Latest / The Internal Move Podcast with Fexingo: Lateral Roles, Internal Transfers, and Staying at Your Company / How an Internal Transfer Can Help You Navigate Office Politics
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- Lucas: Let me start with a story. A marketing manager at a Fortune 500 consumer goods company — let's call her Priya — was three years into her role, good reviews, strong relationships with her immediate team. But the department head was a classic territorial player — hoarded information, took credit for her team's work, and had a habit of throwing people under the bus in leadership meetings. Luna: I think everyone listening has either worked for or around that person at some point. It's exhausting. Lucas: Exactly. And Priya's instinct was to do what a lot of people do — start quietly applying to competitors. But instead, she worked with a mentor and identified a lateral transfer to a different division within the same company. That move — an internal transfer — became her escape hatch from the political dysfunction without having to start from zero at a new company. Luna: And I love that she framed it as a growth opportunity, not an escape. That's key. You don't want to be seen as someone who runs from conflict. Lucas: Right. So today we're going to talk about how an internal transfer can be a strategic tool for navigating office politics. Not just surviving them, but actually using the transfer to reset your political standing. Priya's case is a great lens. Luna: Walk us through what she actually did. Because the idea is clear, but execution is everything. Lucas: First, she mapped the political landscape. She identified which leaders had influence beyond their titles, which projects were seen as high-visibility, and crucially, which departments had a reputation for collaboration over competition. She spent about two months having coffee chats — nothing formal, just informational interviews. Luna: That's the 'three-person validation' we've talked about before — before you even consider a move, talk to at least three people in the target group. Lucas: Exactly. She learned that the supply chain analytics team had a director who was known for promoting from within and had a flat hierarchy. That team was also working on a project the CEO had publicly called a 'strategic priority.' That's the kind of detail you only get from internal conversations. Luna: And when she approached her current boss about the transfer, she didn't mention the political issues — she said she wanted to develop cross-functional skills and contribute to a high-impact initiative. Completely positive framing. Lucas: Which is critical. If she'd said, 'I'm leaving because you're toxic,' she would have burned a bridge and potentially triggered a veto from her boss. Most companies have a policy that your current manager has to sign off on an internal transfer. So you have to manage that conversation carefully. Luna: What are some other rules of thumb when you're trying to use a transfer to navigate politics? I'm thinking of the unwritten rules — like never badmouth, always leave your successor set up for success. Lucas: Those are both huge. Let me add one more: don't just look for a team — look for a sponsor. Priya's new director became a sponsor within six months, advocating for her in leadership meetings. That's more valuable than any title bump. Luna: And timing matters too. If you move right after a political blowup, it looks like you're fleeing. Priya waited until she had a solid project win under her belt — that gave her leverage and a story. Lucas: That's a great point. She also documented her accomplishments before starting the search — not just for her resume, but to have a clear narrative about what she'd delivered. That made it easy for the new team to see her as an asset, not a refugee. Luna: One thing that's often overlooked is the political capital you build by being generous during the transition. Priya could have checked out in her last few weeks, but instead she created a detailed handoff document and trained her replacement. That made her former boss look good to his superiors, which reduced any resentment. Lucas: And it also meant that when anyone from that old team later got asked about her, they'd say positive things. That's long-term reputation management. Six months after the move, her old department head was actually promoted — and he became an internal reference for her on a later project. Luna: So the transfer didn't just remove her from a bad situation — it actually improved her overall political standing in the company. She went from being under a credit-hoarding boss to being seen as someone who could navigate complexity. Lucas: That's the ideal outcome. And it's more common than people think when the move is done strategically. A 2023 study from the corporate research firm Gartner found that employees who made an internal transfer to escape a dysfunctional team were 40 percent more likely to be promoted within two years compared to those who stayed and tried to 'fix' the situation. Luna: Forty percent — that's huge. Because staying and fighting the political battle is often a losing game. The system is usually designed to preserve the status quo. Lucas: Right. And there's another angle — sometimes the best political move is to move to a completely different function. Priya went from marketing to supply chain analytics. That pivot meant she wasn't competing with anyone in her old silo, and she brought a fresh perspective that the new team valued. Luna: That also made her less of a threat to anyone in the new department. She wasn't angling for their jobs — she was learning from them. Lucas: Exactly. So if you're in a politically toxic environment and you've tried the usual advice — building alliances, documenting your work, staying above the fray — and it's still draining you, an internal transfer might be the smartest career move you can make. But you have to do it with eyes wide open. Luna: And before we wrap, I want to touch on something that's close to both of us. A lot of the insights we share on this show come from real conversations with listeners and from the research we do to bring you these episodes. And honestly, that takes time and resources. Lucas: Yeah, and we keep the show completely free — no ads, no paywall. That's a choice. But it's only possible because of listeners who chip in a small amount. It's like, a couple of dollars a month genuinely makes a difference. buy me a coffee dot com slash fexingo. Luna: And we mean that — if you've gotten something out of episodes like this one, or the one on rebranding after a mistake, or building a cross-functional network, that support is what keeps the show going. Lucas: So back to the political piece — one final caution. Not every toxic situation can be solved by a transfer. If the culture company-wide is broken, an internal move is just a band-aid. But if it's a specific manager or team dynamic, a strategic lateral move can be a career-saving play. Luna: And as Priya's story shows, it's not about running away — it's about running toward something better, with a clear plan and a positive narrative. Lucas: Next episode, we'll talk about how to vet a potential new team during the internal interview process — what questions to ask that reveal the real culture. That's for next time.