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Sharri | 22 September · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Thanks, James.
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Speaker 2: Good evening.
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Speaker 3: Tonight, Pauline Hanson hits back at the media's attempts to
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Speaker 3: link her with the Ku Klux Klan. Former ABC boss
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Speaker 3: Mike Scott refuses to ban the phrase globalise the intifada
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Speaker 3: at the University of Sydney.
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Speaker 2: He calls it political expression.
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Speaker 3: My exclusive in a moment. And Albanese gives himself a
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Speaker 3: pat on the back as he prepares to accept a
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Speaker 3: global award, while the RBA warns.
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Speaker 2: Of more rate hikes. That's coming up.
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Speaker 3: But first, Albanese is overseas, preparing to win a Global
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Speaker 3: Citizen Award.
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Speaker 2: As I said, he's patting himself on the back.
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Speaker 3: But there's deep-seated public anger that he's being honoured at
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Speaker 3: a time when so many Australians believe he's ruining our
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Speaker 3: great country. The economy is deteriorating with rising interest rates,
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Speaker 3: sticky inflation, the cost of living crushing household budgets, while
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Speaker 3: wages and productivity are falling. The Albanese government's inaction and
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Speaker 3: Albanese's personal leadership failures led to the deadliest.
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Speaker 2: Terror attack on Australian soil.
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Speaker 3: And all he's done since is punish farmers and recreational
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Speaker 3: shooters instead of dealing with the underlying issues of radical Islamism,
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Speaker 3: terrorism and anti-Semitism. Then there's Albanese's personal credibility, his gaslighting
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Speaker 3: of the Australian public, from his explanation over the melons
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Speaker 3: controversy to his broken promise on taxes. Time and time again.
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Speaker 3: Albanese faces accusations that he's just not straight with voters.
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Speaker 2: This is why.
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Speaker 3: Journalist Latika Burke's question struck a nerve. It goes to
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Speaker 3: the heart of how voters feel about the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 2: They feel that he's a fraud.
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Speaker 3: It's no wonder this question went viral.
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Speaker 2: Now, you're sitting in New York on Wednesday night.
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Speaker 1: You will receive an award for being a global citizen.
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Speaker 4: Don't you feel like a bit of a fraud accepting.
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Speaker 5: This award when, at home, you screwed up the response
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Speaker 5: to the worst massacre since Port Arthur?
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Speaker 4: In the polls, you are taking Labor to one point
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Speaker 4: shy of Julie Gillard.
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Speaker 3: When you rolled her, and your net negatives are worse
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Speaker 3: than Scott Morrison.
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Speaker 6: No.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Latika's question tapped into a sentiment that's clearly resonating
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Speaker 3: with voters. The gulf between Albanese's self-belief and the reality
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Speaker 3: of his hopeless and weak leadership. Now, clearly, the Prime
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Speaker 3: Minister was unimpressed with that question. But so are Australians
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Speaker 3: unimpressed at the news he's receiving an award. Look at
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Speaker 3: the reaction from some voters.
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Speaker 1: Do you think he deserves it?
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Speaker 2: Absolutely not. Why is that?
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Speaker 7: Because he's ruining Australia financially, globally, and he needs to
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Speaker 7: be gone.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, the answer's no.
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Speaker 8: Doesn't see any reason why he would get a global award.
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Speaker 1: It seems a bit strange. Why do you think that
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Speaker 1: he doesn't deserve the award then?
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Speaker 9: I'm not going to say because it won't be polite.
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Speaker 1: What do you think of his performance?
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Speaker 10: Shocking.
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Speaker 2: And that's in the nightly.
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Speaker 3: Now, to add to this, in his same press conference
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Speaker 3: where he was effectively accused of being a fraud, Albanese
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Speaker 3: made a major gaffe, which he then removed from his
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Speaker 3: official transcript. the Prime Minister intended to speak about the
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Speaker 3: Strait of Hormuz, but instead he called it the Gulf.
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Speaker 2: And ironically, it was part of.
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Speaker 3: A section of his speech where he was making the
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Speaker 3: point that until recently, most Australians wouldn't have been able
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Speaker 3: to identify Hormuz on a map.
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Speaker 11: If you had have asked a random group of Australians
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Speaker 11: to find the Gulf of Hormuz on a world map...
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Speaker 11: Last year, I don't know what you reckon the correct
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Speaker 11: figure would have been, but I would suggest it would
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Speaker 11: be under 1% because it just wasn't an issue. And
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Speaker 11: now it has been since February 28th, front and centre.
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Speaker 3: You heard him there call it the Gulf of Hormuz.
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Speaker 2: It's not a gulf, it's a strait. And he is right.
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Speaker 3: It has been front and centre on every news bulletin,
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Speaker 3: sometimes every day for months.
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Speaker 1: Shipping route through the Strait of Hormuz.
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Speaker 2: Tehran will keep the Strait of Hormuz closed.
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Speaker 1: Tehran says it shut the Strait of Hormuz.
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Speaker 6: As quickly as it reopened, the Strait of Hormuz is
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Speaker 6: closed once again.
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Speaker 4: An international coalition to push for the critical Strait of Hormuz.
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Speaker 12: Hopes rising for a deal to reopen the Strait of Hormuz.
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Speaker 3: I mean, how can you not know that it's the
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Speaker 3: Strait of Hormuz and call it the Gulf?
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Speaker 2: Now, sure, it's a little mistake and we all make mistakes,
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Speaker 2: but the issue is this.
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Speaker 3: Albanese tried to cover up his mistake by removing it
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Speaker 3: from his official prime ministerial transcript. And this turns a
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Speaker 3: simple slip into a question of transparency. And it contributes
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Speaker 3: to the greater question of whether Australians can trust what
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Speaker 3: their prime minister says and does. And it adds to
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Speaker 3: the perception that, as Latika Berg said... He's a fraud
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Speaker 3: of a Prime Minister. But that won't stop him receiving
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Speaker 3: his award tomorrow during the United Nations General Assembly week. Now,
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Speaker 3: the University of Sydney is allowing a student political group
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Speaker 3: to run under the name Globalise the Intifada. This isn't
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Speaker 3: a protest sign, it's the actual name of the student
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Speaker 3: political party. And they're running at the Student Representative Council elections. Now,
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Speaker 3: just a reminder, here's what the New South Wales Premier,
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Speaker 3: Chris Minns, has said about that slogan.
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Speaker 2: It's a despicable, horrible phrase.
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Speaker 6: To globalise violence, a violent uprising on Sydney streets is
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Speaker 6: the opposite of what we need and want in Australia. 99%
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Speaker 6: of people in this country do not want violent insurrection
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Speaker 6: on Sydney streets.
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Speaker 3: Now, the Queensland government has already banned the phrase, although
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Speaker 3: it is facing a challenge in the High Court. And
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Speaker 3: Chris Minns is waiting for this outcome before he moves
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Speaker 3: ahead with his own legislation. But he is committed to
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Speaker 3: banning it. I've spoke to him about it. But he
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Speaker 3: wants to do it right the first time. Now, as
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Speaker 3: Minns referred to there, Interfire refers to the violent uprising
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Speaker 3: and suicide bombings by terrorists against innocent civilians. It marked
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Speaker 3: the first and second Intifada in Israel. Globalising the Intifada
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Speaker 3: is widely understood to mean a call to violence against
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Speaker 3: Jews around the world. And even Anthony Albanese in Josh
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Speaker 3: Frydenberg's documentary, his News 24 documentary, he condemned university students
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Speaker 3: shouting hateful slogans.
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Speaker 11: We've seen young kids at Sydney University being taught and
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Speaker 11: encouraged to chant slogans of which there could be no
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Speaker 11: comprehension as to what they mean. And what we're seeing
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Speaker 11: is an intellectual engagement or discourse. What we're seeing is
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Speaker 11: a promotion of simplistic slogans and in some cases a
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Speaker 11: promotion of hate. And there is no place for that whatsoever.
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Speaker 3: Yet there are university students running under this banner of
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Speaker 3: globalise the intifada at the University of Sydney. And in
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Speaker 3: this context, the phrase has been interpreted by Jewish students
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Speaker 3: and teachers and senior figures as a dangerous call to
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Speaker 3: violence against Jewish Australians. Already, the University of Sydney is
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Speaker 3: an unsafe place. So how can Vice-Chancellor Mike Scott, Mark Scott,
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Speaker 3: allow this to go ahead? As far as I can see,
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Speaker 3: Scott isn't doing anything to stop it. Now, I put
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Speaker 3: questions to him today asking what action he's taken, if any. Now,
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Speaker 3: they said they've removed or relocated posters with the phrase
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Speaker 3: in some areas of the university.
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Speaker 2: They've also written to the SRC's electoral officer asking how
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Speaker 2: this name works.
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Speaker 3: Has been assessed and they're asking for the decision to
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Speaker 3: allow the name to be reconsidered.
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Speaker 13: Weak, weak, weak.
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Speaker 2: Then there was this.
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Speaker 3: Line in the university's statement to me.
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Speaker 2: It says it all.
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Speaker 3: They say they need to protect the psychosocial and physical
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Speaker 3: safety of communities, but then they add this. We need
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Speaker 3: to allow the process to run fairly. Universities must make
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Speaker 3: room for lawful political expression, including on deeply contested issues.
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Speaker 3: Political expression on deeply contested issues.
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Speaker 2: Unbelievable.
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Speaker 3: This is not a free speech issue. This is a
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Speaker 3: safety issue. It is not hard to understand. Now, Jewish
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Speaker 3: leaders I spoke to today, they want a ban on
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Speaker 3: this phrase at the university and others like it that
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Speaker 3: incites or glorifies violence in campus campaign and promotional material.
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Speaker 3: The New South Wales Jewish Board of Deputies President Greg
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Speaker 3: Joffe made the important point that globalise the Intifada is
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Speaker 3: not criticism of Israel or its government. He says it's
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Speaker 3: a call to extend violence against Jews and other civilians
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Speaker 3: here in Australia and around the world. The Intifadas were
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Speaker 3: sustained campaigns of terrorism against civilians. Calling for them to
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Speaker 3: be globalised means calling for that violence to be replicated
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Speaker 3: outside Israel, including in Australia. He says, and this is important,
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Speaker 3: students can advocate for Palestinian rights and criticise the Israeli
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Speaker 3: government without advocating, glorifying or calling for violence. Now, this phrase,
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Speaker 3: globalise the Intifada, is being said by leftist and Islamic
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Speaker 3: activists around the world, and it's leading to precisely that,
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Speaker 3: violence and terror.
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Speaker 2: We saw that. at Bondi Beach.
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Speaker 3: And on Yom Kippur yesterday, the holiest day in the
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Speaker 3: Jewish calendar, the Day of Atonement, there was a shooting
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Speaker 3: at a Canadian synagogue.
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Speaker 13: No one inside was injured, but investigators say an officer
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Speaker 13: who was outside was seriously wounded in a shootout with
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Speaker 13: the suspect. There was an individual who was armed with
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Speaker 13: a shotgun and he opened fire against a Belleville police
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Speaker 13: officer who was stationed outside of the synagogue. Police identified
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Speaker 13: the suspect as 29-year-old Sean Ward from nearby Quinty West.
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Speaker 13: He was rushed to hospital in life-threatening condition. A former
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Speaker 13: employer and neighbours tell CBC News Ward was formerly in
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Speaker 13: the Canadian military in Alberta.
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Speaker 3: But the left seems to be not overly concerned about
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Speaker 3: all of this terrorism and life-threatening violence. They're far more
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Speaker 3: concerned about McLemore's ability to yell free Palestine at an
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Speaker 3: Ed Sheeran concert. than the actual shooting at a synagogue
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Speaker 3: when Jews are trying to worship on the holiest day
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Speaker 3: of the year. The left continues absurdly to side with
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Speaker 3: radical Islamist extremism, dressing violence up as virtuous activism. I'm
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Speaker 3: going to come back to that with Julie and Lisa shortly.
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Speaker 2: He's standing by. But now let's look at One Nation.
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Speaker 3: Because Pauline Hanson has accused Channel 9 of hitting a
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Speaker 3: new low by platforming a senior.
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Speaker 2: Member of the Ku Klux Klan.
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Speaker 3: A 9 reporter travelled to Arkansas to interview Thomas Robb.
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Speaker 3: He's known as the grand wizard of the Ku Klux Klan.
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Speaker 2: Have a look.
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Speaker 14: The Ku Klux Klan director brought Hanson up, unprompted.
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Speaker 12: as we were preparing for our interview.
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Speaker 15: She is demonized by the same element of people that
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Speaker 15: wants to demonize us. What I understand of her is
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Speaker 15: she's concerned about the immigrants, especially from Asia, China and
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Speaker 15: so on, coming into Australia and changing the racial complex
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Speaker 15: of Australia, changing the culture, changing all the things that
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Speaker 15: the people love and hold dear, and changing to something different.
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Speaker 10: And she wants to restrict that.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, worth the trip to Arkansas for that. But the
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Speaker 3: reporter Reid Butler did also explicitly ask this.
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Speaker 8: Is it heartening for you to see someone like anti-immigration
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Speaker 8: Pauline Hanson doing well in Australia? Yeah, yeah, it's encouraging, absolutely.
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Speaker 3: Well, furious at the thought of even being associated with
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Speaker 3: the hate group, Pauline Hanson released a statement saying the
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Speaker 3: Ku Klux Klan is a white supremacist organisation with a
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Speaker 3: long history of racial hatred.
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Speaker 2: Terror and violence.
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Speaker 3: Yet Channel 9 sent an Australian journalist to the United
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Speaker 3: States to seek them out, interview them and broadcast their
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Speaker 3: views to Australians. She says any suggestion that One Nation
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Speaker 3: or its supporters endorse the KKK or share its ideology
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Speaker 3: is absurd and offensive. And her deputy, Barnaby Joyce, also
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Speaker 3: didn't hold back.
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Speaker 9: Have you seen me in a sheet lately?
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Speaker 14: Have you seen me parading around the building?
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Speaker 1: The burning cross.
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Speaker 13: I mean, this is mindless babble.
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Speaker 11: It just goes to show you how desperate they've become
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Speaker 11: when you bring up garbage like that.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, this would also seem highly hypocritical from a network
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Speaker 3: that sacked Karl Stefanovic over his interview with controversial figure
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Speaker 3: Tommy Robinson, yet then happily airs an interview with a
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Speaker 3: far worse figure, a Klu Klux Klan leader. Joining me now,
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Speaker 3: former Labor State Secretary Cameron Milner and 2GB host James Willis.
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Speaker 2: Great to see you both.
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Speaker 1: Welcome. Hey, Shari. Thanks for having me on the show.
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Speaker 3: James, you went really hard on this this morning. You're
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Speaker 3: filling in for Ben Fordham on 2GB. You really set
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Speaker 3: the agenda on this issue from about six in the morning.
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Speaker 3: I was listening and you were going hard on this.
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Speaker 3: I mean, and you were getting call after call from listeners.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, and to be honest, Shari, when you are the
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Speaker 14: number one political party in the polls, I think it's
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Speaker 14: pretty standard for media outlets to want to do some
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Speaker 14: digging and try and find out some information about your people,
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Speaker 14: your policies, and.
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Speaker 1: That is all par for the course. But what this was,
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Speaker 1: in my.
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Speaker 14: View, was dripping with malice. I mean, sometimes when newsrooms
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Speaker 14: get it completely wrong, and this was a case where
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Speaker 14: Channel 9 just started with an agenda, in my view...
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Speaker 14: went on a fishing expedition and came back with something
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Speaker 14: that was designed to damage Pauline Hanson or link Pauline
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Speaker 14: Hanson and the rise of One Nation over the last
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Speaker 14: 12 months with a grand wizard from the KKK who
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Speaker 14: should not be given a platform in Australia, let alone
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Speaker 14: anywhere in the world.
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Speaker 3: Exactly, that's the other part of the issue, presenting someone
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Speaker 3: like this as a reasonable person. I mean, Cameron, that
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Speaker 3: was Nine's issue with the Tommy Robinson interview. They sacked
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Speaker 3: Karl Stefanovic over it, yet here they send a reporter
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Speaker 3: to Arkansas for a far worse figure.
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Speaker 4: Oh, it's gross hypocrisy, gross hypocrisy. And to your point, James,
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Speaker 4: I mean, he shouldn't be platformed. He's a hateful person.
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Speaker 4: I mean, so no, I mean, this is the worst
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Speaker 4: possible gotcha journalism from a trash organisation, trash organisation. Even
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Speaker 4: the ABC and Ultimo don't stoop this low in terms of.
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Speaker 1: Trying to denigrate One Nation.
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Speaker 4: I mean, this is appalling, appalling to see on our
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Speaker 4: news screens and it should be condemned and should be
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Speaker 4: called out and Pauline Hanson will only improve in the
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Speaker 4: polls when her enemies are this bad and this poor.
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Speaker 1: Exactly.
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Speaker 3: The whole thing backflipped and it actually ends up helping her, James,
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Speaker 3: at the same time as voters are furious at Albanese, who's,
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Speaker 3: you know, on the world stage getting an award.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely.
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Speaker 14: There's a part of this that kind of reminds me
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Speaker 14: of when Hillary Clinton called Donald Trump's supporters deplorables all
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Speaker 14: those years ago.
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Speaker 1: He went up in the polls.
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Speaker 14: I mean, look, the reality is, Shari, that there are
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Speaker 14: newsrooms across the country that are overwhelmingly left-wing. They'd be uncomfortable,
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Speaker 14: in my view, with Pauline Hanson and One Nation doing
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Speaker 14: so well in the polls, and they'd want to do
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Speaker 14: everything possible to try and link them with fruitcakes in America. Now,
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Speaker 14: I'd just add that in the footage I saw from
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Speaker 14: Arkansas in this community off the grid, there was no
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Speaker 14: proof of a huge movement of the KKK. There was
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Speaker 14: one bloke making all these claims... and some historic footage,
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Speaker 14: which is actually pleasing to see. But, I mean, it
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Speaker 14: was the world's longest bow, and I think it was
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Speaker 14: appalling for an Australian news outlet to be drawing those
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Speaker 14: conclusions to a bloke that wouldn't be able to identify
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Speaker 14: Australia on the map. And I still find it very
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Speaker 14: hard to believe that, off the cuff, he just happened
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Speaker 14: to start talking about Pauline Hanson. I'd love to see
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Speaker 14: the raw footage and I'd love to see the emails
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Speaker 14: that led to that interview, in my view.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, the emails beforehand.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely.
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Speaker 2: from producers. What exactly did they say?
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Speaker 3: But Cameron, I think the two issues are linked. Yes,
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Speaker 3: Pauline's rise since Bondi, but also that was the moment
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Speaker 3: when Albanese's weakness was.
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Speaker 2: Exposed to voters.
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Speaker 3: So, you know, he's gloating about getting a Global Citizen
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Speaker 3: Award and it just ends up helping whoever's the strongest
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Speaker 3: opposing political party, which happens to be One Nation.
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Speaker 1: Well, that's right.
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Speaker 4: I mean, he's been called a fraud this week. He's
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Speaker 4: been a liar for most other weeks ever since the
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Speaker 4: May budget and perhaps before that as well. No wonder
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Speaker 4: Pauline's doing well.
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Speaker 16: She's authentic.
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Speaker 4: She talks like, you know, people want to hear her.
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Speaker 4: And she's straight shooting. I mean, that's what politics should
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Speaker 4: be about. And Albo is certainly not that.
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Speaker 3: And it seems like there's less of a focus on
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Speaker 3: policies anymore, James.
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Speaker 2: It's really authenticity and trust.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, well, the reason that Latika Burke's question has gone
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Speaker 14: viral is because it's so rare now. This travelling press
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Speaker 14: pack that gets a cushy seat on the plane with
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Speaker 14: the Prime Minister, a nice hotel room, and let's face it,
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Speaker 14: junkets and media are few and far between these days,
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Speaker 14: so when you take them, you enjoy them, but... Everyone
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Speaker 14: stopped asking the hard questions and they've stopped going after
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Speaker 14: the government of the day. It's just drop after drop,
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Speaker 14: people handing you something and saying, we're making this announcement
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Speaker 14: tomorrow and we don't have that hard-hitting journalist. And so
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Speaker 14: journalism in a lot of our newsrooms across the country,
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Speaker 14: and I think it's embarrassing that Nine put this to
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Speaker 14: air in the way that it did. And I'll tell
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Speaker 14: you what, the feedback, there's been thousands of comments from
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Speaker 14: Australians about this story and what was, you know, intended.
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Speaker 1: By this, Shari. People saw.
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Speaker 14: straight through it, and I think Cameron's right. I think
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Speaker 14: the next polls would... This will assist Pauline in every way.
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Speaker 3: Every scandal seems to be helping her, Cameron. I mean,
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Speaker 3: as a political strategist, it's kind of a unique position
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Speaker 3: to be in.
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Speaker 4: Well, she's blessed with the weakest two leaders the major
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Speaker 4: parties have ever had. You know, Albo's a weak liar,
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Speaker 4: Taylor's just weak, full stop. I mean, so that's certainly
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Speaker 4: her strength. But she's also, you know, getting the zeitgeist.
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Speaker 4: She's actually in The Times... People are looking for strong leadership.
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Speaker 4: People are looking for straightforward answers. And Pauline, I disagree
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Speaker 4: with a lot of her politics, but I can see
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Speaker 4: as a political strategist she's doing really well. and she's
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Speaker 4: actually telling it like it is.
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Speaker 2: Well, you'd disagree with all of her policies, wouldn't you,
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Speaker 2: as a Labor figure?
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Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely.
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Speaker 4: The Labor Party, and certainly my Queensland Labor Party, has
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Speaker 4: actually preferenced against her, has campaigned against her ever since 1998.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but she's.
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Speaker 2: Obviously doing something right from a political perspective.
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Speaker 3: I want to move on now to this issue with
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Speaker 3: Piers Morgan planning to sue Diana's brother, Charles Spencer, and
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Speaker 3: his publisher over inaccurate claims.
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Speaker 2: In his new book, Swan Song.
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Speaker 3: Now, Piers is furious over parts of the book which
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Speaker 3: incorrectly state that he was editor of the Daily Mirror
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Speaker 3: when hidden cameras were used to take pictures of Diana
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Speaker 3: working out.
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Speaker 2: Have a look.
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Speaker 10: It's all * * * *.
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Speaker 16: And very, very easy * * * * for me
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Speaker 16: to prove it. The photographs which he says that I
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Speaker 16: published were printed by the Sunday Mirror on November the 7th, 1993.
20:45
Speaker 16: I joined the Daily Mirror in October 1995.
20:51
Speaker 2: So he was an editor of the Daily Mirror at
20:53
Speaker 2: all at the time. It was David Banks.
20:56
Speaker 3: Now, Piers Morgan is demanding that the passages and the
20:59
Speaker 3: photographs are removed from the book. There's been talk of
21:02
Speaker 3: maybe even an injunction.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I can't imagine. The book's set to come
21:05
Speaker 2: out tomorrow.
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Speaker 1: It's been printed.
21:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's out.
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Speaker 1: It's been printed. But it's such a shocking error.
21:11
Speaker 14: They're out by years about when Piers Morgan was the
21:14
Speaker 14: editor that there's no way that it can hit the shelves.
21:16
Speaker 14: So it'll have to be changed. And obviously Piers Morgan
21:19
Speaker 14: was also highly critical of the fact that the book
21:22
Speaker 14: exposes and lifts the lid on a lot of private
21:25
Speaker 14: conversations involving the King as well from the time, which
21:28
Speaker 14: are going to be deeply uncomfortable for the royal family.
21:31
Speaker 14: But if it's wrong, I can't see how it could
21:32
Speaker 14: hit the shelves anywhere.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think those are different... Issues in my mind,
21:36
Speaker 3: at least. I mean, he's put them all together, but
21:38
Speaker 3: I think they are separate issues, Cameron. I mean, if,
21:41
Speaker 3: you know, you can disagree with Charles Spencer, sure, but
21:46
Speaker 3: if he's saying this is the conversation he had with
21:48
Speaker 3: the King, well, doesn't he have a right to publish it?
21:52
Speaker 4: The whole thing is just a sad clickbait. I mean,
21:55
Speaker 4: you know, this is a poor brother whose sister was,
21:57
Speaker 4: you know, actually a fantastic person. He's been living in
21:59
Speaker 4: a shadow for 30 years. I mean, you know, I mean,
22:01
Speaker 4: he could have published this book at any other stage,
22:03
Speaker 4: but no, the 30th anniversary of Donat's passing is when
22:05
Speaker 4: he comes out with his trash. I mean, look, the
22:07
Speaker 4: guy's obviously after a few dollars. He's obviously, you know,
22:10
Speaker 4: not doing so well. But to be outright, you know,
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Speaker 4: factually incorrect is just so silly and actually pours scorn
22:16
Speaker 4: on the rest of his claims.
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Speaker 1: And the rest of the book.
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Speaker 7: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I also want to just quickly touch on this Ed
22:20
Speaker 3: Sheeran matter because I wasn't on air last night, so
22:23
Speaker 3: I missed covering this.
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Speaker 2: You know, I was defending this bloke last week.
22:27
Speaker 3: Then he gave this weepy apology on stage, you know,
22:31
Speaker 3: over the whole Macklemore issue.
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Speaker 2: Here it is.
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Speaker 1: What is happening in Gaza is a catastrophic and unjustifiable
22:40
Speaker 1: and disproportionate.
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Speaker 3: I mean, James, he did say at the start, you know,
22:45
Speaker 3: acknowledged the pain of October 7, but then he said
22:48
Speaker 3: that what's happening in Gaza is unjustifiable.
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Speaker 2: We'll blame Hamas for that.
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Speaker 14: Well, Shari, if I've paid $ 300, $ 400 for a really
22:58
Speaker 14: good seat at the Ed Sheeran concert, which is what
23:00
Speaker 14: they cost, by the way, to listen to him play
23:02
Speaker 14: his top ten songs, I don't want to lecture on
23:05
Speaker 14: anything political. And I think when you've got this other
23:08
Speaker 14: bloke that was cancelled, Macklemore... I mean, a white bloke,
23:12
Speaker 14: a white rapper on stage giving lectures in a cafe
23:14
Speaker 14: to everyone across the world about how we should be
23:17
Speaker 14: paying attention, that's not what you pay money for. You
23:19
Speaker 14: want to be going to a concert to be, you know,
23:21
Speaker 14: just ignoring politics and the issues of the world. And
23:24
Speaker 14: when it creeps in, there are problems like this and
23:27
Speaker 14: you have to be careful what you wish for. But
23:29
Speaker 14: if you're paying that money for a concert, you don't
23:31
Speaker 14: want to be discussing anything happening in the Middle East,
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Speaker 14: in my view.
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Speaker 3: Exactly, but just very quickly, Cameron, there still seems to
23:37
Speaker 3: be this refusal to accept that it's the bloodthirsty terrorists
23:41
Speaker 3: that are in control in Gaza and that's why Israel
23:43
Speaker 3: needs to get rid of them.
23:46
Speaker 4: Hamas is the inconvenient truth for these lefties. I mean,
23:48
Speaker 4: you know, they'd much rather punch down Israel than admit
23:51
Speaker 4: the atrocities of October 7 and the fact that Gaza
23:54
Speaker 4: has been run by terrorists for two decades.
23:57
Speaker 14: And there's an interview with Penny Wong that's been published
23:59
Speaker 14: tonight and she's so just flipping and flopping. They haven't,
24:03
Speaker 14: they don't know what they've done by taking a stance
24:06
Speaker 14: on declaring, you know, a Palestinian state in the future
24:10
Speaker 14: without deciding what happens to Hamas. They're so tied in
24:13
Speaker 14: knots on this issue, they don't even know where to go.
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Speaker 2: I completely agree.
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Speaker 8: Right.
24:17
Speaker 2: Great to see you both. Great to see you. And
24:18
Speaker 2: we'll hear you on air early in the morning. I
24:20
Speaker 2: look forward to it.
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Speaker 8: 5.30am.
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Speaker 1: Yep, straight to bed.
24:22
Speaker 3: Hopefully I'm not up as early tomorrow morning to listen
24:25
Speaker 3: to you for three hours again.
24:26
Speaker 2: Thanks, guys. Alright, to other headlines now.
24:29
Speaker 3: The Coalition has unveiled a new plan to overhaul the
24:33
Speaker 3: education system in an effort to restore national pride and
24:37
Speaker 3: teach Western values.
24:39
Speaker 10: Australia needs to restore excellence to our schools. We have
24:44
Speaker 10: had our lowest ever performance in reading and maths. We
24:48
Speaker 10: have seen the sharpest decline in reading and maths in
24:52
Speaker 10: a decade. We have seen our classrooms being more disrupted.
24:56
Speaker 10: We've seen more students missed school are double the number
25:00
Speaker 10: than comparable jurisdictions.
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Speaker 3: That's Shadow Education Minister Julian Lisa, who's with me now. Julian,
25:07
Speaker 3: thanks so much for your time.
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Speaker 2: How do you actually teach values in the school curriculum?
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Speaker 10: Well, you ensure that you state what those values are
25:15
Speaker 10: and that you ensure that they're incorporated in the curriculum,
25:18
Speaker 10: in the teaching of our history. I mean, Australia is
25:20
Speaker 10: a great country and it's a place we should be
25:22
Speaker 10: proud of. We should be proud of our flag. We
25:24
Speaker 10: should be proud of our democracy. We should be proud
25:26
Speaker 10: of the three parts of Australia that make up our country,
25:30
Speaker 10: the Indigenous heritage, the British foundation and the multicultural character.
25:34
Speaker 10: And we should teach people about these in the course
25:36
Speaker 10: of their schooling. What concerns me is that we're not
25:39
Speaker 10: seeing enough students coming forward with pride in our school.
25:42
Speaker 10: What concerns me is that our curriculum is crowded and
25:45
Speaker 10: confused and we're seeing this now in the results with,
25:48
Speaker 10: as I said in the piece that you played, The
25:51
Speaker 10: worst reading and maths results are in our history, in
25:54
Speaker 10: our history.
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Speaker 3: We need to get back to the basics of the
25:57
Speaker 3: curriculum of maths, reading, writing and values because it seems
26:01
Speaker 3: so many people are ashamed of our flag, ashamed of
26:06
Speaker 3: what it means to be an Australian.
26:07
Speaker 10: A Western civilisation, the Australian society that we grow up
26:11
Speaker 10: in didn't just happen by accident. It's the product of
26:13
Speaker 10: generations of effort and struggle. including civil wars that occurred
26:17
Speaker 10: in the United Kingdom. We need to know about that history.
26:19
Speaker 10: We need to know about those things that make Australia
26:22
Speaker 10: the great country that it is, that make us one
26:23
Speaker 10: of the world's oldest continuous democracies. People should be proud
26:26
Speaker 10: of this country. Millions of people have come here because
26:29
Speaker 10: it's such a good country. I want to make sure
26:31
Speaker 10: our students are learning that too.
26:34
Speaker 3: I want to get your thoughts on Mark Scott, the
26:36
Speaker 3: university vice-chancellor at the University of Sydney, Mark Scott, former
26:40
Speaker 3: ABC boss.
26:41
Speaker 2: On his comments.
26:43
Speaker 3: Political expression when he referred to globalising the Intifada?
26:47
Speaker 10: Globalising the Intifada means one thing. It means the violent
26:50
Speaker 10: murder of Jews. We saw what that meant as a
26:53
Speaker 10: country on the 14th of December last year with the
26:56
Speaker 10: murder of 15 Australians on our most famous beach in
26:59
Speaker 10: cold blood. The idea that a student political group at
27:03
Speaker 10: our oldest university would be allowed to run a campaign
27:06
Speaker 10: calling for more of that is just beyond the pale.
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Speaker 1: I mean, what are their policies? What sort of university.
27:13
Speaker 10: Campus do they want to create for Jewish students and
27:16
Speaker 10: for other students? Why hasn't Mark Scott put a firm
27:19
Speaker 10: stop to this? Too often we've seen him and other
27:22
Speaker 10: university leaders be weak and spineless on these issues. And
27:26
Speaker 10: my big question is, why isn't the Royal Commission restarting
27:29
Speaker 10: to look at some of these issues? I've been critical
27:31
Speaker 10: that they didn't call any student body presidents at any
27:34
Speaker 10: point in time. These elections are being run by the
27:37
Speaker 10: Student Association. Why haven't they been held to account? Where
27:41
Speaker 10: is the university regulator TEQSA on these issues? At some point,
27:45
Speaker 10: somebody has to do something or we will end up
27:46
Speaker 10: with more Bondi.
27:48
Speaker 3: I just thought that was such a weak response from
27:51
Speaker 3: the university saying they've written to the SRC electorate officer.
27:55
Speaker 2: I mean, they're running the show, not an electorate officer.
27:57
Speaker 1: Well, that's right.
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Speaker 10: And I noted that they didn't tell you what the
28:01
Speaker 10: electorate officer had said. So presumably the electorate officer gave
28:04
Speaker 10: Mark Scott the two-fingered.
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Speaker 1: Salute, which is terrible.
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Speaker 10: I mean, how can you have a situation on our
28:10
Speaker 10: university campus where where a student gets to determine whether
28:14
Speaker 10: people can call for the violent murder of their fellow students.
28:17
Speaker 1: Just appalling.
28:17
Speaker 2: Unbelievable.
28:18
Speaker 3: Just on a different issue, there's obviously been this big
28:21
Speaker 3: child protection Indigenous crisis in WA. Well, the Prime Minister
28:26
Speaker 3: has dodged questions on this, basically saying it's not his responsibility.
28:30
Speaker 2: Have a look.
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Speaker 11: We're not about to intervene against the Western Australian government.
28:35
Speaker 11: This is a Western Australian issue.
28:39
Speaker 3: I mean, this is also the Prime Minister's responsibility, isn't it?
28:42
Speaker 10: Well, I'd like to see the Prime Minister and the
28:44
Speaker 10: Indigenous Affairs Minister go to Port Hedland. I'd like them
28:47
Speaker 10: to see what's on the ground there. I'd like them
28:49
Speaker 10: to understand the multiple failures of the child protection system.
28:53
Speaker 10: Every Australian child deserves to be safe and that must
28:56
Speaker 10: be the primary principle in relation to the placement of children.
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Speaker 10: We can't have a situation here where there are multiple
29:03
Speaker 10: failures of child protection, where there's been no coronial inquest,
29:07
Speaker 10: where there are probably millions of dollars of federal money
29:09
Speaker 10: going into the community. And the Minister and the Prime
29:12
Speaker 10: Minister wash their hands of the situation. They need to
29:14
Speaker 10: demand more of the WA government and they need to
29:17
Speaker 10: take more action.
29:18
Speaker 3: It just seems like he forgets he's actually the Prime
29:20
Speaker 3: Minister and he actually has a lot of... He has
29:24
Speaker 3: the ability to make a difference.
29:25
Speaker 10: And, Shari, he spent a year talking to us about
29:28
Speaker 10: Indigenous disadvantage in the lead-up to the Voice referendum and
29:31
Speaker 10: yet he's dumped the issue.
29:32
Speaker 1: Since that time.
29:33
Speaker 2: Barely anything since then.
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Speaker 10: This is the most important issue of Indigenous disadvantage at
29:37
Speaker 10: the moment, the safety and welfare of our children... The
29:40
Speaker 10: Prime Minister should be front and centre.
29:41
Speaker 3: Just very quickly before you go, obviously no one can
29:45
Speaker 3: forget the election promise from the 2022 campaign where Chris
29:49
Speaker 3: Bowen and Albanese told everyone that power prices would be
29:52
Speaker 3: $ 275 cheaper.
29:52
Speaker 2: Obviously that hasn't come to pass. But now in the
29:57
Speaker 2: intergenerational report released this week, yesterday.
30:01
Speaker 3: They're now saying it's going to be $ 4, 300 less in
30:06
Speaker 3: the coming decades.
30:07
Speaker 2: I mean, is this believable?
30:09
Speaker 10: No one believes Anthony Albanese on anything. The only people
30:12
Speaker 10: that believe him are that UN committee that's given him
30:14
Speaker 10: that silly prize.
30:15
Speaker 2: Should he get it?
30:16
Speaker 10: I don't think so. I think as a parliamentarian you
30:19
Speaker 10: have one prize. And that is the honour of being
30:21
Speaker 10: elected by your constituents. And as the Prime Minister being
30:23
Speaker 10: chosen to lead his party and lead the country, that's
30:25
Speaker 10: the prize.
30:26
Speaker 1: Right.
30:26
Speaker 2: Julian and Lisa, thank you so much for being here.
30:28
Speaker 6: Thanks, Shari.
30:30
Speaker 3: Well, still to come, what we can expect from President
30:32
Speaker 3: Trump's major UN General Assembly address over the war in Iran. And, well,
30:37
Speaker 3: does the Prime Minister deserve his Global Citizen Award?
30:40
Speaker 2: We'll discuss after the break. Welcome back. Well, a senior Liberal,
30:49
Speaker 2: the most senior Liberal.
30:50
Speaker 3: Alex Antic from South Australia, has come out and called
30:54
Speaker 3: for One Nation and the Liberals to collaborate and work
30:57
Speaker 3: together to defeat the Albanese government. The journalist who just
31:01
Speaker 3: broke this story, Paul Sakal, joins me now.
31:05
Speaker 2: Paul, good to see you. Hopefully we're bringing Paul in
31:10
Speaker 2: in a moment. There you are, Paul. So tell us
31:13
Speaker 2: about this.
31:14
Speaker 3: So you're saying that Alex Antic is the most senior
31:16
Speaker 3: Liberal who has come out and called for a formal
31:20
Speaker 3: collaboration with One Nation.
31:23
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, in a sense, he's one of the most
31:26
Speaker 5: irrelevant Liberals in Canberra because he's a rogue Senator who
31:29
Speaker 5: votes against the party and has no internal sway. Excuse me.
31:32
Speaker 5: But in South Australia, he's just become the State Division President.
31:36
Speaker 5: So that puts him on the federal executive, sitting alongside
31:40
Speaker 5: Angus Taylor and the federal president of the party, Tony Abbott.
31:43
Speaker 5: It means he's turned into a serious office bearer of
31:46
Speaker 5: the party. One of the main concerns that Angus Taylor
31:49
Speaker 5: and some of his right-wing colleagues in Canberra had before
31:52
Speaker 5: this vote on the weekend where Alex Antic was swept
31:55
Speaker 5: into power was that he was angling for a closer
31:57
Speaker 5: relationship with One Nation. This had been muddied around the
32:00
Speaker 5: halls of Canberra for months, but nobody really had close
32:03
Speaker 5: proof of it. And then Alex Antic popped up on
32:05
Speaker 5: a unusual radio podcasting channel last night, which puts forward
32:11
Speaker 5: documentaries around fluoride in water and worldwide digital currencies that
32:16
Speaker 5: are meant to silence free speech. And he said the
32:19
Speaker 5: quiet part out loud, which is that he thinks that
32:22
Speaker 5: the only way the coalition can win the next election
32:24
Speaker 5: is to form some sort of cooperative alliance with One Nation.
32:27
Speaker 5: He wasn't clear about what that would look like. And
32:30
Speaker 5: he said that that's the political reality and there's no
32:32
Speaker 5: point taking pot shots at Pauline Hanson.
32:35
Speaker 3: And Barnaby Joyce has also said something similar. He was
32:38
Speaker 3: on air with Andrew Clennell this afternoon and he's also calling, well,
32:43
Speaker 3: he said he's actually had discussions with some Liberals about
32:47
Speaker 3: forming an alliance and even perhaps, you know, the reverse,
32:51
Speaker 3: not just One Nation supporting the Liberals to get into power,
32:53
Speaker 3: but even the other way around, Liberals backing One Nation.
32:58
Speaker 5: Yeah, is that what you took his comments to mean, Shari?
33:01
Speaker 5: I thought he was referring to supporting the coalition in
33:04
Speaker 5: minority government.
33:05
Speaker 12: Did he say it the other way around, did he?
33:07
Speaker 3: Well, that was my understanding of it, but we can
33:09
Speaker 3: go back and see what Clunell thinks about it.
33:13
Speaker 5: Yeah, I took him to mean that he had had
33:16
Speaker 5: conversations with who he described as senior Liberals about supporting
33:20
Speaker 5: Angus Taylor if he fell five or 10 or 15
33:22
Speaker 5: seats short. which, by the way, polls show is not
33:25
Speaker 5: likely anyway. This has caused mass confusion in the Liberal
33:27
Speaker 5: Party tonight, Shari. I can tell you that senior shadow
33:30
Speaker 5: ministers and people in Angus Taylor's office are calling around
33:33
Speaker 5: trying to figure out who Barnaby Joyce is referring to.
33:36
Speaker 5: I just spoke to Barnaby Joyce to try and understand
33:39
Speaker 5: who he meant, and he strictly told me not to
33:41
Speaker 5: reveal the name of the person who he had spoken to,
33:44
Speaker 5: which I reluctantly agreed to.
33:46
Speaker 2: But he did tell you.
33:47
Speaker 12: But he did.
33:48
Speaker 1: He did.
33:49
Speaker 5: And he told me that the conversations revolved around preference arrangements.
33:52
Speaker 5: So not a formal coalition in terms of seat sharing,
33:55
Speaker 5: but around the parties needing to come together and tell
33:58
Speaker 5: the right wing voting base, which is growing and expanding
34:02
Speaker 5: beyond the left's voting coalition, that One Nation and the
34:05
Speaker 5: coalition will work together at an election to swap preferences
34:07
Speaker 5: and to kind of end this war and create some
34:11
Speaker 5: coherence between the two parties. Now, maybe it will emerge
34:14
Speaker 5: over coming days or maybe, you know, someone will get
34:16
Speaker 5: some agreement to reveal the details of that conversation. But
34:19
Speaker 5: Joyce insists it was with a senior Liberal and perhaps
34:23
Speaker 5: he'll say that publicly over coming days.
34:25
Speaker 2: Pretty impressive.
34:26
Speaker 3: He trusted you to tell you who the Liberal is
34:29
Speaker 3: and trusted that you wouldn't go on and report it,
34:32
Speaker 3: at least not live on television now.
34:35
Speaker 5: I'll do my best over coming days to maybe eke
34:38
Speaker 5: that one out, but we'll see. And, you know, for
34:40
Speaker 5: all the people who boycott your show, Shari, and the
34:41
Speaker 5: One Nation show, each time I've gone on, I've got
34:43
Speaker 5: feedback from the One Nation cohort. So you're living rent-free
34:46
Speaker 5: in their head.
34:46
Speaker 12: They're all watching.
34:48
Speaker 3: Well, a lot of people boycott the show because they
34:50
Speaker 3: don't like tough questions, but I think that is what
34:52
Speaker 3: we have to do as journalists.
34:53
Speaker 2: You know, we're not here to make friends.
34:55
Speaker 3: We're here to stand up for voters and to make
34:58
Speaker 3: sure there's scrutiny and transparency.
35:01
Speaker 2: That's why we're in these jobs in the first place.
35:04
Speaker 2: And it's never personal, is it, Paul? Never personal when
35:08
Speaker 2: you break a story.
35:10
Speaker 12: You're 100% right.
35:11
Speaker 5: And I noted last week there was some boycotting from
35:14
Speaker 5: the One Nation camp of the Australian newspaper. So, you know,
35:18
Speaker 5: it doesn't matter if you're conservative or progressive, One Nation
35:22
Speaker 5: doesn't like being asked tricky questions.
35:24
Speaker 12: So I reckon they'll come back one day, Shari.
35:26
Speaker 2: Well, no one does.
35:29
Speaker 3: I mean, the last time Anthony Albanese came on this
35:30
Speaker 3: program was 2018.
35:31
Speaker 1: So....
35:34
Speaker 2: He's even more sensitive than One Nation, I'd say. All right,
35:37
Speaker 2: let's move on.
35:38
Speaker 3: There seems to be this growing political debate over superannuation.
35:43
Speaker 3: The Coalition now, Shadow Housing Minister Andrew Bragg has put
35:47
Speaker 3: forward their policy saying that first home buyers could use
35:52
Speaker 3: their super, their retirement savings for a home loan.
35:55
Speaker 1: Now.
35:56
Speaker 3: He's saying that no firm policy decision has been made,
36:00
Speaker 3: but this seems very similar, at least in the conceptual sense,
36:05
Speaker 3: to the One Nation policy.
36:08
Speaker 5: Yeah, the One Nation policy is a bit more immediate.
36:10
Speaker 5: It allows you to take out three percentage points or
36:14
Speaker 5: a quarter of the 12% super guarantee. and effectively use
36:17
Speaker 5: that to top up your wages to deal with the
36:19
Speaker 5: cost of living. What Andrew Bragg is more keen to
36:22
Speaker 5: do is to directly link superannuation.
36:24
Speaker 12: To being able to purchase your first home.
36:27
Speaker 5: And his argument is that about 32% of people who
36:30
Speaker 5: take out their super in lump sums when they reach
36:33
Speaker 5: the retirement age use that money to pay off their mortgage.
36:36
Speaker 12: So he says, and he's backed.
36:37
Speaker 5: By quite a few influential economists now, a person who's
36:40
Speaker 5: about to publish a book on the history of super,
36:44
Speaker 5: a prominent former Labor economist, Nicholas Gruen. He says that
36:48
Speaker 5: why force people to wait till they're 60 to pay
36:51
Speaker 5: off their mortgage when you could free up the super
36:54
Speaker 5: system to allow people to have the peace and security
36:58
Speaker 5: of home ownership in their 30s and 40s? He argues
37:01
Speaker 5: that Paul Keating's model when he brought it in in
37:03
Speaker 5: 1992 was predicated on a society where people were able
37:07
Speaker 5: mostly to buy homes.
37:08
Speaker 12: And that's changed radically.
37:10
Speaker 5: So I think you'll see the Liberal Party end up
37:13
Speaker 5: with a policy that links super to housing. They haven't
37:16
Speaker 5: landed on exactly how they'll do that. And there's quite
37:19
Speaker 5: a lot of tension between Andrew Bragg and the leader
37:21
Speaker 5: of the opposition, Angus Taylor, on the following of party process,
37:24
Speaker 5: which I think we previously discussed. But there's broad alignment
37:28
Speaker 5: on the principles that super is locked up, Labor is
37:32
Speaker 5: ideologically opposed to changes to super, and there's growing support
37:36
Speaker 5: within the coalition to shake that up.
37:39
Speaker 1: Yeah.
37:40
Speaker 3: As we've been discussing, the PM in the US this week,
37:43
Speaker 3: he loves the United Nations Summit. It's the General Assembly,
37:46
Speaker 3: of course. He's receiving that award, the Global Citizen Award.
37:49
Speaker 3: But given the economic climate here, I mean, this isn't
37:53
Speaker 3: going to go down well with the voters.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, I think the government knows that too.
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Speaker 5: They will want to, of course, be seen to be
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Speaker 5: global leaders on AI, on the digital duty of care
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Speaker 5: and Labor's general agenda on making tech safe, particularly for teens.
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Speaker 12: And so there is some upside in it.
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Speaker 5: And the government does believe that Albanese is being seen
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Speaker 5: in global circles as a kind of thought leader on
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Speaker 5: digital safety. But no doubt, voters are feeling pretty fed
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Speaker 5: up with the major parties. Albanese's personal approval ratings are
38:28
Speaker 5: quite significantly down now and reaching the levels seen in
38:33
Speaker 5: under previous unpopular prime ministers. And so there's no doubt
38:36
Speaker 5: that when the government tries to make the argument that
38:38
Speaker 5: they've been in Australia for almost all of this year
38:41
Speaker 5: and that this is only a short, only his first
38:45
Speaker 5: significant overseas trip, that still will be a tough argument
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Speaker 5: to sell in the minds of voters who are just
38:51
Speaker 5: seeking a bit of help to get by.
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Speaker 3: It reminds me of Wayne Swan, you know, was awarded
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Speaker 3: the greatest treasurer in the world and he had mishandled
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Speaker 3: the economy so badly. Very similar situation.
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Speaker 2: It's kind of sentiment. Paul Sakal, great to see you.
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Speaker 12: Thanks, Sarah.
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Speaker 3: All right, still to come, the Treasurer and the RBA
39:11
Speaker 3: at odds. I'll talk about that with Warren Hogan. And
39:14
Speaker 3: President Trump faces a media revolt after he bans CNN.
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Speaker 3: We'll cross live to Washington after the break.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back.
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Speaker 3: Well, President Donald Trump is facing a media revolt after
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Speaker 3: banning CNN MSNOW and.
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Speaker 2: Politico from the White House.
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Speaker 3: Major television networks such as ABC, CBS, Fox News and
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Speaker 3: NBC are suspending video coverage of the President in solidarity.
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Speaker 3: And the move is already hurting Trump. He couldn't be
39:45
Speaker 3: heard during this ribbon-cutting event. And joining me now in
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Speaker 3: Washington is News 24 US correspondent Jonathan Kersley. Jonathan, great
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Speaker 3: to see you. Well, who needs who more, Trump or
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Speaker 3: the media?
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Speaker 8: Well, one likes to think that they need the other
40:13
Speaker 8: more than perhaps they do, but President Trump seems to
40:17
Speaker 8: think he can go solo. In reality, both need each other,
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Speaker 8: and the American people need them both.
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Speaker 1: And we saw that yesterday.
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Speaker 8: What we've seen here is what is known as the
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Speaker 8: White House TV press pool, which is the five major
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Speaker 8: television networks bandied together in support of CNN's ousting to say.
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Speaker 1: Look, that they are not going to provide pool camera.
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Speaker 8: Footage, which gets distributed to news organisations across the United
40:42
Speaker 8: States and around the world.
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Speaker 1: So that's why we saw what happened yesterday.
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Speaker 8: Even though there were other television cameras in place, it
40:49
Speaker 8: is the American networks who have the technical ability, the
40:52
Speaker 8: sound equipment, the staff constantly on roster to be able
40:56
Speaker 8: to provide the coverage that the world sees of the president.
40:59
Speaker 8: And they travel everywhere with him. But this stoush is
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Speaker 8: not going to go away anytime soon. President Trump is
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Speaker 8: wanting the media to talk about the media in a
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Speaker 8: week where he is speaking at the United Nations and
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Speaker 8: hosting China's President Xi Jinping. What the media is arguing
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Speaker 8: here is this is a First Amendment issue, that the clampdown,
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Speaker 8: the restriction of CNN, MSNOW and Politico goes to the
41:21
Speaker 8: heart of.
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Speaker 1: A constitutional issue. So they're going to try and fight
41:24
Speaker 1: this in the courts.
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Speaker 8: President Trump has already said if the decision doesn't go
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Speaker 8: his way, he'll appeal it. But you can already see
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Speaker 8: the argument that he is going to frame in a
41:32
Speaker 8: week where he is on the world stage, where he
41:34
Speaker 8: is trying to deal with the rise of China. He
41:37
Speaker 8: may well turn back in a week's time and point
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Speaker 8: the finger back at the press and say, I was
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Speaker 8: doing this and you were talking about yourselves.
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Speaker 1: But there is no doubting.
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Speaker 8: The seriousness of the issue that is at play, because
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Speaker 8: what the news organisations are arguing is, look, this is
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Speaker 8: a ban from the White House and government building, and
41:52
Speaker 8: if you start doing this, well, you start controlling the
41:56
Speaker 8: way that the media says and reports. And that's not
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Speaker 8: what these news organisations are wanting to see at all.
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Speaker 8: They're saying, we have a constitutional right to freedom to
42:05
Speaker 8: report on what you are doing and report on what
42:08
Speaker 8: the administration is doing, and you are trying to restrict us.
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Speaker 1: So don't expect this fight to go away any time soon.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I completely agree. I completely agree with... the
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Speaker 3: media outlets, you know, and I think it's the same
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Speaker 3: in Australia here. You can't go around banning outlets even
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Speaker 3: if you don't like them. You just referred to there
42:25
Speaker 3: Trump's giving his speech at the United Nations General Assembly.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I loved his speech last year. I think
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Speaker 3: it was one of the greatest speeches he's ever given.
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Speaker 3: He was smashing the United Nations. You know, he accused
42:38
Speaker 3: them of tripping him up deliberately with the escalator and
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Speaker 3: the teleprompter when they stopped working.
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Speaker 2: What can we expect this time?
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Speaker 8: I think you're going to hear him say that the
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Speaker 8: United Nations needs to go on a diet. That's been
42:52
Speaker 8: the talk around the Trump circles, is that's the word
42:55
Speaker 8: they're using when it comes... to the UN.
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Speaker 1: So you could well have the leader of the free world,
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Speaker 1: who right now.
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Speaker 8: Is trying to deal with the situation in Iran and
43:03
Speaker 8: also end the wars between Ukraine and Russia, talk about
43:06
Speaker 8: taking some of the fat out of the UN. He's
43:09
Speaker 8: long been critical of the organisation. And I would imagine
43:13
Speaker 8: that you would expect him to get up and talk
43:16
Speaker 8: about himself as a peacemaker and how nations around the
43:20
Speaker 8: world and the United Nations.
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Speaker 1: Were not there to support him.
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Speaker 8: That is certainly going to be an argument that he
43:24
Speaker 8: is likely to frame himself. But the idea of, well,
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Speaker 8: some of the fat from the United Nations being trimmed down, well,
43:31
Speaker 8: that's the phrase being thrown around Trump circles and the
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Speaker 8: White House circles. Let's see how far down that path
43:37
Speaker 8: he decides to go. A couple of hours from now,
43:39
Speaker 8: in the eyes of the world, we'll be watching as
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Speaker 8: the president, back in the city he loves, back in
43:44
Speaker 8: the city that never sleeps, New York, on the world
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Speaker 8: stage to tell the United Nations essentially where he.
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Speaker 1: Wants them to go.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, can't wait. And we'll bring the highlights tomorrow night
43:53
Speaker 3: on the show, of course. Meanwhile, as you said, Chinese
43:56
Speaker 3: President Xi Jinping flying into Washington instead of New York.
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Speaker 3: You'll miss the UN, but he is going to have
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Speaker 3: a meeting with Trump. Do we know what the focus
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Speaker 3: of their talks will be?
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Speaker 8: Well, the focus, at least publicly, there's going to be
44:10
Speaker 8: a lot of bromance going on between these two. President
44:14
Speaker 8: Trump wants to put on the type of show that
44:16
Speaker 8: he was given in Beijing when News24 was among the
44:20
Speaker 8: organisations in Beijing to see the extraordinary state visit by
44:23
Speaker 8: President Trump.
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Speaker 1: This time around, well, President Trump is going to.
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Speaker 8: Welcome President Xi and the Chinese First Lady at Joint
44:30
Speaker 8: Base Andrews. There is going to be a very lavish
44:32
Speaker 8: welcome on a new-look White House south lawn, complete with
44:35
Speaker 8: a helipad, but there will be a full military welcome.
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Speaker 1: Thursday morning our time.
44:41
Speaker 8: It'll be Thursday night just before midnight Australian Eastern time.
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Speaker 1: And then a state dinner, but a state dinner that's
44:46
Speaker 1: going to.
44:46
Speaker 8: Be hosted by, attended by the likes of Sam Altman,
44:50
Speaker 8: the NVIDIA CEO, Jensen.
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Speaker 1: Huang, Elon Musk also going to be there.
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Speaker 8: AI is one of the central topics that these two
44:58
Speaker 8: countries need to talk about.
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Speaker 1: There's a lot of pressure and we've heard. the Australian
45:02
Speaker 1: Prime Minister.
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Speaker 8: Go to the UN and talk about this idea of
45:04
Speaker 8: needing to dial down the speed and boost up the
45:08
Speaker 8: regulation of artificial intelligence and its developments. Well, there is
45:13
Speaker 8: going to be some talk about that because obviously these
45:15
Speaker 8: are the two superpowers who are involved in the race.
45:18
Speaker 8: Then behind the scenes, well, you have to look at
45:21
Speaker 8: the military build-up still in the South China Sea.
45:25
Speaker 1: You have to look at What is China doing when it.
45:28
Speaker 8: Comes to theft of information, theft of intellectual property that
45:35
Speaker 8: it has continued to do throughout the years, particularly here
45:38
Speaker 8: in the United States, the infiltration that it's trying to
45:40
Speaker 8: make into various systems?
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Speaker 1: We've seen individuals charged for training Chinese forces.
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Speaker 8: Military members or leaking information to China and to the CCP.
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Speaker 1: So, look, there's a lot to go through.
45:53
Speaker 8: On the surface, it's going to be a lot of
45:55
Speaker 8: hugs and handshakes and glorious ceremony. But beneath it, there's tension, obviously,
46:01
Speaker 8: between these two superpowers. And that's not going to go away,
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Speaker 8: whether the meal is steak or whether it's chicken.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, indeed.
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Speaker 3: All right, Jono, thank you so much for the update.
46:15
Speaker 3: And still to come, is the RBA Governor at odds
46:18
Speaker 3: with the Treasurer? We'll play you Bullock's comments after the break.
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Speaker 3: RBA Governor Michelle Bullock seems to be at odds with
46:28
Speaker 3: the Treasurer over the timeline of AI causing a bounce
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Speaker 3: in productivity. The RBA Governor says we could benefit in
46:37
Speaker 3: the next 10 years.
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Speaker 7: These are the sorts of challenges I think with AI. Yes,
46:44
Speaker 7: Hopefully 10 years time we'll be seeing it, but at
46:47
Speaker 7: the moment, not a lot. And there might be some
46:52
Speaker 7: bumpy bits in the middle.
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Speaker 3: Joining me now is EQ Economics Managing Director Warren Hogan.
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Speaker 2: Warren, this is different from the Treasurer.
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Speaker 3: He's pinning the productivity bounce from AI within five years.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, and look, nobody really knows. And I think the
47:09
Speaker 9: Governor is a little bit pessimistic. I'm speaking to businesses
47:12
Speaker 9: every day of the week and We have seen a
47:14
Speaker 9: step change in the last year and it is happening
47:17
Speaker 9: now because we're seeing individuals utilising it to enhance their productivity.
47:23
Speaker 9: And that, of course, is allowing businesses to expand without
47:26
Speaker 9: having to hire new workers.
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Speaker 1: Our economic statistics don't pick it up. But the problem
47:30
Speaker 1: with the.
47:30
Speaker 9: Intergenerational report and the Treasurer is that their policies are
47:34
Speaker 9: not going to unlock the big picture gains from productivity,
47:37
Speaker 9: which could drive productivity well above their estimates. It could
47:41
Speaker 9: be as high as 2% for a decade. but not
47:43
Speaker 9: the way they're running the economy with high government spending
47:47
Speaker 9: and an inflexible labour market. These are the policies that
47:50
Speaker 9: need to change in order to really get on the
47:52
Speaker 9: frontier of this technology and get Australian businesses adopting it.
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Speaker 3: She did have some pretty strong comments today about, you know,
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Speaker 3: how labour needs to get its.
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Speaker 2: Act together on productivity. Have a look.
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Speaker 7: They can make it easier for businesses to invest.
48:09
Speaker 2: They can make it.
48:11
Speaker 7: rewarding for businesses to innovate, things governments could be doing
48:15
Speaker 7: is how do they encourage competition as well?
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Speaker 2: I mean, this is unusually frank, Warren.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, and from a governor and an RPA that has
48:25
Speaker 9: been very careful around its commentary for government policy and
48:30
Speaker 9: And look, they're still not talking about the elephant in
48:33
Speaker 9: the room, which is just the sheer magnitude of government
48:35
Speaker 9: spending and the lack of discipline by any of the
48:37
Speaker 9: governments of Australia. That's the problem for inflation. But, you know,
48:41
Speaker 9: she's right. There's a lot of things that have to
48:43
Speaker 9: change if we're going to get on that pathway of
48:46
Speaker 9: bringing AI in and really unlocking the productivity from it.
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Speaker 9: And it will take five to 10 years, but Australians
48:53
Speaker 9: have proven to be extremely pragmatic and resourceful in the
48:56
Speaker 9: past with new technology.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 3: Meanwhile, RBA expected that, I mean, we're seeing broadly from
49:04
Speaker 3: economists this expectation that they will have to raise rates again.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, well, it's pretty obvious. So they've finally come around
49:13
Speaker 9: to the bigger picture here. And the reality is there
49:16
Speaker 9: are most economists are calling one or two rate hikes.
49:19
Speaker 9: We'll be lucky if we get away with a cash
49:21
Speaker 9: rate around five and a half when all is said
49:23
Speaker 9: and done. You know, we're seeing this economy proving resilient
49:27
Speaker 9: and the inflation is only just really warming up here.
49:30
Speaker 9: We've got wage pressures, business costs continue. So unless the
49:34
Speaker 9: economy tips into recession suddenly, Unfortunately, the Reserve Bank will
49:38
Speaker 9: be raising rates well into next year and well above 5%.
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Speaker 3: I mean, everyone says that phrase, economy proving resilient. Sure,
49:45
Speaker 3: we're not in a recession, but families are doing it tough.
49:48
Speaker 3: I mean, how many quarters have there been in a
49:49
Speaker 3: per capita recession?
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Speaker 9: Well, this is the idea of a flexible and efficient
49:55
Speaker 9: economy that reallocates its labour and capital resources effectively. And
49:59
Speaker 9: what I mean by that is when you have a recession,
50:01
Speaker 9: you tend to see businesses that haven't got a future
50:04
Speaker 9: fail quickly. People have to find new jobs and we
50:07
Speaker 9: go to the jobs that are needed. And that's not
50:09
Speaker 9: what we're doing. Everything's being locked down here. And of course,
50:12
Speaker 9: the big demographic shift is that we do not have
50:14
Speaker 9: enough workers. And of course, that means that businesses don't
50:18
Speaker 9: want to get rid of workers easily. They hoard labour.
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Speaker 9: And that's why the economy is proving resilient.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: All right. Warren Hogan, thank you so much for your time.
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Speaker 2: And thanks for your company. I'll see you tomorrow at
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Speaker 2: eight o'clock.