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You are listening to the Philadelphia Sports Table podcast show, the longest running weekly
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Philly sports podcast show in the world, eleven years strong. We've got a
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great show coming for you. And as you listen to this, yes,
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I am on vacation, Jeff Warren here on vacation with my family. We've
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recorded this podcast last week. But we got a great show for you.
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Not really a lot of sports. I'm gonna tell you that right off the
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bat. So if you came to hear about the Eagles, the Phillies,
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the Flyers, the Sixers of the Union, you know what, just stop
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right now and go to another podcast because we don't have any of that this
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week. But we got a fun show for you again. I'm Jeff Warren.
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I'm here at my buddy, Eric Leonard. Boy, I really messed
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that up, didn't I. I've only known me twenty seven years. Jeff,
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Holy cow, should I actually edit that? You got leave that?
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Oh my god? Eric Leonard, Folks, Jesus feel like him in a
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time fort like you're on vacation right now. What the hell happens we're doing
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the show. I know what's going on. I don't understand this. I
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forgot your name. I forgot your name? Am I on vacation with you?
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Another life? Please? How's this work? Please come down? Please
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come down to the beach. You're not really a beach guy. I've got
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folks. I've never heard someone bitch and know more about being on vacation in
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this guy when he's at the beach. You want to text him back,
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like, could you shut the hell up? I'm at work. I'm trying
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over the years, I'm trying here to to embrace more of that that beach
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life. What are those stickers on the back of cars that I see every
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now? Salt life TRN trying to not for you, man, No it's
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not. I don't like salt life. You know what it looks like.
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Every time I see one of those stickers life slut life, Yes, I
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thought it was. It was always like on a woman's car and I'm like,
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that's pretty bold. I know, there's like a middle aged woman driving
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and I'm like, well, how are you? And then you see on
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a guy's car You're like, all right, dude, yeah, exactly,
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pull a car over, buddy. Well, my vacation is about the end.
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I've been on vacation for like three months, dude, you've been on
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vacation for a while. Now you got a job. We mentioned it a
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couple of weeks ago. Congrats again, and you're be starting soon in July.
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First. Yeah, I'm getting that point to you. I probably should
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work. I'm getting really bored. But I mean I'm very tan and I
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walk the dog everywhere. It's gonna say you're doing yard work and stuff.
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You look very tan, more than usual. Yeah. I My wife said
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I look rather Mexican right now, which is I have Mexican my heritage.
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But so yeah, the darker again, it starts to start to the homeland.
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We got some immigration issues going on in this country right now. But
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I'll watch out there in central Pennsylvania. Well, it was funny. I
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sent her a selfie of me drinking a beer the other day and she just
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broke back. You gotta watch out. And Trump's gonna get you. She's
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not even president, but he'll get you. He'll get your Well, like
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I said, you know, we got we got a fun show. I
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think here at first, Eric and I were going to get into where we
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see the sports media landscape really trending. Don't necessarily know where that conversation is
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going to go, and then we got a new top three list after that
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that we want to dive into in honor of the summer, and hopefully everybody
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else out there is gonna have some summer vacations or some getaways. That top
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three list is gonna be the top three vacation spots that we have ever been
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to. And we're gonna have some random music talk too, just talk about,
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you know, what we've been listening to and what we're what's pleasing to
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our ears as we're moving into the summer here. So why don't we just
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get started, Eric talking about where the sports media landscape is trending. And
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one of the reasons why I wanted to talk about this and discuss this with
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you quite frankly you more than Len, because I don't know, I just
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don't know how in tune Len is with regard to sports media. I mean,
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I know he's into, you know, watching the Phillies right now.
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Of course he still follows what's going on with the Eagles, flyer sixers and
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Union, but like when it comes to his consumption of sports media, I'm
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not sure where it's at. That's where I wanted to bring it up on
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this particular show, because man, the years here. We've been doing this
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show for over eleven years now, and we're getting to the point where sports
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media and this landscape is there's just a bunch of mud. There's mud,
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and there's a lot of just there's poo turns everywhere. But there's also some
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really good sports content out there as well, And I just I don't know
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where the industry is going to go because I'm not even sure if there's an
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ability at this point to do even more micro marketing to sports enthusiasts. And
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I say that because I hear so many podcasts and I even listen to certain
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podcasts. There are certain Eagles podcasts I listen to that really dive into the
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analytics of teams and players and the direction that teams are going in again based
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on statistics and analytics. And I feel like we've gotten to the point where
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it's also saturated, where sometimes I even get confused as to, Okay,
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what really is important to me in terms of my sports media consumption. Again,
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like I said, there's a lot of crap out there, and there's
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some there's some folks, god bless them, I don't know they've got a
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following. They I guess they have some listenership and they're just not good at
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what they do. And I'm not saying we're stellar at what we do,
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but we've had now exactly are shaking your head, No, we stink,
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but we've been doing it for a while and we've got we've got a base
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following, and we've had it for quite some time. But I don't know,
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I don't know if we can get any more niche within the podcast media
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landscape, the sports media landscape from where we are right now, and I
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wonder where the trends are gonna start going. Have you thought about this at
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all? Yeah, I think I said for the show, we were just
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discussing this topic a little bit, just to see what direction would possibly go
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in the conversation. But like I think the sports media landscape reflects reflects what
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social media has become. You know, it's given voice to only smart,
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smart, analytical sports fans and people that you know otherwise would not have a
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voice in the in the former media with just newspapers and talk radio. But
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it also allows for voices of like dogshit poo turns. Like you just said,
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it's gonna let everybody in it, and it's gonna like let the mediocrity
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into it. It's it's good that it's good that that landscape is so wide
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now that people do have a chance to like to have a voice where they
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didn't have one before. But man, you got to sift through the ship
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to get to the good stuff. And I my podcast tastes is still weird.
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I I'll hear about one, I'll save it to my Spotify and I
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probably sixty or seventy, but then I always wind up listening to the same
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like five ones anyway, Yeah, because yeah, it's really hard to find
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good ones. When you do, you just stay with them because I like,
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if I had, if I have a good reliable voice, like Mike
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Lombardi's the GM Shuffle is a really good one. That guy actually did the
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job, Zach Low for ESPN, The NBA guy knows his shit, And
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I mean, if I want to hear a good entertaining interview with a celebrity
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or comic, I listened to Maren's podcast, like I didn't really venture too
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far out and I'm forty seven. I just don't I don't feel like searching.
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And the thing I don't know, think this happens to you. But
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like, if you hear one bad one in a feed, do you just
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bail? Because I know I do. Dude, I got to tell you
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something that is really interesting. You just asked that question because today I was
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listening to a political podcast that I have been enjoying probably for a good six
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months now. Today's episode, as I was mowing the law and I'm listening
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to it, and I was just getting I was getting ticked off, one
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by the content, but two by the fact I'm like, this is not
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a good pot. I'm like, this is not good content here, and
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I'm like, what's being talked about here? The context is terrible, And
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I don't want to get into the political aspects of what that actual episode was
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and the podcast that it was. But I was like, oh my god,
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I don't know if I'm want to keep listening to this even though I've
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been listening to it for the past six months. That one episode, like
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you said, one episode, I was like questioning whether or not I was
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going to continue listening to this podcast. Yeah. But the good thing is
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because it is so niche. Once you do find one like I like bizarre
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comedy, I like comedy, it probably doesn't make sense to like eighty percent
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of people. Yeah, Like I love senses working over time with David Cross's
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new one. He does really strange interviews. He just goes right into it.
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You don't know if it's a bit. They're like an hour long,
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and he always has like really interesting people on his His one with Bob oden
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Kirk a few months ago was incredible. But yeah, but I like that
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I have that option that there is so many different types that it can appeal
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to all my sensive sensibilit Yeah, but it's like I said, I it
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takes a long time to find him. And you know, and unfortunately we
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were talking earlier about about sports writing and sports media. Oh yeah, let's
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get into that for a second. Yeah, like just the old days of
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you know, specifically at Philadelphia, like back back in like two thousand and
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five, I'd say I knew every Philly sports writer. I knew what I
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knew what he looked like or he or she looked like. I kind of
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knew his vibe. You know. Marcus Hayes was a douche. I can't
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think of the guy. Stan Hoffman was just incredible. He was like a
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man on the Street kind of an old old times sports writer. Those Unfortunately,
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those guys just got left behind. You know, I really missed that
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kind of old old style, stoic kind of sports uh communication writing, whatever
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you want to call it. Yeah, and that's just kind of gone with.
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I'm sure it's out there somewhere in the podcast world, but I don't
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know. And I think it's why I like mcbarti's podcast because his his very
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old school like this is how football was with greater this is what Al Davis
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used to do. I dig that. Yeah, well, a lot of
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the a lot of these writers, say you mentioned before, like before we
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hit the record button, you mentioned David Murphy, right, Like, we've
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all known David Murphy over the years and quite frankly, not a not a
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terrible writer by any stretch, but we know who these individuals are. But
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there are certain writers out there, just because they have the written platform of
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whatever publication they're writing for, they feel like they can have a podcast and
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all of a sudden, that podcast is going to help generate what, whether
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it's more readers, subscribers, whatever the case is. Just because you're a
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good writer does not mean you are going to be a good podcaster by any
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stretch of the imagination. In fact, there are some terrible podcasters out there
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who are really good writers as well. And it's interesting we're talking about this
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because I read a tweet earlier today from Eastwood on Twitter at Run It Back
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Philly. I think he's a Sixers guy, and he said, by the
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way, you nerd writers who never played a sport should be had be these
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Twitter pages and YouTubers are reacting to your reports. They're keeping your dying form
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of media relevant for the time being. I actually thought that was a pretty
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relevant topic with regard to the sports writing because there are so many bloggers out
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there. There are so many people who are writing for various websites, some
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folks we have on this web or on our podcast who write for other websites.
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And while I truly believe those individuals we have on our podcast here do
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a good job at their craft, it's one of the reasons why I bring
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them on. Not everybody is great out there, and there's some really crappy
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writers who do get a platform just because they're able to publish on the Internet.
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And I think we may be getting to that point. I wonder if
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we're coming up to that line Eric, where people are gonna really just start
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seeing that and saying, you know what, I don't want. I don't
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want shit content. I don't want the poo turds anymore. So we're gonna
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go to people who are one more entertaining too, a more desirable type of
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content. And again it's to each zone, I guess, but I thought
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that tweet that I just read was was pretty relevant. Yeah, unfortunately,
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though, what what what people want? And you see on ESPN, I
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guess that's what people want because they get all the money, you know,
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the Pat McAfee's, Yeah, the stephen A Smith kind of stuff. And
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I like Steven A. Smith. But you can't have hot takes every single
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day because eventually I'm gonna be like, I don't like, it's not even
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hot. This is just what you do. Like it's it's like, well
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I have to outdo the other station. If you'd be more outrageous, It's
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like that's just not me, Like just be better, like have the best
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coverage, being a good writer, or do it well on television. Like
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if you could just do that, you you get me. I would actually
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start watching these shows. But yeah, all it is let's just probably be
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outrageous and loud, and it's like, that's just not my my thing.
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I it is kind of sad, Like I missed the Daily Never the Sports
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or Not Sports Reports was a great TV show, and the Sun Sunday Mornings
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ESPN The Great Philly Sports Debate was a great, great show. I missed
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that. That's never gonna happen again just because guys don't people don't want to
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watch it for them. Yeah, people don't want to watch it really,
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but I would, and I know you would. But people other people,
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Oh, with other folks in general, it's not what It's not what gen
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z or is necessarily won or even maybe gen xers. At this point,
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I'm gonna sound like an old fogy here, but like I do miss two
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thousand and one grabbing the Philly Hailey News, jumping on the train and go
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to downtown and night and race and reading the back to the back sports section
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the whole drive. It's just that was awesome, Like that that will never
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be replicated. I do enjoy the new technology that all these new voices get
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get you know, get out there, like uh, Kyle what was the
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name, Kyle Newbergh Uh? Or Kyl Newbank. Yeah, john Stone is
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like guys like that would have never had a shot because one of the downsides
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of that the old days was like once Stan Hoffman got a column, he
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was there for life due Duvin Murphy was like the young up and comer.
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Yes, long time he was, remember like he was the fresh faced kid.
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I think he's probably our age, right, yes, but so you
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know, you john stonesses would never get a chance. So it's nice that
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they have that opportunity now, but I do kind of miss the old kind
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of the old guard, the old guard. Yeah, absolutely, Well,
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it's interesting we're on that subject too because I go to a marketing website just
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because what I do for a living. I go to a marketing website called
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marketing Brew. And earlier this year, Sirius XM Media Group M and Edison
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Research, they released a study that they had been doing with regard to sports
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content intake basically and so just just some interesting information from there, wanted to
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discuss really quick. Sports podcasts are the leading audio format amongst gen z forty
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two of whom said they frequently or occasionally have listened to at least one pod
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cast occasionally in the past year. Per that report, millennials listen to sports
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podcasts just as often as they listen to AMFM sports radio over the air.
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And US older generations, I can't believe we're saying that right now. At
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this point, US older generations Gen X and Baby Boomers listen to AMFM sports
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radio over the air or via online streams more often than podcasts. So we
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know where things are going here. We know where things are going with the
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younger generation. Look when I said I missed the old times at the newspaper
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on the train, I don't miss the terrestrial radio days at all. Like
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I mean, back in the day when like Stern was on and Op and
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Anthony, like I was, I was big into that. We loved them,
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Yes, we'd loved it. But like just the other day, I
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was in my car, I got rid of series in my car, I
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didn't have my phone for what a reason, and so I actually listened to
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FM radio and there was this our local rock station. The morning show was
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the one, the same, It was the same one. I was just
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shocked and I was like, oh my god, they're doing the same fucking
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show that they've been doing for twenty some years. I can't it's like this
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still exists, like people still listen. They must listen, because why would
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these people still have jobs? Yeah? Right, but yeah, I actually
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don't miss that because I didn't like it back then. It's really bad now.
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So do you think obviously with the status and the information that I just
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read from that study, I mean, it just goes to show that older
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folks are just that much more resistant to change. They're resistant to change.
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Younger generations more apt to trying out new things of course, And as we
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know pod I mean podcasts right now, even though we've been doing this for
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a long time, and even though podcasts started a lot longer, uh we
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than when we started. I mean, the podcasts have been going on probably
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for twenty years at this point. I probably should know that on the top
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of my head, but twenty twenty five years basically at this point. Yeah,
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I think I think Mayor, I think Mayor is one of the first
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ones to really popularize it. I think it's first. It was like two
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thousand and seven maybe something like that. Okay, So I mean he's getting
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he's getting up there for sure, and it's just amazing how we you know,
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as as we get older, you know, we're a little more resistant
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to change, you know. The younger generations are like, yeah, you
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know, we're going to try new things out here or there. Yeah.
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I think you and I are different though, like we don't. I don't
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think we represent most forty seven year olds. I agree, Yes, yeah,
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we like tech, we like to like The podcast thing like was immediate
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for me. I was like, oh my god, I love this.
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Yeah, like I don't have to listen to some dumb shit on the radio.
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That was just awesome. But I yeah, I listened to podcasts a
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lot. But again, it's only like five or six, I swear it,
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and I do try different ones, I think. I no, no,
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I okay, here's a weird thing though. My kids now they're you
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know, only eleven and seventeen. They don't listen to podcasts at all.
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So like, yeah, my kid doesn't think Yeah, so like is the
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podcast going to die in like ten years or like is some kind of YouTube
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sort of thing going to take awa? You know what I'm saying, Like,
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oh no, please just know my daughter has never even spoken about a
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podcast. You didn't care less. I know she's seventeen, Like she's in
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that gens whatever you call it, but I don't know, like, like,
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is this is this going to be a dying form of communication? That's
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a great question. It's a great question right here, probably probably, which
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means we may have to we may have to uh twist Land's arm and yeah,
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start doing some video here. I will say this. I will say
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this. There is something to be said for for content, the enjoy that
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is so good. And I wanted to mention this a little earlier. I
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actually do subscribe to a podcast where I pay a nine dollars and ninety nine
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cent monthly fee to get no ads and also to get other special podcasts that
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they do that are very interesting to me. And yes, this is a
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political podcast and they I'm also in a discord a special discord thing with folks
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as well, where you can interact with the guests of the podcast. And
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it's fantastic. I love it. It is great. I have a special
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feed that I have gotten where I get no ads at all, no annoying
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freaking reads from them. It's fantastic. And the actual dude they do,
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I may be given the podcast away when I say this. They do once
20:48
a week a show that's just for subscribers called terminally online, and they talk
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about how they were terminally online that week, like going down rabbit holes of
20:59
different times topics and different subject matters, and it is absolutely fascinating And I
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love paying my close to ten bucks a month for this for this particular service.
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We got to figure that out. We got to figure that out and
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get at least like ten people. I hopes. I've never paid for a
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podcast. Yeah, I'm actually paying for this, and I'm actually I'm enjoying
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and I don't mind. I really don't. I'm enjoying the content I actually
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need, you know what. I think. I actually subscribed to Marin at
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one point because you could get as older ones. I think, okay,
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but now with YouTube, they're all everything's all over the place. You have
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to but I don't know, I just it was a weird thought. I'm
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like my own kids, and like, even like my kids friends, they've
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when I say what I do a podcast, like some of them are like,
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oh cool, some are like like what does that even mean? Like
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they don't even like they don't even know what it means. That means our
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parents are old and just listen to AMFM radio that's what means. Or they
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just watch YouTube shorts. Yeah, exactly, exactly. If it's not a
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live stream, they don't know what the hell it even means what it is.
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Yep. All right, well, folks, we're gonna take a quick
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break here. I'd love to know what you're thinking about in terms of the
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sports media landscape and where it's trending. Shoot us off an email, Philadelphia
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Sports Table at gmail dot com. We'd love to read your email here on
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the show and respond to it. We're gonna take quick break to pay some
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bills. We'll be back in just a bit. All right, We are
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back, and we've got a new top three list that we're gonna get into
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this week again. Folks. Like I said, we're not really talking sports
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at all on this particular podcast episode, as I am on vacation right now
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again a time warp here. Whoa the top three vacation spots that we have
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ever been to? Eric, I like, when you get these started off
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our top three lists, So what's your number three? Okay, my first
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one is not flashy at all. Okay, it's probably a dump, you
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know, but in my my little key brain, I thought it was pretty
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awesome. Dutch underlined, No, the oak Creek Campground is here in Pennsylvania.
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It's it's in Narvon, Pennsylvania, which is down near like Bowmansdale.
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Yeah, I was only there. I was there twice. When I was
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a kid. We we first moved here to Pennsylvania from California. We always
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went camping out in uh like near San Francisco and stuff. It was awesome.
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I love doing that. And we my parents found a spot here and
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it's not it's not flashy, but it had a huge pool. I had
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a huge arcade, and it was just it was very much like a like
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the Great Outdoors kind of kind of thing. Like it was just it was
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like all in one kind of thing, and there were kids and you just
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kind of hung out with other other kids that were there, and it reminded
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me of like meatballs and that kind of thing. And I just have really
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good memories of it because parents didn't have a ton of money at that time
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and it was real cheap kind of camping situation, but really good memories,
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you know. And just again, like we talked about that time, it's
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never going to come back, like those spots aren't, like because I looked
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it up and now it's like a water Park, and back then it was
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like you just kind of hung out for a week. You didn't really,
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you know. I spent a lot of time playing karate champ in New York
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and actually had my first kiss oh yes, in fifth grade ooh with the
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old campground. All right, yeah, nice. I don't remember her name,
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but thank you, whoever you were. Thanks. I think a lot
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of us families did that. Who didn't all have all the money in the
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world. Growing up, it was camping. I was talking to my wife
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about it a few nights ago. Where you know, we started off.
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We had a twelve x twelve tent. We camped all throughout the Adirondacks in
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New York. And then at one point, I don't know when my when
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my parents were still together, they decided we were just going to go up
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and down the East Coast from Maine all the way to Florida. Every summer
24:56
we were going to go camping. At least two or three times. We
24:59
drive down to the Tennessee Smoky Mountains. We were in North Carolina, South
25:03
Carolina. We've camped. We were camping up in Maine, New Hampshire,
25:07
and uh, we didn't have all the money in the world. Like that's
25:10
what you did, you know, and you're in a tent. But unfortunately,
25:14
my parents they just were just like, Okay, we're here, we're
25:17
camping. That's it. It's like what do I do? Although my dad
25:22
taught me how to play chess while we were camping when I was probably I
25:26
was probably like twelve or something, and he finally he taught me how to
25:29
play chess, and I remember that was a good memory of like learning how
25:33
to play chess and and what that meant to my dad and I as I
25:36
was growing up. And uh yeah, it was a it was just camping
25:40
was just all right, we're here, what are we gonna do? You
25:44
remember my cheap oss fishing rode. I fished all day long? Yeah,
25:48
my dad, that's where I learned how to put a you know, worm
25:51
on a hook. Yeah, you know, I was afraid to do it,
25:53
and you know, my dad finally, damn work, you can do
25:56
it, like you know, yeah, And and you're right. I remember
26:00
the way the tents smelled, Yes, like it was. It was tense.
26:04
Now it's absurd, but they are like they're like luxury. I was
26:07
just gonna say luxury tents. Yeah, like my my dad's. Our tent
26:11
was like army Army issued. It's it was musty. You could smell the
26:17
must like a canvas, like a canvas, and it might it might have
26:21
been used in a war at some point, but I mean it was it
26:23
was not comfortable at all. But we're also looking there for the week and
26:26
it's a good memory. And that was what like O Creek Campground Number three,
26:30
all right, very good. Number three for me has got to be.
26:34
It's my in laws took our family and then my wife's family or my
26:41
wife's brother's family on a fiftieth wedding anniversary vacation and it was a Disney cruise
26:48
and it was it was just it was fucking awesome. It was incredible.
26:52
It was Western Caribbean. We started out down outside of Orlando. It was
26:56
actually, uh the Cape canaveral Ara where we left. We went down to
27:00
Cosmo, Mexico, went to Jamaica, Cayman Islands, Castaway Key, which
27:06
is Disney's own private island. It was it was just, it was just
27:10
incredible. It was an incredible week of a Disney cruise. My kids will
27:14
always remember it. But getting the chance to see that area of the world
27:18
when I had never seen it before. When I'm going down some some river
27:22
in a raft in Jamaica, and I'm like, am I gonna die here?
27:29
You know? The waves were a little little rough at times, and
27:32
I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm a bigger guy here, I'm gonna
27:34
fall out of this. I'm gonna fall out of this fucking raft here.
27:37
And oh boy, I'm a little concerned. And the guy in charged the
27:41
raft by high as ship on Ganja and like not really paying attention. Oh,
27:45
I mean he can't. He kept singing Bob Marley songs as we're going
27:48
down the river. Meanwhile, meanwhile, my kids are just scared of spiders
27:53
and bugs at that point, and we're in Jamaica going down there's spiders and
27:57
bugs everywhere. But it was overall a great trip. Cayman Islands, we
28:02
went out to this We went out to this sand barge area where it was
28:07
just a sting rays everywhere and you know, you could you know, you
28:11
can pet them and stuff like that. It was in the middle of the
28:12
ocean. That was one of the most incredible experiences ever. Swimming with sharks
28:18
too. We actually did that. It was a fantastic vacation. So yeah,
28:22
you know you don't like the sharks. Huh No, sharks and roller
28:26
coasters, man, those are my three and snakes. Yeah, I can't.
28:30
I can't. I can't. I can't do them. So even roller
28:33
coasters. I didn't know that about you. Oh it's horrible. Yeah,
28:37
why would I risk my life or something so stupid? That's what I always
28:41
think. I want one. I wanted the super Duper Looper one in like
28:48
nineteen ninety. Did you feel it? Sorry? My watch just asked me
28:55
the dog eight. Yeah, I didn't know what happened for a second.
29:02
Yeah, I don't know. I've always I did the Super Ticer Looper and
29:03
I was like, that was horrible. Never doing that again. I've never
29:07
been on one since. So all right, well number three is my Disney
29:11
cruise. What's your number two? Number two would definitely be back in you
29:19
know, two thousand and six, me, my wife, uncle Len,
29:23
and uh and my wife's brother we went to UH, Amsterdam and Brussels for
29:29
a week. Yeah, and that was the first trip to Europe. Flew
29:33
out of Philadelphia in the Paris. The flight there, we just Lenn and
29:37
I just drank and ate the whole time. Why didn't I go on the
29:41
Oh I couldn't afford it, that's right. Yeah, I think Dave too,
29:45
he couldn't afford to. Yes, we threw it out there. Yeah
29:49
yeah, we drank and ate the whole flight. It was an overnight flight.
29:53
We landed, couldn't check into our spot and just kept drinking. Yep.
30:00
So first day there was interesting. Uh we we we did partake and
30:03
the uh you know the shops that are there, and you know it was
30:07
legal too. I've heard there are a few shops here and there with some
30:11
things. Yeah, there's a pretty famous story of me and what happened,
30:15
but I'm not gonna tell her on the show. Oh Len, I love
30:19
that story. Yeah, yeah, that's another one. But uh yeah,
30:23
but no, but answered like sure, Amsterdam in the Red Light District and
30:27
that's that whole thing in the party scene. Is it is really fun.
30:30
I will say the Red Light District after like winter or twice being there,
30:36
you kind of start to get skived out a little gross. At eleven o'clock
30:38
at night, just perverts water. It's kind of disgusting, but like really
30:45
experienced, like not just we went to Anne frank House and that was mind
30:48
blowing. Yeah, we went to the ricks Chot Museum when we saw Rembrandts
30:52
up close. It was his foreigner birthday that year. It was it was
30:55
really cool, really really cool city. I would love to go back.
30:57
And then we hopped on the hopped on a train and went and took it
31:00
to Brussels and like a European train. And Brussels was amazing too, the
31:06
Grand Plas and like we met all these Flemish people that speak German and French
31:11
and talk to them about like really nice open people, like tell you they'll
31:14
they'll tell you about their culture, like they'll just sit there. I went
31:17
to a sports bar and to this day it's the wildest sports bar scene I've
31:21
ever in my life. And it was a cricket match and it was all
31:26
it was all Middle Eastern and Indian men and they were screaming and yelling,
31:30
the beer flying everywhere at a cricket match and I was like, holy shit,
31:33
they put us to shame. Man. It must have been a huge
31:37
one because the place was packed. They all had jerseys on and stuff,
31:41
and I'm like, I don't even understand the sport flying around. I mean
31:45
there was like literally like if something happened like put their hands up and beer
31:48
go flying out the bottom. Yeah, And I was like, I've never
31:52
seen anything like this is like it was just such a cool like like I'm
31:56
never going to experience this again, like this is once in a lifetime.
32:00
There was at one point we're walking through Brussels and we're just hearing boom bong
32:02
bong bong music. We turned the corner and there's a gay pride parade just
32:07
going down the street, all right, and and just out of nowhere like
32:13
it It's like, was this on the agenda? Like how did it like
32:16
walking in? Because it wasn't like a small one. It was like like
32:19
a New York City style kind of it was. It was massive, Yeah,
32:22
and just just just a blast. Len got pickpocketed there and Brussels.
32:25
Oh that's right, yes, of course. Yes. Some guy walked up
32:32
behind him and put his arm around him and was trying to dance with him
32:36
like and then apparently apparently as he was doing it, he put his hand
32:39
down Len's pocket and ripped out like thirty year old Well, because Len's got
32:44
that huge remember you used to have that huge wallet that he used to carry
32:46
around with him. It's it's like a mark. It was like a mark
32:50
on him. Here come pick. No, No, he had a he
32:52
had a money belt on. He didn't know he did. Oh okay,
32:55
but he kept some money in his pocket just in case, and the guy
32:58
slipped it out. And then the guy broke a bottle when Len like try
33:04
to like get it back, and Len just goes, give me my money
33:07
back. It was so funny, but we laughed about it like he wouldn't.
33:16
Actually, I like about thirty minutes we went to a bar hung out
33:21
and he was just all red face and just staring straight ahead. And finally
33:22
I was like, all right, can me laugh about that? But just
33:28
this is a very very memorable trip. It was a lot of stuff happened,
33:30
and that those two cities are just awesome. They it was really hard
33:37
to find a city any cities in America that are that are like that.
33:39
We got to get over there, I've told Michelle, we gotta we got
33:42
to get over there. At some point. I don't know if we'll take
33:44
the twins anytime soon with us over there, but still it's it's your stories
33:50
and even and Len's stories too, makes me want to go over there.
33:52
For sure for me number two, Buddy, and I'm sad that you are
33:57
not a part of it. But it was. It was bad. Yeah,
34:00
it was back before the twins were born. Len, our buddy Dave,
34:06
and myself we went on a Midwest road trip. We leave Pennsylvania,
34:09
We drive down to Knoxville and had just a fantastic time in Knoxville for a
34:15
night. From Knoxville, we went to Memphis. From Memphis, we went
34:20
to Kansas City. After Kansas City and day and our buddy Dave, his
34:22
dad lives out in Kansas City, so we got to stay with his dad
34:27
and his step mom out there. Enjoyed some Kansas City barbecue. We enjoyed
34:32
some Memphis barbecue when we were there as well. Went to Rendezvous which is
34:37
which is just oh my god, what a great, great place. I
34:40
still have the Rendezvous seasoning you guys brought back for me. Yeah they've gone
34:45
there. Yeah I still had upstairs. That's awesome. Michelle and I we
34:49
actually get that all the time for like our burghers and stuff when we're grilling.
34:52
It's so good. And the barbecue sauce we order it. She gets
34:54
it for me for Christmas. I'm like oh, I opened up barbecue soft
34:58
like, yeah, Rendezvous, Yeah, hey food, I'm fat so I
35:02
h After Kansas City, we then drive to Chicago, had a couple of
35:07
nights there. From Chicago, we went to Cleveland. Then we ended the
35:10
journey at Penn State, you know, where all of us went to college
35:15
and stuff. But man, that Midwest road trip was fantastic. Once we
35:20
did get to State College, I think Dave lenn and I were a little
35:22
sick of each other at that point after about a week and a half in
35:28
a car just going to basically, you know, halfway across the country.
35:31
So it was just a great trip, a lot of great experiences. Memphis
35:36
was just fantastic. I mean and all I was. I got so loaded
35:39
the one night and I went out on Beal Street just listening to some fantastic
35:44
blues music and some jazz music, and like I was the only white guy
35:47
out there too. It was fantastic. It was great. It was great.
35:52
People they're probably like, what the hell is this guy doing out here
35:55
right now? Where's he from? Now? It's a pretty common That was
36:01
a pretty big touristy kind of spots national in Memphis. Yeah, and that
36:06
was the Classic. I was the first one on our friend group to have
36:09
a kid. Yeah, and I couldn't make the trip because you know,
36:13
sil was like a year and a half old. Yeah, yeah, And
36:15
it was one of those like you couldn't do this before Silva well, because
36:22
Michelle and I were trying for a kid at that point and she was like,
36:25
yeah, you gotta get this done, you gotta get this done,
36:28
this trip done before we have a kid, and we ended up having two
36:31
at the same time. But I think with that trip Eric Sun Studios in
36:37
Memphis, I mean where Johnny Cash, Roy Orbison, you know, and
36:42
Elvis where they recorded so much amazing music. I mean stuff that we like,
36:50
being able to stand in that room where Roy Orbison was recording like pretty
36:55
Woman, just just the catalog from John Cash as well. My gosh,
37:01
it's just it was. It was being somebody who was into music. It
37:05
was so wonderful to be there in Chicago. It's where I saw Chicago for
37:07
the first time. Just a fantastic city. We went to a Cubs game,
37:12
it was great. When we were in Kansas City, we went to
37:14
a Royals game. It was it was, it was, it was,
37:17
it was. It's right up there with one of the greatest trips of my
37:20
life. Yeah, I still resent all of you for that. I've been
37:25
to Kansas City, awesome city. I spent a lot of time there with
37:29
my buddy Acid. Yeah, great, great, great town. And yeah,
37:34
I we went to the Negro We went to the Negro League Museum and
37:37
it was it was fantastic. Yeah, but it's funny. I've taken a
37:42
long car car rides with with my buddies macro Jay and and and the whole
37:46
Simp and Westy and you're the first man. The first day is awesome,
37:52
and then that secondary like you know, not a full week and a half,
37:55
like a kind of stinks, Like what the hell? Yeah? Yeah,
38:00
Like I said, when we got to State college, we just went
38:01
our separate ways, like you know your friends, but you don't really know
38:07
your friends. And yeah, I spent a lot of time with him.
38:07
You're like, I don't like to think about him, actually exactly. I
38:10
mean I think I was what thirty two maybe at that point, thirty two
38:15
or thirty three I think. And I'm telling you, when I got to
38:17
Penn State, that was the first time, the first time going back to
38:21
our college that we went to Eric where I felt old because I went to
38:23
the Dark Horse and I went downstairs and oh my god, everybody was looking
38:30
at me like what are you doing here? Like an old man? What
38:32
are you doing? You're in your early thirties. Why are you here?
38:37
And I was just like, oh my gosh, now I'm old. Now.
38:40
I made a trip to Stay called last summer and there are plenty of
38:44
students still there, like taking summer classes, and I was like, holy
38:47
shit, they look like eleven years with my son's age. Yes, all
38:54
right, buddy, Well what's your number one? What's your number one?
38:57
You know, top vacation spot that you've ever been to? You know,
39:00
I was going to go, not exotic, but like kind of different.
39:05
I've been in New Orleans a whole bunch. I love that. It's probably
39:07
the closest Amsterdam you're going to get in this country. Yeah, Montreal was
39:10
incredible, but uh maybe it was sentimental again Ocean seen New Jersey. Oh
39:16
yeah, yeah, it's just it's such a great it's such a great town.
39:22
It lot like lots and lots of good memories of going with Sarah's family
39:27
for years and years and years, and uh, it's a dry town.
39:30
It's a whole thing. And I remember going there in my early late twenties
39:35
early thirties and just being like, well, not late early, but in
39:37
my twenties just being like stupid's new bores, you're right, But then when
39:44
you have a family you go there, you're like, oh, yeah,
39:45
it's kind of nice, like I can get my own booze, I don't
39:47
have to, like yeah, it's actually kind of quiet, and when you
39:52
get older, it's I don't know, it's just a really it's just a
39:54
really good family town, but not but not lame, you know what I
39:59
mean, Like it's not but just it just kind of a perfect setup.
40:02
Like every time we went down, it was always like the same thing would
40:06
happen, Like the first night you hit up the boardwalk and you'd always get
40:09
Mac and Maco. It's now it's makeing on manco. I think pizza some
40:13
of the best pizza ever had my life. Yeah, and just being around
40:16
being around uh Sarah's family just I really enjoyed, Like it just it was
40:22
like memories of family vacations I never had, you know, the camping ones
40:28
were fun, you know, but like it was like and I would love
40:30
to just spend a time with her grandpa Pep, and we talk about baseball,
40:36
we'd have we'd always drink Yngling's the first night together, and like just
40:39
just kind of he would tell me about old the old days, the fifties
40:43
and sixties and stuff, and there was always that one day would rain,
40:45
so you just kind of hang out and I was sitting in the front porch
40:47
and read a book, have some bourbon, smoke a cigar, just so
40:51
relaxing. And the town itselfish is it's just perfect. The boardwalk's perfect.
40:55
And I hadn't been hadn't been there in a while, but uh, again,
41:00
like just a place that like really meant something different every time I went
41:04
down there, Like twenties, you're just like, Wh're gonna go to a
41:08
bar, get crazy, like city Maryland, and then you know you start
41:13
to ease into it. You have a kid, and you're just like this
41:14
place is fucking great, Like it's just yeah, it has everything I need
41:17
and yeah, yeah, I think what you're talking about more is just the
41:20
connection of the people you were with. You know, it wasn't necessarily about
41:23
excursions or Okay, this was, like I was saying, like with the
41:28
Disney, Chris, like, are swimming with sharks and sting rays and all
41:30
that crap and doing you know, we were swimming with dolphins too. It's
41:34
not that the excursions weren't fun or anything like that. But what you're talking
41:37
about with Ocean City, New Jersey, it's just the connections, the connectivity,
41:40
the relaxing and connectivity with family at the end of the day. I
41:44
mean, that's kind of that's that's kind of what it's all about, you
41:45
know, when it comes to vacations, Yeah, because I've done those vacations
41:50
where you swam with sharks and shit. Yeah, and then you then you
41:52
need a vacation from that vacation. Yes, Whereas whereas the OCENJ thing was
41:58
like just relaxing, I would get home and be like, I'm good,
42:00
I'm ready to go back to work, like fully refreshed kind of deal.
42:04
Yep, and just and you know, specifically did the show. It is
42:08
such a Philadelphia sports town too, Like everybody down there likes the Phillies and
42:14
that's usually you know, in the summertime, that's the only team that is
42:16
playing. And it's Eagles flags everywhere, flyers everywhere. It is very specific
42:22
Philadelphia. There is no other team represented. Some New Yorker jerk offs are
42:27
there with the Yankee stuff, but for the most part, it's all Philadelphia
42:30
sports. I like that aspect of it too. All right, Well,
42:34
as we're finishing up this segment, here my number one and yeah, you
42:37
know what I'm gonna go with the where we had a lot of excursions and
42:40
stuff like that, but it's my honeymoon. When Michelle and I we went
42:44
to Hawaii, we did four days in Honolulu and then we had a seven
42:47
day cruise around the islands. It was a gift that her grandmother gave to
42:52
us. That was our wedding gift from her, and it was it was
42:55
It was the best trip I've ever taken in my life because one we had
42:59
the real relaxation stuff, the connectivity stuff. With those four days in Honolulu.
43:04
We were in a hotel right off Waikiki Beach, so we would just
43:07
I mean, I think we were on like the freaking twentieth floor. It
43:10
was a beautiful view. You go down across the street, you go down
43:15
to the elevators, you cross the street and you're right there at Waikiki Beach,
43:19
and it was just it was just such a fantastic time me being a
43:22
beat not being a beach person. As we mentioned earlier, I loved it.
43:25
The water was nice and warm and it was clear. It was like
43:29
actually clear blue. And after those four days of relaxation, then we were
43:35
on the cruise. Then we had the excursions, whether we were you know,
43:37
we were mudbugging. We went we actually rode our bikes down a volcano.
43:43
It was like miles and miles where you just like you didn't have to
43:46
pedal, You're just going down, like going down the volcano. It was
43:50
great. It was fantastic and just a lot of great memories. And I
43:55
remember her grandmother also picked up the bar tab too from the cruise ship,
44:00
which was about two thousand bucks, probably because on a cruise they can yeah
44:07
this margerity is twenty bucks. What are you gonna do? Yeah exactly.
44:12
The cruise around the islands was great. Maui was fantastic, just the whole
44:19
thing. The whole thing was great. So that's my number one. Well,
44:22
and the best vacations are the ones that somebody else paid for, that's
44:25
for sure. Absolutely, yes, like the Disney Yeah, we went to
44:30
Montreal my honeymoon and my parents paid for our room and it was pretty much
44:37
like that was pretty much like all they paid for. But that was good
44:39
enough. Yeah. They were like, here's a credit card, pick out
44:42
the nicest place you want. And it was like hell yeah yeah, but
44:45
yeah, no, I've never been. I think the only downside is getting
44:49
there. That's a long flight, right, it was rough. It was
44:52
rough. It was like, yeah, I think it was like fourteen or
44:54
sixteen hours something like that. Yeah, it was really tough. It's like
44:59
it's like three I think it's like four to five hours from California, yeah,
45:01
or three hours something like that. It's pretty far. It's very far.
45:05
Yeah. Well it's a good discussion, very much. You got anything
45:07
else, buddy, before we head to a quick break here, it was
45:10
white part of the United States. I still don't understand it. Well we
45:14
we Well, it's weird, right. They made some decisions back in the
45:19
day with Alaska and Hawaii. Oh they did, Yeah, yes they did.
45:23
It's just one of those things that you think about every now and again,
45:25
like how are those It's like another country to get there, but it's
45:30
actually the United States. Yeah. After World War Two, they're like we're
45:34
taking this we're taking this area back. Yeah. Honestly, Pearl Harbor was
45:37
fantastic too. I mean, I know I keep using the word fantastic,
45:39
I do it all the time, but Pearl Harbor being there, looking at
45:45
those ships that were there in the harbor, it was one of the most
45:49
magnificent and just historically impactful things that I had ever seen in my life up
45:54
until that point. It's so disrespectful to our soldiers. I know. Pearl
45:59
Harbor was great. I know, I know, I know. Go let's
46:02
take a break, all right, everybody, we're gonna take a break and
46:07
we'll be back in just a bit. We're gonna get into some music talk.
46:09
Stick with us, all right, We're back here, and uh,
46:15
it's gotta some music talk here. Eric, I've been I've been having some
46:19
weird not weird stuff. I mean, I think most people know that I
46:22
enjoy metal. It's my it's my preferred genre of music to listen to.
46:25
I can listen to folk, I can listen to, believe it or not,
46:29
Yes, classical music, can listen to, grunge, can listen to
46:31
just like general rock. I don't get into country too too much. I
46:36
would say that southern rock is probably the most like quote countryish type of stuff
46:40
that I would get into. I was listening to drive by truckers this past
46:44
week actually. Uh, we were heading down to see my dad on Father's
46:49
Day added on in the car and the girls were like, Dad, why
46:51
the hell are you listening to country? I said, it's Southern rock.
46:53
Come on, d me. T is not contry. It's it's not.
47:00
It's southern rock. It's like a southern rock ish type of feel. I
47:04
mean. Patterson Hood has described it as like the ghetto country ghetto boys.
47:08
Yeah, and it's it's really is the perfect description music. It's very street
47:13
but but it's there. It's telling their story growing up in Alabama. Yeah.
47:17
And DBT is if I'm grilling, it's DBT. I don't grow to
47:22
any other music. That's the only band I'll listen to when I when I
47:25
grill. But I've really been listening to a lot of metal core music.
47:30
And if there are some metal fans out there, you may know some of
47:34
the some of these bands. Uh, there's a band called north Lane that
47:37
I've been really into. Invent Animate is another band I've been into as well.
47:45
A Red Keep is a band that I've been liking as well as Bridges
47:49
a Blaze. I mean, I'm doubting you've heard of these bands, Eric,
47:52
but like I've been diving deep into the metal core genre and it's just
47:57
it's so nerdy because, like I I've been played guitar since I was ten
48:00
years old, and it's metal, but it is really complex and extremely musical.
48:07
And I don't mean to sound snobby about that, but these guys are
48:08
doing stuff with the guitar, bass and drums where I'm like, holy shit,
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I'm like, how the hell are they doing this stuff. It's like
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it's like Steve v meeting like like kill Switch Engage. Basically that's basically what
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it is. And I've really been enjoying these type of bands recently, and
48:24
I think I'm gonna I think I'm gonna go see a metal core show at
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some point here this summer. The genre was huge when I lived in Philly,
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like early two thousands, the metal core thing like almost like some of
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the bands like almost going to like mathcore kind of kind of stuff like Sugar
48:43
Dilling Your escape Plan. They're a little heavier. I think this stuff you're
48:45
talking about, I think yeah, But musically like like just hitting the notes.
48:51
Like I it, it's incredible to watch. I don't necessarily like listening
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to it all the time. Yeah, but like I it's it's weird how
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that, like that genre was huge back then. I think it's kind of
49:04
making a comeback right now. Yeah, because I see like my Instagram feed,
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I'll see you like a metal coret band. I'm like, bamn,
49:08
is it coming back? Like it's kind of happy, kind of happy to
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see that. So I'll send you a couple I'll send you a couple of
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songs here and there. Some things I've been listening to that I that I've
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really been enjoying. I don't know if you'll like it or not, but
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I think it's evolved from the early two thousands, specifically when it comes to
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the the production and post production aspect of it, the mastering and the mix
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the mixing and mastering specifically with with how the genre is just it's transformed.
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I think a lot from them because like with Sugar, you know, they
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had they had their own they had their own set sound still, do you
49:44
know what I mean? They have their own set sound. This is this
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is different. This is different just from a a pre production and post production
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standpoint, it's a it's a little different. It's evolved a lot more.
49:57
Well, it's definitely evolved because at one point, like Hate Breed was considered
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a medal core band because they combined metal with hardcore? Were they really okay?
50:06
Oh for sure? Like early because they didn't have a description, like
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I think they're just straight up like I guess they're just kind of hard rock
50:13
now with a hardcore leader rock, Like how would you describe them though,
50:19
Like I I wouldn't call them a hardcore band because they don't really do that
50:22
anymore. But yeah, they're not a metal band, so like I'm not
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really sure like what like like they were considered metal core and then kind of
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the bands like a tray you became metal core, yeah, and I think
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like they kind of fell out of that description, so I'm not really sure
50:37
what you would even call it band like that now, I thought they I've
50:40
always I've always considered them hardcore, but then again, I I I enjoyed
50:45
their one uh their one album, Concrete Confessional, and I don't know if
50:51
that's hardcore. I think that's when things started maybe started changing for them a
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little bit, because I mean when I think hardcore, I think it's like
50:58
Strife Judge just those bands are just straight hardcore, like just like like Gorilla
51:05
Biscuits kind of deep like like those bands, to me are hardcore. And
51:07
I think Haye Priy's first record would probably be definitely hardcore. But the second
51:12
one they put out in like two thousand and one, Rebroke Nose of the
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Show. I think that that's when they were considered metal core because no one
51:19
really knew what house to describe it. Yeah. Yeah, I've been a
51:22
joy. And also I've mentioned before the band Knocked Loose. My god,
51:24
I freaking love that band. I genuinely loved that dude. All shows sold
51:30
out, sold out. They were in Philly, by the way, two
51:34
weeks ago, and I tried get I tried getting tickets like a couple months
51:38
ago, and they sold out in about two days or so. I tried
51:43
to do the resale ticket, but it was like one hundred and forty bucks
51:45
for resale, and I'm like, I'm like, I'm not gonna do it,
51:47
Like on a Monday. I'm like, I got my kids to cart
51:51
around and I'm not gonna spend one hundred and forty bucks and get my wife
51:53
mad at me for going to see Knocked Loose, right, And I gotta
51:59
say I don't like that. Yeah, I'm probably like a music snob,
52:02
but like I don't like when bands like that get that big and kind of
52:07
price out fans like you and I. Yeah, it's like I should be
52:10
able to pay twelve dollars to see a band like that and that kind of
52:13
souense. These are the resale tickets. These, these are the tickets that
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were bought, you know what I mean, Like they're they're the initial tickets
52:19
were like forty five bucks I think. But even forty five dollars for like
52:22
a a noisecore, Yeah, any any even with a core at the end.
52:27
Yeah, I should have to pay more than forty That's really a great
52:30
point, you know, I'm saying, like, yeah, that's really a
52:31
great point. What have you been listening to recently? Like what what?
52:35
What? What music avenues have you been going down? My mine's definitely a
52:40
little heavier than metalcore. I kind of lean more death metal. But there's
52:45
a band called NOL right now that k n O l L. That are
52:51
they They described their uh, they described their their sound as funeral grind Oh,
52:58
not not my grindcore, but it's really it's it's almost like black metal,
53:04
but it's not as uh, it's not as fast. It's a little
53:07
slower, right, and it's it. I kind of like it. It
53:10
could be it could be seen as pretentious, but it's really like a lot
53:15
of it's performative. The lead singer does a lot of really interesting stuff.
53:19
If you look him up on Instagram to see, like he puts his mouth
53:22
over some like a bunch of wires coming out of whatever the hell he's playing,
53:25
okay, and like it makes noises through the wire. It's really really
53:30
bizarre. But like again, like the musicianship and the artistry is just like
53:35
the music, like the guitar players just insanely good. You should definitely look
53:38
him up jeff on on Instagram. Just kind of watch yeah and here it.
53:43
Yeah, you know, you know that I love the performative stuff,
53:45
you know, I love the guy where there's different themes. I love it,
53:49
especially like the Swedish or Norwegian metal type stuff where where there's a lot
53:53
of like as Len calls it, Viking metal, it's not freaking Viking metal,
53:59
but yeah, you know I love that performative stuff. I got to
54:00
check them out. Yeah, I think you like them. They're kind of
54:04
like Primitive Man, but a little darker, more uh little like I said,
54:07
a little more like street performer kind of thing. It's it's I like
54:12
them a lot. They've been on tour, they've been like opening for bigger
54:15
death metal bands, and I think that the kind of band Like people show
54:20
up to see the Death Mode they watch NOL and they're like, what the
54:22
hell, yeah, sh like I kind of dig that. They're just like
54:25
Wow, I don't know, like I don't know how to take this in,
54:28
Like it's really intense. Nice. So some of the other like Full
54:32
of Hell is a really good band, and Relapse and necro Is is a
54:38
fantastic death metal band out of the Bay Area. They're really good. They're
54:43
straight ahead death metal. I like them a lot. But then I'm also
54:47
like, I love the kind of goth dance kind of music kind of scene,
54:52
like like the the music he made for the opening of the show,
54:54
like the new Stuffy kind of it kind of sounds like a night. Sins
55:00
is a good band. They're out of Philadelphia. The drummer for Nothing that
55:04
that's like his uh, kind of goth not like kind of goth dance kind
55:07
of group. They're really good. Uh, Spire Circle is really good.
55:12
They have kind of a death metal leanings, but it's way more. It
55:16
sounds way more like Uh that was the band Nights Are There from year I
55:23
can't remember, Like just kind of not depeche depeche Mo, but like a
55:27
lot darker, harder. I'd like to hear. I'd like to hear that.
55:30
Yeah, Spire Circle is really good. I'll send you that one of
55:34
the show. And then of course, like I'm always like an indie indie
55:37
rock guy. Uh, there's a band called Birthday Girl. It's really good.
55:40
They just put a new record out. They open up for guy to
55:44
buy voices on the last tour. Another band called OZine, which is a
55:47
little more she gaysy. Both have female singers, and that that that genre
55:52
tends to do better with with female singers. So those are kind of some
55:58
of the bands I've been listening to. You got to send me a lot
56:00
of these, seriously, a lot of these, all of them, all
56:02
of them. I think you really like this Fire Circle song. Okay,
56:07
really he only puts singles out of because he's a lone guy and his the
56:10
logo is like like a like a death or black metal band, but the
56:15
music's like just not that at all. It's kind of but it's really but
56:19
it leans really dark, Like it's what I like stuff. Yeah, that's
56:23
what I like. Seriously, Look, I love I love slow Dive now
56:28
because of you, I mean the shoegaze scene that you kind of got me
56:31
into there. I've really been enjoying it and exploring a lot of different bands.
56:36
So please please send me the stuff Slow Dive, my Bloody Valentine's any
56:44
shoegates band I'm in? Like, that's another that's another genre kind of making
56:47
a huge comeback young bands out of Brooklyn, Philly, and uh just just
56:52
like doing kind of just redoing, like updating the shoegaze thing a little noisier,
56:59
but like just the really like sort of vocals, kind of a neat
57:02
sound underneath, Like there's just the wave of noise. I like noise,
57:07
jest. I like a lot of noise. So well, we gotta go
57:12
to shows. We gotta go to more shows, buddy, and listen to
57:14
a lot more noise. I Uh, we have to, we have to,
57:17
and I can do my goth dance too. I don't care where I
57:22
said. Do I send you the link to the Psychedelic First Jesus Mary Chain?
57:25
Yes, yes, yeah, yes, let's go. We should hit
57:29
that one. You could definitely do the Gods. They're starting in Philly.
57:31
I know, I know. I love both bands. I've seen both of
57:36
them live and man, it's one of the probably should go see them because
57:39
I'm not sure if they're ever gonna tour again. Like, we gotta do
57:44
it because we're getting old too, I know. And that's the kind of
57:49
show you and I would fit in. We probably like right in the middle
57:52
of the age group, right right, you know, yeah, all right,
57:55
very good. Well I think that's going to do it for us.
57:59
Here. Do you have anything else, buddy? Before we before we head
58:01
out, I know, have a good vie. I was gonna say,
58:06
I have a good vacation, but you're on vacation right now. I'm on
58:07
vacation. I'm on vacation, folks. We we What about Bob is a
58:15
huge part of our friendship. And my kids love the movie too, thank
58:22
god. Yeah, so do mine. We discovered we just got it early
58:24
on that you and I both love that movie and bonded over quite a bit.
58:28
Yeah, and I'm not sure if I ever met any one of the
58:30
loves that movie as much as you do and I do. It's just it's
58:32
such a great movie. I still screw around with my with my daughters when
58:37
when they're still screwing this drives me crazy. When I am pulling up into
58:42
our driveway, I get out of the car and they're still in the back,
58:45
like texting their friend or something like that. I'll do the what about
58:47
Bob the Dreyfuss I walk around. I'm like, got I do that to
58:54
the twins at least once a week. If you ever read about that movie
58:59
or her hair listening to a podcasting those two guys, and it made the
59:04
movie that much better. Yes, it was actually required to make. That
59:07
would be good. And the more I watch it drive us his wife.
59:15
Yes, it's so much better. The more you watch that movie, Yeah,
59:19
because she's so calm. Yes, and she represents like what he's supposed
59:22
to be. Again, my thirtieth feeling, I have to notice different things
59:25
and I'm like, oh my god, she might be the star of the
59:28
movie. She's so good. Leo Marvin, such a great movie yes,
59:37
all right, folks, So that's gonna do it for us. Uh.
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