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Speaker 1: and then of course the NFL. The Eagles take on
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Speaker 1: the Giants. We're looking at that game right now for
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Speaker 1: Football at four. Andrew to Checho from the Inside the
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Speaker 1: the matchups to watch for this weekend's game Eagles, Giants
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Speaker 1: and Andrew.
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Speaker 2: Good to have you back, man. What's going on.
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Speaker 3: I'm doing well, Mike car are you.
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Speaker 2: Always good to catch up with you Eagles Giants.
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Speaker 1: The last time we talked about this particular game, I
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Speaker 1: don't think many people thought that this was going to
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Speaker 1: be much of a game. Is this game a little
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Speaker 1: bit more eye opening now? Is this Giants team a
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Speaker 1: threat to come into Philadelphia and sweep the Eagles this year?
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Speaker 3: Mike, I would be shocked if that happened a second time.
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Speaker 3: I don't know that anyone could have expected the Eagles
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Speaker 3: to get out muscled by the Giants on Thursday Night football,
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Speaker 3: but I have to imagine, and you know, just kind
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Speaker 3: of gauging the temperature check, it certainly seems like this
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Speaker 3: team's focused and ready to get after it. The Giants
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Speaker 3: don't have a wealth of options offensively. They have Jackson Dart,
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Speaker 3: who I think is a bright young quarterback. Cam Scativo
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Speaker 3: has a physical running style, but outside of that, they
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Speaker 3: don't have a ton of optionality at the skill position.
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Speaker 3: At the Washever specifically little Jordan Humphrey Wandell rob had
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Speaker 3: a nice game against the Eagles a thirty five yard touchdown,
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Speaker 3: and they could have Darius Slayton back for this one.
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Speaker 3: But I think that this defense should really be able
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Speaker 3: to get after it and the addition of Kobe Dean
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Speaker 3: into the defense should help the run defense be able
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Speaker 3: to bottle up and contain camp Scatabow and then from
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Speaker 3: the on the other side of the ball, I think
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Speaker 3: that the Eagles can certainly build off of what they
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Speaker 3: were able to do against the Minnesota Vikings, particularly as
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Speaker 3: it pertains the throwing the football.
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Speaker 2: You know, Andrew, I agree.
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Speaker 1: I think last time we all looked at their offense
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Speaker 1: in the like, I don't see how they moved the ball,
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Speaker 1: how they challenged, But how does this offense of the
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Speaker 1: Giants what they did last time? I thought it stood
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Speaker 1: out was they out physicaled you. They out muscled you. Right,
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Speaker 1: they pushed the Eagles all over the place. Why should
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Speaker 1: we think the Eagles defense is different this time around.
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Speaker 3: Well, they could have Jalen Carr. I mean they're going
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Speaker 3: to have Jalen Carter, which is he didn't play in
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Speaker 3: that first matchup. They're gonna have Quinyon Mitchell, They're going
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Speaker 3: to have Nakobe Dean playing defense this time around. He
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Speaker 3: played six maps in the first matchup against the Giants,
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Speaker 3: So you're adding some key pieces. I do believe that
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Speaker 3: Jalen Carter, he's the one who gets things going up front.
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Speaker 3: He's a physical presence. He lives behind the line of scrimmage.
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Speaker 3: That hit that he put on Carson once that resulted
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Speaker 3: in the Jaylas Hunt pick six rattle wentz to the
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Speaker 3: point where I think that changed the way that he
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Speaker 3: was playing the rest of the game. But Nakobe Dean
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Speaker 3: and I want to circle back to something that I
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Speaker 3: mentioned earlier on. He is a tone setter. He brings
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Speaker 3: a lot of energy and when he's out there on
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Speaker 3: the field, he really can find waste a knife into
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Speaker 3: the backfield and pop running backs for a loss. He
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Speaker 3: did that to Xavier Scott for a four yard loss.
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Speaker 3: And the Eagles tend to really thrive off of na
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Speaker 3: Kobe's energy. And he's a natural born leader. And I
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Speaker 3: think when you bring in somebody like that who is
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Speaker 3: really adept to stop in the run, you're arming yourself
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Speaker 3: with better personnel equipped to handle it.
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Speaker 1: To check out football at four, what does Dean bring
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Speaker 1: to the defense and how does it change the defense
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Speaker 1: and the role of Johide Campbell. Can you play those
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Speaker 1: two guys together, they have to pick one over the other.
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Speaker 1: How do you see that kind of materializing here?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he brings leadership, toughness, tenacity, and an understanding of
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Speaker 3: what the defense wants to be and what they need
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Speaker 3: to be. That they've they've got their swagger back after
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Speaker 3: losing it seemingly against the Giants and Thursday Night Football
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Speaker 3: once Dean was back on the field. Defensively, he's vocal,
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Speaker 3: he's highly intelligent, and his football intelligence is off the charts.
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Speaker 3: And I go back to what I said last season,
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Speaker 3: he was the heartbeat of that defense. So to have
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Speaker 3: him out there, I thought made a noticeable improvement. But
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Speaker 3: the Eagles have sort of a conundrum there at linebacker.
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Speaker 3: Johat Campbell's played very well at off ball linebacker just
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Speaker 3: you know, for the first six games really, and he
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Speaker 3: played a lot of edge in weeks in his seventh game,
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Speaker 3: but they he did that out of necessity and it
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Speaker 3: worked out because Eagles were able to get Nacobe on
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Speaker 3: the field for thirty one snaps primarily when they were
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Speaker 3: in base and Campbell also saw some you know, factored
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Speaker 3: into the equation and help the defense. But that works
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Speaker 3: for the short term and the long term that's going
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Speaker 3: to be a little bit problematic because then you're going
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Speaker 3: to have Brandon Graham in the fold. Nolan Smith will
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Speaker 3: be returning at some point in November, and if they
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Speaker 3: trade for a player, well then you're all right there
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Speaker 3: at edge and you have enough bodies to absorb those snaps.
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Speaker 3: But then the question becomes, how do you allocate snaps
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Speaker 3: at linebacker? I think the Eagles have to keep your
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Speaker 3: high Campbell on the field. You don't want to stunt
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Speaker 3: a rookie's growth who's made tangible strides each and every week.
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Speaker 3: But I think situationally you can make an exception because
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Speaker 3: of na Kobe's ability to defend the run and blitz
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Speaker 3: and do certain things, especially in the goal line and
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Speaker 3: short yarded situations. I think that because of the talent
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Speaker 3: that those three players have, maybe you are able to
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Speaker 3: make a little bit more of an exception. But I
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Speaker 3: can't really see Na Kobe Dean there being room for
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Speaker 3: him to play more than thirty or so snaps in
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Speaker 3: any game.
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Speaker 2: No answer.
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Speaker 1: You're a guy who obviously studies the draft really well.
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Speaker 1: When you looked at Jahad Campbell coming in, is he
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Speaker 1: a guy that you think can rush the passer at
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Speaker 1: this level?
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Speaker 3: Yes, But I was never under the assumption that that
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Speaker 3: was going to happen immediately. I personally scattered him as
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Speaker 3: an off ball linebacker with edge flexibility. But I think
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Speaker 3: that that's somebody's going to have to grow into and experience,
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Speaker 3: but also in developing his frame and getting stronger and
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Speaker 3: things like that. He's doing it on the fly at
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Speaker 3: a necessity because the Eagles need him to. But I
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Speaker 3: think right now, Mike, he's an off ball linebacker. He
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Speaker 3: has the instincts, the range, the coverage acumen, his ability
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Speaker 3: to be able to carry running backs up the sideline
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Speaker 3: and defend tight ends. You can see his length and
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Speaker 3: how that affects and narrows throwing windows. That's really what
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Speaker 3: he's equipped to do right now. But that's not to
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Speaker 3: say that down the line he won't be an effective
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Speaker 3: edge rusher. I think that was very much part of
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Speaker 3: the appeal of when the Eagles draft room, having that
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Speaker 3: multifaceted skill set.
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Speaker 1: All right, you talked about edge rusher. They brought in
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Speaker 1: an ed rusher. It's an old friend, Brandon Graham. What
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Speaker 1: does he bring in your mind? How do they use him?
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Speaker 1: Obviously he is a guy who brings a lot of energy,
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Speaker 1: But is Brandon Graham the fix for some of the
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Speaker 1: past rushing problems.
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Speaker 3: Well, he brings leadership. He brings institutional knowledge and the
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Speaker 3: ability to impart wisdom on players of you who are
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Speaker 3: younger and players who are older. He's just a locker
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Speaker 3: room pillar and a very positive influence. But you couple
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Speaker 3: that with someone who is a good run defender. The
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Speaker 3: last time we saw Brandon Graham, well, I guess really
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Speaker 3: it was week twelve when he tour his tricep. That
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Speaker 3: was his best game of the season by far, making
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Speaker 3: plays behind the line of scrimmage and just all over
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Speaker 3: the field. And then he came back for in time
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Speaker 3: for the Super Bowl retore it and he said that
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Speaker 3: he feels like it never happened. He feels very good.
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Speaker 3: But I think he brings someone who does believe it.
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Speaker 3: He knows that he's comfortable in his ability stayed in shape. Now, realistically,
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Speaker 3: you have to look at the snaps. I think once
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Speaker 3: you get the first game out of the way, fifteen
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Speaker 3: twenty snaps will be realistic and it should compliment what
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Speaker 3: the Eagles already have. You don't bring back Brandon Graham
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Speaker 3: and expect him to all of a sudden front your
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Speaker 3: edge rusher group, but rather to boaster it and provide
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Speaker 3: capable play, and you couple that with his ability to
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Speaker 3: be a really really prominent figure in the locker room,
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Speaker 3: that that's going to be worth it's you know, it's
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Speaker 3: gonna be worth its weight, man. And I just think
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Speaker 3: that he has a lot to offer, but expectations should
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Speaker 3: be tempered because he's thirty seven years old, he had
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Speaker 3: two tricep injuries, and you have to give it time
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Speaker 3: to see what he's able to do from a conditioning
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Speaker 3: standpoint and things like that. Mcvangiel mentioned retention and football
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Speaker 3: shape contact shape as being the two factors he was
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Speaker 3: going to look at in determining how much and how
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Speaker 3: soon Graham could Graham could help his defense.
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Speaker 1: All right, we're talking with Andrew to checko football for
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Speaker 1: a couple more with him as the Eagles get ready
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Speaker 1: for the Giants. We talked about last time the Giants
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Speaker 1: whipped him, the Eagles offensive line.
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Speaker 2: Got whipped as well.
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Speaker 1: They lost the battle up front, and he's been losing
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Speaker 1: the battle essentially every single week. They have been out
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Speaker 1: gained in every single game this season. Do you look
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Speaker 1: at this offensive line, is it something that can be
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Speaker 1: fixed or is this going to be a constant issue,
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Speaker 1: not only this week, but for the rest of the season.
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Speaker 3: Well, it'll be a constant issue until they're able to
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Speaker 3: be as close to full strength as possible. The bye
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Speaker 3: week should certainly help. And if Cam Jurgens, let's say,
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Speaker 3: can't play this week and it's trending towards that, well,
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Speaker 3: I mean that would give him some time to get
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Speaker 3: off his feet and rest a little bit recover. Landon
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Speaker 3: Dickerson as well, he sorely needs to have some time
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Speaker 3: to really rest because he's been battling through a lot
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Speaker 3: of things. But when they're able to do that, when
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Speaker 3: they're able to get as close to full strength, you'll
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Speaker 3: start to see the offense take shape and and be
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Speaker 3: a little bit more balanced, run the football more effectively,
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Speaker 3: and be able to really blow teams off the ball
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Speaker 3: and revert back to that bullie ball style that they
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Speaker 3: want to be. I do think it can happen, but
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Speaker 3: I don't know that they can get to full strength
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Speaker 3: because there's not enough time in the season, even with
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Speaker 3: the buy to really give afford them. Know the period
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Speaker 3: of time they're going to need to to heal up.
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Speaker 3: It's gonna be probably a grind. But the bye week
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Speaker 3: certainly comes at a good time where they can have
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Speaker 3: a little bit of a little bit of a lull.
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Speaker 1: How would you handle if Batola, if Jurgens can't play,
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Speaker 1: what's the best situation for the offensive line that in your.
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Speaker 3: Mind, I would probably just given the matchup with Dexter
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Speaker 3: Larne being a physical player at the heart of that
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Speaker 3: Giants defensive line, you would probably want to kick Lennon
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Speaker 3: Dickerson from left guard to center and put Brett Toth
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Speaker 3: at left guard. Now, I say that, but historically Jess
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Speaker 3: Allen doesn't like to alter multiple positions for continuity purposes,
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Speaker 3: So you could also look at it and say, why
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Speaker 3: not just keep Brett Toth at center and Landing at guard?
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Speaker 3: Because if you remember back to the first Giants matchup,
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Speaker 3: when Brett Toa started the game at left guard, Jordan
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Speaker 3: my Lapa that didn't necessarily have his best game, and
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Speaker 3: I think a lot of that was because he was
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Speaker 3: trying to help Toth on that left side a little bit.
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Speaker 3: So there are a lot of things to consider. Matt
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Speaker 3: Pryor wouldn't be someone who I would imagine would be
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Speaker 3: considered because he's more of a right side guy. That's
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Speaker 3: where the Eagles have really utilized him in training camp,
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Speaker 3: so that that would really be it. And then Drew.
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Speaker 3: Kendall's a rookie center and he played in just one
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Speaker 3: game this season, just three snaps. I think that was
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Speaker 3: the Giants game where Landon didn't play. So he's not
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Speaker 3: going to be someone that you can really count on
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Speaker 3: at this time, though Nick Sirianni seemed bullish on his progress.
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Speaker 3: So to me, the logical choice is Brett Toath. I
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Speaker 3: would keep Brett toe at left guard.
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Speaker 1: I'll just say, we'll see if they I you know,
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Speaker 1: I was interested to see if they knew Jurgons would
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Speaker 1: be out, if they would make a change instead of
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Speaker 1: just because you know, obviously Toath is more comfortable at
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Speaker 1: playing guard than he is at center.
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Speaker 2: Uh, So we'll see exactly, yeah, and we'll see if.
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Speaker 1: They make that flip or I don't know, do you
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Speaker 1: think Kendall if they know he's gonna play, or is
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Speaker 1: he just not ready in your mind?
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Speaker 3: I don't know that he's ready, okay, And if he were,
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Speaker 3: he would be an immediate reserve on game day. He's
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Speaker 3: he's imagine.
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Speaker 1: The reason he's not a reserve now is because he
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Speaker 1: only plays center right, Well, he plays.
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Speaker 3: Guard too, but he's he's a center by trade, but
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Speaker 3: he does offer some some guard versatility, which we saw
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Speaker 3: in the preseason. But yeah, I mean, I just don't
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Speaker 3: get the sense that he would be in the mix.
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Speaker 3: It would either be Toath or Dickerson, you know, being
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Speaker 3: you know, fulfilling the role as the center and then
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Speaker 3: the other one as the guard. They really like Brett
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Speaker 3: Toath and they've worked with him for a number of
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Speaker 3: years and that is their their most logical option. They
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Speaker 3: don't have a lot there in terms of veteran depth
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Speaker 3: that they can hang their hat on, so that that's
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Speaker 3: kind of going.
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Speaker 2: To be there.
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Speaker 3: They're pairing. They're a little limited there.
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Speaker 1: All right, we'll get you out on this. Andrew de
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Speaker 1: Checko's thought on this game. The Giants won the game handily.
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Speaker 1: Last on, that game wasn't competitive for the most part.
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Speaker 1: They beat you up, up and down the field. Uh,
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Speaker 1: you said at the beginning, you would be shocked to
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Speaker 1: kind of to see a repeat of that. Overall, though,
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Speaker 1: Is Philadelphia's offense the reason why they win this game
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Speaker 1: or does their defense figure it out and just stifle
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Speaker 1: the Giants?
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Speaker 3: I think their defense is really going to rise to
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Speaker 3: the occasion here. I think they're gonna take what what
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Speaker 3: happened personally, not only meet their physicality, but exceed the
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Speaker 3: Giants physicality and and almost make a point that you're
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Speaker 3: not gonna come into linking financial field and and do
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Speaker 3: what you did to you know, to them and at MetLife.
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Speaker 3: So yeah, I feel like you're gonna see them play
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Speaker 3: with the chip on their shoulder. And again I revert
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Speaker 3: back to leaders inherent, leaders like Brandon.
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Speaker 2: Graham and Ni Kobe Dean.
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Speaker 3: Being a big difference in this. Even if Brandon doesn't
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Speaker 3: play in this game, I just think that he's going
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Speaker 3: to be somebody that gets guys going, gets the energy flowing,
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Speaker 3: and then the Kobe on the field really setting the tone.
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Speaker 1: All that.
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Speaker 3: You couple that with having Jalen Carter and a healthy
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Speaker 3: Quinion Mitchell. I think that's a recipe for success.
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Speaker 1: All right, there's Andrew to checko his thought on the
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Speaker 1: Eagles and Giants. You can listen to the game right
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Speaker 1: here on ninety seven three ESPN this weekend. Merril Reech
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Speaker 1: might quick have the call. The cover starts at noon
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Speaker 1: to kick off that one. Andrew, Thanks man, Thanks Mike,
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Speaker 1: well football at For tomorrow, Adam Kaplan will get you
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Speaker 1: all the matchups and the injury report will have that
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