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Huge Mega Flop Doodoo Caca · Like a Virgin

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Speaker 1: This is like a virgin the show where we give
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Speaker 1: keep that good Morning Angels Charlie. Wait, so I'm Charlie
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Speaker 1: but scenario Yeah, but in the reboot, Charlie is a girl.
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Speaker 1: Know when the reboot, Bosley is a girl. Oh it's Elizabeth.
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Speaker 1: Well we'll get to that. Yeah, we will get to
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Speaker 1: the bad Charlie's Angels reboot, but we're going to talk
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Speaker 1: about the good Charlie's Angels reboots, reboots, reboots, the House
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Speaker 1: Down Reboots House Down, starring Cameron Diaz, Lucy lu and
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Speaker 1: Drew Barrymore. Literally, the girls, the girl, not the dolls,
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Speaker 1: but the girls. You're about to say the dolls. They
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Speaker 1: are the dolls, and that There were a series of
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Speaker 1: dolls that were released when Charlie's Angels became a culture phenomena,
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Speaker 1: of course, and I definitely had to buy them in
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Speaker 1: secret and keep them in a shoebox in my closet.
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Speaker 1: I wasn't allowed to have dolls. That was like me
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Speaker 1: with the season six box set of Will and Grace,
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Speaker 1: I had to hide back to season six specifically I owned.
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Speaker 1: I owned no other seasons. It was just the one
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Speaker 1: that was on sale at borders. I think that is
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Speaker 1: such a great depiction of our like hit and queerness
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Speaker 1: of children. We're actually doing this episode because during our
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Speaker 1: come Dump episode someone said we should do Charlie's and
1:31
Speaker 1: we thought that that actually deserved its own full episode.
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Speaker 1: So absolutely here we are. Don't ever say absolutely again.
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Speaker 1: So here we were to talk about it because this
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Speaker 1: is like a Virgin the show where we give yesterday's pops.
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Speaker 1: This is like a virgin show. Oh my god, I'm
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Speaker 1: going to get through it because this is like a
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Speaker 1: Virgin the show where were Fred. I need you to
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Speaker 1: leave the room getting this intro. This is like a
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Speaker 1: Virgin the show we give yesterday's pop culture, today's takes.
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Speaker 1: I'm ros damn you and I'm and I'm fr in
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Speaker 1: Toronto and we are Independent Women Part sixty nine. Absolutely
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Speaker 1: and very absolute. I get to say absolutely will kill you.
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Speaker 1: I was finally granted something I've been wishing for for
2:31
Speaker 1: months or years, because that's how long it seems that
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Speaker 1: the current season of Drag Race has been on. Finally
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Speaker 1: we got a double elimination, although I still could have
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Speaker 1: used a triple. Yeah, I mean a triple would have
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Speaker 1: been Landmark TV. And I also still think they all
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Speaker 1: should be eliminated. Yes, of course, of course, and including
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Speaker 1: Willow Hill, including Willow. Wow, I mean listen, I actually
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Speaker 1: thought her performance on this episode was good enough. I
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Speaker 1: honestly felt like this like wasn't really the episode for
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Speaker 1: a double elimination, Like I kind of felt like Georgia
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Speaker 1: was terrible but tried and maybe should have been safe.
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Speaker 1: But like the roasts are always just you know, unwatchable. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and I think the double elimination we're supposed to understand
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Speaker 1: is just like a consequence of the chocolate bar. Oh yeah,
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Speaker 1: of course they got to get them out somehow, because
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Speaker 1: they keep talking about like, oh my god, we're almost
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Speaker 1: at the end and there's still twelve of them left.
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Speaker 1: I love how even the queens, in a very meta
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Speaker 1: element of the show, are like when are these girls
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Speaker 1: going to get eliminated? Like even the queens are frustrated that,
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Speaker 1: like the girl four years, it's been eighty four years,
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Speaker 1: but alas we now have two eliminations. Wait, who even
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Speaker 1: won this life? It wasn't Willow who won this challenge?
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Speaker 1: Oh Bosco? Who? Yeah? Was fine? The best was the
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Speaker 1: best roast? Truly, Like a roast is not my well,
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Speaker 1: if we're talking about a roast honey um, a Sunday
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Speaker 1: roast in you know, London, England. Absolutely, get me the
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Speaker 1: Yorkshire pudding, get me the blood sausage. I want to
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Speaker 1: eat all of it um with a Scotch egg on
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Speaker 1: the side. No, I do not like roast challenges. I
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Speaker 1: think none of these girls are usually very funny. I
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Speaker 1: also want to know what they are not allowed to say,
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Speaker 1: because you know, no one made a fracking joke. I
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Speaker 1: know that would certainly be my first thing. I'm curious
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Speaker 1: to know, like what material is cleared and what you
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Speaker 1: have to improvise because when we think of in drag Race,
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Speaker 1: hisstory the worst roast of all time, which was queen like,
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Speaker 1: there's no I just forgot about Utica, which I would
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Speaker 1: like to go back to, and we'll go back to
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Speaker 1: as soon as we finished. God, okay, drag Race will
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Speaker 1: end eventually, and as soon as it does, three more
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Speaker 1: seasons will start. It's it's truly like the hydra um
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Speaker 1: of of of Greek mythology. One is defeated and three
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Speaker 1: more spring from its head, speaking of something that honestly
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Speaker 1: last way too long for its own good. The Grammys
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Speaker 1: were the last night as of the day of this recording,
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Speaker 1: all alleges have seen no proof that they happened. Um.
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Speaker 1: I still at the first I heard that they were
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Speaker 1: happening was like when we were still in the thick
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Speaker 1: of the slap discourse this week, and I was like,
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Speaker 1: there's no way that there's another big award show happening
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Speaker 1: this week, and according to you, it is true. I
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Speaker 1: still I still um am suspicious. Yes, I'll give you
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Speaker 1: um maybe at least one highlight, which is that Doja
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Speaker 1: and Sissa an Award for kiss Me More, which is
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Speaker 1: like I think pop level, and it was Doja's first Grammy,
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Speaker 1: and Dojo was late to her receiving of the Grammy
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Speaker 1: because she was taking up his, and so she ran
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Speaker 1: on stage and got up to the mic and was like,
6:19
Speaker 1: that was like the fastest piss I've ever taken in
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Speaker 1: my entire life. And it's so funny because as Sissa
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Speaker 1: was like ascending the stage, like Gaga like pulled out
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Speaker 1: her train for her and like arranged her train, there
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Speaker 1: was like just a big, weird celebrity energy around this. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I know, it was like the most Gaga, like I'm
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Speaker 1: just a subservient, like humble actress, like you know whatever, um,
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Speaker 1: but like it was this big explosive moment um that
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Speaker 1: just made Doja like so so adorable. And it was
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Speaker 1: also just as a clip, like a complete emotional roller
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Speaker 1: coaster because you're like, siss, it's going up, where's Doja? Wait?
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Speaker 1: What's going on? Doja so funny? And then Scissors says something,
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Speaker 1: and then Doja just bursts into tears and like crumbles
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Speaker 1: on stage and a really artful and beautiful way. It
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Speaker 1: made me so happy for her as an artist, as
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Speaker 1: someone who is like so genuinely herself. That song produced
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Speaker 1: by Dr Luke probably probably um but anyways, I I
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Speaker 1: appreciated it as like maybe a key moment from the night.
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Speaker 1: Along with a few Gaga performances, she performed Yes, She
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Speaker 1: performed for her album Love for Sale with Tony Bennett.
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Speaker 1: She did this song. It was more of like a
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Speaker 1: slow tribute that like played images of Tony Bennett in
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Speaker 1: the background as if it was like in Memoriam. Even
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Speaker 1: though I gotta see this, I think we might need
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Speaker 1: to do a live reaction right now. Let me go
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Speaker 1: to pop Crave No, it'll be there. It's funny. It's
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Speaker 1: an in memorium even though Tony Bennett is still alive,
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Speaker 1: still alive, but it's like an in memoriam of like, oh, Tony,
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Speaker 1: you can't perform anymore, but I can. Oh. Here pictures
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Speaker 1: of her with little nots X love. Here's a little
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Speaker 1: clip of her grooving to Justin Bieber. She was really
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Speaker 1: doing a lot of the Grammys, wasn't She was getting
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Speaker 1: selfies for everyone. Okay, Okay, here I found I found it.
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Speaker 1: I'm just watching the whole thing. It's a two minutes long.
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Speaker 1: It's giving a little Yeah, she and Kim should do
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Speaker 1: an album together. Okay, this is I mean, it's good,
8:34
Speaker 1: but it's also kind of like because it's at the Grammys,
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Speaker 1: it's like, Mom, why are you embarrassing me? Yeah? I mean,
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Speaker 1: I love how much energy she put into it. And
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Speaker 1: I also just I mean, I just like, lol, I
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Speaker 1: was stoned when I watched her last night, so I
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Speaker 1: was like lolling the whole way through. I just love
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Speaker 1: how emphatic and like just Billy is a stan um.
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Speaker 1: In terms of the fashions from last night, I mean, Oskaga,
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Speaker 1: like we've seen before, she's giving like classic Hollywood stars
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Speaker 1: wearing Tiffany blue because you know, she's like a Tiffany
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Speaker 1: ambassador or whatever. I'm not sure if you saw Biber
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Speaker 1: wore this like oversized Balencia. Yeah, it was. It was
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Speaker 1: you know, giving like I shop in the big and
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Speaker 1: tall section. The tailoring was like not right. I saw
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Speaker 1: a couple of looks on TikTok and that was one
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Speaker 1: of them. It's it's I mean, it's fine. It's no
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Speaker 1: Gaga oversized sup moment. That's what I was gonna say.
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Speaker 1: I think Gaga had what he wanted. And then Billy
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Speaker 1: kind of wore a better version of what she wore
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Speaker 1: to the Oscars. Like I loved her garment, but it
9:36
Speaker 1: also just looked a lot like what she wore to
9:38
Speaker 1: the Oscars in terms of like shape and vibe. I
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Speaker 1: saw Crew Crazy Tigan's huge pink gown. It's like, Babe,
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Speaker 1: this is the Grammys. This is not the Oscars, and
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Speaker 1: you're not invited to the Oscars. And also fashion is
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Speaker 1: having a moment with this, like think pink like this
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Speaker 1: this funny because of that Valentino where they did all
10:02
Speaker 1: pink yes, and like a lot of these girls are
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Speaker 1: wearing fuchia on the red carpet and I just like,
10:07
Speaker 1: I mean, this is just my personal taste, but I
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Speaker 1: just don't like this kind of pink. But you know
10:11
Speaker 1: who did show all the way up on the red
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Speaker 1: carpet was Joni Mitchell mother. She was yes, she presented
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Speaker 1: an a word and she looked stunning. You should google
10:23
Speaker 1: her outfit. It's very cute. This beret so cute. She's
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Speaker 1: so cute. Oh my god, I love her. Okay, have
10:34
Speaker 1: you been listening to anything fun this weekend? Music wise
10:37
Speaker 1: this weekend? I on Saturday Saturday morning, I was finishing
10:42
Speaker 1: a book and listened to Image and Heat for three hours,
10:45
Speaker 1: which like, send help, but this is Image and Heat.
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Speaker 1: Playlist on Spotify has a lot of the music from
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Speaker 1: the Harry Potter play because I don't know if you
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Speaker 1: know that she did all the music for it. Wait
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Speaker 1: I did not know that. Yeah, so skip a lot
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Speaker 1: of that. Oh god, that sounds. I had no idea
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Speaker 1: that she did the Harry Potter musical Secrets of Dumbledore
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Speaker 1: in theaters next Friday. Oh my god, we will be
11:10
Speaker 1: at the theater, maybe there with poppers, with Poppers in
11:14
Speaker 1: full costume. You'll be just as s as Rita Skeeter.
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Speaker 1: Oh god. Um, Okay, I was listening to the you
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Speaker 1: imagining yourself in full Skeeter Gar Skeeter Gar. But maybe
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Speaker 1: that's what I should start wearing. Gonna go into the
11:33
Speaker 1: office is just rita Skeeter Cosway now, so it would work? Yeah,
11:38
Speaker 1: oh oh yeah, it absolutely would. You'd have to go
11:41
Speaker 1: even blonder, I feel, but the horn rimmed glasses. I
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Speaker 1: do want to get new glasses. Um, what have you
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Speaker 1: been listening to? I listened to Miley's live album that
11:52
Speaker 1: she released. Oh how was that? It was a complete
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Speaker 1: and utter surprise. I loved it like I had. Are
12:01
Speaker 1: you a Miley Girl? Not really? I have like a
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Speaker 1: huge love for her as a vocalist. I think her
12:09
Speaker 1: her voice is so beautiful and singular, and I just
12:14
Speaker 1: don't feel like there's a lot of people doing what
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Speaker 1: she does as a rock vocalist. Um, but I didn't
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Speaker 1: thoroughly consume all of Miley's discography like I I mean, unfortunately,
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Speaker 1: it's the Malibu album. No, it's the Malibu album. I'm
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Speaker 1: I'm I'm a I'm a sucker. I met arguably her
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Speaker 1: worst album. See. But here's the thing, though, is and
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Speaker 1: I don't I don't necessarily I would never claim that
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Speaker 1: this is like Miley's best era or Miley's best genre,
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Speaker 1: but as an artist of many genres who is typically
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Speaker 1: thought of as a pop artist, first, I do love
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Speaker 1: when she goes super hard on rock and country, and like,
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Speaker 1: I guess that's why I loved Younger. Yeah, I mean
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Speaker 1: that definitely. I think was her going back to her
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Speaker 1: country roots after being scorned from society and then Plastic Hearts,
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Speaker 1: the album that she released in I think like she
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Speaker 1: finally figured out who she is as an artist, like,
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Speaker 1: and that is rock and roll. I completely and totally agree.
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Speaker 1: Like I'm kind of I mean, I want Miley to
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Speaker 1: be whatever she wants to be, but I'm like praying
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Speaker 1: that she stays like in this kind of like rock
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Speaker 1: pop hybrid because does she does she revisit any of
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Speaker 1: her like does she on the live album? Does she
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Speaker 1: revisit like bangers stuff through that lens? Yes? She does,
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Speaker 1: And that's kind of like what made the the live
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Speaker 1: album as a whole so satisfying to me. Apparently, she
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Speaker 1: constructed the track list of this concert with her fans,
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Speaker 1: so the track list comprised of like all of her
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Speaker 1: most requested or most beloved covers or songs, and so
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Speaker 1: you know, you get bangers and um Wrecking Ball Party
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Speaker 1: in the USA, but you also get Edge of seventeen
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Speaker 1: Janice Joplin's Maybe, which is my favorite track on the
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Speaker 1: live out. Did she do the Climb? She did do
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Speaker 1: the Climb? Oh my god. The Climb is the song
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Speaker 1: that if it comes on while I'm driving, it's like
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Speaker 1: the volume goes up, the windows go up, and I
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Speaker 1: do a full Grammy nominated performance. I love the Climb
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Speaker 1: so much. Did she do See You Again? She did? So.
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Speaker 1: She did really good um, for lack of a better term,
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Speaker 1: mash ups or rather like two like this half and
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Speaker 1: half songs where the song was one half bang bang
14:45
Speaker 1: allah and and it started out as like bang bang
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Speaker 1: I Shot You Down, and then it went into see
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Speaker 1: You Again, which was like so well done. And she
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Speaker 1: also did a kind of mashup of Wrecking Ball and
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Speaker 1: Shanat O'Connor's nothing Come Hairs to You. Seven Things, Yes, God,
15:03
Speaker 1: Oh my god. I love Seven Things, Joline. I mean
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Speaker 1: that Jolene covered that she did I think it was
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Speaker 1: itself by Southwest. Like that to me is like what
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Speaker 1: I remember as the moment that like truly decontextualized Miley
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Speaker 1: from being Hannah Montana. I think more more even than
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Speaker 1: like the like tongue out like the like I truly think,
15:27
Speaker 1: at least maybe not in more mainstream pop culture, but
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Speaker 1: I think for people who pay attention to the Internet,
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Speaker 1: that's the moment when we were like, oh, right, like
15:37
Speaker 1: she's actually talented, Yeah exactly, and like, you know, Miley
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Speaker 1: is always going to be the tongue out like artists
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Speaker 1: that does things like solely for shock value. But I
15:47
Speaker 1: think her love of like artistic shock value is because
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Speaker 1: she's such a student of pop and of old school
15:56
Speaker 1: rock artists that thrived on shock value in like a
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Speaker 1: pre ancelo culture era did Like a Prayer. Her cover
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Speaker 1: of Like a Prayer literally brought a tear to my eye.
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Speaker 1: I am not joking. I was in my car smoking
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Speaker 1: and bibing out and like tearing up because it's so
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Speaker 1: soulful and well done in terms of like the truck
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Speaker 1: lists as a whole. Like Unfortunately, though I liked a
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Speaker 1: lot of it, her rendition of Bangers is maybe the
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Speaker 1: least interesting kind of reinterpretation of her songs. It's like
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Speaker 1: a little messy and all over the place, but her,
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Speaker 1: but four by four, which starts out with this like
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Speaker 1: really hard and fast country drumline, is so like I
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Speaker 1: was just in it. That was the moment where I
16:44
Speaker 1: was like, I am in this live album and like
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Speaker 1: as a whole belonged to me, belonged to like a
16:53
Speaker 1: cannon of live albums that you know, we went on
16:56
Speaker 1: to love, like Joni Mitchell's like Mile of Aisles, or
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Speaker 1: Um the Rolling Stones live album, Madonna's Confessions Tour live
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Speaker 1: album exactly, which is, like, you know, one of miley
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Speaker 1: stavorite artists. I I definitely need to listen to it,
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Speaker 1: like right after this. I honestly, Miley is kind of
17:13
Speaker 1: one of my favorite girls. I have consistently really liked
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Speaker 1: every era of her music. I think that, like, even
17:22
Speaker 1: though I'm not necessarily as familiar as you are with
17:25
Speaker 1: with Miley's, this kind of compilation really solidified for me
17:32
Speaker 1: the same thing that she is like definitely one of
17:34
Speaker 1: my girls. Like I understood like the ethos behind her
17:38
Speaker 1: music so much more by way of the rock that
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Speaker 1: she loves. And I felt like in this album specifically
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Speaker 1: that her vocals and the way she did every song,
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Speaker 1: which every single song has produced like a classic rock song.
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Speaker 1: I did feel all of the ways that she is
17:59
Speaker 1: in the legacy of you know, rock artists like Jane
18:02
Speaker 1: Jet or whatever the rolling. It's also amazing that she's
18:05
Speaker 1: been so prolific that at such a young age. I mean,
18:09
Speaker 1: obviously she started out very young, but that at such
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Speaker 1: a young age now she can look back at her
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Speaker 1: discography and do something like this. And you know, we
18:18
Speaker 1: see people I think revisit their old work a lot,
18:20
Speaker 1: but I think figuring out the right lens for it
18:24
Speaker 1: once you've, as Miley has done, found the thing that
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Speaker 1: feels the most like real to who she is. It's
18:31
Speaker 1: cool to then see her go look back at her
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Speaker 1: you know, very long career and reinterpret it with this
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Speaker 1: new understanding of who she is as an artist and
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Speaker 1: exactly and she says something to that effect on the
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Speaker 1: live album They have like her concert banter in the
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Speaker 1: album as well, and like she talks about how she's
18:52
Speaker 1: had to try on so many different identities and obviously
18:55
Speaker 1: Miley has made her fair share of mistakes and like
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Speaker 1: the cultural appropriation of it all all and others, but
19:01
Speaker 1: every woman in music has to reinvent themselves like every
19:05
Speaker 1: other year, Like it's just it's a product of the
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Speaker 1: oppression and a product of you know, usually women having
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Speaker 1: to come up when they're extremely young and still figuring
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Speaker 1: out who they are. So I'm happy to see where
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Speaker 1: Miley has arrived, and I don't know, that just made
19:18
Speaker 1: me love her a whole lot. Same so I saw
19:20
Speaker 1: on TikTok someone who I follow, Sativa Diva, who is
19:25
Speaker 1: really funny. You should check them out, talking about art
19:28
Speaker 1: Flag Means Death, which is a new comedy pirate show
19:33
Speaker 1: on Atrio Max. I would say that it's like falling
19:37
Speaker 1: into place with a lot of these other historical retellings
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Speaker 1: that have like contemporary humor and dialogue. What I had
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Speaker 1: heard was that it was very gay, and so I
19:49
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, I can either do my quarterly rewatch
19:52
Speaker 1: the Pirates of the Caribbean, or I could, you know,
19:55
Speaker 1: try out like half hour series about gay pirates. I
20:01
Speaker 1: watched the first episode. I thought it was fine. I
20:04
Speaker 1: just wasn't that interested. Maybe we'll we'll give it like
20:09
Speaker 1: another episode or two to get me interested. I don't know.
20:14
Speaker 1: I watched the first fifteen minutes or so before my
20:17
Speaker 1: takeout arrived, but I I appreciated the humor. It felt
20:22
Speaker 1: very smart to me. It reminded me of like the
20:25
Speaker 1: British Office or like a kind of I don't know,
20:29
Speaker 1: like almost like a mumble core comedy. It's a little
20:33
Speaker 1: Flight of the Conchords, know, yeah, but that the humor
20:37
Speaker 1: is clearly very smart, and I liked that that humor
20:40
Speaker 1: is in place in a period drama about pirates. But yeah,
20:44
Speaker 1: it didn't immediately grab me. Maybe because there are no stars,
20:50
Speaker 1: well no women and no women, Oh my god, I
20:53
Speaker 1: didn't even notice. But that says a lot about me,
20:55
Speaker 1: No doesn't it does because you don't see women. I don't,
20:58
Speaker 1: well women shouldn't you us right now are looking at
21:01
Speaker 1: a floating pair of headphones. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, And
21:04
Speaker 1: Mike that's it. But yeah, I mean, we should watch
21:06
Speaker 1: the second episode together. I think it's it's not an
21:21
Speaker 1: understatement to say that Charlie the first Charlie's Angels, which
21:26
Speaker 1: the year two thousand, which is really started the new
21:31
Speaker 1: Millennia literally, and he was a bomb shell of early
21:34
Speaker 1: odds culture in a crazy way, an explosion, especially especially
21:39
Speaker 1: since which I didn't realize this until after. So I
21:41
Speaker 1: watched both films in quarantine for the first time. Basically
21:45
Speaker 1: I have loose memories of seeing it in the background.
21:48
Speaker 1: My mom and sister watched it and really loved it. Um.
21:51
Speaker 1: But they went and saw it without me, I think
21:53
Speaker 1: in theaters the first time because you weren't allowed because
21:56
Speaker 1: I was like not or they were just like you know,
21:58
Speaker 1: girl time and I was like sand on girls. Um.
22:02
Speaker 1: But like it literally was a a landmark moment in
22:07
Speaker 1: early odds culture and encapsulates so many things that were
22:10
Speaker 1: like important to the early Odds, like with the Well.
22:14
Speaker 1: First of all, it was directed by mcge which I
22:16
Speaker 1: didn't realize who was the director of like smash Mouth
22:20
Speaker 1: music videos and corn famous music video director, which is
22:25
Speaker 1: like also you know, very early odds culture. But I
22:28
Speaker 1: think without Charlie's angels, Like without Charlie's angels, we don't
22:33
Speaker 1: get things like we don't get juicy guitar. No, we
22:36
Speaker 1: don't get the simple life. Honestly, all three of these
22:39
Speaker 1: women they were already stars, but they ascended in this movie.
22:44
Speaker 1: This is what turned them into They were actresses. This
22:49
Speaker 1: made them stars. This made them stars. It made them
22:52
Speaker 1: household names. I mean, they were already stars, but it
22:54
Speaker 1: was like almost like ascension into like a list. They
22:57
Speaker 1: were like they were like the actress version of the
23:00
Speaker 1: Spice Girls. Yeah. And also like, I mean the Destiny's
23:04
Speaker 1: Child in this movie Independent Woman Part one Wow, And
23:09
Speaker 1: that the music video isn't the Destiny's Child music video
23:11
Speaker 1: Charlie's Angels themed, or like, well, I mean the music
23:14
Speaker 1: the song was written for the movie. But this was
23:17
Speaker 1: back in the day when I like that, like the
23:21
Speaker 1: song that was packaged with the movie was important in
23:25
Speaker 1: a way that wasn't just like Oscar Baby, Um, and
23:29
Speaker 1: I will okay, I guess to back up, like um,
23:32
Speaker 1: for the Virgin, we're getting ahead of our We're getting
23:34
Speaker 1: ahead of ourselves, are get ahead ourselves? Are just so excited,
23:36
Speaker 1: so excited for the Virgins. You know, the plot of
23:39
Speaker 1: these movies are actually not that important. Well, I guess
23:42
Speaker 1: maybe let's let's even before that set the cultural context
23:45
Speaker 1: of Charlie. The Charlie's Angels film franchise, which started in
23:49
Speaker 1: the year two thousand, was a movie reboot of the
23:52
Speaker 1: classics seventies TV show Charlie's Angels about a trio of
23:57
Speaker 1: superspy women. Super spy women. They're basically like a trio
24:01
Speaker 1: of privately owned like Lady Cops. Let's not say that
24:04
Speaker 1: they're owned. They are literally owned by Charlie. Hen work
24:08
Speaker 1: for him. No, they literally are owned by him. This
24:11
Speaker 1: movie is I mean, we'll get into it. We'll get
24:13
Speaker 1: into it. Actually. So it's about a trio of women
24:16
Speaker 1: who work for a man named Charlie who they do
24:19
Speaker 1: not know. He only communicates with them through a voice
24:22
Speaker 1: box and his proxy Bosley, and they solve crimes through
24:28
Speaker 1: use of like gadgetry and disguises, lots of sony and
24:35
Speaker 1: the hallmark of the original series, which I've actually never seen,
24:39
Speaker 1: was they used guns, but in the rebooted movies they
24:43
Speaker 1: only use their fists and their wits. It's full handhand come,
24:48
Speaker 1: lots of kicking and the court. The fight corio is
24:51
Speaker 1: amazing in this movie, like and also a lot. They
24:54
Speaker 1: all did a lot of their own stunts like they
24:56
Speaker 1: were they were on wires down. It was this was
25:00
Speaker 1: like Matrix. I think this is because Matrix right after,
25:06
Speaker 1: So this is definitely a post Matrix movie. Um, it
25:09
Speaker 1: was spoofing Matrix in this in both movies, I don't
25:12
Speaker 1: think it was. It was like in conversation, it references
25:17
Speaker 1: moments from the Matrix, But I don't think it's spoofing it.
25:20
Speaker 1: There are moments that lift tropes from the Matrix and
25:24
Speaker 1: put them into the Charlie's Angels movies in a in
25:26
Speaker 1: a very knowing way. It's supposed to be like that,
25:30
Speaker 1: I think. I think it's like more that it is
25:33
Speaker 1: happening in the same time of film history, and it's
25:37
Speaker 1: like lifting literally like the way they were doing special
25:42
Speaker 1: effects at the time, Like the Matrix was the peak
25:46
Speaker 1: of what we had in terms of like c G I,
25:48
Speaker 1: and this is maybe like a filtered down version and
25:52
Speaker 1: following the Matrix, everyone wanted to be like the Matrix.
25:55
Speaker 1: Like everyone wanted action scenes like the Matrix. Everyone wanted
25:58
Speaker 1: to like be that. So yeah, that makes sense. So
26:01
Speaker 1: let's give like a basic plot overview. Although I think
26:04
Speaker 1: these movies are more about vibes than plot. These movies
26:07
Speaker 1: are really disinterested in plot, and also like just rules
26:11
Speaker 1: of conflict are like totally thrown out the window, Like
26:13
Speaker 1: they abandoned plots fully. It's like about jokes, which I
26:17
Speaker 1: really appreciate actually, um, but yeah, the first movie, Bosley
26:20
Speaker 1: basically briefs the girls and he's like, there's this tech
26:23
Speaker 1: bro and his technology was stolen. You have to like
26:26
Speaker 1: rescue him and then figure out where his technology was stolen.
26:30
Speaker 1: And they guess at the very beginning that it's this
26:32
Speaker 1: like evil girl who's like his accomplice or whatever, and
26:36
Speaker 1: they guessed right, and she ends up kind of being
26:39
Speaker 1: the bad girl along with she's kind of like she's
26:42
Speaker 1: like a side character. I would not say she's the villain.
26:45
Speaker 1: She is. She her and her and there are in
26:48
Speaker 1: a romantic relationship, but she's like she's an accomplice. She's not.
26:53
Speaker 1: She's not the girl in the way that that you know,
26:56
Speaker 1: Demi Moore is the girl in se That's true, that's sure. Yeah,
27:00
Speaker 1: she's a little secondary um, but yeah. And then and
27:03
Speaker 1: then the plot that follows is really actually like completely nonsensical.
27:07
Speaker 1: They just basically like fight and seduce men over and
27:10
Speaker 1: over again to kind of find these little clues along
27:14
Speaker 1: the way before they, you know, it becomes known to
27:17
Speaker 1: them that they're being set up and the whole the
27:20
Speaker 1: whole mission was a set up to find Charlie and
27:24
Speaker 1: kill him. Yes, and I would say it's not so
27:26
Speaker 1: much a seduction as a titilation. Um. They definitely they
27:30
Speaker 1: weaponize their sensuality more than their sexuality, you know, I
27:36
Speaker 1: think let's let's start with that because I want I'm
27:40
Speaker 1: not sure. I'm not sure about like I feel like
27:44
Speaker 1: this movie. Um well, okay, I'll ask you first. What
27:48
Speaker 1: is your relationship to Charlie's Angels aside from the dolls? Yeah,
27:53
Speaker 1: well I loved I saw the movies when they came out,
27:55
Speaker 1: loved them, was like consumed everything I could about them. Um,
28:00
Speaker 1: you know they are I think of this era some
28:03
Speaker 1: of my favorite movies. Yeah, and the movies that are
28:06
Speaker 1: like horrendously problematic and yet you will rewatch them over
28:11
Speaker 1: and over again, like they really are in my opinion
28:14
Speaker 1: that good, having as someone who watched them recently, not
28:17
Speaker 1: really like at the time they came out. They're very
28:20
Speaker 1: of their time, yes, yeah yeah, um, But like on
28:24
Speaker 1: the sensuality of it all, it's really interesting because the
28:26
Speaker 1: original seventies show was like, you know, the the biggest
28:33
Speaker 1: the reason it was such a hit, or the first
28:35
Speaker 1: season was a hit until fair Face that left it, Um,
28:38
Speaker 1: was because it was just like women and like scantily
28:41
Speaker 1: clad clothing, solving crimes and stuff like that, and like
28:45
Speaker 1: their whole like it actually was a part of like
28:49
Speaker 1: an era of what they called jiggle television, which is
28:52
Speaker 1: like The Bay Watches and The Wonder Woman's of the World,
28:56
Speaker 1: where like it was just like watching women in like
28:59
Speaker 1: tight clothing, you know, jump around in like solve crimes
29:02
Speaker 1: or whatever or like be kind of badasses and I
29:05
Speaker 1: And so when they redid it in two thousand, they
29:09
Speaker 1: kind of almost like they really borrowed from that that
29:13
Speaker 1: kind of like that part of the appeal and then
29:16
Speaker 1: made it kind of like self aware and funny and
29:20
Speaker 1: and weird at times, Like it's a very like Zany movie,
29:25
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like all three of them
29:26
Speaker 1: are giving like cartoon totally. I think a lot of
29:31
Speaker 1: reboots that we have today are really hard reboots where
29:34
Speaker 1: they take the like essence of something but really place
29:37
Speaker 1: it in the modern era. And I think what Charlie's
29:41
Speaker 1: Angels did really well and that actually radiated out to
29:45
Speaker 1: the culture was brought a very seventies sensibility along with
29:51
Speaker 1: I guess like the framework of the story. And I
29:54
Speaker 1: would say that Charlie's Angels kind of jump started like
29:58
Speaker 1: a sort of seventies revive liable in pop culture that
30:03
Speaker 1: we're now seeing again because of like the twenty or trendcycle.
30:07
Speaker 1: Um like like this is kind of around the same
30:10
Speaker 1: time as like Madonna's Um music albums Boston Powers era too. Yeah. Okay, yeah,
30:18
Speaker 1: well that was like maybe that was more like late nineties,
30:22
Speaker 1: but it's yeah, it's kind of all the same time,
30:24
Speaker 1: and we're now also seeing that seventies revival happening now
30:28
Speaker 1: in fashion and like kind of in music too. There's
30:31
Speaker 1: something really interesting to me about like how the girls
30:34
Speaker 1: like sexuality plays into the movie, and I think that
30:38
Speaker 1: there is a big dissonance between what the writer's intents
30:44
Speaker 1: were and how we actually consume it, you know, especially
30:48
Speaker 1: in because this movie was written by three white guys,
30:52
Speaker 1: and a lot of the things that happened to the
30:55
Speaker 1: girls are products of like a male imagination, like like
31:00
Speaker 1: shaking your ass for no one and being like a
31:03
Speaker 1: bimbo to like the mail guy being like, oh yeah,
31:05
Speaker 1: you can put the package in my slot, you know,
31:07
Speaker 1: or like I mean, they're constantly naked for no reason.
31:11
Speaker 1: There's like tons of like camera angles on their body
31:14
Speaker 1: for no reason, and like and then a majority of
31:19
Speaker 1: the steps that they take in the first movie to
31:22
Speaker 1: solve the plot involve them seducing men or tricking them
31:28
Speaker 1: into you know, like using their basically how hot they are.
31:31
Speaker 1: What I mean when I say that, I think it's
31:33
Speaker 1: more like like um sensuality than sexuality, And I don't
31:37
Speaker 1: really see it a seduction. Is that Like, yes, I
31:40
Speaker 1: agree that this movie very much like is the male
31:44
Speaker 1: gaze is all over it, but it's like it's more
31:47
Speaker 1: like bending over a car to show your tips than
31:51
Speaker 1: like giving someone a lap dance. Like there there it
31:55
Speaker 1: is like a very wink wink. It's horny, but I
32:00
Speaker 1: don't think it fucks yeah, it's it's horny too comical degree,
32:04
Speaker 1: like they these women are comedically hot, like the number
32:07
Speaker 1: of times they like take off their helmet to like
32:09
Speaker 1: swish their hair or whatever, like it's hilarious. And I think, actually,
32:14
Speaker 1: like part of it is that these women are such
32:17
Speaker 1: stars that like their charisma, unique servan talent kind of
32:23
Speaker 1: overpowers the male gaze of the directors and the writers
32:27
Speaker 1: a little bit. And what it is is they were
32:30
Speaker 1: in on the joke. They were in on the joke
32:32
Speaker 1: that like a lot of women in a way that
32:35
Speaker 1: a lot of women in film don't always get to
32:37
Speaker 1: be when the film is about the male gaze. Yeah,
32:41
Speaker 1: and I think that they took what we're extremely underwritten characters, right,
32:46
Speaker 1: Like the movie has like no brain And I don't
32:48
Speaker 1: say that in a pejorative way, like I like no
32:51
Speaker 1: brain culture. I love idiot culture, like I like consuming
32:54
Speaker 1: movies that are that easy. But like I totally agree that,
32:58
Speaker 1: like these women are so have nothing going on in
33:03
Speaker 1: their inner lives and and then they all have like
33:05
Speaker 1: you know, little dating montages where they have like boy problems.
33:08
Speaker 1: I have nothing to do with the plot, but the
33:10
Speaker 1: three stars in this movie fill in so many blanks
33:14
Speaker 1: with their performances and with the like very like singular
33:19
Speaker 1: and like totally off the cuff wacky things that they
33:21
Speaker 1: do in terms of like acting choices that are just
33:24
Speaker 1: like endlessly fun to watch, especially Drew. I mean, Cameron
33:29
Speaker 1: is also just like such a cartoon but like Drew
33:31
Speaker 1: to me is like the Cameron is. It's really funny
33:36
Speaker 1: now looking back on it and the like who these
33:38
Speaker 1: women are in pop culture now because Cameron is very
33:42
Speaker 1: obviously the star of these movies, like she has the
33:46
Speaker 1: center position. But I think because of these movies, like
33:50
Speaker 1: these women all got on the like the same level
33:54
Speaker 1: of fame after these movies, and it's just interesting to
33:58
Speaker 1: see where their careers have gone now where, Like Cameron
34:01
Speaker 1: ds doesn't act anymore. She has like a wine company.
34:05
Speaker 1: M Drew is a talk show host. And Lucy does
34:09
Speaker 1: TV TV and lesbian art. What does she do on TV?
34:13
Speaker 1: She's on was on I don't know if it's still
34:16
Speaker 1: on the air. She was on the Sherlock Holmes TV
34:19
Speaker 1: show Elementary. Yes, but if you also just google Watson,
34:22
Speaker 1: if you google like Lucy lou like painting or whatever
34:25
Speaker 1: she has, Like so she's several pieces of extremely sapphic
34:29
Speaker 1: art and I love What I love about um these
34:32
Speaker 1: movies is like these girls are best friends because of
34:35
Speaker 1: them in a real way. And like when Drew launched
34:39
Speaker 1: her TV show, they all reunited for an interview where
34:43
Speaker 1: Cameron was like, c G, I'd in wait was she
34:47
Speaker 1: really was this pandemic times or something? Or oh that sucks?
34:51
Speaker 1: I forgot about that. Yeah, I just I feel like,
34:54
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't want to get into the reboot yet,
34:56
Speaker 1: Like I mean the reboot reboot the Kristin Stewart one,
34:58
Speaker 1: but like I think it's a lot of what that
35:00
Speaker 1: one lacked is that these three women were arrived like stars,
35:05
Speaker 1: and then what they did with like a kind of
35:09
Speaker 1: you know, very male. Script was like so sublime and
35:14
Speaker 1: like completely I don't know, transformative, Like if we had
35:17
Speaker 1: gotten different actresses, like if it had been Thanny Newton
35:20
Speaker 1: instead of Lucy lu which is like I just like
35:22
Speaker 1: it would have been different, you know what I mean.
35:24
Speaker 1: Cameron Diaz, I mean like she played kind of a
35:27
Speaker 1: very similar character. And the sweetest thing like this was
35:30
Speaker 1: these were roles that were interesting to her that she
35:33
Speaker 1: wanted to do something with and like Lucy Lou and
35:36
Speaker 1: like something like um, kill Bill or whatever, Like she's
35:40
Speaker 1: sucking smart and she knows like what she can do
35:43
Speaker 1: with like a complex like role about a woman that
35:47
Speaker 1: like you know, is like a badass or whatever. I
35:49
Speaker 1: also said about something recently that um something was like
35:53
Speaker 1: post Spice Girls, girl power, and like this movie is
35:58
Speaker 1: very that And that's why they're in on the joke,
36:01
Speaker 1: because this was a time in pop culture where there
36:04
Speaker 1: was like a mainstream movement of female empowerment that was
36:09
Speaker 1: like a little shallow um but still existed, and this
36:14
Speaker 1: movie definitely feels like a byproduct of that. Even though
36:29
Speaker 1: this was like one of the most successful movies of
36:32
Speaker 1: the year. Two Bounds and like the movie was critically
36:35
Speaker 1: like made fun of, like immensely, like people like I
36:39
Speaker 1: knew it was very dumb, and I think that like
36:41
Speaker 1: people liked to exactly what you said. I think people
36:44
Speaker 1: caught onto that component of it, but we didn't care.
36:47
Speaker 1: And I think that rewatching it now in there are
36:51
Speaker 1: there are a lot of tropes in it that are
36:53
Speaker 1: actually more resonant to the way we talk about and
36:57
Speaker 1: enjoy things now. The things that we find funny are
37:00
Speaker 1: somewhat even funnier now in terms of like I think
37:03
Speaker 1: I'm thinking specifically of the bimbo ifacation of like are
37:08
Speaker 1: you know internet talk right now and how we're identifying
37:12
Speaker 1: as bimbos on TikTok and on Instagram or whatever. We're
37:15
Speaker 1: reclaiming this like kind of sexuality because it's like bimbo
37:19
Speaker 1: for it's like bimbos for the consumption of bimbos, not
37:23
Speaker 1: for the consumption of men. And so it almost is
37:26
Speaker 1: like when you're watching this movie, they're not giving to
37:30
Speaker 1: the performance to the men, you know what I mean,
37:32
Speaker 1: Like that's kind of what it feels like. It's like
37:34
Speaker 1: there's a zane nous too, especially someone like Drew Barrymore
37:38
Speaker 1: in the movie where that doesn't feel sexy, it feels
37:42
Speaker 1: knowingly comedic and like totally in her own kind of
37:46
Speaker 1: like power. And I think it's also just like another
37:50
Speaker 1: layer that they're exploiting the idiocy and horny nous of
37:54
Speaker 1: men for their benefit, you know, like theyre they know
37:57
Speaker 1: how to kind of like usurp the situation. It's it's
38:00
Speaker 1: kind of like the perfect storm. Like I think the
38:03
Speaker 1: planet's really aligned on this one, and if maybe one
38:07
Speaker 1: thing had been off, it just would not have worked.
38:10
Speaker 1: As like you kind of seeing the sequel, which, like
38:15
Speaker 1: I love Charlie's Angels full throttle, it's definitely not as
38:19
Speaker 1: good of a movie and it's like much more of
38:21
Speaker 1: a so bad it's good kind of movie. Um. In
38:26
Speaker 1: the sequel, you have Demi Moore as um, a fallen angel,
38:30
Speaker 1: you know, she's like a former angel who turns out
38:32
Speaker 1: to be the villain. And the I think it's just
38:38
Speaker 1: um two it's like to self aware or no. I
38:45
Speaker 1: think maybe like the first one is more self aware
38:48
Speaker 1: and the second one is like buying into its own
38:50
Speaker 1: bullshit a little bit. I think for me, it's like
38:53
Speaker 1: there's an off the rails nous in the first movie
38:56
Speaker 1: that was so rewarded that they kind of take it
39:00
Speaker 1: too far. In the second movie, they really discard the
39:04
Speaker 1: audiences intelligence, you know what I mean. It's like the
39:08
Speaker 1: plot really doesn't matter. In the second one. You know
39:11
Speaker 1: some I mean great visual moments like Demi Moore with
39:14
Speaker 1: the surfboard is so hot. I've some great lines for
39:18
Speaker 1: saying I was never good. I was great. Yeah, there
39:22
Speaker 1: are a lot of good lines in both of the movies.
39:23
Speaker 1: I remember one of I can't remember the name of
39:25
Speaker 1: the villain lady in the first movie, but she says like,
39:27
Speaker 1: don't send a man to do a woman's job. Like
39:30
Speaker 1: they're just lots very like the the whole thing of
39:33
Speaker 1: the movie. Yeah, I loved In the first movie, there's
39:37
Speaker 1: this moment where Lucy is like, for some reason unknown
39:41
Speaker 1: to me, there's a company that hires her as a
39:43
Speaker 1: like an efficiency expert. When she walks into Baraco. Oh
39:48
Speaker 1: my god, that is like one of the hottest things
39:50
Speaker 1: that I've ever been captured on films. With the riding
39:53
Speaker 1: crop and with Cameron Diaz Andrew Barrymore behind her in
39:56
Speaker 1: Drag also early Melissa McCarthy McCarthy is is and not um.
40:02
Speaker 1: She has like three lines. There's like a lot of
40:04
Speaker 1: weird like um, you know, kind of pre famous people
40:07
Speaker 1: like Shyla Buff's in the second one. Oh yeah, Crispin Glovers,
40:12
Speaker 1: the weird the um Tim Curry was famous at the time,
40:18
Speaker 1: but like he was in this, he was in the
40:20
Speaker 1: first one also put post or like I guess this
40:23
Speaker 1: was maybe during friends. Matt le Blanc, Ye, Matt la Honestly, Okay,
40:27
Speaker 1: here's the thing. Actually, there are a lot of I
40:30
Speaker 1: feel like Cameron Diaz, Matt le Blanc and Tim Curry
40:34
Speaker 1: are like a great treat of like idiot culture movies.
40:37
Speaker 1: Like they kind of only do very movies that you
40:41
Speaker 1: have to like concede your own like cognitive thinking skills
40:46
Speaker 1: in order to enjoy. I don't I don't know if
40:49
Speaker 1: I I don't think I want you speaking on camera
40:51
Speaker 1: dias like that name a movie that wasn't um being
40:56
Speaker 1: John Malkovich that camera did that was like a prestige
40:59
Speaker 1: performance or in her shoes. Yeah, I mean that is
41:03
Speaker 1: a stunning the holiday shut the funk up, that is
41:08
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not again I have to say when
41:10
Speaker 1: I say things are idiotic, that is a high compliment.
41:14
Speaker 1: In my book, it feels judgment adult to me. No, no, no,
41:17
Speaker 1: I am an idiot. Rose, you know this, I know this.
41:21
Speaker 1: I don't know. I really pride myself on being a
41:25
Speaker 1: very smart idiot. I I like things that combine idiot
41:29
Speaker 1: culture and like things that you know, you can intellectualize.
41:32
Speaker 1: I mean, I do think we can take a moment
41:34
Speaker 1: to talk about the careers that these women have had.
41:37
Speaker 1: Cameron Diaz, you know, was a movie star, Like she
41:43
Speaker 1: was one of the A list girls, you know, Drew
41:46
Speaker 1: she had already started her like ascent back into superstardom
41:51
Speaker 1: after her like you know, troubled teenage years. And I
41:55
Speaker 1: think actually Flower Films, her production company produced Charlie Angels. Yeah,
42:01
Speaker 1: she's probably like one of the engines that like this.
42:05
Speaker 1: She was asked after Elizabeth Banks decided she was going
42:08
Speaker 1: to do it, she was asked to be an executive
42:10
Speaker 1: producer that makes sense us. And then Lucy she was
42:16
Speaker 1: a TV girl because she was on Ally McBeal, and
42:19
Speaker 1: then I think this was her big film breakthrough Allie mcbell.
42:23
Speaker 1: I've actually never seen Ally mcgeil. I used to watch
42:26
Speaker 1: it when my parents watched it. I mean it's like,
42:29
Speaker 1: you know, a weird law procedural. It was workplace where
42:34
Speaker 1: I thought it had like their disguises, they're no, no, no, yeah,
42:39
Speaker 1: it's about it's about a law firm and like everyone
42:43
Speaker 1: sleeping together. We thought it was about spies. Allie mcbell
42:50
Speaker 1: who plays Ali again Callista Flockhart. That is not a
42:54
Speaker 1: name name. Say it again, Callista Flockhart. She's married to
42:58
Speaker 1: Harrison Force. It sounds like like you sneezed or something.
43:03
Speaker 1: Lista Flockhart and Jane kirk House also, um okay, since
43:10
Speaker 1: this is yesterday's pop culture with today's takes, we have
43:13
Speaker 1: to like briefly acknowledge that, like this movie is like
43:18
Speaker 1: egregiously racist, like these women. So first of all, I
43:23
Speaker 1: mean I could do the laundry list. But like the opening,
43:26
Speaker 1: the opening scene is has like a great LLL cool
43:30
Speaker 1: J cameo where he like jumps Sado plane and like
43:32
Speaker 1: saves people from this bomb and then they land in
43:34
Speaker 1: the in this boat off of the plane and L
43:38
Speaker 1: cool J route takes off his mask to reveal himself
43:42
Speaker 1: to this movie was huge for boats, huge for boats,
43:46
Speaker 1: huge form white women pretending to be ethnicities that that
43:50
Speaker 1: end races that they're not huge for boats because then
43:52
Speaker 1: Tom Green also later has a boat. Oh really and
43:56
Speaker 1: Tom Green? This was when Tom Green and Drew Barrymore
43:59
Speaker 1: were married. Oh Chad, right, Okay, yeah, okay, so that's
44:05
Speaker 1: like anyways, this L cool J moment is like the
44:09
Speaker 1: casting the first time, And again I have to say
44:11
Speaker 1: I'm like, I think I want to acknowledge these things,
44:15
Speaker 1: not because I'm like canceled. You're not allowed to enjoy
44:18
Speaker 1: this movie. As we always say, it's just like important
44:20
Speaker 1: that the context sticks to it when we like talk
44:23
Speaker 1: about it. But like, I mean, they is there's a
44:27
Speaker 1: moment where they all dress up in kimonos and I
44:30
Speaker 1: think I'm turning Japanese plays on the soundtrack. There is
44:34
Speaker 1: a moment where Drew Barrymore is a literal brown face
44:38
Speaker 1: when they're all belly dancers, which also doesn't make why
44:41
Speaker 1: are the other two girls not in brown face? Like
44:44
Speaker 1: why was Drew was like like, I'm the one that's
44:49
Speaker 1: gonna do this. I was so confused by that. Um
44:54
Speaker 1: there is just like there's a moment where Cameron Diaz
44:58
Speaker 1: gets on soul train and she starts dancing to anaconda
45:02
Speaker 1: and all the black people in the room were like,
45:04
Speaker 1: what's going on? And then they all sharing for no reason,
45:08
Speaker 1: which like I will never be mad about Cameron Diaz,
45:12
Speaker 1: like you know, dance sequence, but like why did the
45:15
Speaker 1: writers go out of their way to do this so
45:19
Speaker 1: many times? Also, is her love interest Luke Wilson or
45:22
Speaker 1: Owen Wilson. I can never I can never figure out
45:25
Speaker 1: which one is. It's Luke and he's stunning. I think
45:28
Speaker 1: I like Owen more because of his big nose. Yeah,
45:32
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, as we've said before, Alan Wilson does
45:35
Speaker 1: have the quintessential shovel face. Anyways, a lot of things
45:39
Speaker 1: like that in the movie. Um, even honestly, well, I
45:42
Speaker 1: was going to say the Dominatrix thing is like a
45:44
Speaker 1: little fetishistic, but like, for the most part, it's just
45:47
Speaker 1: like the movie. No, it's just hot. It's just hot.
45:49
Speaker 1: It is so hot. Come on, yeah, yeah, you're like,
45:51
Speaker 1: don't ruin everything. What I'm mostly trying to say is
45:54
Speaker 1: the movie was very evidently written by three white guys,
45:57
Speaker 1: three straight white guys. Actually, I think John August is gay, um,
46:01
Speaker 1: but he's like a dungeon and Dragon's gay, So I
46:03
Speaker 1: think that kind of says a lot. The fight scenes
46:23
Speaker 1: are very iconic, and they performed them all in like
46:26
Speaker 1: stiletto heels, so funny, so like another way that like
46:31
Speaker 1: that is something that really hits in twenty one. The
46:34
Speaker 1: disguises that they wear are incredible and like iconic. They
46:39
Speaker 1: are Look, they are just so hot. They are so hot.
46:44
Speaker 1: The scene where they're at the race track, Oh my god, incredible,
46:48
Speaker 1: I mean each And in the second movie when they're
46:51
Speaker 1: in the like leader hosen dresses. Wow, yet another culture
46:57
Speaker 1: that they rading yodelers. Wait, no, that's in the first movie. Yeah,
47:03
Speaker 1: the first in the first way because Bill Murray, I
47:06
Speaker 1: guess Bill Murray didn't return. That was them seducing another
47:09
Speaker 1: random guy by being like sexy leader house and girls
47:12
Speaker 1: that like spank each other and stuff. Again, like I
47:15
Speaker 1: just I loved it, but because of the bimbo thing.
47:18
Speaker 1: It's so good. But you know what, you know what
47:20
Speaker 1: I didn't love because it does not lean into the
47:23
Speaker 1: bim bonus of it all was the two thousand nineteen
47:28
Speaker 1: remake starring Kristen Stewart. And listen on this on this podcast,
47:37
Speaker 1: This is a Christian Stewart stand podcast. We are Chrisbians,
47:41
Speaker 1: Um we lift Christin Stewart up in celebration even though
47:45
Speaker 1: you know we're down bad because she lost the Oscar.
47:49
Speaker 1: But the Charlie's Angels reboot that she started was a
47:53
Speaker 1: huge mega flop in in in industry terms, what we
47:56
Speaker 1: would call a huge mega flop dodo cock up cataclysmically
48:04
Speaker 1: um financially a loss for everyone involved. It's like, honestly,
48:09
Speaker 1: it's not even then, it's like offensively bad. It's just nothing.
48:15
Speaker 1: It's boring, the worst thing it could be, worst thing, yes, yes,
48:21
Speaker 1: so boring. So it's like it actually maybe like a
48:26
Speaker 1: jump started girl Boss culture um like culture. It was
48:34
Speaker 1: the inciting incident. It's it's really I can't remember a
48:39
Speaker 1: single thing that happened in it, I when I tell you,
48:41
Speaker 1: And actually the only thing I can remember is the
48:44
Speaker 1: Verne Cox showing up at the end, which good for her.
48:47
Speaker 1: I hope the check cleared, like the final like that.
48:50
Speaker 1: I don't really, I don't even remember. At the end,
48:53
Speaker 1: there's like a montage of all of the new angels
48:57
Speaker 1: that are like in an operation, and Laverne is one
49:01
Speaker 1: of them. I was very stoned when I watched the movie.
49:03
Speaker 1: But I I absolutely and this is no exaggeration, retained
49:08
Speaker 1: not one single moment, set piece, scene, plot point, character name, nothing.
49:13
Speaker 1: I saw an advanced press screening of it, and I
49:19
Speaker 1: was just flabbergasted how bad it was. And I think, here,
49:24
Speaker 1: here's the thing, is that this is like a comment,
49:26
Speaker 1: this is a recurring theme on like a Virgin is
49:28
Speaker 1: like people set out to make reboots and they spend
49:31
Speaker 1: a hundred percent of their energy worrying about how they're
49:35
Speaker 1: going to fix the old thing instead of just making
49:38
Speaker 1: a good movie. Yeah, and that's what I think is
49:41
Speaker 1: great about the two tho movies. It's not trying to
49:45
Speaker 1: fix there's no intention. I mean not to excuse all
49:48
Speaker 1: the egregiously like racist things, but like it's like it
49:51
Speaker 1: has no intention in doing no, it's just trying to
49:53
Speaker 1: be fun. Yeah, and it was. It was not stuff
49:55
Speaker 1: fun And like I think, you know, I personally think
49:59
Speaker 1: that that this has to be this is a director problem.
50:02
Speaker 1: Like I'm sorry Elizabeth Banks, like we're proud of you,
50:05
Speaker 1: but like this is this is a director problem. And
50:09
Speaker 1: as I kind of alluded to earlier, it's a casting problem.
50:13
Speaker 1: Like I love case do, but this was not the
50:17
Speaker 1: role for her. I think she was fine. I don't
50:20
Speaker 1: know who, well, who were the other two specifically do
50:23
Speaker 1: you remember that was fine? What? What do you what
50:26
Speaker 1: did you retain that you thought so great? Where he
50:29
Speaker 1: was fine? I was just happy to be looking at her.
50:32
Speaker 1: But oh, that's an interesting answer. Do you remember you know,
50:35
Speaker 1: an outfit, a line, a moment, a motivation. Do you
50:38
Speaker 1: remember anything that Christian Stewart did in this I remember
50:41
Speaker 1: there's a scene where she like flirts with some girl. Yeah,
50:45
Speaker 1: I remember, I actually don't. I probably completely misremembering this,
50:49
Speaker 1: but I remember her being kind of like a like
50:52
Speaker 1: a womanizing lesbian, like she's like she's giving the England
51:00
Speaker 1: in the Batman. But but literally, who were the other
51:06
Speaker 1: two women in this movie? That's the thing that was
51:09
Speaker 1: the problem is like they were there was no charisma,
51:12
Speaker 1: unique as a rman talent. Yes, I want to know
51:14
Speaker 1: who the other girls on deck were, because these girls
51:16
Speaker 1: are I'm sorry, nobody's no one has ever heard of
51:20
Speaker 1: these other two women. And then like, we commend you
51:24
Speaker 1: for like inclusive casting, but we how can we commend
51:28
Speaker 1: it if it didn't even if it if none of
51:32
Speaker 1: that translate inclusively cast better actress. Yes, there's so many
51:36
Speaker 1: other amazing women that could have been in this movie
51:40
Speaker 1: that we're stars and I really do feel like because
51:43
Speaker 1: the plot isn't that important, the movie necessitates stars and
51:48
Speaker 1: so like Christian Stewart, in my opinion, is like the
51:51
Speaker 1: right direction. Like she's someone who can be in action
51:54
Speaker 1: and like she can play a badass. And I like
51:57
Speaker 1: that they made the character like a lesbian or by two,
52:00
Speaker 1: but like it was unspecified and specified, which is so annoying,
52:04
Speaker 1: Like that's so toothless. Um but like she's not Christmas
52:08
Speaker 1: Ward's not funny. She's not funny. She's not she's the
52:12
Speaker 1: most she's an incredible actress, but she's not funny. Yes, yes, exactly,
52:18
Speaker 1: and and and she does not and she does not
52:21
Speaker 1: have the kind of presence that you know, Drew Cameron
52:26
Speaker 1: and Lucy had. But I will say, if there's one
52:29
Speaker 1: thing this movie did get right, is that they really
52:32
Speaker 1: fed the rnators. Okay, oh my god, that song with
52:37
Speaker 1: with um Ari Lana and Miley and Miley, Oh my god,
52:43
Speaker 1: the only like semi good thing to come out of
52:46
Speaker 1: this movie. And even still that song is like and
52:48
Speaker 1: not great. Ari executive produced the soundtrack, which is why
52:51
Speaker 1: she's on five of the songs, on on one of
52:55
Speaker 1: the songs. Okay, yeah, but this, so it's kind of
53:00
Speaker 1: a Dr Luke production as well. Yeah, but um, you
53:03
Speaker 1: know the movie in that music video is just so stupid.
53:09
Speaker 1: It's like one of these things is not like the other.
53:12
Speaker 1: She's like it's like the music video takes a xan
53:16
Speaker 1: X and she appears and I love Lana. I am
53:20
Speaker 1: a Laana Neator. I thought a lot of was I
53:22
Speaker 1: thought a lot of I thought Lana was kind of
53:24
Speaker 1: good in that in the in the song too, from
53:26
Speaker 1: what I remember, but I mean, honestly, it was it
53:28
Speaker 1: was during a weird era for Lana. It was during
53:30
Speaker 1: the honeymoon period, which I you know, should have been
53:33
Speaker 1: one of the other girls, honestly. Okay, So when when
53:37
Speaker 1: this movie is inevitably when Charlie's Angels is rebooted again
53:41
Speaker 1: in another you know, twenty years, I think we should
53:44
Speaker 1: write the script and it should be an all male reboot.
53:48
Speaker 1: Did you know that they literally actually tried to make
53:50
Speaker 1: an all male reboot of Charlie's Angels in the seventies.
53:53
Speaker 1: I didn't. Yeah, Um, isn't just like James Bond Charlie's
53:57
Speaker 1: Angels and all males literally every act movie is an
54:01
Speaker 1: all male reboot. The Kingsman. So when we make it,
54:05
Speaker 1: when we make it in twenty all of the angels
54:10
Speaker 1: are non binary, one of them the one of them
54:14
Speaker 1: is non binary, one of them is transfem. Yeah, it
54:17
Speaker 1: has to be two different kinds of nonminarya and then
54:19
Speaker 1: one of them is I think we need assist. We
54:23
Speaker 1: need assist person to you know, ground everyone, because two
54:26
Speaker 1: non binary people aren't going to get anything done. Okay,
54:30
Speaker 1: sis lesbian um who's starring at it? Well, let's think
54:34
Speaker 1: of like famous children, so be non binary. Blue Ivy
54:40
Speaker 1: Carter is one of them. Oh Blue would and you know,
54:47
Speaker 1: because we got to keep the girls young. Well, let's
54:50
Speaker 1: say for the sake of the exercise that the reboot's
54:53
Speaker 1: happening now. Okay, so we're making it today. We're making
54:57
Speaker 1: a new Charlie's Angels. They're bimbos. The gotta all be bimbos. Okay,
55:02
Speaker 1: So one of them is Addison Ray. Okay, Addison Ray,
55:06
Speaker 1: Willow Willow Smith, you think, but can Willow act? Probably?
55:14
Speaker 1: Can she be funny? Okay? Maybe we need a bigger
55:17
Speaker 1: what about Oh I was if you said, okay, hunter
55:21
Speaker 1: shape for Hunter could be funny, I was going to
55:24
Speaker 1: actually say trace less at Sidney Sweeney. Sydney Sweeney. Okayney
55:31
Speaker 1: Sweeney is the the Cameron, but she's not the center. Okay, no, no,
55:36
Speaker 1: she's also playing lesbian. Okay. I was gonna say, Synda,
55:39
Speaker 1: we'll just do the cast of Euphoria. No, no, no,
55:42
Speaker 1: I actually don't think Hunters right for them. No, I
55:44
Speaker 1: don't think so either. I think she's also she could
55:46
Speaker 1: be funny, but she's not funny enough. I think it's
55:49
Speaker 1: because I want this to be an action comedy. Mikaela
55:51
Speaker 1: j is actually such a funny person and we didn't
55:56
Speaker 1: really get to see that in Pose as much. And
55:58
Speaker 1: I feel like MJ has like a a quanky something.
56:03
Speaker 1: You know. Who I would actually rather have is um Hayley,
56:06
Speaker 1: who played Lulu on Pose. I kind of think that
56:10
Speaker 1: she I has some comedic chops and I think I
56:14
Speaker 1: would love to see her do action and she is
56:18
Speaker 1: maybe like the seductress of the group. Yeah, honestly, does
56:21
Speaker 1: that mean Harry's going to be Bosley? Harry is just
56:25
Speaker 1: gonna appear in every reboot we try, and and then
56:27
Speaker 1: I think we do need a woman in Stem as
56:30
Speaker 1: the as like the third as the third girl. Yeah, actually,
56:34
Speaker 1: one of the Angels should be a fag. She's one
56:38
Speaker 1: of the girls, you know. Yeah it's or No, Actually,
56:41
Speaker 1: I think a Bosley should be a fag. Bosley is
56:44
Speaker 1: played by Neil Patrick Harri. I like the idea, but
56:49
Speaker 1: of a fag doing it, but after Neil did the Matrix,
56:51
Speaker 1: I don't don't want him. Not Neil, don't fag cast
56:56
Speaker 1: in anything ever again. Um. I think Bosley is like
56:59
Speaker 1: Sandra Oh or like Tracy Allows. Santra Oh is a
57:02
Speaker 1: very good boss. Yeah yeah, yeah, I really feel that
57:06
Speaker 1: for her after like killing Eve, like I can, I
57:08
Speaker 1: can get into that. Actually, I also think Bowen would
57:11
Speaker 1: be a good boss. Bone would be an amazing Bossley,
57:14
Speaker 1: but I feel like Bowen should actually be the villain.
57:16
Speaker 1: Bowen should be the villain. Bowen should be the villain.
57:20
Speaker 1: Or I think Bowen is like not the final boss villain,
57:23
Speaker 1: but Bowen is like the Crispin Glover. Okay, okay, I
57:26
Speaker 1: love that. Okay, yeah, it's the weird like assassin. Sure, yeah, okay,
57:31
Speaker 1: I think actually I would I would sub if we're not,
57:34
Speaker 1: I think it should be Barbie Very should be as
57:37
Speaker 1: an angel because she is also extremely funny in a
57:42
Speaker 1: in a UM I'm just an awkward human. She's really
57:45
Speaker 1: good at being like awkward human funny. I think Aubrey
57:48
Speaker 1: Plaza would also be great. She's too old. You think
57:52
Speaker 1: she's too old old? Okay, what about Christin Stewart again,
57:56
Speaker 1: Kristen Stewart again, Let's give her another chance? What about
58:00
Speaker 1: got Nick in drag No one who's ever been on
58:04
Speaker 1: drag Race? Okay, we're going to need to do a
58:12
Speaker 1: search for the next l Woods type realitum no, no, no, no,
58:15
Speaker 1: because that's what that's that's this movie that created the
58:17
Speaker 1: problem in the first places. They were trying to break
58:19
Speaker 1: out two stars, and we just need people that are
58:21
Speaker 1: already stars. Okay, so I wanted to be a Cameron,
58:24
Speaker 1: Lucy and Drew and they're playing like they're playing early twenties,
58:29
Speaker 1: but they there's no there's no c g I. Like,
58:32
Speaker 1: we just don't reference the fact that they are women
58:35
Speaker 1: of a certain age like pen fifteen, yes, or they
58:38
Speaker 1: could just be c g I t oblivion and there
58:41
Speaker 1: we make them looks like a literal video game. The
58:45
Speaker 1: whole movie just looks like, okay, maybe this reboot is
58:49
Speaker 1: actually a video game. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, I've
58:54
Speaker 1: never played but have now referenced on this podcast several times.
58:59
Speaker 1: I don't know why. Yeah, that's that's very specific thing
59:02
Speaker 1: to refer Maybe Kylie Jenner's one of the angels. I
59:05
Speaker 1: actually would love a Jenner or Kadashian to be an angel.
59:09
Speaker 1: I would I would love that. Also, Caitlin is the villain.
59:15
Speaker 1: Caitlin is the final boss villain or no, Caitlin is
59:19
Speaker 1: Charlie good Mortar Carol. No, wait, she does have the
59:23
Speaker 1: voice for it. She has a very like she has
59:25
Speaker 1: bad babies. Every time she hits on. You can call
59:40
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59:41
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59:47
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