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Heart-Based Conscious Leadership with Julianna Bootsman · Authentic Living

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  Welcome to authentic living with Roxanne, a place where we have as conversations about
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  things that really matter in our lives.
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  And now here's your host, Roxanne Derhodge.
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  Hi, everyone.
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  It's Roxanne Derhodge with Authentic Living with Roxanne today.
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  I have a colleague Juliana Bootsman, Julianna, and I actually belonged to a same speaker's
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  bureau.
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  And we met probably about a month ago and realized we had this luscious conversation
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  about, conscious leadership, which is the, the speakers' beer that we belong to.
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  So I guess the question becomes, what is conscious leadership?
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  And I guess from my definition, it's it's about where you are aware about the presence that
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  you're bringing into a situation as you lead from the micro level from, you know, the space
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  that you are leading and what's, your frontward facing customer gets all the way up to your
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  senior leadership team or your CEO level.
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  So Juliana has, you know, started a business about over 10 years ago now, and it's called
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  White box leadership.
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  I'm gonna talk a little bit about that title because I just listened to a an amazing, video
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  that where she explains it.
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  And Juliana, work.
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  She's a chief spiritual officer.
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  I love that title.
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  So, Julianna, thanks so much for being here today, to share your wisdom with my audience.
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  Thank you so much for having me Roxanne.
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  So let's talk a little bit about Juliana.
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  Like, you know, I I I always love the back story about why, you know, today, you know,
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  you're doing this amazing work, in corporate culture.
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  What got you wanting to to get involved in conscious leadership.
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  Yeah.
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  Well, I love how you started the conversation here right off right off the top this morning
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  or whatever time anyone's listening to it, but it's morning for us.
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  But the when we think about conscious leadership and what the word is and if you
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  think about being conscious, where that often takes us is the idea of being awake.
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  And, in, you know, there can be a lot of talk about woke people.
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  And so I'm not really going there, but it's the idea of being awake And when we're awake, we're
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  more aware.
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  When we're more aware of all that is going on in the situations that we're in, in the very
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  present moment that we're in, we're able to respond in a way that comes from a higher level
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  of wisdom a higher level of, deeper level of connection and then ultimately create, change,
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  transformation, and just offer whatever is going to be to of the highest good in that
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  moment.
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  And so that that's really, you know, where where this comes from for me.
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  And so, my my inspiration or my sort of calling to come into this work came from, my own my own
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  journey of of becoming more conscious and awake to what's really going on in my own life.
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  I I like to say I have had 4 successful careers, but only one vocation, and that
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  vocation is to love.
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  And when I went through and followed the thread of my life from starting out as my first
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  passion, my first thing that was no plan b.
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  It was only a plan a.
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  That was to be a professional dancer.
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  And so I pursued that, and I I went with that.
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  I went and I met, like, moved to New York.
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  And at that point, started to meet all the fears, all the doubts, all the item.
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  I'm not, you know, how where do I measure up against the rest?
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  Lots of other backstory there.
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  There's a, I've got a chapter coming out in a book specifically with that story more there.
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  But, you know, from there though, I went into, okay, what am I gonna do now if I'm not gonna
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  do it be a dancer where do I go now?
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  And I ended up finding myself in PR and marketing and, or actually before that, I went
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  into dance and teaching dance.
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  So I started that was where, really, for me, where the coaching began, working with these
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  young dancers, really able to see them beyond what it is that they do as their craft, as
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  their talent, which it would be dance, but into who they are at a soul level.
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  And when I could work with them and see them and connect with them on that level, they were
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  able to, improve and and and perform and and and show up at such a higher level without them
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  actually having to train or practice anymore.
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  It's like something activated in them.
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  And I and one of my first experience I call, like, my first sort of god moment was in that
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  space of of dance where, I was at a convention and that was a, you know, there was a lot of
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  dancers at this convention in LA and people that I had, you know, I would look at and say
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  they're way better than me.
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  And so I kind of felt like I'm like, Now I'm here, but I'm not really the best.
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  And, but I loved dance.
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  Like, it is it is an expression of my soul and my spirit.
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  And so this one incredible choreographer was teaching us this routine, and it was my groups,
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  like, you know, 50 of us at a time were were performing or getting to kind of do the routine
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  And I just had my back.
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  We started with our backs to the stage, and in this giant ballroom in a hotel, and I just put
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  my arms to my side, and I just said, let it all go.
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  Just let yourself go completely.
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  And I let myself go completely into the music, into the routine, into all of it.
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  And I moved and danced, like, I had never before.
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  I tears running down my face.
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  My ballet teacher's on the side.
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  She has tears running down her face, and I The routine finished sisland, I've never seen you
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  move like that.
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  So I've never felt myself move like that before.
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  And so I didn't have to train harder.
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  I didn't have to do anything more.
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  All I needed to do in that moment was actually let go and connect into a true part of myself.
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  And so there was a letting go but it coming away that allowed me to perform at a level that
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  I couldn't reach otherwise.
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  And so I I I took my and I worked with my dancers that I worked with with my students in
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  that way.
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  And then I went into PR, and marketing.
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  And and in there, the core of that work, which became like this common thread, was was to
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  support people to live at the true expression of who they really are.
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  So that's what happened to me in that moment at in this in this, at this dance convention.
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  It's what I did with my my students in dance.
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  When I worked with organizations in PR Marketing cations.
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  It was about getting to the court, who are you really, and how do I guide you to live in, how
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  do I support you to live in more authentically into that expression?
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  But what happened in the PR and marketing communications, like, I would do branding work
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  and all of that.
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  I loved it.
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  It was really great at it.
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  But the organizations, you know, that in a in a company, making sure that you've got your
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  marketing materials, making sure that you've got your branding right, making sure you've the
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  right tagline.
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  We would create all of that, and it would be authentic to who they really are based on what
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  we were learning about them.
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  But it was almost like we would jump ahead.
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  And and so it's like we gave them a fancy new coat and a new car and a new house but the
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  inner work wasn't being done within the organization for them to actually know what it
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  feels like to truly live that expression.
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  And not just look like it.
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  And that's where it started to become out of alignment for me with with just doing the PR
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  and marketing.
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  And I thought And and by that point, I already knew I am a coach, and my gift is to be able to
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  see people at the level of their soul spirit and draw that out and work with them from the
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  inside out, not from the outside in.
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  So I had to get myself.
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  I had to be honored that truth in myself, and that's where I shifted my company into
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  primarily, the conscious conscious leadership work.
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  And, and by that, really supporting people to Always, you know, leave better than they came,
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  but really live into that true expression, true essence of who they are.
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  And I believe when we do that, We then show up with the full authentic true data of what's
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  true for us, and we're able to then gather that from the world around us.
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  And then we can create what is highest and best and good for for then the extending community
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  outside of our organizations, outside of who we are as individual leaders, so yeah.
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  So that's a bit of the Well,
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  and that's nothing.
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  I love
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  I love what you said.
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  It's letting go and being awake.
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  Right?
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  So try to explain that a little bit more because I I I know what that is because, of
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  course, when I coach and you know, and work with people.
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  I understand that first.
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  But for the average person that may be listening, that doesn't have that sense, what
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  that is.
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  Try to if we could break it down in some way because it's it's I would say it's a somatic
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  experience.
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  Yeah.
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  It's a and and it's an alignment with that truest sense of who you are meant to be.
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  Yes.
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  Not who you think you should be or what you're needing to project out to be, but just that
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  sense that I often say it's like, I'm in that space of perfectness that I wasn't I came into
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  the world as, and then I touched that.
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  Yeah.
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  I think one of the feelings or the experiences that we strive to be able to operate in is that
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  a flow.
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  And so and and and I think freedom is one of a top value for for many.
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  And so especially people who are opinars or leaders, you know, often why you get into this
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  because what you desire is a sense of freedom.
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  You wanna be able to sort of be in control, but also have freedom.
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  So it's this paradox of of creating, an environment and creating a place where we are
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  free and being able to have a sense of control within those moments.
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  And so be when we talk about being in flow, one of the one of the, analogies or whatever that
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  comes up for me, is, I had a a a friend of mine who's who's a leader that I work with, tell me
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  about a story where she was white water rafting and had fallen out of the boat and was in the
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  rapid.
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  And she was in the rapid, but she was trying to, like, grip and control and and, you know,
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  like, And and what was happening when she was doing that was it was actually causing her to
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  be drawn pulled under.
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  And so what she had to do to be in the flow of everything that was happening in moment was
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  actually let go.
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  Let go be in a total place of, like, rest and let that let what was happening around her move
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  with her.
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  And by doing that, she could then float more.
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  She could be able to really quickly see and respond to what she needed to rather than
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  trying to grasp for things.
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  And as we move through our world, there is a lot of moving parts happening around us all the
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  time within ourselves, within our families, within our businesses, within just the nature
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  and the world around us.
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  That is not in our control.
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  And our highest ability to be able to respond rather than react to things is to come from
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  this state of rest and letting go.
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  So it's like Which
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  is a state that I think a lot of people are chasing though, Juliana, because Yeah.
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  If you think if you think of, you you know, we we were just chatting before we go online about
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  the concept of love versus fear.
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  So let's talk a little bit about that because Ultimately, we know how little control we
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  really have over things, and it's about getting to a pace of acceptance that we can only do
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  what we can do, and then we have to let go in order to experience things.
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  Right?
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  So I think of when I looked, I'll give you an example.
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  When I learned to dive, I love.
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  I'm from Turinan to Bigo.
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  Love.
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  You know, grew up in the Caribbean sea.
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  Beautiful love the water.
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  But my thing was, when you learn to dive, guess what?
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  You lose sensation.
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  Right?
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  So I had to take off you know, my mask.
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  Right?
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  1 for most of us, if you think about what we take in internally, that visual is the
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  protective lens that most human beings half.
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  Well, I I felt I love the water.
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  There's no way.
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  I'm gonna I took off my my mask and I was in a ten foot pool.
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  I fled cap flying up, flying up because I was so petrified, and I'll never forget what my
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  instructor said to me.
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  He said, it'll be okay so long as your regulator, which is the thing that you use to
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  breathe, stays in your mouth.
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  And I thought now I'm still freaking out because I can't see a thing, but I listened to
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  his words, which was Just breathe.
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  Yeah.
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  And then I finally, I mean, got over the fear because I had lost that sensation.
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  And then I was able to to follow instruction because if not, I was completely in fear mode
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  Yeah.
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  And so I was panicking, and that's the worst thing you can do.
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  Yeah.
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  You know?
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  But I I know you and I bringing it back to what we were talking about.
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  You and I were talking a little bit about love Yeah.
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  In business.
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  And I wanna talk a little bit between the polarities between fear and love.
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  And as human beings, the space that we go into as human beings and how we interface with the
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  world and how you, as a, spur chief spiritual officer, How do you kind of use that word of
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  love, which are oftentimes in corporate environments?
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  It's kinda like, that's a little bit woo woo.
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  Tell me a little bit about that concept of love.
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  Well, I I see love as one of the most, powerful resources that we have accessible to us and
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  it's accessible to everybody.
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  And it's often, I think, one of the most underutilized or misunderstood of how to
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  actually use it and and what do we mean?
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  So we're talking about, like companionate love.
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  We're talking about, like compassion and empathy and and care.
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  And if we think about, you know, the places that we do truly love something.
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  There's an expansiveness to it.
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  There's a desire for something to thrive there's a natural instinct to give rather than
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  to take.
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  And so by that, it's this outpouring.
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  And so when we feel ourselves in a state of love, about anything it is, there's, it's
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  expansive.
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  It are what happens.
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  And so sometimes I like to go into science and, like, when we think of just like biologically
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  what begins to happen within the cells of our body.
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  So we can take it outside of, as a chief spiritual officer, sometimes that can take
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  people into the place of religion or whatever, but what we're really talking about here is an
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  alive spirit.
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  And if we look at, like sports teams, or I think about, like, my children's schools, or I
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  think about even a a city, and we have, like, spirit days And we talk about, like, you know,
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  we want the spirit of some place to be like, hi and good.
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  That's what we're talking about.
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  And when our spirit is alive and high, our ability to engage from a very expansive and
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  open place, where if we think about even like the cells in our body, they're now not
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  constricted.
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  And then you brought it back to your breath.
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  And so that's, you know, like, just you're okay.
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  You're gonna breathe.
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  And so when we are connected into a place where our spirit is alive, our breath actually
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  becomes more fluid, less constricted, and our breath is our life force.
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  And so really, one of the teachings that I use in the work that I do in all of the corporate
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  leadership and and corporate conscious leadership I do, I integrate and support us to
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  be paying attention awake to our breath.
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  Because we want our our system, our physical body, to be functioning as freely with as much
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  ease as possible.
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  We want it to be well and healthy.
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  And in order to do that, we need to be able to be in a place that is light.
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  Right.
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  And, like, with heart rate variability too, right, the study with the Harvard Institute,
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  you know, they they they show about resonance.
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  Right?
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  So, like, how when you put people in attunement that are in a meditative state Obviously, we we
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  lower it and we drop down into that essence versus if you, you know, look at people that
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  are in stressed states how, you know, they they're they're kind of out of resonance with
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  their heartbeat.
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  And then when you put people that are kind of, if you and I were to say even meditate online,
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  even on because we're not physically together, we can we can align heart to heart which
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  impacts your be your our hearts to be able to be more rhythmic together.
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  So it's it's fascinating what you're saying.
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  So a true But again, from a corporate perspective, oftentimes, you'll hear people say
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  it's tactical.
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  It's bottom line.
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  We have to report to the board.
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  We have our you know, or keep performance indicators.
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  We're off track and people go interfere, which becomes more more KPI driven, which is we're
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  off track versus going into the space that you're talking about.
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  So let's talk a little bit about when you work, with leaders or or different environments.
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  How is it that you decide if they're ready to do some of this work?
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  Let's say you get a call like I do and, you know, people are saying they want certain
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  things.
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  How do you kind of assess whether the readiness for someone to kinda enter into this work with
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  you, Julianna.
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  Mhmm.
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  It comes from the leadership.
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  If the leadership has a connection and a and a and a draw to wanting to to caring for the
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  well-being of the people in the organization.
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  And so, when I think about love and leadership and what is love, it's the long term care of,
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  care and concern for the well-being of others.
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  So it's not just this just for this moment or this project.
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  With the people in your you're looking for long term sustainability here.
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  You're looking for legacy.
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  You're wanting to see and have an organization that is well and in always, purpose, profit,
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  performance, people, all of it.
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  And so if that matters to you, then we have to look at the at the whole, person.
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  And if the and I I often say the work of a chief spiritual officer is about keeping the
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  lights on.
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  And that's the light of people within your organization.
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  The spiritual light.
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  Tapping means that.
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  Within your people is dim.
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  Or an or or or or constricted or flickering, your organization, your keep are eventually
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  going to be affected.
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  And sometimes you can jimmy up all sorts of hot cords and you can find all sorts of ways to,
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  like, keep those lights on and you can do and at some point, it's gonna just short circuit.
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  So tell me about a scenario that maybe you've come across and and of some of the things that
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  has not gone gone well with some organizations that they want they want this, but maybe
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  they're maybe they're bit too hasty and they try to implement some of these things and they
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  fall flat.
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  Do you have any scenarios or situations that maybe you've come across in your time working
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  with some organizations to share.
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  Yeah.
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  I think sometimes what happens in though in situations where it doesn't where it's like we
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  want it.
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  We kind of it's it's that, it's like I wanna I want to run that marathon but I'm but it's I
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  want it now.
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  Like, I wanna just get up and and go and do it.
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  It's the long term commitment and and connection to being able to continue to nurture
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  it and to connect into it.
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  And so it's where they're looking at it from a place where it's just like, let's bring in the
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  speaker or the person or the thing and, like, we're just gonna do this one program, and then
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  all of a sudden, everything's gonna like this is gonna work.
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  They're not looking at it from a perspective of how do we build this into the operations of our
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  company.
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  Right.
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  So they're looking at a almost like a like a putting up a band aid on on potentially what
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  the issue is instead of backing up and saying, while we're having maybe more conflict or maybe
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  we're missing deadlines, let's just do a time management thing or, whatever.
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  Just kinda looking, backing up and saying, you know, why is it not working well?
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  What what's happening?
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  Who are your new people who have left?
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  There's hybrid.
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  There's remote.
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  There's in person.
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  There's so many moving parts to your point.
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  And if you just kinda create a solution, It might address it, you know, in the interim for
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  a short period of time.
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  And then, of course, it's gonna often say it bubbles up, but it might show itself in a
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  different packaging.
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  Yeah.
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  Yes.
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  And so and so from and so that is why the work that I do, is really working with organizations
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  too.
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  Building this into operations of your organization.
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  And a lot of what, has often sort of been historical in when we're doing the inner work
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  of the organization or call it professional development or whatever that is, is it's like
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  one off courses.
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  That people will go to, and they'll help, and they'll do something good.
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  And you can get a lot of good from it, but for long term integration and change that really
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  sticks.
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  We know through so many examples, whether it's you're trying to make a, like, a, you know, a
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  lifestyle change within your exercise or your diet or whatever, it's the it's being able to
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  connect into what is actually true for us as an organization, who we are, And how do we
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  continue to know that we're looking for we're this is this is an ongoing thing.
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  And so I work with companies to be able to go and assess and sort audit them from, like, I
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  call, I call it like an energy audit almost.
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  It's like a like a life force audit.
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  Where is the life for us of your organization right now, what's it operating at, and what's
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  going to work best for the rhythm of your organization, for the rhythm and the and of who
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  your people really are.
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  And then we create and we adapt it for that because you want this to be able to be just now
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  a part of how your company breeds we bring it back.
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  So do you do it at every level when you do the assessment?
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  Are you starting with senior leadership, kinda, middle management, front line and kinda the
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  interface with the front facing customer.
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  Are you doing it at that every level?
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  Because, like, to your point, you have to start at the most senior level because you could, you
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  know, you can address, the middle management, you know, implications, but if you don't have
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  the flow from what's coming from the very top to the, you know, kind of the main engine,
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  which is your middle managers, that's that's, you know, it's gonna do about a buck against
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  each other.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  So ideally, that's what we do is we we then get to take a cross section depending on the size
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  of the organization and really kind of look at what's really happening here.
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  Where is everybody really not.
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  And so, we open up and do, like, a full, conversation with as many people from the
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  organization from different parts that are willing to have the conversation with us.
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  And from there, we get to really hear what, you know, Renee Brown says, connection is to be
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  seen heard and valued.
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  So that's the first step that we do is we make sure that we see here and that the people
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  within the organization are valued.
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  And then based on what we actually hear from them, we were bond with the we've heard what
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  you've shared and here's how we're responding and this is what we're integrating into this
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  program.
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  That is that is customized for the organization.
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  It becomes their conscious leadership program.
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  And the results of what we've seen in the program that we've put through there's one
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  company that I have as a global organization.
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  So we're working with people in from all over the world.
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  So I've got people in my program from Spain and Italy and, across the states and different
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  parts of Canada in, Ireland and just all over the world.
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  And what I find so incredible is that there actually isn't that much difference between
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  what we're all dealing with.
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  It comes down to the same things of of, like, feeling of burnout, feeling of am I worthy,
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  feeling of, the desires want to be able to always do more of perfectionism, just all of
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  these things of, you know, simple things of just, like, physically, I'm not taking care of
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  myself well enough spiritually.
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  I'm not attending to myself.
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  It's so much of the same things that show up, but what ends up happening is through the
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  program, that we've created for this organization and that we create for the
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  organizations that's rooted in, in all of the elements of consciousness and compassion,
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  empathy, love, and how to just be able to a high level of self awareness, emotional
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  intelligence is the environment that they're working in hasn't changed.
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  But their ability to respond to the environment has changed.
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  And as a result, they feel less stressed.
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  They feel more capable They genuinely feel happier.
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  The connections amongst the people in the organization, even though so many of them are
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  working virtually in different parts has has gotten better because they're connecting with
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  people through even the programming.
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  They have common language to use.
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  They feel seen and heard in an organization that they don't feel alone in the fact that,
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  oh, we actually wanna operate from place of love too and these are the things that matter
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  to us.
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  And and I can't believe I work in an organization that also cares about these
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  things.
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  It's sort of like this unspoken goodness that nobody's bringing to the surface because we're
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  all just getting the work done.
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