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The Trinity Concept · Urantia Radio

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  Well, I hope you're doing great. Thank you again.
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  Another episode of the Rancho Radio podcast and I want to talk
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  about the Trinity. It's I don't think I've ever
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  talked about the Trinity. It's from what I've been reading
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  on Paper 104 and there's a lot of good Nuggets in that, even
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  though it's a very challenging section of the book.
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  If you notice in Part 3, as it goes through the entirety of
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  Part 3 of the Urantia book, it gets a little bit more
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  complicated and more complex up to the point where they're
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  talking about a lot of things that it, it literally takes
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  years to try to grasp and the use of language is unbelievable.
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  But they get to the part about the Trinity.
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  And what I've always found interesting is that most
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  religions in my own experience about the Trinity is that people
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  don't know or that they, they say God the Father, God the Son
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  and God the Spirit. And in Catholicism, that's it's
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  very prevalent in Catholicism, but not so much in other
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  branches of Christianity. Like you won't hear a lot about
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  the Trinity, I don't think in a Baptist Church or in in in in a
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  lot of Middle Eastern religions Trinity is expressed through
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  triune concepts, particularly in Hinduism.
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  So I've not really paid too much attention to the Trinity
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  concept, although I I think I understand it more because I
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  read the Urantia book and I understand the relationship
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  between God the Father, God the Son, and God the Spirit.
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  This particular paper is very interesting and I want to pull
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  out some really good notes about it.
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  And I think you'll have a better appreciation of it too.
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  Once we go through it. It won't be a very long episode,
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  but it's got a lot of good interesting insight as to the
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  nature of God. So we'll continue in just a
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  second here. And I, I want to welcome you
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  into the Your Rancher Radio podcast.
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  So the first question that people will naturally ask is why
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  is the Trinity concept important?
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  And in paper one O 4 of the Urantia book, they explain why.
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  And let me roll through some of the more important comments and
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  paragraphs, and then we'll weave together the the context in
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  which we could discover the answer why the Trinity concept
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  is such an important concept in Christianity and indeed in
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  understanding the relationship of God.
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  So it starts out with, it's always difficult for an emerging
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  monotheism to tolerate Trinitarianism when confronted
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  by polytheism. The Trinity idea takes best hold
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  of these religions, which have a firm monotheistic tradition
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  coupled with doctrinal elasticity.
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  The great monotheists, the Hebrews and the Muhammadans
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  found it difficult to distinguish between worshipping
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  3 gods, polytheism and Trinitarianism, the worship of 1
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  deity existing in a triune manifestation of divinity and
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  personality. Now Jesus taught his apostles
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  the truth regarding the persons of the Paradise Trinity, but
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  they thought he spoke figuratively and symbolically.
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  Having been nurtured in Hebraic monotheism, they they found it
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  difficult to entertain any belief that seemed to conflict
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  with the dominating concept of Yahweh.
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  And the early Christians inherited the Hebraic prejudice
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  against the Trinity concept. And this goes back to what I was
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  saying a moment ago about how in some factors or some traditions
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  of Christianity, there's a stronger presence than others of
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  the Trinity concept. Paul knew of the Paradise
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  Trinity of Father, Son, and Spirit, but he seldom preached
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  about it and made mention thereof in only a few of his
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  letters to the newly forming churches.
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  Even then did his fellow apostles.
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  Paul confused Jesus, the Creator, Son of the local
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  universe, with the second person of deity and the eternal son of
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  paradise. Now over the years of my
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  discussions with fellow Christians about the Urantia
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  book, they get a little upset when I say to them, no, Jesus is
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  not the second person of of Trinity.
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  So I know by experience that there is some a little bit of
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  consternation on Christians when they read about the second
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  person of deity and the difference between that and say,
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  the Creator's Son, which is of course Michael, who is Jesus.
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  Now, not since the times of Jesus has the factual identity
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  of the Paradise Trinity been known on Urantia, except by a
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  few individuals to whom it was especially revealed until its
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  presentation in these revelatory disclosures.
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  Now that that sentence right there should jump out at you,
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  because what the revelators are telling us is that one of the
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  key revelations that is coming out of this particular book, the
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  Urantia book, is a clear and precise of of explanation of
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  what the Paradise Trinity is and why it is an important
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  evolutionary step in religious thought.
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  They go on to say that the conceptual grasp of the Trinity
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  association of the Father, the Son and Spirit prepares the
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  human mind for the further presentation of certain other
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  threefold relationships. So think of it this way, the the
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  idea of a loving Father is not exactly correlated with the idea
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  of a deity force. At least without the concept of
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  understand of understanding how God operates in this realm.
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  How can he be a loving personal father who has his hands in all
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  of our human affairs, but by the same time have a universe that
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  operates under physical laws and in some degree of order?
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  And this is a stumbling block for a lot of people when they
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  try to understand the concept of a spiritual father who was also
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  the upholder of all things physical gravity and everything
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  else, energy, force. And the two ideas do not
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  commensurate so well, unless you have the Trinity concept.
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  And that's why they're introducing it in in more
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  clarity in these Urantia papers. But and I'd never seen that
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  sentence before the sentence saying until the Trinity
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  concept. This is the next attempt to
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  explain Trinity to human beings in these tarantula papers.
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  So let's continue on. Theological reason may be fully
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  satisfied by the concept of the Paradise Trinity or even a
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  personal all loving deity. But philosophical and
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  cosmological reason demand the recognition of the infinite
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  functions in various non father capacities of universal
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  manifestation, including the relationships of the God of
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  force, energy, power, causation, reaction, potentiality,
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  actuality, gravity, tension, pattern, principle and unity.
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  What is the unifying force of all of these anticipants of the
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  material world or the material universe?
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  And again I go back to you. It's hard for many people to
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  understand that a personal God can at one and the same time
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  also be a God of force and energy.
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  And this is perhaps why Trinity introduces and bridges these.
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  It harmonizes these two concepts through the function of the
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  Trinity that make any sense. They go on to write.
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  Mortal man is passing through a great age of expanding horizons
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  and enlarging concepts on Urantia, and his cosmic
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  philosophy must accelerate in evolution to keep pace with the
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  expansion of the intellectual arena of human thought as as the
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  cosmic consciousness. He perceives the
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  interrelatedness of all that he finds in his material science
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  and is and in his intellectual philosophy and is his spiritual
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  insight. So could it be that the Trinity
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  concept actually helps bring these three arenas of reality
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  into cohesion? I'm asking you the Trinity, as
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  it exposes the relationship between God the Father, God the
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  Son, and God the Spirit, then allows us to make that
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  connection between the material, the morantial, and the
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  spiritual. They go on to say, still, with
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  all this belief in the unity of the cosmos, man perceives the
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  diversity of all existence. In spite of all concepts
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  concerning the immutability of deity, man perceives that he
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  lives in a universe of constant change and experiential growth.
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  The Trinity provides the context by which Deity can be seen
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  manifest as both personal as well as in functional unity.
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  That is my interpretation, so I'll say it again.
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  The Trinity provides the context by which Deity can be viewed or
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  manifested as both personal as well as in functional unity.
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  God is both omnificent and distributive through the
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  understanding of the Trinity relationship of God the Father,
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  God the Son, and God the Spirit. So God is both love and law,
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  merciful and just, impersonal in energy and force, but also
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  qualitative and deeply loving as a personal being, even the
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  source of all that is energy and especially all that is
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  personality. You know, one of the things that
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  I like, one of the attributes that I like and appreciate about
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  the Oranga book, it how how it does harmonize the three great
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  realities of our experience, our material world, our intellectual
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  space and our spiritual aspirations, things meaning,
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  value. And I hope that some of what I
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  shared with you from Paper 104 helps you to have a better idea
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  of the concept of the Trinity and how it relates to not only a
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  God of energy and a God of force, but also a God of love
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  and mercy. And these are the things that
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  Jesus spoke about. So we'll see you again soon on
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  the Urantia Radio podcast. And of course, any questions or
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  comments, always feel free to reach out.
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  The e-mail address is urantiabookradio@gmail.com and
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  it's been a pleasure to be with you and I look forward to our
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  next get together.