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Gun-Toting Boyfriend Guns Down Lover's Ex at Kid Pickup, · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A gun wielding man shoots
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Speaker 1: down his girlfriend's X unarmed X and he's not facing charges.
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Speaker 1: What I'm Nancy Grace, this is crime Stories. Thank you
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Speaker 1: for being with us here at Fox Station and serious
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Speaker 1: x M one eleven. Take a listen to this. I'll
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Speaker 1: go get him. Having three fifteen, you're playing games telling
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Speaker 1: me that I didn't. I'm st that's probably where he
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Speaker 1: is working on. I'm done. I three fifteen. I can
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Speaker 1: even breathe. I don't care if you wanted to see
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Speaker 1: him or not. I can't even breath. You want to
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Speaker 1: see if you see him? Up until three fifteen, you
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Speaker 1: keep trying to keep my son from me. I'm fating
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Speaker 1: to drag you and Anne, Marie and everybody else in
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Speaker 1: the corn. I'm your mom, I'm I believe it right,
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Speaker 1: but I'll take your cane one son. Call nine one one,
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Speaker 1: Call na one, Call one one. You're hearing it as
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Speaker 1: it happens. That would be the first thing I would
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Speaker 1: play to a jury in this case. You hear her
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Speaker 1: words and argument about what time the pickup of the
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Speaker 1: little boy, the boy the dead guy shares with the girlfriend.
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Speaker 1: They're arguing about what time the pickup was supposed to be.
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Speaker 1: Then he says, I'm taking you to court. We're gonna
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Speaker 1: we're gonna hammer this out in front of judge, a judge,
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna subpoena you and your mother. And then all
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Speaker 1: of a sudden, voices are raised and you hear bam bam,
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Speaker 1: and it's over. A life is gone, and in that moment,
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Speaker 1: three children are left without a father, just like that again,
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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace, thank you for being with us. You
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Speaker 1: were hearing cell phone video by Jennifer Reid and it
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Speaker 1: was aired on CASEBD eleven and there are no charges.
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Speaker 1: You could shoot down an unarmed man when you've got
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Speaker 1: a long gun in your hand, loaded and locked, and
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Speaker 1: there are no charges with me, an all star panel
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Speaker 1: makes sense of what we know right now. First of all,
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Speaker 1: high profile lawyer, former Assistant States Attorney joining us, author
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Speaker 1: of constitutional soundbites and creating the Declaration of Independence. Wow,
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Speaker 1: that's impressive. David Shastokas is with us. Karen Stark, renowned
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Speaker 1: psychologists joining us from New York. You can find her
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Speaker 1: at Karen Stark dot com. That's Karen with a C.
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Speaker 1: Lisa Daddio, former police Lieutenant Senior lecturer and director for
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Speaker 1: Center for Advanced Policing at New Haven's Forensic Science Department.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crown's Chief Medical Examiner, Tarrant County. That's Fort
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Speaker 1: Worth Lecturer, University Texas and Texas A and M and
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Speaker 1: On faculty at the University of Texas Medical Branch. But
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Speaker 1: first joining US special guest Case Will Banks anchor reporter CASEBD.
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Speaker 1: That's News Channel eleven in Lubbock, Case, what in the world. Look,
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Speaker 1: I love Texas as many people say Texas should be
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Speaker 1: its own country. But I don't get it. This guy
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Speaker 1: guns down his girlfriend's X. Let me get this straight.
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Speaker 1: Who comes for a pickup off his son, The son
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Speaker 1: apparently is not ready or they're arguing about the time
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Speaker 1: of the pickup, and all of a sudden he's gunned down.
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Speaker 1: Is that what happened? Essentially, that is what happened. And
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Speaker 1: you know, these were questions we were asking right off
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Speaker 1: the bat. We knew this was going to be a
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Speaker 1: very unique case in when we would be following. There
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Speaker 1: was actually, within thirty minutes of that shooting, another one
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Speaker 1: in Lobbook with the same circumstances The department described. You know,
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Speaker 1: guys with the Case will Banks joining us in Case
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Speaker 1: b D right there in Loveock. I want you to
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Speaker 1: Case to take a listen to our friend Christy Hart
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Speaker 1: and eleven knees. This moves ahead a few seconds. I
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Speaker 1: have it on video. Kyle, you did it and I
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Speaker 1: hadn't hold you. I told Gord y'all to we came
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Speaker 1: to get hurt. His son's not here. She should have
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Speaker 1: told that. She should have told that Yauld be here.
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Speaker 1: None of y'all should be here. I asked you to leave.
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Speaker 1: I did everything. I didn't not want to do any
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Speaker 1: of this, none on one. Car Ruth's attorney David Gwynn
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Speaker 1: tells CASEYBD, it's clear this is self defense. I believe
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Speaker 1: it confirms that the love of police's thorough work reflects
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Speaker 1: this is a justified homicide. Okay, I want to go
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Speaker 1: back to Case Wilbanks joining us, and remember, everybody on
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Speaker 1: the panel, this ain't no tea party jump in. You're
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Speaker 1: not at High Grove. Case Wilbanks, CASEYBD. Let's go through
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Speaker 1: the video very carefully, very upsetting, guys, because you see
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Speaker 1: someone actually getting shot, shot dead, and it all starts
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Speaker 1: at it seems to be a lovely home and they've
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Speaker 1: got their little porch furniture on the front yard. And
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Speaker 1: you see the victim in this case. You see him
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Speaker 1: Chad Reid, age fifty four. He's got his blue jeans
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Speaker 1: and his tennis shoes. Looks like he's just coming. What
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Speaker 1: day of the week with this case, Wilbanks, This was
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Speaker 1: on a Friday, a Friday afternoon, so we know a
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Speaker 1: children are home from school. He's over there and you
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Speaker 1: see him. He's wagging his finger at his X who
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Speaker 1: was out, the girlfriend of the suspect, Kyle Caruth, age
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Speaker 1: thirty nine. He's wagging his finger and he's telling or
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Speaker 1: given her the business. He's pointing inside. I can imagine
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Speaker 1: he's saying something like, you're supposed to have him ready
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Speaker 1: when I come to pick him up. So here it
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Speaker 1: comes out comes the shooter, Kyle Carruth. And though they're
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Speaker 1: button chess, why why don't men do that? Anyway, they're
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Speaker 1: butting chest and he gets the gun, he's got it
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Speaker 1: up in the air. They struggle and then with the
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Speaker 1: victim at about I would say seven or eight feet unarmed,
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Speaker 1: shoots him. Did I miss anything? Case? That's essentially it.
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Speaker 1: And when that escalates when Chad steps up onto the porch.
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Speaker 1: That's when things get very dangerous, and some of those
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Speaker 1: questions could come into was his self defense and was
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Speaker 1: he on his property now that he was up on
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Speaker 1: the porch, and that sort of thing, and then that's
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Speaker 1: where the whole self defense argument and this castle doctor
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Speaker 1: and it's known comes into play. Hold on, you know
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Speaker 1: what case? You got me drinking on the fire, Hydra.
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Speaker 1: Here you get to me a lot of information at once,
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Speaker 1: more than I can take in. Let me bring in
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Speaker 1: our high profile expert, David Shastokus. Did I get that right?
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Speaker 1: You got that perfect NANCA cases right on this issue
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Speaker 1: a minute, David, here's my question with the castle doctrine,
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Speaker 1: which means you're the king or your castle or the queen,
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Speaker 1: the victim, the dead victim, father of three hat It's
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Speaker 1: not like he's a burglar. It was arranged for him
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Speaker 1: to be there. He was supposed to be in that location.
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Speaker 1: I've studied this case a lot since it happened. There's
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Speaker 1: a big difference and a burglar sticking his foot through
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Speaker 1: your kitchen window and dad on the front porch waiting
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Speaker 1: for his child to come out. He the victim in
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Speaker 1: this case, the dead guy Chad Reid, was where he
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Speaker 1: was supposed to be. Yeah, he was giving his ex
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Speaker 1: the what too about not having the children ready or
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Speaker 1: whatever custody argument they're fighting about. But it's not like
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Speaker 1: he's a trespasser, is it. Well, he becomes he apparently
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Speaker 1: becomes a trespasser when he's done around the court on
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Speaker 1: the porch. Texas castle doctrine is in fact encoded in
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Speaker 1: Texas law, and it's that it's it's fairly strong and
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Speaker 1: typically aqui. You're talking like a lawyer again, David when
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Speaker 1: you say things like encoded in Texas law, that it's
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Speaker 1: been black and why it is in the criminal Code.
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Speaker 1: It's the law by statute, not case law. Okay, go ahead,
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Speaker 1: tell me about it. Yeah, that's correct. It is. It
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Speaker 1: is a law by statute in Texas that allows people
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Speaker 1: to defend defend their home and their property in fact
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Speaker 1: that it includes their vehicle or the place of business.
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Speaker 1: It's it's quite broad, definitely nision of your castle in
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Speaker 1: the in the code it's called habitation. So your car
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Speaker 1: can be your castle under the law. Yes, yes, your
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Speaker 1: car could be your castle under the law. Your place
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Speaker 1: of business can be your castle under the law in
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Speaker 1: Texas and including your home, and home goes beyond that.
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Speaker 1: What one would consider like inside the home would include
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Speaker 1: what would we would define it as a lawyer thing
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Speaker 1: kind of curdle. You know, I was just going to
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Speaker 1: ask you that, because he didn't. He never, the victim
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Speaker 1: never went into the shooter's home. He was in the
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Speaker 1: front yard and then got up on the porch. And
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Speaker 1: the porch is about it looks like maybe five inches
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Speaker 1: off the ground. I mean it's one step. So it's
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Speaker 1: not like he's in the home right like he's in
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Speaker 1: the home, but that's in the within the course of
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Speaker 1: the property. That's within the property, within the habitation, according
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Speaker 1: to Texas law, and where where he apparently made what
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Speaker 1: became his fatal mistake. I'm telling you there's gonna be
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Speaker 1: a problem with that. And here's the problem. Curtilage can
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Speaker 1: be the outhouse. It can be the ship in the backyard.
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Speaker 1: It can be the playhouse of the children, it can
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Speaker 1: be the garage, it can be your whole yard. In offense,
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Speaker 1: So where does stand your ground or your castle law?
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Speaker 1: Where does that end? If he's at the edge of
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Speaker 1: the yard, it's in the curtilage. Can you shoot him?
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Speaker 1: Then it's it's pretty well, I don't say about it. See,
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Speaker 1: in terms of used it, we now come to a
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Speaker 1: different issue of whether or not he was entitled to
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Speaker 1: use steadily force. You can protect your castle, but there's
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Speaker 1: still limitations on whether or not you can use deadly force.
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Speaker 1: And that's it when it and certainly typically again you
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Speaker 1: cannot use deadly force just for words. And where where
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Speaker 1: read apparently runs a follow this situation is when he
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Speaker 1: steps hey, hey, well you use shooter and victim, because
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Speaker 1: when when when you say hey, there's two hey is involved.
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Speaker 1: Plus there's the girlfriend who's the mother of the child,
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Speaker 1: she's screaming, somebody's filming it all h E double l's
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Speaker 1: breaking loose. So who is it? Absolutely is when when
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Speaker 1: the guy who ultimately becomes the victim steps up on
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Speaker 1: the porch and then engages in this chest bumping business,
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Speaker 1: it's now escalated beyond mere words. And that's the that's
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Speaker 1: the that's the issue of that. I was facing the
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Speaker 1: Grand Jury time stories with Nancy Grace. I had a question, Karen, start,
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Speaker 1: what's with the chest bumping? What's I mean? Why guys
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Speaker 1: do it all the time? What is that I would
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Speaker 1: no more run up to Jackie here in the studio
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Speaker 1: and do a chess bump with her than the man
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Speaker 1: in the moon. What is that I'd like to see
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Speaker 1: you do a chess thank you. I'll analyze that in
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Speaker 1: fall later. But but if you look at Nancy, even
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Speaker 1: in the honest way in the Adam of Kingdom, if
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Speaker 1: you look at gorillas, they do that all the time.
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Speaker 1: It's it's this aggressive, you know, way of saying, you
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Speaker 1: get her back down because something's gonna happy. And this
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Speaker 1: isn't the friendly chest bump that you see on commercials
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Speaker 1: and at ball games. They they're they're really like that
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Speaker 1: on each other. They can bite each other's nose off.
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Speaker 1: They're that close in anger. And then it all goes
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Speaker 1: to h double L when he pulls that long gun
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Speaker 1: you know, to you Lisa am Daddy go former police lieutenant.
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Speaker 1: Now she's the director of Center for Advanced Policing at
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Speaker 1: University New Haven, a forensic science department. Lisa Daddy, I've
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Speaker 1: said this before. One of my dearest friends is a
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Speaker 1: defense attorney, a female defense attorney. She has a specialty dopers.
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Speaker 1: You can sell it on the street. You can sell
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Speaker 1: it on the corner. You can be caught with it.
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Speaker 1: You can be a drug lord. She's nothing but dope.
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Speaker 1: She says, she'd rather try a drug lord or defend
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Speaker 1: a killer as opposed to sticking her hand in the
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Speaker 1: middle of a custody fight. Because those people will come
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Speaker 1: by your house, the lawyer at supper timing, take a
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Speaker 1: shot right through your picture window when you walk by. Yes,
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Speaker 1: they get that crazy about as I would about custody.
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Speaker 1: I mean, try to take the twins away from me.
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Speaker 1: You're looking down the wrong end of a barrel would
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Speaker 1: be the way I would suggest it. But that it
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Speaker 1: makes people crazy, Lisa, how many cases have you seen?
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Speaker 1: This could have been settled with words, they could have argued.
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Speaker 1: But now we've got this father, he's got two other children,
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Speaker 1: he's a father of three. Dad. Yeah, you know, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: it's it's such a bizarre thing, and unfortunately we see
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Speaker 1: it too often. Um, And to your point, it always
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Speaker 1: stems from these domestic custody like bring children involved and
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Speaker 1: try to keep a child from a parent, whether it's
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Speaker 1: a mom or a dad, Like it goes to a
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Speaker 1: whole certain level where there's no rationalization. A lot of times, Um,
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Speaker 1: and it's that whole protecting of the child, I think.
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Speaker 1: But for me, what is concerning, you know about this
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Speaker 1: case is why does the guy have a rifle? Oh wait, wait, wait,
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Speaker 1: play see I mean you're not going Second Amendment on
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Speaker 1: me because we're not doing that. I'm not. Y'all can
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Speaker 1: fight about it, but we have it's not going away done.
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Speaker 1: I'm all four of the Second Amendment as well. Nancy. However,
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Speaker 1: it's it comes back to your You're having a verbal
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Speaker 1: dispute with somebody on your property, and then it goes
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Speaker 1: from chest you know, chess pumping or whichever, to now
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Speaker 1: a deadly force incident. Now, why bring out a gun?
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Speaker 1: He has the right and the authority to bring out
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Speaker 1: the gun, and the guy is ultimately the victim. Was
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Speaker 1: that was kind of dumb to go toward a guy
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Speaker 1: with a gun too. That doesn't mean he should be dead,
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Speaker 1: but that's there was no doubt a fatal error on
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Speaker 1: his part that the other guy was able to bring
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Speaker 1: out the gun. He didn't break any laws in bringing
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Speaker 1: out the gun. No he didn't, it says front porch,
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Speaker 1: and can have as many guns out there as he wants.
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Speaker 1: Hey case Wilbanks joining us casey b DNI's Channel eleven.
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Speaker 1: There's another another, for lack of a better word, trigger
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Speaker 1: did it. The victim, the dad, the dead dad, Chad
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Speaker 1: Reid say something like I'm gonna kill you. He didn't
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Speaker 1: have a gun. The other guy has a gun, but
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Speaker 1: he said he threatened I'm going to kill you. He
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Speaker 1: actually in the video and you can hear him when
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Speaker 1: he brings out the gun. He's actually says I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: take that, something along the lines of I'm going to
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Speaker 1: take that away from you. Of course, curses that him,
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Speaker 1: calls him another name, and then actually reaches for the
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Speaker 1: gun later too, as he said, take it away from him.
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Speaker 1: That's when they spin around and now Kyle Cruth is
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Speaker 1: actually away from his home, facing his home. Chad Reid
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Speaker 1: is still on the porch, and then that's when those
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Speaker 1: shots are fired. I'm looking exactly at the trashcot. Who
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Speaker 1: was videoing this case. It's actually Jennifer Reid. She had
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Speaker 1: just recently gotten married to Chad Reid. She's in a
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Speaker 1: pickup out in the driveway, so to speak, and is
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Speaker 1: videoing it toward the home. So let me ask you
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Speaker 1: this case, will bikes, How does a Texas judge get
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Speaker 1: in the mix. So Kyle Cruth at the time that
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Speaker 1: this shooting was married to the seventies second district judge
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Speaker 1: in Lubbock County. Shelta covers Crosby County and Marie Caruth.
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Speaker 1: So she was appointed by Governor Greg Abbott to that position.
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Speaker 1: A minute, wait a minute, all these names. Okay, So
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Speaker 1: we've got a judge in the mixed state court, judge
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Speaker 1: Anne Marie Caruth. She is married to the shooter, William
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Speaker 1: Kyl Caruth. So Kyle Carruth comes running out with a
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Speaker 1: gun along, gun slinging around, pointing at and there's nothing
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Speaker 1: in the constitution it says you can't have a gun
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Speaker 1: on your own front porch. So he's married to a
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Speaker 1: judge and he guns down Chad Read, the dad of three. Okay,
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Speaker 1: tell me how why is Chad the victim there to
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Speaker 1: start with? So he was there to pick up his
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Speaker 1: youngest child, was actually looking for his youngest child. He
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Speaker 1: was apparently supposed to have custody of the child at
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Speaker 1: three fifteen. You hear that in the video several times.
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Speaker 1: So actually, in some court documents followed by Jennifer Reid
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Speaker 1: following the shooting as she claims that Christina, Chad's ex wife,
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Speaker 1: had kind of lured him there, said that she wanted
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Speaker 1: to see him there to pick up the child, and
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Speaker 1: then they're arguing over where that child is. She's saying
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Speaker 1: he's not here, and Chad just they're trying to find
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Speaker 1: his youngest, youngest child. Okay, Yeah, you've got the victim,
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Speaker 1: Chad Reid, wife Jennifer Reid, ex wife, Christina Reid, and
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Speaker 1: then you've got the state judge, state court judge who
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Speaker 1: was married to the shooter. Okay, so you've got the wife,
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Speaker 1: Jennifer Reid and the ex wife, Christina Reid. Why would
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Speaker 1: she lure him there? So that's another claim that Jennifer
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Speaker 1: makes in court documents that Christina lured him there to
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Speaker 1: what Jennifer claims was to be shot, to be murdered.
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Speaker 1: That's in some of the claims that she makes following
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Speaker 1: the shooting. To doctor Kendall Crowns, Chief Medical Examiner, Tarrant County,
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Speaker 1: Fort Worth, Doctor Kendall Crowns, how many of the autopsies
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Speaker 1: you perform, how many of them relate to domestic violence?
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Speaker 1: The best violence is actually fairly common. Right off the top,
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Speaker 1: of my head. I couldn't give you a percentage, but
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Speaker 1: I know that it's It's one of the more common
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Speaker 1: reasons why we see people get into the altercations that
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Speaker 1: wind up getting into ending up on a slab in
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Speaker 1: your offer, and then getting murdered. Correct, it's very common, guys,
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Speaker 1: A horrific mom when a gun wielding man guns down
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Speaker 1: his partners, eggs husband after a heated child custody row.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friend Christy harton eleven knees.
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Speaker 1: This is Christina Reid on the right and Chad Read
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Speaker 1: in green on the left. Jennifer Reid wrote in the
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Speaker 1: document that Christina Reid and Kyle Carruth were having an affair,
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Speaker 1: and according to the filing, Chad Reid was there to
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Speaker 1: pick up his youngest son. Keep trying to keep my
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Speaker 1: son for me. I'm to drag you Andrie and everybody else.
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Speaker 1: This is when Caruth steps outside with a gun. Ye
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Speaker 1: seeing the weapon, Reid appears to tell Caruth he'd better
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Speaker 1: use the gun or read will take it and use
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Speaker 1: it on him chest the chest. The men shout at
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Speaker 1: each other, then Carruth lowers the weapon to fire a
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Speaker 1: shot at the porch by Reid's feet. Read advances on
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Speaker 1: Carruth and the two starts struggling over the weapon. That's
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Speaker 1: when Carruth gets a couple yards away from Read, raises
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Speaker 1: the weapon and fires. We are not showing you the
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Speaker 1: next portion of the video. In it, Read's body is
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Speaker 1: lying motionless on the porch. Case Wilbanks CASEYBD. How many
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Speaker 1: children are in the home at the time Daddy is
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Speaker 1: gunned down dead. Well, actually, that's something that we still
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Speaker 1: don't know because actually that was Kyle Caruth's place of business,
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Speaker 1: apparently Christina's place of business, and the child that Chad
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Speaker 1: was looking for, she says, was not there. And in
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Speaker 1: the video you can hear Chad saying that he has
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Speaker 1: sent police to Christina's mother's home because he believes that's
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Speaker 1: where the child actually is. So we don't believe that
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Speaker 1: actually children are inside at that time. Well, that's good,
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Speaker 1: it's good and bad. It's good because didn't witness Daddy
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Speaker 1: getting gunned down in the front yard. And it's bad
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Speaker 1: in a sense that why would he have been sent
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Speaker 1: to a place of business to pick up a child
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Speaker 1: that wasn't there. It kind of sounds like he was
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Speaker 1: lured there, right, And that's some of the claims that
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Speaker 1: Jennifer makes in in court documents. That's why that she
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Speaker 1: was actually involving Kyle Cruz's business in some of the suits.
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Speaker 1: He's a developer in this area, home construction business, and
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Speaker 1: so that's why she involves those businesses in some of
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Speaker 1: the suits that she met. This structure that looks like
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Speaker 1: a home, what business is there? We believe it's his
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Speaker 1: development business. In some of the court documents, actually Chad
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Speaker 1: Reid's family says that that was owned by Cruse's parents
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Speaker 1: at home and apparently this is where he operates out
23:57
Speaker 1: of developing what homes like home construction. That's the thing.
24:01
Speaker 1: So therefore, key people here. You've got the dad, Dad,
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Speaker 1: who is Chad Reid. You got his wife, Jennifer Reid.
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Speaker 1: You've got his ex wife, Christina read the guy she's
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Speaker 1: dating now, the sheeter Kyle Caruth. So I've got one woman,
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Speaker 1: one odd woman out the state court judge and Marie Caruth.
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Speaker 1: Who's she with? Are they? Are they divorced or divorcing?
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Speaker 1: They have they were in the process at the time
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Speaker 1: of this shooting that finalized on November nineteen. You know,
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Speaker 1: I'm very curious when these charges were brought up, was
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Speaker 1: anyone making the charging decisions connected to the state court
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Speaker 1: judge in anyway where Actually, that is why if I,
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Speaker 1: if I made no chargers have been brought right, there
24:59
Speaker 1: were no charges that and that's and that's of course
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Speaker 1: the issue, and one of the important things that I've
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Speaker 1: yet to understand is why the police never arrested this
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Speaker 1: guy in the first place, could think of anything to
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Speaker 1: do with it. It's the judges x that I think
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Speaker 1: that you know, he and the judge were still married
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Speaker 1: at that particular point in time, Okay, and that's no
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Speaker 1: a rat right now, guys, take a listen to our
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Speaker 1: cut nine. This is Grace Morris k LBK my son,
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Speaker 1: her next husband. I'm recording it. Oh my god. After
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Speaker 1: their initial investigation, LPD did not charge or arrest Kruth
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Speaker 1: Jennifer also releasing on Wednesday a petition to get full
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Speaker 1: custody of Chad's children from their mother, Chad's ex wife,
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Speaker 1: Christina Reid, saying in the Affidavid Christina has quote endangered
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Speaker 1: the physical and mental well being of the children by
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Speaker 1: permitting them to be in the presence of the man
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Speaker 1: who killed their father, but Kyle Gruth's atturn. David Guinn
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Speaker 1: says what Kyle did was done in self defense, saying, quote,
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Speaker 1: all Texans may lawfully brandish a firearm to protect themselves,
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Speaker 1: their property, and their business. Her full study of the
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Speaker 1: video showed Kyle's gun was brandish, but never pointed at read.
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Speaker 1: It was only after mister Reid said I'll take your
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Speaker 1: gun and slinging him across the patio like a scarecrow,
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Speaker 1: then stepped toward him that mister Caruth pointed the gun
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Speaker 1: at mister Reid. I guess it's all a matter of interpretation,
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Speaker 1: which I find best left to a jury. To doctor
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Speaker 1: Kendall Crown's chief medical Examiner, Tarrant County fort Worth, What
26:34
Speaker 1: were the injuries precisely and how long did it take
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Speaker 1: Chad Reid to bleed out dead play? His injuries were.
26:42
Speaker 1: He had gunshot wounds of his body and probably would
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Speaker 1: have taken him a matter of minutes to bleed out
26:48
Speaker 1: from the injuries he received. What do you think he
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Speaker 1: would have been aware of lying there in the front
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Speaker 1: yard dying. I mean, as he's slowly bleeding out, he's
26:56
Speaker 1: probably aware of his surrounding. He's just slowly losing consciousness,
27:03
Speaker 1: and everything's kind of going gray black until he passes out.
27:06
Speaker 1: But he's probably aware of all the screaming and the
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Speaker 1: yelling around him, and the fact that he's been shot,
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Speaker 1: and he's probably in pain at that point too. Karen
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Speaker 1: start joining me, renowned psychologists joining the side of Manhattan. Karen,
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Speaker 1: And this is the way death comes. It comes on
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Speaker 1: an afternoon pickup of your son. It comes at the
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Speaker 1: workplace by a guy with a gun. It comes in
27:33
Speaker 1: a mugging or a carjackie you never expect. It comes
27:36
Speaker 1: when you walk in a gas station to pay for
27:39
Speaker 1: your gas and somebody's in there with the gun on
27:42
Speaker 1: the manager. It just it's such a harsh dichotomy because
27:46
Speaker 1: when you look at the video, it seems to be
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Speaker 1: a bright, sunny afternoon. Everything's great, the world is spinning,
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Speaker 1: the birds are singing, and bam, a father of three
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Speaker 1: is dead over what the son being at the wrong location.
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Speaker 1: It's very disturbing. Yeah, Nancy, It's especially disturbing because you're
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Speaker 1: not talking about an accident. You know, it's not a
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Speaker 1: sudden car crash or HIJACKI Anloyd, someone you walk into
28:18
Speaker 1: a restaurant. Here there are two men that are arguing,
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Speaker 1: and it's really hard to understand why this, because especially
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Speaker 1: custody case children involved, nobody is rational. Why didn't it
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Speaker 1: stay an argument between the husband and the wife. I
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Speaker 1: don't understand why the boyfriend who didn't even live with her,
28:41
Speaker 1: is there all of a sudden getting himself involved. Time
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Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace Davids joining us high profile lawyer
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Speaker 1: and author David Is this a legitimate self defense? The
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Speaker 1: question always becomes one of reasonable Nancy, I it does,
29:19
Speaker 1: and usually that has to do with whether or not
29:21
Speaker 1: you can use deadly force in an altercation with an
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Speaker 1: essentially an unarmed individual. And but this has always been
29:33
Speaker 1: fairly strange from the beginning, because from the beginning this
29:37
Speaker 1: matter in a typical circumstance when somebody is a sad
29:40
Speaker 1: we have a dead guy and we have a guy
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Speaker 1: with a gun, the guy with the gun gets locked up,
29:45
Speaker 1: and that never happened to begin with. So this has
29:47
Speaker 1: always been very, very strange from the beginning. And so
29:51
Speaker 1: then after the three days of the testimony before the
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Speaker 1: grand jury, they the grand jury decided that there was
29:58
Speaker 1: going to be a no bill. That is, the they
30:00
Speaker 1: would not issue an indatement. And that was also rather
30:04
Speaker 1: curious because self defense or even Castle doctrines, or what
30:08
Speaker 1: one calls an affirmative defense, that is, the defense has
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Speaker 1: to put on evidence of that situation. And now here's
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Speaker 1: an easy way to explain it, David Atokas. For instance,
30:19
Speaker 1: in insanity that is anne as David just pointed out,
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Speaker 1: affirmative defense in that you say, to plead insanity, you
30:29
Speaker 1: say I did it, but I was insane, So it's
30:34
Speaker 1: a proactive affirmative defense. As in castle doctrine, you say
30:40
Speaker 1: I shot, I did it, but it was Castle doctrine.
30:46
Speaker 1: In other words, David Stokas, I'm surprised to quote the
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Speaker 1: guy with the gun wasn't at least arrested. David, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's what said. That's what's curious about this whole thing
30:56
Speaker 1: from the beginning, Nancy, that he was not arrested from
30:59
Speaker 1: the beginning, and you have to believe that his status
31:03
Speaker 1: as the husband of a local judge may have had
31:06
Speaker 1: some impact on the decision. Guys, um, I want you
31:11
Speaker 1: to take a listen to what the defense lawyer for
31:16
Speaker 1: the shooter, Kyle Carruth, has to say. These are our
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Speaker 1: phrasy K C B D. Listen to the lawyer. Gwinn
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Speaker 1: said Reid should have left the scene. Mister Caruth came
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Speaker 1: out the door, the gun point in the air, told
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Speaker 1: him to leave. Most people would have. Mister Reid then
31:35
Speaker 1: chose to advance on mister Caruth. They were taste face.
31:40
Speaker 1: Mister Reid said he'd take the gun and kill him
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Speaker 1: with it. The gun went off into the patio. That
31:44
Speaker 1: still didn't determine. Mister Reid then grabbed the gun to
31:47
Speaker 1: try to kill Kyle and slung Kyle like a rag
31:50
Speaker 1: one hundred eighty degrees to his patio. And you watch
31:53
Speaker 1: the video slowly, you see that left knee coming up.
31:55
Speaker 1: Kyle's coming at him again. You know, split second reactions twice.
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Speaker 1: It's right. According to court filings, Chad's widow, Jennifer, says
32:07
Speaker 1: she should be granted custody of the children for their
32:10
Speaker 1: well being. She claims the children are currently quote in
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Speaker 1: the presence of the man that murdered their father. This
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Speaker 1: case is now in the hands of the Texas Attorney
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Speaker 1: General's office. No arrests were made after the shooting, and
32:21
Speaker 1: no criminal charges have been filed. You know that's not exactly,
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Speaker 1: Case Will Banks, anchor and reporter CASEBD at news Channel
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Speaker 1: E Love. That's not exactly the way I see the
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Speaker 1: video because when I see the shooting, the actual pulling
32:41
Speaker 1: the trigger, the shooter is at a distance from the
32:46
Speaker 1: dead victim. It's not like he's about to get punched
32:49
Speaker 1: in the face. But on the other hand, it's all
32:51
Speaker 1: happening so quickly. To dissect it by milliseconds isn't really fair.
32:59
Speaker 1: So what was the actual threat as you see the
33:03
Speaker 1: video case at the time the trigger is pulled. I
33:07
Speaker 1: believe it was because at that point, as the attorney
33:12
Speaker 1: describes it, they were slung around, and you see that
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Speaker 1: in the video. But now Caruth is away from his
33:19
Speaker 1: home and Chad Reid is between his home and him,
33:24
Speaker 1: and so he may proceed that as a threat that
33:26
Speaker 1: now Chad Reid has the upper hand because maybe he's
33:30
Speaker 1: in control of the situation next to his home, but
33:34
Speaker 1: he still unarmed. Reid is unarmed, correct, it was just
33:39
Speaker 1: immediately after he was slung around, he pulls the trigger
33:43
Speaker 1: and fire. So what was going through his head at
33:46
Speaker 1: that time, I'm not sure, but that's kind of the
33:49
Speaker 1: set up there that Caruth is now maybe in defense
33:53
Speaker 1: of his home, because Chad Reid may have the upper hands,
33:57
Speaker 1: so to speak. Yeah, yeah, his business, Li said Daddio.
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Speaker 1: I agree with Davis, just docus in that castle doctrine
34:08
Speaker 1: is an affirmative defense, and that's absolutely for eight. I
34:14
Speaker 1: would think a finder of fact, like a grand jury,
34:18
Speaker 1: to decide their finder's a fact, but not to even
34:23
Speaker 1: take the seeter into custody. None of that makes sense
34:26
Speaker 1: to me, to be quite honest with you, you know,
34:30
Speaker 1: listening to everything, excuse me, and everybody's viewpoints, and given
34:36
Speaker 1: the microscope that law enforcement in general is under throughout
34:40
Speaker 1: this country, why are we not dotting all our eyes
34:44
Speaker 1: and crossing all our teeth? And especially when you know
34:49
Speaker 1: the parties in this case are connected to the community,
34:53
Speaker 1: you'd want to do everything by the book and leave
34:57
Speaker 1: it up to the Trier's a fact, as you pointed out, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: you know that's the key to case Will Banks. Does
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Speaker 1: the judge, judge Amrie Kreuth, have a child by Kyle Caruth? Yeah,
35:10
Speaker 1: I'm not aware of, but I don't believe so there
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Speaker 1: was never any mention of any child and any divorce
35:16
Speaker 1: proceedings or anything like that. I think you're right, guys,
35:20
Speaker 1: take a listen to our cut ten. This is Ryan
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Speaker 1: Chandler kay A MC. After nearly three weeks of searching
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Speaker 1: for answers, Chad Reid's widow tells us she's ready to
35:31
Speaker 1: end the speculation and show the public exactly what happened
35:34
Speaker 1: when Kyle Caruth fatally shot Chad Reid on November fifth.
35:38
Speaker 1: She claims Kyle Caruth should be arrested for murder, yet
35:42
Speaker 1: no charges have been filed, while Kyle Caruth's lawyer, David Wynn,
35:46
Speaker 1: has also shown us a video from another perspective, saying
35:49
Speaker 1: he believes that it supports Kyle's claim of self defense.
36:00
Speaker 1: Hold nine one one, Oh my god, hold hold nine
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Speaker 1: one one when you look at it very very carefully
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Speaker 1: and dissect it by the millisecond. I don't know if
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Speaker 1: the police decision not to immediately rest Caruth is going
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Speaker 1: to stand. There are new developments raids widows seeking custody
36:25
Speaker 1: of the children to Ukse Wilbanks. What is the basis
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Speaker 1: for that? Well, she says that she should have custody
36:32
Speaker 1: of the children because Christina Reid has them in um,
36:38
Speaker 1: you know the premises if you will or just with
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Speaker 1: Kyle Caruth because they are together, who she calls, you know,
36:44
Speaker 1: the murderer of her husband and saying the children shouldn't
36:48
Speaker 1: be with him. She also claimed in court documents that
36:53
Speaker 1: she should have custody because of Kyle Cruz's mental stage.
36:56
Speaker 1: She believes he is not in his right mind and
36:59
Speaker 1: she should have custody of the children. That case was
37:02
Speaker 1: actually dismissed later on in January of this year, and so,
37:09
Speaker 1: through her attorney, Jennifer Reid hopes that blood relatives of
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Speaker 1: the children will do something then intervened in the situation. Well,
37:17
Speaker 1: the case did go to a special grand jury in
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Speaker 1: love At County, Texas. Take a listen to our cut
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Speaker 1: thirteen CACBD fast forward. A couple more weeks, Read's mother
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Speaker 1: and three children filed another wrongful death lawsuit against Caruth.
37:33
Speaker 1: The state assigned a judge from San Antonio to oversee
37:36
Speaker 1: those proceedings. Then this past Tuesday, state prosecutors convened a
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Speaker 1: special grand jury in Lobott County. They presented the panel
37:45
Speaker 1: with testimony from witnesses, evidence that was not publicly released
37:50
Speaker 1: Thursday evening. That panel elected to not indict Caruth on
37:54
Speaker 1: any criminal charges related to Reed's death. With the criminal
37:58
Speaker 1: proceedings out of the way, Karen and under Jennifer Reid's
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Speaker 1: attorney promises to pursue the family's civil actions aggressively to
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Speaker 1: case Wilbanks case CBD. What was the grand juries thinking?
38:10
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a secret grand jury, All grand juries
38:13
Speaker 1: are secret, But what was the thinking? Well, the Attorney
38:17
Speaker 1: General's office says that they were actually, you know, deliberating
38:21
Speaker 1: over this case for about three days, presenting the case
38:25
Speaker 1: with you know, several eyewitnesses, the family of Chad Reid,
38:29
Speaker 1: we know Jennifer Reid testified to the grand jury, and
38:32
Speaker 1: then the Attorney General's Office says that there were was
38:35
Speaker 1: additional evidence that was not previously released to the public.
38:38
Speaker 1: We don't know what that is, of course, but apparently
38:42
Speaker 1: they decided that Kyle Cruz had the right to shoot
38:47
Speaker 1: Chad Reid and shouldn't be charged with any sort of
38:51
Speaker 1: you know, criminal charges, whether that be murder or anything else.
38:56
Speaker 1: Who knows how this is ultimately going to shake out.
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Speaker 1: Right now, a grand jury has chosen not to indict
39:04
Speaker 1: the shooter, but civil lawsuits are piling up. What will
39:10
Speaker 1: we learn from the civil lawsuits? Because to you Davidstokas
39:14
Speaker 1: and civil lawsuits. Since there's no criminal charges, all the
39:19
Speaker 1: parties that are still living can be brought in to testify.
39:22
Speaker 1: They can't plead the fifth. What if they say something
39:26
Speaker 1: so damning that it has to go back to a
39:30
Speaker 1: grand jury, Well they can't. It can go back to
39:33
Speaker 1: a grand jury. And to that extent, Kyle Kruth, the
39:37
Speaker 1: shooter is in a position to continue to well, I'm
39:40
Speaker 1: plead the fifth. Just because this grand jury decided to
39:43
Speaker 1: issue a no bill doesn't mean the prosecutors cannot go
39:47
Speaker 1: back to another grands right if they have additional evidence.
39:50
Speaker 1: And to that extent, Keruth can continue to plead the system.
39:54
Speaker 1: And then should he decide to do so so, that
39:57
Speaker 1: may have some styming effect on the progress. Yeah, of
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Speaker 1: the civil lawsuit. Absolutely, But remember when Simpson O. J.
40:06
Speaker 1: Simpson is a great example, submitted to deposition, his criminal
40:11
Speaker 1: trial was already over, he had been acquitted, and he
40:14
Speaker 1: could not be retried under double jeopardy. And here's the
40:18
Speaker 1: catch twenty two. In this case, the shooter has never
40:21
Speaker 1: been tried and acquitted. He only made it unscathed through
40:25
Speaker 1: a green jury. Social Stokes is absolutely correct. He can
40:30
Speaker 1: still plead the fifth, which is the right to remain
40:33
Speaker 1: silent under questioning by police. Guys, take a listen to
40:38
Speaker 1: our cut six KCBD eleven. Reeve's mother and three children
40:43
Speaker 1: filed another wrongful death lawsuit against Caruth. The state assigned
40:47
Speaker 1: a judge from San Antonio to oversee those proceedings. Then,
40:51
Speaker 1: this past Tuesday, state prosecutors convened a special grand jury
40:56
Speaker 1: in Lubbock County. They presented the panel with testimony from Wittens,
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Speaker 1: evidence that was not publicly released Thursday evening. That panel
41:05
Speaker 1: elected to not indict Caruth on any criminal charges related
41:09
Speaker 1: to Reds death. With the criminal proceedings out of the way,
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Speaker 1: Jennifer Read's attorney promises to pursue the family's civil actions aggressively.
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Speaker 1: It is up for the courts to schedule when those
41:20
Speaker 1: proceedings will resume. We wait as justice unfalse. Nancy Grace
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