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Missing children heartbreak; Help us! · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: on sirius XM Triumph Channel one thirty two. Today is
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Speaker 1: a day that is bittersweet all across our nation. It's
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Speaker 1: Missing Children's Day. And while we are encouraged and heartened
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Speaker 1: that people care, that we are rallying the forces across
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Speaker 1: the country to try to find missing children, the fact
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Speaker 1: that we have to have a day of remembrance, a
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Speaker 1: day of reinvigorating the troops, so to speak, casta paul
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Speaker 1: over each one of these children's stories. I Nancy Grace,
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Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: Before we address missing people, we have a news alert.
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Speaker 1: A little boy that we have been trying to help
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Speaker 1: find has just been found. The body of five year
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Speaker 1: old Lucas Hernandez has been found in Harvey County. Harvey County, Kansas.
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Speaker 1: Listen were dispatched here on the report of found body
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Speaker 1: and when we arrived, there's a body underneath the bridge
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Speaker 1: up there appears to be a small human and it's
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Speaker 1: but it's it's unrecognizable, Nancy. That was Harvey County Sheriff
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Speaker 1: Chad Gay speaking to reporters as they were recovering the body.
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Speaker 1: It was a short time later the state investigators confirmed
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Speaker 1: that the remains are Lucas Hernandez. Shortly after that, Emily Glass,
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Speaker 1: the seven year old step mom of Lucas, the last
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Speaker 1: one to allegedly see him, was booked into the Sedgewick
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Speaker 1: County Jail on charges of interference with law enforcement. And
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Speaker 1: the investigation goes on to Ashley Willcott charl crime watch
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Speaker 1: dot com. This is not the outcome we wanted, Ashley,
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Speaker 1: but I cannot say that I'm surprised that evil stepmother
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Speaker 1: could lead authorities to the body. And this is not
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Speaker 1: the outcome we wanted. But the good news is we
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Speaker 1: can now have closure in terms of knowing where he is,
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Speaker 1: and we can utilize the crime scene and the evidence
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Speaker 1: to find who did this. Someone threw away this poor
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Speaker 1: little boy in shallow water by a small bridge in
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Speaker 1: the brush, as if he were trash. What can we
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Speaker 1: learn at this point? Joseph Scott Morgan, forensics expert, Jacksonville
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Speaker 1: State University Professor of Forensics, Joe Scott. Lucas's little body
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Speaker 1: has been there for a period of time. What can
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Speaker 1: we learn from it regarding forensic clues? Well, hopefully what
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Speaker 1: we're going to learn is specifically what his cause of
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Speaker 1: death was, and also what I want to know is
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Speaker 1: how long has he been deceased. His Lucas wants to
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Speaker 1: talk to us, Nancy. He wants to talk to us
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Speaker 1: through his remains and what we can find at the scene.
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Speaker 1: I want us to give him voice so we can
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Speaker 1: truly bring this to closure and bring whoever is responsible
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Speaker 1: to this to justice. Truer words are never spoken to Scott.
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Speaker 1: And I gotta tell you, just Scotten Nashley, My arms
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Speaker 1: are just covered in chill bumps right now, because if
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Speaker 1: this case had been handled properly and Lucas had been
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Speaker 1: taken away out of that home. He may be with
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Speaker 1: us today. For so long, Lucas was described as a
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Speaker 1: missing child, which highlights the importance of today National Missing
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Speaker 1: Children's Day, and now let's bring more children home alive.
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Speaker 1: I could not be prouder to have the guests joining
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Speaker 1: us today. Mark Class, crying victim, tireless victims advocate and
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Speaker 1: founder of Class Kids. Daphne Young, the VP of Communications
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Speaker 1: of Prevention Education at Child Help, add with me, Director
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Speaker 1: of the Cold Case Research Institute, Cheryl McCullum, along with
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Speaker 1: Alan Duke and Jackie Howard. So many cases of missing children,
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Speaker 1: It's like an avalanche every day, Mark Class, more missing children?
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Speaker 1: Do you ever feel overwhelmed by it? Overwhelming? Over two
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Speaker 1: thousand children are reported missing in the United States every day,
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Speaker 1: and while a vast majority of those are successfully resolved,
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Speaker 1: there are still those cases that endure that You're just
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Speaker 1: seemed to flow down the sinkhole and and leave parents stranded.
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Speaker 1: You know, Mark Class, You're just um an icon to me.
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Speaker 1: And when I am tired and I am weary, I
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Speaker 1: think about you and how you gave up a very
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Speaker 1: lucative career to become a victims advocate and the founder
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Speaker 1: of Class Kids. Could you explain why you made that
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Speaker 1: hairpin turn in well? Thank you, Nancy. Yes. On October one,
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Speaker 1: my twelve year old daughter, Paully, was hosting a slumber
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Speaker 1: party with a couple of her girlfriends in the home
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Speaker 1: that she shared with her mother in Pedaluma, California, And
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Speaker 1: at about ten thirty in the evening, a bearded stranger
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Speaker 1: entered Paully's bedroom with a butcher knife and told the
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Speaker 1: girls that if they made a noise, he would cut
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Speaker 1: their throats. He then proceeded to tie and bind all
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Speaker 1: of the girls and then steal Paully into the night.
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Speaker 1: And we searched for sixty five days only to find
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Speaker 1: that this recitivious violent offender had kidnapped, raped, and murdered
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Speaker 1: Paully um within a two hour period, and he can
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Speaker 1: He currently resides on California's death row twenty five years later.
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Speaker 1: And I decided at that point that I was not
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Speaker 1: going to let my daughter's death be in vain. I
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Speaker 1: was not going to let her become another data point
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Speaker 1: on a statistical pie chart, and that I would try
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Speaker 1: to create a legacy in her name that would be
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Speaker 1: protective of children for decades to come. And quite frankly,
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Speaker 1: at that time, there was very very little being done
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Speaker 1: on being done to benefit missing children. You know, Mark,
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Speaker 1: it is not lost on me the way you tell
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Speaker 1: that story, because you you say it like you're reporting
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Speaker 1: somebody else's story. And when people ask me about the
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Speaker 1: murder of my fiance, I do much the same thing,
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Speaker 1: because I tell the story by rote, because to think
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Speaker 1: about it and recount that time in my life is
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Speaker 1: just so painful. But when I hear you tell the
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Speaker 1: story of Polly going missing, listen to me, I'm crying
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Speaker 1: for you. You may not be crying on the outside,
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Speaker 1: but I'm crying for you right now. And if you
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Speaker 1: would just mention the pain of those sixty five days
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Speaker 1: not knowing what happened to Polly, well, I mean, that's
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Speaker 1: that's the point now. So you have to detach. You
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Speaker 1: have to detach because it's so emotionally overwhelming. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I spent a good decade wanting to die, I really did.
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Speaker 1: It took me a good ten years to be able
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Speaker 1: to pull myself together and really smell the flowers and
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Speaker 1: appreciate music. Again, those sixty five days were the most
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Speaker 1: excruciating time I've ever experienced. I lost thirty pounds, I
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Speaker 1: lost my mind. I I uh I. I fell into
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Speaker 1: a sinkhole. I fell into uh. It was like being
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Speaker 1: in the middle of a tornado and not being able
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Speaker 1: to to get a grasp on anything. You lose control
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Speaker 1: of your emotions, of your intellect. You you almost seemingly
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Speaker 1: lose your soul. But look what you've done with your
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Speaker 1: life with me. In addition to Mark Class, founder of
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Speaker 1: Class Kids is Daphne Young when Child Help, Daphne, thank
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Speaker 1: you so much for being with us. What is child
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Speaker 1: Help and why is there a child Help? Well, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: we're the largest national nonprofit. We've been running for over
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Speaker 1: sixty years now, and we're dedicated to the treatment, intervention,
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Speaker 1: and prevention of child abuse. And you know our founders,
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Speaker 1: Sarah and Yvonne, you're one of their favorite people because
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Speaker 1: you're one of the few consistent, dedicated champions of children,
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Speaker 1: giving a voice to those silenced by abuse. As Mark
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Speaker 1: Class notes, this whole issue rarely gets prime time. Children
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Speaker 1: don't have a powerful lobby, so people like child Help,
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Speaker 1: people involved in media have to stand up for these kids,
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Speaker 1: they have no voice and they're being lost in the system.
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Speaker 1: They're being abused. We're losing five children each day to abuse,
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Speaker 1: and of those fatalities involved at least one parent. So
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Speaker 1: your work has been crucial and not just taking on
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Speaker 1: this issue, but you've branded it in a way that
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Speaker 1: people can talk about it as part of a national conversation,
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Speaker 1: and that's so critical, Cheryl McCullum. With me, you and
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Speaker 1: I have dealt with so many crime victims, and like
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Speaker 1: with Mark, it took sixty five days to find Polly.
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Speaker 1: The cases were about to start talking about right now
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Speaker 1: are still unsolved, Families still torn apart by not knowing
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Speaker 1: where their child is, has a fan, somebody stolen them,
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Speaker 1: Are they being raised or had they been on the
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Speaker 1: black market? Or have they been trafficked? Are they dead?
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Speaker 1: Do they need me? The thought of my children needing
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Speaker 1: me or crying for me is almost more than I
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Speaker 1: can stand. Cheryl, and you deal with cold cases. We
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Speaker 1: call them cold every day, but they're not cold of
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Speaker 1: family members. Absolutely, Nancy. When you hear Mark talks, I mean,
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Speaker 1: you just it's paralyzing to think of that situation. But
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Speaker 1: the reality is what he was saying that statistic it
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Speaker 1: breaks down to over eighty children an hour no missing. Now,
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Speaker 1: there's three types of kidnapping, basically in three categories. One's
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Speaker 1: gonna be family that takes the child, one that will
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Speaker 1: be an acquaintance, and one that's stranger. And when that
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Speaker 1: breaks down fifty times, you know, fifty percent of the
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Speaker 1: time it's gonna be a family member, um and hopefully
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Speaker 1: that child comes back safely, hopefully UM. But percent of
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Speaker 1: the time to feed on what Mark would say, and
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Speaker 1: that's gonna be a stranger. And those first three hours
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Speaker 1: are the most critical. The child is normally killed in
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Speaker 1: those first three hours. Once you first talk about the
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Speaker 1: disappearance of a beautiful little boy, I will never ever
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Speaker 1: forget the first time I laid eyes on Kiren Hormon,
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Speaker 1: still missing out of Portland, Oregon. He's described as endangered
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Speaker 1: and missing. The first time I saw his face had
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Speaker 1: this big, huge smile with a gap tooth grin and
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Speaker 1: he was last seeing new Portland, Oregon on June four.
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Speaker 1: He usually wrote the Bust the Skyline Elementary. He was
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Speaker 1: just the second grade at that time. Now, that day,
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Speaker 1: his stepmother, Terry Lynn Molten Hormon, drove him because there
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Speaker 1: was a science fair that day and he Kiren wanted
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Speaker 1: to set up his exhibit. It was about the red
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Speaker 1: eyed tree frog. They get there around eight o'clock. They
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Speaker 1: drop his coat backpack at the classroom and according to
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Speaker 1: the stepmother, she takes him to the science fair and
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Speaker 1: then the next thing you know, nobody sees him that
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Speaker 1: afternoon at he doesn't arrive home. Nobody seemed to have
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Speaker 1: seen him at the school that morning. Now one witness
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Speaker 1: thinks they saw, but we're may be confused about the day.
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Speaker 1: His teacher marked him absent. She thought for some reason
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Speaker 1: he was at a doctor's appointment. Why was it so
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Speaker 1: critical mark class that all these hours had passed since
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Speaker 1: Karen was last seen at eight a m. Well, Cheryl
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Speaker 1: just touched one of children that are murdered as a
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Speaker 1: result of an abduction are going to be dead within
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Speaker 1: the first three hours. So on. The one thing that
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Speaker 1: everybody can agree is that time is really the enemy
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Speaker 1: when you're dealing with a missing child case. As soon
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Speaker 1: as they're discovered missing, they need to be reported to
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Speaker 1: law enforcement immediately so that they can start an investigation.
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Speaker 1: And the sooner that happens, the greater the chance of
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Speaker 1: recovering the child alive. Take a listen to this TV
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Speaker 1: news interview regarding Karen's disappearance. Eight year old ten Or
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Speaker 1: Pamala remembers passing Kiran in the school hallway Friday morning.
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Speaker 1: Is the two passed each other on the way to
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Speaker 1: see different science experiments. I went downstairs and now the
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Speaker 1: last time I saw him, I never did cheam. After that,
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Speaker 1: Tanner and Kirn's class was regrouping Mrs Porter, the regular teacher,
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Speaker 1: accompanied by a substitute there to help with the science fair.
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Speaker 1: It was the substitute, says Tanner, who noticed Kiran was missing.
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Speaker 1: And she's like, oh no, where's Kiren. There's only five
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Speaker 1: and re sporters like, um she sh calmed down, calmed down.
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Speaker 1: She's probably in the bathroom. We're getting a drink of water.
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Speaker 1: And she's like, all right, I'm gonna leave, and she left.
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Speaker 1: You normally start, Dafne Young, with a person to have
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Speaker 1: last seen the child a lot. That's where your investigation starts.
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Speaker 1: In this case, it was the stepmother. Would you agree
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Speaker 1: that that's where investigations normally start, Daphne, Absolutely, You have
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Speaker 1: to look at the people closest to the child. For
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Speaker 1: a parent that has done nothing wrong, it can be
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Speaker 1: most one of the most frustrating experiences they'll ever go
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Speaker 1: through because they know in their hearts they haven't done
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Speaker 1: anything and they feel that clock ticking. Law enforcement needs
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Speaker 1: to divvy up. They need to go uh the broad
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Speaker 1: range and also then to the parent because, as I mentioned,
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Speaker 1: if those fatalities involved at least one parent, so they've
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Speaker 1: got to move towards who knows the child, who has
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Speaker 1: access to the child, the last person that saw the child,
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Speaker 1: while doing a larger broad scale investigation. When a child
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Speaker 1: goes missing, it should be all hands on deck. You're
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Speaker 1: not kidding. And I recall distinctly Mark Class and Polly
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Speaker 1: went missing. And I use you as the goal standard
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Speaker 1: whenever a child goes missing. You were basically here. Take
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Speaker 1: my fingerprints, take my d n A whatever you need,
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Speaker 1: search my home, search my computer, search whatever you want.
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Speaker 1: Look at my car so you can get past me
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Speaker 1: as the dad of Polly, and move on to find
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Speaker 1: who took my daughter. See, that's what I expect from
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Speaker 1: family members when their child goes missing. I expect them
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Speaker 1: to act like you. Well, that's exactly right. Although we
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Speaker 1: didn't have computers. Yet at least I didn't think you're
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Speaker 1: absolutely right. You have a momentary uh thinking, feeling that
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Speaker 1: that and this is a problem. You always hear defense
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Speaker 1: attorneys say you can't take a polygraph because they can't
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Speaker 1: be relied upon it, and a lot of people take
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Speaker 1: that as gospel. So you'll find innocent people that are
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Speaker 1: very reluctant to take a polygraph exam because they think
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Speaker 1: that there's somehow going to get caught up in a lie.
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Speaker 1: And unfortunately that really stalls a lot of these cases.
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Speaker 1: Not in my case, I was ready to go for it.
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Speaker 1: I wanted to be eliminated immediately so that they could
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Speaker 1: move on and find out what happened to my little girl,
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Speaker 1: Tyron Horman still missing today. Now take a listen to
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Speaker 1: the stepmother that drops him off at school that day.
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Speaker 1: According to her, as she speaks to Dr Phil, I
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Speaker 1: was told I was following orders. I'm doing what I'm
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Speaker 1: told to do because I want him found. They're saying
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Speaker 1: do it a certain way, And I did everything I
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Speaker 1: was ever asked to do. I spook openly for hours
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Speaker 1: on end with investigators, open book, told him every horrible,
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Speaker 1: little dirty secret I ever had, in my life, anything
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Speaker 1: that was going to help to find him anything. I
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Speaker 1: didn't care. It's it. But I could see how if
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Speaker 1: somebody's not on the inside of what's going on, how
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Speaker 1: they could could see it in a different way. But
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Speaker 1: I I did everything I was supposed to do, and
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Speaker 1: it still wasn't good enough. And everything gets twisted and
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Speaker 1: turned and it is. It became this um, just this
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Speaker 1: attack against me instead of the focus of being him.
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Speaker 1: After I retained an attorney, then I was told not
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Speaker 1: to talk, and I asked him to talk for me,
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Speaker 1: and he wouldn't. That was Karen's stepmother on Dr Phil.
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Speaker 1: She's recently remarried, straight out to Cheryl McCullen, director of
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Speaker 1: the Cold Case Research Institute. There was just another search
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Speaker 1: for any clues regarding the disappearance, a little tyram. It
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Speaker 1: was in West Hills, and we know that something had
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Speaker 1: to trigger that search, Cheryl. Normally, Nancy, it could be
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Speaker 1: anything from a tip somebody walking through that area could
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Speaker 1: have found something they thought was related, you know, to
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Speaker 1: this child. But here's the deal, every stone unturned on
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Speaker 1: every case, you should not stop searching. So I have
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Speaker 1: an issue with Hey, We're gonna do another search now,
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Speaker 1: even though we haven't done one in a year or two. Um,
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Speaker 1: there should be searches every weekend. You should take dogs
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Speaker 1: that are being trained at the academy to be a canine.
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Speaker 1: Let them train, but do a real search while they're training. Well,
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Speaker 1: you know what I find very very telling, Cheryl McCollum,
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Speaker 1: is that the search that just went down for Kyron Horman,
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Speaker 1: the seven year old little boy that goes missing allegedly
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Speaker 1: at the Skyline School in northwest Portland, were the search
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Speaker 1: was the wooded areas around his home. Uh. They also
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Speaker 1: then went to his school. That's the most recent search.
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Speaker 1: They are looking around his home in school and that
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Speaker 1: tells me what they have going on in their head.
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Speaker 1: What investigators are thinking, Cheryl McCollum. Well, there's no question, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: But again the last person to see him. Everything about
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Speaker 1: her would make you question her. The fact she says
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Speaker 1: she takes them somewhere, but his teacher says, yeah, he
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Speaker 1: never made anyone here. So there's no way you drop
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Speaker 1: your children off at school every day, Nancy. There's three
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Speaker 1: feet from the door when they get out of your vans.
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Speaker 1: Nobody came and swoops in and get the child. There
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Speaker 1: with six teachers and safety patrols and the principle and
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Speaker 1: all these parents standing there. That's b s. You know,
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Speaker 1: that didn't happen. We also know share all that the
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Speaker 1: Multima Multima County d A's office has them paneled a
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Speaker 1: grand jury on the Kiren Hormon case, and that means
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Speaker 1: both the criminal and instigation and linkal proceedings are still underway.
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Speaker 1: But where that's leading, we don't know. And can I
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Speaker 1: say something here? Yeah, John D. Mark, I'm sorry. About
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Speaker 1: three years ago, we were working with Chiron's mother to
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Speaker 1: do a search for Chiron um that justice Cheryl said,
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Speaker 1: you always have to continue to do these searches. And
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Speaker 1: one of the places that she asked us to search
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Speaker 1: was the father's property, the place where Chiron lived, uh
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Speaker 1: Kane Horman. And so I called Kane because I knew him,
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Speaker 1: and I told him what we were doing and asked
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Speaker 1: him if we could come onto his property and search
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Speaker 1: for Chiron. And he said absolutely not, No way in
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Speaker 1: hell was he going to let us onto his property.
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Speaker 1: And I said, well, if you know, we're professionals, we
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Speaker 1: do this all the time. If there's not a problem,
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Speaker 1: what why won't you let us on and he said,
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Speaker 1: if the deputies, if the law enforcement ever wants to
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Speaker 1: come onto our property, I'm more than willing to do it.
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Speaker 1: But I'm not letting anybody else onto my property. Which
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Speaker 1: leads to the question, if they just got a search
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Speaker 1: around the property, are they honing in on something? And
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Speaker 1: has anybody actually ever searched on the property itself? Well,
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Speaker 1: you know what, it's awfully late to be asking. It's
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Speaker 1: a shame that we're asking, Mark, Have they searched that property?
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Speaker 1: Don't don't you think they would have at the time, Mark,
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Speaker 1: Or do you think something was missed? So I think
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Speaker 1: they should have and I can't imagine that they haven't.
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Speaker 1: But that was the conversation I had with him, and
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Speaker 1: he was adamant we were not getting onto that property.
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Speaker 1: Very odd. Yes, jump in here the deal. I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: tell you right now. If you've got a parent that
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Speaker 1: has a child missing and they won't let you search
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Speaker 1: their property, that is beyond aregg flag. That is a
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Speaker 1: freaking parade of flag. This is what we know. No
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Speaker 1: one has been named a suspect, no one has been
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Speaker 1: named a person of interest at this time. Why the
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Speaker 1: father turned down Mark class Maybe he's frustrated, maybe he's angry,
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Speaker 1: maybe he's numb, maybe he's wrong. I don't know. I
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Speaker 1: do know this. The search goes on for Kyron Horman.
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Speaker 1: There's a fifty thousand dollar reward the church tipline five
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Speaker 1: is National Missing Children's Day, and we are doing our
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Speaker 1: part trying to find missing children from across our country.
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Speaker 1: We now leave the Pacific Northwest and head to Chicago,
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Speaker 1: where two little girls, ten year old Tianda and three
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Speaker 1: year old Diamond, go missing, we think from their own
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Speaker 1: apartment the morning of July six. Tracy, the girl's mom,
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Speaker 1: tells cops she saw them that morning at six thirty
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Speaker 1: a m. Before she left for work at Robert Taylor Park.
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Speaker 1: She prepares lunches there for children in a summer camp program.
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Speaker 1: She got back home early in the afternoon to find
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Speaker 1: a note written by Tianda placed on the back of
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Speaker 1: a couch and said they had gone by to a
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Speaker 1: school a school playground very close by, and that they
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Speaker 1: would go to like the local seven eleven well. The
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Speaker 1: mom then tells a tribune that she searched for hours
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Speaker 1: that day before she calls the police at six thirty
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Speaker 1: p m. That night. That sparked a massive investigation. Daphne
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Speaker 1: Young with me with child help, Mark Class founder of
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Speaker 1: Class Kids, and Cheryl McCallum, director of the Cold Case
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Speaker 1: Research Institute. Daphne, I recalled distinctly when Diamond and Tianna
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Speaker 1: that went missing. As a matter of fact, we took
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Speaker 1: our show then with CNN's h l N on the
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Speaker 1: road to Chicago to investigate their disappearance. Daphne, what do
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Speaker 1: you recall the girl's disappearance. Well, I just remember it
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Speaker 1: was a massive search and there were rotating crews. There
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Speaker 1: were hundreds of detectives working around the clock. They searched
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Speaker 1: everywhere as sewers, lagoons, abandoned building factories, people were digging
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Speaker 1: through garbage. Uh, they were interviewing relatives. It was a
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Speaker 1: huge search and rumors spread around the neighborhood. There were
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Speaker 1: tips I believe close to a thousand um. There were
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Speaker 1: even psychics involved. I mean this, this captured the nation.
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Speaker 1: I think you have these two little girls with these
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Speaker 1: captivating names, and they were doing what so many children do,
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Speaker 1: the most banal things, right, going supposedly disappearing from a
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Speaker 1: neighborhoods playground. When children are doing the things children and
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Speaker 1: they're supposed to do and something wicked or evil happened,
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Speaker 1: it really captures the nation because we think they were
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Speaker 1: just trying to play, or they should have been out playing.
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Speaker 1: Where are these little girls? You know? The theories on
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Speaker 1: Diamond and Tiana's disappearance bounded Mark Class. I remember one
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Speaker 1: psychic uh told the family they were being held as
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Speaker 1: sex slaves in Illinois somewhere. Then, as I recall the
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Speaker 1: bio dad lived in another country. Um, it was either
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Speaker 1: Trinidad or Morocco. One it was Morocco. Jackie's waving at me,
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Speaker 1: and there was the theory that the dad had kidnapped
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Speaker 1: the girls that was investigated. It neither amounted to anything.
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Speaker 1: So even bringing in psychic, Smart Class, what does that
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Speaker 1: tell you that police are down to bringing in psychics.
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Speaker 1: The police are out ssolutely desperate, And you're absolutely correct.
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Speaker 1: This became an international searched um in Chicago, they searched
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Speaker 1: five thousand abandoned buildings for these little girls. But when
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Speaker 1: you bring in psychics, you're in probably the most desperate
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Speaker 1: place you can be. And I just want to say
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Speaker 1: this about psychics. I believe they really are part of
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Speaker 1: a second wave of predators in these kinds of situations,
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Speaker 1: because they swooped down as they did in our case
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Speaker 1: as well. And they tell you that if you give
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Speaker 1: them a little item of your child's they'll tell you
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Speaker 1: where your child is. And ultimately, what's going to happen
27:31
Speaker 1: if you're in California like I am, the psychic is
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Speaker 1: going to say, I see rolling hills, I hear running water,
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Speaker 1: I see out buildings of some kind. And what you've
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Speaker 1: done then is you have described of the topography in
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Speaker 1: the state of northern or in northern California. Um. So,
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Speaker 1: the reality is is that psychics never help a case.
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Speaker 1: They always hinder a case. They give absolutely walls hope,
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Speaker 1: or is in the case of the famous second Sylvia Brown,
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Speaker 1: they will dash your hopes and tell you that your
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Speaker 1: child is dead, when in fact is in the case
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Speaker 1: of Sean Hornbeck, he was very much alive and only
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Speaker 1: a few miles down the road. These two little girls
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Speaker 1: were last seen at their family home, an apartment on
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Speaker 1: South Lake Park Avenue in Chicago. The mom as I
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Speaker 1: told you, at least for six thirty a m Diamond
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Speaker 1: and her older sister, Tianda, stayed at the home during
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Speaker 1: the morning, and the mom, Tracy, discovered they weren't home
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Speaker 1: when she came home around eleven a m. Now, apparently
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Speaker 1: Tianda left a note stating they were going to walk
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Speaker 1: by to a nearby school to play and a little store.
28:46
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, Tianda was taking summer classes
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Speaker 1: at Dolittle Elementary. Now, after we research, we find out
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Speaker 1: school officials insist she was absent the day of her disappearance.
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Speaker 1: Neighborhood children claim they saw Diamond and Tianda playing outside
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Speaker 1: at lunchtime. Neither child has ever been heard from again.
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Speaker 1: When I look at their descriptions, it's it's brutal. This
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Speaker 1: little girl, Diamond, who was just three years old. She
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Speaker 1: was three ft tall and she only weighed forty pounds.
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Speaker 1: She had violet and purple ponytails holders in her hair.
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Speaker 1: She's African American with big, beautiful brown eyes. She's got
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Speaker 1: a tiny scar on the left side of her hairline,
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Speaker 1: and she normally wears her hair braided in the back
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Speaker 1: with four ponytails. That was her favorite. She's got beautiful,
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Speaker 1: deep set eyes. Tianda was ten years old at the time.
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Speaker 1: She went missing just four to and only weighed seventy pounds.
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Speaker 1: Green ponytail holders in her hair, African American little girl,
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Speaker 1: big brown eyes. She has a quarter sized burned scar
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Speaker 1: on her left forearm and at the time she went missing,
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Speaker 1: she had a scrape on her left calf. She normally
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Speaker 1: wears her hair in long ponytails. They disappeared together again.
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Speaker 1: The tipline is eight hundred eight four three fifty six
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Speaker 1: seventy eight. Listen to what her sisters say. She was
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Speaker 1: like we had being the house. She had drunk from
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Speaker 1: couch to couch, like said, he running around the house,
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Speaker 1: and she had these dark ads that used to scare everybody.
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Speaker 1: It was crazy. And Tianna she like dancing and she
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Speaker 1: like around how but dancing was her favorite hobby. You know.
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Speaker 1: She used to do a lot of fuff like she's
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Speaker 1: at them, Jim, Jim come first place. She loved does
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Speaker 1: She loved dance and she was the ask one of them,
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Speaker 1: even me. You know, we would laid back, go out.
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Speaker 1: Now we head to Oakland, California and the disappearance of
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Speaker 1: Hassany Jamil Campbell take a listen to his parents. At
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Speaker 1: the time he goes missing. I've cledly changed my life
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Speaker 1: now frist if something's wrong with him, he don't give
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Speaker 1: give myself Graham, it's one of them home. Don't let
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Speaker 1: him become a picture on the milk card pots five
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Speaker 1: years dater that you never found. What do we know
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Speaker 1: about the disappearance off a sny Campbell looking at him,
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Speaker 1: he's just precious five years old when he goes missing,
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Speaker 1: three ft forty pounds, wearing a gray sweatshirt, gray panther shorts.
31:44
Speaker 1: Interesting he had cerebral palsy and was wearing his braces.
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Speaker 1: Last scene in Oakland with his foster father, Louise Ross.
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Speaker 1: Now he leaves the boy, he's going to me the
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Speaker 1: boys aunt there, the foster parents, and that's his biological
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Speaker 1: aunt that Louise is engaged too. So she had as
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Speaker 1: I recall a shoe store and to get in, it's
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Speaker 1: like a strip center. You drive around back of the
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Speaker 1: store and part right outside the back door and walk
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Speaker 1: in that way. So he pulls up in a BMW
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Speaker 1: and the parking a lot of shoes. S h u Z.
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Speaker 1: That's a shoe store where she worked. And he was
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Speaker 1: dropping a sany off with him and his one year
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Speaker 1: old sister Aliyah alright to be with the aunt Jennifer.
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Speaker 1: So long story short, he goes in the back door
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Speaker 1: to tell Jennifer he's bringing the children in. He goes
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Speaker 1: back out, Hassani is gone. When he gets back out
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Speaker 1: to the BMW, Hasani was totally missing. What I don't
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Speaker 1: understand to Daphne Young joining us with child help on
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Speaker 1: this very important day, a missing children's day across our country.
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Speaker 1: If this child had cerebral policy and was wearing his braces,
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Speaker 1: how far could he get in that short of a time. Well,
33:10
Speaker 1: and not only does he have cerebral policy, but he
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Speaker 1: was wearing leg braces with Spiderman imagery on it. So
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Speaker 1: not only do we have this child that's disabled, but
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Speaker 1: we have this child that's very visible and would be
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Speaker 1: seen by anybody even trying to make it down the block.
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Speaker 1: It's also heartbreaking that that's such a symbol of childhood
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Speaker 1: and innocence and love of superheroes for a little boy
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Speaker 1: who had a little trouble getting around. I just can't
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Speaker 1: imagine he could have gotten far, and I can't imagine
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Speaker 1: that he would have run away. This is clearly either
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Speaker 1: an abduction or something else, you know, defacts. Children Family
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Speaker 1: Services never had a problem with a couple of foster parents.
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Speaker 1: They claimed the couple conscientiously looked after Hassani's medical needs.
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Speaker 1: He was the students at James Leech Elementary and the
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Speaker 1: time he went missing, police of course immediately Mark Class
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Speaker 1: impound the BMW, They take Aliyah away, put her in
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Speaker 1: protective custody. They search, pursuit to want the foster parents home,
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Speaker 1: the car, everything they can think of, no clue, Mark Class.
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Speaker 1: You know, I think I live in the San Francisco
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Speaker 1: Bay Area. Oakland has a very real crime problem, There's
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Speaker 1: no question about that. In in response to that, CCTV cameras,
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Speaker 1: surveillance cameras have been put up all over that city.
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Speaker 1: It's hard to find a location where you're not going
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Speaker 1: to be surveilled by a camera except the back of
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Speaker 1: that shoe store. That's the one location in that vicinity
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Speaker 1: where there are no surveillance cameras whatsoever. And so to
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Speaker 1: think that this guy is going to go into the
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Speaker 1: store to say he's bringing the children in and instead
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Speaker 1: of just bringing the children in and then coming out
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Speaker 1: and finding Hassani gun is absolutely ludicrous. If it's going
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Speaker 1: to be a kidnapping. I think the kidnapper would be
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Speaker 1: drawn to the one year old, very healthy little girl
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Speaker 1: much more than too little Hassani. And if little Hassani
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Speaker 1: had somehow gotten out of the car and tried to
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Speaker 1: run away, he wouldn't have gotten more than six or
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Speaker 1: seven feet in the time frame that this guy Louis escaped.
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Speaker 1: So a lot of attention was focused on this man
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Speaker 1: immediately as well. It should have been well another thing,
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Speaker 1: Mark class, just as you and I would have done.
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Speaker 1: Immediately when he went missing, police promptly brought out tracker
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Speaker 1: dogs to the back of Shoes sh Uz, the shoe
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Speaker 1: store where the aunt, the foster mom worked. All right, now, Hassani,
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Speaker 1: this little boy aunt with braces on his legs disappears
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Speaker 1: advantages in the middle of a very busy business district,
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Speaker 1: crowded with people. Nobody saw anything. Okay, Now, that doesn't
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Speaker 1: surprise me, because when you try to steal a kid,
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Speaker 1: drive up, you stick him in the car, You're gone.
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Speaker 1: In forty five seconds, it's over. But this Mark Klass
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Speaker 1: and Daphne young tracker dogs immediately could not find Hassani's
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Speaker 1: scent at the site where he was supposedly last seen now, Daphne.
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Speaker 1: This did not come into evidence at the Scott and
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Speaker 1: Lacy Peterson trial. But did you know tracker dogs followed
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Speaker 1: lacy scent all the way from her home where she
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Speaker 1: was believed to have been killed, but the last place
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Speaker 1: she was all the way to the marina at San
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Speaker 1: Francisco Bay. Nobody told the dogs to do that. Okay,
36:40
Speaker 1: they followed her sent all the way to the San
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Speaker 1: Francisco Bay. Some tracker dog evidence did come in, but
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Speaker 1: not that evidence. But I know that to be true.
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Speaker 1: And immediately after Hassani goes missing, the dogs don't smell
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Speaker 1: a thing. It seems very suspicious. And there were family
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Speaker 1: neighbors but that they hadn't seen little Hassani about two
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Speaker 1: weeks before his disappearance, so they have him, I believe,
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Speaker 1: last seen at a Fremont Walmart and the neighbors are
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Speaker 1: saying they haven't seen this little boy. And clearly this
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Speaker 1: was out of the ordinary, So I find it hard
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Speaker 1: to believe that he was even there with tracker dogs
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Speaker 1: being unable to find him and weeks going by without
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Speaker 1: little Hassani being seen. Because of his special needs, he
37:27
Speaker 1: probably needed a lot of extra help to get in
37:29
Speaker 1: and out of cars. So this is a very odd thing.
37:33
Speaker 1: You know, you brought up something very interesting. Daphne Young
37:36
Speaker 1: with me with child help on today, Missing Children's Day
37:40
Speaker 1: across our country, Mark Class with me, founder of class kids.
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Speaker 1: Mark what she is saying, Um, think about it. She's right.
37:51
Speaker 1: That child, Hassani Campbell, this beautiful little boy with braces
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Speaker 1: on his legs, had not been seen by anybody the
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Speaker 1: foster parents for two weeks. And you can't blame the
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Speaker 1: school because this was August. He hadn't been in school,
38:08
Speaker 1: so it's not that the school didn't report him missing
38:10
Speaker 1: for two weeks. The last time we think he had
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Speaker 1: been spotted was that August is six, at a Walmart store.
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Speaker 1: That was it. How does that he hinder the investigation?
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Speaker 1: Mark Class, Well, it puts two weeks between the last
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Speaker 1: time anybody saw Hassani and law enforcements and the ability
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Speaker 1: to be able to to locate Hassani and Hasani is
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Speaker 1: still completely missing. One of the problems, and another one
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Speaker 1: of the problems, Natty, is they brought the search dogs
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Speaker 1: out in the search dogs were all unable to find
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Speaker 1: a scent. You're then left in a situation where there
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Speaker 1: is absolutely no place you can search for Hassani work
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Speaker 1: could that little boy? Bet he could be any place
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Speaker 1: on the face of the earth. This child missing from
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Speaker 1: Oakland is classified as endangered. Missing just five years old
38:55
Speaker 1: when he seemingly vanishes into thin air, just three feet
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Speaker 1: forty pounds, gray sweatshirt, gray pants or shorts, white arch
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Speaker 1: support braces with Spider Man logos on a poor little baby.
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Speaker 1: He has cerebral paulicy. He could walk, but he cannot
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Speaker 1: run or jump. Um. He's an African American male, brown hair,
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Speaker 1: beautiful brown eyes, and he speaks with a lisp. Hassani
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Speaker 1: Campbell missing the tip line if you know anything about
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Speaker 1: the disappearance of Hassany Campbell five on zero two, three
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Speaker 1: eighty five, zero to thirty six forty one. Joining me
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Speaker 1: right now, Daphne Young, Cheryl McCollum and Mark Class. Let's
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Speaker 1: go to Nashville, guys. Tabitha last seen by her family
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Speaker 1: seven a m. Her father wakes her up. It's April nine.
39:55
Speaker 1: They live there in a little home on Lillian Street
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Speaker 1: and Nashville. She was watching t be he goes to
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Speaker 1: work now. She was supposed to get on the school
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Speaker 1: bus that morning at eight a m. At fourteen in
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Speaker 1: Biscua Bell Street. Witnesses saw her more than one, which
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Speaker 1: in my mind takes the father out of the mix.
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Speaker 1: Witnesses see her walking to the bus stop. Okay, she
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Speaker 1: was reading some papers as she walked. She was not
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Speaker 1: in a hurry. She was not looking for anybody. I
40:27
Speaker 1: gotta tell you something, Mark, that reminds me so much
40:31
Speaker 1: of my daughter, Lucy. John David is the mayor of Funville. Okay, Mark, Lucy.
40:37
Speaker 1: It's always reading something. Her mind is a million miles away.
40:44
Speaker 1: In some stories she's writing, or she likes to draw,
40:48
Speaker 1: she likes to read. I can just see this girl,
40:52
Speaker 1: Tabitha Tutors, just precious walking to the bus stop at
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Speaker 1: eight a m. People saw her more than one. As
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Speaker 1: I was saying to me, that takes the dad out
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Speaker 1: of the mix. But here's the here's the twist. Tabitha
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Speaker 1: never got on the bus and she never got to
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Speaker 1: Bailey Middle School, just two miles away. The parents don't
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Speaker 1: know a thing until that evening when she doesn't come home.
41:23
Speaker 1: They find out she was missing from school and they
41:26
Speaker 1: immediately report her missing to police. Okay, Mark, class, can
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Speaker 1: you even imagine getting the perp getting that much of
41:35
Speaker 1: a head start from eight am to six pm. Why
41:40
Speaker 1: didn't the school call the parents? Well, that's a that's
41:44
Speaker 1: an issue that needs to be addressed, and it really
41:46
Speaker 1: needs to be addressed in every school in America that
41:49
Speaker 1: when children don't show up, the parents need to be
41:53
Speaker 1: notified immediately. And I'll tell you why, Nancy, because this
41:57
Speaker 1: is an interesting factory here. A third of all abduction
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Speaker 1: attempts in the United States occur on school bus routes.
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Speaker 1: And they occur on school But wait a minute, wait
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Speaker 1: a minute, let me let me let that soak in
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Speaker 1: mark class. WHOA, you just taught me something. I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: write this sandhold on one third of child abductions. Okay,
42:21
Speaker 1: go ahead, I'm writing this, Jackie. Please get this month
42:23
Speaker 1: our child abductions. What now? So a third of all
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Speaker 1: child abduction attempts occur on school routes. And that tells
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Speaker 1: us something, Nancy. That tells us that if we know
42:35
Speaker 1: that fact, we can cunt We can cut abductions in
42:38
Speaker 1: this country tremendously simply by addressing that singular issue. And
42:43
Speaker 1: we can do that in a variety of ways. We
42:46
Speaker 1: can do that by having neighbors watched the children on
42:49
Speaker 1: the routes by doing some kind of a round robin
42:52
Speaker 1: where there's always a parent watching the kids going to
42:55
Speaker 1: the routes or going to the bus and coming home
42:58
Speaker 1: from the bus. We could have that as an elderly
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Speaker 1: project for an elderly home where you don't have to
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Speaker 1: do something. You could go high tech and put surveillance
43:07
Speaker 1: cameras along those routes. And if we were to do that,
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Speaker 1: we would be able to prevent situations like Tabitha's or
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Speaker 1: so many of the other children that we've talked about
43:16
Speaker 1: over the years that if you'll look back, you'll see
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Speaker 1: that they disappeared either going to school or coming home
43:23
Speaker 1: from school. There are set patterns. Predators understand that they're
43:27
Speaker 1: able to plan for it, and they're able to do
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Speaker 1: things in stell. You know what, Mark Classy makes so
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Speaker 1: much sense. I did not know that statistic if you
43:37
Speaker 1: I got that from the National Center from Missing and
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Speaker 1: Exploited Children, Daphne Young with me with Child Help Organization.
43:46
Speaker 1: Did you know that fact? I did not know one
43:49
Speaker 1: third of all child abduction attempts occur on a bus
43:52
Speaker 1: route or on the way to school. It's true and
43:55
Speaker 1: one of the big problems is that, in addition to
43:58
Speaker 1: not safeguarding the areas where children are which mark class
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Speaker 1: is correct, we should take the onus off the child
44:05
Speaker 1: and do our duty as a community and create safe
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Speaker 1: ruts so that every step that a child takes is secured.
44:12
Speaker 1: And also we should put some prevention education in the
44:15
Speaker 1: schools as well, so children learned body safety Internet creditors
44:19
Speaker 1: what to do when being groomed. You know, we do
44:22
Speaker 1: a lot of stop, drop and roll for fire safety.
44:24
Speaker 1: It should be the same thing for their personal safety.
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Speaker 1: This Tabatha Daniel Tudor's taste was very personal to me
44:31
Speaker 1: because every case means a lot. But she's a dead
44:34
Speaker 1: ringer for my own daughter. She would be the same
44:37
Speaker 1: age today. I think about every milestone that my daughter
44:40
Speaker 1: is made with her dirty blonde hair and her cat
44:43
Speaker 1: shaped eyes and she's just like Tabitha and her name
44:46
Speaker 1: is Katrina. And I think about the graduations and all
44:49
Speaker 1: the things that these families are missing, the proms, the
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Speaker 1: life milestones that a parent has to go through who's
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Speaker 1: lost a child, And we think about just some basic
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Speaker 1: cam was on a bus right in a little body safety.
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Speaker 1: It's heartbreaking, you know when you say she's a dead
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Speaker 1: ringer for your daughter. Can you imagine what these parents
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Speaker 1: have gone through all this time that they have been
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Speaker 1: trying desperately to find their daughter. Guys were talking about
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Speaker 1: Tabitha Tutor. She was last seen on the way to
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Speaker 1: the school bus. Now, this little girl had just turned
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Speaker 1: thirt change, just past twelve, no history of ever having
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Speaker 1: run away. She was a straight A student with perfect attendance,
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Speaker 1: perfect attendance, she had never missed school before, active in
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Speaker 1: the choir at the Eastland Baptist Church, no evidence at all.
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Speaker 1: She even had a little boyfriend. As a matter of fact,
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Speaker 1: she was so excited she was supposed to go to
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Speaker 1: six Flags Amusement Park in Louisville two weeks after she disappeared,
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Speaker 1: and she was so excited about her upcoming trip. Or
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Speaker 1: talking about Tabitha Tutors out of Nashville, Tennessee missing. Take
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Speaker 1: a listen to Nashville detectives. If we get it out
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Speaker 1: there and the right person see something at the right moment,
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Speaker 1: that there was some little piece, it could solve this case.
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Speaker 1: It's going to take someone that knows something coming forward.
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Speaker 1: This really upsets me Mark Class because when she first
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Speaker 1: went missing, cops treated it as a runaway. Why does
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Speaker 1: that keep happening. I always hear that this one or
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Speaker 1: that was treated as a runaway, then they turned up dead.
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Speaker 1: They have not run away. Mark. It ebsolves law enforcement
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Speaker 1: of a responsibility to look for the children. What they
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Speaker 1: say is if the children and they did this in
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Speaker 1: police case right, they had a two eye witnesses to
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Speaker 1: the to the kidnapping of Pouli from this character with
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Speaker 1: the knife, yet they still thought she had orchestrated her
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Speaker 1: own disappearance and was in fact the runaway. It absolves
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Speaker 1: law enforcement of responsibility. If the child ran away, then
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Speaker 1: it's the parents problem and not their problem, Or at
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Speaker 1: least that was the funck back in the day. Things
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Speaker 1: have changed now because of human trafficking and the vulnerability
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Speaker 1: of runaway children to human trafficking. But it is so
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Speaker 1: easy for them to say that they don't listen to
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Speaker 1: the parents. They don't want to hear the evidence. All
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Speaker 1: they want to do is somehow get away from it
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Speaker 1: so that they don't have to look for that needle
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Speaker 1: in the haystack. You know, they've looked up sex offenders,
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Speaker 1: They've looked up boyfriends and relatives and husbands and in
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Speaker 1: laws of relatives. Police search the logs of computers at
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Speaker 1: a local library where Tabitha had gone to the library.
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Speaker 1: Nothing turned up nothing. They researched a guy, Martin tim Boyd,
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Speaker 1: arrested for trying to lure an eleven year old girl
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Speaker 1: into his car a few months after Tabatha disappeared. Nothing
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Speaker 1: that was the dead end, nothing really connected him to
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Speaker 1: this case. He's been taken off the suspect list now out.
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Speaker 1: Then a trucker reports a possible signing of Tabitha in Linton, Indiana.
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Speaker 1: It was a girl with a man and another teen girl.
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Speaker 1: The girl looked anxious and afraid. Later the trucker realized
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Speaker 1: she resembled a girl on a missing person's flyer. That
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Speaker 1: girl was Tabitha. A hotel clerk in Linton saw a
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Speaker 1: girl resembling Tabitha same town and reported it. Neither siding
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Speaker 1: was confirmed. But Mark, I find that very coincidental that
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Speaker 1: a trucker thinks he sees her, and then at a
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Speaker 1: local hotel they think that they see her. What about that, Well,
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Speaker 1: you know, Daphne said that she looks a lot like
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Speaker 1: her own daughter, and I think that Tabitha looks a
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Speaker 1: lot like my own daughter. I mean, they're just little
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Speaker 1: girls that bear resemblance to each other. The problem with
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Speaker 1: that kind of a tip is law enforcement oftentimes can't
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Speaker 1: track it down. People can say easily, oh, I saw
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Speaker 1: Tabitha in a car heading the other direction on the highway. Well,
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Speaker 1: there's nothing that can be done with something like that.
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Speaker 1: If you have a picture of the child, if you
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Speaker 1: have a location for the child, if you have some
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Speaker 1: kind of physical evidence that law enforcement could go and
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Speaker 1: put together with this child. Um, then you can find
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Speaker 1: out if you're dealing with a credible tip or not. Otherwise. Uh,
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Speaker 1: it's just something that maybe the out of somebody's imagination,
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Speaker 1: you know, is just listening to Tabitha's dad when little
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Speaker 1: Tabitha had just turned thirteen went missing from her Nashville neighborhood.
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Speaker 1: Time has passed, but the parents, Boat and Debora have
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Speaker 1: not been able to move on. The dad was saying, Mark,
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Speaker 1: I went to work. I left at seven in the morning.
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Speaker 1: I told her baby, get up, and she said, okay, Dad,
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Speaker 1: I'm up. And that's the last time they saw her,
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Speaker 1: says the mom. Tabitha gets ready, goes to school, walked
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Speaker 1: to the school bus, which was one block away, and
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Speaker 1: she never came home. We don't know what really happened,
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Speaker 1: just as she went towards the bus stop and never
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Speaker 1: made it to the other bus stop. You know, the
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Speaker 1: mom says she would always say, Tabatha, don't sit out
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Speaker 1: on that corner by yourself. And just imagining a little
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Speaker 1: girl sitting alone at a bus stop. What do you
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Speaker 1: make of that, Daphne Young. One of the most terrifying
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Speaker 1: things is you mentioned tracker dogs, and both tracker dogs
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Speaker 1: eventually traced her sent to an alley, a place that
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Speaker 1: Tabitha's buddies and friends said she would never ever go alone.
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Speaker 1: Like you say. She was that a student, that reader
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Speaker 1: that more solitary girl. And what one of my horrors
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Speaker 1: is that you know, once that scent is lost, one
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Speaker 1: of two things happened. This little girl was either killed
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Speaker 1: or she was taken to another place. And one of
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Speaker 1: the most important things we do is never stop looking.
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Speaker 1: You've mentioned that Tabitha's case doesn't get a lot of
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Speaker 1: press these days. We can never stop looking for these
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Speaker 1: little girls and boys. They could be tied up someplace.
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Speaker 1: We've seen with Elizabeth Smart that kids can come home,
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Speaker 1: they can be brainwashed. They can be kidnapped, but they
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Speaker 1: can come home. And I hold out hope for Tabitha.
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Speaker 1: I hold out hope that she wasn't killed, but that
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Speaker 1: she was kidnapped, and that there could be a reunion
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Speaker 1: at some point, at some time. Yeah, you know, Nancy Um,
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Speaker 1: Tabitha's circumstances almost exactly like j C do Guard circumstance.
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Speaker 1: Yet eighteen years later j C do Guard showed up alive.
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Speaker 1: So there's always hope. Guys with me are two not
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