
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He's a mess. Yeah, this is Nathan Sands is
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off camera. He's such like, it's literally
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that what you said about one being three.
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Yeah, like. No, seriously, I will literally
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I will show you my purchase history on Apple.
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It's I must have bought so many Airpods.
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Oh shit, yeah. Oh my gosh.
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OK, we need to get you an air tag.
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Yeah, for the air. I've lost that.
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How do you lose that? I don't know, it just like stops
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working, doesn't it? After a minute.
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Yeah, they do. I think I put one in my suitcase
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and no. No, no, don't enable each other.
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They really do stop working. Okay, yeah, it's just like I
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can't. Find anything in my life, well
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my sanity but like other than that.
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Do you never have those moments where you're like, Oh my God,
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that jacket that I bought like 6 months ago, where is that I
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have? No idea.
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I know exactly where it is. Yeah.
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No idea. No, I like very rarely lose
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things. I'm like, very meticulous about
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everything. Yeah, so you would be mad at me
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if I lost something? Really.
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Is it your thing or my thing? Probably yours.
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Oh, I'll be. Probably.
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I would like I'm the type of person to be like, oh, can I
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borrow those sunglasses for this thing?
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And then I can't find them so I have to buy new ones.
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Right, right, right, right. I have lost many sunglasses.
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Me me personally have not lost but have loomed out sunglasses
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that haven't lost. Exactly.
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OK. Yeah, fair.
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OK. We shouldn't date.
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That that's why I say as that friends.
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OK, yeah, as homies. As homies.
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Got it. OK, we'll stay homies.
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OK, that's fine. We love that.
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We love that. Well, let's talk about Homies I.
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Love that song, thank you. So is this about like a
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relationship that you were in and you were like, you started
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as friends and then you were like, we should have just stayed
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friends? This was actually the, like
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crazy timing sort of song because this is the first song
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that I did. This is the only song that I've
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ever did that I didn't write. And it was written by what?
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Yeah, It was written by an amazing songwriter called Blush.
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And it was very early on into this process of me trying to
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figure out what Lost a Friend was and what the first project
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looked like. And she sent it through and it
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was. I was literally going through
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the same situation and I was kind of like surprised because I
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love writing songs so much. So I was like, you know, I
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didn't. I kind of was like, Oh no, I
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don't want to take any songs from because I just like.
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I'm actually so surprised to hear that, but you didn't write.
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That, but I think when a song comes along that is just like so
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incredible and for me I was like, Oh my, this just hits so
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much like I cried when I first. Listened to a powerful song?
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And then again, it was like, you know, I don't think it's ever a
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done deal when stuff like that happens.
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I think you record it, I recorded it, I sang it, and then
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you sit with it and then you just see if it makes sense.
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But I think it's like I wanted this career of an artist so bad
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growing up so that I I don't think I will ever be close
16:50
minded to anything. So do you like, you consider
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yourself more like as an artist and like as a writer?
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Because I know writing is very prominent for you.
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I think, I think where I'm at now, yeah, I would say that I am
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like a writer and an artist good, for sure.
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But I think it's so hard because I like, I used to love writing
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songs when I was a teenager. OK.
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But I'd write like one a year or two a year.
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Currently or as? A team no not anymore oh OK OK
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OK when I when I was a when I was a teen a.
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Little thought. Yeah, OK.
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So when I got into this industry and I started writing, I'd never
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written on that scale before. I'd never done like four
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sessions a week or, you know, like and I and I was, I was came
17:35
to LA and I was doing that. So it was a massive, like a
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massive learning process. Like actually like.
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There's got to be. Yeah, like being in rooms with
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people and songwriters and just like learning from them, because
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I'd never collaborated with anyone.
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Before. That, you know, and it really
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taught me so, so, so much. And I think that whole
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experience I'm so grateful for because a lot of songs, I mean,
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most of the songs that are coming out now, I wrote by
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myself. I don't think I ever could have
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done that for Project 1. Interesting.
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Yeah. Yeah, I'm working on my own
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project right now and I feel like I've written everything
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myself for most of my life and like I'm trying to collaborate
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more now and I feel like it's like pulling tea for me, like.
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Really. Well, just like when it when
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other people have ideas and I'm like I, my first instincts,
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like, no, it wasn't my idea, so I don't want it.
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But then I'm like, OK, we'll see.
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And then it ends up being better.
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So I mean, I'd like good sessions, yeah.
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With like Co writers and stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Like songs you like? Love, love these songs.
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Yeah, Absolutely. Super, super love.
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I don't even know if I would ever take, like, I feel like I
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would never take a pitch song. I feel like I would have to
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write it. Yeah.
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And even if I write it, I'd have to write it with the intention
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of writing it for me, I think. Yeah.
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So I don't know. I'm.
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I'm experimenting with what that looks like and what that feels
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like though. It's interesting and I think
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like it is about finding the right people and the right
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collaborators and just like going, you know, not being too
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hard on yourself or it's. Really hard finding the right
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people to work with genuinely. I feel like people it's also
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scary to be vulnerable with like Lyric and then finding people
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like to share that with and people who can understand it and
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also people who know your voice. And yeah, I think that could be
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really like, it's like dating. Yeah, it's exactly like dating.
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Exactly like dating. Yeah, yeah, it's hard.
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It's hard. But I think when you find those
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people that you're just like, sometimes it's in like the 1st
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10 minutes and sometimes it's like the third session or the
19:35
4th time you work with them, you're like, no, actually they,
19:38
they, they get it. They're like starting to get it,
19:40
you know, because they have to, they have to get understand a
19:43
lot, you know, they have to really know you.
19:46
And like, yes, the people I work with, I've worked with, you
19:49
know, 4 or so years now and is. It like the same people.
19:54
Yeah, a lot of the same people in Project 2 and there's not
19:58
many of them, but you know, like Boy Matthews, for example, he he
20:03
wrote Ego Talking with me and like he's on like a few of these
20:07
new songs that are coming out, but he just like gets me now,
20:10
you know what I mean? It takes like. 20 minutes to
20:13
write a song together because he just knows, like he knows my
20:16
voice. He knows what I want to say.
20:17
Yeah. He knows if I'm like, Oh my God,
20:19
this fucking situation happened. And he knows like, yeah, how to,
20:23
you know, And I think it's that's so like.
20:25
That's really nice to hear, honestly.
20:26
It's really nice to have. I love the craft of like, making
20:28
music in general and like writing.
20:30
So it's just like, that's yeah, that's nice to hear.
20:33
Yeah. I was like, this is the first
20:35
time I've ever like have been collaborating.
20:37
I was in this music program. We had to make a song like every
20:39
week and it was just like kind of intense.
20:42
But yeah. Yeah.
20:43
It's. Draining too.
20:44
It's draining. Yeah, for sure You have.
20:46
To dig deep. Yeah, you do.
20:48
And then you have to like, think about like, what do I want to
20:49
say this time? Like what I want to write about,
20:51
you know? But a lot of like the music I'm
20:53
putting out has come from that, so.
20:56
I'm excited to hear it. Oh my.
20:57
God, I'm gonna play for you. I.
20:58
Can't wait. We can have a drink, have a
21:00
little cocktail. Buck OK, let's do it.
21:03
Any excuse to drink? How?
21:05
Yeah. Oh my God.
21:06
Literally I was like, do you wanna?
21:07
Do you wanna drink? It's your birthday.
21:08
And like, maybe after I was like, OK, I I like that you talk
21:14
about drinking in your music, though.
21:16
I love lyric about. I love a drink.
21:18
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I love writing about
21:21
drinking. I just feel like it's so human.
21:23
I know. Me too.
21:25
Yes, it's OK. It's, you know, OK, It's OK.
21:28
Yeah, I don't love that when you mentioning you're putting in
21:31
songs. I also feel like it builds like
21:32
the scene of like, what's going on, how are you feeling?
21:34
You know what I mean? Which I just I really love.
21:37
So I know a lot of like your inspirations and icons that
21:41
because you want to be an icon, you just want to be an artist.
21:43
Oh. Of course.
21:44
I so got that. I love that I feel like you are
21:46
an icon. Thank you.
21:47
Yeah, that's very sweet. I mean, you're kind of like
21:49
slaying really hard. I think everything about you is
21:52
like so deeply interesting. And I think your music is like
21:55
something that people connect so deeply to.
21:57
So with your song, why didn't you call?
22:01
You talked about it before where you're like, you felt like it
22:03
was a silly thing to write about.
22:04
Maybe people wouldn't necessarily.
22:05
And then people ended up really relating.
22:07
But like, for me, I also spiral really hard off of like
22:11
Nothingness. Yeah, like, I get it.
22:13
And I really love that song too. Yeah, me too.
22:16
I spiral very hard. Yeah, a lot of time.
22:19
It's definitely something I'm trying not to do.
22:22
What do you do when you do like end up there?
22:24
I just I start writing, I start musing.
22:26
I honestly like watch Disney movies or like watch friends or
22:30
something. Oh, you want to get your mind
22:32
off of? It.
22:32
No, I can't even like I can write about it like the next day
22:37
in the moment when I'm spiraling.
22:39
Are you joking? I can't, no.
22:41
I will whip my phone out and I'll start.
22:43
No, I FaceTime my best friend and I'm like, Oh my God, yeah.
22:46
You're probably, you're probably a lot healthier than me,
22:48
honestly. No, I'm terrible.
22:50
No, I'm terrible. I really I really.
22:53
Why do you think that? Because I will.
22:55
I really like think the most like untrue things when I'm in
22:59
that like spiral. Statement you got me too.
23:01
Like the why didn't you cool song like it that really like
23:04
scratches the surface of like someone not calling me back and
23:07
I'm being like, Oh my God, they died.
23:09
Yeah. Literally, that's where.
23:10
You went yeah, No, I'm, yeah. And I in the moment when I'm
23:15
just, like, spiraling like that and I can't get out of my head
23:18
and the walls are closing in and I'm about to die myself.
23:22
I can't pick up a pen. Interesting.
23:24
Yeah, Yeah. I feel like when I'm in those
23:25
moments, that's what I have to do.
23:27
No, that's good. That's good that you have an
23:29
outlet though, because that's like you can channel, you can
23:32
channel it. That's what I need to do.
23:34
I mean, you're channeling it just like the next day.
23:36
Yeah. And it's coming out so
23:38
incredible. Wait for this next project.
23:40
You, you wrote all of this, but you said it's majority, majority
23:43
of it by yourself. Yeah, majority of it by myself.
23:46
And then there's a couple songs that I wrote, Nova Wave I wrote
23:50
Bad with a couple I wrote with Boy Matthews.
23:54
I don't want to leave anyone out, but I have a one of those
24:00
brains that does that. Yeah, the Type E thing, yeah,
24:04
it's understandable. So with this next project, with
24:07
your first project, like what would you say is different going
24:09
into making project #2 versus lost a friend?
24:13
Oh wow. A lot, a lot in terms of growth
24:18
and comfortability with me. And I, I feel like I just
24:24
trusted myself so much more. I love that there was so many
24:28
times when I was doing like I lost a friend and I didn't know
24:33
sort of I didn't trust that what I was able to give was good.
24:39
And I remember like when when the ego, the colors thing of ego
24:46
came out, the colour and the day before, I think we got like the
24:50
final video to like look over and check and everything.
24:52
And I remember like messaging my team and being like, oh God, I
24:56
think we need to pull it. I sound awful.
24:58
Like this is this is terrible. I don't sound good.
25:01
I'm not doing the Rif properly. I'm not.
25:03
And I think a lot of that has subsided now.
25:08
OK, you have more confidence in self as an artist and your voice
25:11
coming into the next project. Yeah.
25:13
Yeah. And I kind of have proven to
25:15
myself that I can, you know, I can do it and I can write songs
25:19
that mean something to me and kind of mean stuff to other
25:25
people, too. So yeah, just a lot more like
25:27
confidence and like trust. I think that doubt was so
25:31
natural for every artist though. Like I think that's where I'm
25:35
that to where I'm like when I'm working my thing, I'm like, am I
25:38
even a good writer? This is hard, isn't?
25:40
It it's hard, Yeah, definitely. I always say that it's so hard
25:44
when you're the artist and you're the person writing it.
25:46
Because we hear songs often. I'll be like, God, this song is
25:51
amazing. I wish I wrote that.
25:52
Oh my God. Yeah.
25:53
But we hear songs as like a final product, right?
25:57
Yes. Exactly.
25:58
But when we're doing it, we're like, we're making it from
26:00
scratch. We're like doing the melodies,
26:02
we're doing the lyrics, we're listening to the production
26:05
change and evolve. So I I think like we'll never
26:08
hear our own stuff as finished, finished.
26:11
We'll never hear like you're. Like one of our songs so well,
26:13
like it's exactly that. That's.
26:14
How I feel because you'll just never hear it for the first time
26:17
it. Doesn't even exist yet.
26:18
You know what I mean? Like as it's being built out,
26:20
it's like, OK, where am I imagining this going?
26:22
And like, etcetera. And like, what do I want to say?
26:23
What do I want to change? I'm like a huge tweaker when it
26:26
goes to like my writing. Oh, are you?
26:28
Yes, I'll come back all the time.
26:29
I'll be like, let me change this one word.
26:30
Let me really do this a little bit differently.
26:32
Yes. Oh, you're a Virgo?
26:33
Yeah. It makes so much sense.
26:34
Yeah. At some point I think I just
26:36
need to be like, you know, I just.
26:38
Leave it alone. I'm the opposite.
26:41
Yeah. I'm like, if you don't like
26:42
Lyric, fuck off. I don't care.
26:44
Oh my God. It's staying, right?
26:46
I just can't. I haven't got time.
26:47
I kind of like that. I wish I was more like that I
26:49
think. I think there's something.
26:51
When I write for other people, I'll write like.
26:53
When I write for other people, I'm like, OK there.
26:55
And then if they don't like, I'm like OK, I'll go back.
26:58
But otherwise I'm like, I like that.
27:00
Do you find that writing for other people is easier?
27:03
Or do you? I think it's easier to write for
27:06
you. It's way easier to write for me
27:07
because I think when I'm writing for me, it's like a stream of
27:09
consciousness and I know exactly what I want to say and I like
27:11
being very specific. So I like to pinpoint very
27:14
specific things. And I can only do that in my
27:16
head. Whereas like I'm writing for
27:18
other people. It's like I feel like I have to
27:20
be a little bit more ambiguous to cover like the bases for
27:22
them. And also like when I write for
27:23
other people, I look at it where I'm like, this has to be
27:25
relatable and universal. So like if they put it out,
27:28
people could relate to it. Whereas for me, when I write,
27:30
it's like, I honestly don't think anyone could relate.
27:33
And I don't even want them to relate because I think I'm
27:35
writing it for me from my experience.
27:37
But I'm working with an artist right now and we're like, we're
27:40
really, really close friends. And I feel like when I write for
27:42
him, I can access the same way where I write for myself because
27:45
I know his story really well and I know, like, what he wants to
27:48
say really well. Yeah.
27:49
Well, having those doubts as an artist, like, again, completely
27:51
normal. But you have, like, so much
27:54
support from other artists like I have here.
27:56
You have cosines from Justin Bieber, Sizza, Jasmine Sullivan,
28:02
HER, her Elton John. That's so crazy.
28:07
How do you feel about that? Overwhelmed.
28:10
Elton John especially. I mean all of them, obviously.
28:13
I mean, you're on Elton John's podcast.
28:14
Yes, yeah. And he also just, like,
28:17
Facetimes me to check in. That's crazy.
28:19
I know. And I just.
28:21
I lose my mind every time. And he's just a legend.
28:24
Yeah. An icon.
28:25
And he was just like, he was in my house.
28:28
Not actually in my house, but like, right.
28:30
You know, when I was growing up, his voice, his music.
28:33
Oh, OK. I was like.
28:35
I know I was like, I was like, why do you look so confused?
28:37
Well, I was like, oh, like you lived.
28:39
There, before he was, he lived in my house.
28:42
That's. Awesome.
28:43
Yeah, like you know, my my family and wait.
28:45
So like, this is when you idolize, and now it's like,
28:47
yeah. That's crazy.
28:49
He's amazing and you should work together.
28:51
I know I really want to do it. Last time, last time he called
28:55
me, I said I I have something to talk to you about because you
28:58
know, that's how like the Brits do it.
28:59
You know what I mean? We we kind of be around the Bush
29:01
a little bit. Totally.
29:02
So I was like, I've got something to tell you.
29:06
And he was like, wow, what is it?
29:07
And I was like, I'll talk to you about it later.
29:09
Oh, you're so annoying I. Know.
29:11
I know. Oh, he's gonna.
29:13
Yeah, I would. Hate you.
29:14
I know. I feel like just tell me, right?
29:15
If I can now, actually, I'm so guilty of that.
29:18
I do that all the time too. Like I'm bad at it, actually.
29:21
Yeah. Yeah.
29:21
So you know what? We're fine.
29:23
It's it's equal. Yeah.
29:24
You need to work with him. That'd be so sick.
29:26
It'd be amazing. I would really love to and.
29:28
What did Justin Bieber say about you?
29:29
Justin Oh, Justin really was just massive support right from
29:36
the beginning. He I think when I, I teased why
29:40
didn't you call? Which was like the first time I
29:41
ever put out and he shared it. And then after the album, the
29:46
album, after the project came out, I did my first show in LA
29:51
and he came to the show and he's just always been supportive and
29:56
just amazing. And I think he does like, he
29:59
does this where he just like really backs and cheerleads for
30:04
like new artists that he really likes.
30:07
And I think that's just very sick.
30:09
Yeah, especially for a stature and where he is in his career,
30:11
Like I love that because I'm really into like being
30:14
supportive of other artists and just people in general, like,
30:16
you know, yeah. I agree there is room for
30:19
everyone. Definitely.
30:20
I think it is so important to just like, you know, just
30:24
support. Everyone knows how hard it is,
30:26
and I think it's yeah, it's really nice when you see people
30:29
see artists do it. Yeah, absolutely.
30:31
I think it's inspiring to, like to watch other artists and their
30:34
art, especially for me, it's with other people's music if
30:37
it's like vastly different than what I'm working on.
30:39
And like, I find that inspiring. It's like, I love that everyone
30:41
has their like sound and like their own project that they're
30:44
working on and like the things that they're doing.
30:46
Who do you like right now? Who you listening to?
30:49
Well, because I'm in like the thick of trying to make my own
30:51
project right now. I think I've been heavily
30:53
leaning into my inspirations for it, which are like Bonnie McKee,
30:56
Bonnie Mckee's albums, a huge one on the mood board.
30:59
Carly Rae Jepsen, been listening to her a lot.
31:00
Selena Gomez who? Else so just pop bangers.
31:05
Kinda hopefully. Fingers crossed you love that.
31:09
Something along those lines. I've been listening to Ella
31:11
Henderson. Oh yeah.
31:12
Yeah, recently new Ella Henderson.
31:14
Kinda ish. I think her last album, like the
31:17
Things I Didn't say, that's on the mood board right now.
31:21
Tovlo has been on there Foxes. Like I don't know, I'm bouncing.
31:25
I've been going on like 4 hour drives every night to Santa
31:28
Monica. I just tried to Santa Monica.
31:30
Why? To listen to music because I'm
31:32
trying to find like I'm trying to figure out my Sonic identity
31:35
and what I want to do and like what I, I know what I want to
31:37
say, but I'm like, what is it? You're doing the research.
31:39
Hella research and I'm like listening to my favorite albums,
31:42
like top to bottom and like thinking, hey, what made this a
31:44
cohesive album? What made this a strong album?
31:46
Why do I like this album? You know, I love projects like
31:48
that. My friend Nathan, he has his
31:52
project, it's also really great. So I've been listening to that
31:56
too, and just like trying to study, listening to the other
32:01
artists I write with, which is Miko, his music.
32:03
So just trying to find inspiration over the place.
32:06
I've been loving Lily Kincaid's cinematic album, super
32:09
incredible. What are your favorite albums?
32:11
Whatever ever. Oh God, that's hard.
32:14
Is it hard? It's hard because it's hard.
32:17
Right now, it's not that hard, but it's hard right now because
32:20
I've been, I've been making an effort, kind of like you, to
32:24
listen to new albums, stuff that I haven't heard.
32:27
So I'm very in Lily Allen's album right now.
32:32
I haven't. Heard that one.
32:33
Yet it's fucking amazing. I've always been Lily Allen fan,
32:36
but. I love Lily Allen.
32:37
This album is so good. I've been listening to Odile.
32:44
I've been listening to you know who's album I really like?
32:48
Addie Rae Addison. Yeah, it's so good.
32:51
I really loved that album. What's your favorite on that
32:53
album? Times like these, it's what's
32:58
that song called? Sounds like these.
32:59
Yeah, that one. I'm bad with titles because I
33:03
just put the songs on in the car, really.
33:06
Oh my God, we're so opposite. I need to know everything about
33:08
everything. Like I need to know the title,
33:09
who produced it, who wrote it, where'd it come from?
33:12
Like I love details. I've been listening to a lot of
33:14
my own project too, like. Yeah, I do that.
33:16
Yeah, yeah. I think when I put things out,
33:18
I'll probably be like my top artist on Spotify for the raft,
33:21
you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
33:22
That was my top podcast, Yeah. That's that's healthy.
33:26
OK, good. I mean, I'm just like, I'm just
33:28
trying to figure it out and like this is the thing I'm the most
33:30
excited about right now is just the music.
33:31
So I'm so excited to play for you.
33:34
Are you excited for me? I'm.
33:35
Excited to hear yours, I want to play it for you.
33:37
Too. I know I'm excited to hear
33:38
yours. OK, we're, we're going to get
33:40
into it this next project. So this is project #2 You're not
33:44
defining this as an album though.
33:45
It's not You're gonna. It's not your debut album.
33:47
No. When are we imagining a debut?
33:53
Sometime soon. Soon.
33:56
Yeah, ish soon ish. Like anywhere between like 1 to
34:00
like 6 years. Right.
34:02
That's a, that's a realistic timeline.
34:04
I don't know. Yeah, that's fair.
34:06
Yeah. I think with the project you're
34:07
putting out, I'm in this day and age like 20252026.
34:11
I really like when our research is dropping like EPS, you know
34:15
what I mean? Yeah, me too.
34:17
Yeah. I think I just enjoy a a project
34:22
that's like thought through. Like this is like going back to
34:25
like Lily Allen's album. Like totally.
34:27
I listen. I've I've had a time.
34:29
In nine days. It really.
34:31
I think she sung that. No way.
34:32
Yeah, wow. Isn't that?
34:34
Crazy. I need to do a nine day album.
34:36
Now that that is crazy. I could never do that.
34:40
But it's like a story. Yeah.
34:41
And it's just like, and I just love that she's like, she's been
34:44
gone for so long and then she she went through some shit and,
34:46
and she like she wrote I. Fucking just love that.
34:49
Yes, I really like that. I enjoy it, yeah.
34:52
And just like the boner, really. I haven't heard it yet but like
34:54
I've seen seen a lot of press around it.
34:56
Yeah, you know, I haven't heard the Madeleine song.
34:58
No, like who the fuck is Madeleine that in?
35:00
It no choose us on SNLI need to. Go oh so good.
35:04
Really. Yeah.
35:05
OK. I'm a huge fan.
35:06
I don't know why I haven't. You would love Lily.
35:08
You like, you would love her old albums, too.
35:11
Yeah, I love because she's just like, such a pop Princess.
35:13
Yes. The fear.
35:14
Is like No Fear is so good, so good.
35:17
I love that one. I love her.
35:18
She's this album 2014. That one's really good.
35:21
That one felt more pop leaning. I know she hates it but like.
35:24
Yeah, I don't, I don't love it, but I do like it's not the Fear
35:27
album and the one before the first one.
35:30
It's not you, it's me, it's not me, it's you.
35:32
The album, Sure. Wait, the one where she's on a
35:35
motorbike? All right, still.
35:36
That one, her debut. Which one is not me?
35:38
Oh, it's not me. Is is the one the fear is on.
35:41
That's where the fear is on. That one's so good.
35:43
That's a really good. One.
35:44
That one is so good. She's an incredible writer.
35:46
Yeah, she is. Yeah.
35:47
I like to have teller story. She's a real storyteller.
35:50
Yeah, that's what I look for. An artist is like storytelling.
35:52
Yeah. And I love that.
35:53
Yeah. I think a lot of artists they
35:57
like, I mean, I don't see a lot of artists.
35:59
Artists I like are people where I'm like, I listen deeply to the
36:02
lyric. And if the lyric is something
36:04
that's like something that makes sense to me, doesn't even have
36:06
to be something I relate to, But if it's something that I'm like,
36:08
oh, this is so fucking good. Like I like what you're saying.
36:10
That's when I really like an artist.
36:12
So I want to piggyback. I want to jump back to BAD
36:15
because I really do love that song.
36:17
This is the second single off of the project then.
36:19
Yeah. OK, So what made you decided to
36:22
release Ghosted and Bad as the first offerings from this
36:24
project? Ghosted I felt had kind of, it
36:30
was just, it felt like a natural starting point.
36:32
I remember like making the project and kind of going
36:36
through, I don't know, seven different kind of orders and
36:42
putting songs in, taking songs out.
36:45
And I had a like a album in February 24 that I I ended up
36:56
not using a lot of this from pretty much a lot of stuff, but
37:02
Ghosted was the song. OK, that survived.
37:05
That remained OK, I think. I think I might be the only one
37:08
that did. No, no, bad.
37:11
Bad was from that time too. Oh, this was probably gonna be a
37:14
really good album. Ghosted and bad were good, yeah.
37:17
Oh yeah, OK. They are really good.
37:19
Yeah, We have a lot of similar lyric sensibilities, actually.
37:22
Oh yeah. Yeah, I love Ghosted.
37:25
I wrote it down somewhere. I can't find it.
37:27
I don't want to fuck up the lyrics, but it's if you can't
37:32
love me, you should have ghosted me.
37:34
Yeah, if it's so hard just loving me, it's so.
37:36
Hard, just loving. Me.
37:37
I'd much rather you ghosted me. Yeah, I love that.
37:39
That's really genius. Thank you.
37:41
So where'd? That come from.
37:42
It was just very rare. I was just having this kind of
37:45
situation. There was a lot of like excuses
37:48
and, you know, just a lot of bull.
37:51
And I was kind of like, just just stop texting me, you know
37:55
what I mean? Do.
37:55
You feel like it's easier? Do you ghost people?
37:58
Yeah, I can. Oh, what's?
38:01
The it's the laughing over here. No, wait, I'm just.
38:04
Laughing. I I can.
38:07
You air people. Yeah, is that bad?
38:12
No, I love ghosting people. That's toxic.
38:16
Is it toxic? I think so.
38:19
I'll defend my position on this. So I like to OK, so The thing is
38:23
is like I feel like I'm a nice person so sometimes I just don't
38:28
want to upset someone. So I feel like if I just go
38:30
missing, you have no idea why. And maybe that's like less
38:34
upsetting than me being like, I don't like you anymore.
38:37
Wouldn't it be arguably more upsetting to not have an
38:40
explanation? I mean, you know, I feel like we
38:43
could debate back and forth for a long time.
38:44
I'm a huge fan of Ghost. On this one.
38:46
Just do it, fuck. It but I think so sometimes and
38:49
I think like I would, I'm saying I would rather that than you'd
38:53
be like, oh, oh, I really wanted to drive up this weekend, but I
38:57
can't because I mean and is do you know what I mean?
39:00
Like an excuse? Yeah, like what about the truth?
39:04
Oh yeah, yeah. I mean, I guess it's
39:07
situational. Yeah.
39:09
Yeah. Yeah, I don't know.
39:11
Sometimes I'm like just. Leave me alone, do.
39:14
I like being ghosted. No, I can't start.
39:16
My anxiety is through the roof. I hate it.
39:18
Oh, right, it's. I think that's why I can ghost
39:20
as well. It's because I'm too anxious to
39:22
be like, you know, you know how people are like, Oh yeah.
39:26
Like I went on a date and then I was like I texted him and saying
39:29
like oh like really enjoyed myself but like just didn't feel
39:32
a spark how I've. Never experienced.
39:35
That do you always feel a spark? Oh I mean I've never had someone
39:39
tell me that, but do always feel a spark.
39:40
I never feel a spark. Yeah, I know.
39:42
I like it's rare you. Don't like people?
39:43
Yeah, no, it's rare. Yeah.
39:47
Yeah. So I don't know.
39:49
I just kind of feel like I that's I don't, I don't love
39:53
that. I don't like doing that like
39:55
that. That's going to upset someone.
39:57
OK, that's fair. Yeah.
39:59
Do you think you're like a like a people pleaser?
40:00
I think I'm just like trying to make it up with an excuse to be
40:03
honest. That's fair reflective.
40:05
And my people pleaser, I like hosting like parties.
40:11
Oh my God, like dinner parties? Yeah, those are so fun.
40:14
So yeah, I guess so. OK.
40:15
Yeah, in a way, yeah. Yeah, yeah, I like people easy.
40:18
Yeah, Yeah, I just like hosting. But I won't like.
40:22
I won't like people please, but I do like people pleasing.
40:27
OK, that's fair. So then with these two songs are
40:30
you're rolling out like more singles up until the release of
40:34
this next project? Yes.
40:36
What do you know what your next one is you haven't said already.
40:40
I'm a Sagittarius, I don't know anything.
40:42
Yeah, you're like Rochelle I'm. Like Rochelle?
40:44
What's the third? Single What's happening next?
40:47
Where are we going? I'm opposite with my team.
40:49
I'm like, OK guys, this is what it is.
40:51
I do know, I do know all the singles and the I think the next
40:56
one is very what is the next one?
41:00
It's one of two. Oh, it's that one.
41:02
Oh, I love the next. One.
41:04
Yeah, this one's good. I love the one after Bad though.
41:07
Right? Right.
41:08
Like love. Yeah, yeah.
41:10
Very, very obsessed with it. So what's like, how do you, how
41:14
do you decide? I'm literally, this is just for
41:16
me now, like because I'm about to roll out my own things.
41:18
Like how are you deciding what you want to put out to be
41:19
singles? It's really a, it's really a
41:22
team effort of like, you know, like me and, and my team
41:27
deciding what are our favorite songs like deciding kind of like
41:31
what is a good introduction for this?
41:34
Like for this. Story.
41:35
Intention behind that. Yeah, I think it's a lot of
41:38
intention. Everything is very intentional.
41:40
And like, I think because there's so many different like
41:43
genres that I, I like to kind of go in between, I think it's,
41:46
that's also like a big part of being like, OK, you know, I
41:49
won't make sense right now. People, people loved ego.
41:53
So, you know, this like these more R&B records that I have,
41:57
like, I really want to, you know, give, give them something
42:00
like that. Because.
42:01
And I think there's just a lot of like, it's a lot of it's
42:04
story, yeah. Being like what makes sense
42:07
after this and timeline. And then some of it is also just
42:10
like having these songs that I, I really want people to have
42:13
sooner than the project comes out.
42:15
So I'm like, you know. Yeah, I like that.
42:18
I think for me, like thinking about like what I want to put
42:21
out and stuff. Like it shifts so much.
42:23
Like I had this song that I really wanted to release
42:27
actually this month, but I don't know, there's some issue of
42:31
mixing for like 3 months, so it's not the worst.
42:34
Yes, it's so bad. And then we pivoted to another
42:37
song. But then I decided to rewrite
42:39
the verses. Yeah.
42:42
Yeah. For some reason I felt like the
42:44
original verses weren't good enough so.
42:45
Do you feel like yeah. Do you feel like that was true
42:48
though, or you feel like you just got bored of it?
42:51
I personally think the original verses were fine, but I guess in
42:54
my head I thought that it wasn't enough of a story being told.
42:58
Yeah. So I was like, and then I guess
43:01
I also let other people influence me into thinking, OK,
43:03
maybe we should like rewrite it or something, you know, You know
43:06
what I mean? Do you like it more now?
43:08
It's the same to me personally, but honestly I don't know.
43:12
It's, it's just like it's something that I've wanted all
43:15
my life, so it's something precious about, yeah.
43:17
Yeah, yeah. So sometimes it takes a long
43:20
time. I know that's like the worst
43:22
party thing, yeah. Yeah, I'm impatient too.
43:26
I'm kind of impatient. I'm gonna be putting out a
43:28
little bunch of singles, hopefully.
43:30
I'm aiming to do it every few weeks and I'm hoping that by the
43:33
time I'm done, I'll make it to June by the time I like, release
43:36
my own project, you know, exciting.
43:38
Yeah, thanks. Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna play
43:41
everything for you. I know, I can't wait.
43:43
I'm so like all the albums you'd name too.
43:46
I'm like so interested. No, yeah, I'm so excited to.
43:49
Hear your project. He's so excited.
43:50
Oh. That's so cute.
43:52
OK, if you're not watching the Spotify exclusive video version
43:59
of the show, we're playing with Little Delulu Bears St.
44:03
This has been so incredible talking to you and you've been
44:05
so introspective and vulnerable. And I, I feel like I've just
44:08
been getting advice from you because like, I love everything
44:11
you've been saying, but I'm going to ask you for a little
44:13
bit more advice. We're doing a segment here.
44:15
This is WWADGD. What would a delulu girl do?
44:19
So some of the delulu besties have submitted their questions,
44:22
concerns, situations and they want our delulu advice on it.
44:25
OK, Do you think you're good at giving advice?
44:27
Oh, great. Really, really good.
44:29
OK. Oh, I'm like the person like
44:31
people call. Really.
44:33
Yeah, OK. I'm gonna start calling you.
44:34
Yeah. OK, call me, I'm great at
44:37
advice. Actually.
44:38
Really. Yes, I have a.
44:39
Situation I want advice on so bad.
44:41
Right. I have like a like a nine out of
44:43
10 success rate for advice. Oh my God.
44:45
OK then I'm going to give you the situation because like I
44:47
literally asked like 4 people and they were like.
44:49
Oh, OK. Oh, OK, cool.
44:52
OK, so this is not mine. This is not mine.
44:55
This is from. This is yours, isn't it?
44:57
It's not. This is.
44:57
These are mine. None of these are.
44:59
Mine. I don't believe me.
45:00
None of these are. Mine.
45:04
I had some tea on this but I can't talk about it.
45:07
So. This is from Anonymous bestie,
45:08
not myself, but it really is not me.
45:11
By the way, from the studio audience, my ex keeps popping
45:14
back up into my life. Is that a sign or should I move
45:16
on? I think it's a sign.
45:21
Why? Because I think everything
45:24
happens for a reason, OK, And I think depending on how you feel
45:28
about this man or this woman, right, or this non binary person
45:33
TI think, I think if something is keeps coming up, I think
45:39
yeah, you got to you got to you got to take it, OK, You got to
45:43
take the opportunity. Because I feel like X has a very
45:46
negi totes like it's not negative.
45:51
Sometimes totes like right, we have XS and it's OK, totally.
45:56
That doesn't mean that you can't ever, like, rekindle.
46:00
OK, that's a really interesting take.
46:01
Yeah, but it depends how you feel about this person, OK?
46:04
That's good, I like that. I don't want to give my advice
46:08
on it. Then I like yours.
46:09
Why? What were you going to say?
46:10
I'll. Say move on, but anyways.
46:12
He said fuck him. I notoriously cannot move on
46:16
from anything, so I'm not even in the right position.
46:20
I have a very out of sight out of mind type of like personality
46:24
me. Too.
46:25
Yeah, yes, if it's not in front of me.
46:27
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, totally.
46:30
That's yes, I I agree. OK, here's another one from
46:33
another anonymous bestie. OK, I'm trying to get over
46:35
someone, but we're still friends and they work with me.
46:38
What should I do? Quit.
46:41
I mean, what's the job? I don't know, it's Zendos.
46:44
Quit T new job. Really.
46:48
Yeah. They should quit.
46:50
Who? The person that they're trying
46:53
to get. Over.
46:53
Say that one again. Let me hear it one more time.
46:56
I'm trying to get over someone. I have to imagine this is me.
46:59
I have to imagine this is me. Yeah.
47:01
Yeah. It depends where you work.
47:03
I can't answer that one. OK, I can't say quit if you're
47:07
earning like 125 KA year. Do you know what I mean?
47:10
Oh, totally. Yeah.
47:11
So I don't know. I can't.
47:13
I'm sorry. OK, I'm going to sit out of
47:15
that. Collaborator who?
47:17
Now we're we're spinning the situation on You, their
47:19
collaborator. You work with them.
47:21
Oh, like a songwriter? Sure.
47:23
Well, I just don't write songs with them.
47:25
Oh, but they're really good at it.
47:26
That's OK. So are so many other people.
47:28
Oh, OK. That's interesting.
47:30
Yeah, OK, OK. What about you?
47:31
What I do, Yeah. Oh wait, they write with me.
47:37
No, they work here at the podcast.
47:39
They like, like, they just like work in the building.
47:42
Oh, OK, name a person. I'll tell you what I'll do.
47:49
Anyways, so this is our last. Has that happened?
47:53
No. Oh, OK.
47:54
I was like, is something going on?
47:56
No, I have a very healthy team. Oh, great.
47:59
Yes, yes, yes. OK, so last one from another
48:03
anonymous bestie, my boyfriend's friend.
48:04
Why is everyone anonymous? They have shame in their
48:07
questions. Oh OK, great.
48:09
Own it. Be proud.
48:11
Own it exactly OK. My boyfriend's family hates me.
48:15
I'm not sure what to do about it.
48:18
Period, I guess. That's it.
48:21
Sorry, I was thinking of my answer.
48:24
What? Oh, that guys, Which camera are
48:28
we looking at this one? There needs to be more context.
48:32
Like I have questions. I think what needs to happen
48:35
actually is not to come in and change your show, but I think
48:38
you should have a phone call segment.
48:40
Oh, because I have so many questions.
48:43
We had one called Daodulu now, but we scrapped it.
48:46
Oh shit, yeah it was. The logistics were too
48:47
complicated. Right.
48:49
Yeah, yeah, OK. And the show was running too
48:51
long. It's a cute idea though.
48:54
OK, in this case, I would say, oh God, I don't know.
48:59
For me, I've genuine. I've actually been in a
49:01
situation before where somebody's parents weren't fond
49:04
of me, OK. And I don't it doesn't, I don't
49:08
think it works. I think family is very big for
49:10
me actually. And I think like.
49:12
Really, I wouldn't care, I think.
49:14
Really. But do you not envision like the
49:16
person you're with forever, like going to like Christmas with
49:19
them, like seeing their family, like oh, like getting their mom
49:22
like a deal card holder? Like, do you not see that?
49:26
Like happening. No, I don't see that.
49:29
I don't care. I think I mean for me I'm tunnel
49:31
vision. So it's like this person or
49:33
nothing. But what about the wedding?
49:34
Like it's so awkward then. Oh yeah, how awkward for them.
49:38
I'm still gonna get married. Yeah, period.
49:40
Have an issue with it. I've actually not been in this
49:42
situation, but I don't think I would care.
49:44
OK. Yeah, I think it depends how
49:46
important that is to you, right? That's my final.
49:49
But you're like family oriented. Yeah.
49:50
Oh, for sure. OK, Yeah, I'm a massive, massive
49:53
family person. Yeah.
49:55
Can we do a quick rapid fire? Yeah.
49:58
OK, answer as quickly as you can.
49:59
Don't get things twice. Now I'm nervous.
50:02
OK, go ahead. OK.
50:03
Ready. Yeah.
50:04
Have you been to Amsterdam? No.
50:06
OK. If you were to go to Amsterdam,
50:08
what would happen in Amsterdam? Wade.
50:10
Got it. OK.
50:12
What is a month that you notoriously hate?
50:15
February. OK, why it's?
50:18
Just boring. There's not much going on.
50:20
OK, do you like meeting strangers?
50:23
No. OK, what is something you wanted
50:25
all your life? Money.
50:27
OK, I feel like I need a context or these answers.
50:35
OK OK, OK OK. What's your favorite?
50:40
You're just making them up now, actually.
50:42
I'm improvising now. What's your favorite beach
50:44
coastal city in LA? I don't really go to the beach.
50:50
OK, but if you were to go to the beach, would you say you like
50:52
the sand on your feet? No, OK, I hate sand.
50:55
Very popular opinion, yes. OK, who is someone that you want
50:58
to see again? Who I want to see yes, like what
51:02
do you mean like? Someone that you want to see
51:03
again. Like if you were to see him
51:05
again, who would you want? Back oh an ex.
51:07
Like anyone what could be yourself?
51:09
This is a weird question. No, it's a deep question.
51:11
I want to see Beyoncé again, OK. In concert, yeah.
51:14
That's a great one. OK, OK, OK.
51:15
Thank you. What would you keep in your
51:16
orbit? What?
51:18
What? Would you keep in your orbit?
51:19
What do you like to keep? Around, well, like I'm a planet.
51:21
No, Yeah, like you're a planet. Well, like maybe your planet.
51:24
Something else is a planet. They orbit each other.
51:26
Diet Coke and Marlboro Lights. Right, right, right, right,
51:30
right, right. Do you feel like you have like
51:34
telepathy with anyone? Yes.
51:37
Who? My best friend.
51:38
OK, love that you guys. Listen, listen, listen, listen.
51:46
Wait, why am I blinking so hard right now?
51:50
All my life this is. So fun.
51:53
What's a goal that you want for June if you make it to June?
52:01
If I make it to June. Sorry, this segment is literally
52:03
just for me right now. If I make it to June I would
52:08
like to like go to the gym more than like once a month.
52:11
That's a really. I would like to.
52:14
I would like to make it past June.
52:16
Absolutely, yeah. I actually always thought I was
52:19
going to die at 18. Really.
52:21
Yeah, I always thought I would like.
52:23
I never thought that. What about your like 20
52:25
somethings? No, I'm fine now.
52:26
Oh. Totally.
52:27
Yeah, got it. I thought like, because I, when
52:29
I was growing up, like obviously like 18 in the UK is when you
52:32
can start drinking and you can buy cigarettes and you can go.
52:35
We're drinking after this. OK, OK.
52:36
And we can. You can do everything.
52:38
Yeah. And I thought it was too good to
52:40
be true, so I never thought I was going to make it.
52:43
That's crazy, I know. But I made.
52:45
It fun little life. OK wait finish the statement.
52:47
My 20 somethings only make me. Stronger.
52:51
Oh, I love that. That's super good.
52:55
OK, I'm. Proud of that one.
52:56
If someone recall you right now, would you pick up?
52:59
If someone, if it was Beyoncé, would you pick up?
53:01
Yes. OK, what's the longest amount of
53:06
time you would drive somewhere? 06 hours actually.
53:10
I've driven to, I've driven to Germany to watch Adele from
53:13
England. How long does that drive?
53:15
A really long time. Really like thirtyish hours?
53:17
Just long like took like 2 days, had to stay in a hotel in
53:20
between. Oh my God, that's a commitment.
53:23
I know. And you know why?
53:24
It's because the flights were so expensive and I was like, and I
53:26
was taking my mom and my stepdad and I was like, I don't know if
53:28
I'm going to pay for the your flights.
53:30
We'll drive tea. I wish I just paid for the
53:34
flights. It was very long.
53:35
Very, very long. What's?
53:37
Your favorite weather? Rain.
53:39
Oh, like storm? Like stormy weather rain,
53:42
Really. Not like a storm, No, really.
53:46
Just rain. Just heavy rain.
53:48
Which is a storm. Without the like Thunder and
53:52
stuff. OK, got it.
53:53
Got it, got it, Got it. Final, final, final question.
53:58
Fuck, I forgot it. It's OK.
54:00
No, I have a good. I have a good final question.
54:02
I'm so sorry. I know Brett's gonna be so
54:03
annoyed at editing this. My final question for you, for
54:07
this rapid fire. OK, OK.
54:10
Did you did you have it yet or are you thinking about?
54:12
It I lost it, let me try to remember it really quickly.
54:16
OK, I have one for you if you want to.
54:18
I would love. OK what?
54:19
Who's the artist you'd most like to work with?
54:22
Bonnie McKee. Oh yeah, you had her on the
54:24
show. Yeah, I.
54:26
Watched it. Yes, yeah, yeah.
54:28
She's actually on a song we did. Really.
54:31
Yeah. It was a really fun podcast.
54:33
I really enjoyed it. Wait, you listened?
54:34
I did. You think I'll come on here or
54:36
not listen? I don't know.
54:37
I don't know what people do. Wait.
54:39
Thank you for listening. Yeah.
54:41
She. I Yeah.
54:42
I would love to have her. I would love to work with her.
54:44
Great. Yeah.
54:45
Yeah. That's a good question.
54:46
Thank you. OK, ask me other things.
54:51
What size bed do you have? A queen.
54:53
OK, yeah, chill. What size TV do you have?
54:57
I don't know, 50 inches? You just want to come over.
55:02
You're welcome. Over Yeah.
55:03
What's your favorite Netflix series?
55:05
Fuck, I don't have one. I don't watch TV.
55:08
No, I don't want to come. Over.
55:10
Oh, OK, it's here. Mine is Stranger Things, thanks
55:12
for asking. Stranger Things OK cool.
55:15
Wait, do you like playing video games?
55:16
Yeah, I'm a nerd, Yeah. What's your favorite video?
55:18
Game. I like Fortnite, Fortnite and I
55:20
like Dressed to Impress, but that's not video game, but to
55:22
me. I'm thinking like, think like
55:23
Nintendo. I don't know.
55:26
Mario Kart? Yeah.
55:28
Why do you think I'll beat you at Mario Kart?
55:30
No. Yes, I would.
55:31
I think I'm quite good at Mario Kart.
55:33
Wait, do we have the barriers on or not?
55:36
No. Well, you can't like go over the
55:37
edge. No, you can go over that edge.
55:39
Oh yeah, you would beat me. Then I definitely would.
55:40
Yeah, for sure, For sure. Wait.
55:42
Oh my God. OK, I guess we'll abandoned my
55:44
last question until I remember it again.
55:46
OK, well, we have talked about a lot of Dulu things on the show,
55:49
and it's been so lovely getting to know you, but I would ask
55:52
every guest what their most dululu take is.
55:54
Do you have a dilu take? What?
55:55
Does that mean like? What's the most Dululu thing
55:57
that you think about? Like could be anything crazy
55:59
controversial? What do you got?
56:01
What's the most Dulu thing I think about?
56:03
Yeah. That's so hard.
56:11
I remember my last rapid fire question.
56:12
OK, that's it's going to be easier than to Lulu.
56:16
Question, would you say you think too much?
56:17
Yeah, that was rapid fire. OK, can I give you advice?
56:23
Yeah. Don't think too much, right?
56:28
Thank you. Does that resonate with you?
56:31
OK. Yeah.
56:32
Will it help? No.
56:35
I mean, OK, here's some practices you could do.
56:39
OK. Are you actually doing this?
56:41
Yeah. OK.
56:41
Yeah, I haven't done therapy in like a few weeks actually, so
56:44
this is good. Take the highway down to ocean.
56:46
Did you do that? Yeah, I do therapy.
56:48
Great. Yeah, Sorry.
56:49
Carry on. So if you're overthinking like
56:51
what you could do, this is a really good practice.
56:52
Actually I read about in a book. I think it was either the Bible
56:57
or I know, crazy. I love that.
57:00
I love in a book. I think it was the Bible.
57:02
It was the Bible, Yeah. Take the 10 down to ocean.
57:07
Do you know the 10 to ocean? Yeah.
57:09
Right, OK. And then just.
57:11
Like LA. Just like, enjoy the salt air
57:14
and play songs that you like. Yeah, I think that would help
57:18
you not think too much. I do that.
57:20
Do you? Yeah.
57:20
Have you ever done well? No, because you've never been to
57:22
Malibu. I was about to see if you've
57:23
ever driven like, through the Canyon.
57:25
I haven't, no. That is.
57:26
Beautiful. You should do that.
57:28
That's so nice. OK.
57:30
Can you drive like well? I'm a great driver.
57:33
OK. Because it's like very like
57:34
your. Laughter.
57:35
I'm a really good. Driver it's very like edgy.
57:40
Yeah, OK. Because it's like cliffs and
57:43
stuff. OK, I can visualize that.
57:45
Yeah, OK. So I don't like doing it at
57:47
night personally. Oh, you don't.
57:50
Not the cliffs, no. Do you like, what do you like
57:52
about I like? Do you like daytime or
57:56
nighttime, would you say? I like nighttime.
57:59
OK, that's complicated for me because I like both.
58:01
I like the constellations. I like the morning light.
58:04
But I don't like sunset. Really.
58:07
Yeah, for some reason I don't like that period of time in the
58:10
day. Interesting that's such a niche
58:12
period of time in the. Day it is.
58:13
I think it's like like past trauma or something.
58:16
Oh yeah, no ice. Like when it starts to get dark
58:20
that like oh shit moment. Oh fuck.
58:23
OK, yeah, I know. I totally got that.
58:25
Yeah, some like between like. We need to. 5:00 and 7:00 got
58:30
it. Don't call me.
58:31
OK, OK. We won't, we won't be calling.
58:34
That won't be the time we get advice from you.
58:35
Yeah. OK.
58:36
Did you come up with your delulu take?
58:38
I think the most like delulu thing I think about is how I'm
58:47
going to cook like really great. Do you cook meals and and
58:53
actually no, the most delulu thing I think is part of that.
58:56
It's actually like I will kind of sit in bed on a Sunday and
59:00
book like Zumba on Monday, spin on Tuesday, like fucking
59:08
whatever else Wednesday and I'll write a list of like in the
59:12
morning I'm going to have boiled eggs and spinach.
59:15
Guess what I have Monday morning.
59:17
You forget to eat breakfast. A large Fenty matcha frappe.
59:22
Yummy with. Avocado toast and burrato on it.
59:25
Oh, that's so good though. And then yes, I think I, I get
59:29
to Lulu most weekends actually because I plan to be like this
59:33
like my Instagram is just full of like 6 packs, but not because
59:36
like I'm like you're just because I'm like I'm like ready
59:40
to get buff. Oh, OK, mine is because I'm
59:43
horny. Yeah, right.
59:45
That's OK, I'm totally kidding. If I could show you my explorer
59:47
page, it isn't. What is it?
59:49
Mine is 6 packs and Beyoncé. 6 packs and Beyoncé.
59:52
OK very respectable. Wait, who's your favorite
59:55
artist? Beyoncé.
59:56
Oh my God. Wait, I didn't see her name in
59:58
my research review? OK.
1:00:01
You didn't name drop her. Wait, who?
1:00:03
Beyoncé. In your what, What did you
1:00:06
research? What did you type in?
1:00:07
Who's St. Harrison's favorite artist?
1:00:09
No, just like anything that you've ever said, it would be
1:00:11
like Amy Winehouse and you know. You didn't see Beyoncé?
1:00:14
No, I talk about Beyoncé all the time.
1:00:16
Really. Yeah, Oh, I think so.
1:00:18
OK, we're adding to the Beyoncé lore.
1:00:20
OK, So yeah, that's pretty de Lulu.
1:00:23
Yeah, I don't do that. I will do it one day.
1:00:27
Yeah, let's do it today. No, let's have an espresso
1:00:30
martini. Oh yes.
1:00:32
Do you have that? Do we like we'll make it.
1:00:35
I don't know. We'll we'll find out.
1:00:37
She's like, we don't have that, unfortunately.
1:00:41
We'll make something else. OK.
1:00:42
OK, So we close out every show by manifesting together.
1:00:45
OK. What do you want to speak into
1:00:46
existence? I actually want to speak into
1:00:50
existence your project and success for you and everything
1:00:56
you're doing. Wait.
1:00:57
That touches me so much, thank you.
1:00:58
Yeah, of course, and I want to speak into existence more ears
1:01:03
on my music and my project and everything that's coming out and
1:01:08
yeah, just like a great 2026 for for our music.
1:01:11
Oh my God, I'm. Playing that.
1:01:13
You're so sweet. Yeah.
1:01:15
What a sweet person. Thank you so much.
1:01:17
That means so much to me. I'm like, so excited about the
1:01:19
music. I'm so excited about your music
1:01:21
in your next project. OK, I'm manifesting all that
1:01:23
too. Yeah, what are you manifesting?
1:01:26
All of that, and then I want a tour.
1:01:28
I want to perform. All of next year, OK, I want to
1:01:32
work with other artists. I want to write for other
1:01:33
artists. I want to make the fucking
1:01:36
album. I want to make an album.
1:01:38
Great album of the fucking decade.
1:01:40
Thank you. That's actually literally the
1:01:42
that's literally I talk to God every night and I'm like, Oh my
1:01:45
God, please help me make the best pop album in the fucking
1:01:47
world. Like I didn't mean that.
1:01:48
And I feel like with what I have right now, it will be.
1:01:52
I'm so excited. OK, good.
1:01:54
Can't wait. OK, thank you so much.
1:01:56
Well, this was actually so much fun and so incredible.
1:01:58
Thank you for spending your birthday with us.
1:02:00
Thank you for having me, this was so much fun.
1:02:01
You're my first podcast. I know, I noticed that in the
1:02:04
research too. Exciting.
1:02:05
Oh my God, thank you for coming on.
1:02:07
Like I'm so excited that you're here.
1:02:08
And also because it's your birthday.
1:02:12
We got you a birthday cake. Happy birthday.
1:02:17
Should we sing Tom Studio? All right, all right, let's go,
1:02:21
singers. Happy birthday to you.
1:02:26
Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday, dear St.
1:02:34
Happy birthday to Wow Singers. Not that he was singing Oh, but
1:02:43
thank. You.
1:02:45
Oh, that was sweet. Did you like?
1:02:47
That no one has sang me happy birthday this morning.
1:02:49
Yeah. What?
1:02:51
Rochelle. Rochelle, now you're definitely
1:02:54
not coming to know Lulu. Oh shit, I'm sorry.
1:02:57
JK. OK, quick question.
1:03:00
Out of the three of us, who's the best?
1:03:01
Singer, how many times have you closed out?
1:03:05
He's like, we're going to close out by doing this.
1:03:08
I'm having a good time. Wait, what did you say to me?
1:03:10
Out of the three of us, who was the best singer?
1:03:13
God, that's so hard. I don't know.
1:03:17
I didn't. I didn't hear enough.
1:03:18
You want to sing a little bit to make happy.
1:03:21
Birthday. Thank you in the cardboard.
1:03:23
Sorry, I know. Make a wish.
1:03:24
You have to make a wish. I don't.
1:03:31
Want to spit on it, you know? Just do it.
1:03:33
OK, Yeah. Look how cute that is.
1:03:37
Happy birthday. And it's in pink.
1:03:40
Yes. Oh.
1:03:41
My God, what flavour is it? It's.
1:03:44
Like allegedly the best one. It's like got a chocolate and
1:03:47
vanilla. Custard record.
1:03:48
Is this nuts? Yeah.
1:03:50
Oh, I'm allergic, but oh, no, I'm kidding.
1:03:53
Oh. My God, I was.
1:03:55
So I was like, wait a minute. This is this is so lovely.
1:04:02
Thank you so much. You are a villain.
1:04:04
This is so nice. That was crazy.
1:04:06
This, this is so cute. Thank you guys.
1:04:10
No, seriously, thank you for this.
1:04:11
Is really sweet. No, honestly, we're so happy
1:04:14
that you came on the show and that you want to spend your
1:04:16
birthday with us. So thank you so much for being
1:04:18
here. Thanks for having me, this was
1:04:19
so fun. Oh my gosh, I want to come back.
1:04:21
Oh my God. Do it again.
1:04:22
Read your card. Maybe I should just join you?
1:04:24
Just join Co host. OK, so out of three of us was
1:04:28
the best thing to. Grow it was you.
1:04:30
I'm sorry guys. Yay, thank you so much.
1:04:32
You're. So welcome.
1:04:34
OK. Thank you.
1:04:35
Well, St. happy birthday. Thanks and thank you too much
1:04:39
and thank you so much to all. The.
1:04:42
Oh whatever bro, this is the last show of the year, so we're
1:04:46
having a little fun with it. OK?
1:04:48
Thank you so much to Duluth Besties for watching this
1:04:50
episode and thank you so much to Saint for coming on Saint.
1:04:54
Where can the besties find you? At Saint Harrison with 1 R.
1:04:59
Across all platforms, yeah. And then you can also find him
1:05:01
and his music wherever you stream music as well.
1:05:04
And we're looking forward to the next project, Ghosted, as well
1:05:09
as BAD, which is coming out next week.
1:05:10
And that that is my favorite song of yours.
1:05:12
So far. So far I love the chorus.
1:05:15
Yeah, me too. Yeah, Petty.
1:05:17
Yeah, yeah, of course. That's you're really going
1:05:20
through it right now, aren't you?
1:05:21
No. OK.
1:05:23
I am, I really am. So I really love that song.
1:05:27
You'll hear it. I'll play you some shit.
1:05:28
OK? OK.
1:05:29
Villain era. OK, so besties, if you love this
1:05:32
episode, please follow the podcast on Spotify and hit the
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1:05:37
Thursday. And if you could, do us a giant
1:05:39
favor and rate the show 5 stars as a birthday gift for Saint
1:05:43
Harrison. Yes, please.
1:05:46
Thank you that. Would make me really happy
1:05:47
today. Very happy and also stream his
1:05:50
music. And if you want more of this
1:05:51
podcast, please join my past his pasties at the top of my page.
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1:05:59
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1:06:04
Period. Period.
1:06:06
Bye. Stay to Lulu.
1:06:11
Yay.