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A Catholic Case for Choosing Your Own Pronouns · The Slippery Slope

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Or Jeff Allen. Thanks for listening to the
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slippery slope there. Listen, I was reading through
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this article mainly because I that first, I thought it might
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have. Well, he claims to be kind of
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with a Christian base. Its Catholic thought, isn't it
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weird reading through it? Isn't it weird how we use
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religion? And we use scripture.
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When I say we I'm talking about the broader, our society now
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likes to use like to use scripture and religion.
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Well, like to twist it rather to back up their own moral or
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immoral arguments immoral thoughts their beliefs that they
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are able to live an immoral or a sinful life.
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And now use we like to use religious and scriptural
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arguments to back up. And we Sting the truth, twisting
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scripture twisting. Twisting words, twisting the
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meaning of words to backup your own arguments.
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This is where our society is that at the moment.
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And if you, if you can get around and think that these
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things aren't important, like always hear this argument,
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always read this argument and, and people will say, well what
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does it, what does it matter? What does it matter to you?
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If this person wants to be known by this of this person wants to
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be called this, what does it matter to you?
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If this person wants to To believe that they are
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transgender wants to live their life as a woman when they're
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actually a man or vice versa live their life as a man, when
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they're born a woman. What does it matter?
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What? What harm, what harm are they
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doing? But this is the slippery slope
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that Society finds itself on. WE continually allow or accept
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these things and continually make exceptions make excuses.
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And then we find ourselves on the slippery slope where we are
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always making these excuses and saying, well that's that person.
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What does it matter? What harm are they doing?
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But to the broader Society, they're doing a lot of harm
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reading through this argument. The amount of harm that this
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argument would do if you would read it as someone who is not a
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Christian and no understanding what Catholicism is and think,
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well, this is the, the broader. Christian perspective on things.
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And it is then twisting twisting the Bible.
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So listen, let's go through this article together and would love
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it. If you let me know what you
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think about the way our society now, twists scripture to support
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their own argument for things. So this article comes from
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Outreach which is an lgbtq Catholic resource.
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So I'm not going to read the whole lot, but the cat, the
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headline, says a Catholic case for choosing your own pronouns.
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So this is written. Written fairly recently,
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actually, so April 20, 23 blue came out.
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So in recent months, a number of Catholic Bishops in the US have
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spoke spoken out against transgender and non-binary
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people's decision to alter their pronouns names and bodies, some
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have even insisted that the Catholics Catholic schools must
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continue to use the birth pronouns and name of transgender
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and non-binary students in their schools.
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Despite the pain, melt the talk about an exaggeration because
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it's not actually pain. They've, anyway, despite the
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pain that non-binary and transgender people have
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expressed over this practice. So, straight off the bat.
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They are trying to tell us that there is such a thing as
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non-binary non-binary, people, non-binary is not, it's not a
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fact, you can't be six, gender is binary, there are only two,
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all it is. Is means to be binary.
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Is that there? There are two, there are two,
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there is only one. There is so there's only male or
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there is female. You don't get a choice, okay?
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You can you can have what, you know, you can change the
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outside. Change the facade.
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Make yourself look like like the opposite sex, but there is
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still, you're still at the core at the core of yourself.
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The core of your physiology, you are still what you're born, as
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your chromosomes will tell you that you are either male or
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female and sex is binary. So there's just no such thing as
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non-binary. Anyway, continuing on the
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arguments of these Bishops, and others have been built on caught
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Catholic, moral teachings, and interpretations of scriptures.
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And I would say it's built on Bishops, who actually read the
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Bible and maybe have a little bit.
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A modicum of an understanding of what the word of God says.
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This article goes on to say, I wondered whether there's another
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theological case that can be made in favor of the decision by
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transgender and non-binary people to alter.
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Are pronouns and names. So she's reached out the Riders
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reached out to three theologians.
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Okay, one of them is Father, James Keenan, SJ at Boston
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College. Another is Gina hens, Piazza
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PhD, scripture scholar of the Jesuit School of Theology in
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Berkeley Calif, and any Selleck PhD and an ecclesiology just at
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Georgetown University in Washington DC.
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In each case I asked them whether they Thought it Catholic
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theological case could be made for the acceptance of a person's
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Etude pronouns and name from the standpoint of their own
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discipline. Here's what they had to say.
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So, this Father James Keenan, there's he's the title of his
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section. The moral requirement of
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accepting agency, he says, I don't understand the problem.
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This is what? Father Keenan he tells me as we
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begin our conversation. People may think I'm naive, but
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it just strikes me that I don't call somebody and names.
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They don't want to be called. I note the argument named made
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by some that what is at issue is the truth of who those
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individuals are. I've got to say I would agree
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with that. That is what that's what's at
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the heart of the argument. Really is, what is the truth or
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what the person is he responds with its their truth though.
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That's what we're talking about there truth.
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How does the bishop have more capability of grasping other
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people's truth than they themselves?
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Do, there's something deeply disturbing about claiming you
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understand. Stand a person's truth better
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than they do. Stop right there.
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This this this narrative that people want to take, you know,
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shaping the story like, well, it's The truth.
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But it's not the actual truth. I remember a job that I went to
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when I was in the place, you know, will call to this will
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call to this this incident and this young fella tried to kill
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an older guy. Now, the young fellows living
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in, the older guys house there were up living up in the old
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called the Jungle jungle area. It's very, very isolated.
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We got called there at some ridiculous on the morning like
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2:00 in the morning. 3:00 in the morning, something like that.
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We get called up there. Around the junk.
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Once a jungle, I'm not exaggerating.
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It was Jungle, we get called up there, this young fella.
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He was drugged affected now. He had, I would say, if I
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remember this correctly, he had participated in some kind of
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long-term long-term drug use on a boat, I think maybe months
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earlier. Okay, and he'd done some serious
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drug. Use the issue is You know, if
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you're going to, if you can use all these chemicals on your
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brain, it's going to come back and haunt you from time to time
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because of the really hardcore drugs that he's used earlier on
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in his life. A couple of months earlier for
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prolonged amount of time. It's triggered something else in
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him, he is tripped out, he has started to hallucinate and then
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because of this loosen, loosener hallucinating is then tried to
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kill the old man. He is seeing a lot of other
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people that just simply weren't there.
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He thought he was surrounded. He thought his life was in
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danger. He thought the old man was going
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to kill him and going to sexually attack him and so he
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has picked up a I think was a hammer, a really hard, big
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hammer actually and he very nearly killed the old man.
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Smacked him on the head, get him a good one.
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Anyway, the old man has managed to talk him around.
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Talk him down. Down calm things down, bring him
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back to a sense of reality and assure him that his life, isn't
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in danger that he isn't about to be attacked.
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That there aren't a big group of people out there going to attack
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him. Calm him down called the police.
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Therefore we have, we been called up there.
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So at a roughly you think 4:00 in the morning, something like
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that, we get there. I rest the young fella, we get
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the a version of the story from the old man.
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It seems like. Then we found out that this
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young polish participate in a lot of drugs, probably some
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months earlier on this is It's Gone on to continually affect
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him and that's why it seemed like, you know, they've been
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doing some other things and And is triggered something.
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He's mine. On that night, you could say
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that this young followers truth, his perception of Truth was that
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his life was in danger and that he was protecting himself.
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The problem is it wasn't the truth, his life.
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He was not surrounded by a large group of people throughout who
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he thought were outside the house, trying to break in and
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the old man was not in cahoots with this large group of people.
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Legendary people at side. And he was not trying to kill
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the young followers as well. That just wasn't happening.
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All these people weren't there. The, the truth was that he was
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very safe. He was not about to be killed,
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that was the truth and when I hear people making these
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arguments about, like, what this so-called father says, you know,
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it's their truth. That's what we're talking about
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there. Truth there is a big difference
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about the actual truth and their truth further on down the
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sergeants article says, I wonder what keen and makes of the
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decision by some Bishops to frame, transgender persons
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decisions as indicative of Mental Health crisis, rather
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than a legitimate desire, this this is the other thing.
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It is a mental health crisis. You can't how do you frame this
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argument and it brings us argument up and say Well it it's
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not Not a mental health issue for me for someone to stand up.
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And we seen a lot of cases like this at the moment I have just
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recently where someone will stand up and say no, no, I
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identify as a woman and you're looking at them going.
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You obviously, obviously are a man like obviously and to make
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it to make it even worse. You have these blokes stand up,
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say I identify as women, they've had no surgery at all.
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They don't take But don't take any tablets that.
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I'm take hormone replacement therapy medication, they don't
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get any kind of any kind of surgeries done.
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It's just, no, no identify as a woman and then we're all
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supposed to accept that, but that is not the reality and even
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if they say, well, that's their reality.
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It is very, very likely that it is the mental health issue.
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You don't have to accept something just because someone
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tells you that's their truth. And the way that he twists
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everything around, I'm going to get into the next our so-called
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expert here. So this this section of the
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story, the article is titled, the inmost self.
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This is Gina hands, Piazza, PhD. So she's an expert.
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So, she starts off saying in consideration, and considering
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the question of self-identification the
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scripture scholar Gina hens, Piazza begins with some 139,
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Psalm 139 1316. I immediately thought, well,
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maybe this person is going to have a great biblical basis for
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the argument, but no twisting the scripture completely in the
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psalm. It says you formed my inmost
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being you knit me in my mother's womb, I praise you because I am
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wonderfully made wonderful. Are your Works.
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Your eyes saw me unformed in your book.
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All the written down the days were shaped before one came to
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be the clear sense here. Here, hens Piazza explains is
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that the self that has been created by God is more than the
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physical. Sell, the inner self is being
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lifted up here. That inmost self.
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She said, she says is what really defines a person, but the
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psalmist rather than any notion rather than any notion of
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physicality. Okay, I'm pretty sure it says
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you knit me in my mother's womb, doesn't that seem to indicate
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physicality anyway, some 39 130 Celebrates the creation of the
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innermost self as the actual Act of God.
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You see the twisting of scripture here saying?
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No, no, it's not the physical, it's not the outside.
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That is the actual Act of God's the inmost.
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So if you going on, it says, in this context, claiming the
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identity that we discover within ourselves over time, rather than
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being a sin or era is the way in which we are true to God.
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The person can buy virtual Two of their in touch - with
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themself pray with themselves. Praise God for being so
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wonderfully made. You see the way she's Twisted
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scripture around in this context, claim the identity we
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discover within ourselves over time or what she says back here,
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Psalm 139 celebrates the creation of the inner most self,
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as the actual Act of God, it's kind of.
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So she's saying she's pushing aside the physical aspects and
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saying, well, what the actual the actual Act of God is is that
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the inner, the inner self, the spiritual self and then twisting
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everything to say, well, when you have this, when you have
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this, you know this what would you say like this sudden desire?
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The sudden thought would come into your mind and you think wow
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I'm actually if you're a man and oh no I'm actually a woman
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that's just yourself. Having this Revelation this
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Godly Revelation. That's what that's the way.
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She's trying trying to twist scripture, anyway.
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So going on, says, while the question of personal pronouns,
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is not something that comes up in Scripture, it is just so far
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outside the mindset of antiquity and Piazza notes that any number
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of biblical characters do change their names.
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Abraham's name is changed to Abraham see ride Sarah Jacob
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Israel Saul DePaul well see again twisting scripture and she
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notes. These name changes always come
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back to that same, feeling expressed by transgender
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persons, of ones, inmost self, what, trying to get draw some
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correlation between Abram to Abraham, searider, Sarah Jacob
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to Israel, Saul, to Paul correlating that to me with the
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delusion of transgender person. And she goes on to say, all of
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these changes are in conjunction with identity changes with their
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deep self-understanding. Oh my goodness.
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Okay, I just can't even I'm gonna list.
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I'm going to read some scriptures.
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Let's answer this for starters. These people did not have a
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revelation and decide that they wanted to change their names
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themselves from Abram to Abraham in Genesis 17 from 17 onwards.
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It says, when Abram was 99 years old, the Lord appeared to
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Abraham to Abram. And said to him, I'm almighty
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God, walk before me and be blameless.
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And I will make my Covenant between me and you and will
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multiply you exceedingly and Abram fell on his face.
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And God talked with him saying, as, for me, behold my Covenant
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is with you and you shall be a father of many nations, no
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longer no longer shall your name, be called, sell your name,
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be called a Abram. But your name shall be called
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your name shall be Abraham, but I have made you a father of many
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nations. We'll go down to verse 15.
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So just note there Abraham, didn't decide, I've got this
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fuzzy warm feeling inside me, I want to be called Abraham God
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changed his name to Abraham further down.
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Then God said to Abraham as for Sarai your wife, you shall not.
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You shall not call her name Sarai, but Sarah shall be her
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name and I will bless her. And also give you a son by her,
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then I'll bless her. This hens Piazza twisting,
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scripture. Go to Jacob to Israel in Genesis
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32 27 to 29. Okay.
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Jacob's talking to talking to God.
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Here. I could get actually Jesus but
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I'm not to get in. Get into that into that
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discussion. I'll leave it for the
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theologians so he says to him so he said to him, what is your
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name? He said, Jacob and he said your
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name shall no longer be called Jacob, but Israel for you have
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struggled with God and with men and have prevailed.
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And Jacob are saying, tell me your name, I pray.
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And he said, why is it that you asked about my name and he
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blessed him there again, God changed Jacob to Israel.
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It wasn't because Israel had this This delusion, this
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thoughts, this crazy idea that you know I don't want to be
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called Israel because that's my innermost self identification.
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God said. Now when it comes to Paul Saul
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and Paul when I when you read scripture it seems it seems like
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I'm not going to say I'm any expert on this but it seems the
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most logical argument when you read it, Saul had several names
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actual legitimate names as in You know, I've got more than one
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name. I've got a first name and a
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middle name. And last name it seems.
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That's probably the case with Saul.
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He had his name Saul and it says install who was also called
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Paul. And then from then on, Everyone
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referred to him as Paul, he referred to himself as Paul.
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I'm not saying that the Holy Spirit didn't give him
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instruction. Hey, gopal, because it was just
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after a very deep encounter filled with the holy spirit, all
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I'm saying is it seems like. Okay, what I take out of it is
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that he had a name, I would say his name is probably saw middle
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name Paul. Maybe add another name in those
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in those in that area. You tend to have several names
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anyway. Look, I just this idea that you
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can just twist anything around and and why they doing twisting
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scripture around to me nor to be whatever you want it to be.
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Just it does not sit, right? And it just these people are
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going to have to well, again at the answer to God in reality, in
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the, in the long run. But what I really don't like
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here is the way Christianity is Being Framed and obviously this
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isn't a true Christian arguments.
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Okay. But people would look at this
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and saying, well, there's a Christian argument to this
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because all these people now come and twist scripture to
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support their own. Unbiblical.
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I'm biblical arguments to be honest demonic.
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So I'm going to continue on because I can't read any more of
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that hens Piazza. So this one here, contending
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with the wounds of the churches that NEC luck PhD.
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She goes on to say that a lot of the Georgetown Eck ecclesiology,
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just any Selleck's current work focuses on the wounds carried by
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the church. She says, my basic thesis is
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that the church can only credibly be church if it attends
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to its own wound. She says listing, racism sexism
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clericalism and the exclusion of the lgbtq community as amongst
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as amongst them if you just focus on.
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This idea that the lgbtq community has been excluded,
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it's not true. The Bible.
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Clearly states. Clearly very clearly teachers.
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That homosexual homosexuality is a sin just like other sexual
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sins. Like adultery like sex outside
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of marriage sex before marriage. Bestiality homosexuality is sin,
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it's not excluding the community.
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It's just that the Bible and churches should stand up and
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teach stand up for what's in the Bible.
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And it's not that you're excluding them from church, you
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want? I mean, all people are sinners,
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all people are born, Sinners, you wanting to bring the sinner
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in. but if the sinner doesn't accept that, the Bible teaches
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that these things are sin, I don't know what what more can
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you say? our words do matter the way we
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frame our words, the meaning of words they matter, You can't
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have your own personal truth. There is fact.
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And then there is fiction, there is the truth, and if it's not
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truth, then it's a lie. In Revelation, chapter 21.
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If I'll read from verse 7, it says he who overcomes shall
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inherit all things and I will be his God and he shall be my son,
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but the Cowardly unbelieving abominable murderers sexually
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immoral Sorcerers idolaters idolaters.
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So and all liars shall have their part in the lake which
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burns with fire and brimstone which is the second death you
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know, these these Scholars, the so-called experts, the PHD
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people, The hell line that twisting scripture to support
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their own delusions. Saying that they love people by
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lying to them supporting them in their own delusion.
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Do not fall for the do not fall for the twisting of scripture
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and do not start using scripture.
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As a basis for your own self delusion.
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That's just my opinion. Let me know what you think.
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Thanks for listening to the slippery slope.
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As a basis for your own self delusion.
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That's just my opinion. Let me know what you think.
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