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Oregon Serial Killer Charged in Sixth Victim’s Death · Murder Files Unsealed

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Speaker 1: OK, let's unpack this, because in 2021, you had an
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Speaker 1: inmate who was released early from an Oregon prison. Right.
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Speaker 1: And he was pretty much hailed as this this systemic
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Speaker 1: success story for doing some really grueling work fighting these
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Speaker 1: catastrophic wildfires.
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Speaker 2: Right. The 2020 fires.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. But then by late 2022, investigators believe that
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Speaker 1: this exact same man was using the dense, isolating woods
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Speaker 1: of the Pacific Northwest not to fight fires, but to
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Speaker 1: actually hide the bodies of six different women.
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Speaker 2: It's a devastating paradox. I mean, you are looking at
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Speaker 2: a system that is literally designed to measure risk and reward, right?
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Speaker 2: And it evaluated a violent offender, deemed his public service
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Speaker 2: worthy of an early release, and then ultimately placed him
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Speaker 2: right back into the public sphere during the exact window
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Speaker 2: of time that this horrific string of murders began.
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Speaker 1: And that collision, that specific intersection of administrative policy and
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Speaker 1: human tragedy, is exactly the mission of our deep dive today.
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Speaker 1: We are pulling apart a really detailed investigative report from
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Speaker 1: People magazine and to Jesse Calhoun, who's an alleged Oregon
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Speaker 1: serial killer.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the scope of this is just massive.
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Speaker 1: It is. And the catalyst for us digging into this
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Speaker 1: today is this major break in the case. So on
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Speaker 1: September 15, 2026, there was this breaking news of an
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Speaker 1: indictment connecting Calhoun to a sixth victim, Elizabeth Gibson, who
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Speaker 1: goes by Libby.
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Speaker 2: Right, Libby Gibson.
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Speaker 1: So we need to analyze this new indictment and really
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Speaker 1: interrogate this terrifyingly compressed timeline of the crimes and also
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Speaker 1: figure out how this huge... multi-agency, multi-state investigative machine is
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Speaker 1: actually attempting to build a prosecution.
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Speaker 2: Because what's fascinating here is that for you as the listener,
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Speaker 2: tracking an investigation like this offers a really visceral look
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Speaker 2: at the actual mechanics of our justice system.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the behind the scenes reality of it.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. We are going to examine the immense forensic and
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Speaker 2: legal hurdles of what they call a no-body prosecution, plus
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Speaker 2: the jurisdictional friction of cross-state investigations and You know, really
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Speaker 2: profound compounding trauma that the families experience when they're caught
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Speaker 2: in the gravitational pull of a serial case like this.
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Speaker 1: Let's start right with that breaking news, though, because the
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Speaker 1: legal strategy here immediately threw me off. The Multnomah County
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Speaker 1: District Attorney, Nathan Vasquez, he announced that a grand jury
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Speaker 1: indicted Calhoun on a first degree manslaughter charge for the
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Speaker 1: death of Libby Gibson. Right. Manslaughter. Yeah. And the timeline
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Speaker 1: here is critical. Investigators believe she died on or about
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Speaker 1: November 18th, 2022. But her friend didn't actually report her
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Speaker 1: missing until March of 2023. Which is a huge gap.
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Speaker 1: A five-month gap. And her body has never been found.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. And those three variables, right, the five-month gap before
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Speaker 2: the missing person's report, the suspected date of death, and
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Speaker 2: the total absence of physical remains... They create this perfect
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Speaker 2: storm of investigative difficulty.
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Speaker 1: Which is exactly why I need to push back on
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Speaker 1: the district attorney's approach here, because the indictment uses some
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Speaker 1: very specific language. It accuses Calhoun of, quote, unlawfully and
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Speaker 1: recklessly causing her death under circumstances manifesting extreme indifference to
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Speaker 1: the value of human life.
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Speaker 2: Right. Extreme indifference.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but why manslaughter? I mean, if you are a
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Speaker 1: prosecutor and you're staring down an alleged serial killer who
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Speaker 1: was already indicted for five other murders... Why wouldn't you
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Speaker 1: just swing for the fences with a first degree murder charge?
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Speaker 1: It feels like, I don't know, like they're settling for
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Speaker 1: a lesser charge just to get something on paper.
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Speaker 2: I get why you'd say that. It definitely looks like
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Speaker 2: settling from the outside. But strategically, it is a highly
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Speaker 2: calculated move to navigate the realities of corpus delicti.
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Speaker 1: Which is the legal principle that a crime actually has
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Speaker 1: to be proven to have occurred before you can convict someone.
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Speaker 2: Precisely. In a homicide, obviously, the most direct proof is
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Speaker 2: a body. So when you lack physical remains, prosecuting premeditated
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Speaker 2: murder becomes exponentially more difficult.
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Speaker 1: Because you can't prove intent if you don't have a
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Speaker 1: cause of death.
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Speaker 2: That's exactly it. To secure a murder conviction, prosecutors typically
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Speaker 2: need to prove specific premeditated intent. A medical examiner would
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Speaker 2: look at a body and testify that the angle of
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Speaker 2: a wound or maybe the presence of defensive injuries indicates
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Speaker 2: a calculated intentional killing.
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Speaker 1: Right, you need that physical story. You do.
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Speaker 2: Without an autopsy, you just have this massive evidentiary void.
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Speaker 2: You can't definitively tell a jury that the suspect planned
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Speaker 2: the death. But first-degree manslaughter, specifically that extreme indifference clause
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Speaker 2: you mentioned, it bypasses the need to prove that specific
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Speaker 2: calculated premeditation.
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Speaker 1: It's kind of like trying to build a house without
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Speaker 1: a foundation. You know, you can't rely on the concrete
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Speaker 1: slab of a physical crime scene. So you basically have
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Speaker 1: to suspend the entire structure using perfectly interlocking circumstantial beams.
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Speaker 2: That is a great way to visualize it. Yeah. The D.A.
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Speaker 2: isn't settling at all. They are securing the strongest possible
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Speaker 2: indictment based on the evidence they actually possess.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 2: Because by charging manslaughter, they only have to prove that
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Speaker 2: Calhoun acted with extreme recklessness that led to her death.
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Speaker 2: They can build that case using digital footprints, cell tower
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Speaker 2: data or witness testimony that puts them together under dangerous circumstances.
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Speaker 2: without ever having to prove what was actually in his
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Speaker 2: mind the moment she died.
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Speaker 1: But let's look at the reality of building that circumstantial case. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Because you have that five-month gap. Like I said, Libby
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Speaker 1: Gibson is suspected to have died in November 2022, but
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Speaker 1: she isn't reported missing until March 2023. I mean, five
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Speaker 1: months is an absolute eternity in digital forensics.
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Speaker 2: Oh, it is the absolute enemy of an investigation. Think
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Speaker 2: about how data is stored today.
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Speaker 1: It's all temporary.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. Commercial security cameras, ring doorbells, gas station forecourt cameras.
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Speaker 2: They typically overwrite their hard drives every 14 to 30 days. Wow.
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Speaker 2: And even cellular providers, you know, they only hold on
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Speaker 2: to certain types of location data for a limited window
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Speaker 2: unless there's a preservation order. So when nobody raises the
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Speaker 2: alarm for five months, The evidentiary trail doesn't just go cold.
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Speaker 2: It is systematically deleted by automated servers.
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Speaker 1: Man, that's chilling. Honestly, it's like dropping a stone into
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Speaker 1: a dark well and not hearing the splash for five months.
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Speaker 1: It speaks volumes about the vulnerability of these victims. Because
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Speaker 1: if someone can just vanish and their absence isn't officially
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Speaker 1: flagged by a support network for nearly half a year,
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Speaker 1: they are operating in this incredibly isolated space.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the predator knows that. They actively bank on
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Speaker 2: that lag time.
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Speaker 1: Which means law enforcement is starting from way behind the
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Speaker 1: starting line.
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Speaker 2: Right. And that lag time forces them to rely on
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Speaker 2: far more complex, really labor-intensive investigative techniques. They aren't just
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Speaker 2: pulling security footage from the corner store anymore.
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Speaker 1: Because it doesn't exist.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. So they are likely trying to subpoena historical cell
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Speaker 2: site location information to place Calhoun's device and Gibson's device
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Speaker 2: in the exact same geographic sector on November 18th. And
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Speaker 2: then they have to prove a cessation of digital life
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Speaker 2: for Gibson immediately afterward.
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Speaker 1: So they're basically proving that her bank accounts went totally dormant,
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Speaker 1: her social media went dark, her phone never pinged another tower.
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Speaker 1: You're having to prove death by demonstrating the sudden permanent
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Speaker 1: absence of life.
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Speaker 2: Which is incredibly hard to present to a grand jury,
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Speaker 2: but clearly they managed it here.
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Speaker 1: Well, to really grasp the DA's strategy with this new indictment,
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Speaker 1: We have to contextualize Libby Gibson within the broader pattern, right?
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Speaker 1: Because Calhoun was already indicted for five other victims.
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Speaker 2: Right. Kristen Smith, Ashley Real, Charity Lynn Perry, Bridget Leanne Webster,
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Speaker 2: and Joanna Speaks. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And here's where it gets really interesting, because the broader
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Speaker 1: pattern reveals the geographic and temporal scope of these alleged crimes.
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Speaker 1: The timeline is where I honestly got absolute chills reading
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Speaker 1: through the People magazine coverage.
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Speaker 2: It's of how compressed it is. Yes.
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Speaker 1: We know Ashley Real was allegedly killed around March 27, 2023.
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Speaker 1: But let's look at Kristen Smith. The Multnomah County D.A.
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Speaker 1: states she was killed on or about November 20, 2022.
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Speaker 2: And Libby Gibson-Ara's suspected date of death is November 18, 2022.
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Speaker 1: Which is a 48-hour window. Two women, two days. I mean,
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Speaker 1: everything we consume in popular media about serial investigations is
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Speaker 1: Focuses on this concept of the cooling off period.
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Speaker 2: Right. The idea of the careful, methodical stalker.
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Speaker 1: Exactly. The idea that a killer meticulously stalks a victim,
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Speaker 1: commits the crime, and then retreats into this period of
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Speaker 1: psychological dormancy to, I don't know, relish the memory before
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Speaker 1: the urge builds up again. Doesn't the two-day turnaround just
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Speaker 1: completely shatter that profile?
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Speaker 2: It absolutely does. And it tells forensic psychologists and investigators
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Speaker 2: something highly specific about the suspect's mental state. Because a
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Speaker 2: traditional cooling off period exists because the perpetrator usually compartmentalizes
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Speaker 2: their life, right?
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Speaker 1: Like they have a day job.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they have a job, a family, this facade of
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Speaker 2: normalcy they need to maintain. So when you see a
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Speaker 2: timeline compressed to literally 48 hours, you are witnessing psychological decompensation.
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Speaker 1: Like a total loss of control.
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Speaker 2: It implies a state of frenzy or severe escalation. The
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Speaker 2: impulse control has just vanished. They are no longer acting
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Speaker 2: with cautious, methodical planning. They are operating in a highly volatile,
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Speaker 2: reactive state. And historically, when a suspect enters that kind
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Speaker 2: of frenzied escalation, they start making massive mistakes.
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Speaker 1: But see, the way these crimes were concealed suggests he
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Speaker 1: wasn't entirely careless, despite the frenzy. Because the source material
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Speaker 1: points out that all the bodies, except for Gibson, who
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Speaker 1: obviously remains missing, were discovered in rural wooded areas spanning
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Speaker 1: northwest Oregon and southwest Washington.
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Speaker 2: And if we connect this to the bigger picture... The
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Speaker 2: geography is arguably the most crucial weapon utilized in this case.
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Speaker 1: How so? Just because it's remote?
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Speaker 2: Well, that, but also the state lines. When you drop
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Speaker 2: bodies across two different states, you force a massive jurisdictional split.
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Speaker 2: You have the Columbia River acting as a physical border, sure,
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Speaker 2: but the invisible bureaucratic border is far more formidable.
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Speaker 1: Oh, because Oregon police and Washington police don't just, like,
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Speaker 1: seamlessly share a hard drive with all their evidence.
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Speaker 2: Far from it. You are dealing with different state privacy
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Speaker 2: laws regarding search warrants. You have different county sheriff's offices
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Speaker 2: using entirely different CAD systems, computer-aided dispatch systems that literally
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Speaker 2: don't talk to each other.
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Speaker 1: Wait, really? They can't even see each other's files?
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Speaker 2: Not automatically, no. A patrol officer in Clark County, Washington,
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Speaker 2: finding a suspicious set of remains might enter data into
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Speaker 2: a system that a detective across the river in Multnomah County, Oregon,
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Speaker 2: simply cannot see without specifically requesting it.
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Speaker 1: That is wild. It's like trying to put together a 10,000-piece puzzle.
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Speaker 1: But Oregon has half the pieces, Washington has the other half,
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Speaker 1: and they are legally prohibited from looking at each other's
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Speaker 1: picture on the box without filing a mountain of paperwork.
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Speaker 2: That jurisdictional friction is exactly what historically allows serial offenders
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Speaker 2: to operate undetected for long stretches. It's a classic obfuscation tactic,
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Speaker 2: whether intentional or just a byproduct of the geography. The
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Speaker 2: delay in pattern recognition isn't due to poor police work.
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Speaker 2: It's due to these systemic firewalls between agencies.
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Speaker 1: And for you listening, I mean, we really can't ignore
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Speaker 1: the physical environment itself either. The woods of the Pacific
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Speaker 1: Northwest are not just local parks.
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Speaker 2: No, they are vast.
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Speaker 1: If you've ever hiked in that region... You know how
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Speaker 1: quickly civilization just vanishes. The canopy is so dense it
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Speaker 1: blocks satellite imagery, the soil composition, the moisture levels, the scavengers.
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Speaker 1: The environment actively works to destroy physical evidence at an
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Speaker 1: accelerated rate.
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Speaker 2: The landscape acts as an accessory after the fact. It
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Speaker 2: provides immediate, profound concealment and then begins degrading the forensic
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Speaker 2: value of whatever is left behind.
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Speaker 1: Which brings us to the most baffling and honestly frustrating
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Speaker 1: element of this entire deep dive.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, commutation.
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Speaker 1: Yes, because if this geographical web was being spun in
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Speaker 1: late 2022 and early 2023, how was Jesse Calhoun even
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Speaker 1: out in the world to spin it? Let's look at
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Speaker 1: the factual record of his incarceration and release here.
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Speaker 2: This is where the timeline of criminal justice policy intersects
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Speaker 2: with these crimes in a way that is just incredibly
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Speaker 2: difficult to digest.
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Speaker 1: So what does this all mean? Let's go through the timeline.
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Speaker 1: In 2019, Calhoun pleaded guilty to a string of violent charges. Burglary,
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Speaker 1: assaulting a public safety officer, and interfering with a law
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Speaker 1: enforcement animal.
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Speaker 2: He choked a police dog.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he choked a police dog. So he was sentenced
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Speaker 1: and incarcerated. But then in 2021, former Oregon Governor Kate
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Speaker 1: Brown commuted his sentence. And the justification was his volunteer
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Speaker 1: service helping firefighters battle the devastating 2020 Oregon wildfires. I
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Speaker 1: have to ask, how does a penal system... Justify that
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Speaker 1: kind of risk assessment. You have a documented history of
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Speaker 1: violence against authorities and it is somehow canceled out by
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Speaker 1: manual labor during a fire. It's like reading a script
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Speaker 1: that changes genres halfway through. You have a violent offender
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Speaker 1: who suddenly gets cast as a heroic wildland firefighter only
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Speaker 1: to allegedly morph into a serial killer a year later.
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Speaker 2: This raises an important question about how these systems actually
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Speaker 2: operate under pressure. To understand the mechanism of that commutation,
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Speaker 2: we have to strip away the emotion for a second
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Speaker 2: and look at the systemic pressures of 2020.
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Speaker 1: Okay, set the scene for us.
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Speaker 2: The wildfires that year in Oregon were apocalyptic. I mean,
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Speaker 2: they burned over a million acres and stretched the state's
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Speaker 2: emergency response infrastructure past its absolute breaking point. When a
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Speaker 2: state faces an existential natural disaster like that, executive blanches
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Speaker 2: often utilize incarcerated populations for wildland firefighting.
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Speaker 1: Which is incredibly dangerous, highly physical work. I mean, they
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Speaker 1: are out on the front lines literally cutting fire breaks.
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Speaker 2: It is grueling labor. And the systemic philosophy is built
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Speaker 2: on an incentive structure. The state desperately needs able-bodied individuals
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Speaker 2: willing to risk their lives in extreme conditions. To get that,
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Speaker 2: they offer the highest possible currency in a prison system,
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Speaker 2: which is time off their sentence. Right. So the commutations
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Speaker 2: granted in 2021 were designed as a macro-level reward for
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Speaker 2: individuals who provided a massive public service during a literal
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Speaker 2: state of emergency.
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Speaker 1: But the actuarial models used to determine who gets that
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Speaker 1: reward clearly have catastrophic blind spots.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I mean, the system viewed his willingness to fight a
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Speaker 1: fire as definitive proof of rehabilitation. They weighed the public
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Speaker 1: service against his violent history, decided the debt was paid,
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Speaker 1: and just signed the paperwork.
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Speaker 2: And look, without taking any sort of political stance on
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Speaker 2: Governor Brown's policies or the ethics of executive commutation powers,
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Speaker 2: the chronological reality of the facts is undeniable.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the dates don't lie.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. That single administrative signature, which was intended as a
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Speaker 2: reward for fighting a natural disaster, effectively unlocked the cell
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Speaker 2: door and placed Jesse Calhoun directly into the geographic and
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Speaker 2: temporal window where six women lost their lives.
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Speaker 1: I really want you as the listener to just sit
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Speaker 1: with the weight of that for a second. We trust
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Speaker 1: bureaucratic systems to operate on these complex risk assessments designed
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Speaker 1: to protect public safety. But when those models fail, the
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Speaker 1: fallout isn't a statistical anomaly in a spreadsheet. It is
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Speaker 1: a series of missing persons flyers. It is bodies hidden
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Speaker 1: in the brush.
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Speaker 2: It exposes the terrifying fragility of the algorithms and administrative
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Speaker 2: boards we rely on to predict human behavior.
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Speaker 1: It really does. And as we dissect these administrative failures and,
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Speaker 1: you know, legal architecture of a manslaughter charge, We run
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Speaker 1: the risk of becoming entirely too clinical about it all.
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Speaker 2: That's a really good point. We have to remember the
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Speaker 2: human element.
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Speaker 1: Exactly. We cannot reduce Libby Gibson, Kristen Smith, Ashley Real,
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Speaker 1: Charity Lynn Perry, Bridget Leanne Webster, and Joanna Speaks to
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Speaker 1: mere data points in a systemic failure. We have to
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Speaker 1: humanize the impact this has on the families.
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Speaker 2: Because behind every legal maneuver, every jurisdiction battle, is a
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Speaker 2: family in doing a highly publicized nightmare.
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Speaker 1: Just look at the statement released by Libby Gibson's family
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Speaker 1: after this new indictment. They wanted the world to know
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Speaker 1: she wasn't just victim number six on the list. They
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Speaker 1: described her as kind, creative, and silly.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a beautiful statement.
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Speaker 1: They made a specific point to say she welcomed everyone
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Speaker 1: with love and acceptance. And regarding the indictment itself, they
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Speaker 1: expressed gratitude for a, quote, definitive step toward justice while
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Speaker 1: also asking for privacy.
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Speaker 2: And that phrase, a definitive step, It carries an immense
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Speaker 2: amount of psychological weight, especially in a nobody case.
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Speaker 1: Because they don't have the physical closure.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. Psychologists refer to this state as ambiguous loss. When
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Speaker 2: a loved one dies, the human brain typically requires physical
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Speaker 2: evidence to process the finality of the grief of viewing,
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Speaker 2: a funeral, physical remains. When someone vanishes, the brain just
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Speaker 2: gets stuck in this traumatic loop of hope and despair.
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Speaker 1: Because there's always that tiny, irrational voice whispering that, I
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Speaker 1: don't know, maybe they just walked away. Or maybe they
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Speaker 1: are in a hospital somewhere without an ID. Imagine holding
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Speaker 1: on to that hope for a missing friend since March 2023,
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Speaker 1: only to get confirmation of their death via a serial
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Speaker 1: killer's indictment.
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Speaker 2: The ambiguity prevents closure. So for the Gibson family, living
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Speaker 2: in that void for years, a grand jury indictment is
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Speaker 2: the justice system formally telling them that their hope is gone.
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Speaker 2: It is devastating, but it is also the only tangible
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Speaker 2: proxy for a physical resolution they have right now. It
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Speaker 2: is a definitive legal step, replacing the definitive physical step
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Speaker 2: of bringing a body home.
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Speaker 1: And they are experiencing this highly specific trauma in a
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Speaker 1: very public arena alongside five other families. There is a
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Speaker 1: quote in the People article from Kristen Smith's mother, Melissa Smith,
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Speaker 1: that really anchors the reality of this. She told reporters, quote,
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Speaker 1: We've all experienced the worst thing that could ever happen
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Speaker 1: to you, and it is incredibly hard to see one
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Speaker 1: of the other families hurt the way we do.
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Speaker 2: That is just a staggering display of empathy from someone
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Speaker 2: operating inside the epicenter of their own trauma.
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Speaker 1: It really is. I mean, usually in true crime coverage,
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Speaker 1: victims' families are siloed in their own grief. But here,
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Speaker 1: Melissa Smith is actively empathizing with the other families. How
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Speaker 1: does the psychology of grief mutate when you realize your
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Speaker 1: daughter wasn't the victim of an isolated random act of violence?
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Speaker 1: but part of an alleged serial pattern.
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Speaker 2: It completely shatters the isolation of mourning and forces the
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Speaker 2: family into what can really only be described as a
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Speaker 2: horrific sorority of grief. In an isolated homicide, a family
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Speaker 2: can eventually retreat into private mourning. But in a serial case,
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Speaker 2: the grief is aggressively public and cyclical.
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Speaker 1: Cyclical because of the new discoveries.
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Speaker 2: Yes, every time investigators uncover a new body or a
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Speaker 2: prosecutor hands down a new indictment, the clock just resets.
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Speaker 2: The families of the earlier victims are violently pulled back
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Speaker 2: to day one. They watch a new family step in
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Speaker 2: front of the microphones and they are forced to relive
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Speaker 2: their own shattering all over again.
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Speaker 1: Because their personal tragedy has been absorbed into a true
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Speaker 1: crime spectacle. Their daughter's name is now permanently tethered to
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Speaker 1: the suspect's name.
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Speaker 2: The loss of control over the narrative of their loved
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Speaker 2: one's life is profound. They aren't just navigating a murder trial.
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Speaker 2: They are navigating the media ecosystem of a serial killer investigation.
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Speaker 1: Which brings us to the actual mechanics of that investigation.
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Speaker 1: How is law enforcement maneuvering right now? Because we know
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Speaker 1: Calhoun has been in police custody since June 2024 on
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Speaker 1: charges related to the first five women. And the arraignment
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Speaker 1: specifically for Libby Gibson's death is set for September 21st.
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Speaker 2: And the date of his initial custody, June 2024, is
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Speaker 2: the tactical pivot point of this entire massive operation.
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Speaker 1: DA Vasquez has promised to, quote, not stop and do
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Speaker 1: everything in our power to hold him accountable. And Senior
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Speaker 1: Deputy DA Melissa Marrero stated that the scope of this
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Speaker 1: investigation is enormous. But having him locked up since 2024
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Speaker 1: seems to have given them their most valuable asset.
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Speaker 2: It gave them time.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 2: If Calhoun were out on bail or entirely free, the
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Speaker 2: public and political pressure on the DA's office to rush
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Speaker 2: an indictment for Libby Gibson just to get him off
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Speaker 2: the street would have been overwhelming.
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Speaker 1: Which means they might have brought a weak case.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. They might have been forced to bring a flimsy
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Speaker 2: case to a grand jury prematurely just for public safety.
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Speaker 1: But because he was already securely detained for the other
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Speaker 1: five murders, the ticking clock vanished. They didn't have to rush.
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Speaker 2: Yes. The DA's office and the multi-agency task force bought
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Speaker 2: themselves over two years to meticulously mine the data. And
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Speaker 2: building a legally sound, circumstantial, nobody manslaughter case requires parsing
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Speaker 2: literal terabytes of information before bringing it to a grand
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Speaker 2: jury in September 2026. And D.A.
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Speaker 1: Marrero explicitly emphasized how vital the public has been in
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Speaker 1: building that data pool. She said that information provided by
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Speaker 1: individuals in the past, no matter how small, brought them
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Speaker 1: to this exact point today.
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Speaker 2: And Portland police are actively asking for more information still. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Practically speaking, what is an enormous scope investigation look like
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Speaker 1: behind closed doors? When they're asking for these small tips,
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Speaker 1: it sounds like they aren't looking for a smoking gun.
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Speaker 1: They're looking for stray puzzle pieces, a gas station receipt,
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Speaker 1: a passing glance at a trailhead, a weird interaction.
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Speaker 2: In the modern era of data centralization, a small tip
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Speaker 2: is literally the key that unlocks a massive circumstantial vault.
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Speaker 2: Imagine the task force has geofenced a specific patch of
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Speaker 2: woods in Washington on November 19th, looking for cell phones
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Speaker 2: that pinged a local tower.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so they get a list of phones.
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Speaker 2: Right. They get back a list of maybe 5,000 anonymous
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Speaker 2: device IDs. It is completely unmanageable. But then a citizen
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Speaker 2: calls the tip line and says, Hey, I remember seeing
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Speaker 2: a strange truck park near the trailhead, and the driver
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Speaker 2: bought a coffee at the local diner.
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Speaker 1: And the diner has a credit card transaction.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. Investigators pull the diner's transaction logs for that exact hour.
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Speaker 2: They find a purchase. They link the card to a name.
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Speaker 2: They link the name to a known cell phone number. Suddenly,
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Speaker 2: they take that specific number and bounce it against the 5,000
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Speaker 2: anonymous IDs from the tower dump.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 2: If there is a match, that small tip about a
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Speaker 2: coffee purchase just securely placed a suspect at the dump site.
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Speaker 1: It is not about finding a weapon in the woods.
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Speaker 1: It's about providing the specific data point that forces the
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Speaker 1: digital puzzle pieces to snap together. And the fact that
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Speaker 1: they are still begging for tips implies two very unsettling
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Speaker 1: things to me. Either they still have evidentiary gaps in
21:59
Speaker 1: the cases they've already indicted him for, or worse.
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Speaker 2: They suspect there are more victims. When a task force
22:05
Speaker 2: continues to aggressively solicit public memory years after a suspect
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Speaker 2: is in custody, they are usually hunting for anomalies that
22:12
Speaker 2: haven't been connected to the known pattern yet. They are
22:15
Speaker 2: looking for the women whose disappearances were written off as runaways.
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Speaker 2: or whose remains simply haven't yet been surrendered by the wilderness.
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Speaker 1: It requires the public to actively participate in the justice system.
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Speaker 1: We are the extended surveillance network. So let's just step
22:29
Speaker 1: back and look at the entirety of what we unpacked
22:31
Speaker 1: today in this deep dive. We started with the chilling
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Speaker 1: reality of Libby Gibson, a woman missing since March 2023,
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Speaker 1: whose unrecovered body forced prosecutors into this incredibly complex legal
22:43
Speaker 1: maneuver of a first-degree manslaughter indictment to secure accountability.
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Speaker 2: And we analyzed the terrifying compression of the timeline, specifically
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Speaker 2: that 48 hours between the suspected deaths of Gibson and
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Speaker 2: Kristen Smith. Plus how crossing the Columbia River was utilized
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Speaker 2: to exploit the bureaucratic friction between Oregon and Washington law enforcement.
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Speaker 1: We also confronted the brutal paradox of Jesse Calhoun's 2021 commutation.
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Speaker 1: You know, a system that rewarded violent labor on a
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Speaker 1: fire line by returning a man to society just in
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Speaker 1: time for an alleged killing spree to begin. And we
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Speaker 1: looked at the sheer overwhelming scale of the multi-agency data
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Speaker 1: mining required to build these cases and obviously the agonizing
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Speaker 1: public limbo endured by the families left behind.
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Speaker 2: And as we step away from this material, I think
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Speaker 2: there is a fundamental lingering thought about the architecture of
23:31
Speaker 2: our society that you, as the listener, really need to
23:34
Speaker 2: mull over on your own.
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Speaker 1: What's that?
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Speaker 2: Well, in a case where a suspect as freedom was
23:38
Speaker 2: explicitly granted as a reward for battling nature's most destructive fires...
23:43
Speaker 2: we are forced to look at the fires left burning
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Speaker 2: in the wake of that administrative decision. When the justice
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Speaker 2: system attempts to mathematically weigh the value of rehabilitation against
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Speaker 2: the mandate of public safety and gets it this tragically wrong,
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Speaker 2: how does a society ever fully repair that profound breach
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Speaker 2: of trust?
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Speaker 1: That is the quiet, terrifying question lingering underneath all the
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Speaker 1: legal documents and press conferences. Thank you so much for
24:08
Speaker 1: joining us on this incredibly complex, heavy journey. We encourage
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Speaker 1: you to stay curious, stay aware of your surroundings, and
24:15
Speaker 1: to never stop questioning the systems built to protect us.
24:18
Speaker 1: Because as we've explored today, sometimes you step into what
24:21
Speaker 1: looks like a pristine, untouched landscape, only to realize the
24:24
Speaker 1: woods are hiding something entirely engineered and incredibly dark. Take
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Speaker 1: care of yourselves, and we'll see you next time.