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Drive Thru News #45 - Road Trippin' #nopunchbacks · BREAK/FIX the Motorsports & Vehicle Enthusiast Variety Show

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All right, William, you're up.
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So welcome to drive thru episode number 45.
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This is our monthly recap where we put together a menu of automotive,
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motorsport, and random car adjacent news.
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So now let's pull up to the drive thru window number one
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for some automotive news.
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Well, folks, you heard it.
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It's our most returning this guest cohost on the drive through.
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It's William Big Money Ross filling in for Brad tonight.
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Welcome back to the show, William.
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Thank you.
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Is that a returning returning?
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What was that word?
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Is that a most
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returning is
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technical term.
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We're allowed to make things up on this episode.
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It's the only time we get some freedom, you know, But speaking of freedom, tonight
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we're going to talk about freedom of the open road because, you know what,
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all the obligatory hallmark and federal holidays are behind us for a while.
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I think we're in that long haul here of the summer, right?
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The blistering heat, those wonderful things that go along with summertime.
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But it also means it's time for some road trips.
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So I feel like this is going to be our punch buggy, no punchbacks episode.
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Potentially.
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I would just like to interject that it's May.
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Summer has not started yet.
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We're very close.
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We are a month away.
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I thought Memorial Day was your, you're going by the actual official date.
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I'm going by the actual.
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Not until June.
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We're getting technical.
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The fact that it's 90 degrees this week tells me it's summertime.
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It's hot.
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Before we jump into our showcase about road tripping, we got to talk about
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the Cybertruck because it's our HHR.
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It's our Dodge Dart.
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It's all those things rolled up into one.
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If it could get any worse.
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Big old pile of dump.
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You had to see this coming.
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I mean, come on, you know, knowing some about metal stamping and trying to
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stamp stainless and trying what they're doing, they try to do it as simple as
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possible by having all the straight edges and not really any contour or nothing.
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And people are cutting fingers off.
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And
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if you own a stainless steel appliance in your kitchen, you know what
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it's going to look like in about.
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Five seconds.
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. If she said it once, she said it a hundred times at this point,
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like I called that from the beginning and I saw one recently down the road.
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Like I legit actually was like, oh crap, I'm gonna like speed up a little bit
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and catch 'em at the next light because I wanted to see this thing in person.
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And it was nasty looking the smudges all on the door, like where you
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would be handling it to enter.
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It just looked like vomit on the side of the door.
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And then your point about stamping the stainless steel, it had this ripple
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effect that I was like, is this straight?
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No,
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no.
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But
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we've covered all that before.
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We actually have new news about the Cybertruck and Tanya, this one.
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Literally blows my mind.
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This takes the cake.
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Would you like to inform our audience on what this latest development
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in Cybertruck nonsense is?
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Are you talking about the gas pedal?
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We covered that last
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time.
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I'm
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talking about the shifter.
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Do you guys know where the shifter is?
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Oh, I heard it's like in the visor or something.
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Yes!
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Who designed this thing
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designed by a crazy person who puts transmission shifter
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buttons in the sun visor.
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Oh, it's in the center.
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It's like where your rear view mirror would be.
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Right.
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A guy named Elon Musk.
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That's got more money than he knows what to do with it and his
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egos.
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But the thing is, it's like one of the most highly touched
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areas in the car, right?
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The sun visor, the rear view mirror.
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And the steering wheel.
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No, this isn't.
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If you look at the picture, this isn't a highly touched area because this thing
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doesn't have a rear view mirror in it.
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Instead of a rear view mirror, you have this button panel.
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So it's really not a high touch area.
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Why would you put it there?
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I wouldn't put it there.
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I'm not defending its location there.
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But given what they've removed to place it there, it actually
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is not a high touch area.
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Which just goes more to the shoddy craftsmanship if it falls out
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without you even needing to touch it.
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Here's a question and there could be a poll what's worse looking or
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worse placement or how that design engineering is that or on the C.
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A.
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Corvette center council.
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Oh,
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you know, and that Lincoln Mark Z had all the buttons up on the side
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of the dashboard to those were weird.
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But I think this takes the cake because what I'm talking about in the high touch
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area, you're constantly moving that visor, you're messing around with the visor and
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then your transmission shifter falls out.
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And stops working.
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I mean, who in their right mind thought this was a good idea?
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And by the way, the hazard lights are there too.
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Yeah.
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What about the rear quarter panel?
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It just falls off.
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Oh man.
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I saw that too.
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I'm like, what?
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And it was just
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like interior frame is plastic.
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It looks like when you take the door card off of an old Volkswagen and you see
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the internals of how the window works.
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I was like, where's the frame to the back of the truck?
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I mean, so did this thing not have to go through an HTSA crash study?
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This
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is why it's Teslagate.
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If you pay enough, if you got enough, which bill is his face on
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now, like the thousand dollar bill.
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If you have enough Elon Musk dollars, you can pay this thing through the NTSA.
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If this gets hit, it's going to get obliterated by even a small vehicle.
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Here's what they're doing.
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And I don't know to where the line's drawn, but there's a lot.
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of these tests that are self certifying.
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Oh, no.
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That's good.
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So it's just basically the manufacturer does it and goes, Oh, yeah, we're good.
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That could be one of the ones that fell under self certification, which
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is pretty scary when you start thinking about it, because who's monitoring it?
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Eric, like you said, have enough Musk dollars, stamp approval, make it rain.
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What would Brad say if he was here?
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Delusion!
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There's Big Money Ross money, then there's Elon Bucks.
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No, all kidding aside, so going into our road trip in here, would you
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go cross country in a Cybertruck?
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No, you wouldn't make it.
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No, you wouldn't make it in any electric car.
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You'd get somewhere in the Midwest with a big rainstorm, and then you'd
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be stranded because the car got wet.
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Or because your shifter fell off.
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So you're done and then you would have hit some place with some sand
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and then it would have gotten stuck.
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And so you're done.
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I just have to laugh.
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I mean, I don't know how much you watch this from when foundations got
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launched and then hitting the either I'd say private off market transactions
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and then the auctions because they all first want to go to auction.
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Well, there's quite a few that sold prior to that.
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Just kind of off market transaction to 25 to 50.
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Basically within four weeks.
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Almost paying sticker.
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And a lot of people were like, I don't even know if I want to pay sticker for
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these basically in four to five weeks, man, those things lost 150, 000 in value.
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They just
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sold one at Mecum and it came in at 105, which is just barely
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over sticker and I'm like, wow.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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They felt like a lead balloon.
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These people.
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Hopefully everybody will just buy them just to have that little gimmicky thing
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for it because you're not going to resell make any money anymore on it.
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That's for sure.
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What's funny about this is especially the picture of the fender and
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everything that is now falling off the gas pedal, the shifter, the fenders.
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I mean, God knows what else is going to fall off the
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Cybertruck, but it's literally.
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The epitome of the expression.
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I'm going to drive it until it falls apart around me.
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It's brand freaking new.
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That ain't going to be a far drive.
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You know, talking about driving the Cybertruck cross country, one of our
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favorite places for most well seasoned road trippers is to make a stopover.
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At the closest Buc ee's.
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Gotta love Buc ee's.
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This place is
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awesome.
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Coming your way, William, there is rumor, they've been posting on social
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media and in the Detroit Free Press, that Buc ee's is making its way north.
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There's billboards as far north as I 96 in Michigan, basically alluding to Buc
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ee's coming that far into the Midwest.
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Well, my understanding is they're supposed to be putting one down there by Dayton.
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Somewhere between Dayton and Cincinnati, I think on 75.
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Oh, wow.
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This was just a couple of months ago.
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Read it that supposedly they bought the land, everything like that.
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They found a small ranch
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in Ohio to purchase a couple
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thousand acres.
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But yeah, somewhere down, but like by Dayton and since then, I want to say
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it was on 75 there, that corridor.
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Cause it would make sense.
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Cause if they get up into Michigan, it's that's that straight shot.
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It's going up.
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And like, I know going down, which I'm going to be going that way in about A week
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and a half is going down, hitting 71, 75.
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And then just right when you get into Kentucky, you hit that big one.
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Well, they're all big.
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Tonya, you were in Texas.
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Some of the biggest Buc ee's in the country down there, because
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everything's bigger in Texas.
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And for those that don't know about Buc ee's, what's it all about?
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Why are we talking about a gas station?
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Well, they also were founded out of Texas.
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So of course they're going to be bigger and badder down there.
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They have an advertisement that they have, I don't know if it's
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the world's or whatever, cleanest bathrooms that you'll ever find at a
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rest stop and damn if that's not true.
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Oh god, they smell great too.
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The one in between going like Houston to Austin.
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You made us stop there when we went to Formula One.
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Yeah, we stopped and you went into the restroom and you could have had
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a party of like dozens of people.
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It was so huge.
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It was like a palace and it was sparkling clean.
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It was amazing.
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Whatever faux marble they were using, it was Glamorous.
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But not only the bathrooms.
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I mean, they've got, I don't know how many pumps outside.
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I think a minimalist one was like 200 plus pumps.
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They're packed.
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Almost every pump is being used.
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How many Tesla chargers are the Bucky's?
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Two.
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200 gas pumps and two Tesla chargers.
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I love it.
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It's brilliant.
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Making no money on that electricity.
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Of course you would think though, with that big ass store they have
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that they'd be like, no, what?
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Let's give it These people are stuck here for a couple hours, especially, you know.
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Only half the chargers be working anyways, and they're gonna be
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stuck there for three, four hours.
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It's a
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Tesla quality.
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There's like, the food services, then there's the gift shop, and then I think
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there was like, the bait and tackle shop, and it was like, anything that you
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could possibly think you needed on your road trip, you can get at a Buc ee's.
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Like, it's more than just a gas station, it's an experience.
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First time I ever went was just recently back, last fall, whatever,
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when I went down to Tennessee.
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I don't know if they got the gimmick down, but I mean, they're banging it.
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I mean, it's just, it's unbelievable.
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Michiganders, there could be a Buc ee's coming near you.
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So stay tuned to social media and the Detroit Free Press for updates on the
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newest Buc ee's coming to the Midwest.
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So I'm excited for that too.
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They'll go game, but man, they have the legal pot.
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People can just sit there and they're pumping their gas.
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Eat an edible, go inside and just stuff their face with the pulled pork.
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Jeez.
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Do you want to have to leave all day?
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That's a trip into itself.
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That's a different kind of trip.
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It's
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a different road trip, but it's all the road trip it is.
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You don't want to get yourself into too much trouble.
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You can get into a little bit of trouble there at the Bucky stuff, but.
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Don't get into trouble like Joey Jordan did on his big South American adventure.
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So go back into our catalog and search for Joey's South American adventure.
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That's an excellent road trip story.
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It's a journey man and machine coming of age 26, 000 miles in a Toyota
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high ACE that he bought sight unseen.
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Left from L.
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A.
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and drove all the way to Patagonia.
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Really, really cool story if you haven't heard it before.
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So go back, and if you've heard it before, it's time to revisit it.
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So check it out in our catalog.
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Looking back into our catalog a little bit as we're thinking about road
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tripping, we did an episode with Brian Kreider from Boulder Camper Vans.
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So that might be worth a re listen if you're thinking
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about some longer road trips.
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You know, there was a huge craze during COVID.
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People doing the small house and going off grid and I'm going to have my camper van.
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So there's a lot of those in the market, but if you're looking for
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something completely custom built to your specifications, Boulder camper
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vans is definitely a place to look.
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And Brian is an expert in that field.
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Speaking of the road trip, I came across that.
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I posted it up in a couple of spots on LinkedIn and that was, I think USA Today
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did it top 10, I would say glamping, but they're actually, they take the
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retro old school travel trailers.
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And it's a hotel.
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They're all set up.
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So you got like, it's a travel park, but you're obviously just renting it.
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You show up.
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It was all the old cool restaurants, but they had like the top
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10 around the United States.
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That's kind of the cool thing this day and age is you can find
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some really cool places to stay.
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I know back in my day, the cool thing was staying at the Holidome.
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That was the shiznit.
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You mean the Hojo?
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You're staying at the Hojo?
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The Hojo.
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So you find those like, yeah, I'm living large.
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So many cool places to stay.
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I mean, You have a lot of fun this day and age and really kind of
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get down a two to three week road trip out there and have some fun.
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Well, you bring up a really good point because maybe a lot of our Petrelhead
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audience out there doesn't know, but if you have kids or grandkids in fourth
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grade, it's a nationwide Program that if you have a child in fourth grade right
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now You get access to all the national parks for free You don't have to pay
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the fees for camping any of that kind of stuff and it applies to your whole
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family As long as you have one kid in the fourth grade So if you have a second
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kid coming into fourth grade with older kids You can take everybody on these
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trips to yellowstone and sequoia And all these places completely for free.
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It also just by national park pass for not that much money.
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That's outstanding.
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So lots of things to look forward to.
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I mean, look into your department of natural resources, parks,
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department, things like that.
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There's a lot of really cool things you can do.
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It doesn't have to be rustic camping with vaulted toilets and stuff like
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that, really going off grid, but there's a lot of excellent places that you can
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go for not a lot of money and enjoy that kind of Griswold family vacation
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as you're heading across country.
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Just don't get out of your car and try to walk up and pet a bison, or go after the
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bear and the cubs, alright, like that.
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You have some frickin common sense.
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Well, to your point, you can't go on a road trip if you don't
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have a reliable set of wheels.
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It's up for debate on whether or not we can take a Cybertruck cross country.
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Somebody's gonna try it, somebody's gonna do it.
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That's unless, of course, you're a cybertruck driver.
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You have a Nissan Altima, right Tanya?
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That'll stand the test of time.
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Cockroaches and nuclear winter and Nissan Altimas.
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Those will be here till the end of time.
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So it's all good.
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And as I like to remind Brad, now that we're halfway through the 2024
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car buying year, let's talk about what's officially dead going into
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September when the 2025 year kicks off, is there anything on this list?
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That surprises you or anything you should pick up as maybe a cross country car.
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Well, what annoys me about this list is things like the Chevy Bolt
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EV, but no, it's not because you literally talked about how you're
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actually bringing it back and there's going to be a second generation.
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So there's just not going to be one in the 2024 year.
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But it's not like they're discontinuing it for eternity.
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Right.
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I hate confusing stuff like this.
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Exactly.
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And some of these Chryslers, we already knew they were dead two years ago.
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They made that announcement.
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It's not that big of a deal.
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The TT died last year, the Audi R8.
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I was like, they still make that?
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I thought they stopped producing that a couple of years ago.
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So some of these are like, why the hell are they on the list?
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And then there's one for William on here.
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Yeah.
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Your FA, I mean, I'm horrible at distinguishing between the models of
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like, you know, you got your four, eight, eight, your F eight, your piece
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to all this stuff, they look so similar when they came out with the two, nine,
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six, this became almost redundant.
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What's the point?
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I mean, that two, nine, six was supposed to be your energy level.
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It's got more horsepower.
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It's a better car.
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Yeah, that's not surprising.
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And going by the wayside, my thought probably be next year is the SF 90.
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I don't see why.
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They'll keep that either.
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They're not selling them.
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No one's buying them, which is kind of strange.
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I mean, it's got all that horsepower and like that, but people don't want them.
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I kind of get it.
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Everything kind of stopped at the four or five, eight.
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Once they started going turbo charging, it was like, what's the point?
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That's one of those ones.
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I was just saying this.
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Like, wait, that one's going away?
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Oh, it's still here?
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Yeah, right, it's still around.
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Like with R8?
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Wait, I thought that thing was done.
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The other one that I'm sort of surprised but not is that Ford Focus based Ford
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Transit Connect, the smaller little carrier van, those were becoming really
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popular here, at least on the east coast, as they were replacing like
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the bigger Chevy Savannas and stuff.
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Stuff for like electricians and some plumbers that only need
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smaller equipment to carry around.
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Like the Comcast guy.
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Why is he driving around in a suburban, right?
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The Ford Transit's more than big enough for what they need to do.
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Those coax cables aren't that big.
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So that's kind of surprising that that's going away.
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Wondering what Ford's going to replace that with.
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As you go down the list, there's more Chrysler stuff.
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That's not a shocker.
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The Kia Stinger.
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We already knew about that.
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Mazda is always kind of doing the hokey pokey.
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The McLaren 720.
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Again, another supercar that I thought they stopped building, right?
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Yeah, that's the thing with those.
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Started with the MP412, whatever, C, blah, blah, blah.
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Then you go into the 570, then it went into 720, now it's the 750.
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There wasn't leaps and bounds in regards to what they think
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there are changes on these cars.
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I know when they went from the 675 to the 720, I think they had, it was all new tub.
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Then again, after that, it's just engineering and
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horsepower, that kind of stuff.
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To your point.
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Yeah.
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It's like, didn't even know they were still making it.
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And like, why would you still be making it when you have the 750?
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Some of this stuff's just baffling.
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You got to wonder if it's just a complete order books or what?
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I don't know.
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But I love the, I guess you would say the moniker or the label these things are
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getting, because I guess they're just.
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Absolute nightmares to own in regards to electronics, everything like that.
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I guess like the 720, 750 is so bad, but the 570, 685 and all,
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especially the MP12, 4Cs, whatever, they call them McCarrens now.
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McCarrens.
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I love that.
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That's awesome.
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Like what?
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There's a laundry list of Benzes here, which I'm sure breaks.
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Tanya's heart, because she's a big fan of Mercedes.
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And did you notice a common theme outside of the Metris, between
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all of these Benzes, Tanya?
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No, apparently.
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They're all basically coupes.
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I was gonna say that, and then I was like, well, there is the sedan four door.
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The CLS has that low roof, Like a Passat CC and all that stuff that they
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were messing with for a while there.
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I'm sort of glad to see that go away.
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Cause I thought it was kind of awkwardly shaped.
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I mean, are we surprised?
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I mean, in the market here, nobody wants a two door really.
18:07
They're such good looking cars.
18:08
I thought they got rid of CLS for a couple of years and brought it back.
18:12
It's the same question I have about the Maxima, which is on this list as well.
18:16
Tanya corrected me like a couple of months ago.
18:18
Still around they still may well here it is on the death
18:20
list rest in peace to the Maxima
18:23
I'm disappointed to see the renegade going away.
18:26
Yeah.
18:26
Well the Fiat 500 X is going away and they're the same car
18:29
basically So that's the end of that
18:31
obviously Production planning and how they go about doing this their plan was all
18:36
right in 2024 This will be like so this plans out and then their mindset back.
18:40
That was to us.
18:41
Oh, we're going Is
18:44
Now everyone's second guessing it because no one wants to buy the electric cars.
18:48
The infrastructure's not there.
18:49
I mean, it's all just kind of hitting the fan.
18:51
And again, these coming years are going to be interesting in
18:54
regards to how this all plays out.
18:56
These companies invested billions of dollars doing these things.
19:00
You have some just completely stopping the factories they were building.
19:03
And it's going to be interesting to see what comes about here.
19:06
I saved the best for last.
19:07
I think it needs some faux wood paneling down the side.
19:11
This is the German version of the Griswold family truckster.
19:15
The Porsche Panamera Sport Turismo.
19:18
I think it's probably the only car on this list I would go cross country
19:21
and I'm a huge fan of station wagons.
19:24
But I understand why this didn't sell who wants a Porsche station wagon.
19:27
It doesn't make any sense.
19:29
I love
19:29
this thing though.
19:30
I think it's awesome.
19:31
I mean, if you're a fan of the RS six Avant or any of the other station
19:34
wagons from the VAG portfolio,
19:36
I'd buy the RS six first before I bought that, but I liked those things.
19:40
They're great.
19:40
It's twice as much as the RS six.
19:42
So why not just buy the RS six?
19:43
Cause you're basically got the same car.
19:44
It's not.
19:45
Who wants a Porsche wagon?
19:47
It's who wants a wagon?
19:49
Because honestly, who wants a Porsche SUV?
19:51
I'm sorry, they have no business being an SUV either, but people like SUVs.
19:56
People don't like wagons in this country.
19:57
How many times is Enzo spinning in his grave with that Puro
20:01
Sangue coming to the market?
20:02
That Mazda CX whatever?
20:04
Yeah, that Puro Sangue drives like, that thing's phenomenal.
20:07
I mean, you've seen the memes where they put the SUV next to the
20:10
Mazda SUV and they look identical.
20:12
And it's like, good thing Ferrari spent millions of dollars to make a Mazda.
20:17
Here's the kind of question, like say with this, with the, you know, Sport
20:20
Turismo is like, all right, there are built in limited numbers anyways, who
20:23
out there bought it and is just sitting on it because they figured in 20 years,
20:28
it's going to be worth something.
20:29
Yeah.
20:29
Because they built God, maybe only 15, 20, 000 of them total production run, maybe.
20:35
If that,
20:36
do you remember when low volume was like less than 50, less than a
20:40
hundred, less than 2000, it's creeped up to, I have a low production car.
20:45
There's only 35, 000 of the main, like, wait, what got a couple
20:50
extra zeros on there, buddy.
20:51
Yeah, exactly.
20:52
It's getting stretched just a little bit too much.
20:55
I mean, yeah, it's still a small number, but they talk about like with the F40,
20:58
cause there's about 1300 of them built.
21:00
In my mind, that's a lot for what it is, but, Oh, it's rare.
21:03
Low productions that make.
21:05
Man, there's 1300.
21:06
There's quite a few and never a problem finding one for sale.
21:09
I'm in the boat with you and saying, look, if it's 50 or less,
21:12
okay, that's low production.
21:13
This next one might be low production too, but what would a discussion about
21:17
road tripping be if we didn't talk about some open air motoring, right?
21:22
That's the other side of taking a road trip.
21:24
Throw the top Miata or your C class Mercedes or your Ford Mustang
21:29
convertible, whatever you've got, right?
21:30
Drop the top, jam it in fourth gear and let's let it rip.
21:33
Toyota's coming to the table with something, and I don't
21:35
even know how to explain this.
21:37
Is
21:37
that a Hot Wheel?
21:40
Tanya, what is this thing?
21:41
Is this a cappuccino?
21:43
Is this a K Car?
21:43
I
21:43
can't tell.
21:45
It's unfortunate.
21:48
Wait, is that your description of it?
21:50
It's unfortunate?
21:52
That's perfect.
21:53
That is perfect.
21:55
That sums it up.
21:56
It's an unfortunate stylistic choice.
22:00
So what are we talking about here?
22:01
It's supposed to be a Miata fighter?
22:04
Competitor?
22:05
Toyota is bringing to market, supposedly.
22:07
Allegedly.
22:08
We'll see if it happens.
22:10
Hopefully it'll come in a GR edition.
22:12
The SFR, not to be confused with the FRS, it's a weird combination
22:18
of style choices, as you point out.
22:20
But yes, they're targeting the Mazda Miata directly with a tiny two door drop top.
22:25
Well, I mean, is that just a Targa?
22:26
Because the way that looks, it looks like it's just a Targa.
22:30
Well, it's all renderings, right?
22:31
So we don't know.
22:32
But it sort of reminds me of the ND Miata fixed roof.
22:36
Yeah.
22:36
That RF or whatever it is.
22:38
Yeah.
22:38
Yeah.
22:38
Yeah.
22:39
Yeah.
22:39
Which that thing is cool by the way.
22:41
I love that.
22:41
Seems awesome.
22:42
You don't see many of those.
22:43
There you go.
22:43
There's a rarity.
22:44
Well, we
22:45
know what it looks like.
22:46
It's
22:46
not a render.
22:48
No, this is a concept car from 2015.
22:52
That they're actually, I guess, considering now making.
22:55
It
22:55
looks like it was getting the dryer too long.
22:58
That's just weird looking.
22:59
Here's the thing about this Ugly Duckling.
23:01
I'm actually okay with it because A, I'm hoping for a GR edition.
23:05
B, I gotta go back to the time in the early 2000s when the Z3 The
23:12
TT, the Honda S 2000, the MRS and the Lotus Elise all came to market.
23:18
Basically at the same time, there was like this glut of convertibles
23:21
and Targos for the first time in like decades, the MRS, the MR2 Spyder,
23:26
basically the MRS, the Toyota.
23:28
Was the ugliest of the bunch if you compared it to the Audi or compared to the
23:33
BMW, whatever But at the end of the day when you were behind the steering wheel
23:36
It had the biggest smile factor because I got to drive all of them So it sort
23:40
of didn't matter what it looked like and knowing what toyota's capable of let's put
23:45
that 300 horsepower Three cylinder turbo in there from the yaris or the corolla.
23:49
This thing's gonna be a rocket ship.
23:51
I'm all about this I would love to try to drive this car I would say it's going
23:56
to be a great track day car, but probably not on your list of luxury convertibles
24:02
that you would go on a road trip with.
24:04
I think they should be doing this.
24:05
Like, cool.
24:06
Yes.
24:06
Keep doing these cool cars, but my goodness, can we make
24:10
it look a little better?
24:11
No, it's got to have that Prius effect.
24:13
It's got to be ugly for a long time.
24:15
And then suddenly overnight, it's like, wait, it looks like a real car now.
24:18
No offense to Prius owners.
24:19
Just that we all agree.
24:20
The Gen 5 Prius is really good looking compared to everything else.
24:24
Yeah,
24:24
it's a sharp looking car.
24:25
I got a chance to ride in one of the Green Grand Prix's.
24:28
I won't belabor that.
24:29
But
24:29
I mean, they're really like, they're really strongly influenced by the
24:34
Cappuccino and that's not a good thing.
24:36
Have you ever seen one of those in person?
24:38
Not in person.
24:39
There was one parked in the same parking lot as me, the guy would bring it on
24:42
Fridays and I would bring a Mark IV.
24:45
Granted, I mean, I bring my station wagon, which is slightly longer than a Golf of
24:48
that period, but I thought I was in a 68 Lincoln in comparison to the Cappuccino.
24:53
It's tiny.
24:55
That's fine.
24:55
The size isn't the problem.
24:56
It's not attractive.
25:00
It's a design choice.
25:02
That kind of wraps out our road trip and showcase.
25:05
Although as our audience knows that we'll be pulling on that thread throughout
25:09
the rest of the episode, but it's time we turn and talk a little bit about
25:13
Porsche, Volkswagen, and Audi news.
25:15
So what's going on, Tanya?
25:17
So there's actually a couple of tidbits.
25:18
One of the latest things apparently is that the ID seven, the electric
25:25
slot, um, apparently is, uh, Delayed without further notice.
25:33
Wow.
25:34
So I mean like
25:35
they're not saying when I don't know if it's indefinitely, but there's
25:39
not a oh, we're just delaying it a couple months But it's too big money.
25:43
Ross's earlier point ev sales are down people aren't buying
25:46
Well, people weren't buying the facade either.
25:48
So it's sort of a lose lose situation in this case Sedans are on the decline.
25:53
I mean, wagons are like dinosaurs.
25:55
Like we mentioned, I mean, if you're not in the SUV, CUV market or EUV,
25:59
I guess it would be these days.
26:01
People aren't turning their attention to that.
26:02
So Volkswagen coming to market with a full size sedan, EV, petrol, or otherwise,
26:08
they already got burned by this.
26:10
I think the ID seven is cool.
26:11
I know you got to see them in person at CES a couple of years ago, but it's like,
26:16
okay, daylight and a dollar short VW.
26:18
I think the other bit of interesting VW news, which is late breaking as
26:22
of today, basically, is apparently they're in some very strong negotiation,
26:28
partnering discussions with India to, I guess, have a production facility there.
26:34
So Tata's gonna make Volkswagens now?
26:38
It's a very brief article.
26:40
That just says they're in discussions about a passenger car production in India.
26:44
Well, passenger car.
26:45
I was thinking the big man trucks because Volkswagen owns M A N man.
26:49
They own a lot of other stuff too.
26:51
So I was like, okay, well maybe that could make sense, you know,
26:53
because they do have a lot of lorries in India, stuff like that.
26:56
I mean, it could make sense if it's the production facility
26:59
for that geographic area, right?
27:01
If they're trying to increase.
27:03
Sales in India or even China
27:05
or reduce shipping too, right?
27:07
That's a whole right.
27:07
Exactly.
27:08
Like you're near to that market if you put it there
27:10
and they've already done this before.
27:12
So this isn't foreign to Volkswagen because they have a plant in China
27:16
as well or multiple ones, I guess.
27:18
But the funny part about that is if you look at some of the photographs, sometimes
27:22
you're like, when was this photo taken?
27:24
Because they're still building the quantum like from the 80s in China
27:29
today, they call it the Shanghai.
27:30
I'm sort of wondering like what retro Volkswagen are they going to
27:34
build in India for the next 30 years?
27:36
Maybe that's how we'll get new Chiracos or something, you know,
27:39
they'll just be built in India.
27:40
Hey, if they build a new Chiraco, hey, we'll build India wherever.
27:42
Dude.
27:43
Yeah.
27:43
I would stand in line.
27:45
Brand would, wait, how's that song go?
27:46
I would walk 5,000 Miles . Yeah, I would do that for a Rocco.
27:52
They've been teasing, you know, little things here and there.
27:54
Like every couple years they drop it or there's a drawing or something.
27:58
Oh, Rocco might be, you know, and everyone gets
28:00
all in a tizzy.
28:00
And then,
28:01
no,
28:01
I got to see street versions of the Rocco R when I was in Lama last year,
28:06
and uh, everyone that went by it just.
28:08
Soul crashing.
28:09
I like, I could have this, but they won't bring it.
28:11
Uh, no.
28:13
Well, another thing that apparently is super disappointing, you know, we're
28:16
talking about new cars that are going away, but there's also a shortage
28:20
of new cars that people really want.
28:22
Some clever gentleman out there decided that, well, you know what?
28:25
He couldn't get a test drive in a Ford Maverick.
28:28
So he just headed on down to his local U Haul.
28:31
1995, you can test drive a Maverick for an entire day.
28:35
That's pretty clever.
28:36
Yeah, well, you get an extended test drive.
28:38
You can actually put it through some real world paces.
28:41
And you didn't have to deal with the sales guy.
28:43
It cost you 20 bucks.
28:44
Yeah, I was like, here's 20 pounds salt, buddy.
28:46
And I'm out of here.
28:47
Go pick up some mulch at home depot.
28:49
Oh, heck yeah.
28:50
And that always baffled me this day and age, minimum 40, 50 grand.
28:54
All right, let's go on this 10 minute test drive where you don't go on the highway,
28:57
you go on the highway for like one exit, which is maybe a quarter of a mile.
29:00
Go here.
29:01
Oh, don't go over 25.
29:02
You know, it's like.
29:03
Get back.
29:03
So what do you think you're ready to buy it?
29:05
What?
29:05
No,
29:06
every now and then either you got a new salesperson or you
29:09
find a decent there's a dollar.
29:10
You can take it for a couple hours.
29:12
Just sign this.
29:12
Give me an insurance card.
29:13
And there you go.
29:14
But yeah, I don't think you'll find that this date is because you
29:16
know, inventories are just nothing
29:18
a little different in the exotic car market though, isn't it?
29:20
You got the F 40, you push it about 14 feet.
29:23
And then you ask the guy, so you want to buy it
29:25
for 14 feet, maybe 14 inches.
29:29
You know, talking about buying and selling cars, I've been saying for a while, I got
29:33
to pull back on some previous episodes.
29:35
Cause I am still very much enamored, smitten, if you will, not, not, not
29:40
necessarily in love with, but I am still a huge fan of the Nissan 400 Z.
29:46
And I've asked Brad, I've asked Tanya, I've asked William before in conversation.
29:49
Have you seen one on the road lately?
29:51
Yeah,
29:52
one, right?
29:55
They're just non existent.
29:57
Here's the irony in all this.
29:58
So we got Altimas that won't die.
30:00
They'll be here at the turn of nuclear winter.
30:02
We've got 400 Zs that we don't know if they're being built.
30:06
And Nissan is telling dealerships to sell all their cars at a loss.
30:10
So basically liquidate the inventory again, a power move by the French.
30:15
I don't understand what the heck is going on at Nissan.
30:18
Like they build some cool stuff.
30:20
Why do people just not care?
30:23
It's a really good question.
30:24
Really?
30:25
Really?
30:26
I mean, you're right, actually.
30:28
Let's go through some of them.
30:30
We have the Altima.
30:31
We have the Altima.
30:32
We have the Gert Altima.
30:34
. We have the Becky wants to go to the Altima.
30:37
, you're right, there are so many different Nissans to choose from that it's shocking
30:45
that people aren't getting the nude Z . And I don't know if it's, the
30:49
fact is when you have such a limited.
30:51
Choice in regards to models.
30:53
I mean, cause you only have the couple, you know, to pick from.
30:55
It's not like you got this breadth of like 20, 30 different models.
30:59
You can, you know, stay in there.
31:00
It's kind of like, well, Mr.
31:01
Bishop, you really didn't feel that good of a car anyways, but same premise.
31:04
When they had the Lancer, the Evo was outstanding.
31:07
That's the thing though.
31:08
Is this, I think if you just, you don't have that wide range of choices.
31:12
Unless you have a very specific type of car, that's the only
31:16
reason you're going to go there.
31:17
You know, again, like Mitsubishi, the Lancer, but then, you
31:19
know, Nissan, the 400Z.
31:20
And the other thing is, I think the most 400s I've seen in any one
31:24
place is they're actually running them in World Challenge right now.
31:27
There's a handful of them there.
31:28
I'm super excited about that.
31:30
Like they've got them on track.
31:31
The Nissans are doing well.
31:33
It's not following that old adage of race on Sunday, sell on Monday.
31:38
Nobody's run into a dealership.
31:40
To buy a 400 Z.
31:41
And it's just like compared to the Corvette, to the Porsches, to the
31:45
Mustangs, to the Supra, to everything that's available right now, the Z
31:49
is still a bargain and granted that drag race thing that Kamisa did
31:53
against the Supra and the Mustang, it didn't really help the Z in any way.
31:57
And, you know, they made all these excuses about, well, if it had better
31:59
tires and if it had this and that, okay, it's big, it's heavy, whatever.
32:04
But if you want to buy, and I've said it before, a modern Japanese.
32:09
Slash French 928 brand tourer.
32:13
The Z is the car to have, and it looks good.
32:16
It's got good performance numbers.
32:17
It might not be as good as a Corvette or whatever, but it depends on what you want.
32:21
And that's the car as a sports car that I would take cross country.
32:25
Like I've sat in one there.
32:26
They're really comfortable.
32:27
They're really nice.
32:28
They're very well appointed, you know, you fit well, even if you're tall.
32:32
Why not for 50 grand compared to other things you can buy?
32:36
You
32:36
know, you won't have any mechanical issues.
32:38
They're, I don't want to say bulletproof, but built like a brick shithouse.
32:41
I mean, they're just solid cars.
32:43
It goes back to the three spoke steering wheel of the R32, and it's got
32:46
the DNA of the Altima, right, Tonya?
32:48
Yeah.
32:50
I think I might have five.
32:51
Found the problem.
32:52
Okay.
32:52
With what's going on in Nissan.
32:54
First of all, they lost captain Marvel Brie Larson's out.
32:57
So there's a whole new batch of 2024 commercials.
33:00
Even though, as I said earlier, we're basically halfway through 2024
33:03
at this point, but I was listening to this commercial because you
33:07
can't watch streaming television anymore without commercials.
33:09
It's just sort of a given it's everywhere.
33:11
And I hear this in the background and the punchline to this new
33:14
commercial, cause it's full of like nobodies and extras, right?
33:17
Oh, that Sentra is what I need.
33:20
And I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait, wait, what?
33:22
So I was like, I gotta go find this commercial.
33:25
And I couldn't find it, but it led me down a rabbit hole,
33:29
investigating the new Sentra.
33:30
And I'm like, this is a car that I would like never look at, right?
33:33
Back in the day in the 90s, When the Sentra was cool, like with the
33:36
SCR model, and it would compete with smaller hot hatches and kind of
33:40
sporty sedans that were out there.
33:42
It was like, Oh yeah, Sentra, that's awesome.
33:43
But they got bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger, right?
33:45
So outside of the marketing woes that Nissan has, I think I found the problem.
33:51
And I'm going to pose it to you guys as one of our guess who type of questions.
33:55
How much horsepower Do you think a Sentra makes and how much do you think it weighs?
34:01
The new one?
34:02
Yes, the 2024 Sentra.
34:03
It's the size of a Maxima, I think, or an Ultima, okay?
34:07
So it's just an Ultima in disguise.
34:09
So it probably weighs in the three thousands easily.
34:13
Upper three thousands.
34:14
Okay.
34:14
Willie, what do you think it weighs?
34:15
4, 200 pounds.
34:16
It's
34:16
got about 135 horsepower.
34:20
I'll be a little more generous.
34:22
Let's say one 50.
34:26
Well, what is it?
34:27
Two 10
34:28
official numbers from Nissan.
34:29
It weighs 3, 122 pounds.
34:33
Okay.
34:33
Lighter than I thought
34:34
at 149 horsepower.
34:37
Oh,
34:38
We were small part, we were close.
34:40
90, I almost nailed it.
34:41
Japanese engine though, pork numbers are down.
34:45
Gotta rub
34:45
the piss out of it.
34:46
Is it a four cylinder or a
34:47
three?
34:48
Two liter, 16 valve, no turbo.
34:50
It doesn't get out of its own way.
34:52
You know, with that awesome Nissan CVT transmission, so it's like winding up
34:57
the hamsters with bringers, bringers.
35:00
I can only imagine what that's like to drive because I've driven
35:04
the Lancer cross SUV thing and that was a miserable experience.
35:09
Another vehicle that weighed about 3, 200 pounds, made it 150 horsepower.
35:12
And to Tanya's point, it can't get out of its own way.
35:15
So that's the thing.
35:16
Give it 210, give it 225, 240, bump it up a little bit so that
35:21
the driving experience aligns itself with the commercials.
35:24
Cause if you listen to these commercials, it's like the sport tune handling and the
35:28
precision shifting and the acceleration.
35:31
149 horsepower does 85 with a tailwind and a Silverado pushing it.
35:36
Are you kidding me?
35:41
So did you guys hear about the money shift heard around the world?
35:45
Yeah.
35:47
Yeah.
35:47
Can you believe this?
35:48
So this guy apparently grabs like, I don't know, third gear instead of fifth
35:52
gear in a crazy, like upshift, basically rubs the motor to like almost nine grand
35:58
and to go to tells them it's going to cost 42, 000 to replace the engine.
36:02
And I'm like, wait, doesn't the GR Corolla only cost like.
36:05
40, 000.
36:06
Yeah.
36:07
How can it cost that much?
36:08
I think that's a big F you from Toyota.
36:11
Buy a new car.
36:12
Yeah.
36:12
They're not going to fix that under warranty.
36:14
They're like, you're a putz go back to learning how to drive.
36:17
Mistakes happen.
36:18
Honest mistakes happen.
36:19
But this is why I talk about, and I recently re released
36:22
our time trial school.
36:24
And in that There is a lesson in there about shifting.
36:28
There's even a video that I have on our YouTube channel about this, about
36:31
learning to change your hand position, especially when you're dealing with
36:35
gears four, five, and six, being able to push it away from your body.
36:38
I've seen so many people even make the mistake at the track
36:41
where they go to go grab food.
36:42
And they end up grabbing second.
36:43
The next thing, you know, the motor's doing 11, 000 RPM and
36:47
the car is tumbling ass over tea kettle down the front straightaway.
36:50
And it's like, take your time.
36:52
Those power shifts stuff you see on the drag racing cars,
36:56
they're built to do that.
36:57
Plus they're sequential gearboxes, you know, stuff like that, or those other,
37:01
you know, multiple lever shifters.
37:02
I forget what those things are called that they have, but a standard street car.
37:06
You've already lost the race.
37:07
If you think that power shifting from a stoplight is going to save
37:11
you at the end of the day, either you got it or you don't, come on, guys.
37:17
Save the clutch, be mechanically sympathetic, take it easy.
37:21
Learn from this guy, 42 grand because he missed the shift.
37:25
That's also why I think they should put manuals back in race cars, but that's
37:28
a whole nother debate for another day.
37:30
Well, that's what I've been saying for F1.
37:32
Yes.
37:32
Yeah.
37:32
Right.
37:33
Yes.
37:33
But before we switch gears here, I want to take a moment to let
37:37
you guys in on a little bit of a promo that we have going on.
37:41
So our friend, professor John Summers, the motoring historian did some
37:45
research on these oxido led headlights.
37:48
And so I listened to episode 19 of the motoring historian and he was
37:52
talking about this with GAMI and he's going to put them in the Mustang and
37:55
this and that, and he's got a promo code and all this kind of thing.
37:58
And so I was like, you know what?
37:59
I too suffer from the same problems John did.
38:02
So if you love driving your eighties, nineties, or two thousands classic
38:06
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38:10
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Are you one of these people now that I hate on the road that has
39:08
these blinding piercing headlights?
39:10
Maybe, but I can see and my test drive was at night in the rain and it was glorious.
39:17
I thought I was driving my Jeep, which actually has HIDs.
39:20
It was awesome.
39:21
I was like, I haven't been able to see that well out of a 20 plus year
39:24
old Volkswagen in a very long time.
39:27
And they weren't expensive at all.
39:28
I mean, 50, 60 bucks for a set of headlights, headlight bulbs.
39:31
Plus then you take the discount off that.
39:33
It was awesome.
39:34
Well, it's time we switch to random new EVs and concept cars.
39:38
What you got for me, Tanya?
39:39
I've got a French one for you.
39:41
Okay.
39:41
Okay.
39:42
All right.
39:42
I'm excited.
39:43
You won't be.
39:43
It's your favorite French car of all time.
39:45
No, come on.
39:47
It's a Citroen.
39:48
Oh, god damn it.
39:50
Tell me it's not the pill bug.
39:52
Yes, of course it is.
39:53
Oh my god.
39:54
There's discussion that the DS brand No.
39:58
No.
39:58
Is going to
39:59
La la la la la la
40:01
la la la la la la la.
40:02
Come back.
40:02
La la la, I'm not listening.
40:04
Be reborn, if you will.
40:06
La la la la la.
40:07
This time Nope.
40:08
With the electrical fairy's assistance.
40:10
Oh,
40:10
come on.
40:11
But they go on further to say that something to the effect that Basically,
40:15
they could share the platform with the new Dodge Charger Daytona.
40:19
So what are you saying?
40:19
It's like some DS?
40:22
Does that change your opinion?
40:23
The pill bug has turned into a caterpillar.
40:26
Oh my god.
40:27
It is sprouting its wings.
40:28
It shall soon fly like a butterfly.
40:31
I get it.
40:32
It's the car that saved De Gaulle and blah blah blah and all this.
40:36
I hate these things.
40:37
I hate them with a passion.
40:38
If I could obliterate them, I would.
40:41
I would find such sport in doing antics like Top Gear did with Citroen DSs.
40:45
I just, there's something about that car that just gets under my skin.
40:49
And to hear that it's coming back now, now, now you've ruined it for me.
40:52
Would you drive cross country in that?
40:55
Or the cyber truck.
40:56
Oh, okay.
40:57
Damn it.
40:57
Why you got to do that?
41:00
I do the citron and then drive it into the ocean.
41:04
See Williams on my wavelength.
41:06
Cause I was thinking the same thing.
41:07
Am I allowed to just beat the heck out of it?
41:10
Throughout this entire trip.
41:11
Can I burn it at the end?
41:12
Find a pier somewhere, just right in the Pacific.
41:16
Nukes of hazard style.
41:17
Just bow
41:18
and attach me.
41:19
Let's see if this thing can float.
41:20
It
41:22
looks like an upside down boat.
41:24
Yup.
41:26
So much, so much with a passion.
41:28
I love a lot of other French cars.
41:30
DS.
41:32
It's all downhill, but I digress.
41:34
We gotta switch to Brad's favorite section of the drive through Lost and Found,
41:38
but this time he's not here to tell us about all the cars on the internet
41:42
that are still sitting on dealership.
41:43
Lots considered air quotes new like, you know, the 20 16 4 GT
41:48
for $850,000 and things like that.
41:50
But instead we have William.
41:51
So William, what's hot in your part of the world?
41:54
Any interesting cars for sale in the market right now?
41:57
You know what?
41:57
It's funny is our friend Don over at Garage Style Magazine a few months back.
42:02
He had messaged me because he had come across, it was a 1970s, early, some four
42:08
door family grocery, he's looking for a car for one of his kids, low miles,
42:12
reasonably priced, like 5, 500 bucks.
42:14
And I was like, are you close to wherever this thing was at?
42:17
And he goes, yeah, I'm only like, you know, hour and a half.
42:19
So I'll go look at it.
42:20
So that kind of opened up the floodgates and really kind of go
42:23
into Facebook Marketplace every day and like see what's out there.
42:27
And I got to tell you, I mean, you hope they're legit, but there's some
42:31
really cool old caddies, you know, the old Buicks, the old four doors big,
42:36
just bark allowance, your front seats.
42:39
For road tripping.
42:40
Yeah.
42:40
It's got 150 horsepower, but it's got like, you know, 300 foot pound of torque.
42:44
How big is that motor again?
42:46
Seven, eight or nine liters.
42:47
I'd
42:47
say it's probably 10 liters getting about maybe eight miles to the gallon.
42:52
You mean gallons per mile.
42:53
Yeah.
42:53
Yeah.
42:54
Talking about going across country, doing some road tripping.
42:57
There's your rides right there.
42:58
The thing will cruise all day long, 89 miles an hour.
43:01
Just revs will be at about 1200, 1400.
43:03
I mean, it's nice and low.
43:05
It's quiet, just smooth.
43:07
The suspension on that thing, you could go over a parking
43:10
curb and you wouldn't feel it.
43:11
It's fun you bring that up because that reminds me of the episode that we did
43:14
with Bill Warner from Amelia Island.
43:16
He was in the original one lap.
43:18
He's done the cannonball, you know, those kinds of things.
43:20
But he talked about the original one lap.
43:22
And he did it in a Lincoln that they modified for that.
43:25
And I thought that was really cool.
43:26
And back then one lap of America was one lap of America.
43:30
Yeah.
43:30
Not like they do today where it's like sort of these cloverleafs
43:33
around South Bend, Indiana.
43:35
Yeah.
43:35
I think you're onto something.
43:36
Those old American kind of sofas on wheels, especially old station
43:40
wagons, like a grand marquee.
43:41
They like the family truckster.
43:43
Those are great cross country vehicles.
43:45
People might get a little leery because they're saying, well, you know, it's, in
43:48
the winter, snort, that's stuff like that.
43:50
But you have a lot of those where it was grandma's car, you know, grandpa's car.
43:54
They didn't drive in the winter.
43:55
They maintain those things meticulously.
43:57
They got all the records.
43:59
I mean, you come across some really cool stuff.
44:02
Go out there between five and 10 grand.
44:04
You can get something really cool.
44:06
That's going to drive me and you can work on it yourself.
44:08
It's so simple.
44:09
You don't have all these electronics.
44:11
You have all this crap in there.
44:12
You can just lift up the hood and you can see everything.
44:14
There's the motor, there's the battery, everything's there.
44:17
New car side, though.
44:18
You go buy a dealer's lot.
44:19
They don't have any cars.
44:20
Rent them from U Haul, right?
44:22
Yeah.
44:22
Go to U Haul and rent there.
44:23
This next one, I need somebody to explain to me.
44:26
I don't get this.
44:27
I mean, we talked about TikTokers and YouTubers doing crazy stuff with like
44:31
the Hummer and some of these supercars.
44:33
They end up wrecking them about 10 seconds after they get them.
44:35
But is this new math?
44:37
These stupid people that don't understand how interest rates work.
44:40
So the headline reads TikToker gets rid of her Chevy Tahoe
44:44
after paying 50, 000 in interest.
44:46
10,
44:46
000 only came off the principal and kind of goes into.
44:51
I guess you would say math skills.
44:53
They were able to justify their 1, 400 a month payment for the tile, but
44:58
they said the 1, 600 a month for her husband's Silverado, which was a better
45:02
vehicle newer, they didn't make sense.
45:04
So all that extra 200 a month, that puts you over the top.
45:08
Because TikTok wasn't paying for the Silverado.
45:10
It was only paying for the tile.
45:12
Yeah.
45:12
But here's the thing though, is cause she was paying what 10 percent or
45:15
something interest on a love set.
45:17
This was three years ago when rates were cheap or anything like that.
45:20
I hate to say what, but someone saw her coming and just stuck her.
45:25
You shouldn't get paid more than 4%, especially on a new vehicle.
45:28
Okay.
45:28
And this is where Brad usually chimes in.
45:30
Cause you know, he's a finance guy and he's looking at all this kind of stuff
45:33
and he's done loans before and all that.
45:34
And I think, and this is just me sort of looking from the outside, If your line of
45:39
income is tick tock, I'm not saying that was her primary line of income, but if I'm
45:44
looking at your debt to income ratio and the stability of your income, tick tock is
45:49
sort of fleeting in comparison to having, I don't know, like a real job with a real
45:53
paycheck and a w two where they can say, okay, well, you're making this income.
45:56
much and you have collateral and you have this and you have that, but if
45:59
you're basing it solely on crowdfunding and crowdsourcing and social media
46:03
and stuff, that's a high risk loan for a 900, 000 vehicle, right?
46:09
Oh yeah.
46:09
You're going to get cracked on that interest rate.
46:11
There's always, you know, all those different ways to skin a
46:13
cat, go get a equity line, home equity loan, do something that's,
46:17
you're not killing yourself, but having to keep up with the Joneses.
46:20
So she's doing that through TikTok.
46:22
Why did you need a 2022 loaded up Chevy Tahoe when your TikTok stuff
46:29
is nothing to do with vehicle?
46:30
I mean, why?
46:31
For the gram.
46:32
Yeah.
46:33
And then the husband goes out and gets himself a brand new truck to boot too.
46:37
I never advocate for this because especially as a collector, I
46:40
mean, you know this William, I'm like lease versus buy.
46:43
You can make those arguments.
46:44
But these days the cars are so expensive.
46:46
She's only had this thing like a year and a half or two years.
46:48
You paid 50, 000 in interest.
46:50
I'm going to say the simple math says that actually leasing it for the 18 months
46:55
that she had it or whatever would have been more sound and fiscally responsible
47:00
than the way this was carried out.
47:02
I'm going to have to just never buy a new car because you're always going
47:04
to lose right off the bat anyways.
47:06
I mean, the last new car I ever bought off the floor with my C4
47:10
vet, that was the last one I got.
47:12
And that was just like, Hey, I want to get a six speed, but
47:14
you know, it's just, I was 24.
47:16
I didn't give a shit.
47:16
So I was like, Hey, I'm getting this thing, but it doesn't make sense.
47:20
Financially economically, just the way the numbers work.
47:22
Yeah.
47:22
It's like, to your point is lease it best is, you know, you look at what the
47:25
residual is and everything like that.
47:27
You look at all the angles of it, position yourself better at the end
47:30
of a 36 month lease, what have you.
47:32
You can kind of being ahead on it.
47:34
I've seen instances, I'm sure Brad can concur with this too, as well.
47:37
If he was on his.
47:38
The argument where, when a lease was up, the person was so in the positive
47:43
in regards to equity wise that they had in the car, because they went up
47:46
in value or whatever, that, that the dealer was basically forcing them to tell
47:48
them, no, you got to turn the car in.
47:50
Nope, we're taking it.
47:51
They wouldn't let them buy it.
47:52
It's like, yeah, they're like, no, it's right here in the contract.
47:54
And seeing those types of scenarios as well.
47:57
You know, you really got to go in and understand what you're looking
47:59
at, especially when you're talking what cars are valued at today,
48:02
what you're paying, having a four figure a month car payment, 1, 400.
48:06
I mean, that's a mortgage payment for a majority of people.
48:08
You said something really important, William.
48:10
And I need to pull on this thread.
48:11
You said C4 Corvette.
48:13
And spoiler alert for our audience out there.
48:16
We're going to talk about Corvettes more at a future episode together, but
48:19
I want to remind our audience too, if you go back in our catalog and listen
48:23
to some of the, what should I buy?
48:24
As the Williams has been on, he was also a Fiero owner.
48:28
So we've gone from the Fiero to a C4 Corvette.
48:30
So did the mullet get longer or shorter between those two
48:34
cars?
48:35
It went from Mazda GLC to Fiero GT.
48:38
To Mustang GT.
48:40
Oh,
48:42
cruising in your 5.
48:43
0.
48:43
Longer, longer, longer.
48:47
Going on top, longer in the back.
48:49
Oh, yeah.
48:50
Got worse and worse, you know.
48:51
Then you get into the vet.
48:53
That's when you get the chrome jacket with the Corvette down the
48:56
arm and all the attire go balls out.
48:58
Your first pair of new balances.
49:00
Did you get this?
49:01
Oh, yeah.
49:03
Thank you.
49:03
My jeans up to my nipples
49:06
Before we go too far afield, I think we would be remiss
49:10
if we didn't talk about tesla
49:14
Well, do we have to
49:15
again some more This is a staple Within the show now, it's its own thing.
49:22
It has morphed mutated
49:23
executives quitting.
49:25
That's Kind of old news already at this point.
49:27
I mean, that already happened before they laid off a bunch of people by having them
49:31
just show up and their badge not working.
49:32
We covered that last time.
49:34
The other thing that I love, Mr.
49:36
Musk, you know, I guess you'd say a brilliant move, charging, you know,
49:39
someone 24, 000 for yourself driving and all these things, but pay me now for it.
49:44
We'll get it to you eventually.
49:45
Oh, but when we do, you're gonna have to pay us more money.
49:49
It's unbelievable how brainwashed these people are in regards to
49:54
these Teslas because they tolerate it I wouldn't tolerate that if I
49:58
was getting a card I paid for that.
50:00
Where is it?
50:00
And that's just it I would love to know why they're quitting this
50:04
Elon on a tear Is he just firing people in a very apprentice sort
50:08
of Trump Ian way or whatever?
50:10
Something else is going on or is the writing on the wall that
50:14
Cybertruck Elon was quoted as saying was going to bury them.
50:17
And it's getting worse and the stock is tumbling and all this stuff is happening.
50:21
And where is the cheap 30, 000 people's EV, the model two and
50:26
all this hokey pokey, and it's like, what exactly is going on?
50:29
I wrote in a Tesla just a couple of weeks ago when I was in Tampa and I
50:34
pointed to the person I was riding with.
50:36
We were in an Uber and it's a brand new Tesla model.
50:39
Why, as a matter of fact, I never ridden in a model Y and I pointed.
50:42
And he just nods his head and the whole seal of the door was like coming off.
50:47
And when I got out of the car, it actually caught me and I pulled
50:51
it out and I had to put it back.
50:52
And I'm like, car's trying to strangle me.
50:54
I was like, what this thing's I've never experienced that in any other car
50:57
where this stuff is like falling apart.
50:59
On me.
51:00
And when I looked at it, it was like that door seal wasn't even formed correctly.
51:04
It didn't meet up with the interior components.
51:06
And I'm like, you pay all that money.
51:09
Is it a status thing?
51:10
Like, I don't understand.
51:11
Think about
51:12
that.
51:12
What other
51:12
brand, if you bought a Ford or anything like that, and that was
51:16
happening, just imagine recalls everything, just the backlash.
51:19
Happens with Tesla.
51:20
It's like, oh, that's just a Tesla.
51:22
I don't get it.
51:23
I mean, I would be furious But they just seem to well, that's just the way a Tesla
51:27
is, you know, it's Built quality customer service sucks and it's horrendous.
51:32
I don't know.
51:33
I just don't get it.
51:34
I don't know how people tolerate I just It's unfortunate.
51:40
This next one's pretty unfortunate too.
51:41
Remember I talked about being in San Francisco and people were like, you know,
51:46
we'd have to worry about self driving because soon we'll be communicating
51:49
with our Teslas through the neural link.
51:52
I just want to say.
51:54
Topia
51:54
fail, fail, fail.
51:57
They haven't given up yet.
51:58
Yes, their first human implant has had some difficulties.
52:03
So apparently they put this little chip in you that has all these little thin
52:08
diameter wires that they poke into your brain and apparently Like 85 percent of
52:14
the wires have like retracted out from.
52:16
They were rejected by the body.
52:18
They were pointed into the motor cortex and 85 percent of that have
52:21
retracted from the motor cortex.
52:23
So they're there to send electrical impulses and stimulate motor function.
52:28
And it was put into a quadriplegic.
52:30
It made me have a flashback or think of the big bang episode when Wolowitz
52:34
had that robotic arm and it got stuck.
52:36
Duck on his, uh, you know, Willie, his member.
52:39
Yes.
52:39
So I'm thinking the neural link is going to have that.
52:46
William,
52:46
are you having a stroke or a software malfunction?
52:53
Did you try turning it off?
52:55
I'm still shocked that they got FDA approval for human trials.
53:04
Are we sure about this or is this more musk money?
53:07
Self certification there again.
53:10
Allegedly it has FDA approval.
53:12
Now all disclosures around that been shared unclear.
53:17
So I don't know.
53:19
It's surprising.
53:20
Cause I mean, that's a pretty serious.
53:22
apparatus.
53:23
I mean, it's pretty serious.
53:24
You're manipulating the brain to have gotten approval with God
53:27
knows what pre testing, right?
53:29
Because it would have had to have proven itself in some other form that would
53:33
have been part of criteria is they would have had to have some sort of
53:35
trial non human that showed efficacy.
53:38
It was a rat.
53:39
We all know it.
53:40
Of
53:40
course it would have been.
53:41
Yeah.
53:42
Like a
53:42
microchip on its head.
53:43
Yeah.
53:44
Well, we're being Told or what is being disclosed is what half a percent?
53:51
It'd probably be scary some of the stuff all the documentation
53:54
and what's been going on with that
53:55
If we want to get to star trek level borg nanomites, this is the
53:59
way we got to go there, right?
54:01
It's got to start somewhere and then you know miniaturization and perfection
54:04
and murphy's law and all that.
54:05
I mean That's what
54:06
kind of this is
54:08
Tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorists also believe we got
54:12
nanomites through the COVID vaccine, but you know, hey, whatever.
54:15
No, no, no, Bill Gates.
54:16
I've got Microsoft inside me.
54:20
Well, if it's anything else, like older versions of windows, it's
54:22
destined to blue screen and not work.
54:24
So it doesn't matter.
54:26
Nothing's gone wrong.
54:27
Thank you.
54:31
Your face permanently goes into that.
54:33
We scream, you know, smiley wink, and then you sit there and it makes that sound.
54:40
What would a Tesla conversation be without some legal troubles?
54:46
They're constantly in legal struggles.
54:48
Is it over their certifications?
54:51
Probably.
54:52
I wouldn't be surprised if that's out there too.
54:53
We just don't know it.
54:54
Right.
54:55
But I mean, they're still under litigation, etc.
54:58
around the false claims of the self driving fully autonomous.
55:02
Blah, blah, blah.
55:02
BSBS, their line.
55:04
BSBS, their line.
55:05
Come
55:05
on, this makes you happy.
55:07
You were on this soapbox for like three years straight.
55:10
Like, come on, people.
55:12
Now we have a, what, class action lawsuit?
55:14
Well, I want to see it actually happen.
55:17
Somebody sent Tanya the 12 that they're going to receive from this lawsuit, right?
55:23
Have you guys ever done a class action lawsuit?
55:26
All this rigmarole and all this stuff.
55:28
And then you end up with a check for like 4 and 37 cents.
55:31
You're like, really?
55:32
That was so not worth it.
55:34
Yeah.
55:34
It shows up five years later too.
55:36
Yeah.
55:36
You totally forgot about it.
55:37
You're like, what's this even about?
55:38
Like, I don't care.
55:39
I did one just for that purpose to find out.
55:42
I think it came back to like a dollar something.
55:43
Oh, it's ridiculous.
55:45
Yeah, it's like, what's the point?
55:46
You gotta figure that's what those lawyers are hoping for, is no one bothers with it.
55:49
So it's just
55:49
more money for them.
55:50
That was like Dieselgate.
55:52
They were buying back all the Volkswagens, and then they were like, So, Bosch, what
55:55
are you gonna do to make people whole?
55:57
Well, here's a 500 check.
55:59
You're like, wait, what?
56:02
Excuse me?
56:03
It's better than zero, but still, I was like, Fine, whatever.
56:06
Tesla news always sort of lowers my expectations.
56:15
There's always a Tesla story that sort of crosses the boundary between Tesla
56:21
gate and what we call low E here in the studio or lowered expectations.
56:25
And this one.
56:26
I have to give a huge shout out to the special guest on
56:30
the drive through a ways back.
56:31
He's been a longtime fan of the show and supporter of break fix through Patreon.
56:36
Mr.
56:36
Mark Hewitt brought us this gem of Tesla news.
56:40
You could see Tanya's face right now.
56:44
Come on.
56:45
It's
56:45
unfortunate.
56:48
You got to get some t shirts maybe with that on there.
56:51
It's unfortunate.
56:54
Unfortunate state of society.
56:56
This poor individual.
56:58
It was time to run a firmware update on the car.
57:01
I guess they were inside of it at the time.
57:03
And okay.
57:04
Update now.
57:05
Except I believe when the Teslas are doing their updates and whatnot,
57:08
basically disables, uh, Everything, essentially, all the electronics get
57:11
paused, you're not supposed to drive the car, you're basically not supposed
57:13
to do anything with it, I don't think you're supposed to engage anything.
57:17
So, I think they quite literally took that to be, I'm gonna sit in the car this whole
57:22
time, it's California, it's hot outside, the windows are up, you know, the doors
57:29
are closed, we all know what happens.
57:31
in the middle of the day to the interior of a car.
57:34
Okay.
57:36
The three digit temperatures it reaches and she's in there sweltering, dying.
57:40
It was a sauna.
57:42
Chick fil a
57:42
orders stayed nice and hot.
57:44
Oh my God.
57:45
Except for that milkshake became
57:47
hot chocolate.
57:47
Curdled a little bit.
57:48
Well, here's the thing though.
57:49
She's gotten what?
57:50
30 million views on it?
57:51
Something like that?
57:52
Yeah.
57:53
And you got to wonder like, How much of this is staged BS?
57:57
You know what I mean?
57:58
You can't trust half these videos you see on TikTok anymore
58:01
because it's like get real.
58:02
This is acting.
58:03
Yes.
58:03
And maybe you could be ignorant to the fact that Teslas
58:06
have manual door releases.
58:08
You don't need the electronics to work.
58:10
Like it's the one safety feature I guess that they have.
58:14
That in an event of an emergency you aren't trapped inside of it.
58:18
Like there's this thing called an old fashioned door handle.
58:21
And you could release yourself?
58:22
The driver could have done this that whole time.
58:24
Maybe they didn't know it was a feature.
58:26
I wouldn't have sat there going into, uh, heat stress, heat stroke,
58:31
while my freaking car is updating.
58:33
Here's your license.
58:34
Tesla offers manual door releases for situations with depleted power.
58:39
But Janelle opted to wait, fearing potential damage to her car.
58:43
How long
58:43
did she opt to wait?
58:44
At least 24 minutes, because allegedly that was how long
58:47
the update was going to take.
58:49
If that's 24 minutes in computer time, that was anywhere from
58:52
24 minutes to like three hours.
58:55
Yeah.
58:55
We've all done Windows updates before.
58:57
That is 100 percent accurate.
58:59
Then she makes the comma.
59:00
She goes, inside my car, it's 103 degrees.
59:02
She goes, so I'm slightly freaking out.
59:05
I hope I don't run out of air.
59:06
I'll show you me.
59:07
You can't go and pull that handle that you're aware of that.
59:09
Oh, my
59:10
God.
59:12
And so she ended up being in there for 40 minutes.
59:14
Yeah.
59:15
At 115 degrees.
59:17
Probably she didn't pass out again.
59:19
Is this BS?
59:20
She had like a cooler of water in there and she's
59:24
Again, it's a sauna.
59:25
Yeah, you start looking at this stuff and you're really kind of like,
59:27
come on, you look, okay, how many followers did you gain out of that?
59:30
I mean, cause then, you know, in their mind they're thinking, Oh wow, I got 30
59:34
million or even if it was half of that.
59:35
Okay.
59:36
I got to do something else now.
59:37
They're going to do something else and try and get it.
59:39
Well, we're going to talk about one of those fools in a minute too.
59:41
So let's not get too far ahead of ourselves.
59:44
This next one must make you smile, Tanya.
59:46
How did you miss this?
59:47
I think it happened so fast that unless you were really acutely watching one
59:53
of the episodes of The Good Place, you just would have missed it.
59:55
And what happened?
59:56
They were foreshadowing the dumpster fire that is the Cybertruck by literally having
1:00:01
a picture of the Cybertruck, a billboard picture above a lit on fire dumpster.
1:00:07
And they sent it to the bad place.
1:00:10
I love it.
1:00:10
It's hilarious.
1:00:12
How prophetic is that?
1:00:15
It's perfect.
1:00:15
I'm sad.
1:00:16
I
1:00:16
need to go
1:00:16
back and
1:00:17
watch that episode.
1:00:18
This next one had me going,
1:00:23
so did you see this bug?
1:00:25
I didn't.
1:00:26
I never listened to it, but I saw it.
1:00:28
Okay.
1:00:29
74 Volkswagen Super Beetle that they converted to an EV.
1:00:32
I mean, that's been going on since the beginning of time.
1:00:35
I don't have a problem with that.
1:00:36
EV West has been put in EV packs.
1:00:38
And Porsche's and VW's for forever.
1:00:40
Right.
1:00:40
But you pop the hood at the car show and you look in there and you see a
1:00:45
milk jug strapped to a cross beam.
1:00:48
And you say to yourself, what the hell is that?
1:00:50
Like, I mean, the old days as a racer, you're like, it wasn't uncommon to see
1:00:53
like a Foster's can and somebody's engine compartment using it for like overflow
1:00:57
for antifreeze or the vapor blowout from like the valve cover, you know,
1:01:01
with the oil and all that kind of stuff.
1:01:03
So, okay, fine.
1:01:04
Milk jug is an alternative too.
1:01:06
What did this ingenious, clever automotive enthusiast do with this milk jug?
1:01:11
Little flappy handles on it and what it just goes like
1:01:15
It makes it sound like the bug is idling with a flat four.
1:01:18
So is he in the car like pulling a lever and just making it
1:01:21
go stop, stop, stop, stop?
1:01:22
Got
1:01:23
a little electric motor that's running off the batteries.
1:01:25
It's like a child's toy.
1:01:27
It sits there and it bangs on the milk jug and it makes it sound like it's idling.
1:01:30
But the best part is if you watch the video, the guy's like at the
1:01:33
very end, he's like Rev it up.
1:01:37
I'm like, Oh my God, this was definitely low e for sure.
1:01:41
I'm like, Oh, but you know, good on him.
1:01:43
I mean, we're talking about it, aren't we?
1:01:45
Yeah.
1:01:46
Speaking of talking about things, I hate talking about this next one.
1:01:49
You don't like talking about it because Whistlin Diesel's involved.
1:01:51
Cause he's kind of moron.
1:01:53
This is the guy, Tanya, that puts the wagon wheels on the Hellcat
1:01:57
and turn the Tesla upside down.
1:01:59
He's the one that cut the mirrors off of that Ferrari.
1:02:02
Like, I wonder what this is going to be like.
1:02:03
He did it with a sawzall.
1:02:05
I'm like, come
1:02:05
on.
1:02:06
Put his F8 out in a cornfield,
1:02:08
drive around and burn to the ground.
1:02:09
And it's
1:02:09
like, it must be nice to have more money.
1:02:11
Where does he get the money to destroy this stuff?
1:02:15
Got
1:02:15
millions.
1:02:16
12 year olds on YouTube watching his videos and Google pays him.
1:02:21
Blah.
1:02:21
I'm trying to remember how many he's got.
1:02:23
Just crap.
1:02:24
I think it's like 20 million.
1:02:25
So he's
1:02:26
got, well, he's got one less.
1:02:28
So what's
1:02:29
this latest one that's saying his cameraman?
1:02:31
Yeah, and I can relate to this
1:02:36
because when I saw this, I kind of chuckled because since I have, you know,
1:02:41
we have our event coming up here soon, uh, end of July, he was putting together
1:02:45
the cars and coffee types of events.
1:02:47
You know, you just kind of, hey, here's a place to meet everything that Bob was, is,
1:02:51
you know, he was getting, you know, people leaving burnouts, everything like that.
1:02:54
The police were trying to find some way to get him.
1:02:57
He's the blame.
1:02:58
He's the one organizing everything like that.
1:03:00
They went after him for organizing these events, some about inciting riots.
1:03:06
So they went hardcore, like way to the top.
1:03:09
And it's like, are you kidding me?
1:03:11
I mean, it's like, DA in this situation doing this because it's like, okay,
1:03:14
you're just a real prick and either you got a lot of time on your hands
1:03:18
or something like that, but all this kid did, or guy, whatever you
1:03:20
want to call it, just organized some cars and coffee type events.
1:03:23
They got pissed off because you know, business around the place,
1:03:27
people even doing burnouts or that.
1:03:28
So.
1:03:29
They went after him and it's sad.
1:03:31
You know, at first it was, you kind of chuckled about it, but then all
1:03:34
of a sudden it got pretty damn real when the charges got filed and he's
1:03:37
looking at five years in prison and I'm trying to remember what the fine was.
1:03:40
Six digit figure.
1:03:42
The whistling diesel guy or
1:03:44
the camera man,
1:03:44
camera guy.
1:03:45
Oh, so the camera guy of whistling.
1:03:47
So it's not technically associated with the whistling diesel guy.
1:03:50
You would think, all right, I'm whistling diesel and this is my camera guy, whatnot.
1:03:54
Hey, I got your back, man.
1:03:55
Don't worry about it.
1:03:56
Whenever we'll pay it by what?
1:03:58
Not once have I seen anywhere has Winston Diesel stepped up and says,
1:04:01
Hey man, I got this, you know, I want you to take care of that.
1:04:04
Not once.
1:04:05
It's just like, you're on your own.
1:04:06
Fucking rude.
1:04:07
Speaking of rude, this next one got under my skin pretty hard and it
1:04:11
should upset pretty much every petrol head on the face of the planet.
1:04:15
Once you read this article study links preference for loud cars to
1:04:20
some unsurprising personality traits.
1:04:23
And I'm going to sum this up by saying that some professor somewhere doing a
1:04:27
study of some things and this and that they surveyed X amount of small portion
1:04:31
of people and said that basically if you like the sound of the exhaust on
1:04:35
your Porsche, Mustang, AMG, Mercedes, VR6, it doesn't matter what it is.
1:04:40
You're either a sadist or a psychopath.
1:04:43
I was like, excuse me.
1:04:44
What?
1:04:46
First I was like, is this a freaking April fool's article?
1:04:49
Cause I was like, there's no way this is real science.
1:04:52
And there's words thrown in here, Machiavellian and like all this.
1:04:57
I'm like, uh, what bookworm wrote this?
1:05:00
Like, have you ever been.
1:05:01
To attract a, have you experienced what motorsports is about?
1:05:05
Why people might like loud cars.
1:05:07
And I'm not saying they need to be loud to the point that they're obnoxious because
1:05:11
there is a modicum of just overbearing.
1:05:15
Some engines can be really annoying when they're uncorked, but some of
1:05:19
them are just absolutely delightful.
1:05:21
And there's an Instagram response to this that I thought was absolutely amazing.
1:05:26
And the Senator is quoted in this Instagram reel as saying.
1:05:30
Modified exhaust systems serve no purpose other than to create
1:05:35
fear, chaos, and intimidation.
1:05:37
And there's like a news report, actual car fans.
1:05:39
And then it's a 911 GT3 RS.
1:05:53
Do it just a flat out burnout from the start line.
1:05:56
And it just sounds glorious.
1:05:58
I was like, amen, brother.
1:06:00
That is the response to this.
1:06:02
Like throw all your exhaust sounds at these people because to us and
1:06:06
correct me if I'm wrong, it's music.
1:06:08
Is there anything like a multi Weber B12 Ferrari?
1:06:12
Oh, yeah.
1:06:13
To your point, like it's almost like it's a musical note.
1:06:16
It's a symphony.
1:06:17
How is that a dark trait?
1:06:19
You know, your likeness to, you know, a symphony or to music and
1:06:22
you're trying to say dark trait.
1:06:23
It's just, those are people starting these things.
1:06:26
They already have ill, bad intent going in to try and prove their opinion.
1:06:31
It's unfortunate.
1:06:33
Where did you pick these 500?
1:06:35
It's like the results were preordained in regards to this.
1:06:37
They just went through the hoops or did what they had to do to make it look
1:06:41
legit.
1:06:41
Somebody's grant money paid for that.
1:06:43
That's all I'm saying.
1:06:44
Exactly.
1:06:45
They got a 50 or 60, 000 grant.
1:06:47
Here you go.
1:06:48
Research this for a year.
1:06:49
I got so many things I could say to this, but just that
1:06:52
9
1:06:53
11 amen.
1:06:54
That's, that's it, man.
1:06:55
I mean, there's plenty of other great sounding cars out there, but yeah, if
1:06:58
you don't get it, you don't get it.
1:07:00
Right.
1:07:00
I mean, it is what it is.
1:07:02
This next reel on Instagram.
1:07:05
See, that's an example of a psychopath.
1:07:08
I cannot believe
1:07:09
this.
1:07:10
Like, what the is that?
1:07:12
How long are those pipes?
1:07:13
Can it actually get under the stoplight?
1:07:16
I was wondering that
1:07:17
too.
1:07:17
Because those things look like they're 20 feet tall.
1:07:20
I mean, it could be the camera angle with all due respect to perspective, but.
1:07:25
So, okay, I know the JDM guys are into doing all sorts of crazy
1:07:30
stuff, but here we have a new Zupra, the new Supra BMW combination.
1:07:35
And he's put these exhaust pipes on it that go straight up like a cartoon
1:07:40
and they are at least 20 feet tall.
1:07:42
The car doesn't Sound any different?
1:07:44
It just sounds like a Supra, but I'm also asking myself, how
1:07:47
the hell does he support these?
1:07:48
How does it not break the exhaust?
1:07:50
How are they braced?
1:07:51
And to your point, Tanya, how does he clear the traffic light
1:07:54
where that bends at coming out from underneath the car?
1:07:57
Such a stress point just from that weight going up.
1:08:00
If one thing was going straight up at 90 degrees, but that's at
1:08:03
an angle, so you have that stress point right there at that bend.
1:08:06
whatever degrees it may be, then the pressure underneath, you
1:08:10
know, your point that's farther up underneath the car is getting pushed.
1:08:13
And it's constantly under load.
1:08:15
It's constantly, yeah, you know, bouncing because every little imperfection
1:08:19
in the road, it's just swinging.
1:08:20
There's no brace
1:08:21
going between it.
1:08:22
So they're independent of each other.
1:08:25
This is so stupid.
1:08:26
It's almost like that, you know, inflatable dude.
1:08:28
Yes.
1:08:29
Yes, the burning man.
1:08:30
Yeah, the person driving behind them, man.
1:08:33
They're brave because that thing falls down.
1:08:35
That's going to do some damage to somebody's home.
1:08:37
I was just about to say that.
1:08:39
What are those movies?
1:08:40
Final Destination.
1:08:41
Yeah.
1:08:42
I mean, it's going to be like that.
1:08:43
That thing's going to come through the windshield like a bazooka.
1:08:45
That
1:08:46
shit's hot.
1:08:47
Well, all that pipe, all that money, it's better stainless
1:08:51
steel than the Cybertruck.
1:08:52
But the point is, it doesn't sound any different.
1:08:55
So it sort of proves the point that as ridiculous as those, let's call them
1:08:59
stacks are, because that's sort of what he's trying to do, like a tractor
1:09:02
trailer, except three times taller.
1:09:04
It makes no difference in the sound of the car.
1:09:06
I mean, you would have been better off doing a side exit cutoff,
1:09:09
like they do in the race cars.
1:09:11
If you want it to sound different.
1:09:12
You know he's gotten pulled over a bunch of times.
1:09:14
He has to.
1:09:15
You know, there's people getting pulled over for the weirdest stuff,
1:09:18
and this guy's out on the road?
1:09:19
Must be in Florida.
1:09:21
There's no way that's, like, legal.
1:09:23
Yeah, it can't be.
1:09:25
There's just no way.
1:09:26
It's just not safe.
1:09:27
But yeah, it looks like it's Florida.
1:09:28
This next one.
1:09:29
We have normally reserved four lowered expectations.
1:09:33
I have given Tanya and Brad a homework assignment month after month, but I
1:09:37
figured, William, since you're here from the exotic car marketplace as
1:09:40
our resident Ferrari expert, I'm bumping this to rich people fangs.
1:09:44
I'm going to ask Tanya one last time.
1:09:47
Did you watch the Ferrari movie?
1:09:49
Yes, I did because I said I would last time.
1:09:52
All right!
1:09:53
What is this movie about?
1:09:55
And who is it about exactly?
1:09:57
Obviously, it's called Ferrari.
1:10:00
It's about him.
1:10:01
But see, that's the thing.
1:10:02
I didn't know what it was actually about because it could be about so many
1:10:05
different things going into it, right?
1:10:07
As the movie progressed, okay, are we going down this avenue?
1:10:12
Well, we're not.
1:10:13
So we're going to go down this avenue.
1:10:15
We're really not.
1:10:16
And then you get towards the end and it's like, We're going down this avenue.
1:10:23
Is that what this, the whole thing has
1:10:25
been about?
1:10:26
So you understand my point now when I say who is this movie about?
1:10:30
And I'm being cryptic because I don't know if you want to give spoilers.
1:10:33
That's up to you guys.
1:10:34
I'm sure it was either you watch it now or, I mean, I've
1:10:37
watched it six times already.
1:10:38
Immediately you realize, okay, this is not like some sort of documentary
1:10:42
of biography of his life, right?
1:10:44
Because you enter it, he's already of a certain age.
1:10:47
The company already exists.
1:10:48
It's not about him and where he grew up from and how it even came to be Ferrari,
1:10:54
that's not what the movie is about.
1:10:55
I thought maybe it was.
1:10:56
For a while I thought it was the equivalent of Ford vs.
1:10:59
Ferrari.
1:11:00
Ferrari vs.
1:11:01
Maserati.
1:11:02
Right.
1:11:02
Yeah.
1:11:03
I was like, okay, so there's gonna be some like, sort of unknown battle between
1:11:08
the early days of Maserati and Ferrari.
1:11:10
Okay, this could be interesting.
1:11:11
And then it really wasn't.
1:11:13
And then, you know, you're wondering, well, we've already into the man's life.
1:11:16
Is it about his wife?
1:11:19
Exactly.
1:11:20
And his illegitimate child and all this stuff.
1:11:23
No, it really wasn't.
1:11:24
And then it's like, okay, we're going racing.
1:11:27
Cool.
1:11:27
It's like, okay, well, we know the outcome of what happens.
1:11:31
Yeah, the 57 millimeter.
1:11:32
Yeah.
1:11:32
Yeah.
1:11:33
With the tone of the movie up to that point, it was very shocking.
1:11:37
And then I read a little bit afterward and it intentionally made the scene
1:11:41
of the crash that basically ended that race ever happening again.
1:11:45
That's a hardcore, even for the CGI doing that, man, that was brutal.
1:11:49
I mean, I read that they tried to make it pretty much like this is basically
1:11:53
what would have happened like they tried to be like realistic with it and it's
1:11:56
just like the tone of the movie then it was like whoa we just went there
1:12:00
and it's like the carnage and the chaos and it was just like that is emotional.
1:12:05
Well Michael Mann actually had met when he went to the site whatever
1:12:09
there was actually an old guy now but he was one of the kids.
1:12:14
Per se that were sitting at the table and went out.
1:12:16
Yeah,
1:12:16
it was actually there and he got that viewpoint from someone that was there.
1:12:22
Right.
1:12:22
If it was the aftermath or he was standing close to everybody, he really
1:12:26
wanted to make a statement with that scene and it leaves an impression on you.
1:12:29
That's like a holy, oh, Jesus Christ.
1:12:31
It definitely did.
1:12:32
And it's interesting kind of reading more on the history of that accident.
1:12:36
It was like the people that were like super up close on the road actually fared
1:12:40
better, even survived than some of the people that were a little bit further
1:12:43
away from the road, apparently, which is just like, it's all just mind blowing.
1:12:47
Uh, maybe it's similar to the wreck at Le Mans where the
1:12:50
guy went into the stands too.
1:12:51
Right.
1:12:52
I mean, he obliterated even dozens more people.
1:12:54
I think that that accident, not to make it any less tragic than it was.
1:12:59
So that happened.
1:12:59
And then.
1:13:00
And you're like, okay, how deep are we going to get into the
1:13:03
litigation and all that stuff?
1:13:04
Because basically it was like, they're blaming Ferrari.
1:13:07
And I don't know, they, they went through it really fast.
1:13:09
They were exonerated basically that it wasn't defect of the car
1:13:12
or their negligence of sending the car out with improper tires
1:13:16
and this, that, and the other.
1:13:18
They, you know, they went back and the safety people that did
1:13:21
the investigation and all that.
1:13:23
had gone back and concluded that it was the reflector basically in the road
1:13:27
that punctured the tire and sent the Ferrari catapulting through the air
1:13:30
and ricocheting off poles and stuff.
1:13:32
So I don't know what the movie was about in the end because
1:13:35
there were just so many things.
1:13:36
Didn't you say that?
1:13:37
There were so many things going on and it's not that
1:13:39
it was super even disjointed.
1:13:42
I don't want to say it.
1:13:43
load.
1:13:43
I mean, I guess it did.
1:13:44
It, it had a weird string that it followed and it wasn't what I was expecting.
1:13:48
I didn't necessarily go in with an expectation either.
1:13:51
So I wasn't left super disappointed.
1:13:53
I wasn't like, this is the best movie ever.
1:13:59
Like, I mean, in terms of like seeing a movie, like the
1:14:01
Ford versus Ferrari, right?
1:14:02
Like that was just.
1:14:03
I don't know, that was very different versus this.
1:14:06
I did, I guess, maybe have an expectation that maybe it was going
1:14:09
to be kind of on a level like that.
1:14:10
Like you were going to get that history, that story, how he rose
1:14:14
to the success and all that.
1:14:16
And it wasn't necessarily.
1:14:17
It
1:14:17
was very dark.
1:14:18
Maybe that movie's still out there to come.
1:14:20
And oddly enough, it's based on the book that's on William's shelf.
1:14:23
And it's behind me on my shelf.
1:14:25
If you're watching the video version of this, Brock Yates Enzo biography,
1:14:29
which is a tome if there ever was one.
1:14:32
It is a big book.
1:14:33
There's a ton of content out there to make a very compelling and captivating
1:14:37
movie, but it wasn't a bad movie.
1:14:40
I mean, I don't, I don't know what to think about it.
1:14:43
Gotta go into it.
1:14:44
I'll say a disclaimer, but like when I watched it the first time, that's one
1:14:47
thing I went and saw it for the first showing that day when they had it out.
1:14:51
But kind of putting out to say, look, people got to remember,
1:14:53
this is not a documentary.
1:14:55
Right, exactly.
1:14:56
That's the thing.
1:14:56
You know, it's just a movie.
1:14:57
It's entertainment.
1:14:58
You know, there's a lot of things that aren't lining up time for a line.
1:15:03
Right.
1:15:03
Look, this is just for entertainment.
1:15:05
Don't take it so serious.
1:15:06
But so many people, Oh my God, it was over on his desk.
1:15:08
Like that's not what it was for.
1:15:09
No.
1:15:10
And then watching it's like, but if he had like another 45 minutes or an
1:15:13
hour length wise, it was in there.
1:15:15
He might've been like.
1:15:16
We're going to complete some of the things and kind of run it off.
1:15:20
It'd be interesting to see if he comes out at some point in
1:15:23
time with the director's cut.
1:15:25
You know, they filmed a lot of the stuff.
1:15:27
Well,
1:15:27
as long as that doesn't end up like the Justice League director's cut,
1:15:31
which is a completely different movie.
1:15:33
I was like, what is this?
1:15:34
Yeah.
1:15:35
I will say that it was neat seeing how they blended some of
1:15:39
the old footage in with the new, like they did that pretty well.
1:15:43
They clearly brought out some real cars or at least some replicas in certain scenes.
1:15:48
The sounds were pretty nice.
1:15:50
I mean, if you're a psychopathic, narcissistic, Machiavellian sadist.
1:15:54
Exactly.
1:15:55
They did have a couple of real ones, but the majority of them were all
1:15:58
replicas that were made by, uh, I'm trying to remember the place, but
1:16:01
they did a phenomenal job with those.
1:16:03
Put them together because obviously those vehicles today from then,
1:16:07
especially the winning car worth so many millions of dollars.
1:16:10
Yeah, of course.
1:16:11
I felt like there were a few scenes where like, okay, we pulled them out.
1:16:13
Probably there.
1:16:14
They might be the real ones.
1:16:16
And then of course the theme where it's like, but Maserati and stuff
1:16:18
is like careening down the field.
1:16:20
I'm like, yeah, that's not a real one.
1:16:23
It's an Ultima.
1:16:23
Yeah, so watch it and you see that they actually use some actual footage.
1:16:27
I thought that was really cool.
1:16:28
Gave me that feel for it.
1:16:29
Because you got some of these other ones where it's all CGI,
1:16:32
they make shit up or whatever.
1:16:33
Like in Ford versus Ferrari, you know, they're out to whatever track,
1:16:36
they're going, you know, 30 miles an hour, but then they speed it.
1:16:38
That kind of shit is like, no, they use actual footage.
1:16:40
Which I thought was really good and as we know is Michael Mann's a director So it
1:16:45
doesn't hold a candle to let's say ford versus ferrari or rush and some
1:16:50
of the other films that have come out It's in a different league than let's
1:16:53
say lemans some of the classics it does Step above films like the Ferruccio
1:16:57
Lamborghini movie that came out.
1:16:59
That was terrible.
1:17:02
So
1:17:02
there's some garbage out there for sure.
1:17:03
So it's at the top end of the middle, if we look at it that way.
1:17:07
But I also want to bring up, Brad said he did watch it.
1:17:11
So by proxy, I just want to say that, you know, he said he got emotional
1:17:14
watching the film and I'm allowed to make fun of him because he's not here.
1:17:17
And I don't think he got emotional over the Deportago wreck.
1:17:20
I think he got emotional over seeing Patrick Dempsey
1:17:23
as an old man In this film.
1:17:27
Now I was, I was going to bring that up.
1:17:29
Not the emotional thing.
1:17:30
I think it was the car crash based on the timestamp, but the Dempsey thing,
1:17:36
I didn't realize he was in the movie.
1:17:38
And then you don't see him to like a good, I feel like 45 minutes in and they're
1:17:42
like at the dinner table or something.
1:17:44
You're like, wait a second.
1:17:45
Cause he didn't say anything.
1:17:46
He was just sitting at the table.
1:17:47
I think he said like one word and he's got like white, white, white hair.
1:17:50
And I was like, is that Patrick Dempsey?
1:17:52
And I'm like, you're only, and then I'm like.
1:17:55
And I had to look it up and I was like, it is Patrick Dempsey.
1:17:57
And then you don't see him again for like another 30 minutes.
1:18:00
I think you're only in this movie because you probably got to drive like one of
1:18:04
the real Ferraris for like five seconds.
1:18:07
Or he owns one of them.
1:18:08
You never know.
1:18:09
I
1:18:09
don't know.
1:18:10
It's interesting.
1:18:11
If you look up who they used as a lot of the drivers and stuff like
1:18:14
that, that they snagged to do it.
1:18:15
There's some really interesting people that they utilize to drive the cars.
1:18:19
Former formula one guys, like all sorts of stuff.
1:18:22
But overall, I think.
1:18:23
If you put that all together, that's what brings it to the top of the middle, right?
1:18:26
The bottom of those upper echelon films like Rush and the other ones we mentioned.
1:18:30
I think if you want more in depth, if you want to learn more, and
1:18:33
Tanya, I don't know if you've already listened to the two part episode that
1:18:36
William, Professor Summers and I did together about the history of the
1:18:39
Mila Mila, but we do cover the crash.
1:18:42
We do cover 57, the turning point, what happened to the Mila Mila after that.
1:18:46
So it is all based on true events and true stories, but There's a lot more to all of
1:18:50
those characters at the table to include the character that Dempsey is portraying.
1:18:55
And so it's like, when you really dive into the history, especially
1:18:58
54 to 57, it is action packed.
1:19:01
The cars are amazing.
1:19:02
Ferrari really is starting to come into his own.
1:19:05
And to your point, that's what's missing from the film.
1:19:07
But that would be an eight hour documentary at that point.
1:19:09
Hell, it was a three hour podcast split in two pieces.
1:19:12
Yeah.
1:19:13
Yeah, it was a two hour movie and we didn't even scratch the surface.
1:19:16
So it's all good stuff.
1:19:17
I'm glad you finally watched it.
1:19:18
And I'm glad you now understand what I've been asking every month.
1:19:22
What is this movie about?
1:19:23
Who is this movie about?
1:19:25
So now you get it.
1:19:25
Now you understand.
1:19:26
And William, we're going to dive in more into the Ferrari
1:19:29
movie later this year too.
1:19:31
Cause John wants to revisit that and compare it to all the research
1:19:34
we did about the Mille Miglia.
1:19:35
So that's going to be interesting as well.
1:19:36
That's going to be good.
1:19:37
But it'll be fun sitting there listening to John talk.
1:19:41
We kid because we care, and he's not here, so we can poke fun.
1:19:45
We love you, John.
1:19:46
We love you, baby.
1:19:47
Well, with that, it's time we go down south and talk about alligators and beer.
1:20:07
Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.
1:20:09
Where in the world are we this time?
1:20:11
Well, we're going to start in the mid Atlantic.
1:20:13
Oh, that's close to home.
1:20:15
We're gonna pull our Tesla thread.
1:20:16
Oh
1:20:17
no!
1:20:17
So apparently, Delaware, New Jersey area, it's all confusing.
1:20:21
Let's
1:20:21
call it Wilmington.
1:20:22
Sure.
1:20:23
Somebody stole a Cybertruck.
1:20:26
That was their first mistake.
1:20:28
It ensued high speed chase.
1:20:30
Well, not a high speed chase.
1:20:31
A police chase.
1:20:32
There was no high speed here.
1:20:33
And I thought it funny reading through because I'm like, where is this gonna end?
1:20:37
Because he took it out on a dirt road.
1:20:38
I was like, I mean, arguably mistake number one was stealing the Cybertruck,
1:20:42
depending how you look at that.
1:20:43
But mistake number two, definitely like you took it on, on an unpaved road.
1:20:49
But it didn't get stuck as I assumed it probably was going to do.
1:20:53
How many body panels fell
1:20:54
off?
1:20:54
Well, we'll get there.
1:20:55
No, just kidding.
1:20:56
But I like the way the person wrote this and I will just read from their article.
1:21:00
And so a chase ensued.
1:21:01
The police said the driver ignored all signals to pull over.
1:21:04
One imagines the otherworldly looking stainless steel coffin, which weighs
1:21:08
close to 7, 000 pounds, piggishly bumbling its way across unpaid roads with
1:21:14
powerful jerks of acceleration, gracing those backwoods like a meandering UFO.
1:21:19
AI written all over it.
1:21:21
The imagery here, the imagery.
1:21:23
Chat GPT.
1:21:24
Yeah, I was
1:21:25
wondering, did chat GPT, you know?
1:21:27
But needless to say, the hot pursuit ended.
1:21:30
The guy ended up just pulling over and they arrested him.
1:21:33
Blah, blah, blah.
1:21:34
But, wow, our first Tesla Cybertruck robbery.
1:21:38
Which went to 4, 002 bond.
1:21:41
That's it?
1:21:43
4, 002.
1:21:45
What's with the 2?
1:21:47
That's the processing fee.
1:21:49
Yeah, but he uses debit card.
1:21:54
It's been a minute since we've had actual Florida man stories.
1:21:58
So we have a
1:21:59
legit Florida man one here.
1:22:01
Are
1:22:02
you sure?
1:22:02
Well, he's a Florida person.
1:22:04
So, it's not correlated, it's adjacent.
1:22:08
Because he stole a boat.
1:22:09
And a UTV?
1:22:10
Whatever.
1:22:11
Anyway, some sort of.
1:22:12
How do you
1:22:12
steal a boat and a UTV?
1:22:14
I don't know, but he did, or he tried to.
1:22:16
And then he dressed as a woman.
1:22:21
Rather unconvincing one.
1:22:23
Yeah.
1:22:24
I mean, the picture's pretty good.
1:22:26
That's unfortunate.
1:22:27
I mean.
1:22:28
Like that wig it's like a broom mop on his head and then the five o'clock
1:22:35
shadow it's quite evident Wow, I mean lovely dress I like the pairing with the
1:22:43
little white sweater, you know, it's a
1:22:45
very unfortunate
1:22:49
Ensemble there my friend Points for your ensemble, but, uh, let's
1:22:54
give it to the Okachico Bee County police that they spotted him.
1:22:59
They did not get the wool pulled over their eyes on this one.
1:23:01
I
1:23:01
think he could have used a better pair of sunglasses to really sell it.
1:23:04
Those macho man, Randy Savage things are in style again.
1:23:08
The vipers, they call them, right?
1:23:09
I don't get
1:23:10
it.
1:23:11
Oh my God.
1:23:12
I've been staring at them going, what are those from?
1:23:15
Absolutely.
1:23:16
Yes.
1:23:16
Florida never disappoints.
1:23:19
You know, it's been a minute.
1:23:20
Like I said, it's summertime.
1:23:22
The eggs are hatching.
1:23:23
The crazy is coming out.
1:23:25
There's going to be more Florida mad stories for sure.
1:23:28
So now it's time we go behind the pit wall and talk about motor sports news.
1:23:32
So Tanya and William, you guys are big fans of open wheel racing.
1:23:35
What's going on in the world of.
1:23:37
There's been a colleague making that statement that powers me for 2030.
1:23:40
Next set of new regs would come out.
1:23:42
Oh my
1:23:42
god.
1:23:43
You bring back the noise and I guess really make a big change.
1:23:46
Honestly, that's ways away, but that would be a dream.
1:23:49
Plus you have to watch it in Seb and listen to Seb drive Senna's
1:23:52
McLaren MP4 or whatever that was.
1:23:55
God, that thing sounded just so glorious.
1:23:57
Oh, that thing was beautiful.
1:23:58
We've seen some mix up, which is great.
1:24:00
Lando comes out of Miami and wins, which was awesome to see.
1:24:04
Wait, wait,
1:24:04
wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
1:24:06
Verstappen, the king of being 50 seconds ahead of everybody, didn't win a race.
1:24:10
What happened?
1:24:10
Did he catch on fire again?
1:24:11
What was the argument everyone's trying to say, which was, well, you know, with the
1:24:15
safety car timing wise, blah, blah, blah.
1:24:17
But in simulation and whatnot, they basically put out that Lando probably
1:24:21
wouldn't have caught him and passed him.
1:24:23
Ooh.
1:24:24
Wasn't it also like he hit that bollard and then it was like,
1:24:27
yeah,
1:24:28
attraction.
1:24:29
I meant car,
1:24:31
all this nonsense.
1:24:32
So excuses, of course.
1:24:34
Yeah.
1:24:34
Cause then he went to the next race and Imola and Lando, what was it?
1:24:38
0.
1:24:39
7 seconds at the finish line.
1:24:40
You know, he was catching them one more lap.
1:24:42
He would have had them, you know, and when it had two in a row, now we know
1:24:45
we got Monaco coming up and that's just a procession going on the track.
1:24:48
Unless someone stuffs in a wall.
1:24:50
You always pray for rain at that race because that's the one you're gonna
1:24:52
watch start to finish, but when it's that you watch the start you peek in
1:24:56
about an hour in and then you come at the end and watch the finish because it's
1:25:00
just it's a procession going through.
1:25:02
And Tony maybe you agree is the big news is Mr.
1:25:04
Adrian Newey gathering on off into the sunset.
1:25:08
And maybe that's why the Red Bull's not doing so well.
1:25:10
He took the magic with him.
1:25:12
Him taking his gardening leave, but the power he had, if he wanted
1:25:16
to go somewhere ASAP, he could, but He's going to go to Haas.
1:25:19
Well, that whole story is unclear because he's still technically with
1:25:23
Red Bull because he's developing like their LMP car or whatever,
1:25:26
their prototype or whatever it is.
1:25:28
So he's still working on that project.
1:25:30
So he's technically not going to another F1 team.
1:25:33
Guess he's going to WEC instead.
1:25:35
His big thing, he really stayed in F1 is when these direct, you know, ground
1:25:39
effects and everything like that.
1:25:40
It was such a big change.
1:25:42
Intrigued him, you know, got his juices flowing like that.
1:25:45
Cause it wasn't just the same OBS coming through and designing it.
1:25:47
Now it's just the engine change here coming in 2026.
1:25:51
You know, everyone's saying he's going to come back with somebody.
1:25:53
He's only, what, 65?
1:25:55
He's as old as Alonzo.
1:25:57
Yeah, okay.
1:25:57
Yeah, exactly.
1:26:00
If we were back when there was no budget caps or nothing, I would
1:26:03
say that this one had a really big effect for the rest of the season.
1:26:07
Obviously, because you got So many races.
1:26:09
So a lot of people could catch up and start throwing money.
1:26:11
But now with the budget cap, it's not like people are just going, Oh, he's gone.
1:26:15
We got it.
1:26:16
A lot of stuff's already set in place.
1:26:17
You know, they have the program set where, okay, we had upgrades coming for
1:26:21
this and at this point, and that's it.
1:26:23
You know, you can't fill stuff in.
1:26:25
So it'll be interesting how the rest of the season plays out.
1:26:27
You know, McClaren's made their strides.
1:26:29
Aston Martin came out with a couple and it didn't do squat.
1:26:32
It's getting interesting.
1:26:33
It's not the same old BS.
1:26:35
Honestly, I didn't renew my subscription.
1:26:37
So I've been only going back and watching highlights because.
1:26:41
Honestly, I was waiting to see because it was like another
1:26:43
season of, Oh, Verstappen's 50 seconds ahead of the next guy.
1:26:46
It's like a snoozefest!
1:26:48
Because like every race was a train race and it was like two minutes of action.
1:26:53
However, maybe season's actually turning a corner and there's a
1:26:57
little bit more competition going on.
1:26:59
And as was just said, it's like McLaren's.
1:27:01
door.
1:27:03
He's not 50 seconds ahead.
1:27:05
He's ending only at less than a second ahead.
1:27:07
Wow.
1:27:08
Maybe there's some interesting fights that can happen now.
1:27:10
He's no longer hot lapping by himself under zero pressure.
1:27:13
Let's see how you do when you're no longer out there by yourself and you've
1:27:17
got someone breathing down your neck.
1:27:18
And he's being the, they call him a war bot, whatever, because this past
1:27:21
weekend, you know, he was racing in a virtual Nürburgring 24 hour race.
1:27:26
They won it too.
1:27:29
He actually did six hours in the seat for that thing.
1:27:33
Wow.
1:27:34
The guy's that's the excuse.
1:27:36
He was tired.
1:27:37
Yeah.
1:27:39
He didn't pull ahead.
1:27:40
He's not far ahead points wise.
1:27:42
What?
1:27:42
That's what I said.
1:27:42
So it could get really interesting in the next six, seven races.
1:27:46
I think that will dictate in regards to how things play out.
1:27:49
If people have caught up.
1:27:51
But why not?
1:27:51
Because obviously Red Bull's going to come out with some upgrades too.
1:27:54
It remains to be seen what happens now that the big brain's gone.
1:27:58
Well, you mentioned Seb driving Senna's McLaren at Imola, which is another
1:28:03
great tribute to probably one of the greatest F1 drivers of all time.
1:28:07
We can argue about that till the cows come home.
1:28:09
And we did on a special tribute episode of our own with Professor Summers.
1:28:13
And we went back and looked at the life of Senna and then the 30 years since
1:28:17
his passing, because Senna would have been in his sixties this year, kind
1:28:20
of like Alonzo, but all jokes aside.
1:28:24
It was really funny because guest of the show, friend of the show,
1:28:27
Elizabeth Blackstock, got on the opposite end of this discussion.
1:28:30
She's got a new show that's come out as well, since she's sort of
1:28:33
separated from Donut and everything.
1:28:35
Deadly Passions and Terrible Joys.
1:28:37
And on there, she's like, I'm so tired of hearing about Senna and Senna
1:28:40
tributes and all this kind of thing.
1:28:41
And I'm like, That is an interesting dynamic.
1:28:43
It is very polarizing compared to everybody else paying homage
1:28:47
and reverence to Senna and his life and things like that.
1:28:49
And I think we kind of took a middle of the road approach to that, right, William?
1:28:53
Where we sort of looked at it and said, Is he still as good as?
1:28:56
Does he still qualify?
1:28:57
If we put him in today's lens, or if we go backwards in time.
1:29:00
And John was very good about Framing that whole conversation.
1:29:04
And where did we end up with all that?
1:29:06
Let's see the go.
1:29:07
You can't make that argument because of just difference
1:29:10
in regards to the machinery.
1:29:12
Do you do an actual breakdown?
1:29:13
I, someone did an awesome graphic.
1:29:15
They did it from the start of F1 back, you know, in the fifties and
1:29:19
they started from the first race all the way and they had it going as
1:29:22
the points and everything like that.
1:29:24
Shit.
1:29:24
When they first started, they only had six races in a year, you know?
1:29:27
So you start looking at the wind ratios and everything like that.
1:29:30
Neil Fongio's record.
1:29:31
I don't think you can make that argument.
1:29:33
Was he the hell of a driver?
1:29:34
Yeah.
1:29:34
Could he drive the ass off a cart?
1:29:36
Yeah.
1:29:36
I mean, there's no doubt about that.
1:29:38
You're just talking difference machinery, everything like that.
1:29:41
And it's just hard to say.
1:29:42
I personally look at, if I had Joe in my mind is, you know, he's up there,
1:29:46
but it's either Jim Clark or Andretti because of their ability to drive.
1:29:52
And win in any.
1:29:53
Yeah, they're all arounders.
1:29:55
Yes.
1:29:55
I mean, you're not talking just Oakville.
1:29:57
I mean, racing in, you know, Le Mans.
1:29:59
Winning at Indy, I mean, that's the Oakville, but
1:30:00
totally different discipline.
1:30:02
The ability to get into a tintop, get into a single seater,
1:30:06
unbelievable talent there.
1:30:07
In my mind, I think that makes you more of an all arounder.
1:30:10
Well,
1:30:12
I'm glad you brought up Indy because, you know, there are different
1:30:15
disciplines of open wheel racing out there and America won't be outdone.
1:30:19
We don't have the same problems that they have overseas, you know, some Dutch
1:30:22
guy running away 50 seconds ahead of everybody doing a time trial by himself.
1:30:26
No, we have items like a mannequin falling from the track and landing near the track
1:30:32
and drivers are freaking out, you know, because We have to adorn our racetracks
1:30:36
with all sorts of paraphernalia.
1:30:37
But if you've ever been to Barber Motorsports Park, it's
1:30:40
really par for the course.
1:30:41
It's probably one of the most manicured and most accessoried
1:30:46
tracks in the United States.
1:30:47
It's gorgeous.
1:30:48
But when I read about this mannequin basically falling on the track,
1:30:51
I was like, well, there we go.
1:30:54
And we wonder why people laugh at us.
1:30:55
Yeah, that was funny.
1:30:57
That was hilarious.
1:30:58
Well, switching gears a little bit to WRCI promised I wasn't gonna
1:31:01
talk about WRC News, but since we're heading into the summer, I
1:31:04
have been getting caught up in WRC.
1:31:06
Obviously, their events are much more spaced out.
1:31:08
They happen basically once a month, starting in January or
1:31:11
thereabout, sometimes twice a month.
1:31:12
Portugal happened this month, which has some of the biggest.
1:31:16
Air of any event on the WRC schedule.
1:31:18
So if you want to see cars flying, Portugal is the one to tune into the
1:31:22
Italian rally comes up later in June.
1:31:25
But if anybody was curious from our discussions last year, TK also known
1:31:28
as Takamoto Katsuda is still crashing.
1:31:31
He's crashing less than last season, but I still watch every stage saying to myself,
1:31:36
it's really not if it's when TK crashes.
1:31:40
So more to come on the WRC scene when we get together with John Summers,
1:31:44
the motoring historian, who is also a avid rally fan, along with some.
1:31:48
Other guests, you might recall from break fix that you don't know our rally fan.
1:31:54
So we'll be coming to the table to do a special WRC episode, not only
1:31:57
talking about the new stuff, but looking back into the past all the
1:32:01
way back into group B and beyond.
1:32:02
So look forward to that later in the season.
1:32:04
It's going to be a lot of fun.
1:32:05
And in the WEC camp, we are only weeks away folks from not only father's day.
1:32:12
But the Super Bowl of Super Bowls, the world championship
1:32:15
of racing the Le Mans 24 hours.
1:32:17
So this will be the 101st anniversary of Le Mans, the 92nd running of
1:32:22
the event on June 15th and 16th.
1:32:25
But for some of us, we're not going to be going to France.
1:32:28
We got other things planned.
1:32:29
And we're going to be headed to Detroit for a special ACO USA viewing
1:32:34
party, which is also going to have an exclusive activation where we're
1:32:38
going to be unveiling Le Mans Ultimate.
1:32:40
They're at M1 concourse in Detroit, one of the newest racetracks.
1:32:44
So it's going to be a lot of fun.
1:32:44
It's going to be a weekend full of Le Mans and racing and petrol heads.
1:32:48
Hoping William's going to be there, but also we were very fortunate
1:32:52
to be able to put together another evening with a legend.
1:32:56
So you can go back and catch that on our Patreon right now.
1:32:59
We had one of the most famous ladies in racing, Lynn St.
1:33:02
James.
1:33:03
She's still with us.
1:33:03
Stop by and got behind the microphone to talk about in more detail than
1:33:07
in break, fix episode number one, 42, her two attempts at Lamont's.
1:33:11
A lot of people don't know that she ran at Lamont's once in 1989.
1:33:15
And the other one that she quote, doesn't like to talk about in 1991.
1:33:19
So you get the uncut behind the scenes access to that on our Patrion right now,
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you can see all the bloopers, all the comments, Lynn telling her story, getting
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an emotional about things and whatnot.
1:33:29
That's at patrion.
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com forward slash GT motor sports.
1:33:32
Look for that episode to be digitally remastered later in the season
1:33:35
for the general public to consume.
1:33:37
But if you want to become a member of the ACO and get exclusive access
1:33:41
to the WEC feed of the 24 hours of Le Mans straight from France, if you want
1:33:45
to be part of upcoming events like the M1 concourse event in Detroit and
1:33:48
others, we have links to how you can become an ACO member In our show notes,
1:33:52
it's actually a really, really cheap.
1:33:54
You get a lot of benefits, discounts at the store, Lamont swag, all sorts of
1:33:58
really cool stuff, and if you're planning ahead, maybe a little road trip all the
1:34:02
way to San Diego, the ACO is going to be holding an event called blown away to.
1:34:07
It's the last event that they're going to be holding on the America's cup yacht
1:34:11
before it set sail around the world.
1:34:13
Again, it's an evening with legends live in person.
1:34:17
It's a cruise out of the San Diego Marina, and you'll be able to sit down and talk
1:34:21
with legends of Lamont's in person, great meal, great atmosphere, music.
1:34:25
I'll be there because I'm the host of evening with a legend.
1:34:27
And what's an evening with a legend event without its host.
1:34:30
So I'm looking forward to seeing other fans of WEC hours and lawns
1:34:34
out there at blown away to in August.
1:34:37
And I mentioned Le Mans Ultimate, the newest sim racing game to hit the streets.
1:34:43
It's available now on Steam.
1:34:44
It's no longer a prototype, generally available to everybody
1:34:47
that has access to a PC.
1:34:49
We put together in conjunction with MIE Racing, a time trials in preparation
1:34:55
for this upcoming activation to figure out which is the fastest LMP1 hybrid,
1:35:01
GTP, whatever class you want to use.
1:35:04
And so we broke it down by the car, all the hot laps, all the data.
1:35:08
It's all there for you.
1:35:08
It's available in our show notes, but also on our YouTube page.
1:35:11
So check that out.
1:35:12
Some really interesting results.
1:35:13
And there's an article that goes along with that on MIE racing, giving you
1:35:17
pointers and some suggestions about which car you should think about choosing.
1:35:21
If you want to attempt the four.
1:35:22
Full 24 hours, which you can do in Lamont's ultimate.
1:35:26
It's the only game since a game called total immersion racing, where
1:35:29
you can run the 24 hours of Lamont.
1:35:31
So it's pretty cool.
1:35:32
And with that, our motor sports news is brought to us in
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partnership by the international motor racing research center.
1:35:38
Just want to point out.
1:35:39
We mentioned last month.
1:35:39
month, May 11th was the first center conversation for the season.
1:35:43
It featured the Purdy Deuce and other super modifieds and personalities
1:35:47
from circle track and sprint car racing, along with a conversation
1:35:50
around the history of Oswego Speedway.
1:35:53
It was the highest attended center conversation to date for the IMRC
1:35:57
with over 200 people in attendance.
1:35:59
So we're going to be hosting and remastering that footage
1:36:02
as soon as we get it.
1:36:03
And we'll bring that to you as part of the motoring podcast network.
1:36:06
They also have another center conversation coming up called the
1:36:09
greatest Corvette story ever told.
1:36:11
It's about the Camaradi Corvette, which participated at Le Mans back
1:36:15
in the sixties and it will be on display at the IMRRC to see in June.
1:36:20
And then in September.
1:36:21
There's the Cameron R.
1:36:22
Argettsinger award for outstanding contributions to motor sports.
1:36:25
And guess what?
1:36:26
They revealed the honoree this year and that's Zach Brown.
1:36:30
Yes, Zach Brown, CEO of McLaren formula one.
1:36:34
You can still buy tickets to attend the event.
1:36:37
So hop over to racingarchives.
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org and click on store to purchase your seat at the table
1:36:42
and see Zach Brown in person.
1:36:44
And don't forget November 1st through the 2nd at Watkins Glen
1:36:47
International is the Michael R.
1:36:49
Argettsinger Symposium on Motorsports History, which will be live streaming for
1:36:53
folks that can't make it out to the Glen.
1:36:55
But if you're in the area, take a road trip.
1:36:57
If you've never been to the Glen, one of the prettiest places in New England and
1:37:00
one of the best racetracks in my opinion.
1:37:02
So come on down to the Glen and check out the symposium while you're there.
1:37:06
So William, we got to take it home.
1:37:07
It's time to wrap it up and talk about different events and
1:37:10
special things that are going on.
1:37:11
So you've got something in the works for this summer.
1:37:13
People should be making a road trip to where?
1:37:15
West side of Cleveland.
1:37:16
Just, you'll get here July 28th.
1:37:18
We have our inaugural rock and revs event.
1:37:21
To support our charities, we're working with aluminum cans for burned children.
1:37:25
We work with all the local fire departments, collecting aluminum cans,
1:37:29
drop off bins at every fire station in the area, fundraising events and donations.
1:37:33
Children that have been injured in fires, we send to a summer and winter camp.
1:37:36
Then whatever else we could help them out with in their home for mobility,
1:37:39
what have you, but then also with Island Safe Harbor Animal Sanctuary.
1:37:43
They are located up in Marblehead.
1:37:44
Dancy and her team up there do great things with animals that are
1:37:48
close to being euthanized or just people just they're old and whatnot
1:37:52
just don't want to deal with them.
1:37:53
She'll take them in and she loves them and puts them back to
1:37:55
health and gets them out there.
1:37:56
So it's two great entities that we're doing some fundraising for but The event
1:38:00
itself is going to be a lot of fun.
1:38:01
We're going to have a very wide range and eclectic things of vehicles there.
1:38:05
We got Wixie 1260 radio station.
1:38:08
They play 60s, 70s, 80s rock.
1:38:10
They're going to be coming.
1:38:11
We're going to have some other, uh, supporting businesses
1:38:13
and stuff like that there.
1:38:14
But the fun thing is.
1:38:16
Right next door is the fair's going to be going on for Fairview Park where we
1:38:19
have all the fair rides, all the fair food, and everything like that going on.
1:38:23
So if you bring your kids and check out all the cool cars, you can
1:38:26
walk right over, literally take you a minute, if that, to walk
1:38:29
over and go on all the fair rides.
1:38:30
So it's going to be a lot of fun putting everything together.
1:38:32
Eric's coming up for it.
1:38:34
Don's coming up from Texas to help out.
1:38:35
So we're going to have a thing set up for MPN as well.
1:38:38
So it's going to be a lot of fun.
1:38:40
But the other cool thing you can do is if you go on to Exotic Car Marketplace.
1:38:44
And you also go into the collector car guide site.
1:38:47
You can get listing of majority events throughout the country and kind of
1:38:51
get things narrowed down and check out what's going on in your region.
1:38:54
Summertime in the United States, it's time to hit the shows, car shows, events,
1:38:58
racing events, everything like that.
1:38:59
There's always something going on every weekend.
1:39:01
So you got good resources to go and find out.
1:39:03
Any event you want to go check out, definitely recommend getting
1:39:06
yourself on there and seeing what's going on in your neck of the woods.
1:39:09
Well, you're right about that, William, because not only is it car
1:39:13
show season, it's track day season.
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You can filter by location and find the perfect high performance
1:39:33
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1:39:44
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1:39:54
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1:39:58
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1:39:59
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All right.
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