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You Don't Need Alcohol to Have Fun (Here's Why) - Ep. 180 w/ Karlyta Williams (Mockery Zero Proof) · Black Fridays: Business Growth for Entrepreneurs, Creators & Professionals

• 0:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: I always say like my crease a place where you can come find your new hobby because when people stop drinking alcohol They're in sin like I don't even not have fun, you know, or people will be like how do you have fun if you don't like drink?
• 0:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know like or what's the point like whatever and it's like well Not drinking forces you to realize what you like what you love It also forces you to realize what engages you it also forces you to realize like what can hold your attention and your interest and all those things
• 1:29
  [SPEAKER_05]: Would up though Black Friday family, welcome back to another installment of the Black Friday's podcast.
• 1:33
  [SPEAKER_05]: Before we get into today's episode on YouTube, I like buttons, subscribe, drop a comment, send some videos to family friends and loved ones so we can keep this thing going.
• 1:41
  [SPEAKER_05]: Now that we got that business out of the way, I am sitting here in a very nice establishment right here in the heart of the city.
• 1:47
  [SPEAKER_05]: Sitting here with none other than the founder of my career, Zero Proof, Miss Carlita Williams.
• 1:52
  [SPEAKER_05]: How you doing today?
• 1:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm wonderful how are you doing?
• 1:55
  [SPEAKER_05]: I'm doing great.
• 1:55
  [SPEAKER_05]: It's good to see you again.
• 1:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know, right?
• 1:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's because it's not, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a,
• 2:11
  [SPEAKER_05]: Absolutely, and we are very happy to have you on the platform and I'll absolutely love the concept that you came up with and the space that you're in is so invited and this is a zero proof bottle Zero proof I'm tripping over my words, but this is a
• 2:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Not alcoholic dedicated bottle shop and there we go.
• 2:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: There we go.
• 2:32
  [SPEAKER_05]: There we go.
• 2:32
  [SPEAKER_05]: You said it.
• 2:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's my little.
• 2:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 2:37
  [SPEAKER_05]: And so the way that we got a chance to get introduced to each other was through the black business tourist that I've been curating and so I had a chance to bring two groups through here and you are absolute fan favorite both times.
• 2:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, man.
• 2:49
  [SPEAKER_05]: So.
• 2:50
  [SPEAKER_05]: Thinking about that and then thinking about sitting in this space and hearing your story a couple of times now through those forums I'm just I would love to be able to start with how does it feel to be sitting here in your own space with this Building this business even though when you started you didn't even you didn't even you didn't want a business per se It was something that people was asking you to do in terms of zero proof mobile bartender and then now we're sitting here and in the spacing being for a few years now.
• 3:17
  [SPEAKER_05]: How does that feel?
• 3:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, it feels incredible.
• 3:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, there are moments when I literally just walk into the space and I just stand here and look around.
• 3:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that we all have these moments in life where, you know, you have stresses, you have things that you're getting over that you're going through in your day-to-day life, right?
• 3:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: Things that you're trying to work through.
• 3:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: but you also have these moments where you're just so present and you realize what you are standing inside of and people might post it as memes and stuff like that all the time but when you realize the miracle that you're within and how much you don't take the time to realize that you are standing inside of a miracle because how everything has transpired for mockery has been nothing
• 4:07
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, for sure.
• 4:09
  [SPEAKER_05]: And then we got some drinks right here.
• 4:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: We go.
• 4:11
  [SPEAKER_05]: So I would love to can we can we get a cheers to kick us off?
• 4:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: We didn't make these drinks, but nothing.
• 4:20
  [SPEAKER_05]: It's a loop.
• 4:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 4:21
  [SPEAKER_05]: It's a loop to mockery.
• 4:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
• 4:24
  [SPEAKER_05]: And I can attest, I hate drinking and eating on camera, but I can attest that this is actually very delicious drinks.
• 4:31
  [SPEAKER_05]: All of our drinks and products here are delicious and a perfect segue is could you tell us a little bit more about what it is that you offer in this space in terms of product and services?
• 4:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
• 4:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, of course, I always tell people it's like a choose your adventure, kind of engagement, right?
• 4:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: You come in and you have the option to surely get some knowledge, some understanding about what's available inside of the zero proof category for your bottles, cans, ready to drinks, all that kind of stuff.
• 5:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: And you could come in and you could patronize in that way.
• 5:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: you also have the opportunity to come in and take part of the non alcoholic zero proof cocktail menu that is available Thursday through Saturday.
• 5:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Wednesdays are wind on Wednesdays, but Thursday through Saturday you can come in and the menu changes weekly to give people an opportunity because this is you know so new to so many to give people an opportunity to see how vast you know the variety
• 5:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's you.
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• 6:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: cocktail that is seeking to be a moment because I think that that's what some of the best things are that we sit down and we share inside of which will are that they are just as much considered a part of the moment as the moment that you're having yeah excuse me to be able to make a further clarification of that is not just juice could you help me understand personally what is the difference between a zero proof spirit
• 6:26
  [SPEAKER_05]: and a motel, like how are they, how are they different?
• 6:29
  [SPEAKER_05]: How are they?
• 6:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: Julie, I would first like to say before the motel, Mafia comes for me.
• 6:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, that's, I love a good motel, right?
• 6:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: And motels certainly have their place inside of this.
• 6:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I respect motels greatly.
• 6:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, the main difference for me personally.
• 6:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: is that a zero proof cocktail is going to be crafted in the way that is kind of an alignment with its alcoholic counterparts right from beginning to end.
• 6:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: The main component inside of how it is put together is that there's a non-alcoholic spirit inside of it.
• 7:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: And if you've ever gone anywhere that now currently carries on alcohol experience, they still ask you for ID.
• 7:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: If you get it delivered on Instacart, you still have to show ID.
• 7:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that is because here in our lovely stage of Michigan, if it presents as an alcohol, even if it is not alcoholic, you do still have to be of age to consumer purchase.
• 7:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 7:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: So that's like the biggest difference between the two.
• 7:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Whereas, mocktails are going to be those amazing drinks
• 7:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: The largest composite of them may be like fresh press juice, but it can go even further than that.
• 7:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: You can have house-made cordials.
• 7:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: You can have amazing like infused teas.
• 7:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: There are so many different things that mocktails can be, but that's where I like to kind of draw the line of distinction between the two.
• 7:51
  [SPEAKER_05]: and so to continue to, so to play doubles advocate with it, it's just juice people.
• 7:55
  [SPEAKER_05]: So zero.
• 7:58
  [SPEAKER_05]: So a zero proof spirit.
• 8:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
• 8:01
  [SPEAKER_05]: Nine times that team, probably 11 times that team.
• 8:03
  [SPEAKER_05]: If you're drinking, you're drinking to get drunk or to feel something.
• 8:06
  [SPEAKER_05]: So what would be the point?
• 8:08
  [SPEAKER_05]: So to speak of a zero proof spirit outside of, of course, somebody wanted to live a sober life.
• 8:15
  [SPEAKER_05]: But
• 8:15
  [SPEAKER_05]: somebody like me I don't drink I'm a social drink.
• 8:18
  [SPEAKER_05]: I barely drink alcohol.
• 8:20
  [SPEAKER_05]: I'm gonna have like two drinks a month like if that that's me while and out, but But somebody who does drink partake alcohol who is not necessarily looking to get sober like what would be?
• 8:32
  [SPEAKER_05]: What's the purpose of zero proof alcohol?
• 8:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: So there's a couple of purposes and I absolutely love this question.
• 8:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: This question never gets over for me because when we come together to drink, right?
• 8:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's no different than when we come together to have food, you know, and things like that.
• 8:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: We're coming together for something larger than that.
• 8:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like yes, we may be coming together because we want the feeling that we think we're going to drive for this drink because I'm a drag net all.
• 8:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: that we think that we're going to derive from this drink.
• 9:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: But the other thing is that we are coming together whether we are meeting someone new, right?
• 9:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like this may be your first time meeting up with someone for a date.
• 9:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: You're coming to reconnect with someone who you've known for a long time to friendship, romantic, whatever family, whatever it is.
• 9:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Or you're coming together to close a business deal.
• 9:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to talk about business and things like that.
• 9:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like there's always a larger meaning
• 9:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think those are some of the greater meanings for why we come together.
• 9:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Now, of course, not unlike anything else, it could be food, it could be alcohol, it could be whatever it is that we're deciding to utilize in the place of perhaps what we should be doing.
• 9:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: For what's going on with us, I'm stressed, I want to go get a drink.
• 9:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: I can't sleep, I'm going to have a drink before I go to sleep.
• 9:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 9:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: certainly that exists, but that's the point inside of coming together to have these cocktails is that you're looking for the connection, right?
• 9:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's what actually brought you together to have the drink.
• 9:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, you want to get a feeling out of it, but I would argue that the feeling that you're looking for is actually going to be a little bit hidden from you or a little bit not so available on the surface for you when you add in alcohol, because now you're creating
• 10:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: how you're genuinely absorbing the company of the person that you're with, how you're genuinely absorbing the conversation that you're having, all of that.
• 10:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: And also how you are genuinely feeling inside of it, and sometimes that cannot play to our favor, right?
• 10:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: But for those who are looking to have a feeling out of their cocktail, that's why we have adapted to an experience, right?
• 10:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: on the promises that alcohol has traditionally, you know, like been made to us throughout alcohol, that alcohol can help you through stress that actually cannot, you know, it's a downer.
• 10:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's actually not give you stress.
• 10:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to be there.
• 10:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: If you can't sleep, definitely not going to help there, right?
• 10:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to kick up the cortisol, the insomnia, all the things the dehydration is going to be through the roof.
• 11:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: But you have these opportunities with the adeptogenic engagements where these are actually
• 11:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: plants.
• 11:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: These are herbs.
• 11:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: These are all kinds of different things.
• 11:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Functional roots and things like that that actually serve as supplements that can help you with that thing you're actually feeling.
• 11:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: If your stress can help you actually help your de-stress, you'd go to sleep, help you go night night.
• 11:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like all these things.
• 11:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I feel like
• 11:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: people are missing out on an opportunity to be present within themselves and to really connect to people when they think that the alcohol is what's most important inside of those moments when they're choosing to sit down and have a drink with someone.
• 11:48
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
• 11:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because that's not the most important part.
• 11:50
  [SPEAKER_05]: In fact.
• 11:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 11:52
  [SPEAKER_05]: And I want to go a little bit deeper on to exactly what you just said.
• 11:55
  [SPEAKER_05]: But first, we're going to take a break into action because I want to introduce my favorite part,
• 12:04
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, so we gonna need some bars from you.
• 12:10
  [SPEAKER_05]: We've said in a very nice face.
• 12:12
  [SPEAKER_05]: I'm gonna need you to wrap saying dance, cartwheel, back clip, whatever you got.
• 12:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: That was, let's- I am.
• 12:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh man, wow, there's okay.
• 12:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: Here we go.
• 12:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like why not?
• 12:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sitting up in my green and Zell came to talk to me.
• 12:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Tell me that he had a little bit of opposite feeling about what I was doing.
• 12:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not juice, but they still pursuing it.
• 12:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: I charge 13, 50 of pop, and if you really want to get down
• 12:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: If you look at for a better place, you can't find it.
• 12:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's the only mockery that's the way that I designed it.
• 12:57
  [SPEAKER_05]: Don't mock me, find me a mockery, mix tape, tell me something.
• 12:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, I lost somewhere in the middle of y'all, but I kind of regained it a little bit.
• 13:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Mistake coming out.
• 13:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's really summer 20.
• 13:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's summer 20.
• 13:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's summer 20.
• 13:11
  [UNKNOWN]: It's summer 20.
• 13:12
  [UNKNOWN]: It's summer 20.
• 13:13
  [SPEAKER_05]: We definitely appreciate you giving us some real bars man.
• 13:17
  [SPEAKER_05]: We've been having more people rattling now.
• 13:18
  [SPEAKER_05]: I'm actually grateful for that.
• 13:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
• 13:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know why?
• 13:21
  [SPEAKER_05]: Who's dance?
• 13:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's why.
• 13:23
  [SPEAKER_05]: I have somebody dance before.
• 13:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Man that that person is a brave hearted person.
• 13:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: You think your body looks one way when it's dancing.
• 13:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Until you see it on the screen man.
• 13:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Those are two different people.
• 13:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: Those are junior for people, because you can't tell me I'm not shaking, but I'm in my room, I played it back, I bet you that's not what you see.
• 13:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: See, and this is where people go, I'm like, she has some inaduring.
• 13:57
  [SPEAKER_05]: There are proof of mine.
• 13:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: There are proof of mine.
• 14:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: And also to the juicer, I just want to say,
• 14:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: because people always talk about like the cost.
• 14:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right?
• 14:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: That go, you're chart.
• 14:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, they're charging someone so I just like, well, I love getting technical.
• 14:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, most cocktails only contain two ounces of alcohol.
• 14:20
  [SPEAKER_05]: Right.
• 14:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: You are still being grossly overchard.
• 14:24
  [SPEAKER_05]: You pants would do shit.
• 14:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: You're still being grossly overchard.
• 14:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 14:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: Now, of course, when we get into like craftsmanship and things like that, that's totally different thing.
• 14:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
• 14:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: But generally speaking, foremost, cocked.
• 14:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know, gotta make a profit.
• 14:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: So that's why I was telling people, I'm like, that two ounces of liquor is,
• 14:43
  [SPEAKER_05]: And you know what people think like that because especially our people because it's not what you expect or it's not what you Imagine or think of this like you know, I've actually grown to stop doing that.
• 14:54
  [SPEAKER_05]: It's like 20 oh the for what like I can make this at home like you For real or daddy off of everybody's Chris
• 15:10
  [SPEAKER_05]: They're right.
• 15:11
  [SPEAKER_05]: It's not.
• 15:13
  [UNKNOWN]: It's not.
• 15:14
  [UNKNOWN]: It's not.
• 15:14
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
• 15:15
  [SPEAKER_05]: So if you're in mind real quick for free style Fridays, because you gave us a free style, I don't have to ask you as many rappers for questions, but I do have a couple for you if you're in mind.
• 15:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: OK, let's go.
• 15:23
  [SPEAKER_05]: All right.
• 15:23
  [SPEAKER_05]: So first, are you, so let me before I get into this, I want to ask this question.
• 15:28
  [SPEAKER_05]: Are you sober?
• 15:28
  [SPEAKER_05]: Do you drink it all?
• 15:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sober.
• 15:30
  [SPEAKER_05]: OK, perfect.
• 15:30
  [SPEAKER_05]: All right.
• 15:31
  [SPEAKER_05]: So all right.
• 15:32
  [SPEAKER_05]: So I won't ask you that.
• 15:33
  [SPEAKER_05]: What is your favorite mock-toe?
• 15:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I have a cocktail that I made actually as a custom cocktail for someone who did an amazing event and it had charcoal infused ice cubes.
• 15:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, with a terpeen infused base and fresh pressed kiwi.
• 15:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, and yeah, I called it the Galactic Getaway and I'm absolutely that that is probably my favorite today.
• 16:08
  [SPEAKER_05]: Fire.
• 16:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 16:09
  [SPEAKER_05]: Is there a favorite black own zero proof, uh, brand that you like?
• 16:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, man, listen, and I'm excited because I like just got a ship here from them, uh, sensory.
• 16:20
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
• 16:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I'm really, really excited to see them there have been, um, a couple, uh, others that have been on the shelves.
• 16:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: I currently have, um, one inside of the cooler as well.
• 16:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: But the great thing about this space is that virtually everyone right now who knows what to have in the future.
• 16:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Do you know they're all small business owners?
• 16:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, and so to be able to see like a sensory
• 16:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: If they see this podcast, I was like, under the comments, I was telling my family members like on the comments, someone were doing it on their own, but I just loved like the story that I was able to like experience on Instagram, you know, inside of them coming together and deciding to bring like some of their talent skills, things that they've learned inside of their careers to build in the not out space.
• 17:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: And we also have a local detrator who has her own not-out-clined fine-line.
• 17:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 17:22
  [SPEAKER_05]: So yeah.
• 17:23
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
• 17:24
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
• 17:26
  [SPEAKER_05]: fine line, fine line.
• 17:27
  [SPEAKER_05]: That is, uh, you remember the person in the junior?
• 17:30
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, Beverly Bill Junior.
• 17:32
  [SPEAKER_05]: Beverly Bill Junior shout out to her Black Friday's alumni and our friends at the show.
• 17:36
  [SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, shout out definitely shout out to to fine line.
• 17:39
  [SPEAKER_05]: And, uh, and she told us about that was when I first started to learn more about what me and my wife had been talking about it, but like I didn't, that's when I realized it started to become a thing when I interview her and she mentioned that she was working on that at the time.
• 17:51
  [SPEAKER_05]: And so that was kind of like my first introduction to, um,
• 17:54
  [SPEAKER_05]: Zero proof spirits and last but not least I heard that you like to host so if you could have a dinner party and you got some fire motels and everything is taking care of Give us five people that you haven't a dinner party with they could be alive dead celebrity personal.
• 18:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Whoever man Oh, okay, a library five people hmm
• 18:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: I am going to definitely have Janet Jackson at the table because, as a child, I just was obsessed with her.
• 18:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: I am also definitely probably going to have, I mean, dead or alive, I'm going to choose my great-grandmother Ruth.
• 18:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I want to talk to.
• 18:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: I want to talk to...
• 18:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: This is hard.
• 18:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Geez, the first time we're these in this.
• 18:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, who else do I want to talk to?
• 19:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Who else do I want to say down to dinner with?
• 19:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I don't know.
• 19:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
• 19:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my, my whole day when I just be musicians, I would love to have prints there.
• 19:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
• 19:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, and, oh, I would absolutely love to have, um, I absolutely love to have Michelle Obama at the table for a reason that I think wouldn't even be obvious to what other people would think for one at the table, but yeah, okay, you want to go, you want to explain those reasons?
• 19:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Man, because I feel like there's something to be said for like I love now that she's doing like her, you know, podcast like step out like I love that she's doing that and that her doing that just further pushes why I would love to sit down to dinner with her because even when she was the first lady one thing that I just loved about her was that she embodied the art of still holding one own presence.
• 20:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: and direction and worth and value while not diminishing yourself while still managing to stand next to history.
• 20:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that that's, it's a skill that you can learn, you know?
• 20:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: But it's also something that I think people are just blessed and born with.
• 20:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that she is one of those people.
• 20:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I love the fact that she always seems very like calm demeanor,
• 20:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
• 20:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I like this song.
• 20:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I think I can learn a lot from her.
• 20:41
  [SPEAKER_05]: dope.
• 20:42
  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, thank you for partaking and free style Fridays.
• 20:44
  [SPEAKER_05]: Did extremely well.
• 20:46
  [SPEAKER_05]: So we and we got some bars out of it.
• 20:48
  [SPEAKER_05]: So thank you.
• 20:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Listen, I do what I can.
• 20:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 20:55
  [SPEAKER_05]: Right.
• 20:55
  [SPEAKER_05]: Right.
• 20:56
  [SPEAKER_05]: And so talk to us in terms of your journey.
• 20:58
  [SPEAKER_05]: So I've been able to learn about the story when mockery had a synception in 2020 and then up until this point, but talk to me about what was
• 21:09
  [SPEAKER_05]: Um, getting into that space and even starting at concept like what were you doing and um, like what was sure.
• 21:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to ask you to tell you that because I thought that I was going to come out of COVID in the same entrepreneurial space that I had been in when I went into COVID and I actually just put down the deposit at Mary Grove for a space because a certain event that I was doing had grown to the point that it couldn't take place in my home anymore.
• 21:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right, we were talking more like when this blows over pandemic, but I worked inside of the space of intentional energetic engagement, whether that looked like through sound and frequency, guided meditation or events that were based on a sense of purpose inside of journey partnering with individuals who were looking to figure out.
• 22:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: for themselves, right, because I think that that's the biggest difference between like journey partnering and being like a coach and saying that this is your journey, right, and everyone's journey belongs to them, and it should.
• 22:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: And anything that needs to be done, whether it's work, actualization, realization, evolution, all those things.
• 22:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: These are things that we have to realize for ourselves, and in most cases, we just really need someone who is there, like as a support or as a resource to us as we're going through that.
• 22:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, and I hosted several different events inside of that space, the most popular one was Mother Moon, well Mother Moon and Bessel.
• 22:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: and mother moon was dedicated to women, whether they had actually birthed children into this physical plane, lost children, you know, carried children in their womb and unfortunately lost them.
• 22:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Or we're just utilizing the fact that they were women and the energy that that is in birthing things into this world where they were businesses or whatever.
• 22:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: But sound frequency, movement, Kundalini yoga with an amazing local Kundalini instructor.
• 23:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: in just sitting in that space in the vessel, which I hosted for the first time since COVID here in this space this year.
• 23:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: And the idea that vision parties, I think everything, I am never just respectful to how people find their way to center, right?
• 23:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: Everybody has a different way of doing it.
• 23:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: For me, I am just of the belief that we as human beings have a connection to nature that is greater than sometimes what we realize.
• 23:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: And we as women specifically and being cyclical beings have an even
• 23:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: And if we are going to plant seeds, and if we are going to go into that manifestation lane and all of those things, then we should do those in honor of that, right?
• 23:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: So we should be planting seeds and envisioning things in the spring.
• 23:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: So that's what the vessel was.
• 23:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: The vessel was coming together again using sound frequency.
• 23:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Opening up yourself, somatically opening up yourself through breath work, opening up yourself through calming everything within your body and your nervous system as much as you can.
• 23:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: So that whatever vision it is that you are attempting to bring forward is clear.
• 23:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: and it's an alignment.
• 24:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: And you are firing on all cylinders and hearing yourself from a much deeper place.
• 24:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: Rather than just picking images because those images could be speaking to things in you that perhaps are no longer of importance or should be or don't serve your evolution.
• 24:15
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 24:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm having a really clear pass.
• 24:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: So that's what I was doing.
• 24:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: And as a matter of fact, when I went into coping with one of the things I was doing was
• 24:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: getting a certification and try it side of trauma facilitation.
• 24:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: So that's what I was doing and that's what I thought I was going to come out doing.
• 24:29
  [SPEAKER_05]: And then what was your work and educational background prior to getting into that?
• 24:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh man, so I went to, I originally started in college to be a psychologist.
• 24:39
  [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
• 24:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's, that's what I think I was going to be.
• 24:42
  [SPEAKER_05]: Starting to see the connection.
• 24:43
  [SPEAKER_05]: I see the arc.
• 24:44
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I'll see the connection.
• 24:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's what I thought I was going to be.
• 24:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: On Jill.
• 24:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I went in and talked to my guidance counselor and she was like, girl seven years and I was like,
• 24:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, so I went into interior architectural design, uh, because I felt like it was the perfect marriage between my ongoing desire to be a student of the human condition and evolution.
• 25:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, and how to support that.
• 25:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 25:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: So design.
• 25:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like is sometimes an underrated way that we create things that whole people.
• 25:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 25:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: And ways that are explainable.
• 25:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, but sometimes not directly seen.
• 25:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: So that's what I went into.
• 25:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: And when I decided to start my business, it was wholly based on just everything I feel like in life is a calling.
• 25:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I had just always had an interest in these things.
• 25:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: I always said I didn't know what the creator was going to use me to be.
• 25:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like what that title was going to be, what it was going to look like exactly.
• 25:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: But one thing I was very clear on since I was a kid was that I was here to be of aid, be of service and be of vessel,
• 26:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: are much bigger than me and to understand that I am totally okay with being a guiding light for whatever it is that I'm called to do, right?
• 26:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that that's very hard to even say because I went through a phase where I was like, who are you to be somebody
• 26:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I think that's a clear cut reason.
• 26:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: Most people who try to guy people don't have it.
• 26:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: And you know what I'm talking about?
• 26:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's a good one.
• 26:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, but yeah, I've just always felt like it was, you know, because that's what I grew up around.
• 26:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
• 26:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: My great-grandmother and my great-grandfather, um, Ruth and I Lewis, I say the name of every interview.
• 26:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: I thought she there.
• 26:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, they had a grocery store inside of the neighborhood.
• 26:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's always Detroit, I grew up in.
• 26:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: They built something that outlived them.
• 26:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Neither one of them had beyond its sixth grade education.
• 26:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, came up from Alabama, built a life for themselves and their children.
• 26:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, and they took care of the neighborhood.
• 27:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like that's what they did.
• 27:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: And every kid who came in, what they would put the milk, create up for me to serve them their candy and things like that when they came in.
• 27:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: that is what I learned and that's what I saw.
• 27:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Was that taking care of people was very important.
• 27:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, even my father would like kids in the neighborhood take them out to get clothes for the upcoming school year because he had this thing like if you look good, you feel good.
• 27:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so he would help out in that way and whatever he'd sold, that was always kind of like
• 27:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: what was being played out in my life.
• 27:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I just felt on a deeper level, especially with women.
• 27:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: That was something that I was meant to aid in, right?
• 27:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I feel like we all aid, like many people may do it different ways, and may go many different ways, but we all aid.
• 27:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I just thought I was, I'm a lover of women, I am one, you know, and I just, I feel like the unfortunate, because sometimes inform your why.
• 27:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: And unfortunately, I saw a lot of women not get the things that they deserve, and that be treated in ways that they deserve.
• 28:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I wanted to, in some way, share, perform, build something that allowed them to feel amazing.
• 28:12
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and you can definitely see a sense you can get a sense of that upbringing that you had in terms of being influenced by your grandparents and then also through your interest in psychology and then the work and surrounding around wilderness.
• 28:28
  [SPEAKER_05]: all embedded into this space.
• 28:31
  [SPEAKER_05]: So I'm curious when you, when was that moment when you were doing the mobile bartending and you're testing out this proof of concept you're doing parties and stuff like that.
• 28:40
  [SPEAKER_05]: When was the moment when it clicked that I can do more here and I can create a space or it's time to develop a space to be able to serve that purpose of helping more people or being able to serve that target demographic that you thought about.
• 28:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, so again, going back to the calling thing, um, to whoever and whatever, re-report, you know, as a higher creator and being.
• 29:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I think we have spiritual experiences throughout our lives, right?
• 29:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: And they reshape us in ways that nothing else can.
• 29:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: And being in Cypher Code inside during COVID, I had probably the most powerful one that kind of like knock you off your feet.
• 29:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Powerful one.
• 29:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: um, mockery is solely obedience emotion.
• 29:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's, it's that simple, because as clearly as you could hear, you know, someone saying to you, next to you, like, this is what I need you to do.
• 29:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: And this is why I need to be done.
• 29:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, that's the honest to goodness truth.
• 29:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, and I was like, no, this is not my lane.
• 29:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I got my lane.
• 29:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I do what I do.
• 29:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, no, this, this is what needs to be done.
• 29:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I've always been an extremely
• 29:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I said, yes, because I can't say that I want to be of service, right?
• 29:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then when service comes, I just because I don't understand it, I say no to it.
• 30:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because I'm just of the belief that you could never understand the kind of plans that are for you, right?
• 30:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: You can't even think that far.
• 30:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: You can't see that far.
• 30:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: You can't think that far.
• 30:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: And when I started doing it, I was at, I'll never forget her.
• 30:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: I did not get her name.
• 30:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was at like a vendor market, fair kind of thing.
• 30:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: And the woman walked up to me and she looked me in my eyes and she hugged me.
• 30:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it was one of those hugs that like almost squeezes a tear out of you.
• 30:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: And she looked me in my face and said, thank you.
• 30:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like it was the most genuine thank you.
• 30:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think I've ever gotten to do many one of my life.
• 30:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: And she's like, we needed this.
• 30:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: We needed this.
• 30:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that's when the rubber kind of hit the roll for me right because up to that point I was being obedient for the sake of who I am in that moment my obedience now had something that it was attached to and she was like that moment for me and I realized that inside of it the whole time I had been kind of like this is in my things when I do but it actually was what I did right.
• 31:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: and it was me bringing that into the space, bringing everything that I love, everything that I care about and building out something that meant that I always say like, my crease of place where you can come find your new hobby because when people stop drinking alcohol, they're instant like, I don't even know how to have fun, you know, or people will be like, how do you have fun?
• 31:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: If you don't like drink, you know, like, or what's the point?
• 31:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, whatever, and it's like, well,
• 31:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Not drinking forces you to realize what you like, what you love.
• 31:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: It also forces you to realize what engages you.
• 31:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: It also forces you to realize what can hold your attention and your interests and all those things.
• 31:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I hope things like I've done belly dancing.
• 31:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: We do a summer solstice where we come in and we do some finger painting for just like the sensory engagement.
• 31:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: And there's aromatics, all those kind of things to work with for people to play.
• 32:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: for people to come in and, you know, in my community, there wasn't a lot of time for hobbies, right?
• 32:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: hobbies got turned into side gigs, like how you made money.
• 32:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: If you were good at something, you utilized it to make money.
• 32:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: There was never anything just for the joy of it.
• 32:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 32:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Just for just the pure like this lights me up inside.
• 32:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that that's essential.
• 32:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: and it should find all of us in adulthood.
• 32:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: We should all find a place that we can go and we can play.
• 32:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so every event that I do, the question I ask myself first is, is this fun?
• 32:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Is this gonna be fun?
• 32:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: Is there some carefree nature to it, right?
• 32:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that's what it looks like.
• 32:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so between her and the realization that having a space would allow me to be, as I notoriously reference myself, the broccoli and your smoothie.
• 32:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, to bring people in and allow them to feel like, oh, it's not out, but there's so much more.
• 32:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right, there's so much more.
• 32:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it's whatever you need it to be.
• 33:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: because maybe you don't come to all the events, but certainly there may be something that's there for you.
• 33:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that's a mockery zero proof phase.
• 33:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so it does sit inside of wellness, it does sit inside of presence, it does sit inside of play, it does sit inside of possibly sparking your evolution, and I'm just honored to be in it.
• 33:28
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
• 33:29
  [SPEAKER_05]: And speaking of that, in terms of people being, when you don't have the Crutch of Alcohol, being able to be in the space where you can find stuff that actually like to a hobby of things like that for you, when did you decide to become sober and what was that journey like for you, like what's it something that you were struggling with at the time or was just like a decision where it's like, you know I'm good on that.
• 33:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 33:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was a sober drinker.
• 33:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like just like you said, like
• 33:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, I did it because it was, is what you do, right?
• 34:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, you go out, is what you do, but I was inside and anyone who knows me will hear this and be like, oh, yeah, that's currently all in my life, I've been the same, all in my life.
• 34:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: But as I said, I'm an introspective person and I was sitting with something that first found me when I was 13.
• 34:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that is writing down the woman I dream of being and all the ways that I'm already her.
• 34:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then the woman that I am, right?
• 34:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: And the things that I may be doing that are actually pulling me further away from that woman.
• 34:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: And side of having like accountability, right?
• 34:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Not giving away the power of me not becoming this woman to anything out here in this external world.
• 34:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, what can I change?
• 34:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: What can I?
• 34:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: And one of the things that kept popping up is like a breadcrumb inside of everything, whether it was like you're not sticking to your budget, you're not sticking to your fitness goals, you're not sticking to this, you're not sticking to that.
• 34:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like there were multiple things like girls that buy stuff on Amazon, but like the other stuff was like going out for drinks with friends, like going out for drinks with friends, like going out for drinks with friends, and I was like this is so interesting because I'm a social drinker.
• 35:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't even think alcohol hell that much presence in my life, whether it's family reunion,
• 35:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, you know, I didn't even like drift like that.
• 35:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I didn't even need this.
• 35:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I started making mocktails.
• 35:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: And what I called Spritsees, because when I was a kid, like I was a kid, they went to Chuck E. Cheese and like annoyed everybody.
• 35:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: I put all the sodas in the like, one comes like 10% of the person, but those were going to I'm going to be free.
• 35:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: I bet it by the time I came out of the pandemic, so I couldn't keep doing that.
• 35:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I also recognize that I love, I love food, right?
• 35:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: I love culinary experiences.
• 35:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: And a lot of what goes into the glasses comes from the fact that I love to bake from scratch.
• 35:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so that informed like my earliest recipes and the things that I was trying as I was building up my confidence, you know, in this space of creating these cocktails.
• 35:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I knew that I wanted them to not just be good.
• 35:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like I wanted them to be a moment where you sip it and it actually shocks you.
• 36:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: like it surprises you how much you enjoyed it and it causes you to reconsider, right?
• 36:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like you just had that snap moment where it causes you to reconsider.
• 36:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so that is uh that's that's that's how it happened and then when they started letting us gather I gave one because I love hosting and I gave one to my friends and one of them say like you should do this and I was like do what?
• 36:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: And she's like this.
• 36:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like girl what?
• 36:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: She's like I don't know.
• 36:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: But this and shout out to my friends because when I tell you, um, my friends are like, the tinker bills in my life, right?
• 36:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, they sprinkle the pixie dust and be like, girl, like, it's amazing to have women around you and for you to be around women that you truly believe are magical.
• 36:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, because you support them in a way that's unexplainable, right?
• 36:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because you, I think my friends can do anything.
• 36:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 36:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like they don't, I'm like, you could do that.
• 36:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Do that.
• 36:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: You say you're-
• 37:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, and I was like, okay, well, let me see.
• 37:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, like, let me see what it is.
• 37:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: And the whole first year of my career, I'm announced to a lot of people was done for the free 99, um, because everybody told me no.
• 37:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I walked up and as in it, everybody told me no.
• 37:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so I was standing there about to get a no.
• 37:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: And my family voice said, say you do for free.
• 37:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, I do for free.
• 37:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
• 37:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that changed a lot because people are so much more willing to engage with you when there's not the barrier of what they're feeling is the value of this experience, right?
• 37:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because now there's none at that.
• 37:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Now it's just all on that gate is down.
• 37:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: You've given me a drink.
• 37:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to talk to you about it.
• 37:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to be more open about.
• 37:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to ask you questions.
• 37:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: You'll get to ask me questions.
• 37:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, and while I was very coffee, um, it, I wouldn't
• 37:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: because that is where I started to learn, you know, people's palettes, what I did best, what I didn't do so good, what I could improve on, what people responded to well, what they were looking for inside these cocktails.
• 38:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: So it's the best money that I never made, right?
• 38:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then the second year I became cash transactional and just kept going from there.
• 38:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: And again, shout out to my friends.
• 38:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: And the women who are around me who love me and support me because they were my first customers outside of doing like vendor markets and things like that like they were the ones who gave me an opportunity.
• 38:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah
• 38:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: And you had mentioned that, so essentially when you're doing the events for free, that was your exchange with the data that you're in the data, yeah, I changed with the data like I would like to invite me over let me make drinks the only thing I asked if you was telling me what you like love what you hate like tell me that like whatever you're doing like I'll come I'll make drinks, you know, like whatever whatever, yes, I'll come and I'll do it.
• 38:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 38:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um,
• 38:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: I popped up at places like West Elm, you know, and I'm there and I'm serving drinks to people from all walks of life who are coming in here for furniture, right?
• 39:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: So you're catching them because these are the people who host, you know?
• 39:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: So like they care about this kind of stuff and they loved it.
• 39:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it was amazing to see people come in and like want to drink for their mom that they're shopping with and all that kind of stuff.
• 39:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, but you, you think I get the moment
• 39:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: and this is what the one is like, Cree.
• 39:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: But those people who I did that for are the reason that I'm sitting here now.
• 39:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 39:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm not suggesting anyone do their business for me.
• 39:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not suggesting anyone do their business for me.
• 39:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: So please get to know what I'm saying.
• 39:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this was just fine, it's serious.
• 39:45
  [SPEAKER_05]: But I love that because so I've been in marketing in my whole career.
• 39:48
  [SPEAKER_05]: And so I love the aspect of being able to go out in number one, either get your social proof or you get your, you do your market research to be able to understand what our people are responding to what do they like, what don't they like?
• 40:01
  [SPEAKER_05]: Like once they're twice a year, I'll pull people who I know listen to the podcast and I'm like, what's going good?
• 40:06
  [SPEAKER_05]: What would you change?
• 40:07
  [SPEAKER_05]: What do you like just being able to get that data it helps you be more in tune with the people that you feel like you are servicing
• 40:15
  [SPEAKER_05]: and then allows you to be able to elevate and get better and change as things change as well.
• 40:20
  [SPEAKER_05]: And so it's like, people have come on this podcast and talked about how they were able to go and lay that foundation for their proof of concept, for their business and was willing to grow with it.
• 40:30
  [SPEAKER_05]: And then now you can see the successes of the things that they have when they get the accolades, they get the wars, they get the grants, they get X, Y, and Z.
• 40:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: I've been since opportunities because they're willing to grow with the business and take that information and be enabled to apply it in real time Which it seems like you were able to do absolutely and you know people will always say like to be an archcrew You got to be a little crazy No, all of that is very true and I think that the beautiful thing about I always knew I didn't want to work for anybody
• 41:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: People were like, maybe, but I haven't been at the dollar menu in McDonald's.
• 41:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't care.
• 41:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my goodness.
• 41:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because we got this McDonald's place set when I was a kid.
• 41:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I literally told my mom, and I, that little girl, I was six.
• 41:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: I want the gumption of that little girl every day in my life, right?
• 41:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because I literally told my mom, and I was so serious, I remember it because I believed everything I was saying.
• 41:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, I already got like the logo, and if they could send me like smaller batches of the stuff they make, and I know I can't use grease because I'm a kid, and I don't have any of that.
• 41:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: David could send me like cookies, you know, or something that I could just like sell, you know?
• 41:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 41:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: In my head, it was like, I was going to do this in my neighborhood.
• 41:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was going to bring McDonald's to the kids on my block.
• 41:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: We didn't make fairs.
• 41:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: Since L.A.M.
• 41:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: you won't hand McDonald's money.
• 41:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
• 41:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: Because they do the same thing.
• 41:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: And there's you do the work.
• 41:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think you got McDonald's money.
• 41:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think McDonald's right here.
• 42:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 42:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: I knew I never wanted to work for anyone.
• 42:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: However, I was also willing to work for someone and to enable myself to be able to do that.
• 42:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I think there's a big difference there.
• 42:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, but yeah, it's the things that you go through and that's the interesting part like people will look at any success That you know people have and be like, oh, you know, like this and it's like Trusts and believe you do not make it there without a ton of sacrifice lessons losses Learning that some people will never be able to even fat them, right?
• 42:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: nights where you do not know the year before I opened the brick and mortar, I literally put it on everything.
• 42:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, I don't know if my crease gonna make it.
• 42:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because I started hosting events and people were not coming.
• 42:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, maybe, you know, people, because people just constantly told me this would never work in Detroit.
• 42:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, baby, right, but then I'm also like, I mean, you told me to do this.
• 43:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, you're gonna come
• 43:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, and I did not know and I decided that I was going to take like that summer, right?
• 43:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: I canceled a couple of the events that I had planned for the summer and I was going to take that summer to like, regroup, figure it out.
• 43:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it just so happened that that's when I found out about this space, but fun fact when I found out about this space, there was already a letter of intent in place for the space.
• 43:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I technically could not have it.
• 43:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, and I kind of cried, I know it's like really, um, but as blessings and fortunes would have it, it would make itself available to mockery.
• 43:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, and that's why I always say like you, there's, it's got to be more, and you know, you hear people say it before you like our deeply entrenched in entrepreneur, but it really does have to be about more than a money.
• 43:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like it really does it it has to it has to mean something to you It doesn't even necessarily have to be you know like it's it has to mean something to you It has to hold like a value in your life that feels like it's a line with your destiny Because if it doesn't let me tell you you be like no thanks
• 44:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
• 44:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: No thanks.
• 44:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay all the time.
• 44:18
  [SPEAKER_05]: So yeah always hope it's better ways to make money if you If you don't have like to drive or and I more so tell this to people are interesting in the podcast and thinking they're gonna make money I might look it's better ways to spend your time making money then going on this particular grind however
• 44:34
  [SPEAKER_05]: If you do have a passion or a drive for whatever it is, your topic, you actually create and content and stuff like that, then you can endure the season where that's not the case, until you start turning the proper, actually making money and stuff like that.
• 44:49
  [SPEAKER_05]: Because that's what it takes.
• 44:50
  [SPEAKER_05]: It's a few people have told me mentors and different people I look up to and talk about, you know, the only cheat codes that you really have in life is consistency.
• 45:00
  [SPEAKER_05]: like that's it, like consistency and the willing to do that's the knowing Checos consistency the willing to do and I will because yes and yes and I'll be at one more to that list.
• 45:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: blind optimism, like a belief that every time you get a no, every time you get something doesn't work out the way that you wanted it to, that there is a reason, right?
• 45:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: That there is a reason because if you don't, and you know this, you will feel enough
• 45:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right, maybe this is for someone else.
• 45:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: But it's, and you have to take those moments like you got to lick your wounds and you got to tell yourself like, you know, we didn't win today, but that's okay.
• 45:58
  [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
• 45:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because tomorrow, who knows?
• 46:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: We could win, right?
• 46:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like 24 hours could change a life.
• 46:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 46:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: 72 could change a world.
• 46:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, yeah, but I love it here.
• 46:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's the ghetto.
• 46:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I love it.
• 46:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: But it's your get-o.
• 46:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's my get-o.
• 46:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 46:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: I love it here.
• 46:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 46:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to install it.
• 46:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Jays off the dome.
• 46:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Friends coming to my house with dinner.
• 46:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: They're lying on the floor.
• 46:33
  [SPEAKER_05]: And as you spoke about, you were able to design this space to allow people to be much more of themselves.
• 46:41
  [SPEAKER_05]: And I'm curious to have you have a favorite event that you've been able to hold here so far?
• 46:48
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah.
• 46:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, it's a tie, actually, I loved the belly design class.
• 46:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 46:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, again, lover of women, huge proponent and supporter of women having discoveries within themselves is out of their own movement, specifically sensual movements that are not for consumption or for performance.
• 47:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: but for them to have an opportunity to be within their bodies and feel this way for themselves and the vessel, because the vessel doing it this spring was very important to me.
• 47:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was all at once, even though I've been doing this for five years now, it was the moment where Carlita fully like merged into mockery and
• 47:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: There will never be anything for me that makes me feel better or like I've actually done what I was supposed to be doing.
• 47:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Then watching women when we came down here because we were upstairs for the beginning aspect and when we came down here They weren't speaking and they weren't not speaking because they didn't like each other.
• 47:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: They didn't because they were at peace.
• 48:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: They were just in themselves.
• 48:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: They didn't feel a sense of nervousness to break silence.
• 48:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: watching women at rest, watching women in joy, right?
• 48:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: People in joy, but I'm sorry, women.
• 48:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: It fulfills me, right?
• 48:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: It heals places in me that need to be healed.
• 48:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: and so is absolutely beautiful.
• 48:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, everything, everything that happens in this space, but the vessel and belly dancing, those, those are my two.
• 48:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: I felt like all it wants, like, came back home to myself in a way.
• 48:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: And also I got to watch women feel utterly comfortable inside of movements that belong to them.
• 48:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 48:45
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
• 48:46
  [SPEAKER_05]: And so speaking of all the wonderful things that you just told us about, what is next for Carlita, what is next for mockery, give us a view into your crystal ball.
• 48:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: That was so perfect.
• 48:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Anyone who knows me is going to know why that's perfect.
• 49:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Did you say crystal ball?
• 49:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: But, um, so what's up next for me?
• 49:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, so when people use to ask me, where do you see yourself or mockery in five years, five, six years as people always ask you?
• 49:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, the thing that I would always say was, well, you know, I want to see expansion more into things that have to do with wellness, right, but not in a clinical way, um, because I believe that when I'm not a clinical doctor, um, two things that feel very clinical can sometimes feel as if they're things that people don't want to approach and a lot of times is people who need the most, who don't want to approach them because they feel clinical, um, because of very well-founded historical reasons.
• 49:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, as well as others, right, uh, but to create something that embodied the presence, the non-out all those things, but took it and expanded it to something else.
• 49:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, and that is where I'm standing right now inside of Nathan House, um, which is my next venture, right?
• 50:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, and although I got a note today.
• 50:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: You can never be denied, right?
• 50:13
  [SPEAKER_05]: Delay, not deny.
• 50:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
• 50:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: You never be denied.
• 50:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's not something that you've been told to do.
• 50:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Now, what you can't be.
• 50:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: And you know, I'm glad to be in one of the strongest.
• 50:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, just, but what you can be is I feel like I'm constantly being asked like, but how much do you want to do it, right?
• 50:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because it's easy to say.
• 50:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: I want to be a best sol, I want to be a solider.
• 50:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to do that.
• 50:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to do that.
• 50:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's like, let's see, so that's how it always goes for me.
• 50:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: But that's what's next.
• 50:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: Nathan House is all about our nervous systems, right?
• 50:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: And the idea of turning it once again, Bradley and your smoothie, and to a lounge atmosphere, where you're able to come in, but removing, I'm all about removing boundaries, right?
• 50:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: bringing down walls.
• 50:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: My dad used to say that he would he called me a merit for our new and a merit was and he'd say, you know, she was burning bras in my living room for whole life.
• 51:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, that's what she means.
• 51:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: She was trying to take her my house since she was little girl.
• 51:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: But it wasn't that it's that I feel like there are barriers that exist and they don't have to.
• 51:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: and I don't feel like we should make something that is as essential as the health of our nervous system, the knowledge of our nervous system, something that is a vacation, right?
• 51:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: Is she be something that is available to you inside of
• 51:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: the place that you call home where you do life, right?
• 51:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because you know that it's not about perfecting your nervous system.
• 51:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's about understanding it more.
• 51:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's about knowing when the triggers come, like, what tools do you have in your toolbox that aid you inside of this?
• 51:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: So that's what Navin House is and removing that barrier, as well as like, you know, inside of the wellness world, it's costly.
• 51:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not saying that it's not, it shouldn't cost and there is in value.
• 52:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, and things aren't expensive sometimes.
• 52:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, but you should certainly have the ability to come in because you don't know when you're going to feel like you need something for your nervous system.
• 52:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: It could be on a Google meet, it could be anything.
• 52:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: It could be, well, conversation with your partner, conversation with your kids, but whatever it is.
• 52:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Naman House exists for you to be able to have a walk-in capability, right, the ability to walk-in and have something available to you that is there and is pre-recorded.
• 52:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: But also to help in aiding, I've been blessed to know and engage with some amazing people here in the city.
• 52:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: And side of the wellness space when I was a little bit more inside of it in certain ways and all that stuff But to help build out the ecosystem where these things are pre-recorded and they're unavailable But also giving people an opportunity to engage with some of the things people call woo woo that are actually just like ancient wisdom That has been infusing a thing that we know work But also some of the amazing technological advances, right you could talk to chat GPT then you can come
• 53:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: you can get this opportunity to age yourself, right?
• 53:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: So that's what's next for Carlita.
• 53:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: What's next for mockery is continuing to build and being the place you be surprised how many customers come in because they had a bad day.
• 53:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: or because we had a conversation previously and for whatever reason and I never take it for granted like they were a person, I was a person they felt like they could talk to.
• 53:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: So continuing to be a stable inside of the community, continuing to exist inside of a neighborhood, regardless of what people told me about not doing that.
• 53:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: But continuing to grow inside of this sober culture here within the city that I've called home my whole life, right?
• 53:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: continuing to move forward in the things that light me up and what's next for mockery is to continue inside of what has already become rooted here in the city and to continue to grow to offer more branches and opportunities for people to engage with this culture and the space and all that gets there.
• 54:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: and I will tell you to rest in my secret.
• 54:21
  [SPEAKER_05]: That's for sure.
• 54:24
  [SPEAKER_05]: And last night, Lee's working at people find you.
• 54:26
  [SPEAKER_05]: How can they tap in with you with your socials website?
• 54:29
  [SPEAKER_05]: If they want to pull up and get a drink, how can they find you?
• 54:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, if they want to pull up a get a drink, I'm at 70, 400 West Mechanicals, you could always also know in the six miles.
• 54:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
• 54:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: Alia is on the side of the building.
• 54:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: You cannot miss her.
• 55:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: If you're looking for a social media, that's at mockery zero proof zero is spelled out if you have yelled at me for that because it was just a number.
• 55:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, is there on Instagram on TikTok, that's all the things our TikTok don't like me like that.
• 55:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: But it's there on Instagram.
• 55:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: It is there for you to find.
• 55:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: The website is macreserveproof.com.
• 55:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, and if you want to engage with the events, you can follow us on event, right?
• 55:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, macreserveproof.
• 55:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: And, uh, yeah.
• 55:29
  [SPEAKER_05]: Perfect.
• 55:30
  [SPEAKER_05]: Perfect.
• 55:30
  [SPEAKER_05]: Well, Carlita, thank you so much for inviting us to the space multiple times.
• 55:34
  [SPEAKER_05]: Thank you to my third or fourth time being here, but it's always very common, very relaxing.
• 55:40
  [SPEAKER_05]: And then definitely a lot of concept and the community focus of what it is that you're doing, doing amazing work.
• 55:46
  [SPEAKER_05]: And please let us know how Black Friday is.
• 55:49
  [SPEAKER_05]: And audience,
• 55:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes, yes, well for first first in case y'all didn't know because, you know, he'd been a little humble about the tour.
• 56:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: I've had many tours come through, right?
• 56:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: But none of them were as Mormon.
• 56:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: I said this to you in DM like you, the energy that came into the space, right?
• 56:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: and what was left behind.
• 56:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was literally like having 30 of your artis.
• 56:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Come in here, Ian.
• 56:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: I am proud of you.
• 56:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 56:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: I am proud of you.
• 56:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, look at you.
• 56:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: Not even knowing me.
• 56:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, so the tours were absolutely amazing.
• 56:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: And you know, the best thing that I can say that anyone can do for any small business owner myself included is, um, you know, continue to talk about us, right?
• 56:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, there is so much information.
• 56:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think we're at information overload, which is why I think a lot of people are kind of pulling away from social media.
• 56:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: So while I know it is a marketing tool, right?
• 56:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: your word of mouth is always going to be so much better, right?
• 56:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because people trust you, as a person and if they're asking you for this information, they trust your taste, trust how you value things.
• 57:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: So continue to talk about us.
• 57:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: A small business is talk about the experience, you know, all that good stuff.
• 57:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like that's the most that we can ask and
• 57:12
  [SPEAKER_05]: Spin that bread.
• 57:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, because it's not all about the money, but baby, we can't do another with all the money Because we can't be here.
• 57:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: We can't I can't be a resource.
• 57:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Come on.
• 57:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Come on, no.
• 57:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
• 57:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, okay, I paid as rent Ain't no great They're all Snips that it's over
• 57:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, we must have, we must have financial resource support, and I think a lot of times people shy away from saying that because there has been this very, you know, I work in the non-profit world in my nine to five life, and I think that is something very similar where people will sometimes but this weird connotation on non-profit workers where you shouldn't want to be paid.
• 57:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: You should just be happy that you're doing something good for the world and for the community is like, hey,
• 57:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: you know, and the money became his dirty thing.
• 58:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying now?
• 58:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: We go to capital business, I'm totally different.
• 58:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just saying like exchange of resources, right?
• 58:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: You have financial resources.
• 58:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: You want to exchange them with people.
• 58:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: You want to give the energy that is money to people who's energy you want to see expand.
• 58:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 58:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right, like that's I always say that's the way you should look at sales like look at it less of like who you know I want that thing.
• 58:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: I want that thing as opposed to like This person I want to see them expand in the world whether it's their energy their presence Their voice their whatever it is.
• 58:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: I want to see them expand the I have the resource to help them expand So I go give them the energy that is my expansion resource that's all that sales and purchasing and buying like that's that's what it really should be
• 58:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: So when you're thinking about where you want to go spend your money, right?
• 58:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 58:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that's why support small businesses so important because when you go spend your money at, you know, big box stores, and we all do, you know, and I'm not saying that that's done in, but I am saying that they are expanding all the time, right?
• 59:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: go and help someone who you actually may know personally, know someone who knows personally, who can vouch, right?
• 59:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: For at least what they know, you know, that expansion is going towards, because that's someone important because we have more power than we think, right?
• 59:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because when you're able to put a financial resource in someone's pocket, you're able to give them the ability to create some kind of change.
• 59:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it's nine times I tend to be changing.
• 59:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: You want to see if you align with them one day.
• 59:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 59:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: So take your financial resource that is expansion and help a small business expand, help a small business owner who you love and support expand.
• 59:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because that's how we do.
• 59:50
  [SPEAKER_05]: I ain't going to try to follow that up.
• 59:51
  [SPEAKER_05]: I'm a wrap it up there.
• 59:54
  [SPEAKER_05]: We're going to tap it with y'all.