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Ross Fulton Analysis: How Matt Patricia Has Ohio State's Defense Dominating · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Buckeyes Tomorrow Morning for Thursday, September eighteenth, time
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  Speaker 1: of your host Tom Moore, the Washington game in nine days,
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  Speaker 1: the game against Michigan in seventy two days. On today's show,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to be talking about the Ohio State defense
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  Speaker 1: with our buddy Bucket, Hudles ex'es, and nos Guru Ross Fulton.
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  Speaker 1: reservation Today. All right, Ross, we were talking about the
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  Speaker 1: Ohio State defense and outside of one play right after halftime,
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  Speaker 1: there really was not a whole lot to complain about.
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  Speaker 1: So this is going to be a mostly upbeat show
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  Speaker 1: and we're going to start right up front. We'll end
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  Speaker 1: up talking about the back end of the defense and
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  Speaker 1: some of the different creative things they were doing there,
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  Speaker 1: but we got to start upfront. The Bobcats had almost
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  Speaker 1: no success running against Ohio State almost all night, really
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  Speaker 1: and one of the reasons was the use of something
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  Speaker 1: that we have seen a little bit already this season,
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  Speaker 1: and that is the penny front.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So again I just kind of want to go through
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  Speaker 3: some different concepts both up front and in the back
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  Speaker 3: end that Matt Patricia has brought to Iowa State. And
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  Speaker 3: so again we saw on Saturday, as you said, a
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  Speaker 3: lot of penny front, or Patricia refers to it as
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  Speaker 3: a diamond front. You kind of get that diamond look,
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  Speaker 3: Ohio State here is and so you get the five
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  Speaker 3: guys up on the line scrimmage as you said, Arville
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  Speaker 3: Reese is basically a stand up outside linebacker with sunny
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  Speaker 3: styles as the mic behind uh the zero tech noseguard.
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  Speaker 3: So he's you know, head up on the center. You're
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  Speaker 3: they're in Cover one here, you know. So again like
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  Speaker 3: a lot of principally a single high defense, particularly on
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  Speaker 3: early down, so you know, middlefield to cover cover one,
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  Speaker 3: Cover three again. According you know, Tyler Mayns shout out
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  Speaker 3: to you know him, follow him on the ballman act,
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  Speaker 3: highly recommend his charty. Appreciate that you know he had
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  Speaker 3: I stay playing Cover one forty six percent of the
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  Speaker 3: time and cover three twenty seven percent of the time.
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  Speaker 3: So again you're you continue to see them about you know,
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  Speaker 3: three fourth seventy seventy five percent of the time they're
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  Speaker 3: in some sort of cover one, Cover three of the
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  Speaker 3: remainder with split safety coverage. But you know, he also
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  Speaker 3: had them charted for playing Penny thirty six percent of
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  Speaker 3: the time, which was an uptick. And you get why
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  Speaker 3: because Penny's really effective against zone runs and OU is
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  Speaker 3: principally a zone zone read team, and you can just
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  Speaker 3: see here like how hard it is to run zone
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  Speaker 3: runs against them. So they're in cover one here you
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  Speaker 3: can see you know, Lorenzo styles track in the motion
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  Speaker 3: Jayalen McClean follows back against the split. This is an
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  Speaker 3: inside split zone, so tight end blocking back. He follows back.
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  Speaker 3: But you know when you get to the back end
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  Speaker 3: and you can just see like every you know, you
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  Speaker 3: have your head up, nose guard and then your two
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  Speaker 3: four I techniques sort of between the guard and the tackle,
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  Speaker 3: and they just there's just no double teams, right, Like
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  Speaker 3: the principle of zone is to double and get to
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  Speaker 3: the second level, and it just makes it really difficult
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  Speaker 3: to get.
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  Speaker 2: To that second level linebacker.
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  Speaker 3: He's pretty much blocked or shielded, and you know, so
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  Speaker 3: he can just step right in the hole and make
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  Speaker 3: the play. And you know saw that repeatedly against Gainst
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  Speaker 3: so use. So you know, Penny again, as I said,
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  Speaker 3: like against particularly gap heavy teams, you'll see a lot
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  Speaker 3: of it. You know, less effective against gap or counter
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  Speaker 3: run plays. And you know, although I thought Ohio State
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  Speaker 3: did a pretty good job defending when Texas ran counterplays
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  Speaker 3: against Penny, but you know, he'd probably see a little
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  Speaker 3: bit less usage against a gap heavy team. But you know,
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  Speaker 3: certainly a mainstay part of the Ohio State playbook under
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  Speaker 3: about Patricia.
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  Speaker 1: They have definitely mixed things up up front. And this
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  Speaker 1: is another This is an example of where it's going
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  Speaker 1: to be a little bit of a different look from
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  Speaker 1: the first play, but the same kind of basic result
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  Speaker 1: the run play goes nowhere. Now, one of the things
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  Speaker 1: that really helps there is having someone like Caleb Downs
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  Speaker 1: on the team. This is one where he starts thirteen
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  Speaker 1: yards off the wine of scrimmage at the snap and
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  Speaker 1: then also somehow manages to make the tackle for loss.
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  Speaker 1: That is that it's being aggressive in the run game
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  Speaker 1: as a safety. But you know, he he does seem
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  Speaker 1: to make it work pretty much all the time.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, obviously, you know, you have guys in the back
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  Speaker 3: end that can make a lot of this look good
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  Speaker 3: down Zarvel Reese, uh and the lake. But you know,
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  Speaker 3: again we're seeing this was sort of I believe the
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  Speaker 3: first time I had seen this look from Ohio State,
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  Speaker 3: which this is a three three five right, So we're
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  Speaker 3: still in an odd front with the nose guard head
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  Speaker 3: up over the center, but now we have three linebackers
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  Speaker 3: on the field, only three defensive linemen, three linebackers who
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  Speaker 3: are all off the ball, and then five defensive backs
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  Speaker 3: and so you know, or at least start off the ball,
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  Speaker 3: I should say, And then you know, we see obviously
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  Speaker 3: you know, would you would what you would think when
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  Speaker 3: you see this kind of look is there's some pretty
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  Speaker 3: big gaps in the line of scrimmage, right, particularly to
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  Speaker 3: run off tackle between the guard and the tackle. But
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  Speaker 3: they handle that by using something we've talked about last
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  Speaker 3: year and that Ohio State needed to use at times,
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  Speaker 3: which is called a heavy technique.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: So this is again a mid zone run to the
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  Speaker 3: left U. When bo Atkinson sees that left tackle zone
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  Speaker 3: step towards him, he spikes inside right so now what
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  Speaker 3: was an open B gap is now accounted for by
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  Speaker 3: the defensive end. Rvel Re similarly spikes inside to the
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  Speaker 3: C gap against that crack block by the tight end
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  Speaker 3: on a slot, and so they're spilling the football right.
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  Speaker 3: So we talked a lot about spilling last year, and
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  Speaker 3: so you're gonna spill right to Caleb Down. So obviously,
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  Speaker 3: just like obviously didn't playoff last year, like spilling the
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  Speaker 3: Caleb Downs is a good idea, and you're forcing the
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  Speaker 3: ball to go a lotter early. But I think again,
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  Speaker 3: like sort of just from a personnel perspective as well,
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  Speaker 3: you know a lot of discussion of coming into the
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  Speaker 3: season about lack of defensive line depth, particularly inside. Obviously
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  Speaker 3: there was you know, the I think three technique remains
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  Speaker 3: a little unsettled where you had Taiwan Malone starting in
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  Speaker 3: place of Edric Houston on Saturday. But obviously when you're
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  Speaker 3: running fronts like this, it cuts down on the number
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  Speaker 3: of reps you need from your defensive in tier right.
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  Speaker 3: So here we've only got one defensive tackle on the field,
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  Speaker 3: the nose guard. Similarly, like we'll show here, you know
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  Speaker 3: a lot of third down looks where they're running these
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  Speaker 3: odd fronts and they're playing Kating Curry as a noseguard.
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  Speaker 3: So you know, Katy McDonald has been really good inside
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  Speaker 3: and I you know, this was I think Will Smith
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  Speaker 3: has done a pretty admirable job as well, but at
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  Speaker 3: the nose. But like you're again using you're both using
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  Speaker 3: odd personnel fronts that Matt Patricia has always liked, but
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  Speaker 3: also you know, minimizing personnel deficiencies in certain areas and
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  Speaker 3: getting you know, multiple linebackers on the field here with
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  Speaker 3: Peyton Piris at the third.
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  Speaker 1: And next one. This is something we've talked about a
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  Speaker 1: bunch over the years. This is definitely not anything new
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  Speaker 1: for Ohio State, but it was something that was very
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  Speaker 1: effective on Saturday night. And that is a zone blitz.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and so this is where like the variety really
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  Speaker 3: started coming in. So I talked about, you know, Ohio
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  Speaker 3: State principally single high team and again right here, like
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  Speaker 3: if you look pre snap, it looks like they're going
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  Speaker 3: to play Cover three, right or some kind of Cover one,
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  Speaker 3: Cover three, some kind of middle of the field safety coverage.
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  Speaker 3: But again at the snap, the guy who lined up
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  Speaker 3: over the slot is going to roll back the deep
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  Speaker 3: safety is going to roll over Lorenzo styles and Nickel
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  Speaker 3: is coming off the edge, so we're bringing five man pressure.
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  Speaker 3: So that's a zone and we're playing zone behind it.
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  Speaker 3: This is a unique one. I haven't seen it before
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  Speaker 3: from Ohio State, but they're playing basically a four deep
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  Speaker 3: two under. So it's a form of cover four right,
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  Speaker 3: and you can see the safeties and the corners both turning.
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  Speaker 3: They're they're reading the number two receiver, so o you
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  Speaker 3: switching off routes and so you can trade those off.
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  Speaker 3: And so it's a form of quarters where they're matching
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  Speaker 3: the routes in the deep at the back end. But
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  Speaker 3: again just different ways to bring pressure, you know, unlike
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  Speaker 3: in the past when Ohio State, you know when Ryan
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  Speaker 3: Day first got here and they were a single high
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  Speaker 3: predominant team, Like it was single high all all the time,
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  Speaker 3: and we talked and it was pretty basic.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you knew what you're getting here.
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  Speaker 3: That like the difference is in like they're mixing things
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  Speaker 3: up enough both with disguise and just concepts that it
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  Speaker 3: just as an opposing quarterback and play color, you can't
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  Speaker 3: be sure what you're going to.
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  Speaker 1: Get, all right, And now we're gonna be talking a
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  Speaker 1: little bit more about that back end and some of
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  Speaker 1: the ways they're disguising things the next play, if you
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  Speaker 1: are listening and not watching, we're gonna talking about them
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  Speaker 1: one where bo Atkinson kind of comes off the edge
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  Speaker 1: and hits Parker Navarro and he ended up hurting his
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  Speaker 1: left hand on that one.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 3: So now again we've got this is a single high right,
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  Speaker 3: but we've got this is a more use of the
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  Speaker 3: three high safety looks that Jim Knowles used increasingly last
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  Speaker 3: year and has obviously used a lot in his time,
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  Speaker 3: and then we talked about that. But this is a
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  Speaker 3: three double buzz, which just means, you know, you're going
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  Speaker 3: to play the three guys dropping back as you can see,
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  Speaker 3: and then you have the two safeties both dropping into
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  Speaker 3: the hook curl zone.
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  Speaker 2: That's what like three buzz.
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  Speaker 3: That just means the safety me down is going to
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  Speaker 3: play that hook curl and then you have one linebacker
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  Speaker 3: dropping the curl flat and then Jermaine Matthews handling the
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  Speaker 3: other one. So again, like you're giving this five across
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  Speaker 3: the look, you're gonna play three buzz and then you know,
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  Speaker 3: as you said up front, they use Arville Ree a
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  Speaker 3: lot as a I guess spy for lack of a
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  Speaker 3: better word. You know, he's basically mirroring the quarterback like
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  Speaker 3: is probably the more technical term for it. And so
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  Speaker 3: he's just eyes on the quarterback and he's he's kind
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  Speaker 3: of you know, trying to follow him. I think, you know,
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  Speaker 3: one of the cliches when coaches, defensive coaches come from
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  Speaker 3: the NFL is like, how are they going to handle
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  Speaker 3: the quarterback like mobile quarterbacks? And that itself maybe kind
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  Speaker 3: of pass a given you know, the NFL, you now
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  Speaker 3: have the Lamar Jackson's and Josh Allen's of the world.
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  Speaker 2: But be that as a may like you can tell like.
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  Speaker 3: Early on Ohio States faced you know, three teams with
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  Speaker 3: quarterbacks who could run, and Matt Patricia has obviously put
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  Speaker 3: an emphasis on like me, containing rush, late discipline and
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  Speaker 3: keeping eyes on the quarterback, so that that definitely seems
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  Speaker 3: like a point of emphasis in his third down package
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  Speaker 3: as well for as accounting for it in the you know,
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  Speaker 3: more standard down run game. So you know rvo Ree
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  Speaker 3: obviously again, like you know, players not plays, like, it's
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  Speaker 3: more effective when you have a player like arvl Ree
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  Speaker 3: who can mirror the quarterback as you saw, like he
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  Speaker 3: was just on Punivaro's face all night. But it was
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  Speaker 3: you know again, so you're doing different things in the
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  Speaker 3: back end mixed with that sort of contained rush to
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  Speaker 3: a pretty effective rate.
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  Speaker 1: And the last one we're going to go through today,
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  Speaker 1: it's another one where it is an RVL reese. It
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  Speaker 1: kind of mirrors the quarterback and then breaks on the
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  Speaker 1: ball and makes makes the kind of makes the play happen.
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  Speaker 1: This is the one where he broke up the pass
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  Speaker 1: and it was history's most obvious incomplete forward pass and
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  Speaker 1: the refs didn't blow it dead for some reasoning. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Jackson got his scoop and score. This is another one
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  Speaker 1: where you see one look pre snap and then they
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  Speaker 1: change the picture on the on the quarterback after it
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  Speaker 1: right at the snap.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, this and this is why I say, like, yes,
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  Speaker 3: primarily middle of the field closed, but like can't rely
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  Speaker 3: on that. You can't rely on your pre snap picture
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  Speaker 3: as a quarterback, which makes things difficult.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: So again like pre snap where it looks very much
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  Speaker 3: like what I just showed, right, like Cover three double
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  Speaker 3: buzz where those two safeties are going to drop down
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  Speaker 3: into the hook curl zones, but at the snap, everything
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  Speaker 3: rotates and they go to a non traditional Tampa And
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  Speaker 3: so that by that, I just mean like you're you're
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  Speaker 3: running Tampa, but guys are coming from different areas that
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  Speaker 3: like you're not having the two safeties is the deep
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  Speaker 3: the deep half players, and so you got you know,
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  Speaker 3: Molie Carford drops to one deep half. Then you have
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  Speaker 3: Jermaine Matthews from the nickel going all the way back
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  Speaker 3: to another deep path. You have Caleb Downs coming over
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  Speaker 3: from the slot to be the Tampa pole runner, right,
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  Speaker 3: which is like again your three high concept where he's
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  Speaker 3: so effective, but getting to it from a very different way.
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  Speaker 3: You saw, Like this is just one example. They got
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  Speaker 3: to Tampa from all kinds of different alignment crazy alignments
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  Speaker 3: and looks on Saturday from pre snap, you know, bringing
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  Speaker 3: Downs from from a variety of angles. So again, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I guess you obviously like the caveat is when you're
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  Speaker 3: gonna do that kind of stuff, Like you have to
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  Speaker 3: be really disciplined and like make sure that people are
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  Speaker 3: you know, every you have to be very versatile in
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  Speaker 3: your roles, right, Like you need to know everyone needs
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  Speaker 3: to know how to play the deep path. Everyone needs
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  Speaker 3: to know how to play crow flat and be able
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  Speaker 3: to be flexible. Positional flexibility, I guess you would say,
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  Speaker 3: but so far, Ohio State, it's been able to effectively
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  Speaker 3: do that. And then up front again we have an
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  Speaker 3: example of again using rval rees. This is this odd
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  Speaker 3: double mug look that Patricia likes so much. On third
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  Speaker 3: down where you have the two you know, three odd
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  Speaker 3: again a noseguard putting Kidadying Curry there, which has been
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  Speaker 3: pretty effective certainly was Saturday as a path rusher, and
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  Speaker 3: then the two line walked up over the guards again
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  Speaker 3: just not showing your hand. You know, Styles drops Reese
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  Speaker 3: is again mirroring the quarterback obviously you know, he tries
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  Speaker 3: to scramble, knocks down the ball as you said, leads
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  Speaker 3: to the weird scoop and score that obviously wasn't where
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  Speaker 3: then Navarro tries to sweep kick the leg of Kenyata
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  Speaker 3: Jackson that somehow also it was not noticed. But in
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  Speaker 3: any event, again, so you kind of know what you're
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  Speaker 3: getting in broad strokes from this defense, but you're getting
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  Speaker 3: in a lot of different ways.
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  Speaker 2: And so you know, as you said.
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  Speaker 3: Other than the one Lorenzo Styles where it was cover
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  Speaker 3: one and you know he got beat and then didn't
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  Speaker 3: get the tackle. I mean that was just pretty straightforward
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  Speaker 3: like slot fade. You obviously don't want to have that happen.
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  Speaker 3: But that's more just like a cleaning up technique thing.
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  Speaker 3: Less less on the scheme, more on just you know,
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  Speaker 3: making play on the ball.
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  Speaker 2: And again, it got to the ground.
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  Speaker 1: When you're talking about all the stuff that they've sort
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  Speaker 1: of you know, they had to get these guys really
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  Speaker 1: on the same page and make sure everyone understands all
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  Speaker 1: these different roles. It seems like that would have been
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  Speaker 1: a much easier thing to do when you were in
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  Speaker 1: your second or third year as Ohio State's defensive coordinator,
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  Speaker 1: as Jim Knowles was in previous years. And they're mixing
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  Speaker 1: up the front this year, and they're disguis and the
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  Speaker 1: coverages this year. They're doing all this different stuff that
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  Speaker 1: obviously took a lot of time over the summer, which
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  Speaker 1: you would sort of instinctively think, Okay, your first year
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  Speaker 1: is a defensive coordinator, You're gonna have so much more
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  Speaker 1: stuff to install, get everyone sort of on the same
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  Speaker 1: page with more of the basics. So what made it
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  Speaker 1: possible for Matt Patricia to do this when Jim Knowles
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  Speaker 1: didn't do this stuff the last couple of years. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's not like Jim Noles had bad defense in the
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  Speaker 1: last couple of years. He had great defenses the last
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  Speaker 1: couple of years. But why are they able to do
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  Speaker 1: this stuff now and it didn't necessarily show up on
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  Speaker 1: the field the last couple of years.
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  Speaker 3: So you have two issues, right The first is you
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  Speaker 3: have to want to do it as a defensive coach.
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  Speaker 3: And as I said, I mean theoretically there are trade offs, right,
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  Speaker 3: Like disguise can lead to people being in bad positions.
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  Speaker 3: You're racing over from different places, so at least in theory,
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  Speaker 3: you're trading some potential soundness in the coverage and scheme
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  Speaker 3: for disguise. Right now, as I said, so far, so
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  Speaker 3: good on that front. In terms of like in practice,
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  Speaker 3: Ohio States really minimize that. It helps having you know,
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  Speaker 3: really good athletes in the back end that can cover ground.
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  Speaker 2: So that's the first thing is just like you have
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  Speaker 2: to want to do it.
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  Speaker 3: The second is like you know, the calls themselves though
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  Speaker 3: are there's not like it's not like the volume is
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  Speaker 3: crazy on.
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  Speaker 2: The defense in terms of what they're running.
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  Speaker 3: You know, like there was actually floating around on Twitter,
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  Speaker 3: like someone got a screenshot of Caleb Downs's wristband post
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  Speaker 3: the game against Grambling, and like you could see the
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  Speaker 3: play calls, and the play calls themselves are like pretty straightforward,
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  Speaker 3: Like most of it you can trace back to like
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  Speaker 3: Patricia's time with the Patriots in terms of like the
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  Speaker 3: fronts and the coverage. And you know, at the end
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  Speaker 3: of the day, they're running, as I said, mostly like
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  Speaker 3: cover one, Cover three, Cover two, mixed in with like
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  Speaker 3: the occasional quarters or quarter quarter half. So it's it's
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  Speaker 3: more on the players than to just be able to
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  Speaker 3: like run those different techniques within those coverage schemes, right,
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  Speaker 3: Like sometimes I got to play the deep third, sometimes
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  Speaker 3: I got to play the hook curl, and like I
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  Speaker 3: got to know where I'm coming from and know how
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  Speaker 3: to execute those. So again, it's like you have to
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  Speaker 3: have the want you to do it, and then it really
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  Speaker 3: it makes it so that you it looks more complex
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  Speaker 3: for the offense than it actually is for the defense,
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  Speaker 3: so long as you as again as I said, like
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  Speaker 3: the different back seven or you know, even when a
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  Speaker 3: defensive end is dropping in a sim pressure like defenders
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  Speaker 3: know how to run the various techniques with that comes
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  Speaker 3: with each zone drop or man coverage.
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  Speaker 1: All right, well, there you go, one quarter of the
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  Speaker 1: looking so far, so good for Matt Patricia. We'll get
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