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Mac & Bone Show - John Ellis Interview · Mac & Bone Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Right now, we're going to go to the guest line
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  Speaker 1: and bring in our longtime friend of the show and
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  Speaker 1: had their media member, John Allis. He's on social media
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  Speaker 1: everywhere you can find socials at one Panther Place, John,
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  Speaker 1: it's been a while. What's up, man? How are you?
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  Speaker 2: What's going on? Guys? Good to talk some Panther football
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  Speaker 2: and you can feel it's in the air because we're
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  Speaker 2: all melting right now. It's only a few weeks away.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels like we're in Spartanburg and thank god
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  Speaker 1: we're not anymore. No offense to that area. I know
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  Speaker 1: it's near near your heart, but yeah, you know I
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  Speaker 1: almost You saw me almost die there multiple times.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, you always had the character kit as well. You
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  Speaker 2: were ready, You had all sorts of flavors of pringles
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  Speaker 2: ready to go on.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, you were ready.
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  Speaker 2: Awesome John.
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  Speaker 1: When you look at this team from an area of
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  Speaker 1: strength and an area of weakness, what do you like
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  Speaker 1: most about this team or what group and what kind
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  Speaker 1: of concerned you about this group?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think you go into this particular season, they
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  Speaker 2: have done a great job of building the defense from
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  Speaker 2: the inside out, and you look at what you've got
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  Speaker 2: on the defensive line, Jalan Phillips on the edge, rushing
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  Speaker 2: the faster dead in the edge in the run game,
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  Speaker 2: I think this becomes a bit of a strength. Now. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: Devin Woyd, and you can't say enough of what he's
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  Speaker 2: done in his time in Jacksonville only escape not only
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  Speaker 2: in the run game, but man, he flies downhill as
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  Speaker 2: a blitzer, So you've got an extra piece there that
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  Speaker 2: can get after the quarterback. You know, position to strength.
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  Speaker 2: It's hard to say receiver, but boy, when you had
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  Speaker 2: the Miller last year and he has the year he does,
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  Speaker 2: and then Cooker comes on and has a good, healthy
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  Speaker 2: run like he does, you consider that to be that
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  Speaker 2: position of strength. Now for a quarterback like Bryce Young
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  Speaker 2: that needs it. A weakness, I don't know if it's weakness,
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  Speaker 2: but they don't have that true playmaging tight end that
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  Speaker 2: that you would think of yet. You know, Kim Yansadek
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  Speaker 2: was in that fold for the draft pick there that
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  Speaker 2: they had, and they went another direction with Monroe Freeling
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  Speaker 2: and that gives them insurance for the future and maybe
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  Speaker 2: a stud for the next ten years. But who merges
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  Speaker 2: from this tid end room is at Mitchell Elevn so
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  Speaker 2: this tremble continue to emerge, and then you've got to
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  Speaker 2: tv on Sanders. If he can stay healthy, I still
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  Speaker 2: think he can be a really solid side end year.
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  Speaker 1: Four coming up for Bryce? What what do you consider
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  Speaker 1: what would you consider a successful year coming up for Bryce?
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  Speaker 1: What does he have to do or accomplish for you
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  Speaker 1: to say, you know what, that was a hell of
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  Speaker 1: a year for Bryce?
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  Speaker 2: Y'all. Oh, this is a great question. It seems like
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  Speaker 2: I think when we asked him this time last year,
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  Speaker 2: I think we always visited this question because we're always
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  Speaker 2: wondering what is he going to take that next step?
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  Speaker 2: Where where are we with Bryce Young? So I was
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  Speaker 2: thinking about this the other day and I'm looking back
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  Speaker 2: at his numbers, I'm looking back at his tape. It's
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  Speaker 2: not just starting faster early in games, it's starting faster
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  Speaker 2: earlier in the season. We want to see Bryce take
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  Speaker 2: control of the game in the first quarter, make sure
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  Speaker 2: that he's managing the game as well in that situation
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  Speaker 2: as he does in those late game drives that he
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  Speaker 2: has led the league in over the past couple of years.
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  Speaker 2: In terms of game winning drives. We want to see
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  Speaker 2: I think if you're a Panthers fan, if you're covering
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  Speaker 2: this team because you truly like this quarterback, Let's see
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  Speaker 2: a better September. Let's see it better October, because there
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  Speaker 2: have been some moments in those months where it has
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  Speaker 2: not been great, particularly in the first half of games.
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  Speaker 1: We're talking to John Ellis at One Panther Place on Twitter,
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  Speaker 1: the number one Panther place I must follow for current
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  Speaker 1: Panther content, historical content. John is the go to guy
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  Speaker 1: there for all of that. On this show. We have
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  Speaker 1: really high defensive expectations, especially considering where they were two
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  Speaker 1: years ago. We've even thought can they be a top
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  Speaker 1: ten defense? How high are your expectations, John, for this defense,
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  Speaker 1: both the guys we have already and the players we
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  Speaker 1: add that you mentioned already guy with Devin Lloyd.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, my expectations are high. Look at you. In terms
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  Speaker 2: of rankings and projections, I would say there's no reason
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  Speaker 2: they can't be a top ten unit in scoring and
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  Speaker 2: EPA and points allowed and in yardage, all of it
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  Speaker 2: because you look at where they've come from from the
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  Speaker 2: Matt Rule era. Yes, I said the name Matt Rules. Sorry,
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  Speaker 2: it's a tradition unlike any other. They have revamped everything
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  Speaker 2: from like I said, the inside out. Derek Brown continues
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  Speaker 2: to stay healthy. He's one of the best at his position.
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  Speaker 2: You add this depth piece like Lee Hunter in the draft,
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  Speaker 2: who can be amazing teamed up beside a Brown, and
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  Speaker 2: then you have Jalen Phillips. Den Lloyd is everything here,
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  Speaker 2: don't I'm going you You bring in a guy like Lloyd.
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  Speaker 2: We have had this tradition around here of elite inside
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  Speaker 2: linebacker play from Mills handing the torch to a guy
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  Speaker 2: like Dan Morgan who has the tors to a John Beeson,
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  Speaker 2: Luke Keithley. The list goes on and on, and there
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  Speaker 2: was bit of a gap there an elite inside linebacker play.
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  Speaker 2: Lloyd fills that Voyd and then you've got the corner room,
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  Speaker 2: and you gotta love what you see from j. C.
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  Speaker 2: Horn Mike Jackson out of nowhere becomes one of the
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  Speaker 2: best in the league at that position. Who takes over
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  Speaker 2: at nickel corner? Is it a guy like Will Lee?
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  Speaker 2: Is it Corey Thorton? We'll see. And then you've got
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  Speaker 2: a couple veterans at safety and Scott Merrig. Look, it's
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  Speaker 2: much better than they were a couple of years ago.
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  Speaker 2: When they were giving up two hundred crushing yards a
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  Speaker 2: game every time you turned around. I think it's a
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  Speaker 2: top ten unit if they're healthy.
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  Speaker 1: We've talked a lot about Scorton as an X factor
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  Speaker 1: on defense. Ben Solak at him as a breakout player
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  Speaker 1: the other day, and it feels like there's so much
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  Speaker 1: scoring talk now it's not even the under the radar thing.
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  Speaker 1: But are you Are you thinking the same that that
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  Speaker 1: Scorton can home when we look at pad their defenses
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  Speaker 1: of the past, that he can almost fit into that
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  Speaker 1: that Mike Rucker kind of role here on this team.
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  Speaker 2: I was right as you were talking about him. I
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  Speaker 2: was thinking about ruck Ruck was that guy?
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  Speaker 1: Because I think we Hunter might be the Bretson Butner
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  Speaker 1: of the operation. So I'm trying to think of who
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  Speaker 1: might be the Rucker and that might be a S. Gordon.
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  Speaker 2: Who's the Shane Burton?
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  Speaker 1: I think not. I think we've now gone a step
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  Speaker 1: too far here. But anyway, back to back to.
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  Speaker 2: Gorton there, you know, I think you're right now. He
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  Speaker 2: plays the run so well, he can get after in
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  Speaker 2: the passing game. It was a really unheralded rookie year
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  Speaker 2: when you look at the numbers deeper. With what he
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  Speaker 2: was able to do, I would say princely human Miellen. Look,
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  Speaker 2: he had some really good moments as well. If you
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  Speaker 2: look at some of the tape on him, he was
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  Speaker 2: flying around making plays. He didn't get a ton of
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  Speaker 2: reps relative to Gordon, but if he gets a chance
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  Speaker 2: to be and again I bring up Al Wallace as
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  Speaker 2: another name sort of that fifth man on the defensive line,
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  Speaker 2: he can be an impact guy that we're talking about
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  Speaker 2: this time next year, much like we're talking about s
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  Speaker 2: Gordon right now. I really like number three out there
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  Speaker 2: on the defense. But yeah, Gordon opposite Phillips and then
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  Speaker 2: rotation Tom. You know what it's all about, man with
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  Speaker 2: Dan Morgan, it's about building one line that's like eight
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  Speaker 2: deep guys that can come in and out and you
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  Speaker 2: keeping them fresh. Philly did that for a long time.
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  Speaker 2: They still do. And that's the minds that I would
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  Speaker 2: believe for the Panthers right now.
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  Speaker 1: While it's always been defense that that runs the operation
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  Speaker 1: in the best Panther years, it's also a running game
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  Speaker 1: that has been a big part of success here with
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  Speaker 1: this organization. Johnathan Brooks, if Scordon's the X factor on
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  Speaker 1: defense has to be Brooks on offense. Are you are
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  Speaker 1: you thinking that he can hit the ground running? Is
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  Speaker 1: it gonna be wild?
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  Speaker 2: What are you?
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  Speaker 1: What are you thinking?
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  Speaker 2: Early on?
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna see from Brooks here. We all can't wait
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  Speaker 1: to see them. But what do you think it early on?
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  Speaker 1: The expectations are.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I think we're cautious. I think all
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  Speaker 2: of us are a little bit cautious. You know, the
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  Speaker 2: injury history, and he had a flash of success a
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  Speaker 2: couple of years ago, and then once again, unfortunately, the
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  Speaker 2: young man goes down. And I think the initial vision
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  Speaker 2: we saw here at Ota and we all looked at
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  Speaker 2: it was wow, Okay, there's a pop, there's a burst
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  Speaker 2: to his game. There was a lot of conversation about
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  Speaker 2: letting rico'doubell go, and I think at this point you
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  Speaker 2: had to from cap considerations. You drafted this kid, the
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  Speaker 2: first back taken in that draft, to be ultimately a starter.
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  Speaker 2: One day, so he and Hubbard together again, his health
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  Speaker 2: cooperates for Brooks again. I go back to the history,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, we get I'm sure fans get tired
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  Speaker 2: of us talking about it. It reminds me a little
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  Speaker 2: bit of Sean Foster, a guy that we were getting
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  Speaker 2: really excited about seeing. There were some flashes, he gets hurt,
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  Speaker 2: then he comes back and boy, he had some magical
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  Speaker 2: moments for this team. I think Brooks has that in
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  Speaker 2: him in terms of his game, his style of play,
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  Speaker 2: receiving out of the backfield, and his suddenness when he's
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  Speaker 2: in the open field. That it compliments too. B Hubbards
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  Speaker 2: so well. I can't wait to watch him at Campbell.
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  Speaker 1: Are you still thinking when it comes to x L
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  Speaker 1: that there's something there or are you kind of thinking
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  Speaker 1: that that might be Brazl's job now could be in
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  Speaker 1: jeopardy here.
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  Speaker 2: Man, I want to believe it. I think you know
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  Speaker 2: as well as I do. And everybody's kind of catched
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  Speaker 2: out of the bag. It's not that he's in necessarily
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  Speaker 2: a doghouse, but man, when you're a first round pick,
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  Speaker 2: it's got to start coming together. And there are moments
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  Speaker 2: in his game where you're rooting for him. You want
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  Speaker 2: the guy to be what you know he can be,
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  Speaker 2: but you know you'll step out of bounce on the
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  Speaker 2: bounder running a route before you even catch the ball.
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  Speaker 2: There are moments where in the middle of the field
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  Speaker 2: it just doesn't look like a guy at six two
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  Speaker 2: six three two twenty in control of his frame, and
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  Speaker 2: then the hands are just oftentimes betraying him. There's just
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  Speaker 2: so much talent there and you try to find ways.
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  Speaker 2: I think, if you're Dave Canalis, to get the ball
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  Speaker 2: in his hands quickly and let him make plays. But man,
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  Speaker 2: we're getting into year three. It's got to start coming together.
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  Speaker 2: And you got Chris Brazil, who seems to be a guy,
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  Speaker 2: you know, looking at take a strider at six 's
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  Speaker 2: five that doesn't have much of a problem catching the football.
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  Speaker 2: That's one thing Dave Canalis said, you know guys that
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  Speaker 2: can catch the football. The what he does at the
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  Speaker 2: high point, it's a real asset. So that's a great
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  Speaker 2: battle at camp. I think who's going to be the
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  Speaker 2: number three? And of course you got Cocher and Mac
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  Speaker 2: out there at the outside spots. Man, it's it's a
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  Speaker 2: good group and you hope that it gets to get
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  Speaker 2: to a point where the competition gets his game do
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  Speaker 2: where it needs to be. But it's it's a tough
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  Speaker 2: RoadHead form.
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  Speaker 1: I think, John, you're doing a podcast now with Eric
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  Speaker 1: White right the Ben Watching Film podcast. It's a couple
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  Speaker 1: of nerds watching football. That's how you describe. But where
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  Speaker 1: can we find that?
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  Speaker 2: It is?
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  Speaker 1: It just simply at I'm gonna give it a follow
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  Speaker 1: right now on Twitter. There we go at Ben watching film, right,
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  Speaker 1: pretty simple, Yeah, Ben.
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  Speaker 2: Watching film and watching just what's within at the end
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  Speaker 2: not achieve Okay, we're trying to be hip. And then look,
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  Speaker 2: I will say this, Billy Marshall and I with the
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  Speaker 2: Roar podcast. We're coming back. So I can't give you
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  Speaker 2: an official date yet, but sometime in the months of
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  Speaker 2: July you will hear a little episode from Billy and
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  Speaker 2: I on The Roar and then we'll be back into
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  Speaker 2: rotation with Blue Wire throughout the season. So excited. It
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  Speaker 2: took a little breather here during the summer months, but yeah,
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  Speaker 2: with E White and myself have been watching some podcasts
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  Speaker 2: all about panthers every single week. They drop actually today,
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  Speaker 2: so be looking out for that. And then Billy and
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  Speaker 2: I with the Old Roar. We've been doing that since
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty, so Billy and I had a few battle
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  Speaker 2: scars from that year. We've been through it.
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  Speaker 1: All, do we all do? We thought it was we
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  Speaker 1: had our own pandemic as they was Matt Ruhl. So
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  Speaker 1: we all, we all came through the battles. Amen, we
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  Speaker 1: appreciate it. We'll talk to you here at some point.
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  Speaker 1: That aur in camp, and thank you so much.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see as soon a moment. I'm in