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The Rita Panahi Show | 10 December · The Rita Panahi Show

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Speaker 1: On scor US Australia.
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Speaker 2: This is the Wedder Panalty Show.
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Speaker 3: Good evening, Welcome to the reader Panahe show. I'm Caroline
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Speaker 3: de Russo coming up tonight. Why Australians are falling out
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Speaker 3: of love with evs. Gary Hargrave joins me shortly and
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Speaker 3: has the rebel leader in Syria had a road to
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Speaker 3: Damascus moment? Or is he just another g hardy? Max
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Speaker 3: Abrams joins me from the US to discuss Keir Starmer's
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Speaker 3: UK labor government continues to make itself stunningly unpopular. I
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Speaker 3: speak to Darren Grimes in London with the latest shock poll,
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Speaker 3: and of course Left is losing it tonight, including this
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Speaker 3: member of the trans community who doesn't understand why they
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Speaker 3: aren't taken seriously.
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Speaker 1: I'm trans and I'm scared for the trans community. This
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Speaker 1: is why people don't take us seriously. The reason our
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Speaker 1: country is self and the reason the rest of the
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Speaker 1: world laughs at us is because of people like me.
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Speaker 4: But first joining me now is Sky News contributor.
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Speaker 3: Gary Hargrave, Gary Kat the CSIRO. They've released the updated
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Speaker 3: gen cost report yesterday, but I still think there's a
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Speaker 3: misunderstanding in the community about what this report is talking about,
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Speaker 3: and I think people need to remember that the costs
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Speaker 3: referred to in the report is the break even cost
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Speaker 3: for investors, you know, to recover their capital operating cost,
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Speaker 3: reasonable rate of return. That what we see in the
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Speaker 3: wholesale cost, it's got nothing to do with the retail
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Speaker 3: price for customers, doesn't include distribution, metering, retail margin, all
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Speaker 3: those sorts of things, and the impact across different regions,
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Speaker 3: different states. The cost stack, well, the wholesale cost is
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Speaker 3: a much of a muchness. We've got this great graph
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Speaker 3: here from AEMO which shows that the wholesale costs plus
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Speaker 3: plus in each state. You know, there are plenty other
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Speaker 3: things which go into the mix before you get to
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Speaker 3: retail prices on top of that wholesale cost. Gary, I
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Speaker 3: just don't know whether this report helps Australians to inform
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Speaker 3: their view on energy alternatives.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and Caron, I'm a former ministry in the Science portfolio,
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Speaker 5: and so I find anything that the CSI seems to
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Speaker 5: do these days politically tinged, and it's about really just
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Speaker 5: keeping happy their political masters, which.
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Speaker 6: Is not what we want from them.
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Speaker 5: Get back to the diet to help Australians lose weight,
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Speaker 5: I say, that's the best thing they've ever done. But
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Speaker 5: this thing is just mischievous, It is misleading, it's lacking
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Speaker 5: the real detail. And you talk about the distribution costs,
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Speaker 5: we cannot gloss over that. Estimates are between one point
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Speaker 5: five and two trillion dollars worth of duplication of the
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Speaker 5: current electricity grid around the country, more poles and wires
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Speaker 5: in more places, more of those big steel staunchings draping
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Speaker 5: across our countryside. And that's how renewables are going to
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Speaker 5: impact upon the vistas of Australia at the very least,
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Speaker 5: let alone the cost factors. So you're right, there are
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Speaker 5: so many other aspects to this, but look it's pretty simple.
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Speaker 6: Yes, when when it blows.
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Speaker 5: Can generate electricity, sun when it shines can generate electricity,
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Speaker 5: but that's only about thirty percent of the time that
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Speaker 5: we need electricity.
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Speaker 6: We need twenty four to seven.
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Speaker 5: And Caroline, we can't have a future made in Australia
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Speaker 5: when currently our present is made in China.
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Speaker 6: That's where all these things are coming from.
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Speaker 5: And I think the Prime Minister and Bohen have completely
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Speaker 5: lost the plot.
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Speaker 6: There's zealotry is not helping Australia's future at all.
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Speaker 3: No, And I do really worry when the conversation when
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Speaker 3: you're talking about energy alternatives is just limited to talking
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Speaker 3: about the comparison on the wholesale costs. I just don't
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Speaker 3: think that that really helps Australian consumers understand the issue.
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Speaker 4: Well.
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Speaker 3: But moving on Gary, but still on the green economy,
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Speaker 3: let's stay with that very piece by Judith Sloan about
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Speaker 3: why consumers aren't taking the EV bait anymore.
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Speaker 4: Look, I'm not surprised.
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Speaker 3: I've gone through EV ownership with jem Atoniini. I didn't
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Speaker 3: own one myself, but it was traumatic for me just
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Speaker 3: watching her own one of these things.
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Speaker 4: But what's the catalyst here?
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Speaker 5: Well, I mean, let's face it, to charge your car,
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Speaker 5: it's exactly the same as it is to keep your
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Speaker 5: house going. And so we've got a house full of
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Speaker 5: fridges and washing machines and things like that. That's the
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Speaker 5: sort of juice you've got to put into your vehicle
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Speaker 5: every day. So look at the current power bill and
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Speaker 5: then double it. That's a pretty good indicator about the cost. Look,
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Speaker 5: I'm pretty agnostic about what's under the front of the car,
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Speaker 5: and I know some of these evs they go like
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Speaker 5: the as we say in Queensland, like the clappers.
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Speaker 6: They get away from the from the traffic lights.
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Speaker 5: Pretty darn fast, and so they've got performance, but how
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Speaker 5: long for?
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Speaker 2: You know?
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Speaker 5: It's they look great in the Strait, but the country
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Speaker 5: maybe not so. And of course the infrastructure to back
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Speaker 5: them up is again big thing, and I think a
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Speaker 5: lot of Australians again.
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Speaker 6: Realizing that it doesn't stack up.
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Speaker 5: So whether it's the paperwork, whether it's the urging by
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Speaker 5: the Greens and people are sick here and the woe
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Speaker 5: Green the agenda they really are Caroline, or whether it's
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Speaker 5: just simply the reality of costs. I think people are
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Speaker 5: going to try and keep their old car going longer
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Speaker 5: because I don't think I can afford these these they're
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Speaker 5: also about twice the retail price in a lot of cases.
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Speaker 5: I know there's some cheap ones coming, so it's not
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Speaker 5: a very compelling argument for most of us.
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Speaker 3: No, And I think a lot of people were sucked
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Speaker 3: in by the tax break, but I'm not sure that
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Speaker 3: the tax break makes up for the inconvenience of actually
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Speaker 3: owning one of these things.
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Speaker 4: Now into something I never thought would happen. In Australia
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Speaker 4: or to Australia, but the.
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Speaker 3: Simon Wisenhal Center, a global Jewish human rights organization, is
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Speaker 3: issued a travel warning to Jews coming to Australia.
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Speaker 4: Gary, is this actually happening to us?
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Speaker 6: Look like you?
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Speaker 5: I am not Jewish, but I've got to say I'm
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Speaker 5: very much so on the Bob Hawk nineteen seventy one
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Speaker 5: view that you know, if the bell tolls for Israel,
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Speaker 5: it's tolling for all of humankind. I greatly believe that
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Speaker 5: what is happening in Israel now is so wrong, but
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Speaker 5: what is happening in Australia is even worse. We've got
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Speaker 5: a Prime Minister who's completely lost his way, lost interest
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Speaker 5: frankly in the job. He's got the girl, the flash house,
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Speaker 5: he's got the lifetime pension, he's got lifetime admittance to
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Speaker 5: the Chairman's lounge, your name it, he's got it. And
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Speaker 5: so I actually think that over Christmas he's going to
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Speaker 5: have to have a real strong talk to himself about
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Speaker 5: whether he can actually keep going, because the failure on
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Speaker 5: this is exposed that he would actually go and play
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Speaker 5: tennis in the Golden Triangle of Perth, beautiful part of
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Speaker 5: the world, Coddsloo, I get it, I understand it. But Fedinkham,
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Speaker 5: the whole community in Melbourne that has supported Labor was
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Speaker 5: mourning the loss of a place of worship and he
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Speaker 5: couldn't actually, on instinct, work out that it was a terrorist.
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Speaker 6: When Prime miises say this.
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Speaker 5: There's a consequence, But on instinct there is something really
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Speaker 5: wrong here and he should have known it from the
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Speaker 5: first moment he heard about it, but he didn't. And
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Speaker 5: so I just think the guy has talked his way
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Speaker 5: out of the job, and sooner he goes the better.
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Speaker 6: That's certainly what I'm hearing around Brisbane. We want him gone,
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Speaker 6: real simple.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I don't think you guys are the only ones.
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Speaker 3: I think you make a really good point though, Gary, like,
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Speaker 3: where are your priorities if your instinct isn't there to prioritize,
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Speaker 3: you know, standing with the Jewish community in solidarity after
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Speaker 3: something like this, and instead it's Labor donus playing tennis
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Speaker 3: and obviously that brand new train set over in Western Australia.
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Speaker 3: It really I think does raise some questions about your
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Speaker 3: judgment and maybe about your motivation for the job.
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Speaker 4: Gary Hargrave, thank you so much for joining us, Thanks Carola.
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Speaker 3: Joining me now is GB News host Darren Grimes Darren UK.
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Speaker 3: Labor has had an impressive dive in popularity since being elected.
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Speaker 3: Their ability to govern, frankly is even worse than I expected.
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Speaker 3: It's all being laid in a recent poll. What's the
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Speaker 3: lightest on Labour's performance.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean it's pretty abysmal actually for the Labor Party.
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Speaker 7: You know, they're looking like they're going to be guaranteed
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Speaker 7: to be a one term government and we're saying that
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Speaker 7: five months after they won a landslide majority. I don't
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Speaker 7: think actually this what we're looking at here with this poll,
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Speaker 7: because what it actually showed was that Nigel Farage's Reform
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Speaker 7: Party was polling ahead of the Labor the governing Labor Party.
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Speaker 7: I don't think this is a blip. I think actually
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Speaker 7: this is the sound of Westminster's very foundations starting to
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Speaker 7: actually crack apart. You know, you've got a mega momentum
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Speaker 7: building in Britain for a party that believes in the
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Speaker 7: nation state, that wants to control its borders, a novel idea,
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Speaker 7: I know, But you Australians managed to do it. Why
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Speaker 7: can't we? We're also an island nation. It's not beyond
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Speaker 7: the widowed man, and actually not to tax everybody out
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Speaker 7: of existence while spending five billion pounds on asylum for
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Speaker 7: illegal migrants and others within this country. It's putting the
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Speaker 7: British people's priorities first, and the Labor Party have been
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Speaker 7: seen to be doing the total opposite of that. So
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Speaker 7: I'm not remotely surprised by this poll.
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Speaker 8: You know, the.
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Speaker 7: Idea of Labor as the voice of the work and class, well,
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Speaker 7: they've been relegated to third place. So Reform it's no
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Speaker 7: longer a fringe party. I think it's starting to look
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Speaker 7: like a genuine contender for power here in Britain.
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Speaker 3: And how do the other parties, the Tories and Reform,
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Speaker 3: how did they make hay out of all.
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Speaker 4: These, you know, being so far out from the next election.
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Speaker 7: I think they continue doing what they're doing. To be
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Speaker 7: perfectly frank with you, I think the Labor Party are
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Speaker 7: doing enough for themselves to make an absolute hash of it.
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Speaker 7: I don't think the winter fuel cut, I don't think
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Speaker 7: that the tax rises, I don't think that the prioritization
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Speaker 7: of illegals over the indigenous population. I don't think they're
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Speaker 7: the kind of things that in four and a half
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Speaker 7: years the Labor Party can have the nation fall into
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Speaker 7: some form of amnesia and forget all about I think
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Speaker 7: their brand now already is incredibly toxic with the British public.
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Speaker 7: No longer is this a protest vote. I think this
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Speaker 7: is a vote and act of saying both of the
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Speaker 7: main political parties the UNI Party, if you will, are
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Speaker 7: two cheeks of the same horrible old behind, and people
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Speaker 7: are wanting to see the behind of that horrible old behind.
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Speaker 4: I love that now.
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Speaker 3: And I'm just curious with your system of elections being
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Speaker 3: first past the post, and here in Australia obviously we
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Speaker 3: have preferential voting. Is there enough room to have two
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Speaker 3: center right parties? How do they help each other out
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Speaker 3: not getting each other's way.
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Speaker 7: Look, I'm not sure that is possible. I think you're
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Speaker 7: right that in this the realities of the first past
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Speaker 7: of the post system, or that the if there are
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Speaker 7: two significant forces on the right of British politics, that
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Speaker 7: they will ultimately be competing for each other's votes. But
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Speaker 7: the really interesting thing is that I think in the
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Speaker 7: so called red wall, so that's like our rust belt,
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Speaker 7: I actually think that reform are the only viable contenders
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Speaker 7: right there, right now. I'm here in the northeast of England,
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Speaker 7: for example, that's the kind of area where Reform are
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Speaker 7: starting to fight through. They're saying, look, we're going to
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Speaker 7: focus on local elections, We're going to recruit dissolutioned MP's
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Speaker 7: and relentlessly target the red Wall heartlands which were supposed
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Speaker 7: to be the Labor Party's bread and butter. But now
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Speaker 7: they're more interested in the likes of the island Tonian
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Speaker 7: middle classes and Islamists. And that ain't the priorities of
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Speaker 7: people up here. I'll tell you that for free.
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Speaker 4: No.
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Speaker 3: And that seems to be not just in the UK,
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Speaker 3: but in the US and even in Australia.
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Speaker 4: You are really seeing that in those.
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Speaker 3: Outer suburban type areas as compared to the inner cities.
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Speaker 3: But let's just continue on on that thought process for
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Speaker 3: a second. Is there room then for a potential coalition
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Speaker 3: between the Tories and Reform, assuming you know, they kind
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Speaker 3: of stick to different sorts of knitting and they they're
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Speaker 3: able to beat the Labor Party.
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Speaker 7: I don't think that will happen. I think ultimately I
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Speaker 7: don't see what would be in reforms interests for that
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Speaker 7: to happen because the Tory brand has been one and
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Speaker 7: you know, you've documented it so many times on this
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Speaker 7: or ghost channel where you're talking about the fact that
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Speaker 7: British people in twenty ten, twenty fifteen, twenty seventeen, twenty nineteen,
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Speaker 7: all of those times they've voted for the Conservatives on
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Speaker 7: a commitment to reduce net migration to this country. We
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Speaker 7: just had a million people come to this country last year.
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Speaker 7: A million people. That's a city the size of Birmingham,
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Speaker 7: and that is unsustainable and it's a complete betrayal of
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Speaker 7: the trust and the faith that was put in that
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Speaker 7: party each on each of those occasions in different strands
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Speaker 7: of Conservatism. And I think that betrayal isn't going to
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Speaker 7: go away from the mind of the British public over
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Speaker 7: the next four and a half years. So I think
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Speaker 7: Reform would be mad, frankly, to sign up to any
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Speaker 7: kind of formal agreement at this stage. We'll see what happens.
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Speaker 7: Four and a half years is a very long time
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Speaker 7: in a lot of times, but that betrayal that's still
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Speaker 7: very sore for a lot of people.
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Speaker 3: And fair enough, absolutely fair enough, and look, you know,
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Speaker 3: let's go back to libor that.
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Speaker 4: You know, there's been plenty of.
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Speaker 3: Coverage in the Chris regarding labor's cuts to the pensioners'
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Speaker 3: energy payments. So much for the compassionate side of politics.
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Speaker 3: But we'll park that to one side.
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Speaker 4: Apparently it's getting worse.
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Speaker 3: New Reach research is showing that pensioners are now skipping
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Speaker 3: meals because of financial concerns.
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Speaker 4: How are these people meant to get through the winter.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a very good question.
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Speaker 7: Also, whilst in pursuit of net zero or madness, you know,
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Speaker 7: we're not fortunate like the Australians, where you know, you
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Speaker 7: still have in some respects at least a viable energy policy.
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Speaker 7: I think in this country we have gone so far
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Speaker 7: over the other edge that you know, we're shivering in
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Speaker 7: our homes expecting wind turbines to turn on. Just the
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Speaker 7: other day we had a storm called Storm Darrah, and
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Speaker 7: by the way, the wind was blowing so hard that
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Speaker 7: the wind turbines that were all reliant upon now weren't
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Speaker 7: even spinning. I mean, make of that what you will.
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Speaker 7: The problem here is that we're saying to people you
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Speaker 7: can't have gas, you can't have coal. We didn't go
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Speaker 7: into nuclear, so we haven't got that, so effectively, you're
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Speaker 7: stuck with high sky high energy bills, the highest in Europe,
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Speaker 7: the highest in the developed world, frankly, and pensioners are
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Speaker 7: now being told that their winter fuel payment will be
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Speaker 7: taken from them as well. So basically the Labor Party
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Speaker 7: policy is saying to pensioners, you will sit quietly, you
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Speaker 7: will shiver in the cold, and you will be grateful
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Speaker 7: for it, despite your contribution to this country throughout your
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Speaker 7: working life. I think it's an act of as you say,
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Speaker 7: where is the compassion. It's an act of great cruelty.
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Speaker 7: And the idea that's slashing it now at this point
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Speaker 7: for over nine million pensioners being a good idea when
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Speaker 7: our energy policy is nuttier than a fruitcake. I just
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Speaker 7: can't make heads or tails of it. I really can't.
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Speaker 4: Well.
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Speaker 3: Libra are trying to save one point four billion pounds apparently,
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Speaker 3: but I refuse to believe that there isn't room to
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Speaker 3: cut costs elsewhere. But honestly, why would you choose something like.
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Speaker 7: This because simple fact, pensioners primarily do not vote for
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Speaker 7: the Labor Party. They do not vote for the left,
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Speaker 7: you know, but pensioners on pension credit which is a
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Speaker 7: form of benefit in this country. Who do qualify for
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Speaker 7: the winter fuel allowance, they're not aware that they are
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Speaker 7: able to actually get this payment. And they're making eleven
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Speaker 7: thousand pounds. That's not a lot of money. I very
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Speaker 7: much doubt secure starmer could survive on eleven thousand pounds.
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Speaker 7: The Party claims to be the party of the work
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Speaker 7: and class, but now it's force and pensioners, as you
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Speaker 7: rightly identify, to choose between heating and eating. But where
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Speaker 7: a nation spending billions on international aid on asylum within
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Speaker 7: this country, even if you've come here illegally, you get bared,
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Speaker 7: you get bored, you get better, and if it's you
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Speaker 7: get energy bills, your life is taken care of. Yet
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Speaker 7: we can't seem to find the money to ensure our
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Speaker 7: elderly have dignity and that Britain can keep itself warm
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Speaker 7: at winter. Effectively, the Labor Party need to rethink their
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Speaker 7: priorities because they are very fast becoming known and synonymous
17:21
Speaker 7: with that word betrayal, just as the Conservatives were. And ah,
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Speaker 7: and that is pretty damning, as they found out to
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Speaker 7: their cost the Conservative Party. So I'm just I'm insensed
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Speaker 7: by what's happening in my country. I don't recognize what's
17:37
Speaker 7: happening in my country, but I'm also filled with hope
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Speaker 7: and optimism that we might actually get some change away
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Speaker 7: from the uniparty, because they've both made such a frightful
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Speaker 7: mess of everything in this country.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, but the Brits, you know, you always do have
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Speaker 3: a sense of humor, and the lackluster performance of this
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Speaker 3: government has spact Christmas parodies of Kio Stama.
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Speaker 4: Here it is.
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Speaker 2: It'll be freezing?
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Speaker 9: Is Christmas without fuel at home?
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Speaker 7: It'll be freezing?
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Speaker 9: Is Christmass weller stars warm?
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Speaker 2: It'll be cold, so cold with that few at home?
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Speaker 2: It is Christmas. She told me she doesn't get outuntil midday.
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Speaker 6: Because she didn't want to tell her hit.
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Speaker 4: You A video like this was bound to happen, wasn't it, Darren?
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Speaker 7: Yeah? Absolutely, I mean you're right, you've got to laugh
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Speaker 7: while you'll cry. I mean, hopefully Pension is watching this
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Speaker 7: will be laughing themselves so hard that it keeps them
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Speaker 7: slightly more moderately warmer than Sakir Starmer, no doubt, with
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Speaker 7: his central heating blaring in Number ten Downing Street. I mean,
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Speaker 7: this has taken the country by storm right. This is
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Speaker 7: channeling the anger, the frustration of millions who feel that
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Speaker 7: betrayal Chris Middleton and the performers. There's Sir Starmer and
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Speaker 7: the Granny Harmers. I mean, if your moniker is Granny Harmer,
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Speaker 7: I would suggest that your pr machine probably isn't working
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Speaker 7: quite as effectively as you hoped. You know, this is
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Speaker 7: a rallying cry. I hope it climbs in the charts
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Speaker 7: and actually could become the Christmas number one, because we're
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Speaker 7: not going to sit here while our pensioners struggle in
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Speaker 7: this winter snap. You know, the biting lyrics here and
19:33
Speaker 7: the humorists take it's serious, but it perfectly captures the mood.
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Speaker 7: It's not entertainment. It's a form of activism and that
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Speaker 7: should be really quite scary, orso, Keir Starmer, because every
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Speaker 7: download is a slap in the face to a party
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Speaker 7: that just won four hundred odds seats in a parliament
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Speaker 7: with only six hundred and fifty of them. You know,
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Speaker 7: that is a damning indictment of what the decisions and
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Speaker 7: priorities they've made whilst getting into government a million old people,
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Speaker 7: as you said earlier, skipping meals millions more turning off
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Speaker 7: the heating because they can't afford it. I mean, come on,
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Speaker 7: we're meant to be the sixth biggest time.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely extraordinary. It is absolutely extraordinary. And it's not just
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Speaker 3: a government. But we've seen a few recent examples of
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Speaker 3: the police in the UK policing opinions that they don't
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Speaker 3: appear to like.
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Speaker 4: Here is the latest example, arresting.
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Speaker 10: You abscission of improper use of the electronics communications network.
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Speaker 7: I'm going to be arresting some comments that are offensive
20:43
Speaker 7: of scene and people have made complaints about that and.
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Speaker 2: It's translated this comment.
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Speaker 4: Will do that when we interview. I know I've been
20:55
Speaker 4: very gobsmacked.
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Speaker 3: I feel like throughout this entire interview, but this actually
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Speaker 3: can't be real, can it?
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Speaker 11: Oh?
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Speaker 6: No, it very much can be.
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Speaker 1: You know.
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Speaker 7: I am the proud recipient of something called a non
21:08
Speaker 7: crime hate incident. Now the police in this country moderate
21:13
Speaker 7: non crimes. And this was because I conducted an interview
21:16
Speaker 7: during the Black Lives Matter madness that enveloped the country
21:19
Speaker 7: over a dead American criminal. I have no idea why
21:23
Speaker 7: it came over to this country. I aired an interview
21:25
Speaker 7: with a renowned historian in this country and As a consequence,
21:30
Speaker 7: I was slapped with an investigation that amounted to nothing.
21:33
Speaker 7: The Home Secretary even got involved, but I still have
21:36
Speaker 7: a non crime hate incident against my name. Now that
21:41
Speaker 7: if you do a deep background check as a British citizen,
21:45
Speaker 7: that comes up on your police record. So it makes
21:48
Speaker 7: you sound like some kind of real wrongman, when actually
21:52
Speaker 7: you're just a journalist who's exploring ideas that go against
21:56
Speaker 7: the consensus of the moment, the zeitgeist of moment. So
22:02
Speaker 7: what's happening there? This guy posted on his social media
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Speaker 7: account and someone's made a complaint and the police have
22:10
Speaker 7: decided to look into it.
22:12
Speaker 6: But I'll tell you what.
22:14
Speaker 7: The police are loathed to actually look into burglaries, to
22:17
Speaker 7: look into fifth to your phone being swept off the
22:20
Speaker 7: streets of London. They will do absolutely everything but police
22:26
Speaker 7: actual crime. We are fast becoming an incredibly authoritarian state
22:33
Speaker 7: in which the police are there to pervert what we
22:36
Speaker 7: say online over what's actually done to us on our streets.
22:42
Speaker 7: And that's how they quickly lose their consent of the
22:45
Speaker 7: public and the faith in them by the public, who,
22:48
Speaker 7: let's not forget, are their employers.
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Speaker 3: Ultimately, yeah, absolutely, and just for me, I have a
22:55
Speaker 3: legal background. The very thought of non crime being on
22:59
Speaker 3: your criminal record, I just find an extraordinary But anyway,
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Speaker 3: thank you, Darren Grimes, thank you so much for your time.
23:06
Speaker 7: An absolute pleasure still to come.
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Speaker 4: Left is losing it.
23:10
Speaker 3: Plus we're joined by an international security expert to break
23:13
Speaker 3: down the fall of the Assad regime in Syria. Max
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Speaker 3: Abrams is next. Now it's time for lefties losing it.
23:29
Speaker 3: And we know the left is struggling to deal with
23:31
Speaker 3: the prospect of a second Trump presidency that there has
23:34
Speaker 3: been very well documented, but they can't or won't spare Milania.
23:39
Speaker 3: Take a look at this performative rubbish, please.
23:51
Speaker 1: Please please.
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Speaker 3: Honest Now, I'm not quite sure what that was supposed
24:05
Speaker 3: to achieve, other than maybe some gratuitous backslapping from other
24:08
Speaker 3: jaundice progressives who also still cannot grasp that democracy means
24:13
Speaker 3: that sometimes your team doesn't win. And then there's this
24:17
Speaker 3: trans person who, like I said at the top of
24:19
Speaker 3: the show, can't understand why they aren't taken seriously.
24:23
Speaker 1: I'm trans and I'm scared for the trans community. This
24:26
Speaker 1: is why people don't take us seriously. Me me personally,
24:32
Speaker 1: me getting on TikTok and making my funny little skit
24:35
Speaker 1: videos about funny little interactions I've had in life. I'm
24:39
Speaker 1: the reason they don't take it seriously me personally, you know.
24:43
Speaker 1: I also get comments like this and people saying that
24:45
Speaker 1: the reason the American economy is bad it's because people
24:49
Speaker 1: like me, and the reason our country is so and
24:51
Speaker 1: the reason the rest of the world laughs at us
24:53
Speaker 1: is because of people like me.
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Speaker 3: I could give this particular individual a laundry list of
24:58
Speaker 3: the reason why they aren't taken seriously. We could start
25:01
Speaker 3: with the hair and the makeup and the bull ring,
25:03
Speaker 3: the size of Texas and if that isn't enough performance,
25:07
Speaker 3: there's Dylan mulvaney celebrating one thousand days as a girl.
25:12
Speaker 2: Did you hear it's day one thousands? At day one
25:17
Speaker 2: thousands of.
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Speaker 9: God, these are days, these are days, these are days
25:27
Speaker 9: of girlhood.
25:29
Speaker 3: I've spent forty years as a girl and I'm looking
25:31
Speaker 3: forward to the global celebration in my honor. The Sydney
25:34
Speaker 3: New Year's Fireworks is a good start. And while pensioners
25:38
Speaker 3: in the UK having their energy payment slash, the BBC
25:43
Speaker 3: is burning taxpayers money on a new comedy. It's called
25:46
Speaker 3: Ginger's house, and it's set in a drag queen's home.
25:50
Speaker 3: In each episode, another drag queen visits and ends up
25:53
Speaker 3: being asked to do a chore.
25:55
Speaker 4: Episode one's chall is burying a hamster.
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Speaker 6: Do you want to sugar?
26:01
Speaker 5: Oh?
26:01
Speaker 6: Yes, just want to please girl? There you go? Thank you?
26:15
Speaker 8: So?
26:15
Speaker 6: Uh, what we're gonna do with this little hand?
26:17
Speaker 1: So we're gonna.
26:18
Speaker 6: Clean out the case? Give him a bath? What do
26:20
Speaker 6: you want to do?
26:21
Speaker 7: No, sweetheart, We're going to barrier.
26:26
Speaker 3: I wish I was joking. And here, of course, is
26:30
Speaker 3: the latest hysteria from the view.
26:33
Speaker 4: Because we're legal, we are successful.
26:36
Speaker 2: We are.
26:36
Speaker 12: But if you're an illegal in this country, you're not
26:39
Speaker 12: going to be not in apparent, or you are were
26:41
Speaker 12: a woman working.
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Speaker 8: For the Department of Defense, you have a right to
26:45
Speaker 8: be in a panic.
26:46
Speaker 4: You tell people.
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Speaker 10: To stay fraud and like this, I'm telling people to prepare.
26:52
Speaker 1: Whoopee, I'm telling people are not prepared.
26:55
Speaker 2: They are prepared.
26:56
Speaker 4: So that means I'm saying that means that they can
26:58
Speaker 4: be relaxing and enjoying. No, it doesn't mean winter, it does,
27:02
Speaker 4: you know what. I'm sorry? I mean winter is here.
27:06
Speaker 3: These people have already survived one Trump presidency, and at
27:09
Speaker 3: least this time, Trump is a known quantity, But it
27:13
Speaker 3: seems that historyonics is in no danger of abating. Stay tuned,
27:17
Speaker 3: ladies and gents, expect there to be more of this.
27:21
Speaker 3: And here is probably the most cynical take I have
27:25
Speaker 3: ever seen on a father spending time with his son.
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Speaker 9: I did not think I could like this guy any less.
27:30
Speaker 9: You cannot tell me this was not to protect himself,
27:34
Speaker 9: and in what a disgusting fashion than to put your
27:38
Speaker 9: four year old child in harm's way to protect yourself.
27:42
Speaker 9: Why didn't you walk with him holding his hand? Why
27:45
Speaker 9: was he on his shoulders right behind his head? Why
27:49
Speaker 9: wasn't he just holding his hand? He's four, he can walk?
27:53
Speaker 9: Because this, oh my god.
27:57
Speaker 3: Mostly this just begs the question why should Musk even
28:01
Speaker 3: think his safety is under threat?
28:04
Speaker 4: Who are these people joining me now?
28:07
Speaker 3: Is international security expert Professor Max Abrams.
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Speaker 4: Max, thanks for joining us now. Before we get into.
28:13
Speaker 3: The situation in Syria, i'd like to get your opinion
28:15
Speaker 3: on Trump's Secretary of Defense, Peak peak Headseth the left
28:20
Speaker 3: of being a meltdown over this.
28:22
Speaker 4: Take a look.
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Speaker 12: I have grave concerns about peace hag Seth as Secretary
28:26
Speaker 12: of Defense. He's wholly unqualified for it. This is overseeing
28:29
Speaker 12: the entire US military, the personnel population under it, the families,
28:33
Speaker 12: the dependence that is not someone who should be there,
28:36
Speaker 12: and then add.
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Speaker 4: To it the moral failings.
28:38
Speaker 12: These are rules where you put people in them who
28:40
Speaker 12: the force can look up to, who they can admire,
28:42
Speaker 12: people who have family values. This should be disqualifying, and
28:46
Speaker 12: I actually think the Senate has very real concerns about
28:49
Speaker 12: hag Seth.
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Speaker 4: But Trump he stands by his peak.
28:52
Speaker 1: Do you still have confidence in Pete hegxas, Yes.
28:54
Speaker 11: I do, I really do. He's a very smart guy.
28:57
Speaker 11: I've known him through Fox, but I've known him for
28:59
Speaker 11: a long time and he's basically a military guy. I mean,
29:03
Speaker 11: every time I talked to him, all he wants to
29:04
Speaker 11: talk about is the military. He's a military guy. I
29:07
Speaker 11: used to kid him about it.
29:08
Speaker 2: I didn't think would be.
29:09
Speaker 11: In this position where he may be hopefully will be
29:12
Speaker 11: Secretary of Defense. But every time I was with him,
29:16
Speaker 11: he was fighting for soldiers where he said some soldier
29:20
Speaker 11: was unjustly put in prison because they were really doing
29:24
Speaker 11: what they were taught to do in some cases. So yeah,
29:28
Speaker 11: I think he's going to do fine.
29:30
Speaker 3: Now, Max peyt Hag sith, he's a US military veteran,
29:33
Speaker 3: he served in Afghanistan and Iraq.
29:35
Speaker 4: Do you think he's a right man for the job.
29:39
Speaker 2: I think that Trump picked him for a reason. It's
29:42
Speaker 2: not at all surprising that his critics on the left
29:45
Speaker 2: to criticize everything, criticize this choice as well. When you
29:50
Speaker 2: look at what the criticisms are, they're, you know, not
29:55
Speaker 2: they're extremely trivial. Frankly, you know that he had a
29:59
Speaker 2: drink at Tenant on Saint Patrick's Day or whatever it is.
30:04
Speaker 2: There are unconfirmed allegations of impropriety with women as evidence.
30:12
Speaker 2: They put forward an email from his mother, who now
30:17
Speaker 2: says that the email doesn't accurately reflect her views and
30:23
Speaker 2: that she's sorry that she wrote it and it's being misconstrued.
30:27
Speaker 2: These are not subsitive critiques of his ability to lead
30:32
Speaker 2: the Pentagon. The reason why he's chosen is because he's
30:36
Speaker 2: seen as a good spokesperson for Donald Trump's military views.
30:43
Speaker 2: Pete is seen as representing the veterans as being America first,
30:49
Speaker 2: as not getting the United States bogged down in unnecessary wars,
30:54
Speaker 2: as well as rooting out some of the left wing
30:57
Speaker 2: extremism that has infected the Pentagon, the so called dei,
31:04
Speaker 2: the woke is, and to really prioritize mirror and frankly lethality.
31:12
Speaker 2: So I think that Trump is going to stick with
31:15
Speaker 2: Pete and I expect the appointment through.
31:21
Speaker 3: And look, let's be honest, if sparkly perfect family values
31:25
Speaker 3: was a requirement, you'd probably be emptying out half of Washington.
31:29
Speaker 4: It wouldn't just be Pete. Hegseth.
31:31
Speaker 3: Now, just on Trump, and a new pole has recently
31:34
Speaker 3: revealed that Canadians seem to approve of Trump over their
31:38
Speaker 3: Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau.
31:40
Speaker 4: Can you explain this polling data to us?
31:44
Speaker 2: I mean, let's be honest, Canada is a mass. Whenever
31:48
Speaker 2: there's a story about Canada, it's almost never good. It
31:53
Speaker 2: seems like every night, or several times a week. I'm
31:56
Speaker 2: looking at I mean, it looks like the Gaza strip. There.
32:01
Speaker 2: There's there's violence, there's extremism. It's an example of what
32:07
Speaker 2: happens when the leader of a country is a left
32:11
Speaker 2: wing extremist. And you compare that to Donald Trump's record
32:15
Speaker 2: and it's much better. Just this week, there was a
32:18
Speaker 2: major international event where they were essentially reopening, rededicating the
32:25
Speaker 2: note true Dame because it had been referring after the
32:29
Speaker 2: big fire. And Donald Trump showed up there And this
32:34
Speaker 2: might be subjective, but really the way that he was
32:38
Speaker 2: interacting with the heads of state, it made me feel
32:43
Speaker 2: almost like America was back. And you contrast with some
32:47
Speaker 2: of the left wing leaders Trudeau and even Joe Biden,
32:52
Speaker 2: and the really just isn't that that same international reception?
32:59
Speaker 4: Yeah, the gravity that goes along with it.
33:01
Speaker 3: Now moving on to Sirius I mentioned at the top,
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Speaker 3: look the world. We've just seen this huge change in
33:07
Speaker 3: the landscaping Syria and in a matter of days, what's
33:10
Speaker 3: the latest there at the moment.
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Speaker 2: It's been absolutely unbelievable to watch the last couple of
33:17
Speaker 2: weeks in Syria. Remember, there was an enormous war that
33:22
Speaker 2: happened between Assad and all of these Islamist rebels, and
33:27
Speaker 2: it went on for years, and the hundreds of thousands
33:30
Speaker 2: of deaths and hundreds of thousands, even more of millions
33:35
Speaker 2: of displaced people, and just in a matter of a
33:38
Speaker 2: couple of weeks, the so called rebels, when we wanted,
33:42
Speaker 2: Sid's opposition just steam rolled through the country with almost
33:47
Speaker 2: no opposition deposing Assad, and so what we're now seeing
33:53
Speaker 2: is that these you know, so called rebels are in
33:56
Speaker 2: a leadership. They are now the government in a reminiscent
34:01
Speaker 2: of what happened in Afghanistan where the Towerbion was in
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Speaker 2: the opposition. Obviously they were tinged very badly with terrorism,
34:12
Speaker 2: and then they became the government. And now we're seeing
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Speaker 2: now in Damascus.
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Speaker 3: Now, look, there has been plenty of discussion about these
34:21
Speaker 3: rebels and obviously they've taken over huge ways of Syria.
34:26
Speaker 3: What does this mean for the transfer of power? I mean,
34:29
Speaker 3: obviously people are delighted at the fall of the Assad regime,
34:32
Speaker 3: no doubt, but what are they actually getting in its place?
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Speaker 2: It's an extremely difficult picture in terms of the inclination
34:44
Speaker 2: to root for one side or the other. And the
34:47
Speaker 2: reason is is because so many of the actors in
34:50
Speaker 2: Syria were frankly terrible. So Asad, you know, gast As people.
34:57
Speaker 2: Just this past day they opened the prison. Essentially they
35:01
Speaker 2: were dungeons, torture chambers for thousands of Syrians. Asad of
35:06
Speaker 2: course was in cahoots with Hezbollah and other Iranian terrorist proxies.
35:14
Speaker 2: On the other hand, he's been deposed now and the
35:17
Speaker 2: people who have been empowered are literally former Islamic State
35:23
Speaker 2: and al Qaeda guys. So the leader of the main
35:27
Speaker 2: rebel group, which we call HTS, he was a subordin
35:33
Speaker 2: of Baghdaddy, the leader of Islamic State. He went into
35:37
Speaker 2: Syria and branched out and was the founder of the
35:40
Speaker 2: al Qaeda affiliate in Syria. These are Salafi Jihadis, their Islamis,
35:47
Speaker 2: their political views are very extreme. They have a tremendous
35:51
Speaker 2: amount of blood on their hands. And now the leadership
35:56
Speaker 2: is saying all the right things. They're saying that today
36:00
Speaker 2: is a different day, that they understand the urgency of moderation,
36:05
Speaker 2: that they want to preside over the entire country, and
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Speaker 2: they're not going to pursue the minorities, and they are
36:12
Speaker 2: eschewing terrorism and they want to be removed from being
36:16
Speaker 2: designated as a terrorist group. So the leadership is savvy.
36:23
Speaker 2: Whether or not it's actually predictive of their behavior remains
36:27
Speaker 2: to be seen. Personally, I think that we're in a
36:30
Speaker 2: period of elevated international terrorism risk. One of the things
36:35
Speaker 2: that SAD used to do in Syria, in addition to
36:39
Speaker 2: completely mistreating its population and sometimes killing them, is that
36:44
Speaker 2: the Syrian Arab Army would actually confront Islamic State. And
36:50
Speaker 2: so now there are real questions about will there be
36:54
Speaker 2: Islamic State resurgence without the Syrian Arab Army, will there
36:59
Speaker 2: be a power vacuum, and how will the new government
37:03
Speaker 2: respond to Islamic State. And it's really for that reason
37:07
Speaker 2: that over the past couple of days the United States
37:10
Speaker 2: has really helped up its bombing of Islamic State targets.
37:16
Speaker 2: I am happy to see a sad go. I am
37:18
Speaker 2: happy to see a weakening of the so called access
37:21
Speaker 2: of resistance, a weakening of Iran and its terrorist proxies.
37:26
Speaker 2: But I do worry that these radical Sunni militants will
37:31
Speaker 2: continue with their extreme ways and that we may actually
37:34
Speaker 2: see an elevated terrorism risk internationally.
37:40
Speaker 3: And not only that, but also danger I suppose for
37:44
Speaker 3: those minority communities within Syria, the Druids, the Christians and
37:49
Speaker 3: the Kurds.
37:49
Speaker 4: And I just want to go back to this rebel
37:52
Speaker 4: leader al Jilani, you know, former al Qaeda commander.
37:57
Speaker 3: The left wing media seemed to be reporting, like you said,
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Speaker 3: if he's moderated and enlightened and excused, the pun has
38:03
Speaker 3: had his road to Damascus moment, no doubt, you'll all
38:08
Speaker 3: and we all remember the commentary around the Taliban after
38:12
Speaker 3: the fall of Afghanistan.
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Speaker 4: You know, this latest on this latest occasion.
38:17
Speaker 3: You know they were all going to be new aged
38:19
Speaker 3: and inclusive, and look what we've seen play out in Afghanistan.
38:24
Speaker 3: Is there the possibility that we see this also happen
38:28
Speaker 3: in Syria and have the left wing media maybe just
38:32
Speaker 3: been a little too optimistic too early.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think that that's a good way to
38:38
Speaker 2: put it. I do think that they're too optimistic too early.
38:44
Speaker 2: EACHTS has an absolutely terrible truck recker. The leader was
38:48
Speaker 2: Islamic ste as well as al Qaeda at a very
38:50
Speaker 2: high level. He was the subordinate. Too bad daddy. So
38:56
Speaker 2: we'll see how much this group has genuinely modeled. It
39:00
Speaker 2: should also be said that the task before HTS is enormous.
39:07
Speaker 2: Syria is a very fractured country with many different kinds
39:13
Speaker 2: of demographic groups. You have the Sunni majority, but you
39:18
Speaker 2: also have Alloyites, you have Kurds and people in between.
39:24
Speaker 2: In Syria is not a country with a tradition historically
39:29
Speaker 2: of democracy, certainly not liberal democracy, and so I really
39:35
Speaker 2: don't expect things to go that smoothly for this new government.
39:40
Speaker 2: I will be surprised if the government is able to,
39:45
Speaker 2: you know, even provide basic services into the future. I
39:50
Speaker 2: will be surprised if these groups, you know, are not victimized.
39:55
Speaker 2: You also have to include the fact that Turkey has
39:58
Speaker 2: its eyes on ramping up attacks even more against the Kurds.
40:04
Speaker 2: Does the government in Damascus, how will it respond Erduwan
40:09
Speaker 2: views the government as an ally, so I worry in
40:13
Speaker 2: particular about the Kurds. They were really our main ground
40:17
Speaker 2: forces during the heyday of Islamic State and helped us
40:21
Speaker 2: to defeat the Califate there. I also have concerns that
40:28
Speaker 2: with this new government it will spur attacks even outside
40:33
Speaker 2: the region. When Eahts assumed power just over the past
40:38
Speaker 2: couple of days, it was immediately congratulated by the Taliban,
40:43
Speaker 2: by Hamas, by a branch of Palestinian Islamic Jihad, and
40:50
Speaker 2: by multiple Al Qaeda affiliates. I find it very hard
40:54
Speaker 2: to believe that we're going to have a good impression
40:59
Speaker 2: of government that is being celebrated by so many of
41:03
Speaker 2: the worst terrorists in the world.
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Speaker 3: I totally agree, and look, we're just going to have
41:10
Speaker 3: to wait and see. It'll also be interesting to see
41:13
Speaker 3: what happens over the next few weeks with the changing
41:16
Speaker 3: presidency in the US.
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Speaker 4: I mean, who knows what is going to happen.
41:21
Speaker 3: We'll all have to wait and see. Thank you so much,
41:23
Speaker 3: Max Abrams, so.
41:26
Speaker 4: Much still to come.
41:27
Speaker 3: Claire Row joins me to explain why old school teaching
41:30
Speaker 3: methods are back in fashion and improving outcomes for kids.
41:44
Speaker 4: Welcome back.
41:45
Speaker 3: Joining me now is child, an adolescent psychologist and SKYE
41:48
Speaker 3: News contributor Claire Row. Claire, we saw the Federal Parliament
41:52
Speaker 3: past legislation last week banning social media for children under
41:55
Speaker 3: sixteen years old. What have parents been saying to you
41:59
Speaker 3: following that new being passed?
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Speaker 10: Yeah, thanks Caroline. It's interesting because I'm already actually seeing
42:06
Speaker 10: the impact of this law already. So most parents I
42:10
Speaker 10: talked to are pretty happy about this. They're feeling empowered,
42:13
Speaker 10: they're feeling like they can say no. I mean, I've
42:16
Speaker 10: always said that that was the answer anyway, right, this
42:18
Speaker 10: problem could have been solved tomorrow if parents banded together.
42:22
Speaker 10: We didn't actually need the government. But anyway, that wasn't happening.
42:26
Speaker 10: I'm already seeing obviously, if you've got a kid who's eleven,
42:29
Speaker 10: twelve years old. They're heading off to high school next year.
42:32
Speaker 10: Parents are now saying, no, you can't have social media
42:34
Speaker 10: because you know it's going to be banned in twelve
42:36
Speaker 10: months time anyway, And so they're going to have the
42:39
Speaker 10: fight of their lives if they give it to them
42:41
Speaker 10: for twelve months and then try to remove it. So
42:45
Speaker 10: most parents I'm talked talking with are pretty happy about this.
42:49
Speaker 10: I know that, you know, I was not always on
42:52
Speaker 10: board as a supporter of this. I don't condone government
42:55
Speaker 10: telling us how to parent, but at the end of
42:58
Speaker 10: the day, I'm seeing kids every day. This is literally
43:02
Speaker 10: killing our kids and the mental health effects I think
43:06
Speaker 10: outweigh any ridiculous argument, particularly disappointingly by mental health groups
43:12
Speaker 10: saying that social media is a place where kids can
43:16
Speaker 10: come together and protect some aspects of their mental health.
43:20
Speaker 10: I just don't buy into that argument at all.
43:25
Speaker 3: And do you think that in a broader sense, if
43:27
Speaker 3: kids aren't going to be on social media, they can
43:29
Speaker 3: be outdoing other things like I know that we have
43:33
Speaker 3: a lot of online interaction, but one of the you know,
43:36
Speaker 3: good old old fashioned kids playing with each other in person.
43:42
Speaker 4: Yeah, so obviously.
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Speaker 10: One of the arguments, you know, that's talked about a
43:46
Speaker 10: lot against social media is what they're seeing online. But actually,
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Speaker 10: I've spoken for nearly a decade now, I think the
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Speaker 10: biggest impact of social media is what they're not doing.
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Speaker 10: So if I look at a kids in usage, you know,
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Speaker 10: it's six seven hours a day, and so we have
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Speaker 10: to ask what was the previous generation doing with that
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Speaker 10: six or seven hours, And you're right, they were socializing,
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Speaker 10: they were talking to each other, they were sleeping, you
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Speaker 10: know kids don't sleep these days. They were having dinners
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Speaker 10: with their family, they were out exercising. So for me,
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Speaker 10: it's not just about the predatory behavior and the junk
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Speaker 10: on social media. It's about the complete addiction of looking
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Speaker 10: into a little black box and not doing all these
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Speaker 10: other things which are really important for development. So you're right,
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Speaker 10: we might actually just get back to some socialization without
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Speaker 10: arguing that they have to connect somehow online and.
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Speaker 2: Schools have already proven that right.
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Speaker 10: So the school band has been the best thing that
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Speaker 10: the new South Wales government brought in and kids have
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Speaker 10: moved from staring into their screens on the playground to
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Speaker 10: talking to each other, so that that's just proven a
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Speaker 10: massively positive move.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so, I tend to agree with that.
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Speaker 8: And still on schools and appears old is new again,
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Speaker 8: and the twenty twenty four NAP Plan results have been
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Speaker 8: pre significantly with the recent return of the old school
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Speaker 8: the direct instruction teaching, which no doubt you and I
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Speaker 8: both had.
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Speaker 3: But can you explain to us why children learn better
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Speaker 3: this way?
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Speaker 4: Yeah?
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Speaker 10: Well, I think a lot of parents and certainly grandparents
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Speaker 10: who are hearing this news actually might think I had
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Speaker 10: no idea that classrooms were not done in this way.
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Speaker 10: You know this we're talking about old school stuff, but
45:36
Speaker 10: it's actually just really common sense. So these days, the
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Speaker 10: last at least generation have had a massive educational experiment
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Speaker 10: on them and a move away from the teacher teaching,
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Speaker 10: and we've gone to this student led teaching approach where
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Speaker 10: it's collaborative and they have to discover the answers themselves
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Speaker 10: in groups. And you know, we need to go back
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Speaker 10: to explicit teaching rote learning. We know developmentally and cognitively,
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Speaker 10: that's actually how the brain learns. It learns by breaking
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Speaker 10: things down into chunks. It learns from modeling from an
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Speaker 10: authority figure, it learns from.
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Speaker 2: Structure, and so We've got.
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Speaker 10: A couple of schools now that have returned to this,
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Speaker 10: and surprise, surprise, the naplan results outstanding and better than
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Speaker 10: they've ever been. So this experimentation, and that's all I
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Speaker 10: can call it, because what was working in kind of
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Speaker 10: the early nineties changed.
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Speaker 2: By the mid nineties.
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Speaker 10: And this is a case is of you know, if
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Speaker 10: it ain't broke, don't fix it. So we need to
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Speaker 10: get back to that teacher led explicit instruction, learning in
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Speaker 10: times tables, regular testing like your spelling test on a Friday.
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Speaker 10: That's the type of teaching we need to get back
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Speaker 10: to because the evidence is really clear that that's what
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Speaker 10: produces the academic results.
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Speaker 3: And I can never understand why they stuff around with
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Speaker 3: things which work. There's plenty of things in and around
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Speaker 3: education that don't work. Why don't they focus the bureacrats
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Speaker 3: focus on those problems rather than stuffing around with the
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Speaker 3: things that do work and making it all worse. But
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Speaker 3: there was also this week a really interesting report by
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Speaker 3: the ABC which suggests that intervention as early as preschool
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Speaker 3: can help reduce youth crime. Now what kind of intervention
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Speaker 3: are they are they speaking of? And why is it
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Speaker 3: so helpful?
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Speaker 6: Yeah?
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Speaker 10: Well, this was interesting, and this study looks at getting
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Speaker 10: in there and closing the gap for some particularly disadvantaged children.
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Speaker 7: And we know that if we can get in and.
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Speaker 10: Have a multi pronged attack on things like their communication
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Speaker 10: and verbal skills. This study also works with parents at
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Speaker 10: home on behavioral management and supporting families. So we're trying
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Speaker 10: to close the gap on low social economic kids.
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Speaker 2: And disadvantage kids.
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Speaker 10: Then absolutely the trajectory for those kids is going to
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Speaker 10: be really much better and steer them away ten years
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Speaker 10: later from juvenile crime. So this is a really confirming
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Speaker 10: study to what psychologists have said for a long time
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Speaker 10: that early intervention makes the world of difference.
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Speaker 2: I would just.
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Speaker 10: Say though, as well, I think we need to have
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Speaker 10: a real good balance between these wonderful programs at a
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Speaker 10: preschool age, but they also investment into families to help
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Speaker 10: them keep kids at home if that's what they want
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Speaker 10: to do, and not be forced into full time preschool
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Speaker 10: or daycare due to economic pressures. So it's that balance
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Speaker 10: that we need between the two fostering healthy attachment at
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Speaker 10: home and also these more structured government led programs.
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Speaker 3: And I think you just you end up with much
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Speaker 3: more rounded children the earlier that you can start working
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Speaker 3: on these sorts of things, particularly if there's any sort
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Speaker 3: of issues, much much better than trying to deal with
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Speaker 3: late stage problems. Thank you so much, Clairot, and that's
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Speaker 3: it for me, up next to his newsnight, good night,