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The Richardson Murders – Part 2 · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to part two of the Richardson Murders. If you
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  Speaker 1: haven't listened to part one yet, make sure you do so,
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  Speaker 1: because we'll be picking up from where we left off
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  Speaker 1: on today's episode. Good morning, following podcast materials for a
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  Speaker 1: mature audience listener, just question this.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, I'm Nicole, I'm Ben, and you are listening to
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  Speaker 2: Wicked and.
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  Speaker 1: Grim, a true crime podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Bomb bump, bump, nailed.
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  Speaker 1: It, nailed it. Hello, Welcome, Welcome back.
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  Speaker 2: To the show. Welcome to true crime, Wicked and Grim.
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  Speaker 1: A true crime podcast. That's what we are.
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  Speaker 2: We are. We got some shit to deliver to you
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  Speaker 2: guys today. First and foremost, you're talking about part.
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  Speaker 1: Two, Part two, Yes, so we said in an intro,
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  Speaker 1: But if you've not listened to part one, make sure
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  Speaker 1: you do so.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because you'll miss out on a little bit of information.
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  Speaker 1: You'll miss out on a lot of info. This isn't
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  Speaker 1: an info heavy case.
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  Speaker 2: And honestly, like, okay, part one for the record, well
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  Speaker 2: done on that. I'm on the been on the edge
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  Speaker 2: of my seat. This is a fucking crazy case.
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  Speaker 1: I'll do it time. I'm doing the tiniest of recaps. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I'll go and listen to part one.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, sounds good. We'll hold that recap off if you
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  Speaker 2: don't mind. Yes, of course, get past some information first
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  Speaker 2: and foremost, can we thank our patrons.
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  Speaker 1: I actually have to say one thing first, Sure, what's that?
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  Speaker 1: I literally thought that I ended episode one in a
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  Speaker 1: very kind spot, but I got slack for it, flacky, mean, flack,
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  Speaker 1: slack whatever, flat. So I apologize, but I've literally thought
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  Speaker 1: I was being kind.
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  Speaker 2: No, I even told you in the episode like that
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  Speaker 2: was that was a cliffhanger.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't think it was at all.
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  Speaker 2: It was.
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  Speaker 1: Well anyway, my apologies, but the way it's over, so
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  Speaker 1: there you go.
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  Speaker 2: Here it is. But I do want to send a
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  Speaker 2: special thank you to Dwayne aka Wayne Dreary, who is
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  Speaker 2: our patron who signed up for us this week.
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  Speaker 1: Amazing. Thank you so much, Wayne, Thank you, Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: To all our patrons, and even if you're not a patron,
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  Speaker 2: thank you so much for being here and listening. That
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  Speaker 2: means the world to us.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you so much. Awesome.
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  Speaker 2: We have some news.
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  Speaker 1: Though, finally, the long awaited.
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  Speaker 2: News before we get in long waited.
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  Speaker 1: Oh shoot, I thought that's where we're going. You have
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  Speaker 1: something else.
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  Speaker 2: We're not posting an episode next week, is it?
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  Speaker 1: No, we are next week.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, well you're the one going on vacation, so you
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  Speaker 2: need to tell me when that is, because clearly I
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  Speaker 2: don't know when you're leaving.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Bett, Ben, we'll be posting an episode next week,
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  Speaker 1: but then the week after I'm on VAK. So we're
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  Speaker 1: thinking we're just going to throw out a Q and
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  Speaker 1: a episode of sorts, something that doesn't take quite as long,
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  Speaker 1: but still putting something out there where you guys can
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  Speaker 1: ask us questions and get us to get to know
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  Speaker 1: us a little bit better and such.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so that'll be over on social media where we
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  Speaker 2: get a lot of the questions and everything. So if
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  Speaker 2: you want to ask some questions, something's been burning in
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  Speaker 2: your mind, you want to hear from.
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  Speaker 1: Us, let us know, and yeah, we'll do a post
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  Speaker 1: and such. But yeah, that won't be until August fifteen.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so coming down the pipe, we have one week
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  Speaker 2: we're going to be taking.
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  Speaker 1: A Sorry there we go, got the wrong day.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, but now what Nicole was talking about? The long
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  Speaker 2: awaited thing thing thing, the Wicked Box. Yes, we have
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  Speaker 2: this big old wicked box that we've put together a
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  Speaker 2: bunch of cool.
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  Speaker 1: Stuff, very cool stuff, and.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to post on our social media pictures of
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  Speaker 2: what is actually contained in this wicked box. You can
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  Speaker 2: the middle. There's a peculiar button that popped.
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  Speaker 1: Up with just randomly popped up.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's weird. Three the three questions.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like, wow.
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  Speaker 2: So if you click on that, it's going to take
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  Speaker 2: you to a password protected page. You can't see it
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  Speaker 2: unless you have the password. What that password might be, Well,
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  Speaker 2: that's kind of up for you guys to figure out. However,
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  Speaker 2: there is a little bit of a hint. All you
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  Speaker 2: Take a look at that design and pretty sure you'll
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  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Yeah. And this is like an in
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  Speaker 1: parts series, right, So it's like, I mean, not some
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  Speaker 1: people maybe they're on vacation or something and they can't
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  Speaker 1: of going in stages.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly, so it's stage stage by stage by stage. There
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  Speaker 2: is time for everyone to participate at their own leisure,
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  Speaker 2: the Wicket box.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and in that Wicked Box does contain the number
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  Speaker 1: one mug. Yes, that will be so soon.
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  Speaker 2: I'm actually drinking tea out of one right now because
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  Speaker 2: we kept one. But we had some made up and
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  Speaker 1: But you'll number one. Yeah, number one is number one
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  Speaker 1: out of thirty. Yeah, they're so awesome. That looks so good.
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  Speaker 2: to the next stage. Unfortunately, so the information to find
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  Speaker 1: This is going to be fun. Yeah, it's gonna be fun.
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  Speaker 1: I think so?
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  Speaker 2: You think so?
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  Speaker 1: I think so? Yeah? Okay, well I guess we should
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  Speaker 2: be going up for sale until this giveaway is complete.
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  Speaker 1: So that will be coming down the line too. So
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  Speaker 1: that's exciting. We have a lot of things. Oh are
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  Speaker 1: we announcing our other big.
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  Speaker 2: Thing or no, what's another big thing?
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  Speaker 1: Our big download announcement? Oh yeah, sure, are we allowed
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  Speaker 1: to or are you saving that for something? Well?
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  Speaker 2: I mean I was thinking of doing the real first,
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  Speaker 2: but you know what, fuck it, let's just.
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  Speaker 1: Let okay, Well, we're going to be doing a blog
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  Speaker 1: and a reel about it. But we just hit half
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  Speaker 1: a well not just like a week or two ago.
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  Speaker 1: We hit half a million downloads, half.
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  Speaker 2: A million times.
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  Speaker 1: That is so wild, like, oh my gosh, thousand times.
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  Speaker 1: It makes me feel like I could pee my pants.
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  Speaker 1: It's so exciting.
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  Speaker 2: We're actually by the time we realized it. We looked
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  Speaker 2: split a little bit because we were on another hosting
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  Speaker 2: platform before, so we take our analytics from that and
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  Speaker 2: add it up to our currently current ones. So we
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  Speaker 2: had to add them. Actually look at the number a
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  Speaker 2: little bit deeper. But we are currently at about five
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  Speaker 2: hundred and fifteen thousand downloads right now, so we missed
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  Speaker 2: it a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. But but honestly, like, just thank you, I just
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  Speaker 1: feel like that's just a dream and not even in
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  Speaker 1: my wild this dreams what I have thought that we
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  Speaker 1: would had that many so far. So honestly, thank you
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  Speaker 1: so much for all the sport, kindness and just everything.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you guys have been amazing to us. So that's
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  Speaker 2: what we try and give back a little bit with
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  Speaker 2: things like this Wicked Boss.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, a little giveaway.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So without further ado, should we get into part two?
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  Speaker 2: Oh that rhymed?
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Further a dude? Should we get into part two?
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  Speaker 1: This is going off to a good start.
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  Speaker 2: Is that what you call a good start?
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  Speaker 1: I'd say? So? Okay, So to do a slight recap,
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  Speaker 1: we left off part one with twelve year old, Jasmine's
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  Speaker 1: relationship with her parents steadily declining right Her relationship with
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  Speaker 1: her twenty three year old boyfriend Jeremy was, however, flourishing.
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  Speaker 1: On March twentieth, two thousand and six, Jasmine wrote to
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  Speaker 1: Jeremy stating that she had a plan, a plan which
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  Speaker 1: begins with her killing her parents and ends with them
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  Speaker 1: living together. Jeremy loved this plan. Jacob's neighbor friend Gareth,
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  Speaker 1: would make a gruesome discovery on April twenty third, two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and six, of the bodies of the Richardsons, Deborah, Mark,
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  Speaker 1: and Jacob. So we're going to dive into the events
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  Speaker 1: that led to Gare's gruesome discovery.
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  Speaker 2: Huh. I'm not ready for this, but let's do it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm never ready for this, honestly, Okay. I feel like
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  Speaker 1: this is actually probably the most time I've ever spent
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  Speaker 1: on a case because the book spent a lot of time.
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  Speaker 1: Was amazing. So I definitely recommend reading the book. We'll
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  Speaker 1: have it in the notes. And I don't know, it
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  Speaker 1: was just like I just needed to learn almost everything
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  Speaker 1: about it because it's terrible. It really actually bothered me
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  Speaker 1: this case. But that's okay.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and rightfully, So.
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  Speaker 1: It's very bothersome case. So Jeremy was becoming more infuriated
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  Speaker 1: with Jasmine's parents telling friends they were locking her up,
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  Speaker 1: yet the two of them continued to keep in touch.
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  Speaker 1: Jasmine would softly creep out of her bedroom as late
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  Speaker 1: as one in the morning and use the basement phone
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  Speaker 1: to have whispered conversations with Jeremy, sometimes for hours into
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  Speaker 1: the night. They'd fansize about escaping to a castle in Europe,
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  Speaker 1: their castle, but struggled with the idea of running away
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  Speaker 1: because Jasmine's family would just go about trying to find them.
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  Speaker 2: In all honesty, I can relate to the escaping to
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  Speaker 2: Europe and living in a castle dream.
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  Speaker 1: I mean that does actually sound kind of awesome.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, girl, that's my dream.
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  Speaker 1: Hell yeah, you're all about that dreaming. Oh my dream
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  Speaker 1: is actually just like moving our tiny home to Tafino,
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  Speaker 1: So I feel like it's a bit more attainable.
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  Speaker 2: That's my Canadian North American dream for sure. However, if
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  Speaker 2: I were to do whatever the fuck I want, castle
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  Speaker 2: is in Europe, I mean, it doesn't matter where a
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  Speaker 2: castle fucking rights.
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  Speaker 1: Probably in Ireland or Scotland or something. Yes, yeah, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So they often discussed how to go about killing her
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  Speaker 1: family and ran through various scenarios including shooting, stabbing, knocking
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  Speaker 1: them out, and setting the house on fire. And if
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  Speaker 1: they eliminated her parents, it would be unfair to leave
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  Speaker 1: her brother alone in a world without a mom and
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  Speaker 1: a dad. That's I don't agree with that at all.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't agree with the whole situation.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Devil's advocate here. Of course, murdering the parents
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  Speaker 2: is not a cool thing. Don't get us wrong with
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  Speaker 2: this conversation. But I don't think that's a reason to
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  Speaker 2: have to kill the brother.
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  Speaker 1: Too, because the thing is they were going to get caught,
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  Speaker 1: like there is no doubt about it. Yeah, So having
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  Speaker 1: the brother be able to say who did it, it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't matter, Like it was going to be inevitable. So
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  Speaker 1: it's like, this is an eight year old boy that
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  Speaker 1: had his whole life ahead of him. Yeah, and he
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  Speaker 1: would have been terribly devastated, but he would have adapted
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  Speaker 1: in a way and still been able to potentially live
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  Speaker 1: a fulfilled life wholeheartedly.
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  Speaker 2: Right, So that is one of the most pathetic excuses,
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, for murdering someone, let alone a child.
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  Speaker 1: Honestly fucking disgusting. Yeah, disgusting it is. So then came
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  Speaker 1: the evening of April twenty second. Early in the evening,
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  Speaker 1: the Richardson's had Gareth over and were enjoying hot dogs
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  Speaker 1: in the backyard with Jacob. I had mentioned in part
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  Speaker 1: one that Jacob and Gareth were supposed to have a
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  Speaker 1: sleepover that night, but Gareth instead was going to a
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  Speaker 1: hockey game with his grandma, so they were hanging out
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  Speaker 1: beforehand having a hot dog roast, which, holy shit, thank god.
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  Speaker 2: Right, yeah, no kidding, Otherwise he would.
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  Speaker 1: Have been He would have been killed too, for sure.
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  Speaker 1: I think, just like the logic of what those people had,
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  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Meanwhile, Jeremy was getting drunk and stoned
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  Speaker 1: with friends. He had previously purchased a twelve pack of
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  Speaker 1: beer and an eighth ounce bag of pot, and when
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  Speaker 1: his beer was done, he rated his mother's beer fridge
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  Speaker 1: or beer supply in the fridge and vodka in the freezer.
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  Speaker 1: Jasmine wasn't with Jeremy that evening. She was at home
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  Speaker 1: soaking in a hot bath and messaging with a friend.
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  Speaker 1: The friend wanted to hang out with Jasmine the following day,
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  Speaker 1: go swimming or go to the mall, but Jasmine simply
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  Speaker 1: replied that she couldn't, and when asked why not, the
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  Speaker 1: friend never received a reply back. At about nine pm,
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  Speaker 1: Jeremy left his trailer high on pot and booze and
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  Speaker 1: went to visit his friend Jordan and ask him a favor.
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  Speaker 2: High on pot and booze. Eh, yeah, high on booze.
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  Speaker 1: Sure, high on all of it, all of the above.
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  Speaker 1: I know, I just felt high on I should have
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  Speaker 1: said high on pot, intoxicated on booze, drunk on booze.
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  Speaker 2: He was under the influence of alcohol and the devil's lettuce.
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  Speaker 1: He was intoxicated by two means.
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  Speaker 2: A Mary Jane the marijuana.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so you see. He wanted his friend Jordan to
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  Speaker 1: help murder his girlfriend's family with him, and he wasn't
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  Speaker 1: the first friend he'd ask of this. Jeremy had previously
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  Speaker 1: asked his friend Grant, who simply told him to fuck off.
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  Speaker 1: Jordan wasn't interested either, He said, no way, I don't
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  Speaker 1: have it in me to kill another human being. Jeremy
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  Speaker 1: was furious, but left and headed back to his trailer.
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  Speaker 1: He called and once more when he got home and
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  Speaker 1: was overheard yelling at him and talking to Jordan about
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  Speaker 1: killing them. He also threatened Jordan, saying, if I ever
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  Speaker 1: find out you or anybody else told the police about this,
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  Speaker 1: I will kill all of you because I won't know
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  Speaker 1: which one is the rat.
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  Speaker 2: What the fuck?
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  Speaker 1: So, the sad reality of this is so many people
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  Speaker 1: knew of Jeremy and Jasmine's intentions.
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  Speaker 2: Buddy scared them all into silence.
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  Speaker 1: Well no, and even some of Jasmine's friends knew that
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  Speaker 1: she had told, but it just never got reported because
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  Speaker 1: as far as everybody was concerned, they were just angry
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  Speaker 1: and they would never actually go about ahead with this plan.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, how absurd is it to think that
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  Speaker 2: your friend's going to go murder their parents. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you're probably not going to believe them.
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  Speaker 1: No, you probably wouldn't. Like you just think, oh, they're angry,
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  Speaker 1: like they just need to cool off.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well you hear that in conversations and you can
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  Speaker 2: I mean you can scroll Instagram or TikTok and you
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  Speaker 2: could find people getting in arguments or whatever and like,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to kill this guy. I mean they're not
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  Speaker 2: meaning it, literally, No.
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  Speaker 1: No, when you're mad, you say things. But I mean,
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  Speaker 1: Jasmine I can kind of understand, but the Jeremy one,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. If I was in that situation, I
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  Speaker 1: might not have taken it quite as lightly. Yeah, maybe
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  Speaker 1: I would want to say something about that one.
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  Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
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  Speaker 1: So once Jeremy calmed down, him and his friend started
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: watching the movie Natural Born Killers, which really set the
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  Speaker 1: tone for the night. Have you watched this.
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  Speaker 2: It's been a long time since I've seen that movie.
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  Speaker 1: I know, I'm not even sure i've seen it, But
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  Speaker 1: the premise of the movie is two lovers go on
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  Speaker 1: a massive killing spree, including killing the girlfriend's parents so
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  Speaker 1: she can be free of their control and live with him.
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  Speaker 1: While watching, Jeremy was getting fired up and made comments
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  Speaker 1: in regards to what was happening in the movie and
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  Speaker 1: how him and Jasmine would go about it a little
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  Speaker 1: bit different, like, for example, in the movie, the brother
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  Speaker 1: was spared. That's where it's going to be different, Jeremy explained,
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  Speaker 1: Jasmine is going to kill her brother. The one friend
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  Speaker 1: told Jeremy to stop talking about killing Jasmine's family, to
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  Speaker 1: which he responded, if you can talk her out of it,
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  Speaker 1: I won't do it. Like this is just so fucked
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  Speaker 1: up that these are the conversations. I don't think I
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  Speaker 1: could have friends that talked like this. I think I'd
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  Speaker 1: just be like, how.
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  Speaker 2: Did you not go to the police with that? Though,
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  Speaker 2: I know the difference is we're going to kill her
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  Speaker 2: little brother?
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  Speaker 1: Well, the thing was so like they were all very
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  Speaker 1: intoxicated and stuff too.
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  Speaker 2: Still, right, people are honest when they're intoxicated. Yeah, they're
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  Speaker 2: usually brutally honest.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so the friends part of their ways. And the
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: next thing that was overheard was was a two am
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: phone call. Jeremy was talking on the phone saying are
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: you sure you want to do this? He was later
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: heard leaving the trailer and driving away with no friends
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: willing to help. Jeremy turned to coke for courage, okay,
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: and when it paid his friend Cam a visit, who
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: he knew was a good source. Cam's girlfriend or Jenny. Sorry,
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: it was also at Cam's. Jenny was stoned herself, so
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: she couldn't remember exactly how much pot they smoked or
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: how many lines of cocaine they started, but she said
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: it was a lot. Might have been more than six
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: lines each.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: Holy shit. Yeah, I mean I've never done coke, but
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: I can assume that's a lot.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: I think that'd really fucked you up pretty bad.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no kidding.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: They were also drinking vodka and Vampire brand wine straight
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: from the bottle. Jenny also offered Jeremy some ecstasy, so
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: it's safe to say Jeremy would have been absolutely wrecked.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: Like I can't even imagine. So he's high on pot, cocaine, ecstasy, beer, vodka,
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: and wine, but not life. No, no, not that at all.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: And then I think he even took like some I
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: don't even didn't hear about cocaine to go.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: Cocaine to go.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: It sounds terrible. I hate that. I just said that,
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: I'm welcome McDonald's.
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: What can I get for you today? Yeah? Can I
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: get a happy meal please? Oh gosh, with three lines
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: of coke in it? A Mick coke.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: Anyway, And he snorted that before he went to Jasmine,
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: so like he he didn't need that. How the fuck
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: would he even drove driven there?
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: Like, I don't know, there's.
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: Honestly, it would have been awesome if he probably just
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: crashed on the way there, right.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if i'd say that, but I didn't.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: Say hurt, but just crash his vehicle? Can no longer
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: make it to Jasmine.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: I know where you're going with that. Yes, no, I
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: the family lives. Yeah, I don't want him to just
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: drive off the road and fucking die.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: But that's all I meant. No, I don't think I
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: just like crash, like maybe like hit a telephone pole
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: and like he can't get to Jasmine's. Yes, that's all
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: I meant. Okay, okay, So he left the apartment and
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: his way made his way to Jasmine's house. Jeremy crept
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: to the front of the house and picked up a
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: pine cone off the ground to throw at Jasmine's window
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: to let her know that he was there. She motioned
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: for him to go to the basement window, where she
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: would let him in.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: You know, these two were like sitting here thinking they're
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: fucking Romeo and Juliette.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there was even a reference of that shit
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: in the book. I didn't put it in here. I
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: was like, fuck that. Oh yeah, they think they're just awesome.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: In the pocket of his black hoodie, he carried a knife.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: And then the events that unfolded Necks all seemed to
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: happen very fast. Debrah, Jasmine's mom, woke up to the
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: noise of Jeremy entering the house and most likely suspected
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: that Jasmine was once again trying to sneak out, so
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: she went down to the basement to investigate. As she's
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: turned on the light, she was met with Jeremy, who
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: was in his black clothes back near pream I said
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: that funny pream black fishnet, arm stockings, leather wristband, neck, bandana,
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: and eyes lined with black eyeliner. Fueled by cocaine, Jeremy
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: pounced on Deborah. There had been literally no time for
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: her to really react. Jeremy viciously stabbed Deborah twelve times,
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: including a twelve centimeter deep piercing to her heart. This
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: commotion obviously calls Mark to wake up and race downstairs
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: to the screams of his wife, which is just that
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: would just be like the worst way ever to wake up.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: Oh man, I can't imagine.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: He sees Deborah on the floor and the masks masked
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: figure standing over top her and grabs a screwdriver that
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: was left on the stairs and prepares for the battle
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: of his life. Mark was a warrior. He was fighting
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: for his family, but unfortunately he was no match for
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: the advantage Jeremy had on him of cocaine and a
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: sharp This breaks my heart. As Mark was realizing he
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: wasn't going to win this battle, he asked Jeremy who
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: who he was, like, who are you? To which Jeremy
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: didn't reply, But Mark then asks why, to which Jeremy screamed,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: because you treat your daughter like shit. It's what your
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: daughter wanted. Those words would be the last Mark would
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: ever hear.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Holy fuck. Yeah wow, and those are nothing but the
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: like so incorrect, those.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Words so incorrect. Well, I mean the daughter did seem
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: like she did want well that yeah they did. They
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: could have given up on her so many times, I
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: feel like, and they just didn't. They seem like amazing people.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of parents would not have
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: put up with what they did to the extent. So
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: Mark was stabbed twenty four times, including nine times in
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: his back.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: Fuck.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: He fought til has very last breath. Both Deborah and
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Mark had numerous defensive knife cuts on their hands and arms.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: Jeremy would meet Jasmine in the kitchen, where Jasmine apparently
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: gave Jeremy a hug and kiss and told him that
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: she loved him.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: She then proceeded so she was just standing in the
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: kitchen the whole fucking time.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: Pty. Well, I mean this is like just from them, right,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: So she went upstairs at some point I think she
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: went I'm not sure, like some say she went to
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: check on her brother, but I think she didn't because
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: then she went up to the brother later and it
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: seemed like that was the first time she saw him.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: But yeah, she was not helping, like she was just
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: kind of like watching from afar. I don't even think
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: she was really full eyes on what was going on
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: down there.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: But even still, even if she was on a separate
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: floor wherever she was in the house, she's just listening
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: to this happen. Yeah, listening to her parents' fucking fight
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: for their lives.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, holy fuck, Like it's really bad. So she then
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: proceeded to head upstairs to her brother, who was scared shitless,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: asking her sister what was going on. Oh, I just
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: can't even with this brother's sister thing like it just
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: destroys me. Jasmine told her brother to go to sleep
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: as she cradled his neck in the crook of her
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: arm and squeezed hard, but Jacob dug his fingernails into
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: his sister's forearm and broke free from his sister's grip.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: That's when Jeremy came up the stairs, smearing blood along
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: the wall in his path from like his sleeve. H
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Jasmine and Jeremy cornered Jacob. His last words were I'm scared.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: I'm too young to die.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: Oh my god.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Jasmine and Jeremy decided they couldn't let him live,
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: their excuse being that he was too sensitive and would
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: be wrong to leave him without parents. The little boy
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: fought In the Runaway Devil book, it said Jacob fought
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: like the Jedi warrior he often pretended to be. Neither
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Jasmine nor Jeremy ever admitted to being the one who
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: ultimately took Jacob's life, though Jeremy was adamant it was Jasmine.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: But either way, the little eight year old boy's life
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: was cut far too short. He was stabbed five times,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: including a wide, deep gash across his neck. Fuck like monsters.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: That is just a monsters and there's there's one monsters awful.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: There's one thing I do know about the details on
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: this this part. There was blood in one of his toys, specifically,
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: wasn't there?
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mentioned that in part one.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Oh that's right, okay, but he.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Had and that's why I kind of said, like Jedi.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: So he had his lightsaber that apparently had blood on it.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: Oh you're making me say this again. Like he went
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: to try to fight with his light fight them off
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: with his lightsaber.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: Like just the most pure, innocent, little boy thing that
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: you could ever hear.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: The thing that really gets me is they these two
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: fucking monsters. I'm sorry, but they are fucking monsters. They
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: are They think the right thing to do is to
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: kill them, because it would be wrong to leave them
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: without parents.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: It doesn't make any sense.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: So it's wrong to leave. But murdering's not right or right,
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: but it's.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Taking his life and all the possibilities of his life
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: is better. No, shit, it doesn't make any sense. It's
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: so disgusting.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: We killed two, so we should probably kill three.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what I mean, he would have had family or
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: someone else that he could have gone with. I'm sure right. So, So, now,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: after the discovery of the Richeson murders, and as I
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: had mentioned in part one, initially the police feared Jasmine
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: was also a victim and had been abducted by the attacker,
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: but it was realized very quickly that was not the case.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: The police contacted Jasmine's school counselor to gather some names
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: of Jasmine's friends in order to contact them in hopes
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: of finding her. Maybe she was just having a sleepover
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: at their house or something. Right, they would meet at
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: the school to retrieve Jasmine's school photo so they could
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: really sit and the contact in full of her friends.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: And they also searched through Jasmine's locker to see if
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: she had her friend's numbers taped to the inside door
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: or in a notebook, as many students often did. But
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: what they found in her locker made Jasmine go from
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: no longer missing but to a murder suspect. She had
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: a twelve panel cartoon strip depicting a family of three
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: stick figures being burned alive while two others watched laughing.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: One stick figer is happily running toward a vehicle labeled
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: Jeremy's truck. There was also a note that read Hugh Jays,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: I'm looking to take a breath. This is brutal. It
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: is May the hatred and anger build of blazing infernos
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: fill you and overcome you. May the pains of a
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: thousand tortured souls come upon you like scalding and eclipse
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: all other noble feeling like the poem doesn't even really
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: make sense to me, but I'm gonna keep reading it.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: May your hopes, dreams, and happiness fall into the swirling
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: pit of despair, never to return. May your peace of
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: mind and safety be gone to you, to be forever
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: afraid and allied. May the black overcome you, and the
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: pain never ending. May all you love be stolen and destroyed,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: just out of reach, to never again feel such joys.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Amen xx amen. Yeah. So after they have found those
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: two pieces that are like wow, basically.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no shit, I'm also kind of like wow.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean I just feel like it's hard
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: to believe that, like a twelve year old thinks that
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: way in a sense, you know, it's.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: Hard to believe she is twelve, Yeah, honestly, and like
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: even that, you forget that posted, you forget that.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she looks like she's literally sixteen years old.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she doesn't look twelve, she doesn't act twelve. Certainly,
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: what she's done is not what you'd think is what's
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: normally capable from a twelve year.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Old and there was I said I was going to
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: post the photo with like the gun, but I never
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: posted that because I was like, I don't know if
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: Instagram will like that there's a gun in this photo.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: So I had picked other photos just I said that
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: last one, so I just wanted to clarify. So, but
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: at the scene of the crime, there was also something
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: else they found, and it was a small blood smear
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: on the light switch in Jasmine's room. And from the
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: investigator's experiment experience, thieves or home invaders don't generally turn
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: off the lights, so that was like another thing that
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: really pinpointed her. Makes sense. I never even have thought
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: of that, to be honest, they don't turn off the lights, well,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: or turn on and off the lights.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: Oh turn yeah, turned him on and off? Yeah, fair enough.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: You just want to they would I don't think they
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: would be touching the lights.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: No, you want to leave it exactly as it is. Yeah,
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: I don't want to draw any attention.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: If they needed a light or whatever, they'd have a flashlight.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: So and yeah, they would be trying to feel it
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: or something like that. So that just made so much sense.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: I was just like, Wow, I never thought about that
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: I want to be like a detective. That's so interesting
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: what you probably learn. Okay, so where were Jasmine and Jeremy. Well,
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: after the Grousome murders, Jeremy took off. He was paranoid
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: that someone saw him. He was basically a hot mess, shaking, trembling,
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: gasping for air. He wanted Jasmine to hurry up. She
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: was in the process of gathering her things, but the
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: panic was really setting in, and he took off, running
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: down the street to his truck and drove back to
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: his trailer. I mean, he was also probably losing his high, right,
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: maybe not even yet, but he was just fed out
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: of his mind.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Whether he lost his high or he's still on it,
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: or he's just starting to freak out, I don't know,
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: but all those scenarios are definitely applicable and realistic.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So, after gathering her things, including stealing her mom's purse,
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: which I'm like, that's just like another thing.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: Right, it's just the salt into the wound.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: Jasmine called a cab to come and pick her up
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: and take her to Jeremy's. She actually went outside to
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: call the cab so she wouldn't be in the house
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: with her dead family, and as she was outside, she
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: caught a glimpse of her father's body through the window
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: on the floor in the basement. She reached through the
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: broken window and closed the blinds to block the image.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: Out of sight, out of mind. Wow, like disgusting.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: How heartless is that?
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: I know that, It just seems it's beyond me like
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: it just the whole thing is awful, heartless, like you
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: said so. Once the cab dropped Jasmine off at Jeremy's,
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: they greedy each other with a big hug and exchanged
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: I love you s. Jeremy had already cleaned himself up,
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: but he looked worn out and had a rapidly swelling
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: eye like a black eye. He put his bloody clothes
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: into a plastic grocery brig to discard of, and the
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: two of them headed to Cam's apartment, where Jeremy had
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: been prior to the murders. They ended up staying the
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: night there. They had sex and woke up early afternoon
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: the following day, where they proceeded to get ready and
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: head to a well known party house and crash pad
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: where a party was in full swing.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: And just a reminder Jeremy's in his twenties and she's twelve. Yeah,
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: just that reminder.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: He's twenty three, so there's eleven year different difference there
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: and she's twelve. Yeah. So he, along with murdering people,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: is also.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: Let's just move on.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: Let's just move on. Yeah, okay, So Jasmine was now free.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: It was as if it was her coming out party.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: At the party, it was described that the two of
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: them were all over each other, making out on the
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: couch like no one was literally around. And surprisingly the
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: party this, I was like, what the fuck, was barely
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: a kilometer down the road from Jasmine's house. So as
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: they were there, Gareth was discovering Jasmine's murdered family. His
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: mom was folding the police and the investigators were beginning
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: their search and they were not even a kilometer away.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: And they didn't even give a shit, no wow.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: At one point, search dogs were brought in to search
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: for evidence. They searched within a half kilometer radius of
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: the Richardson home, But if they had extended that search
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: to be a kilometer radius, they would have basically found
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: Jasmine and Jeremy on the front lawn eating fucking fast food.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: But what reason would they have had to ext and
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: that sort of I know, like the line's drawn somewhere, right, yeah,
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: but the farther you get away, less chance of that.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: Happens, I know. But I'm just like, oh, almost half
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: a kilometer or more. But I mean that would have
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: double the radius, right, So it's not like it's that
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: that close. So as they were outside eating their fast food,
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: Jeremy's good friend James showed up. He was moving out
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: and there to collect his final belongings. The two of
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: them actually followed James inside. Jeremy felt he could confide
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: in James and very quickly blurted out to him, we
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: killed my girlfriend's family last night. I gutted them like
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: a fish, to which Jasmine responded, my little brother gargled.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: Wow, my little brother gargled, holy fuck yeah, oh my god.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: James was busy, so the conversation didn't last long, but
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: James just responded that they're crazy, like you guys are crazy.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: He didn't believe that his best friend could do something
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: like that.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: Did he go to the police by any chance?
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: He did not right away, No, right away, but he did.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: He did later when it was more out there. But
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: like just that little conversation didn't make him go to
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: the police. No one believed that they would buy something.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: I understand.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: I'm just like, that's a law, go to the.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: Police, I understand. But I mean, okay, if you hear
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: someone saying that I killed someone, your next move should
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: probably be contacting the police. Yeah, even if it's a
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: can we get a welfare check on these people because
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: you know what this person claims they killed this person.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. So eventually the news started to reporting on
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: the murders, and this brought the same paranoia back to Jeremy.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: Jeremy that he felt after the murders, which is when
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: the pair accepted a ride from a friend who was
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: driving some other friends to Leader, Saskatchewan. Last minute, I
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: looked at how Leader was because it was like, oh,
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: maybe it's like a distance, like they're really trying to escape,
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: but it was only like two hours away, which I
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: don't feel like as much of a getaway plan there
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: not really, And it was not because Leader would be
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: where the pair eventually got caught. They were caught by
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: a rookie RCMP fresh out of training, Constable Aaron Ewart,
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: who went off of a hunch he had seen the
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: bulletin put on the evening or put out sorry on
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: the evening of April twenty third, by the Medicine Hat
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: Police to be on the lookout for suspects who were
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: wanted in a triple homicide. It was suspected that leader
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: was their destination, as that's what the homicide or Sorry
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: the medicine Hat police were told from friends and acquaintances
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: of the pair. You weret drove around in his own
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: vehicle most of Sunday night in search, but at two
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: in the morning he decided he'd go get some sleep.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: He would wake up the following morning at five thirty,
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: early enough to be at the main gas station in
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: town before it opened for the day. And sure enough,
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: seven am, a small pickup truck matching the description of
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: the suspect vehicle with Alberta plates pulled up to the
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: gas station. That's like using your nog in, eh no kidding, Like,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: I'm like, well done after driving that.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: Trip, they're going to be needing gas.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, like they were waiting for something to open two,
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: Like they were there in the night or whatever, and
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: they were waiting, So I was just like, that's impressive.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: So I'm not going to go into a lot of
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: detail in their capture and arrest. Jeremy and Jasmine weren't
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: initially visible to Ewart as they were under the canopy
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: of the truck, being that there was enough room for
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: them in the cap. When the friends went inside the
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: gas station to use the bathroom, Jasmine and Jeremy stayed behind,
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: but while inside, they noticed a newspaper with the front
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: page heading a couple boy found dead with a picture
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: Jasmine's house and a picture of Jasmine herself. They were like,
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: utterly shocked.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: Really, they were shocked.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: They said, they were utterly shocked. The girls bought the
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: paper knocked on the canemy's to show Jasmine and Jeremy,
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: with jasmine reaction being to giggle.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: To giggle, she giggled, what the fuck?
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: And Jeremy was basically like, that photo doesn't even look
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: like you. That was literally their reaction to her family's
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: murder being front page of a newspaper.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: Wow, so these friends would have probably heard them saying
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: we're going to kill this family and all this sort
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: of stuff and let's leave town as we hide in
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: the pickup truck box under the canopy.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: Well, they weren't nests like I feel like if there
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: was room, they probably would have gone in the cab,
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: but there wasn't room for them up there, so that's
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: why they were in the back.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: But even still they had they had to have. At
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: one point heard them talk about or someone else of
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: other friends talk about them, saying, you're going to kill
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: their parent.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and one of the like, I'm not. I didn't
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: go much details of the girls, but at one point
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: Jeremy asked, I think it was definitely one of them,
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: it might have been both of them actually to go
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: wipe out his truck and hide it, to which they did.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: They did? They did, they did, they did, they did?
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: What the fuck?
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So if anyone ever asked you to like go
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: wipe out their truck and to hide it, maybe just
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: like call the police. No shit, Yeah yeah.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: Let me wipe your truck out and go hide it. First.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: Well, the wipe garl had a crush on Jeremy.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and if that guy asked you to go the
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: truck and hide it.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: You should just let go of that crush because yeah,
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: no kidding. So the group pulled away and drove to
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: the parking lot of the high school just to like regroup.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: I think little did they know that you were was
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: following when he When his backup arrived, the officers approached
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: the truck, finding Jasmine and Jeremy the back, with Jasmine pantless.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: Ough the teens are you You're just like face disgusting case.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: You're absolutely I should be laughing, but Ben's face, it's
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: just too much. Okay. So the teen girls were gathered
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: and put in the back of Ewart's vehicle, with Jasmine
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: being handcuffed. Jeremy was put in the back of the
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: other officer's car, and as he was he yelled out,
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: tell my mom she can have my TV and then
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: I love her.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: What That's what he says, This fucking guy, you think
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: the TV is the most important thing right now? Him?
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: Ma, Ma.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: Just arrested for murder. But don't worry. I'm going away
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: for thirty years. You can have my TV. It's okay.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: The way you just grabbed your MIC and just like
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: went after that was freaking good.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: That was good. Sorry, that was good.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: Okay. As the girls were being driven to the station,
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: this is fuck, this is fucked. Their biggest worry seemed
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: to be if Jeremy would get charged with raping an
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: underage girl. Since Jasmine got caught with her pants off,
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: that's what they were worried about.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: That was their concern.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: Yeap, and one of the girls told Jasmine to claim
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: that the cops had raped her. They were all taking
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: it very seriously as you could, you can tell.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: Among other things, they were also very disrespectful to the officers,
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: telling them to fuck off, damaging the inside of the
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: police cruiser when they were in there, stealing notepads and pens,
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: and making unauthorized phone calls. Because the population of Leader
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: was like under a thousand, So though the place the
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: police did an amazing job, they weren't necessarily equipped to
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: hold four teenage girls in one adult male right. They
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: didn't have the holding cells for that situation, so they
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: had to keep them in the cruiser at times, and
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: like they were just trying to work with what they had. Yeah,
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: fair enough, And these were they were being little shits.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: They were being cunts, that's what you were trying.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: To say, Yes, I guess, but it's like, did they
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: not realize what the fuck was actually going on?
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: Wow? Apparently like they should.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: Have honestly also got charged for just being little dinks.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: Like I don't know, is that a charge that you
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: can get.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: Your charged for being a little dink. That's a separate
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: charge from having a little dink.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: Anyway, both Jasmine and Jeremy were charged with three counts
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: of first degree murder. For Jasmine, at twelve years old
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: and six months of age, she became the youngest person
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: charged with multiple homicide in Canada.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: Not a badge to be proud of it, No kidding, Okay. So,
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: to touch on Jasmine's and Jeremy's interrogation, they both cracked.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: They both cracked under the pressure fair enough. Jeremy was
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: an emotional wreck. He says, things just kept escalating, they
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: got out of control. I would do anything for Jasmine.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: I tried to talk her out of it, but she
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: wanted it bad. And though Jasmine was pretty much essentially
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: emotionless through most of it. They did, however, get her
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: to write an apology to her parents to help her
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: get it out. But really we're just trying to get
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: as much evidence out of her as possible. Of course,
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: she said, dear my lovely parental units, I am writing
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: in response to the events of Sunday morning. A terrible
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: thing happened, something I always feel was all my fault.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: You must know I love you all dearly and are
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: in my prayers. I wish peace upon your souls in
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: the summer Land. To my little brother, I apologize for
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: letting you hear what had happened, also for causing you
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: pain and for frightening you so much. To my parents,
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: I hope you know that through all this, through all
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: that has happened, I loved you the whole. While I
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: wish I couldn't. I wish I could take everything back.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: I wish it hadn't happened. I wish you were with
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: me right now, because now I have no one. I
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: can pray that you forgive me. And Jeremy too, because
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: he was under the influence of mine altering substance and
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: did it out of love for me. He is most
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: possibly the kindest person I've ever met, his wish being
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: for my happiness. Through all the fights and hatred exchanged,
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: I still loved you, and I'm sorry my sarcasm was
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: taken to heart. I never meant to harm you. I
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: pray you can be at peace somehow.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: That is a whole lot to unpack. I never meant
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: to harm you, and I pray for you. Yet there
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: was that weird prayer poem, yeah, in her locker that
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: we found I don't know.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: I also, I don't know. I was found slightly biased
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: with her because I feel like, especially because in episode
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: one she had gone to counseling with her parents and
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: like seemed like she just like knew how to play
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: the game a little bit, right, mm hmmm, because her
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: parents thought she was changing and like gave her more
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: freedom and stuff, and then instantly she just was like
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: back to her old ways. So it's like, I feel
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: like she's kind of manipulative even how she's what she's
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: done with Jeremy really.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, And there's there's there's a saying of you're
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: not sorry for what happened, You're sorry you got caught,
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: And I think that's exactly what this is. She never
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: anticipated getting caught. She just thought that she'd run off
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: in the sunset and live happily ever after. She didn't
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: even calculate getting caught into it.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's but then things like she's twelve, Yeah, exactly.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: It's so hard to unpack because ken a twelve year
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: old actually be capable of what we feel she is.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: Why not I don't know that just seems so young
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: to me, Like that seems so young to me. But
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: she's matured beyond her years.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: Really well, regardless of matured beyond years or immature, well
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: under your years, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter age
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: or anything. A person can be capable of quite for
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: lack of better words, incredible things. Unbelievable things would be
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: a better term. There we go.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: You just wouldn't expect it from a twelve year old there, You.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: Would not to say that they can't be capable of that,
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: whether it's physical or mental or whatever. Manipulation. Yeah, clearly
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: she is capable of it, because that's exactly what happened.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: So Jasmine and Jeremy also wrote love letters back and
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: forth to each other, and this was like also the
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: interrogator's idea, and I'll spare you, but through these Jeremy
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: actually asked Jasmine to marry him and she said yes,
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: So I guess they were also engaged, all right. Then,
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: once on trial, Jasmine pleaded not guilty. Essentially, the defense
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: wanted the jury to believe that Jasmine was a child
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: victim with Jeremy being her predator, that she never intended
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: for the murders to actually happen, but there was evidence
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: that would be presented to say otherwise. She painted the
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: picture that it was all Jeremy, that she awoke that
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: night to her mother's screams, and that she herself was
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: afraid of Jeremy, that Jeremy would hurt her. But when
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: she was cross examined, things didn't go so well for Jasmine.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: Many holes in Jasmine's story were brought up. If there
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: had been no premeditated plan to kill her family, why
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: had she not phoned nine one one while Jeremy was
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: downstairs murdering her parents. Why didn't she tell her little
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: eight year old brother to run once Jeremy had left
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: the house. Why didn't she check on her family and
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: see if they needed help, see if they were maybe
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: still alive? Right? Instead, she packed a bag and took
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: a cab to Jeremy. I also something I never meant
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: mentioned she didn't have money for the cab, so at
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: one point she had to run down the street to
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: like the seven to eleven, to the bank machine to
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: get money, and there was a clerk there so that
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: would be another opportunity for her to get help.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: Well, and the cab driver themselves.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, or the neighbors. Yep, really anything, right, So Jasmine
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: was actually described and compared as a mini Carla Carla Homolka.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, who.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: Also willingly sacrificed we did this case is the Barbie
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: and Ken killers. Carla also willingly sacrificed a younger sibling
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: for her love. So the jury deliberated for four hours,
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: only four hours, and convicted Jasmine of all accounts on
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: the offenses charged.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: Wow, rightfully?
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: So yeah, jack, okay, and shit, I didn't put this
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: in here. This is brutal. If she had been like
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: done this six months prior before she turned twelve, yeah,
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: she wouldn't have really been I think she was only
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: able to be charged with like parole then because she's
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: so young, right, So her being twelve like made her
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: actually be able to be charged for more.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: Wow. Could you imagine though, if she just was on
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: parole and that's it.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: Well, just wait, dude, it's not good. So Jasmine's sentencing
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: options were limited under the terms of the Youth Criminal
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: Justice Act, taking into account the eighteen months Jasmine had
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: already spent in jail, she was sentenced to four years
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: in custody, which was a rehabilitation program to be followed
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: by four and a half years of community supervision or probation,
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: giving her the maximum sentence possible. So in twenty sixteen,
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: Jasmine walked free.
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: She was described as a poster child of rehabilitation and
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: deemed unlikely to reoffend in her abbas a life. But
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: the scariest part you're gonna freak is Jasmine's youth record
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: will vanish if she commits no offenses for five years
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: after her sentence, which would have been last year. So
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: fully rehabilitated or not, Jasmine could become in a position
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: of power, say a teacher, a nurse, run, a day
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: care caregiver, and no one would know her dark history.
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: Holy fuck, Yeah, okay can I'm gonna go one at
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: a time here first and foremost, I am super happy
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: that she has been rehabilitated. That is incredible.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, but do we know for sure? She's also
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: so young, they're not, we don't know much.
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: Assuming she is, yes, the medical clinic says she is.
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: I'm going to take that at face value and say
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: she is. Yeah, So assuming she is, that is incredible.
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: So happy for that. However, no criminal record.
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it did say that took like her DNA to
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: have in the system or whatever.
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: Well I better hope they have her DNA fing But.
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like this just leaves her so like she could
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: literally go and be a teacher.
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know she's changed her name.
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: Oh one hundred percent. She's very much it said, she's
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: very much so living a discreet life in an undisclosed
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: location in Canada.
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: Wow, she could quite literally be a neighbor of ours.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: She could. Holy fuck, and no one knows. That is
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: terrifying because I'm sorry, if you do something that bad,
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: it needs to stay on there so that you don't
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: have jobs that like with Carla, for example, she wasn't
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: allowed to be around youth or whatever. Yeah, so I
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: mean you can get rid of the record, I guess
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: if that's the rules. But it's like she shouldn't be
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: able to do certain things, uncertain jobs and be around.
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: Certain no kidding, no kidding, that's that is wild. No record,
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: no record, clear clean nothing.
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like it didn't happen.
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: Holy fuck.
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay, So, to very briefly touch on Jeremy, the
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: courts had taped a conversation of Jeremy bragging to an
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: undercover officer of his crimes to incriminate himself in his
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: own words. There was also the blog posts that he
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: did met more people of authority hearing him brag, blood
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: evidence and testimonials from his friends who he tried to
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: recruit to help him with the murders. So he just heated.
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: No favors for himself in this case whatsoever. The defense
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: was trying to build a case for second degree murder
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: as opposed to first That was like the best I
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: think they thought they could do secondary degree of manslaughter,
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: saying Jeremy's extreme state of impairment that night could explain
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: that his actions were impulsive. He was a man with
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: zero self esteem who finally found someone to love him.
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: The jury deliberate for one day with a guilty verdict
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: of first degree murder on all counts, the mandatory sentence
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: being life in prison with no chance of parole for
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: twenty five years.
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: So I mean, honestly, there's and he was serving those
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: at the same time, So technically he could get out
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: at twenty five two and still live a life out
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: of prison.
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: Do you think those two are still in contact?
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: No, because in the book I didn't even put it
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: in here, but because I was just like, fuck Jeremy.
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: I didn't like looking into this, but it did briefly
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: say that he had they had separated or whatever because
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: they kind of like went against each other a little bit, right, Yeah,
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: and that Jeremy was basically with another young person who
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: they were waiting for her to turn eighteen so that
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: they could get married.
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: Oh while this was happening, or while he was in
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: prison in jail. Okay, yeah, wow, fucking that. Oh that gross?
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: Oh well, both of them had, especially Jeremy had like
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: some serious fans and shit fans. Yeah, like followers that
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: were just like so pro them.
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So that's the case.
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: That is disturbing beyond belief. The biggest thing for me, Oh,
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: I can't believe she has no criminal record.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: I knew though nothing really bother you.
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: That really fucking bothers me.
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I feel like too. She wasn't able to buy
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: firearms or something. There was one other tiny thing, but
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: it's just it's so minimal. It's so minimal because she
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: shouldn't be able to just live her life like anyone else.
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, grant you, I get that she was super
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: young when this shit happened, but that is just pretty bad.
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  Speaker 1: Like that's not something that she's gonna be washed under
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: the rug, Like that is brutal what she did.
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, wholeheartedly, fucking monster. Yeah, but I am glad she's rehabilitated.
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: I am glad for that.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'm honestly curious, how like, because neither of them
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: ever really the book said showed any what's the word
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  Speaker 1: like remorse?
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, so.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just curious if she's rehabilitated and stuff. Honestly, how
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: could you live with yourself? No kidding, Like I don't know,
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: I mean rehabilitated. Okay, you're in good headspace and stuff,
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: but you literally killed your family and they're not here anymore,
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: and like you, she wouldn't have anyone, Like, how would she?
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: How would you go about living day to day? Like
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: I feel like that would just be a struggle.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: I sincerely hope that she hears her little brother's voice
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: every night before she goes to bed. That's what I hope.
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, she can't be living a good life if
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: that's the case, then because that would be very traumatizing.
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: This case was traumatizing. Thank you for putting us through that. Yeah,
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: well done, though, what was the book that you read
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: for this.
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: It's called Run No Way Devil Full Name. I had
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: actually just bought it on it's my computer, gonna open
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: up here on Kindle, gotcha.
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: Well, the we put the link in the last episode, right.
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and we'll put it in this one too, honestly,
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: like it was, it was really good read, and there
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: was even more things that I could have touched on.
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: But it's like I probably honestly could have had this
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: in three parts too. There was things I had to
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: leave out and stuff, but so go read it because
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: it was it was very interesting. Every bit of it
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: was just interesting.
• 55:29
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