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Brian with Peter Bronson · Brian Thomas

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  Speaker 1: It's 7-0-6 on a Friday. Always extra special on a Friday,
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  Speaker 1: just being Friday, but it's even better when I get
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  Speaker 1: to look up over the board here and see my
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  Speaker 1: friend Peter Bronson.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, Brian.
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  Speaker 1: It is always awesome having you here, man.
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  Speaker 2: It's always awesome to be with you, buddy.
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  Speaker 1: And for the bottom of my heart, I want to
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  Speaker 1: thank you for all the joy and pleasure I got
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  Speaker 1: out of reading your books over the years.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Just you're a great writer, weaving the story. this narrative
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  Speaker 1: that you create, you'll create a premise upon which to
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  Speaker 1: spring forth all the information about local history. And we're
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  Speaker 1: going to dive into some of Peter's books today because
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  Speaker 1: they are awesome Christmas gift ideas for folks in the
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  Speaker 1: tri-state because they're typically focused on local history and stories
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  Speaker 1: from the local community. But first off, let me remind folks,
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  Speaker 1: he is a, he's in addition to being an author
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  Speaker 1: and of course, story journalist here in Cincinnati, Peter Bronson
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  Speaker 1: has a website called chili dog, press.com. which is a
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  Speaker 1: great place to get his book. So if you're thinking
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  Speaker 1: about Christmas gifts, head on over there right now, chili dog, press.com,
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  Speaker 1: get all of them. But also you, you publish local
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  Speaker 1: authors and other authors. Yes, I do. And how often
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  Speaker 1: do you approach with a book?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Oh, constantly.
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  Speaker 3: I've never advertised, but it's mainly word of mouth. So
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  Speaker 3: people publish a book and everybody says, how did you
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  Speaker 3: do that?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And they say, well, I know a guy and that's me.
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  Speaker 3: So I've at any time, I've got five or six
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  Speaker 3: of these book projects going. I've got about seven going
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  Speaker 3: right now. Everything from children's books to biographies to really
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  Speaker 3: exciting books, novels. Some are things that you didn't know
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  Speaker 3: about Cincinnati. People have done some amazing things in town,
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  Speaker 3: and so it's pretty cool.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, it's got to be. I guess being in the
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  Speaker 1: position of being the publisher, you have to choose which
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  Speaker 1: ones you are willing to put forth some effort and
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  Speaker 1: some money to back and print and publish, and wading
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  Speaker 1: through that seems maybe the more challenging component of it.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you think about publishers who passed up certain
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  Speaker 1: books over the years that ended up becoming global bestsellers.
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  Speaker 1: How did I miss that opportunity? Why didn't I sign
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  Speaker 1: that band? The Beatles were in here and I thought
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  Speaker 1: they sucked. But that's a difficult position and challenging because
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  Speaker 1: you have to deliver the bad news to somebody who
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  Speaker 1: poured their heart and soul out over some manuscript.
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  Speaker 3: Well, mostly the customers, when they see how hard it
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  Speaker 3: is to write a book, if they're coming to me
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  Speaker 3: and they're saying, I'm going to write this book and
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  Speaker 3: they don't have a manuscript finished, a lot of times
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  Speaker 3: they find out it's a lot harder than they think.
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  Speaker 3: The discipline, others find that the journey is the whole
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  Speaker 3: point of it. It's that the writing of the book,
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  Speaker 3: especially if it's a biography or something about their past,
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  Speaker 3: they find it very therapeutic because it just brings up
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  Speaker 3: all these memories and everything starts to come into sharp
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  Speaker 3: focus again. One thing leads to another. And by the
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  Speaker 3: time we're done, I coach them with their writing and
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  Speaker 3: I show them how to improve it and bring them along.
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  Speaker 3: In many cases, others don't need that kind of help.
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  Speaker 3: But when they're finished, they're just super ecstatic about the
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  Speaker 3: journey as much as the book.
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  Speaker 1: That's terrific. But here's the stumbling block you're going to
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  Speaker 1: have to run into now. We live in a world
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  Speaker 1: with artificial intelligence. I can probably go to ChatGPT or
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  Speaker 1: something else right now and say, please prepare a 40-page
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  Speaker 1: biography on, I don't know, pick a figure, Abraham Lincoln,
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  Speaker 1: just randomly pulling out.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And it'll do that.
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  Speaker 4: It will.
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  Speaker 1: It will. And it will read pretty damn good. Of course,
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  Speaker 1: I would always recommend, if you're ever doing that in
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  Speaker 1: your business most notably, a fact check what it came
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  Speaker 1: up with. But beyond that, college professors are dealing with
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  Speaker 1: this with term papers. Oh, absolutely. How can you determine
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  Speaker 1: if someone hands you a manuscript whether or not it's
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  Speaker 1: their work product or artificial intelligence?
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  Speaker 2: Well, first I ask.
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  Speaker 3: Um, and I have not published anything that was AI created,
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  Speaker 3: but I'm beginning to look at some projects that are
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  Speaker 3: AI assisted.
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  Speaker 2: For example, illustrations. Oh my gosh. The illustrations that can
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  Speaker 2: be created by AI are unbelievable. They're like Norman Rockwell level.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Now you can't find an illustrator that's going to do
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  Speaker 3: a children's book at that level of, of, um, aesthetic quality, uh.
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  Speaker 2: For any reasonable price.
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  Speaker 3: So these people can go and get their real illustrations
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  Speaker 3: made by AI and a, I'm like, well, okay, as
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  Speaker 3: long as you tell the reader, as long as it's
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  Speaker 3: full disclosure and you're transparent that AI was used in this,
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  Speaker 3: that's okay with me, at least so far. I think
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  Speaker 3: one thing that you're hitting on, though, is very interesting,
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  Speaker 3: which is I think it's an unacknowledged secret right now
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  Speaker 3: that copyright is a thing of the past, that there
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  Speaker 3: is no such thing as intellectual property.
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  Speaker 1: That's one of the arguments the creators of intellectual property
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  Speaker 1: are making because, hey, Chat GPT, you just absorbed my
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  Speaker 1: entire book, fiction, nonfiction or otherwise, and you made it
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  Speaker 1: part of your learning model or your language model. You
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  Speaker 1: can't do that without paying me.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly.
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  Speaker 3: So if I was to plug in a certain question
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  Speaker 3: about one of my books, something that I discovered that
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  Speaker 3: is unique to my book, I can get that back
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  Speaker 3: from AI and I know they just took it right
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  Speaker 3: out of my book.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: And there's no acknowledgement. It doesn't say where that came from.
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  Speaker 3: You know, let's face it. There are book buyers for
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  Speaker 3: AI platforms now that are going around buying up all
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  Speaker 3: the used books and ancient books they can find.
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  Speaker 4: I know.
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  Speaker 3: And feeding them into this wood chipper, which is basically
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  Speaker 3: a vast sponge that soaks up everything in these books.
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  Speaker 3: It doesn't matter if it's an instruction manual for a
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  Speaker 3: 1903 vacuum cleaner or something. They will absorb all this
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  Speaker 3: and then just feed it back to you. And so, hey,
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  Speaker 3: where's the intellectual property?
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  Speaker 2: There is none.
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  Speaker 1: There isn't. Speaking of Aldous Huxley, it's a brave new world.
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  Speaker 1: It is. We are living in completely uncharted territory. And
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  Speaker 1: quite frankly, I'm just kind of the mindset. I lean
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  Speaker 1: more lewd. I know how efficient this will make things.
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  Speaker 1: I also appreciate the fact that, well, you talented artists
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  Speaker 1: out there are not going to have a job as
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  Speaker 1: an illustrator anymore.
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  Speaker 2: I know. It's such a shame.
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  Speaker 3: And, you know, the whole thing about taking the property
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  Speaker 3: and everything. Well, the other thing that's alarming right now
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  Speaker 3: is there was a piece in The Wall Street Journal
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  Speaker 3: last week reviewing a book called The Death of Literacy.
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  Speaker 3: And what we're seeing is that people, high school kids,
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  Speaker 3: college kids, they don't read books.
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  Speaker 1: They don't.
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  Speaker 2: You can poll them. When's the last time you read
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  Speaker 2: a book? And they'll say never.
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  Speaker 1: And if you ask a child at the Cincinnati Classical
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  Speaker 1: Academy the last time they read a book, they'd say, what,
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  Speaker 1: a half hour ago before class started? Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: But if you don't read books, if you just listen
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  Speaker 3: to them on audio, for example, or if you just
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  Speaker 3: get reviews and AI summaries, what it does, it damages
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  Speaker 3: your ability for critical thinking.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Most of our intellectual critical thinking comes from reading, from
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  Speaker 3: being able to make an argument because we've read them,
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  Speaker 3: from absorbing facts in an active way, not something that
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  Speaker 3: just spilled them out for you.
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  Speaker 2: And I just worry about that.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I do too. And the other component of that,
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  Speaker 1: you have to have the logic and critical thinking skills,
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  Speaker 1: and that does come in large part from reading. But
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  Speaker 1: then you also have to have the communication skills to
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  Speaker 1: put pen to paper and And write. Yes. And you
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  Speaker 1: can't do that.
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  Speaker 2: If you can't do that.
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  Speaker 1: No one can do that anymore. Plus, in the text
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  Speaker 1: world we live in, it's abbreviations, it's just little blurbs
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  Speaker 1: that are supposed to mean something that's remotely connected to
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  Speaker 1: the English language. It is a new language.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And when you think about it, if you look at
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  Speaker 3: what's going on in the world, for example, the rise
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  Speaker 3: of socialism and communism.
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  Speaker 2: And now.
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  Speaker 3: You go, what is wrong with those young people that
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  Speaker 3: they think this is acceptable? Don't they know history?
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  Speaker 1: No, they don't.
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  Speaker 2: Because they don't read. They haven't read the books.
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  Speaker 3: They haven't seen Solzhenitsyn's Gulag Archipelago or anything like that.
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  Speaker 2: They just don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and they're also not being taught it. Even if
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  Speaker 1: they want to sit in a room and absorb what
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  Speaker 1: the teacher is telling them by way of propaganda, if
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  Speaker 1: you aren't getting information about the nation's history— And you're
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  Speaker 1: not inclined to go and read it independently. You're never
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  Speaker 1: going to get it. Next thing you know, you think
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  Speaker 1: socialism and communism are great concepts.
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  Speaker 4: Uh-huh.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. You know, that's a great segue. Do we have
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  Speaker 2: a minute?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you what. No, we're going to use
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  Speaker 1: that as a little tease to bring you back and
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  Speaker 1: talk about your recent trip. Is that the direction we're going?
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  Speaker 3: No, I was going to tell you about what's going
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  Speaker 3: on at Indian Hill High School on October 22nd. when
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  Speaker 3: we are going to introduce the exciting side of history
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  Speaker 3: to a lot of local high school students and the community.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, well, it's 7.15 right now. We'll get the details
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  Speaker 1: on that, and then we'll let the listeners know why
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  Speaker 1: it is, I thought, you were going to be talking
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  Speaker 1: about socialism and communism, why you were going to go
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  Speaker 1: down the road of your recent trip.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Considering the European Union is coming unglued. More with Peter
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  Speaker 1: Bronson at 7.15. 7.25, you can find us here at
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  Speaker 1: CD Talk Station. Bronson with Peter Bronson. Everybody in Cincinnati
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  Speaker 1: loves Peter Bronson. If you read one of his books,
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  Speaker 1: you'll know why. And, of course, those who remember his
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  Speaker 1: days at the Enquirer, we still miss you, man.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, thank you very much.
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  Speaker 3: And I can testify that not everybody loved me.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you obviously survived a lot of challenges over the years.
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  Speaker 1: So we thought you did a good job as the
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  Speaker 1: editorial director over at the Enquirer. And, boy, sure couldn't
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  Speaker 1: they use you now, Peter Bronson. Anyway, you were talking
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  Speaker 1: about the Indian Hill event. Get some flesh on the
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  Speaker 1: bones of that, and then also we're going to pivot
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  Speaker 1: over to your trip to Paris and London, which is
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  Speaker 1: what I thought you were talking about.
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  Speaker 2: You bet.
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  Speaker 3: So this is part of the Indian Hill Historical Society's
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  Speaker 3: author series, and they do this every year. And as
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  Speaker 3: you know with my books, my intention has always been
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  Speaker 3: to focus on our local history and show people that
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  Speaker 3: history can be exciting.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It doesn't have to be textbooks of dates and places
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  Speaker 3: and treaties and so forth. So my books really go
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  Speaker 3: in that direction to try and make history accessible and
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  Speaker 3: exciting and fun to read, especially for young people. And
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  Speaker 3: this is a great event because the whole intention is
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  Speaker 3: that we're going to spend the whole day at Indian
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  Speaker 3: Hill High School and Cincinnati Country Day speaking to kids
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  Speaker 3: in high school about history and telling them some of
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  Speaker 3: these stories from my book called Promise Land.
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  Speaker 1: Promise Land. Outstanding book. Not a time in history that
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  Speaker 1: I would really enjoy being in this particular area, Peter.
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 1: The horrors of living in the greater Cincinnati area during
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  Speaker 1: the settler days cannot be understated.
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  Speaker 3: The 1780s, 1790s were a very perilous place for new
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  Speaker 3: settlers in Ohio, especially in the Miami slaughterhouse. That was
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  Speaker 3: the name that was given to it by the settlers
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  Speaker 3: because of the local Shawnee and Miami tribes were We're
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  Speaker 3: so brutal and so hostile to new settlement here. But
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  Speaker 3: so anyway, we're going to have an evening event on Thursday,
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  Speaker 3: October 22nd, as well as the daytime talks. And that's
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  Speaker 3: at 7 p.m. at Indian Hill High School. The door
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  Speaker 3: is open at 630.
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  Speaker 2: It is free.
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  Speaker 1: Great.
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  Speaker 2: Open to the public.
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  Speaker 3: We will talk about promised land and the exciting history
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  Speaker 3: of Cincinnati's early days and how that contributed to the
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  Speaker 3: expansion of our nation and was the key. to the
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  Speaker 3: development of our country going west.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. It's hard to think, you know, in these
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  Speaker 1: early times that this was like the edge of civilization here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And that you had to pretty much stay in these
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  Speaker 1: little forts that they built because lurking in the woods
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  Speaker 1: literally right outside the fort are a bunch of Indians
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  Speaker 1: who would love nothing more than to slaughter you.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Along with the British that would pay them.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the British were using them as their proxy army,
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  Speaker 3: not unlike what Iran does with Hamas. They're paying them with,
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  Speaker 3: they'll give them $ 100 for a live hostage and $ 50
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  Speaker 3: for every scalp they collect from these settlers. And so
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  Speaker 3: about 1,500 people were taken in a three-year period. Daughters, wives, children.
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  Speaker 3: If you were lucky, they would march you all the
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  Speaker 3: way from Cincinnati to Detroit where they would sell you
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  Speaker 3: to the British. You could be a slave for the British,
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  Speaker 3: which is what they used you for. You might never
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  Speaker 3: see your family again. Most people did not. If you're
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  Speaker 3: less lucky, they might kill you on the spot if
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  Speaker 3: you resisted, or they might take you back to their
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  Speaker 3: village and torture you for three or four days for
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  Speaker 3: the amusement of the entire tribe.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and torture is really a delicate or an easy
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  Speaker 1: way of describing what you actually had to experience. It is.
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  Speaker 4: Brutal.
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  Speaker 1: Merciless torture.
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  Speaker 2: Very creative.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: In inflicting unbelievable levels of pain for days.
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  Speaker 1: At a time. That is in The Promised Land, just
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  Speaker 1: part of The Promised Land, How the Midwest Was Won,
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  Speaker 1: Cincinnati History, Queen City of the West. It's right there.
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  Speaker 1: I'm looking at your Amazon link. Of course, you can
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  Speaker 1: get the books there. But again, ChiliDogPress.com. Get that book
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  Speaker 1: and Also, you know, I think my favorite is the
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  Speaker 1: Sin City book. Oh, yeah. Forbidden Fruit, Sin City's Underworld,
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  Speaker 1: and the Supper Club, the Inferno from the Beverly Hills
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  Speaker 1: Supper Club. That is fascinating. Real quick, since I brought
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  Speaker 1: it up, you can easily dispatch or dispense with the topic,
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  Speaker 1: but your trip to Paris and London, I just wanted
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  Speaker 1: to know. Because we're getting all kinds of reports out
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  Speaker 1: of notably Paris and France, generally speaking, about the riots.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the riots were going when we were there.
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  Speaker 1: That's what it's going to ask. Were they?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, they were. I didn't see much for the actual rioting.
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  Speaker 3: What I saw is a bunch of high school kids
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  Speaker 3: loitering around a high school where they had taken all
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  Speaker 3: the dumpsters they could find on the street and pushed
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  Speaker 3: them in front of the high school door like this
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  Speaker 3: was some kind of big barricade. And, you know, the
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  Speaker 3: irony of this is, again, goes back to literacy. People
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  Speaker 3: have forgotten. This is echoes of the French Revolution. The
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  Speaker 3: French Revolution is still destroying Europe. If you ask people
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  Speaker 3: over there, the guides we saw, I asked them this question.
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  Speaker 3: How come these cathedrals, these beautiful monuments to faith, are
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  Speaker 3: mostly empty today except for tourists? They're not used for
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  Speaker 3: worship anymore. And they said that began with the French Revolution.
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  Speaker 3: Religion was declared to be a superstition. Many churches were destroyed.
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  Speaker 3: Many of the relics and records in those churches were burned.
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  Speaker 3: And that's when Europe began, especially in France, to lose
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  Speaker 3: its faith.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And you see what a disaster that was, how people
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  Speaker 3: were terrified. It was a reign of terror, a reign
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  Speaker 3: of error politically for decades. And now people are turning
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  Speaker 3: back to that as if, you know, this is what
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  Speaker 3: we want, power to the people.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know, it was a real eye-opener when the
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  Speaker 1: Pope showed up and the hundreds of thousands— flooded the
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  Speaker 1: streets in support of him to see him. It's like,
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  Speaker 1: wait a second, you still have people who are people
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  Speaker 1: of faith there? Yes. I didn't think those folks exist anymore.
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  Speaker 1: I guess they just keep their mouths shut because they
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  Speaker 1: don't want to be ostracized, criticized, or otherwise lampooned.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, sort of like conservatives in this country.
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  Speaker 1: You got that right, Peter Bronson. And on that comedic note,
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  Speaker 1: let's take a quick break here at 726 F55K or
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  Speaker 1: CD Talk Station. More with Peter Bronson coming up. Zimmer,
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  Speaker 1: heating and air conditioning, that is the Trust Talk Station.
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  Speaker 1: 7.30 on a Friday, an extra special Friday with Peter
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  Speaker 1: Bronson in studio. Check out his whole lineup of books. Again,
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  Speaker 1: his publishing company is ChiliDogPress.com. You get the full Peter
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  Speaker 1: Bronson author lineup. Behind the Lines, The Untold Story of
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  Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Riots. Promised Land, How the Midwest Was Won,
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  Speaker 1: which we were just talking about. Magical History Tour, Murder, Mystery,
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  Speaker 1: and Buried History. That is a fun, fun read. That's
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  Speaker 1: your most recent book, isn't it?
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  Speaker 2: It is, yeah. A collection of short stories.
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: And that's the one that you explained about the old
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: medical college here in the city of Cincinnati?
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: Yes, the Body Snatchers.
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's a fun place to have been.
• 15:33
  Speaker 4: Yay!
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: Off to school, Mom!
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: They called them the Resurrection Men.
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: Oh, Lord Almighty. The stench of that place.
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: Oh, my gosh.
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: Oh, the horror, the body parts.
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: And then they would dig up the bodies, and they
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: weren't always fresh, but the first thing they'd do would
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: strip it. And then sell the clothes to unsuspecting people.
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: These are medical students and physicians that are teaching medical students.
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: And the body snatchers that they're paying. And these people
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: would buy the clothes and go, man, that smells bad.
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. And then, of course, the Forbidden Fruit book,
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: which I said, not in our town, I didn't mention,
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: not in our town, the Queen City versus the King
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: of Smut. The Hustler.
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: Larry Flint.
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: That was us, man.
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: That was us.
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: Cincinnati Art Museum and who was it that prosecuted him?
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: That was Siles. Siles, yes.
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: And Cincinnati was in the crosshairs nationally as being this
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: kind of backwater of prudes and Catholics and religious people
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: and uptight Midwesterners who just couldn't get with it to
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: understand how liberating pornography was.
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: So that's really what it was all about.
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: Well, the bar has been lowered so much since then.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, there is not a human being that sits
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: in a prosecutor's office that would ever consider prosecuting for
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: the Mapplethorpe photographs.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: Which, that just shows the de-evolution, doesn't it?
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: It does. Our standards have declined steeply.
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: But you know, you got to take your hat off,
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: I think, and tip it to the people who stood
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: up against that and said, this is not the direction
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: we want to go for our community, for our children.
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: We don't want this pornography.
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: We don't want these creeps that bring it to town
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: and the adult bookstores and all the other garbage that
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: comes with it.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: Of course. But now you can stream it 24-7 in
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: the comfort of your own home.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: It's all on your phone.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: Everywhere. You have billions and billions and billions and billions
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: of dollars in hits at those porn sites all the time. Sad.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: This is where we are.
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: I guess we can all call it that. Forbidden Fruit,
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: like I said, I think is my favorite. Sin City's
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: Underworld and the Supper Club Inferno. Everything that was going
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: on in northern Kentucky, Newport, generally speaking, Covington area, it
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: was a hotbed of depravity. It was. Speaking of springing
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: over from pornography to prostitution, one of the sins that
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: was going on over in northern Kentucky.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: They called it Little Mexico.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: Little Mexico. Murders.
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: Murders. They had a hitman who admitted killing more than
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: 100 people in Newport. So, yeah, there was a lot
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: of that going on.
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: It still amazes me that of all places in the world,
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: little northern Kentucky, Newport, Covington area, generally speaking, would be
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: basically the next biggest mob capital of the world outside of, what,
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: Chicago or New York?
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Chicago, New York. I mean, we had all those
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: mobs were here.
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: Chicago and New York mobsters came to Cincinnati because this
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: was kind of their Switzerland. It was run by the
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: Cleveland mob, but they were wise enough not to pick
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: fights with those guys if they wanted a piece of
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: the action.
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: So it was wilder than I ever imagined.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: Okay, and on that note, as we get ready to
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: go to another break, the writing process you were referring
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: to earlier, you coach new writers through it. What drew
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: you to writing this particular book? Was it the mob
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: activities connection with ultimately the Beverly Hills Supper Club burning down,
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: which you draw the lines directly from point A to
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: point B in the book Forbidden Fruit? Was it the
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: idea that we had gangsters and mobsters and gambling in
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: northern Kentucky? Did someone say something out loud? And you're like,
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: you know what? I need to investigate and write a
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: book on that. How did that work? How did you
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: come up with that particular book?
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: That's a great question.
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: Well, one of the things is when you come to
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: a newspaper, and I've been around the country to several,
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: when you come to a new newspaper in your career,
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: people are glad to fill you in on all the
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: local mythology, the big stories that happened.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: And so I heard about this mob empire in Newport
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: when I came to the Enquirer, and I kind of
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: always dismissed it as, you know, some punks who thought
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: they were mobbed up, but it didn't seem like a
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: Cincinnati thing. So then when I got to look into it,
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: especially when I started looking into the Beverly Hills Supper Club,
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: that's when I got really fascinated because what people thought
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: happened and what the record shows actually happened did not
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: match up. So I was eager to get in and
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: really dig into it.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: And the corruption that you reveal in the book, it's
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: heart-wrenching when you think about the destruction of the evidence
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: that occurred immediately after the fire, the fact that the
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: law enforcement was involved in the cover-up, the governor of
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: Kentucky was involved.
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: I mean, I got to admit, I was very skeptical
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: that a cover-up of that scale could could sustain itself.
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: But then when you look, you find out that, for example,
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: the whole commission that was set up by the governor,
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: all but one person were completely compromised and were arrested
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: later or their careers were destroyed with scandal. They were
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: caught with their, you know, close mob connections. It just
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: it is kind of a dismaying, but also a fascinating
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: and exciting story.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: No question about it. To the extent people think, well,
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: we've only gotten into this level of corruption in modern times.
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: No.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: I would suggest, and that's a great illustration of it,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: there was a lot more corruption as the further you
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: go back in history.
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: There wasn't real-time documents. You couldn't read what they were
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: legislating or arguing about real-time online. You couldn't trace their
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: activities with ring cameras and cell phone cameras and catch
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: them in awkward positions and document it real-time. None of
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: that existed. Right. Which- allows corruption to flourish behind the scenes.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: You know, another thing that we've talked about before, but
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: which was surprising to me, is that if you wanted
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: to learn anything about the mob activity in Newport, you
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: had to go to the Lexington or the Louisville papers
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: because Cincinnati papers wouldn't touch it.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: Why is that?
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: Because the who's who of Cincinnati was spending a lot
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: of time in the adult playground over there, going to
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: the illegal casinos, the brothels, everything else.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: And you just didn't step on those toes.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: No, you didn't. Get you in trouble doing that, wouldn't it? Yeah.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: Just a little bit. Sting around more with the Talk Station.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: It is 742 at 55 KRC Talk Station. Brian Thomas
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: with Peter Bronson in studio. Jet, get his books. Again,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: I keep reminding folks, great Christmas presents. You know, it's
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: not an expensive endeavor. Go to ChiliDogPress.com. Get one of them.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: All of them will be great reads, I assure you.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: And over the break, I was asking Peter what his
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: favorite book was of all the many books he's written. Again,
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: all historic, all related to the greater Cincinnati area in
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: some way, shape, or form. And it didn't shock me,
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: the book that you came up with, Peter, which is?
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: The Man Who Saved Cincinnati.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: The Man Who Saved Cincinnati. Yeah, I love that one.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: And that is amazing. Roughly, where were we in the
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: period of time? Remind my listeners who that man was
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: because there's that sub-story in there that is really an
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: amazing thing.
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: The youngest general in the Union Army during the Civil
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: War at that time in 1862. He was called the
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: scapegoat of Shiloh because Grant unfairly blamed him for Grant's
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: mistakes at Shiloh. And then he became the savior of
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: Cincinnati when Cincinnati was attacked by 10,000 Confederates, an army
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: that came up from Lexington to burn and loot and
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: steal everything and hold the city for ransom. If the
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: Confederates had been able to take Cincinnati, that would have
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: been the only northern city taken by the South during
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: the Civil War. And it would have completely changed our history.
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: We would have divided the Union Army into two halves.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: They would have taken control of the Ohio River. And
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: Abraham Lincoln could never get reelected, having lost the sixth
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: biggest city in the country.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: Oh, astute observation there, Peter. Didn't really ever give that
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: a whole lot of thought.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: But the man who came to save Cincinnati arrived at
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: midnight while the mayor of Cincinnati was ready to wave
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: the white flag and surrender to the south. And he said,
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: put that flag away. We're going to fight. And they said, well,
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: we don't have cannons. We don't have soldiers. They had
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: sent them all south to a big battle they were expecting.
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: And he said, Cincinnati will defend itself. So he issued
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: a martial law proclamation that every able-bodied man must show
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: up the next morning with a shovel or a musket.
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: And they all marched him across a bridge that was
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: built in three days across the Ohio River. That was
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: the first one. And they took him into the hills
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: of northern Kentucky where they built this network of defenses.
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: And Lew Wallace saved Cincinnati.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: How about that? And the really cool story out of that,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: and I'd never heard of it before, that you wrote
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: about and I read about in the book, is the
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: Black Brigade.
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: Yes, that's a fantastic story. So the mayor of Cincinnati
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: was a copperhead, meaning he sympathized with the South. And
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: he took advantage of this turmoil to send his police
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: out with bayonets to round up all the free black
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: men in Cincinnati. This was free on this side of
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: the river, but the Kentucky side of the river was
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: a slave state. He rounded him up and marched him
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: across the bridge into a slave state, meaning they were
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: now vulnerable to being seized as slaves again.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: And some were.
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: And when Lew Wallace heard about this, he blew his
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: stack and he sent one of his top officers across
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: the river to round him up, brought him back. And
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: they told him in a big gathering, they said, listen,
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: we're very sorry what happened. We're not going to let
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: this happen again. But we really could use your help
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: to defend the city. Well, they expected nothing after being
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: treated that way and herded like animals with bayonets. So
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: 300 went home that night. The next morning, 700 returned.
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: It always gives me chills when I think about that.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: And that's because- And this is before the internet when
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: you could get word out to everybody. I guess they
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: got word out quickly.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: I love that.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: You can just imagine how people are going house to house.
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: They were saying, we have a chance to fight under
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: our own flag to free our brothers and sisters in slavery.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: And they showed up, 700 showed up, and they were
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: put out on the spear tip of our defense.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: That's amazing. Kind of like sort of Paul Revere-esque. Yeah.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: The Confederates are coming. The Confederates are coming. Grab your arms.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: We're going to go and kick some serious ass.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: And these men, as part of this project, I put
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: the roster together. of their, the unit, the black brigade
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: is on my website. If you go to chili dog,
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: press.com and noodle around there, you'll find it. And it
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: lists the names of all these men who served in that.
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: And some went on to serve in the brigade that
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: was featured in the movie glory.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: Um, and because they weren't eligible to serve in the
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: army and in Ohio, but Massachusetts was allowing black soldiers.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: So some of them did that.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: And, uh, They had great glory and service in the
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: Civil War, and it's just one of the great stories
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: that Cincinnati has forgotten, which should make us very proud
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: of this city.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, and I think every time you have been in
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: the studio since you wrote that book, I brought that
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: up for that very reason. It's new. It was new
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: information for me, and it shouldn't have been. Don't go away.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: More with Peter Brown. Talk Station. 751 at 55KRCD Talk Station.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: Before we return our Now, last segment with Peter Bronson.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: Let us do what we always do at this time
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: of week. Tiffany Green, Officer Green from the Cincinnati Police
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: Department Crime Stoppers Unit with the Crime Stopper Bad Guy
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: of the Week. Welcome back, Officer Green. God bless you
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: and all law enforcement officers. Who are we looking for today?
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: Thank you, Brian, and good morning. The Cincinnati Police District
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: 4 is looking for Joshua Malik Payne.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: Mr.
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: Payne is wanted for aggravated burglary and misdemeanor domestic violence.
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: Police say on September 7th of 2026, Mr. Payne forced
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: entry into the victim's residence and physically assaulted the victim.
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: Joshua Malik Payne is a black male. He's 25 years old.
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: He's 6 foot and 160 pounds. Joshua Malik Payne has
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: no known arrest history and was last known to live
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: on Handel Lane in Green Hills. If anyone has information
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: on where police can find Joshua Malik Payne, please call
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: Crime Stoppers at 513-352-3040 or submit a tip online at crime-stoppers.us.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: You will remain anonymous. You'll be eligible for a cash
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: reward if your tip leaves to an arrest. And, of course,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: you'll be doing the greater Cincinnati area a real service.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: I don't like guys that engage in domestic violence. Officer Green,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: thank you so much. His photograph, his mugshot, rather, is
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: on the 55KRC. iHeart website. dot-com webpage so my listeners can
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: take a look at them and drop the dime if
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: they have something that will lead to an arrest. Thank you,
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: Officer Green. God bless you. Have a great weekend. Back
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: to Peter Bronson. Peter Bronson. Yes, sir. I had asked
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: you earlier before we went on air if you currently
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: are writing a book, not releasing one this year.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: No, I'm not.
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: What I'm doing instead for Christmas promotions or sales is
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: I'm doing a box set of five books. This is
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: all from Forbidden Fruit through Not in Our Town, The
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: Man Who Saved Cincinnati, Promised Land, and then the latest one,
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: Magical History Tour. The five books come in a really
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: nice little box, and they're five books for the price
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: of four, plus shipping. So that'd be about $ 80 for
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: five books and all Cincinnati history.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: Fantastic. I understand that when you do book signings, they
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: sell like hotcakes.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: They do.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: I can't get enough of them there. They just disappear
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: right away. So I'm very optimistic that this is the
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: kind of thing people will like, especially for friends and
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: family who love Cincinnati and don't know some of these
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: great stories about our history.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: No doubt about it. And some really good stories. Hey,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: the Magical History Tour, that one's the one where you
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: have a discussion of the Fen-Fen litigation.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: Oh, and I thanked you specifically for that because, you know,
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: you can say anything you want about Stan Chesley. I
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: can't find a single positive thing to say about him.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: He was a philanthropist. He did some nice things for
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: the city.
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: With ill-gotten gains, maybe, toward the end of his life there?
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: I'd say so, Brian.
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: But just read the story, Feeding Frenzy and uh magical
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: history tour it's pretty amazing.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: You're going to love all of the books Peter writes,
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: and that's why it's a great thing to get the
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: box set. You're going to have the box set on
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: your website soon.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: Yes, I'm hoping to get that up in the next week.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: Well, now you have incentive to do so because people
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: are going to want it. Yeah, thank you for that.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: It's chili.press.com. Joe Strecker is going to put a link
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: on the blog page, 55kc. iheart. com. So this conversation, the links
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: to his website, and your ability to get the book,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: which I, trust me, whoever you give it to is
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: going to be just really appreciative of it. So do that.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: Peter Brunson, you're always welcome in this studio.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Brian.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: I'm taking you up on your lunch. We're going to
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: have lunch together real soon.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: Good morning to my mom, who I know is listening
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: in this final parting thought. She really enjoyed your speech
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: over on the west side. Thank you very much. She
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: was there in attendance, and I think she maybe even
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: stopped in and said hello to you. Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: Very nice. Appreciate you doing that.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: Nice lady.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: And one more time, the Indian Hill?
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: Indian Hill Historical Society on Thursday, October 22nd. Doors open
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: at 630. The program begins at 7, and it is
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: free to the public.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: Show up. Be there. Peter Bronson will do this again soon,
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: I hope. Folks, don't go away. Janice Heisel, she's from
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: the Epoch Times. She wrote an article about these.